Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Spoiler Corner

Doug and Rob dive into the details of the last of the new Star Wars trilogy. Get ready for SPOILERS on this review of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker.
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[@benjaminolson7206]

Rey's parents were nobody... from a certain point of view.

[@Whimsy3692]

"dey chose to BE nobodies... to PROTECT YUUOUOU!1!" -Kylo Ren, 2019

[@MungkaeX]

My take on it from when that was first announced; it wouldn’t have mattered if her parents were Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade. From Kylo Ren’s perspective everyone in the universe is a nobody.

[@rev1595]

They sold her to save her? That's like Obi-Wan selling Luke to his uncle. That's dumb.

[@YoBoyGio]

Robot chicken Star Wars was a better ending ...from a certain point of view Lol

[@Bothandle70]

@Gharian Price it's obi wan's defense to luke when he asks him why he lied.

[@sammyescagne]

Palpatine Banged?: A Star Wars Story coming to Disney plus this Valentines Day

[@Mickey784cr]

I'd watch that.

[@ronpetersen2317]

"Tale as old as time, True as it can be, Beauty and the beast"

[@RagamuffinBabyDoll]

Ron Petersen Is Palpatine the Beauty? 😂

[@theMyouknow]

Star wars xxx the rise of palpatine

[@RagamuffinBabyDoll]

Mats F. 😂 I was gonna say great double entendre but I think you actually made a TRIPLE entendre!

[@zotharr]

When Chewie "died" I was like "Finally, somethings happening" Then 2 mins later they brought him back This movie didnt had any weight C3PO - memory lost - no, its back

[@co81385]

This true! I just watched the movie tonight, and, even though I liked it, there was time spent on drama with Chewie and C3PO that kind of amounted to nothing.

[@gatekeepingwarlock9604]

"B-But no! We've got all these Star Destroyers see?? Thousands of 'em! And all of them got deathstars on 'em! Stakes have never been higher! I'm cool!"

[@Sayrden]

The more I think about the Sith wayfinder, the worse it gets. C-3PO says he knows where the wayfinder is after reading the dagger - can't he just fly them there himself?

[@matthewheywood8532]

This movie proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that this trilogy wasn’t planned out at all

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

Matthew Heywood if a movie isn’t well planned out, it should at least be well hidden, like Iron Man

[@matthewheywood8532]

K Ren 8 left them with no where to go though. I agree it’s much better than rise of skywalker but it’s a horrible second movie it set up nothing and built off of nothing . It be a great stand alone or final movie but when you gloss over or say it’s unimportant everything the first one did you leave nothing for a third to do.

[@cinematastic1814]

Matthew Heywood Well not exactly. JJ apparently had a plan in place, but it was thrown away when Last Jedi was filming Johnson scrapped JJ’s script because of reactions to The Force Awakens.

[@matthewheywood8532]

Jfighter 11 the reaction to the force awakens was nothing but positive what are you talking about ? The negative reactions started after the last Jedi

[@cinematastic1814]

Matthew Heywood Well not exactly. Yes at first the reactions were extremely positive and for good reason. I still think Force Awakens was a great film. A few months later though right around the time it came out on DVD was when people started throwing around the invalid and nit picky criticisms of Force Awakens. That’s exactly why Last Jedi was so different and why Rise of Skywalker was so focused on pandering to everyone. While Force Awakens has mostly positive reactions a small yet vocal portion of the fan base eventually started talking about it being a rip off of A New Hope. Because of this Last Jedi was very focused on being different. Reactions to that was split right down the middle causing them to pander to everybody they possibly could in Skywalker.

[@anthonyramirez5391]

Chuck E. Cheese Palpatine Animatronic: UNLIMITED TOPPINGS!!!!!!

[@Dragonage2ftw]

Huh?

[@HoboJoe83]

Order 66...for EXTRA Pepperoni!

[@alanbernhardt6167]

Mediocre Media thank both of you for making me feel not that bad with a fever of 102

[@thechampion2430]

Have fun. Do it!

[@MarisuSedai]

Palpatine’s signature pizza should include pineapple, anchovies, mayonnaise, and many other toppings some would consider... unnatural.

[@starcader9997]

The problem with this sequel trilogy is that they were clearly making it up as they went. They should have had a plan for the sequel trilogy''s story from the beginning, like how JK Rowling wrote the Harry Potter books knowing the whole story from the beginning.

[@GoryRory]

A simple case of too many cooks in the cinematic kitchen, too, I feel.

[@captstab8467]

I agree the plot could've used a bit more polishing before they filmed it and a lot of cuts/alterations were needed to make the story more coherent. I see what they were going for though trying to make it more original not to fit into a boring mold as the previous films. Execution wise this worked for a couple of scenes, but they failed at some points to explain so of the major holes in the plot. Namely the return of Palpatine, Who Rey's parents were, The whole connection that allowed Ben and Rey to transfer objects and fight each other through the force?! , How they managed to build that many ships in secret without anyone noticing ?!, Why Kylo Ren repaired his mask?!, Who trained the Sith troopers?!

[@ForceMaximus84]

And they ditched the one guy who had a plan because it wasn’t what they wanted and/or what they thought the fans wanted. Unless they intend to give us Lucas’ VII-IX at some point in the near future, Star Wars needs to die.

[@maxstone3779]

This takes place a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. So Palpatine might have come back as Voldemort.

[@michaelplowman8674]

The first thing she did was rip off the OT. I could tell you all the parallels, but just think about them. And even then Harry being an accidental horcrux is complete shite.

[@cattythecat9722]

Remember when Phasma existed? Seems like a memory, idk...

[@KingRandor82]

remember when it felt like the sequel trilogy was at least *trying* to be a continuation with parallels, as opposed to just rehashing shit we've already seen in every previous installment?

[@ninjagirl226]

Yeah she's the one character who died and actually stayed dead after the second time. In all honesty, with she's actually pretty interesting character when you consider the book.

[@ronpetersen2317]

She was completely mis used also. A big bad that caves and shuts down things down and betray her commrads?

[@racool911]

KingRandor82 Really only The Force Awakens had that specific problem

[@rokia360]

She's the Boba Fett

[@abandonedtube]

Leia- "That walking carpet gets a medal over my dead body!"

[@PTMWontDie2]

Sibling Rivalry, Disneycember AND a clipless Nostalgia Critic review on Rise of Skywalker, I’m predicting Doug’s going for the whole enchilada.

[@godofevil9468]

"I've got a bad feeling about this."

[@Dragonage2ftw]

Is it?

[@Dfturcott]

Also. Surprised no come upence for Benicio del toros chsrscter.

[@godofevil9468]

@@Dfturcott DJ DIDN'T EXIST! I'm waiting for the Collector and the Grand-master to appear in Guardians Vol 3

[@mystery8820]

I hate it when someone addresses the character played by an actor but doesn’t address the character by name. Are they (the characters) that forgettable?

[@Lexyvil]

They likely took ideas from fan theories because it had no direction from the beginning.

[@dnm3732]

omg your right 100%

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

Because that what exactly what they did XD

[@theconservatardedshitlib2697]

You know, I didn't even think about that but that you mention it it makes complete sense.

[@dnm3732]

@@theconservatardedshitlib2697 agreed

[@arbhall7572]

I wouldnt have believed that until recently, its been revealed that disney is stealing a lot of fan art and using it in the comics and even promo art. But now. It does seem like a lot of this plot is shit folk were talking about 4-5 years ago.

[@birdiejett3163]

Unpopular opinion: Return of the Jedi was my favorite of the Original Trilogy, and Luke’s resolution with Vader was darkly poetic. Not that it needs to be repeated FOREVER

[@justafan9399]

Same here. I like The Empire Strikes Back, but Return of the Jedi holds a much more special place in my heart.

[@malcolmferguson4869]

I 100% agree.

[@BratzRockAngels]

Agreed, and my other favorite movie is Revenge Of The Sith. Those two are my favorites. 💜

[@thomasfoster1181]

Most people seem to agree that the stuff with Luke Vader and Palpatine is the best in the series and the Ewoks and Jaba lower the films class a little.

[@ffjreviews9029]

I think ROTJ is my second favorite, just behind ESB

[@kongyiu]

So she was proud that her parents were strong and kept her save. And after that changed her name to Skywalker. That was a big middle finger to her parents!

[@DigiPen92]

Dicky Liu No, I'm pretty sure Rey probably don't want to say her last name is Palpatine to that old woman since we know Sheev Palpatine is the reason brought the Separatists and Galactic Empire to the war and plus, she did went back to Ach-To so that she was trying to go exile herself like Luke because she didn't like to hear she's a Palpatine. If she said her real last name to that old woman, Rey would possibly get known she's related to the former Emperor of the Galaxy.

[@kongyiu]

Matthew Kelly Maybe you’re right. If after the WW2 you told someone in Paris that your last name was hitler, I don’t think that was a good idea.

