Nostalgia Critic Real Thoughts on Batman Forever

Doug and Rob have mixed feelings about this mixed Batman film. Let's compare to how they liked Batman Forever as kids to how they liked it as adults.
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[@cerberus144]

I feel when Tommy Lee Jones said "I do not approve of your buffoonery" I guarantee that it was because when the cameras stopped rolling TLJ was a straight faced professional and JC was off somewhere talking to some of the crew with his butt.

[@LadyOnikara]

And on camera, it seemed like he was trying to outdo Jim Carrey in terms of wackiness.

[@evanzaremba4722]

Hey! I like them both. Deal with it.

[@evanzaremba4722]

@@LadyOnikara that's the way it is. They done it like Nicholson.

[@cerberus144]

@@evanzaremba4722 Never said I didn't

[@Sparrows1121]

I think if Tommy Lee Jones acted more gangsterish then Two Face would have been a way better character in Batman Forever, i mean he didnt need to try to upstage Jim Carrey, since Jim Carrey has his style and i heard its somewhat not too inaccurate to some adaptations of the Riddler from the comics either

[@Armydillo62o]

Hearing Rob say "just Monika" Oh I'm sure he had some fun with that one 😂

[@dominickbenincasa5043]

*_JUST MONIKA_* *_JUST MONIKA_* *_JUST MONIKA_* *_JUST MONIKA_* *_JUST MONIKA_*

[@boredXsomethingXIDK]

I literally watched this film on Netflix before right you posted the review lol perfect timing right? But I agree, I was actually surprised by this film in some parts.. like, I was kinda disappointed that you guys never talked about the scene where Robin see's his dead parents from the rooftop. _It was actually handled really well!_ Robin doesn't say anything there's no lame _"Noooooooo!!!!"_ scream it's just him acting with his face & looking devastated _while_ Bruce stares up at him. It was actually kind of powerful.. Bruce is literally watching this kid go through what he went through ..there's no cheesy dialogue just Bruce Wayne watching as another obsessed vigilante is born right before his eyes.

[@justindenney-hall5875]

Me too, only I got it through Netflix dvd lol.

[@evanzaremba4722]

I watched it on Netflix back in 2018, and I had no problems with the film.

[@evanzaremba4722]

@@justindenney-hall5875 I watched it on both DVD and Blu-Ray.

[@ajbanky7870]

It's sad that the best scene in the movie is a deleted scene. It brought a completely new angle to the death of Bruce Wayne's parents that still hasn't appeared in any live-action Batman movies

[@TigrexMail]

"Just Monica! Always Monica!" Rob is one of us!!!

[@motor4X4kombat]

Psih Opat its monika

[@powerovercorrupt]

Honestly I think Batman Forever could have been good (for it was trying to do) if they had just removed Two-Face. He was just too out of place and honestly one-upped by the Riddler.

[@evanzaremba4722]

WB only wanted two villains for the film. I like Forever just the way it is.

[@TheAceSpaceman]

Joel Schumacher wanted like a "serious/goofy" Batman. But he also wanted some serious and dark tones thingies. The movie had a scene where a Giant Bat appeared in front of Bruce Wayne and remembered who he was, but it was deleted because the studio told him it was "scary and not fit for kids".

[@alexysspowell9710]

TheAceSpaceman I saw that deleted scene. The Bat didn't look scary at all 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@TheAceSpaceman]

Actually I loved that scene, fucking W.B...

[@Teatime7771]

TheAceSpaceman DC executives made Joel do the movie like that.

[@TheAceSpaceman]

I really doubt that Tim had something to do with the flick at that point. I'm guesing that, maybe just maybe, he just give the money to the studio and got the fuck out.

[@rockordrop94]

One deleted scene i wished they kept in was the guards in arkham discovering two-face has escaped. That scene was actually kinda chilling... Well... for batman forever standards

[@HypeVoiceActing]

The moral of this story: You aren't allowed to make Batman silly unless your name is Adam West

[@evanzaremba4722]

Hey! That film is dark and light like the first film. It deals with the theme of duality. Get use to it.

[@Jesterclown17]

The behind the scenes stuff surrounding this movie is pretty interesting. In fact, the tie in novel for this film shows promise of an actually good storyline with a much more coherent story, additional scenes that help flesh out the characters (the first chapter alone tackles a young Bruce Wayne struggling with the guilt of his parents death, a young Eddward beginning his obsession with Bruce Wayne and then finally, to cap off the prologue, Batman meetingg with Harvey Dent and giving his word he keep him out of harms way), and even completely different and alternate scenes (for example, Batman isn't the one who takes down Two-Face... And his death is absolute poetic Justic, not just for Harvey but Robin as well, all with final coin toss.)

