Pokemon Gold Hardcore Nuzlocke, but I can only use SHINIES?!

...This may have been a mistake.
Since around halfway through the original franchise nuzlocke series, I always had the thought in the back of my mind saying "You know what would be absolutely unhinged and hilarious? If we did this again with only shiny Pokemon." and the intrusive thoughts won. So here we are, Shiny Only Season 2 baby!
► I'll be streaming as much of this series as possible in my Shiny Franchiselocke Donothon right here on KZbin! Make sure to head over to the "Live" tab to check that out, enjoy the show, and help extend the timer! / @chaoticmeatballtv
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Rules of the challenge:
1. All encounters must be shiny Pokemon (HM users may not be shiny but are not allowed to be used for attacking in battle)
2. Fainting = Death
3. Can only catch one Pokémon on each Route (Species Clause)
4. Cannot use a species of Pokemon more than once in the franchise (regional variants are considered separate)
5. No items in battle (held items okay)
6. No leveling past the next gym leader/E4 (at the START of the battle)
7. Play on "Set" battle mode
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[@ChaoticMeatballTV]

Hey folks, I seem to have triggered some people during the Geodude/Jigglypuff debacle, but I got a really good explanation in the comments as to how I was wrong and hey, I'm man enough to admit when I just don't get something. Should've pointed out the person in question was also being a bit of a jackass in my chat beforehand and it was the tipping point, but I guess here we are lmao.

[@ABurntMuffin]

@@JokerInTheMarines ah yes, the old "you were wrong?!?!? DO BETTER" ChaoticMeatball is very sorry he's not the perfect exemplar of a human being we all expect and demand him to be

[@JoaoFerreira-pj1uc]

​​@@ABurntMuffinSure thing buddy, the KZbinr guy saying "sorry, BUT" is definitely not lame, and people should just blindly say everything is fine, no matter what. What can possibly go wrong with that? Not like he is even making fun of the situation by equating people explaining he is wrong with them being "triggered" by a "debacle" that only happened in the first place because he wouldn't listen. What a healthy apology that is.

[@mangosteak]

U lost a sub also please learn how the game works. U are making many many unecessary plays and risk crits all the time when you do not need to. Your Armorouge sweep against the scarlet and violet grass gym for example. At +1 you one shot all his mons bar sudowoodo which will survive 2 hits either way thanks to sturdy. Yet you choose to go to +6+6 for no reason.

[@Gaivs]

Good on you for listening to peoples comments and admitting you were wrong! I can imagine when you are doing this for *hours*, this kind of comment can feel very annoying, it can feel like they just want to be annoying on purpose, and at the same time I can imagine it was pretty frustrating for the chatter to try to explain what seemed obvious to them. I still think just quietly timing them out would've been the best solution, in these situations I feel like it is more important to have a nice environment to absolute truths. This isn't a maths lecture 😅

[@SteelixtheSteelersfan]

​@@mangosteakWhen do your nuzelock videos drop?

[@pimpingporygon7157]

Ok as much as i hate stats, the dude who said 90/10 was right

[@kinosmead4354]

Hi, I'm here to boost the ol' Al Gore Rhythm. The 90/10 Geodude/Jigglypuff encounter rate is literally just accurate. Base odds are 50/45/5, and you're rerolling the 50, but you're assuming that all instances of the reroll will land on Geodude, pushing you to 95/5 When in fact the reroll has the same odds. 50/45/5. If you're ignoring the 50, then your Non-percentile odds are 45/50 chance of Geodude, 5/50 chance of puff. When put into percentile, that's 90/10.

[@gimok2k5]

Yep, CM simply decided "all Rattata are now Geodude" for his math - which is simply not how math works. The other guy was absolutely correct.

[@ryanmurphy9068]

I... don't think you should have banned that dude. I'm pretty sure he was right. It's 90/10, not 95, 5

[@RenameJames]

But those rattata encounters don't magically turn into jigglypuffs. 90% of those ratatta encounters will be rerolled into geodudes, with only 5% rerolling into jigglypuffs (and the remaining 5% rerolling into additional ratatta encounters). So...the odds really don't change.