[@takanokaiyu9348]

@@DigiPen92 But the point is that why does she need to call herself skywalker? And since when Starwars are so keen about family names? Since when? I was hoping she will say "just Rey". That will be fine cause she will not take the risk to ruin the honor of Skywalker as in ruin the "legacy"

[@DigiPen92]

Takano Kaiyu Luke did told to Rey that she shouldn't get desperate on the Bloodlines since that was bothering Luke with Vader revealing himself as Luke's father and Ben Solo turned to the Dark side, because he made a mistake like a human being. Besides that, the Jedi Order have rules for any Jedi that they shouldn't focused on having families like attachments and love as well, this maybe why Luke as a Force Ghost realize his mistakes that he keeps thinking the Bloodlines went to his head. I think Rey probably did asked Luke or Leia off screen about using if she was ok using the Skywalker name and not use her last name is a good idea (possibly sometime after The First Order fell and before went to the Lars' homestead) since there's definitely a lot of people in the Galaxy definitely had a grudge against Sheev Palpatine in the past.

[@takanokaiyu9348]

@@DigiPen92 That is true but she is not part of the skywalker family and I felt weird about it.

[@amanibob1416]

Mr.Plinket, many years ago: " *Palpatine's behind it all!* " Star Wars ep.9, (now-ish): *Sweats nervously...* Me: "You're already dead."

[@juanfranciscovillarroelthu6876]

Amani Palpatine: I am the Franchise!!

[@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets]

@@juanfranciscovillarroelthu6876 story wise you've been dead since Return of the Jedi so that fits.

[@doc9600]

The first thing I heard was "Palpatine banged." I was instantly hooked.

[@funkyweapon1981]

He was a powerful man.

[@SarcyBoi41]

I love how they seem obsessed with finding out EXACTLY who the Senate fucked, lmao.

[@JonSmith-hk1bq]

Are we really THAT surprised? Though, personally, I thought hit should have been Dooku if Rey was going to be a Sith spawn.

[@nickkowal619]

"I'm afraid the pizza oven will be quite operational" - Chuck E. Cheese Palpatine

[@claytongoode5715]

"UNLIMITED BREADSTICKS!!!"

[@ronpetersen2317]

But their pizza sucks

[@taylorchandler7058]

Doug legitimately laughing about the medal is hilarious. The way it dawn on him when Rob told him.

[@futuremovieactor]

That we got to see his live, unfiltered reaction is a gem.

[@Deactorr]

Anyone think that Ian McDiarmuid still nailed his performance? Regardless of how silly his character was written in this?

[@narendramartosudarmo]

Agreed. I can tell he’s having a ton of fun in bringing his character to life.

[@wadetisthammer3612]

Also agreed. I loved him in all his Star Wars movies, even the prequels.

[@JonSmith-hk1bq]

Sure, I guess. Not like they asked him to stretch on this one, it wasn't much more than a voice-acting role. He could have done it in his sleep. I don't want to sound negative, it's just that compared to his turns in Return of the Jedi, The Phantom Menace, and Revenge of the Sith, there just wasn't much for him to chew on.

[@MrPerfect2000Z]

Well yeah that's a given

[@S4ns]

He's great, but bringing back the character in a last ditch effort like this was terrible.

[@labbaby189]

79% of the Disney movies in the past 5 years have been fan fiction projects.

[@Movypro23]

Lab Baby especially frozen 2

[@kylemorello4787]

And what's wrong with that? I've read a ton of great fanfiction.

[@labbaby189]

@@kylemorello4787 Nothing wrong with it at all, just stating the obvious (79% might be a little reachy, but they're definitely gutterballing some of these remakes, and not by changing the plot either). I actually love that some of these movies are making creative changes to IPs to give a commentary on a piece of life some ppl might need at the moment. I previously commented that I liked Leia's ending being a nice homage to Carrie Fisher and her mom, but I'm definitely not gonna take a Beyonce song serious after seeing a bug pushing a ball of dookie across the savanna.

[@willthomas2310]

Outside of this and the last star wars movie, what other films have been fan fiction in the past 5 year? A lot of them have been remakes of old films yes, but fan fictions? I'll give you maybe Endgame too

[@greghamilton9365]

The moment the light bulb went off and Doug realized what the medal meant might have been one of the best scenes of any ROS reviews.

[@The_IRE_Emeatzer]

Where in the this video did the light bulb went off?

[@cauemoraes2496]

​@@The_IRE_Emeatzer27:44

[@samthelegoman3990]

Is nobody going to acknowledge that Palpatine said “Do it!” again

[@Bothandle70]

and also "The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural".

[@bruuze1258]

@@Bothandle70 And yet neither were as good as the first time

[@Deactorr]

For the fans.

[@lacolem1]

I'm not sure what Rob's going on about Rian Johnson setting up going beyond the standard tropes. He had a chance, but in the end the good guy choose light, the bad guy got angry, the evil army was defeated, and the main character was more powerful than ever. For the middle of a trilogy, it played out like the end of one, leaving JJ with nowhere to go. That's why we got the film we got.

[@Joeybsmooth]

They just have the same round heads so he has to defend him.

[@angrybrony]

gee it's almost like there was never a plan made by the guy that's famous for using mystery boxes with no answers. it's almost like somebody shouldn't have given Johnson the keys to the kingdom and let him just do whatever the fuck with no body to rangle him in.

[@Tadicuslegion78]

Did Rob forget all the dumb pandering Rian Johnson did like on that Anti-Capitalism soap box Casino planet or how Finn was turned into a punchline and Rose crashing into him during the climax because "Fighting for love will save us" or how Rian Johnson just tossed all the stuff JJ Abrams set up in Force Awakens over his shoulder so HE could set up HIS story arcs for Rey, Kylo, etc.

[@ArchusKanzaki]

The spirit is there. At least before last 30 minutes of the film. Yeah, I agree that for middle part it feels like end of one. We should switch directors around so JJ makes the first 2 and Ryan finishes them. Also, its try to go beyond Jedi vs Sith thing, not Good vs Evil. Basically, you don't need a background of jedi vs sith in a battle between rebel vs empire or at least the Empire should not always be associated with Sith. Stupid execution, but the spirit is there.

[@angrybrony]

@@ArchusKanzaki or just get better people for the job. that was an option too.

[@redfootgaming2951]

FOR THE ENTIRETY OF STAR WARS, ANYONE WHO IS FORCE SENSITIVE CAN BE A JEDI. You don’t have to have a lineage. Who are Obi Wan’s parents? Nobody cares. The only reason anyone cares about Rey’s lineage is because Force Awakens made a big deal out of it and Last Jedi told us it didn’t matter. Well if it didn’t matter why did you bring it up. The entire trilogy is disjointed and ridiculous. The prequels were bad but this just doesn’t make sense.

[@neunleben1358]

I am confused, my friend.

[@megalodon7916]

The sequels, with all of their flaws and issues, were fucking masterpieces compared to this disjointed Sequel Trilogy. It was all over the place. We went from a virtual shot for shot remake of A New Hope, to an idiotic movie written by someone who was more focused on “subverting expectations” than writing a good story and building off of the plot of the previous film, and finally ended up with this disjointed mess of a movie with it’s idiotic twist on Rey’s origin and enough exposition to fill two movies. It was a disjointed mess from beginning to end. The Sequel Trilogy was something that clearly should never have been made.

[@sideshowmo653]

@@megalodon7916 nope. Prequels had horrific dialog, a wasted bad guy who had to be retcon resurrected, and the creepiest "love story" I ever watched. Oh, and kiddy murder... twice... Nope, not masterpieces at all.

[@joekaput747]

@@sideshowmo653 he was just saying compared to the new trilogy they're masterpieces, not by themselves

[@megalodon7916]

@@sideshowmo653 I said masterpieces compared to this crap. And what do mean child murder was a problem? What did you expect to happen to the younglings? Did you expect them to just let the little Jedi children go? That was inevitable. If you can’t handle the death of the Jedi, then why bother watching? And who the hell was resurrected? You mean Maul?

[@velvetdemise6]

“Welcome to Chuck-E-Sheev’s! Our pizza is palpable...”

[@66LordLoss66]

UNLIMITED REFILLS!

[@7MukuroRealm]

"The Hawaiin Side of the menu is a pathway to many toppings that some would consider... unnatural."

[@mystery8820]

Exarch-of-Sechrima Is it possible to learn this recipe?

[@andrewkind2820]

@@mystery8820 not from domino's

[@mystery8820]

He became so successful, the only thing he was afraid of was... losing his touch, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then that apprentice sold the brand to a corporation. Ironic, he could save others from debt... but not himself.

[@kirbynoodle]

This trilogy is like the prequels in reverse where instead of getting better they just kinda get worse.

[@cometmoon4485]

I'd say phantom menace is better than attack of the clones. At least it had Darth Maul

[@solearesoul]

Cometmoon448 Attack of the Clones is my least favorite of all of them.

[@patpear6567]

Fair point. But idk last jedi was pretty bad. But I think most agree episode 7 was the best of the 3

[@magicrectangleEnt]

There was nothing to screw up yet in TFA... and it still screwed up a good bit but clearly not as much as the next two

[@steevrawjers]

lol classic The Prequels are awesome all of them

[@gonzaloegonzalez8106]

Next: Cats review by Chaplin. We need laugh people... We need laugh

[@KRAPYBARA84]

THE PORK IS STRONG WITH THIS ONE

[@marleneg7794]

And disgusting

[@peytonmac1131]

@@marleneg7794 Dew it!