[@evanzaremba4722]

I read four drafts of the screenplay of BF. Two written by The Batchlers, and two written by Akiva Goldsman, just to follow Val Kilmer's portrayal of Batman.

[@giovanniorellana2200]

2 years ago, they gave their real thoughts on Batman and Robin, and now they get to talk about Batman Forever!

[@DrRockso1987]

Giovanni Orellana - I REALLY want to see Doug review ‘Batman Returns’. He admits he likes it as a guilty pleasure but holy crap, the stuff you could say about THAT movie...

[@giovanniorellana2200]

DrRockso1987 I wanna see that too, actually I would love to see Rob take over as the NC and joke about it

[@B-dawg-mc6hm]

Giovanni Orellana Not forever...just like 45-50 mins

[@metalmonster34]

I'm 29 now. Watched this movie in theaters after watching the Burton one's. Honestly, I loved it back then. Even now, understanding knowing that it has it's bad things in it I still just really, really enjoy the corniness. My friends and I just sit and watch it and just appreciate it for what it is. "Let's start this party with a bang!"

[@evanzaremba4722]

Forever is my second all-time favorite like Batman 89.

[@AlecDraven]

I like to give Dark Knight Rises a pass because that wasn't the film Nolan wanted to make. Supposedly he wanted to do something with Joker and Riddler, but then Ledger died and he couldn't do that any more. So he rewrote the whole last film. So with that in mind, it's no wonder it was found lacking.

[@scaredbi]

AlecDraven I would love to see his original film. I think it would be interesting to see his riddler.

[@jlogan2228]

Honestly I think if they would've left talia Al guhl out and rewrote some of banes motivations it would've seemed stronger. It's like after the first bane Batman fightscene the movie just feels like it's all over the place

[@Maximillionaire666]

I remember hearing a rumor that David Tennant was going to play the Riddler that would’ve been immense.

[@gamemediafan1714]

Actually, the studio wantes the third film to he with the riddler, and pushed for Leonardo Decaprio to play the part. They wanted this because of the success with Ledger's Joker. However, Nolan didn't want to just repeat the last film. He said that if he was gonna do a final film he wanted a villain who was different from the other two films. So we got Bane and Catwoman, who were actually the best parts of the film. I loved what Anne Hathaway and especially Tom Hardy do with their performances. They're so into what they're doing, and it isn't like Christian Bale where it makes his Barman performance totally ridiculous. It's a kind of effort where you just love to watch them. I wish that Catwoman had more screentime as she didn't get that much time in the film. Bane I found was well-done. Like the Joker every line he says is really quotable from start to finish, mainly because it's delivered so well. I dunno i like what Nolan ended up doing with the villains, except for Talia Al Ghul. So many parts of that reveal scene have plot holes. How did she get all the way from the pit to her father? Last time I heard the League of Shadows base was PRETTY FUCKING FAR. Also how was Ra's al ghul able to go down the pit if it was the prison of a warlord? Wouldn't there be risk of capture or something?

[@AlecDraven]

@@Maximillionaire666 I keep hoping for Neil Patrick Harris to fill that part. He'd look so good in a green bowler hat, I think.

[@shadowtech9158]

I never understood the hate for Batman Returns I loved that movie as a kid and had a lot of the toys hahahhaa...also masked of the phantasm was great.

[@Paul91-]

Shadow Tech Mask of the Phantasm was great and is the best Batman film imo. Batman Returns was just as bad and campy as Batman Forever imo. It's pretty overrated too.

[@allengreene9954]

Rickety Cricket Overrated???? Please........

[@Tadicuslegion78]

Real Thoughts Catwoman, You've just about talked to death everything else you've reviewed Batman related so tackle that monster

[@hellsingmongrel]

Honestly, it's a dumb movie, but I thought the two villains were some of the most amusingly-acted, in a wierd sort of way. Tommy Lee Jones was playing it super over the top, but it was FUN to watch! And Jim Carrey is just always manic energy and therefore amusing.