[@dead_vibes]

​@@RenameJamesit's fucking Pokemon.

[@gimok2k5]

@@RenameJames Except you just proved that they do. In 100 encounters, 50 are Rattata, 45 are Geodude, 5 are Jigglypuff. That much we all agree on. Then we take out the 50 Rattata ones, leaving a total of 45 Geodude, 5 Jigglypuff in 50 encounters total. And to get back to 100 total encounters, we basically double the non-rattata encounters and get... 90 Geodude, 10 Jigglypuff. So, yes, those Rattata encounters DO turn into 5% extra Jigglypuff and only 45% extra Geodudes.

[@mutevampire]

​@@RenameJamesnot... quite. 50% ratatta, 45% geodude, 5% jigglypuff means that 10/20 are rattata, 9/20 are geodude, and 1/20 are jigglypuff. Since rattata gets re-rolled, it becomes 10/20 reroll, 10/20 are encounters. Of the 10 encounters, 9/10 are geodude, 1/10 are jigglypuff. Of the 10 re-roll encounters, if for the sake of getting into needless mathematical complexity we skip through all further rerolls until an encounter is hit, 9/10 of those encounters will be geodudes, 1/10 will be jigglypuff. All told that means that 18/20 encounters will be geodes, simplifying to 9/10, and 2/20 will be jigglypuff, simplifying to 1/10. That's where the geodude becomes 90% and jigglypuff becomes 10% thing comes from. When 1/2 the encounters become re-rolls until a valid encounter is found, the effective encounter rate of all valid encounters doubles.

[@Legithiro]

@@RenameJamesthose rattata encounters also don’t magically turn into geodude, please take a statistics class

[@francis7336]

Imagine being so petty that you try to humiliate one of your followers but that only ends up in you making a complete fool of yourself because you were wrong all along lmao

[@antmiliano200]

It basically shows the person he is in real life. A massive flog without any friends. His diet was also pointless being pointed out at the start when it doesn’t change the fact he’s still a flop of a human

[@JoaoFerreira-pj1uc]

You were way off with your remark on the math to encounter Geodude or Jigglypuff. 90/10 *were* the correct odds, and you were just too tunnel visioned to understand it.

[@trevorsmith3116]

Nobody give dono’s till our boy is unbanned. If someone upsets you, ignore them. Bad look.

[@JayDee11300]

Imagine trying to humiliate a follower and calling them "a fucking moron" when they are actually right...

[@shiny1556]

Rip the Unown, it more than pulled its own weight this run.

[@andrewgreanias8811]

Damn, rip in peace to the guy who got banned because a streamer can't do basic math.

[@jnzooger]

Attitude has something to do with it.

[@RobertWilson-wm1ie]

The person in the chat was wrong through??

[@potatoqueen5248]

Well no. There's a 5% chance you encounter Jigglypuff, 45% on Geodude, and 50% from a funny second shiny Rat. That doesn't change. The odds that his encounter for the route was Jiggly is 10%, sure, but in terms of pure encounter odds, it's only 5%

[@neicosilkwood4978]

@@potatoqueen5248 I agree 100%

[@andrewgreanias8811]

@@potatoqueen5248 You would be technically right, except that if you go back and listen, CM specifically claimed that since rattata is a reroll that makes it "effectively" 95% chance of a gedude and a 5% of a jigglypuff, meaning he is explicitly talking about his odds of the encounter for the route and that math isn't mathing.

[@Flashbang_TV]

My theory on Faulkner having Mud-Slap was actually to try and introduce players to mechanics of bosses to come in a round-about way. Bugsy uses Fury Cutter which increases damage every time it hits (though scyther is hilariously immune to mudslap) and Whitney and her Rollout Milktank.