[@stephenskinner7207]

Everyone is making a huge deal of, "Who would sleep with Palpatine?" As if that's some shocking revelation. He's an emperor. A Henry Kissinger says, "Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac", and even if it isn't, there are plenty people who would sleep with a hideous dictator to advance their position in the world.

[@mentaya11]

exactly. Hideous or not, the idea that the supreme leader of most of the galaxy would be a virgin is rather laughable. I doubt he forge a meaningful relationship, had a wife, etc., but having sex, knocking up a concubine, or a random woman, or, heck, raping someone using his power? I could see it. Heck, the woman could have run with the child to use him as a political tool against Palpatine for all we know!

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@mentaya11 And even without it, a Sith EMPEROR running a whole galaxy has TONS of options for how to incubate or gestate offspring, whether the traditional way or not.

[@vulcanhumor]

Parts of the movie I liked: -The opening. Kylo Ren killing a bunch of people, finding the pathfinder, going to the temple on Exegol, and the creepy reveal of Palpatine. A little campy, sure, and the bottled Snokes irritated me, but the opening actually intrigued me and made me interested in where the movie was going. -Chewie's reaction to Leia's death. That was probably the only scene in the movie the got an emotional reaction out of me. It was really hard to watch, but in a good way. Poor guy lost all his best friends. -Han Solo's conversation with Kylo Ren. I wasn't expecting it at all and it really worked for Ren's character development. I liked Ren's redemption arc generally speaking. -The only point of the movie where I cheered was when Wedge showed up. -The scene with Luke and Leia training. Wish we could have had a little more of that, or at least more references to the fact that Leia actually studied the Force. -Not gonna lie, I was happy Chewie got his medal. -Hearing the voices of the Jedi Past. Parts I didn't like: -Bickering. CONSTANT bickering between the main characters. -Kylo Ren and Rey's Force connection, where they are apparently able to pass objects to each other and have lightsaber fights while being miles (or lightyears) apart, was confusing to me. -Rey floating cross-legged in the forest with rings of rocks around her, looking like the fucking Avatar. -The fake-out deaths (literally "Disney deaths"). We're in the final act now. Feel free to raise the stakes and make sacrifices. The final battle didn't feel as impactful because it didn't feel like there was a chance of loss, or losses to make meaningful. -The X-Wing still flies after being underwater for years. Ok. -There were too many extra characters that were getting shoehorned in, and there wasn't enough time to develop any of them or make us care. They bogged the movie down, and prevented it from fully developing its principal characters. -Emperor Palpatine basically has the Katana Fleet. With Death Star lasers. Ok. Where did he get the resources? How come no one knew about this? Who are all these people following him? If he was the man behind Snoke (whom this movie establishes was a completely pointless character) and Snoke was the one forging the Force connection between Kylo and Rey, why to Kylo and Rey still have it seemingly without his influence? AND it's stronger? I have so many questions. Because he got thrown in as the villain last minute, there's no buildup or reason to feel truly threatened by him, either. Up until this movie, the audience assumed he was dead. -Speaking of which, having Rey face off against Palpatine spits in the face of Anakin's arc throughout the first six movies. He was the Chosen One who was supposed to bring balance to the Force. He eventually did. The whole point of those films was his rise, fall, redemption and fulfillment of his destiny. But now they've undone that by bringing Palpatine back and having Rey kill him. Anakin was supposed to have ushered in a new era for the Force, and I really wish these films had run with that instead of digging up an old problem that was supposed to have been solved already. -I know Force-healing is something that has been referenced in other Star Wars media, but like all other Force techniques requires practice, especially for healing mortal wounds. Rey knows how to do it after working with Leia for a year. And it's not even referenced that that was something they were working on together, or that Leia even knew how to do in the first place. Then again, Leia can fly in space. And there are the sacred texts that Rey has. But, it's still hard to believe that she knows how to do it after so little training. And more importantly, how does BEN know how to do it with NO training? He didn't just heal Rey, he BROUGHT HER BACK FROM THE DEAD. -Hux is suddenly a turncoat, and then is suddenly dead. -The Resistence needs help fending off the First Order fleet at the Battle of Crait? Nobody comes to aid them. The handful of surviving Resistence members want to charge headfirst into battle over a scary Sith planet in the Unknown regions where the late Emeperor is still alive and has the Death Star Dark Force ready for battle? Everyone and their mother shows up. Because Lando said please, I guess. Or bribed them, I don't know.

[@treg5298]

YES. THIS.

[@johannesseyfried7933]

Also, where the Hell is the republic Army?!? You can't tell me all their Forces were on those five Planets.

[@LabRat10101]

Spaceballs 2: The quest for more merch.

[@amanibob1416]

Master Yogurt: "Spaceballs, the flamethrowers... Kids love em'!"

[@Movypro23]

Uncle Traveling Matt movie was good but I would’ve much rather have seen Spaceballs 2 lol

[@dflynn-ty2du]

Spaceballs 4: The Search for Spaceballs 3

[@sewthernbelle]

Legit, we need a spaceball 2 now that the Star Wars saga is done . There’s so much material to spoof now

[@half-lifescientist1991]

Let's be real, it's Spaceballs 5 at this point

[@marbledgold0605]

You know long ago, back when Force Awakens came out, my friends and I where speculating about why Rei is so good with the force. One of my friends said she could be like Obi Wan, and just be very proficient at it. I said jokingly, "Maybe she is Palpatines illegitimate daughter who has been in cryo sleep until recently and has force implanted memories". I can't believe I was kinda right after all these years.

[@naragath2531]

You shouldn't be to surprised. You said something really lazy and stupid. That is exactly what Disney lives on.

[@jonathanrobinson8926]

My favorite part was the jar of Pickled Snokes.

[@andrewkind2820]

Mmmm...pickled snokes

[@richardshort2001]

"I would not have redeemed him!" Literally wrote a fan fic last week that redeemed him. HOW DARE THEY RETCON MY RETCON!!!

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

Richard Short you’ve probably helped make these movies make more sense

[@MungkaeX]

I don’t know, perhaps it’s cause I’m old and read way too much; but I’ve been saying since walking out of the theater for episode 7 that this whole trilogy was going to boil down to Ben’s redemption arc.

[@christophergirardi8145]

Disney Star Wars Trilogy: We'll answer questions nobody asked for, we'll leave important questions unanswered, and we'll leave people with more questions then they had before. Disney: Brilliant!

[@Ghostleeee]

J.J did this in all his movies! The moment you give him full control over story it always fail! Because of his fucking mystery box

[@stryletz]

... I feel Rob is missing, or purposely misrepresenting, the point of people's complaint with Rey. Being a Palpatine doesn't magically dispel the bad writing around her, no fan was asking for that. That was Disney being clueless and lazy, yet Rob and many other critics are blaming the fans, not the trolls, the fans who had legitimate complaints with her writing. The story of the sequel trilogy is one of wasted potential and lazy boardroom decisions. The fans are not to blame, this is 100% on Disney.

[@mauricioramirez5948]

There was never a problem with Rey though

[@mrmacross]

@@mauricioramirez5948 I think TFA did ok making her a mysterious character, but TLJ said she was so great with the Force just because, and we already had eps. 1-6 that said mastery of the Force requires intense training.

[@Tadicuslegion78]

I swear a majority of this sibling rivalry is them justifying The Last Jedi and blaming the fans

[@polyhymnia701]

mrmacross Thanks, I agree. She was fine in TFA. Her powers really only got out of hand in TLJ. Interestingly, that's around the same time her personality disappeared. She was kinda likeably grouchy at first, but then the writers started mistaking Force powers for character traits.

[@davidsiegel6982]

Fans ARE to blame. Whether we like it or not, Star Wars is like the Rick and Morty fanbase. Toxic and very vocal of what star wars SHOULD be like. Last Jedi scored positively with critics for a reason

[@remyaudrain3200]

Kylo build his helmet back together, wore it once and then never again...

[@Operation_Bagel]

Them: This movie sucks Me: Hell yeah it does Them: It’s the fans fault Me: What

[@donkeykong75m]

I'll go and say I Agree, But not the "fans" it was Disneys perception of the fanbase. Both Rob and Doug saying Disney freaked out after Last Jedi tearing tropes down is spot on.

[@half-lifescientist1991]

Literally every sequel movie has been a response to fan criticism. People complained that the prequels got too weird, so they made TFA similar to the original films, then people complained that TFA played it too familiar/safe, then TLJ tried dipping its toes into some new ideas/concepts, then people freaked out, then ROS backtracked and quickly undid all of TLJ while also having to wrap things up Granted, that's no excuse for Disney to not have come up with an overall story/conclusion for the trilogy from the very beginning, but this perfectly illustrates what happens when a series of films tries to account for all of the fan complaints.

[@delfimneves5559]

It kinda of is the fans since SW complain about everything

[@Aldrius]

Playing to your audience is USUALLY a bad strategy when creating art. Generally speaking creators should make something they enjoy (within reason).

[@jhanno3771]

Maybe if TLJ didn't have as many plot holes and contrivances as D&D's season 8, or didn't throw so many of its characters into the dumpster

[@admcleo]

Rob saying Rian Johnson was trying to move beyond Good Vs Evil like the third act of the movie didn't exist.

[@Tadicuslegion78]

Or how Rian Johnson wasted a whole half hour to lecture us about capitalism, war, and why rich people are evil.