[@christianpaystrup4427]

I’m going to be honest, I thought Jim was fantastic as the Riddler. The rest of the movie, eh. Also, William Shatner is the Adam West Two-Face. 😂

[@christianpaystrup4427]

Charlie Cox I definitely did think they did a decent job for the most part, but I really felt the Movie was okay.

[@BenjaminGessel]

@@chartruth Chris O'Donnell is a great guy, and yeah, he was a great Robin... Honestly though, Chris always kinda has these likeable but "puppy dog-esque" vibes going on... 😂🤣😂

[@BlackCover95]

Shatner’s Two-Face managed to be more serious than Jones’!

[@gravestoneXD2]

Batman Forever is the space jam of Batman movies

[@catalinamelo9932]

GravestoneXD Nah, not really- Space Jam is fucking RANDOM. Bill Murray, Michael Jordan, Bugs Bunny? Hell I know you won't care but It had some huge ass animators too. Batman Forever is having an asthma attack of fluos. I could fast forward the parts that Space Jam is trying to be deep. Batman Forever tries to be deep all the way through and makes the "meh" film, just like Rob said.

[@ivanakum61]

"Rachel just got blown up" "FUCK Rachel...What you need to do is dress up as a bat!" That Caine impression had me laughing so hard

[@zangetsu134]

To be fair to the Robin suit, it's based on Tim Drake, the at the time the film came out current Robin, and probably the best Robin suit aside from Damian Wayne's, who is, as of the time I posted this, the current Robin. It's also what the Animated Series based Dick's costume is based on. Really just a good looking suit, plus Robin gets pants.

[@SoftAsABaboonAss]

I really dug the design from Arkham City, personally.

[@FlyingFocs]

Actually, I think studio pressure got worse with Batman and Robin. They saw the success of Forever, said "more of that," and Schumacher just went along with it. Because apparently he wanted to do an adaptation of Batman: Year One when he was called to do Batman Forever. Yeah, that... that worked out.

[@evanzaremba4722]

Then you're an asshole. I like that film, and that's why I'm defending it. Deal with it.

[@SkankHunt3000]

Doug has so much patience after seeing video on video of Rob cutting him off

[@SpiritKitten]

I had a super little girl crush on Val Kilmer when I first saw this movie, he was so sexy with those glasses...

[@TheJedwardo]

Hey when did Melvin come back? Melvin, Melvin, Brother of the Joker... Edit:Also does Rob have new glasses?

[@nicr-ff9hc]

Daniel Martin Rob changed his glasses last year's autumn.

[@chelsiirvine8970]

Eddie Gall Melvin is dead

[@SimonBergeron1977]

Melvin was killed by Ask That Guy... before he got himself killed with an overwhelming question.

[@MetalHeadManic612]

Tommy Lee Jones and Jim Carry were freaking hilarious in this movie. If I need a laugh I'll watch Batman Forever.

[@evanzaremba4722]

I like them both as much as I like Jack Nicholson.

[@fcm3d]

I don't care what anyone says I LOVE CAMPY BATMAN!

[@drew1429]

I like this campy Batman and Adam West's campy Batman. B&R's Batman was just weird.

[@randalgraves6979]

I just bought the complete 66 series

[@orangeslash1667]

I feel Warnerbros is more to blame than Joel. They done dumb stuff after this.

[@Warriorcats64]

Batman and Robin wasn't a "blank check", it was the opposite. It was rumored to be so terrible for Schumacher that he eventually gave up and told the actors to "act like you're in a cartoon".

[@MatheusSM1000]

Can you guys make a Real Thoughts on After Earth? I mean, I kinda know your guy's opinion on it, but I still think it would be fun to talk about lol

[@MatheusSM1000]

And I still kinda like Batman Forever, SPECIALLY with the brazilian dub I grew up with. I know it's pretty stupid, but it's a guilty pleasure for me, since it was the first Batman movie I've ever watched haha

[@qwerty77772]

Batman Forever was my favorite of the 4 Burton/Schumacher films when I was younger. I still like it now but not to the same degree. While I do think the 1989 Batman is a better movie, I get more enjoyment from both Forever and Returns. U2's song at the end also kicks major ass.

[@56jklove]

Returns is my fav and part 1 at 2nd

[@alexysspowell9710]

Wow imagine if Batman Returns didn't get the backlash it got when it was released. 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Schumacher would've never been hired, Burton wouldn't have been fired, the Nolan trilogy would've never happened, maybe we could gotten a decent Catwoman movie. Crazy to think about 😱😱😱

[@sebastiancintron29]

bigevilworldwide1 edgy opinion is edgy

[@Xehanort10]

I've always wondered how a third Burton Batman film would have gone.