[@jamescameron-stuart2625]

Was watching you live and the fact you blew up and treated so many of your commentors like shit and even blocked 1 made me just not watch anymore. Especially since YOU were wrong in the first place. And now I'm not going to watch anymore of your content or follow if you treat fans like this. ESPECIALLY after so many people are agreeing that you were wrong in the comments

[@dead_vibes]

Banning someone over pokemon and math is pathetic on both people not gonna lie.

[@propandapower7633]

How is it pathetic too get banned for being right about math just because it related to Pokémon?

[@jwill294]

Bro CM literally replied in the comments he wished someone explained it to him LMAO what

[@j.b.5422]

its this channel, what do you expect

[@wesleyrobinson4532]

“Before facing Whitney, I made sure to edge my pokemon” Do you have an HR department I can call?

[@Rjthewolf]

i -really- wish he'd got the jigglypuff. would have been karma

[@wrocco8761]

I need to see the vod for the Geodude Jigglypuff encounter rate argument, I dont think I get it fully lol. Great vid as always

[@gimok2k5]

Short version: CM says that the 50%-Rattata/45%-Geodude/5%-Jigglypuff would cause all rerolled Rattata turn that into a 95%-Geodude/5%-Jigglypuff encounterrate - as rerolling the Rattata removes them from the pool, basically. The other guy stated that it's a 90%-Geodude/10%-Jigglypuff rate without Rattata. Then CM banned the guy - except the other guy was absolutely correct. If we remove Rattata from the pool, we get a 45/5 encounter-split. Which is a total of 50%, so to get it to 100, we need to double it, leaving it at 90/10. So, CM banned a guy for pointing a mistake that CM made and CM got way too big of an ego to admit he's wrong and banned him for it.

[@Iris_1217]

@@gimok2k5 Wait was that really it? Like, he didn't make a nuisance of himself, wasn't spamming chat, he just said "That math is wrong"? And got *banned*? Wow. Disrespectful.

[@tesladrew2608]

​@@Iris_1217he was being an asshat in Chat

[@ThatLovelyRose]

@@tesladrew2608 I made the ridiculous decision to watch the vod, and.. The dude really wasn't much of an asshat. Hell, dude gave $10 to CM while trying to explain the math, so if anything... Cha came off as a dick.

[@MillenniumBulbyTCG]

Been watching the streams and still missed parts lol glad to see both sides of the series!

[@Telawin]

"tell me how absolutely insane I am for deciding to do this again" it's so funny you said that right then as I was just thinking that... best of luck with the rest of this. I'm excited to see how this goes

[@ganghouse2080]

cool series. will be keeping an eye out for these vids keep it up!

[@antoinepolnareff8970]

Holy shit, Gen 11 is gonna be launch before you finish Gen 9 one

[@jacksonhartley4841]

Bro’s math is bafflingly wrong

[@aidanpickard5516]

I think you doing this series is abolutely insane. I love your dedication for this project and I wish you the best of luck with these tedious shiny hunts.

[@lane7351]

Honestly banning somebody for argument about math is pretty Petty I don't know how the chat works but isn't there some way to just meet them so they can't comment without banning them

[@jnzooger]

It wasn’t about the math, it was about his attitude.

[@bubberducky1126]

The hunt for piss rat feels like it was just yesterday. 😅

[@zacharydreis7939]

This is too funny. As I was watching this I was playing inclement emerald and I got my like 3rd ever shiny, an Aipom out of a tree! Was just trying to collect my Occa berries 😃

[@chillfailure]

"i will disrespect u" -lugia- lmaoooo

[@IronWolf123]

Congrats for hitting 200k!

[@knightgale2120]

That unknown is like bon clay, right into the end

[@billyfaulk6789]

CM: I’m the greatest gamer alive! God: I see you need a good humbling. *enter hopip*

[@megananderson7454]

I just imagined you swinging a Bayleef corpse against a tree…much the the horror and concern of the wild Pokémon from the tree.