[@mutalemwananshiku4098]

Were basically back to the status quo of an evil empire vs a small rebellion luke even said "the rebellion is reborn " doesnt sound like moving forward.

[@Theyungcity23]

Adam McLeod The third act where Kylo completely disregards the goals of the first order to get personal revenge?

[@Yeti_Sign]

Kylo letting his anger and thirst for revenge take control is a very Sith way of thinking.

[@3dmaster205]

@@Yeti_Sign Really? I'm pretty sure with the way Palpatine takes control when idiots lose control of their anger; it's very much NOT a Sith way of thinking. Sith USE their anger and hatred to draw upon more force power, they are not slaves to their anger. Of course, Kylo's whole angry bit, is just, "Look, men bad, men toxic, men angry, men stupid, because penis." It's also why Rian Johnson never set anything up; he was just writing feminist propaganda, that along the way he accidentally managed to write something that may have looked like setting something up, that's just him getting lucky. After all, he had General Problem Hair fly her ship into the First Orders in a suicide dive bomb, and not five minutes later when Finn tried to do the exact same thing for the exact same reasons, he has Rose Tyco smash her ship into his, and admonish the toxic male he shouldn't be toxic and wanting to blow things up, but wanting to protect things instead. This dipshit can't think beyond "toxic male bad" and "holy women good" to notice inside of five minutes of a movie he blatantly contradicts himself; let alone about setting things up for long term story lines.

[@bbd121]

I don't like 'Last Jedi', and I don't like 'Rise of Skywalker', but my friend is somehow acting like I'm a villain for not liking 2 movies that was really frustrating to watch. If you enjoyed it, great for you. The love that grabbed hold of your 'very soul' (sic) when you watched 'Empire strikes back' wasn't 'dimmed', etc etc. But I really didn't like what I dislike. Can we not fight over it?

[@kristavaillancourt6313]

Who you fightin?

[@bbd121]

@@kristavaillancourt6313 My friend from work.

[@stormtraitor6545]

Benjamin David That’s fair man. You didn’t enjoy those films. Doesn’t mean you think others shouldn’t... I loved TFA, thought TLJ was just okay, but TROS felt like an opportunity lost.

[@bbd121]

@@stormtraitor6545 I know, right? If you liked it, it's good for you. That means you continue to enjoy something from your childhood, which I wish I could. But how am I some sort of a bad person for disliking what I thought were a couple of frustrating follow ups to a solid original trilogy?

[@BeggarsNight]

The only people I’m taking down are the hypocrites who say this movie is terrible (which it is), but then defend Last Jedi. When that movie caused this entire mess in the first place. Can’t excuse one and hate the other for the exact same thing.

[@CaptAwesumNo1Zone]

Where is R2-D2's medal then!??? I mean he did fly with Luke at the battle at Yavin-4 AND get seriously injured. JUSTICE FOR DROIDS!!!! R2-D2 DESERVES HIS MEDAL!!!

[@supercool2898]

L Franco he did not

[@ffjreviews9029]

CaseyKC R2 got shot in battle, so he wasn’t able to do anything

[@markborishnikoff5485]

Droid rights!

[@MungkaeX]

“We don’t serve their kind here”

[@wiledwiredweasel560]

R2 is beyond such frivolties.

[@thomaspayne7617]

I wanted Kylo and Rae in the "Last Jedi" to realize that dark and light may not mean evil and good respectively. That these two forces can live in harmony. Both the Jedi and the Sith dogmatic were religions and long ago Dark and light lived together.

[@nolandavis1129]

Yeah and that’s exactly what happened.

[@mrmacross]

We had the OT and the PT that hammered over our heads that one can be strong with the Force, but still needs training to accomplish all those things you see on screen. The Disney trilogy completely eschewed the need of it, and that always rubbed the wrong way. Luke couldn't just beat Vader. Padawan Anakin had no chance against Dooku, etc. It's like Rey was born with the cheat codes entered.

[@unvoicedapollo3318]

Well no. The force is intuitive. In order to use it CONSISTENTLY and have PROPER CONTROL one needs training. That isn't eschewed at all in the sequels. If it were Rey wouldn't need ANY training.

[@mrmacross]

@@unvoicedapollo3318 With respect that The Rise of Skywalker probably adds additional explanation, Rian Johnson's interpretation was that everything with the Force Rey could do in TFA was done with no training whatsoever, including Jedi mind tricks, levitating and pulling objects, etc. That's why a lot of fans did not like TLJ, because Rian Johnson's answer was that Rey was some nobody and some random kid could just use the Force to grab his broom without any sort of coaching. Considering how hard it was for a non-trained person to move a huge object like an X-Wing stuck in a Dagobah swamp, or a large pillar that was pinning Obi-Wan and Anakin (or something like that, I don't remember the scene in AotC that well), Johnson's interpretation is in direct contrast of Lucas'.

[@unvoicedapollo3318]

@@mrmacross I didn't get that at all from Rian's interpretation. In fact I don't believe he ever directly addresses it beyond Luke stating Rey at raw power. But that doesn't mean she could consistently access the powers without training. The scene with the broom was about hope spreading through the galaxy. Geez fans are literal...almost as if they deal in absolutes...🤔

[@mrmacross]

@@unvoicedapollo3318 I respectfully disagree. TFA seemingly set up a lot of questions about Rey and why she was so talented in the Force, and TLJ doesn't really try to answer any of them other than saying that's the way it is. I guess, yeah, training could've helped her find answers, but as far as being adept in the Force, TLJ made it seem like training was pretty optional. The first six episodes made it a much bigger point about how important training was than TLJ did, which is part of the reason why a lot of fans were dissatisfied and why Rise of Skywalker is infamously "rude" to Rian Johnson. TLJ *tells* us that Rey needs to train to focus her powers and all that, but the movie doesn't *show* it to be the case.

[@unvoicedapollo3318]

@@mrmacross it does show us that or why even hang around after dropping off the lightsaber?

[@markfarrens7733]

Actual quote : “ Only a sith DEALS in absolutes “.

[@Lady_de_Lis]

Why is Rey a Mary Sue? Because she's OP af with no training? Partly, but that's not all it takes to be a Mary Sue. Is it because she takes literally no damage and suffers literally zero major losses, winning every major battle she's ever been involved in? Again, that's partly why, but that's also not the whole reason. Is it because she has no personality or social flaws that cause her problems which she needs to overcome? Again, partly, but not entirely. It is all of these things in combination which make her a Mary Sue. Rey is OP with no training and extremely talented at countless skills with little to no explanation. She overcomes every major obstacle she faces with very little difficulty and resulting in virtually no damage or losses of any kind for her. And she is naturally a good and virtuous person with no social or personality flaws to speak of. Luke? He was a whiny, glory-seeking, impulsive, bleeding heart farm boy who had to learn to be more mature and sensible and cautious. He nearly froze to death and needed severe medical treatment for those injuries. And he lost an arm, requiring a robotic replacement. Not to mention nearly being Force Lightninged to death, only being saved by Daarth Vader at the last second. Anakin? He was a power hungry, selfish, over emotional, vengeful person who never overcame his personality flaws at all, hence why he became a villain. He lost both his arms and his legs, burned off the top layer of his skin, and was forced to wear a special suit to keep him alive. Then, he was killed by Force Lightning. All three of these people were OP right out of the gate. But only one of them was a Mary Sue. Can you guess which one?

[@NW-sm8xq]

Underrated post.

[@thegamer9302]

@J&N Gaming and More! the other two died died .w.

[@DampeS8N]

The lady one? Pretty sure the other two can't be Mary Sues because they are dudes.

[@Lady_de_Lis]

@@DampeS8N The concept of a "Mary Sue" originated from a joke character named "Mary Sue" in a Star Trek parody fanfiction. The concept itself is not exclusive to female characters.

[@DampeS8N]

@@Lady_de_Lis Thank you, officer.

[@JeroenDoes]

I do not see the force as intuitive... but also not as bloodlines. I always saw it as something that some people are gifted with but that gift needs a huge amount of training to refine. The jedi only accapted young children, both anakin and luke were too old when they started in their eyes. This is my problem with Rey and Leia having these force powers. Neither trained for them. How can Leia have had the time to train in a disipline that takes full time work and also be a diplomat and general? You can't really have 3 full time jobs at once. And we know Rey never had any training. She shung her lightsaber at a stone once on her own in the last jedi, that is not really training under a master.

[@unvoicedapollo3318]

Was Rey ever consistent in her ability to control the Force? She still needed training to refine it

[@JeroenDoes]

@@unvoicedapollo3318 She is consistent that she can do whatever needs to be done when it needs to be done through the force. Does intent even matter when you do the thing you would intent to do by accident (or intuition) every time?

[@unvoicedapollo3318]

@@JeroenDoes Yeah because she needed ti blow up that ship with Force Lightning. Absolutely training still matters

[@JeroenDoes]

@@unvoicedapollo3318 The plot needed that to happen yes. And force lighting is a advanced skill of the force. You are just proving that this movie failed in this simple regard

[@unvoicedapollo3318]

@@JeroenDoes the plot also needed luke to force move his lightsaber

[@munkyzzb7504]

JJ Abrams has never done anything original and most of it doesn't make sense.