[@gonk4509]

Xehanort10 Robin Williams Riddler

[@ChunkysWorld]

Doug, what’s up with the eyeliner?! Not that there’s anything wrong with that...

[@dylantrail8632]

Chunky's World prob did Devil Boner shoot

[@thegreatherox]

maybe he was shooting another sketch and forgot again

[@morganmcinroy4211]

Okay I thought I could see some makeup but I wasn't sure so thanks!

[@AlienatedCornea]

lol i thought it was just me

[@ashleyh836]

Prob Devil Boner cause on Instagram Devil Boner and Hyper posted their wedding invitation.

[@KombatGod]

"What kind of man has bats in his brain?..." "Uuuh... Dracula?"

[@anubusx]

An expert on bats.

[@isetmfriendsofire]

I like this movie. it just sucks that it was a sequel to the first two.

[@keefriff99]

Kevin Smith and Marc Bernardin's commentary tracks for the first four Batman films are HILARIOUS, especially Batman Returns. I recommend them all...just listening to them is a riot.

[@timothykammerer7622]

Is Doug wearing eyeliner again?

[@DayTheMagpie]

I think so. There's definitely something there.

[@jessielefey]

Tamara has been teasing a Hyper Fangirl/Devil Boner wedding being shot so... now that you say it yeah it's probably likely. He has so much trouble getting the black eyes washed off. //laugh//

[@outlawscar3328]

Probably for a video. Eyeliner is a bitch to get off.

[@gj3005]

Outlaw Scar Unless you cry

[@KellicTiger]

Thank you. I'm sitting here wondering why does Doug feel like he went goth for some reason.

[@tonymarshall3978]

I saw an episode of hollywood greatest directors on TMC and they interviews Joel Schumacher on his career and it’s fascinting, it seemed like what happened was he was a kid that was obsessed with movies and got a job as a costume and set designer where he was given what was considered the cheap films because he was writing directing, costuming and pfosudgion designing everything but then the studio gave him bigger budgets where he just did whatever he wanted

[@evanzaremba4722]

I read his interview on the Batman Forever behind-the-scenes book and he talked about it. And I also read his interview in a 1995 magazine on how he met with Tim Burton on the set of The Lost Boys, because Burton was preparing Beetlejuice, and he asked Joel Schumacher if he can borrow the same production team that worked on The Lost Boys to work on Beetlejuice. And Schumacher said yes. And that's why they became friends.

[@TheSkullKlownTSK]

You guys should watch Jim and Andy on Netflix if you haven't yet, great video guys

[@ianbaker1270]

I agree its the worst movie I've seen 40 times

[@incufish23]

The best comment I've read to describe this film.

[@kirkmhn967]

Falling Down was an awesome film.

[@arizonaFIREent]

Kirk Hurley that's an understatement

[@anubusx]

The customer is always right.

[@KlonoaFan64]

"Nice *burp* shirt"

[@SoftAsABaboonAss]

The deleted scenes are really good. I wish they spliced them into an extended cut.

[@MidnightSonnet]

It's a silly movie, but it was so much fun. I still really like it. :) Campy bats is a fun bat. ^^ Edit: oh my god, I thought I was the only one who didn't see Keaton as a playboy. He's a great Batman, but doesn't have the "I'm sexy and all the ladies want me" look and personality that Bruce is known for.

[@56jklove]

I remember this movie as a kid and thought it was cool. But it was a drop down in quality and it was half campy and half serious

[@mew10521]

Hmmm well I guess you can say Val Kilmer was flirty with that line "I've got to get you out of those clothes and into a black dress"

[@showmanshipgaming1326]

I feel like if the Mr. Freeze from Batman and Robin was in a modern movie, this would be a major punchline: "Do you want to build an iceman?" *blasts poor smuch with freeze ray*

[@thomasgrindol9124]

Please review Valerian and the city of a thousand planets.

[@dustinhuckabee8208]

I know it’s an older video but just wanted to say, I’ve watched your videos since 2014 and have truly enjoyed them, hope when COVID is over we can meet at a convention, keep up the great work!

[@motor4X4kombat]

"Oh Riatg evrywan... cheel" Pd:thats the best swarzenger pronuntiation i can wrote, so don't judge me. Lets see if you can do better with another ice pun.