[@KeViNMCMXXCIX]

Shiny Franchise Nuzlocke hype. 💯 Some hunts took sooo many encounters holy crap. 😆

[@user-nl2wo6mf4q]

yikes, the last time I tried to give your channel a chance was during the legends arceus nuzlocke when you went off on your fans for a stupid reason (pretty sure you were complaining about how long the videos take and how your fans were asking too much of you, but i could be wrong) and overreacted, and now here i am trying to give you a 2nd chance and you do the exact same thing again with the stupid geodude/jigglypuff argument. I honestly don’t understand why you left that in the video, and you banning a follower for being right in the first place because you can’t handle being wrong or you’re unwilling to take critique is not a good look. it seems like you can’t let things go and that you have to be right every time because you put yourself on a moral high-ground compared to your followers. you’ll never grow as a channel if you keep this up and frankly i’m not surprised that you’ve lost so many followers

[@laurasanya]

He thinks he's some big hotshot Pokétuber and has an inflated ego. I'm curious how many subscribers did he lose after this video XD

[@rb4734]

Shine bright like a.... meatball

[@Vuallum]

Awww yeaaah, insanity speedrun any%

[@tpfoxCastro]

People when a random person makes a mistake: Oh, ok People when a KZbinrTM makes a mistake: You shall be executed!

[@nolanway303]

Hey, I was here for some of the streams 🙂

[@howdytherestranger2139]

Finals have me beat, I’m so hyped to be able to watch streams again soon aaaaa (boosting the algorithm with the comment lmao)

[@captaingabriel]

Omg my fan art made it into the video!

[@thebluegrookey1127]

are either of those 2 challenges the ultra sun and moon professor oak challenge? nobody has ever done one and I am desperate to see one!

[@michaelspisak2644]

you should do the franchise nuzlocke but in reverse

[@RB-ur8du]

Man was ho oh long.(hoppip was longer)

[@Bigfox3v]

Was that a Whose Line reference? You called Sneasel an Ice Hole. XD

[@robplaysstuff6029]

20:15 holy shit that impression was spot on. You sound like Brian Drummond

[@zackawa3510]

Almost missed this video cause the thumbnail was so close to the stream thumbnail haha

[@ChaoticMeatballTV]

That's something I'm trying to keep separate by only using in-game sprites on the streams and TCG art altered with shiny colorations for the video thumbnails. I kept the first video's thumbnail in a very similar vein to how Season 1 worked so that people knew what it was but hopefully it works out. If not, I'll figure something else out.

[@filiporvik2782]

Calling Ho-Oh Lugia is pretty funny.

[@josephbloom2074]

Ngl I'd rather see the regular videos than the Suffering Franchiselocke

[@ChaoticMeatballTV]

Make sure to check out the streams since I'm doing the ENTIRE series live here on KZbin, your support determines whether this series is able to continue or not! kzbin.info/www/bejne/maiygIGmp8yKbLc

[@ABurntMuffin]

congrats on losing the weight but damn did you piss some people off with how flippantly incorrect and virtuous you were with that simple maffs 200 iq engagement ploy? or actual mistake and double down, who knows? hilarious either way

[@dariofagotto4047]

Worried for what will happen on the alolas 👀

[@NerdAndAHalf_]

unown's death hit me hard. true mvp of the team...

[@princefamilyfun6440]

The polyrath had my luck with dynamic punch

[@animasuffers1595]

I haven't been tuning into the streams but the dedication to this insanity is incredible and definitely deserves more attention

[@KevinHosley]

48:38 Hey I know that guy!

[@tpspeed]

Dark cave flashing lights ahhhhhh

[@zyairejones1820]

17:06 Gosh Darn that Miltank.

[@CecilNyx]

Really enjoyed the original franchiselocke, my only issue with this is how long it'll take for each video, but good luck. Potential idea for a season 3. Randomized encounters. Maybe add something like no new encounters unless you have space in your party to make it a little easier to have possible encounters while adding the difficulty that you have less choice in your active team without a sacrifice.

[@forest2517]

I’m have to come watch stream this is very close to the prof oak shiney challenge I wanted to see

[@jordang4998]

Unknown was hanging in there bro

[@zyairejones1820]

1:36 Yeah I'm good That's a hard pass for me.