[@munkyzzb7504]

@Quentin Qwent Definitely

[@gatekeepingwarlock9604]

Holy Santa Christ, that "Chuckie Sheev's" part killed me!

[@ffjreviews9029]

OuR pIzZa Is PaLpAbLe

[@klimmr]

Originally, I thought the ending was going to go like: Palpatine is all of the Sith and Rey is all of the Jedi. The Light Side and the Dark Side balance each other out destroying each other; so there's no more Sith and no more Jedi. But, then Kylo Ren comes back, brings Rey back to life, so I guess the Jedi still live.

[@shane3127]

Rey is both a Sith and a Jedi. Chooses to be a Jedi, natural dark side power. Good guys win, and yin and yang (light & dark) are balanced. I think that is what they are going for.

[@TheDark1Runner]

Wait Leia gave up her life force to heal Kylo? I was under the impression she just comited suicide to get his attention or something and when both Rey and Kylo felt her death through the force or whatever she felt bad and healed his wound. Did I miss something?

[@TechnologicallyTechnical]

I think she used all of her will power to basically bring him back from the dark side (however that's supposed to work), and then Rey healed his wound. Granted, shouldn't Rey be dead then if she transferred her lifeforce or whatever to heal Kylo?

[@polyhymnia701]

Matt Ward Good question! Frankly, Leia's sacrifice should have ensured that Kylo would live - triply so because _Han and Luke also laid down their lives to save him._ Having one character die to save another, only for the other character to just die anyway, is horrible storytelling. Imagine how lame LotR would have been if the Orcs killed Merry and Pippin after Boromir was so cruelly slain protecting them. His sacrifice would have been in vain.

[@TheDark1Runner]

@@TechnologicallyTechnical I'm ok with Rey healnig his wound and livng because he wasn't "dead" yet but on the verge of death in which case I would think she'd be knocked out from the effort. Whereas at the end when Kylo did the same thnig for her she was "dead" but even then I don't remember anything in the movie saying it was a risk or anything. Also I really don't think she used her powers to bring him back, the way it was presented it was like she took poison and already covered herself ready to be at peace or Ben Kenobis whole strike me down and "I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." I guess that boost also applies if you strike yourself down.

[@ShadowNerd92]

Ok, so the healing is literally taking some of your life force to fix the other person's life force, ergo injuries, is how they explained it in this one, which is iffffffyyy. But I think they used it as a McGuffin, since atm the only times of healing we see are this movie and Mandalorian.

[@Claudanne2]

@@TheDark1Runner Kylo died when he resurrected Rey because he himself was near death and both he and Rey had enough life force removed to resurrect The Emperor.

[@Tadicuslegion78]

At the end of the day, George Lucas is cackling madly to himself while watching Rian Johnson, JJ Abrams, and Kathleen Kennedy screw up Star Wars so much they validated both him and the Prequels as being a lot smarter than people thought they were.

[@user-dv6nh3mu3y]

Jake llyod gave middle finger for prequel hater and disney

[@Davidsworldtravels]

He’s either laughing or crying uncontrollably. Hard to tell at this point.

[@Tadicuslegion78]

David Dubov both probably both

[@half-lifescientist1991]

I get that people are salty over the sequels, but the prequels were NOT smarter than people "thought they were" just because fans made up some fan theories to explain away the inconsistencies and shit. Still can't believe people think the prequels are "genius" all because of excuses that the AUDIENCE HAD TO COME UP WITH

[@willthomas2310]

@@half-lifescientist1991 For years fans crap on the prequels, now they wanna praise them as sum type of gems? Let's keep the same energy here. This is one of the reasons why, i can't take a lot of star wars fans serious.

[@petereccleston7022]

I really liked how Rey struggled with the dark side. Especially since there's little blink-and-you'll-miss-it moments when she's fighting Kylo Ren when her eyes will change to the red-yellow of a Sith Lord before reverting back instantly. Kind of wish the end of this made Rey into a bad guy.

[@MandleRoss]

That is the ending I was hoping for but knew Disney would not let it happen because then all the parents of young girls who identified with Rey as their hero would be "YOU SCARRED MY CHILD FOR LIFE!!!" Seems we just cannot have good storytelling anymore without someone getting offended.

[@AkiDave]

Rob walker: I can write it better Also rob walker: *co writer of to boldly flee*

[@somethingsuperbland8829]

Ikr it’s great to hear them tear apart bad movies but they need to be reminded of their abilities

[@somethingsuperbland8829]

K Ren comedies aren’t meant to be serious but still need to be well written

[@DarthRushy]

To Boldly Flee was hilarious though

[@DarthRushy]

@G Ren I can complain about them. Rob wrote a plotline. He didn't write a *script*, which can often make a good-sounding plotline impossible to execute.

[@ryankornacki9918]

Yes that is the EXACT SAME medal as the ones given to Luke and Han

[@2chrisby]

If Ray was powerful but not good at the force would be great. But she is powerful and great with no training. That is what people are mad at. If she was related to someone you could badly explain her talent. No one wanted her perfect in the first place.

[@Netherwolf6100]

The thing people loved about the original Star Wars was its Progression Through Struggle. Luke was a brash, whiny, impulsive kid who acted on his emotions and paid the price for those choices. Over the course of the movies you see him develop patience and mature and by the end of the 3rd movie, he's a completely different person than he was in the 1st. He wasn't just powerful, he was intelligent, calm, understanding, compassionate and didn't let his emotions get the better of him even when or if, it was the easy path. Ray never develops as a person. She ends exactly the way she started, just more powerful but with little to no explanation. That's not a character, that's just power personified and no human can relate to that idea. She didn't train, didn't struggle, didn't learn from her mistakes because she never made any mistakes at all. She was born/created to be perfect and that's boring.

[@MrDioXIII]

No but its OK because Princess Leia is also a Jedi Master who is implied to be even better than Luke in spite of not undergoing the training or hardship that he did in Episodes IV-VI so it's alright, just consume product and buy merch.

[@cambelusthecreator7353]

@@MrDioXIII No, Leia Poppins wasn't ok

[@1977Eelco]

Characters underdeveloped in the trilogy: Maz Kanata, Supreme Leader Snoke, General Pryde, Zorii Bliss, The Knights Of Ren, etc...etc. Especially Maz Kanata and Supreme Leader Snoke bother me a lot.

[@stephenskinner7207]

I don't even recognize half the people in the list.

[@demon2441]

Rob: They didn't have to explain why Rey was good with the force. Me: I don't agree but fair enough. Rob: Why did Leia know how to use the force? Me: Pick a lane Rob!

[@MungkaeX]

demon2441 Why did Leia know how to use the Force? Um, she was trained...by her brother? Didn’t they cover that in this movie? I swear that they did. Though all my old extended universe / legends knowledge does sometimes get in my way. Also given the fact that Rey was old enough to remember her parents leaving, she probably had some amount of early childhood training in her force powers as well. Far more than Luke did since all Obi Wan could do was hang out on the other side of the desert from him.

[@MouseGoat]

@@MungkaeX Riiiiight... but se the ting is, things that are not happening on screen or told by characters in film, are filed under: Fanfiction You alowed to have alle you silly explanations that totally explains everything, but aint gonna chnage the fact that bad writing was bad. I mean at this point fans of the new films sounds like partners in abusive relationship who constantly have to invent reason to justify why its was okay they got hit, and why they properly also deserved it. instead of just accepting that things are bad.

[@Karma-lx8ny]

demon2441 also the same thing can be said for palpatine with him coming back and draining life which aren’t really explained either.

[@demostmiert]

Almost everything Rob says about the last Jedi or Rey is a fallacy in the end.

[@GeneralKenobi75]

Why do they have to explain why Rey is good with the Force? The Force manifests randomly. Yes, you can be strong in it if your parents were strong. That can be passed on. But most of the time it just is a roll of the dice. All those Jedi and Sith, all are just the products of the Force just showing up. We don't need an explanation for Rey, she's just a natural like so many others.

[@psychofroggy8062]

2:09 Dude Rey is a Mary Sue like I don’t care who she’s related to but being perfect at everything and having no flaws makes your character boring we wanted to like Rey. But instead of doing what they did with Luke which was give him flaws, giving him a personality, instead we get a character who can not only use the Jedi mind trick, pull and push with the force, but she can pilot any ship in the galaxy giving us scenes where Rey knows how to fly the Millennium Falcon better than fucking Han Solo. Also defeat a sith lord who has harnessed the power of the force in lightsaber combat, when she herself had never even picked up a lightsaber. Come on Rob you cannot be serious.

[@simpleanswer8954]

Oh, he's serious. He doesn't care about narrative consistency or internal logic.

[@ShinSeikiEvan]

@@satireknight Luke never got any good until Return of the Jedi. Rey starts out at Return of the Jedi level. Does Rob not know that the Original Trilogy took place over many years whereas episodes 7 & 8 take place over just a few days?

[@AlbertPatrick]

I swear, Rey has brought up the fact that so many people do not really know what the term Mary Sue actually means. NO, it doesn't mean somebody is over powered.

[@psychofroggy8062]

Shin Seiki Evan exactly

[@stevereynolds5684]

@Albert Patrick, I assume you mean Daisy Ridley, Rey is the character she portrays. Mary Sue means someone is naturally gifted at everything with no discernible effort, failures, or negative traits, and loved by everyone immediately. What was your point?