[@Xehanort10]

"You are not sending me to the coolah."

[@BugsyFoga]

The one that didn't involve the "trigger word" card .😁👌

[@DeRockMedia]

sshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

[@PowerRangersLostGalaxyFanFilm]

Nathaniel Foga WHERE'S THE TRIGGER?!! Where is it?!!

[@sunflwrchyld]

Bat Credit Card???

[@Dim4323]

Nathaniel Foga or Rob walker sees batman on the cover of time magazine

[@Dim4323]

Andrew Matthews linkara :batman is rich

[@videogamehunter820]

I love this movie. On a ridiculous sort of level. The colorful visuals, the over the top characters, and the ridiculous action, it's just fun. Just don't think too hard about it. But there are plenty of movies like that, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[@sammcguire3798]

OH NO!!!!! I t ' S b O i L i N g A c I d ! ! ! !

[@neffyboy]

Batman yeah!

[@randalgraves6979]

👀 Real Acid?!?

[@thegreatqtip4516]

Nice Rick and Morty shirt there, Doug. I didn't know you watched that show.

[@Captainkebbles1392]

Val Kilmer is stated to be the closest to Bruce, but Affleck might beat him if we ever see him without the kill rage and not man crushing on Superman

[@justadinosaur]

kevin texter Affleck would be close if his Batman didn't act like Thomas Wayne rather than Bruce

[@DemoWarlock]

too bad affleck doenst have the passion for the role

[@ECxTheMaster]

yeah, unfortunately hes stepping down from the role all together

[@kaito_7812]

kevin texter We need more of his billionare playboy persona

[@Captainkebbles1392]

KE-KE Network no he isn't. That a click bait title. The real story is this. Flashpoint is the last movie that will have Batman for a few years, Matt Reeves are prequel movies. So It comes down to if he wants to do younger Batman, but look at WB casting list, he is firmly on there. They offered him to direct while not in the kowl he didn't want to as he felt he would be too distracted. He has said many times he LOVES playing Batman but he won't be suiting up after Flashpoint for a while

[@TheAzulmagia]

Batman Forever is kind of a mixed bag for me. I like how Bruce decides to be Batman not because he feels guilt based around being unable to save his parents as an eight-year-old, but because he wants to help Gotham be a better place. Taking away that tortured aspect of his character does kind of remove part of what makes him Batman, but it is neat that Schumacher decided to take him in a different direction from how he's usually portrayed. That said, Bruce's decision is completely at odds with his inability to keep Two-Face off the streets due to just not pursuing him at all, making no attempt to stop any of Riddler's crimes before the finale, briefly giving up being Batman so he could get laid, and the fact that he's killing criminals left and right until he just randomly decides to stop after Two-Face (unless you count him more or less convincing Freeze to kill Ivy in the sequel). The less said about the villains, Robin, and Chase the better.

[@8razz13b]

Arnold was the only thing i remembered from Batman and Robin until i recently watched a review of it.

[@jsb8261]

I loved the Paddington movie, surprisingly enough.

[@pokerusdyami]

Why does Doug look like he's wearing eyeliner? Is this another Melvin situation...?

[@tord4336]

Maybe he just dresst as devilboner or something.

[@alexklepp6479]

Most likely because Tamara has posted pictures of her as Hyper Fan Girl and Doug as Devil Boner.

[@pokerusdyami]

ahh yes that makes sense

[@THGhost1337]

For me: The Dark Knight Batman 1989 Batman Returns Batman Begins Batman Forever The Dark Knight Rises Batman v Superman Batman and Robin Batman 1966

[@williamsalinas8834]

This was the first batman movie i saw as a kid. I only rewatch this film in memory of my grandfather. He and i would watch it together.

[@saltoftheegg]

Doug's eye makeup is on FLEEK

[@S.T.E.E.Z.Y]

Personally I think this is a bad movie but it’s on the same level as The Room where its flaws make it extremely entertaining to watch

[@DDHero2806]

If "Batman Forever" was released today i think people would LOVE it.

[@Paul91-]

Steve Strange Doug and Rob are actually right when it comes to the whole "Batman Forever is dated but at the same time is also strangely ahead of it's time" topic.

[@BlackCover95]

Dennis Reynolds The Golden God The theme would be relevant, but the campiness is horribly dated.

[@davidstone281]

This might actually be my favorite of your Real Thoughts/Sibling Rivalry videos. I was 3 when this movie came out but wasn't allowed to see it til I was around 7 or 8 ish and I loved it. Now that I'm 28, there's things in the film I still think are good and entertaining. As a whole, it's not "good" but it's not "bad" either. Me and my sister and cousins watched this movie a lot as kids. I agree with a lot of what you and Rob both say about this film though. The making of the all four films is actually kinda fascinating when you think about it. But the number one think that I agree with is what you guys said what Kevin Smith said about having a younger Robin. Chris O'Donnell was fine in Forever, don't get me wrong. But imagine if they did get the kid from Terminator 2. But like Rob said, Kevin Smith is dreaming. There's no way WB would've done it. They would've been too scared to piss off whiny parents. Especially after Batman Returns, which I seen at age 7 and was fine. Though it scared my little sister lol. Anyways, I went on longer than I should've but I still love the movie. Mostly as a guilty pleasure.

[@scottwolozanski8988]

The problem with Robin is no kid says, " I want to fight crime...next to Batman." We say we want to BE Batman.

[@arizonaFIREent]

scott wolozanski exactly.... no kid at the park in the 90s wanted to be Scottie Pippen everyone wanted to be Jordan same as B&R

[@Xehanort10]

In the comics Dick actually was Batman for a while when everyone thought Bruce was dead.

[@DocPrime88]

I don’t know if you guys have one already but you should do a podcast like this. Just turn this into a podcast haha. It’s really fun to just listen to you talk in depth about the movies like this outside the NC videos.

[@OakViewFilms]

Batman Forever, while it has a ton of problems, will forever hold a special place in my heart. It was the very first Batman film I saw in the theater, and it's what got my obsession with Batman started. Yes, the film is very flawed, but the stuff that works, REALLY works. Such as Robin's arc and the art direction ( though I will agree it doesn't fit in a Batman film). Overall, I really enjoyed BF, as I will Batman and Batman Returns. A solid trilogy of films in my eyes. Batman and Robin, on the other hand......

[@Teatime7771]

Why did they recast Val Kilmer anyway? George Clooney was so bad as Batman.

[@neffyboy]

I think Val Kilmer was working on another movie or something when Batman and Robin was filming.

[@scaredbi]

I heard he also fought with Schumacher but idk if that’s true. I think George Clooney’s main problem was bc of the script

[@SirJamesthePaul]

Schumacher actually went on to say something along the lines “Val Kilmer...that man has a mental illness.”

[@Lady_Yuna]

I think he wasn't available he was filming "The Saint"

[@Yogaji]

That moment when Rob knows Doki Doki and respects the Just Monika meme

[@michaelryall5752]

I first saw Tim Burton's Batman when I was 4 and I loved every minute of it. Looking back I remember thinking the Joker killings were either cool action (Think about the future!) or funny (the 10000 volt handbuzzer) so I guess I was a messed up kid. But this was my first exposure to Batman and became my standard for what was a great superhero and a good superhero film. So I loved the animated series, cried during Batman Returns, didn't care for the Schumacher films even as a kid when others did, and liked the Dark Knight trilogy.

[@evanzaremba4722]

You never like the three sequels to 1989's Batman? I'm really hurt.

[@angie_thompson237]

When I was little I thought this movie was so great because I was such a big Jim Carry fan but now....let’s just say that I’m gonna stick to Ace Ventura

[@heyitscj7726]

Angelina Thompson ALLLLLLLLLLL-RIGHTY THEN!

[@sarahwalter7198]

I can't watch these anymore. Doug never gets to talk he's always interrupted. WE WANT TO HEAR HIM

[@schlawa]

I about watched it the same time as it came out have to watch it again. :) Your "real thoughts" section is one of my favorite so plz continue it until forever :) Greets from Germany. Ps. Arnold in German is amazing although he is synchronized ^^

[@MarkWhippy]

It made the same mistake a lot of bad 90's movies made, it was trying to make wacky 90's cartoon humor work with live action. It just doesn't work. They have to decide if its going to be a wacky cartoon with wacky humor or an action movie, it can't be both. If this movie with the same plot was an animated movie, it would probably have been a good movie.