[@deshawnedwards6412]

*First spolier, I let Chaplain out* Best spolier ever heard.

[@funkyweapon1981]

It isn't wise to upset a cat.

[@dnm3732]

me like

[@panbat2367]

29:36 oh, god. That theory changes everything. The star wars holiday special might be within continuity.

[@14zrobot]

When they told about all the previous Sith and Jedi spirits I was thinking for a while if this should be called Star Wars: Legend of Kora. Ticks a lot of boxes

[@johannesseyfried7933]

I KNOW, RIGHT?!? Rey: "I can't contact the Jedi of old." What are you? The Avatar?! Aang: Korra. Travel to the Spirit Swamp! There, you will find Toph, the Earth-Bender who trained me! And the worst Thing is: When the Trailers came out, I made a Joke about this! Luke: "A thousand Generations live in you now. Let me introduce you to them: That's Obi-Wan Kenobi," Obi-Wan: "Hello there." Luke: "Grandmaster Yoda," Yoda: "Older and older these Padawan get. Ridiculous by not it is!" Rey: "But you said you would never train another Generation of Jedi again!" Luke: "I don't. That's what they are for. I told you the Truth....from a certain point of view...." Qui-Gon: "You trained this one well, Master Kenobi." Obi-Wan: "I had a very good Teacher." And now they all came back in the Movie! What is this I don't even!

[@johannesseyfried7933]

I KNOW, RIGHT?!? Rey: "I can't contact the Jedi of old." What are you? The Avatar?! Aang: Korra. Travel to the Spirit Swamp! There, you will find Toph, the Earth-Bender who trained me! And the worst Thing is: When the Trailers came out, I made a Joke about this! Luke: "A thousand Generations live in you now. Let me introduce you to them: That's Obi-Wan Kenobi," Obi-Wan: "Hello there." Luke: "Grandmaster Yoda," Yoda: "Older and older these Padawan get. Ridiculous by not it is!" Rey: "But you said you would never train another Generation of Jedi again!" Luke: "I don't. That's what they are for. I told you the Truth....from a certain point of view...." Qui-Gon: "You trained this one well, Master Kenobi." Obi-Wan: "I had a very good Teacher." And now they all came back in the Movie! What is this I don't even!

[@DFTNSHEXGRM]

I can't wait for the Mr. Plinkett review of this one.

[@Darkness1984]

@Joshua Munn weil After the Prequels, he was right.

[@goldfishprime]

@Joshua Munn They liked TFA. It wasn't when RJ decided he wanted to say FU to the franchise that things went south.

[@goldfishprime]

@Joshua Munn I doubt it. It's like someone sh!tting all over your rug and then someone else tossing sand over it. Well, they 'dealt' with that mess, but it's still a mess.

[@ogfunk187]

@Joshua Munn Plinkett prequel reviews were spot on. Those movies were abysmal.

[@19kilo241]

“Johnson was setting up moving beyond Jedi/sith” .......Except the last thirty minutes where it clearly sets up that rey will take up the Jedi mantle when Luke says “I will not be the last jedi”. “Why is Palpatine asking Rey to strike him down when he spent six movies trying to get power!?”.....did he not watch ROTJ when he also goaded Luke to kill him to turn him to the dark side?

[@SuperScarface83]

Regarding your second point, I seriously doubt that Palpatine was actually planning for Luke to kill him. That'd be a really weird endgame for someone who went to so much trouble to gain power for himself. More likely, he thought that goading Luke into trying to kill him would be another step towards Luke's turning to the Dark Side and becoming Palpatine new (less-mutilated) apprentice.

[@markborishnikoff5485]

I agree with the first point, this sequel trilogy rehashed everything that came before. Even Last Jedi. I also agree with the second point. I think they just gave a reason for him to do so.

[@jayhartRIC]

In Return of the Jedi, Luke does in fact attack Palpatine and Vader blocks it.

[@markborishnikoff5485]

@@jayhartRIC Yeah, he does.

[@edwinsuijkerbuijk5106]

In the last Jedi luke suggests that some of the jedi code is not good I think he does not like the part about not being about to love and having to disconnect from your family. I would have loved if in this movie we saw Rey going full jedi code extremist.

[@ObiWonJulian]

Rob sure acts like a snob but in the end he's a nerd himself lol I mean Doug feels like a puppet in these discussions to the puppetmaster (Rob)

[@shihoblade]

Doug is just trying to review the movie. Rob is just throwing out all of Disney's fan hate for daring to complain at their laziness.

[@selah199]

Lol that part when he talked about the medal! I was dying how he revealed it to Doug 😂😂😂

[@jonathanjacobs1870]

Hey, you forgot one thing...........THE CHAAAAAAAARRRRRTTTTTTT!!!!!!!

[@Alhawaii1]

Isn’t rob the guy who writes all those god awful fan rewrites for stuff like the dark knight lmao

[@JiggyWiggyASMR]

I look forward to Barney Walker inevitably being cast as Palpatine for the review

[@lampcrow5453]

Two years on and Rob still hasn’t gotten the memo that being disrespectful and dismissive to fans with a different perspective like they’re morally inferior isn’t a good idea.

[@OtakuD50]

To be fair, a shit tone of fans haven't gotten that memo.

[@pumas2342]

As a star wars fan i should say a lot of them haven't earn a single bit of respect, i asheme of being part of the same fanbase a lot

[@calebmauer1751]

And some fans haven't realized when they're busting out straight up Palpatine dialogue vague posts like defending their star wars opinions is a hill worth crossing over to the dark side for.

[@Thundarr100]

Rob. The Force is not intuitive, instinctive or reflexive. SOME Force Powers are, like unusually quick reflexes, but others require training and practice. Luke received training from Obi-Wan on The Millennium Falcon while on the way to Alderaan. Granted it wasn’t a lot of training, as that’s only about a 2 day trip to Alderaan from Tatooine while traveling through hyperspace in a ship as fast as The Falcon, but Force Pull/Push is a fairly basic Force Power. And Luke did use Force Push in A New Hope, when he shot the torpedoes into the exhaust port of The Death Star. So his using Force Pull to grab his lightsaber in the Whampa’s cave certainly makes sense. Also Empire takes place at least a couple of years after A New Hope, so he could certainly have been practicing the little bit of Force training that he had with Obi-Wan. And another thing. The Phantom Menace took place during the height of the Jedi Order’s power. Many people would have known who the Jedi were and what they could do. And Watto, being of a race immune to Jedi Mind Tricks, would know of their power and their weakness against his species. Seriously dude, rewatch the entire saga, including the prequels. You need a refresher on what the force can and can’t do.

[@gregg4174]

Agreed that the force isn't intuitive. I know most people hate the prequels but they show that it takes years of training to learn how to use the force. The issue isn't about bloodlines (although I did like the idea of Rey's parents being randos). The issue is that it should take more than just knowing about the force in order to use it. I know how to tell time, but that doesn't mean I can build a clock. That said, I'm not sure about Luke force pushing the torpedoes. I always saw it as him letting the force guide him like with the practice probe.

[@johngun7418]

And even then in the whampas cave, Luke had to really concentrate to pull that lightsaber to him with the movie also implying that some time had passed. It's not crazy to assume he didn't practice on his own after a new hope. Rey jedi mind tricks a FO storm trooper after like her second try not even knowing wtf she was doing or with anyone showing her how to use the force *at all*. Then a day or two later she's on the same level as kylo ren while Luke needed a couple of months just to get his ass kicked by vader in ESB.

[@Thundarr100]

@@gregg4174 well I'm not sure exactly what Force Power Luke used to send the torpedoes into the exhaust port, but my point was that Luke had in fact had at least some training before using it. He wasn't going to be very skilled with The Force at that point, but he had some training. Remember, using Force Powers in the Star Wars Universe is essentially a form of martial arts training. Luke's training in A New Hope is essentially like learning how to throw a proper punch in karate. You might not know enough to be able to take on Chuck Norris, but you can probably do some serious damage to someone who doesn't know how to fight when you punch him in the face. And I like your analogy of knowing what time is and knowing how to build a clock.

[@Thundarr100]

@@johngun7418 another thing is Rey's lightsaber skills. Or should I say lack of? Watch episode 1 through 6. The Jedi and Sith treat their lightsabers like they're samurai swords. The fighting techniques are very similar to real world swordfighting styles. Rey swings her lightsaber like it's a goddamn baseball bat. And when she fights people who are armed with lightsabers, or melee weapons designed to counteract lightsabers, she always aims for the opponents weapon. This is a failing of the sword trainers and fight choreographers, but still she should not be winning lightsaber fights with such poor swordsmanship. Check out the channel Shadiversity if you haven't already. The host, Shad, is a fantasy writer and martial artist, as well as an expert swordsman. He has done several videos on the Star Wars Universe, giving opinions on things like lightsabers, storytelling, dissecting fight scenes from movies (he's already done Obi-Wan vs Anakin from ROTS and the throne room fight from TLJ) as well as many other subjects. I find it very interesting and informative.