[@n543576]

HOLY SHIT! They saw Kevein SMith's Fatman on Batman comentary tracks! I swear I was thinking of it the entire time I watched the review and the real thoughts video very nice pull guys

[@MythicSuns]

opinions may differ on this, but for me I'd quite like to see a movie based in the world of Batman Beyond. I'm 39 episodes into the series and I'm honestly quite surprised that a Hollywood based studio can release a show that combines cyberpunk with Batman and yet doesn't think to make a live action movie out of it (preferably one with a director who can get it right)

[@thatjillgirl]

I have long wished that somebody would do this and cast Kevin Conroy as old Bruce. Hearing The Definitive Batman Voice in a live action Batman film would just be delightful.

[@MythicSuns]

it would be but that's not their only good option; honestly one of the best things they can do is hire someone different who can either impersonate Kevins portrayal of Bruce Wayne perfectly, or get someone who can add their own flavour to the character without ruining it, kinda like J.K Simmons did with J.Jonah Jameson in the Spider-man movies

[@thatjillgirl]

Well if you're going to hire someone else, I would definitely aim for a different persona/portrayal. Why impersonate Conroy perfectly when you could just hire Conroy?

[@anthonykarklus7683]

Me too sister!

[@cyborgninja5489]

Val Kilmer is a legend. Say whatever shit you want, like how he looks like a pumpkin or make fun of his throat disease or whatever, but only a class act film star could have the career he did and also play Batman. He did a decent job and this movie really isn't that bad. It's definitely entertaining.

[@JojokimVT]

The ´´Real Thoughts´´ series in a nutshell: Talking over each other

[@TheMrMojoRisin67]

Nice vid, guys. Just one minor quibble, though...from interviews with Joel Schumacher (on the "special edition" DVD released in 2005), apparently he had barely any creative control over Batman & Robin. The studio liked how much Batman Forever raked in, so they demanded "MORE OF THAT, PLEASE" from Schumacher. He actually wanted to make a darker Batman film as the next installment, but the studio insisted on more kid-friendly schlock as well as making the film more "toyetic." Schumacher recalls (from what I remember) that many costumes and props (vehicles included) ended up unfinished or shoddily thrown together because the studio would immediately rip the blueprints from under his nose to send to the toy company before his crew had a chance to finish construction. So, yeah, there was a lot of odd design choices by Schumacher, but a lot of it was encouraged by the people in charge at WB who had no idea how to create a creatively satisfying film, only toy commercials. And even then, they couldn't even manage that. I don't know what a darker Schumacher Batman movie would have been, but if we ended up with something like The Lost Boys, maybe we could have had something at least decent that wouldn't have killed the superhero genre for a brief time.

[@Teatime7771]

I think they should have gone with Jonathon Taylor Thomas or Edward Furlong for Robin because at the time he was at the right age to be Grayson.

[@Teatime7771]

He was not that bad. I guess at the time Jonathon Taylor Thomas would have been better or maybe Brad Renfro. Too bad River Phoenix died. He might have been great in the role at the time.

[@Nguyen1014]

I really want them to do a Nostalgia Critic review of TDKR

[@darkevilazn]

Best part of Dark Knight Rises was honestly JGL as robin. Everything else was meh.

[@LeeLeeBellePBJLee]

darkevilazn He was horribly underutilized. So disappointing. Him and Hathaway, it was like they were completely forgotten and shoved aside for characters I didn't care about or find interesting at all. I freaking hate that movie, so much wasted potential.

[@HajduDIGITAL]

The review and this was very therapeutic for me. I never knew what to think of this film back then.

[@Handington]

OH MY GOSH THEY KNOW ABOUT DOKI DOKI LITERATURE CLUB!!!

[@sergioguzman9736]

"Fuck Rachel. Rachel's Kentucky fried chicken, what you need to do is dress up like a bat." Probably the greatest thing I've heard in a long long while Lol

[@RoboBeastWarrior]

I grew up with Batman Forever and loved it. I was 5 when it came out, so it is dear to me (it was a major part of my earliest birthday party that I can remeber). I always still preferred the Burton films (which I had recorded off the TV at the same time so I was not ignorant of them), but Forever was really just a different flavor and not a bad flavor. I was also big into the Animated Series and the 1969 series at the same time, so really I appreciated the franchise as an all-encompassing universe and not as one "true" version with inferior imitations (that's a game for adult fans and not for children). That said, even though I wasn't really old enough for Batman & Robin to viscerally offend me when it came out, I knew that it wasn't that good. Looking back on Forever now, I still like it (especially the Bat-vehicles) and that probably will never change.