[@OctEddie]

@@johngun7418 I think the big difference is we remember Luke always being doubtful of the Force. Of what it can do. "Are you sure?" "It's too big." "I can't see anything with this blastshield..." Rey is more of that child of curious wonder. She believes the Force can be used for great things. She doesn't doubt it...it's the Force. I can do anything. Both Rey and Luke are naturally gifted and talented, strong in the Force. So it's easier for Rey to use it than Luke without training. She simply believes she can do it. She's a good fighter as she had to grow up alone and quickly learn to defend herself or die. Though yes, the fighting style from her is sloppy, but I think that's an issue with fight choreographers. Her first fight with Kylo Ren made sense. She's gifted in the Force and a decent fighter, Kylo has a severe wound and is underestimating her. It makes sense we see in Rise here Kylo basically kicks her ass in the fight until Leia's intervention. We see then when Kylo is serious, he is hands down the better fighter.

[@V1RNER]

For someone who "disliked" TLJ, Rob sure defends the heck out of it.

[@oddjob914]

CoricArt Studio Theres a lot to defend. TLJ is great

[@pokejoseph]

Brendan Clarkson Said no one ever

[@andrewshepherd1633]

Obviously said one person minimum. That being said, TLJ had a couple of good things but overall was just....it was bad overall especially the hardcore jokey nature of it. It was like it couldn't decide if it wanted to be the Avengers or Star Wars so it tried to have a baby and that baby was just too inbred to survive on it's own.

[@S4ns]

He sure seems to like it.

[@andrewshepherd1633]

@SmashStomp_Inc I disagree, I prefer the original extended universe every day of the week, but they (sequel trilogy) ranged from bad to ok/inoffensive. We just have a higher expectation for our content as a fan base.

[@SpecialBeam]

So that was a random medal? I definitely thought that was Han's old medal. I thought she gave it to him like as something to remember him by. I mean.. this is kinda late but still.

[@Beacuzz]

Being brave enough to try something new means I'll watch it. Being cowardly enough to stay safe mean I'll just rewatch my old favorites.

[@SwagbitoUchiha]

Oh, about the Billy being Gender Fluid thing, that was clickbait. He just means he's in touch with his feminine side, articles started going nuts on it to suit their own agenda. Not that I really cared, I love the guy regardless

[@polyhymnia701]

I give him a lot of courage for clarifying what he meant, even though the outrage mob might come at him for using common sense.

[@grumpybritishbean8969]

That dagger matching the wreckage of the Deathstar...so stupid....what is this, the Goonies?

[@smithwesson1896]

First thing I thought when I saw that was "That's where One-Eyed Willy buried his gold!"

[@jordirapper]

Rey is by definition a Mary Sue. Whether you like it or not

[@KhanKeal]

damn straight. preach it.

[@stephenskinner7207]

Yeah, she is, but I'm not happy about it. They could have made her character good. They could have made her interesting.

[@jordirapper]

@@stephenskinner7207 agreed. I hate her character or lack of She succeeds at everything and never fails in order to learn and be a better character.

[@nameisamine]

I wanna hear the legitimate arguments about why Rey ISNT a Mary Sue.

[@jamesegan4218]

My name is Aminé I don’t really understand the Mary Sue complaints. Her power levels are very similar to Luke in the original trilogy or anakin in the prequels. She trained with Luke the same amount of time Luke trained with yoda. Yes she was powerful, but so were Luke and anakin. They could use the force and didn’t really understand what they were doing either. I will say Luke and Anakins character arcs were far more interesting but in terms of power levels there wasn’t much difference.

[@CharlesUrban]

Artoo didn't get a medal, either...or a part in this movie, really.

[@Whimsy3692]

But the real reward... is being C3PO's best friieennd. :)

[@bluskamqko]

@@Whimsy3692 your comment is even funnier when you know the actors of C3Po anf R2 hate each other IRL

[@adarkimpurity]

He just witnessed some stuff... and reacted. The coned wheel got more!

[@drno87]

Rey is basically a Steven Seagal character, lacking the flaws that would allow for real character growth and being too dominant in combat to ever be in any real danger.

[@kylemorello4787]

You mean like trust issues, abandonment issues, identity issues, etc.

[@c.w.simpsonproductions1230]

So, will there be a Nostalgia Critic episode of Rise of Skywalker, considering you reviewed Force Awakens and Last Jedi?

[@KiwiHehe.]

Most likely, just have to wait till it come to Blu-ray

[@SlaveofChrist1]

Stroke Victim Aleks I don’t think he’d have to. He reviewed TFA, TLJ, and RO all within the weeks (or so) they were released into theaters

[@CLDJ227]

Yeah he said at the end of this video that he was gonna write the script for it. So it's probably coming.

[@KiwiHehe.]

@@SlaveofChrist1 yeah I thought about that haha, like what's he did with the IT movies too.

[@tbryan5437]

I hope so. Those are among my favorite videos. He definitely needs to have Chris Stuckmann included too.

[@maidenofcats568]

You know how upset I was when Rey never said "ok boomer" to Palpatine!?!?!

[@MouseGoat]

what a mised opportunity there. XD

[@theotherjared9824]

That line should have been what really killed him.

[@TheEvilRohanite]

27:33 lmao I had this exact moment with my little brother, was wondering what the medal was and he immediately explained oh it's this and it just clicked and I lost it

[@SaurianStudios1207]

Well given how bad the sequel trilogy is, at least we have the Mandalorian and Rogue One

[@finnsnow2495]

I keep forgetting Rey and that women from Rouge are not the same person.

[@dnm3732]

true

[@pikapo16]

I thought Rogue One was okay. The climax was great though!

[@maldranrk]

@@pikapo16 it felt more like a star wars movie than the new trilogy. made me want to pull out dos box and play X-wing

[@theshakter]

Rogue one is a prequel

[@byronluke6633]

Her being palpatines granddaughter would work had they set it up as sucklh but this entire thing was nothing but a thrown tpgether peice of shit that should've never made it off of the drawing board

[@Deathlygunn]

The whole Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter thing would have been a great concept if it had been introduced in Episode VII. Have the likes of Han and Leia discover Rey is a descendent of Palpatine and refuse to fully trust Rey throughout Episode VII until she destroys Starkiller Base. Then at the end if episode, after both the audience and the cast are convinced that Rey is truly in the path of the Jedi, have Palpatine's voice call out across the Galaxy to try, that way when we start Episode IX, we're actually caring about Rey could do.

[@OtakuD50]

I think there were some subtle hints in TFA, the problem was that for a twist like that you need to build upon it in the second part for the third part reveal to be a payoff. We didn't get that additional buildup and instead got a fake out.

[@yoga_bear.]

35:40 Rob: YOU DON'T HAVE THE BALLS MICKEY. Mickey: I DO THERE MY EARS

[@SeanSmith-lv7wl]

Billy Dee Williams came out and said he’s not actually gender-fluid and the media misinterpreted his comments.

[@ronpetersen2317]

Of all the new terms from the last 6-10 years gender fluid is the weirdest one. A lot makes no sense but that makes the least sense. A few years ago gender was a biological fact. When did it become an opinion? It makes no sense.

[@mentaya11]

@@ronpetersen2317 right? I'm sorry, don't mean to step on toes, but as a scientist, I simply call people what they biologically are. It's fact regardless of preference and they can't change that. To avoid alienating friends who care about it, I generally don't use pronouns at all for them. I get some people feel strongly about this and I don't want to offend, but still, biologically, you are either male or female. That's what I go with.

[@ronpetersen2317]

@@mentaya11 In those cases I might just skip on the pronouns. I understand, we live in a world where people think opinions and feelings have the ability to alter reality.

[@mentaya11]

@@ronpetersen2317 I do sometimes, when it's someone who really cares. I see no reason to offend when I don't have to

[@Sammmmmmmm617]

Just because Reg is Palpatines daughter, doesn't mean she should be an incredible lightsaber user and able to use the force a couple hours after discovering it like she did in The Force Awakens. Midiclorians don't = God Tier. You have to train, practice, etc. She literally never fails and always wins in the first 2 movies. The training in this movie was useless!

[@BartAllen]

*Yet no mention is made of his son - I mean shouldn't he be even more powerful? *facepalm*

[@LordMoonshadowGaGa]

Worked for Anakin. Just a reminder that Palpatine was Plaguis and Plaguis was Anakin’s father, which makes him Rey’s uncle, Luke and Leia her cousins and Ben her second cousin. Whom she made out with. In other words: JJ ABRAMS BROUGHT INCEST BACK ON THE MENU!

[@generalesdeath5836]

TheNerdyBirdyShow Even Anakin had to train... But yeah, good point on the incest thing. Wild.

[@Sammmmmmmm617]

@@generalesdeath5836 not to mention Anakin lost to Dooku

[@LordMoonshadowGaGa]

General Esdeath Did he, though? The insistence to train was by Qui Gonn’s discovery of Anakin, not by traditional recruitment procedures. The seers never saw him for ten years, who else could hide from the Jedi like that? Palpatine powers. Luke never saw Rey. 19 years, not a vision. Why? Palpatine powers.

[@tino9117]

Technically a Palpatine is also a Skywalker, which makes Reylo even worse

[@dracocrusher]

Anakin was made through a weird virgin birth, but he was still made by Palpatine, so that'd make Darth Vader her uncle, I guess? Which means that Kylo is obsessed with Rey's dead uncle even though his father is a former husband/lover to actual royalty, and the sister of Luke, who is Vader's son and thus Kylo's half-grandfather, I think? So pretty much everyone important directly ties back to Palpatine in some way outside of Finn and Poe, the most... important... characters....

[@DarkLotusAlpha]

bigevilworldwide1 In the Vader comics it was directly stated that Palpatine engineered Anakin’s birth through the force, but yes Palpatine isn’t related to Anakin through blood but only could be thought of his father conceptually since he did “help” make Anakin albeit through outside means.

[@dracocrusher]

@bigevilworldwide1 So question, because I haven't seen the newest movie: Did Palpatine fuck to make Rey? Because she was just on some random desert planet who knows where. And if Palpatine's just leaving his spawn just wherever at random like that, that implies he fucks A LOT across multiple different worlds.

[@michaelford8017]

To:@@dracocrusher __________________ Palpatine apparently fucked, and he had a granddaughter, which is Rey Palpatine, but she prefers to call herself Rey Skywalker.

[@tino9117]

@bigevilworldwide1 not that he raperd her, but used the force to create life, thus creating Anakin

[@coolnerdlll6053]

OK, we *so* need a TV show of Palpatine running a Chuck E. Cheese place.

[@joyjones8231]

OMG, thee"I am your fathers, brothers, cosins roomate, what does that make us absolutly nothing!" Line actually make sense now. Mel Brooks knew, he unkowingly summed up the apex of the franchise decades ago, he's indeed had the last laugh.

[@TechnologicallyTechnical]

Rob... My entire theater cheered when Chewie got the medal

[@kylejohnson7649]

Dude same!!! I was like wtf are you doing

[@michaelford8017]

Stupid scene.

[@toddjackson3136]

Must have been a theater full of neewbs. Wonder if it's the same one that cheered when Rey and Kylo kissed and shouted they won and the boomers could suck it only to scream they hated Star Wars when a second later he dies. Lol

[@ffjreviews9029]

My people in the audience were groaning when that happened

[@adamhenry6793]

Stamp Wars?

[@Dragonage2ftw]

Huh?

[@racool911]

Admit it, Rise of Skywalker was the fans’ fault

[@sebastianemond5313]

It totally f#*&ing was!

[@t-rexona9873]

No . Disney had no plan for Star Wars to begin with. Besides, the 2 directors of the new trilogy clearly had a battle of ego. ROS is the consequence of their disagreement. Star wars could be REALLY dumb. For sure. But whatever you do, they'll go watch the last star Wars if it is part of the canon trilogy

[@ffjreviews9029]

It wasn’t the fans fault, it was Disney’s fault for not having a basic storyboard for the trilogy

[@HerbstaMagus]

Force Ghosts are RESTORED versions of their living selves as seen in the various versions of Return of the Jedi. It makes sense that Luke would be an idealized and more confident Jedi while in ghost form.

[@bromodragone8405]

You *know* a movie's bad when even *The Senate* can't save it.

[@elizabethlevesque6978]

I think Rey is Mary Sue, but I don't think that because she's a nobody she's a Mary Sue cuz only bloodline people can be strong in the force. I think she's a Mary Sue because she's over-powered and her journey is just not well done. Everyone is always like, "Luke is OP and could use his powers right away." Yeah but they weren't really very controlled, and it was just raw talent mostly uncontrolled. Somehow a strange girl no one knows nothing about who has never used the force, not only has understandable raw power but can control it as if she had been training for years. I don't know, I just find her annoying as a character. I personally don't think she's a good female hero. But that's just my opinion.

[@MichaelAarons1701]

But Luke couldn’t use it right away. The first time we see any inkling of Luke using the Force was during the flight to Alderaan where Obi-Wan was giving him lessons and then after that was him listening to Obi-Wan telling him to just let the Force guide his intuition aiming his shot.

[@clowningaround5341]

And that is correct she is a marry sue

[@elizabethlevesque6978]

@@MichaelAarons1701 I don't really think Luke was able to use it right away, but that's something some people have said to me to defend Rey being overpowered. That Luke was also OP. Which I've never thought he was really.

[@mrmacross]

Let's also not forget how many times Luke had to get his rear end bailed out. He couldn't fight off the Sand People, or the thugs at Mos Eisley Cantina. The sewer monster in the Desth Star nearly killed him until they turned on the trash compactor. Both Wedge and Han saved him at the Death Star battle. Then in Empire, Han saved him from freezing to death on Hoth. Luke failed several tests on Dagobah. Then he left his training early and lost the duel with Vader, and needed to be saved by Leia and Lando. We finally see an OP Luke, but that's after years have passed and we were on the third movie. And even then, he was no match for the Emperor. Rey had no such arc. It's one trial and failure, followed by success.

[@polyhymnia701]

In the first movie, Rey never used the Force until Kylo made that mental connection with her. It suggested that maybe all her powers came from him. If they'd gone with that, it would have been a lot more believable.

[@Mark_o_Helm]

I hated the Reylo kiss. And how Palpatine made the same mistake as in Episode 3, when he didn't stop his lightning as it was reflected back to him.

[@rubix2980]

In Episode 3, it made sense because he wanted to prove to Anakin how evil the jedi order was and he did stop at the right time, just enough to show some scars to prove his point. There, he just commited suicide lol. In Episode 9, he's just clearly stupid. He created Snoke who made Starkiller when he had thousands mini Starkillers himself, he thinks that Kylo Ren who is conflicted is the best idea to get what he wants, he explains all his plan to Rey to make her accept the dark side and just commits suicide. He had more than 30 years to come up with a plan and that's the best he could come up with ? What an idiot !!

[@ElementalComicUniverse]

27:27 The best part of this video. I freakin lost it when Chewie got his medal at the last minute of the movie since he didn’t get one in “A New Hope.”

[@WickedFireBird69]

What do you mean darth vader is Luke's father?!?!?

[@diggerdog9205]

SPOILERS JEEZ!! LMAO

[@Mr.Spanish_94]

DUDE!!!!! SPOILER!!!!!!!!!! Now I have wait for Revenge of the Jedi

[@BassPlayer60134]

I don’t consider ESB canon so I don’t believe Vader is his father.

[@ffjreviews9029]

BassPlayer60134 W-H-Y

[@BassPlayer60134]

I’m just joking

[@Schwagg86]

I’m ok with The emperor coming back, the books/comics did it and pulled it off.. but how do you reveal that in the CRAWL!?? Even though everybody knew the emperor would be in this movie, show us the moment where he reveals he’s back so we can see the fear in the resistance and even the rest of the galaxy. It’s a great way to show what a serious threat he is, it would make for an exciting scene, and most importantly, it’s just bad filmmaking to put this in the crawl. Look at TFA. The crawl starting with “Luke Skywalker has vanished“ works because it’s a mystery we know the movies are going show us and solve in the future. This movie uses the crawl to get out of showing us something important. There’s a lot I like about this movie but this is a serious mistake and there are a lot of similar ones

[@Mr.Nyongo]

They revealed it in the crawl?? Jesus.

[@MrDioXIII]

Yup. He's back, fuck you, deal with it. This movie is 2 to 3 movies taped together into one. The majority of it is a mcguffin hunt to get to where the Emperor is, and then the final battle. There are so many info dumps and obvious retcons to the mess of 8. It's also non stop fanservice, but not in an endearing way, at least not to me. Hey, remember when Obi Wan did the mind trick? Well here is Rey doing it. Hey remember when Luke trained using the helmet and droid shooting lasers? Now Rey does it, but except she's better at it. Hey remember when Episode 6 was about destroying a transmitter to stop the empire, well we are doing that again. Etc. Someone even asks about the "Holdo Maneuver" and is told it's a "once in a lifetime chance" or something like that to handwave the question of "why doesn't everyone just kamikaze the empire like Holdo did with droid controlled ships?"

[@ShadowNerd92]

Actually, and unfortunately, the transmission they're talking about is the announcement made during the Fortnite Star Wars event at the end.

[@Schwagg86]

Nodnarb999 Oh, right!! Almost forgot! Ahem... **Spoiler Warning** There, Hope that helps... days later

[@Schwagg86]

ShadowNerd Fuck man, I thought u were joking!! I had literally typed out “lol good one!” before i thought, “he said ‘unfortunately’, what if it’s true?” Then I looked into it and....ouch.. very ouch

[@wickedWitch456]

Now that we've all gotten this out of the way, there BETTER be a reaction to Cats!

[@ffjreviews9029]

Actually we’re on our 6th Death Star, because the Droid Control Ship from Phantom Menace was basically a Death Star.

[@wiledwiredweasel560]

I want to disagree but you're right

[@AB-xd8hm]

The implication at the end with Lando and the girl is that the girl is his daughter. No joke. The scene was not suppose to be flirty.

[@Claudanne2]

Good to know I understood it correctly

[@sunflwrchyld]

Then that raises more questions. How did she end up working as a stormtrooper? What did lando do? I thought he was only into droids?

[@AB-xd8hm]

A ton of subplots here demand further explanation. :D We didn't even get to see Lando and Chewie's mission and how they got to convince everyone to join what seemed a lost cause. They probably plan to make a spinoff series of books to explain everything bacause money.

[@Claudanne2]

@@sunflwrchyld He may not be her father. He could be her uncle or second cousin twice removed or any other kind of relation.