[@Petpatrol2]

Doug mentioning having the Oculus but not yet having tried the chat programs, followed by Robb making a Doki Doki reference. I WANT VIDEOS ABOUT BOTH THESE THINGS!!! ...And now I'm hoping to run into Doug one day while in VRCHAT or Altspace XD

[@vfxfan]

I really can't even be mad at Batman & Robin anymore either. For all its faults, it wasn't a poorly made movie, just a seriously misguided production. I think today, it's a worthy guilty pleasure like Judge Dredd.

[@thisinhumanplace2037]

“Racheals kentucky fried chicken” 😂😂

[@classmovie89]

This movie, funny enough, was actually the very first ever live action Batman movie I saw growing up in the 90s. I did see it in the theaters when it came out. I was already watching the animated series, and I did see Mask of the Phantasm as well, but I hadn't watched either of the Burton movies before this one. Only after seeing this, did I then watch the Burton movies and then realized they were both better than this one. Batman Forever does hold a special place in my childhood, but now that I'm older, it's still pretty bad. I'm not gonna deny that. Not Batman and Robin bad, but still bad compared to those before it and those after it. I'm so glad you guys reviewed it, I've been wanting to see what you guys thought about it for a long time. Thank you! :)

[@ajzeg01]

When I was a kid, I was most familiar with the Adam West show so I liked Batman Forever and Batman & Robin best and would watch them over and over. To this day, I’ve only seen Batman and Batman Returns once each.

[@greenmanatee3368]

Eh, I saw Batman Begins when I was only 8 and I was fine (same goes for Peter Jackson’s King Kong, Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith, and Harry Potter & the Goblet of Fire). In fact I fucking hated Batman & Robin when I first saw that movie just a few weeks after I saw Batman Begins. I asked my dad why it was so dumb and he said “it’s a comedy, I guess”, which I responded with “well it’s not very funny”

[@LadyOnikara]

Batman Forever is sort of like the Adam West show with modern special effects. It has the same sort of campy humor mixed in with action. Batman and Robin was the same.

[@grizzlywhisker]

i remember when the dark knight came out a lot of people didn't even realize it was the second movie, a lot of people i had talked to thought it was just a new batman movie and didn't even know about batman begins. it just says a lot about the size of that movie. when i saw batman begins there was only a few other people in the theater, may have just been the way it was here around detroit, but that was my experience.

[@isabelr3467]

For some reason, the funniest thing in this video is Doug calling Nora Fries' condition a "freeze disease"

[@thevirtuoso6168]

I love Val Kilmer as Bruce/Batman. In a serious Nolan style movie, it would have been epic.

[@evanzaremba4722]

And you're going to trend on Twitter for the Schumacher cut of Batman Forever.

[@dreamlandnightmare]

Tommy Lee Jones was probably complaining about Carrey's buffoonery behind the scenes.

[@chiefmac88]

The Two-Face from TDK was great. Too bad he only existed for like...12 minutes.

[@OmegaRockman]

I still love this movie. I also saw a fanedit called The Red Book Edition, which focused more on the psychological themes. I remember liking that edit a lot.

[@petewadesays12]

I work in a place where light signals are used to ask for product ( A newspaper ad production company) Today a lady used her light- and when I went to ask what she needed- she asked for my phone charger. "The Bat Signal isn't a pager" were the words that came out of my mouth. I know....sad lol.

[@Teatime7771]

With JGL in Dark Knight Rises, Nolan was trying to put a mix of all three robins in that character. He was a hot head like Jason Todd. He knew who Batman was as a kid like Tim Drake. The character had a little Grayson too.

[@LeeLeeBellePBJLee]

He was just so underutilized that it was very disappointing. Same with Hathaway, so much potential and it was like the two characters were forgotten about in the movie and instead the movie decided to focus on characters I didn't care about or find even remotely interesting.

[@Nguyen1014]

When they're talking about Michael Gough being a consistent Alfred through the 4 movies, I still love Michael Gough's Alfred, I also thought Jeremy Irons within the 2 movies that he's in, he felt like a Consistent Alfred too, when he's being sassy with Batman lol

[@hellboyrp6115]

It's a guilty pleasure. I was born in 96 so i was young when i first saw it. In fact it was my introduction to Two Face, he's my favorite DC villain.

[@Gakusangi]

Carrey's version of the Riddler reminded me a LOT of the Fank Gorshin Riddler from the Adam West show.