[@Kahvinporo]

It's SO FUN to watch this video even after seeing these events happen during livestream.

[@thereef2786]

This was such a fun series of streams to sit through now. You my guy are a legend for making this series come alive, now let's get through silver and crystal!!!!!

[@Mut4ntG4m3r]

its gold, I will give it a go :D

[@CentimeterPeter1]

I was in the live streams lol

[@letsfailgaming9850]

I'm actually curious when you get to gen 3 will you use the speed runner stats/ACE method of finding a shiny when you get to it? 33:12 CHAOTICMEATBALL YOU MADLAD!!!

[@thes7984]

I'm so glad I was on the streams while he did it. After all streams watching this video it's like a huge "well done job". It's different the feeling of watching the final video after seeing all the struggle he had during the streams. For all of you out there that are not watching the streams come see them form time to time and leave a like, the effort this man is putting on this series is titanic.

[@sleepi866]

i think it would be cool if the sprites in the team boxes were from the game youve played, like, instead of the 3d sprites in this game, they were the gen 2 shiny sprites. great vid tho, i caught most of the streams.

[@bukkij40]

24:51 the Pokemon speedrunning community has actually lovingly named this a Gen 2 Miss cuz it's funny that a supposedly 100% chance to lower your speed doesn't happen because of a 1 and 4 chance that the AI doesn't get the drop

[@royalflush893]

I love reliving the the stream it's amazing

[@Goatman31]

The bad math and thanking a non existent fairy tale creature for getting a shiny are absolute top tier cringe

[@Sakoura117]

How did your graveler become a golem isnt that a trade evo?

[@auroraaddison9904]

I've been watching the streams; he was stuck on hoppip for so long

[@RenameJames]

Honestly, I thought this second video would take a lot longer.

[@raiynen]

i'm wondering what'll happen the first time he finds a duplicate shiny.

[@ChaoticMeatballTV]

...that already happened in this video lol

[@theburningfalcon974]

Dont worry mate. Everyone's insane in there own way. Just some of us are not open with it You are clearly very open with it, and im all here for it, lol

[@nesradub360]

*their own way

[@crustg-g1002]

what if you did this again, but you can only use pokemon you didnt use the first time around?

[@sam-ACE-rothstein]

This was definitely a run so many ups and downs Im glad i was part of it

[@Yuki7536]

I'll do a shiny only, on livestream if I reach 50 subs

[@mr.mimikyu2342]

Youre insane for doing this and congrats on losing 100 pounds

[@nickthebeardedwonder]

Ah this was cool until you got all the math wrong and hated on the guy for it. The 10% jigglypuff was correct. You won't take the rat so 45% geodude plus 5% jigglypuff only makes 50%. When scaled it's a 90/10 split.

[@sonofapollo2874]

If the normal Franchiselock had a shiny clause the Shiny Franchiselocke should have a non-shiny clause, if you encounter a non-shiny version of a shiny mon in your party you can catch and change it

[@filiporvik2782]

Anyone know if he's planning on keeping these shiny pokemon?

[@nightshade545]

dude, how are you able to concentrate for this long

[@wesleyrobinson4532]

Played by rollout twice

[@darkfire1234]

Good video ❤

[@BidoofGod101]

Great video as normal Meatball

[@vasilykalugin6129]

I'm not positive, but when you said icy wind has a 99.6% chance to lower speed, I think that only applies to the player. I think the AI has a debuff on this. Not sure on the exact numbers though

[@TheLucarioMaster-uw4fb]

You should do a professor oak challenge for pokemon trashlocke edition

[@Codename_Apocalypse]

0/8 hp 2/3/6/7/10/11/14/15 atk 10 def 10 spc 10 spe

[@xandrael88]

Maybe I don't understand the nuzlock rules but why were you allowed to use the duplicate geodude? I know it was from another route but I thought that was the point of the duplicate clause was so you couldn't use multiple of powerful mons and force you to use mons you wouldn't normally use?

[@laurasanya]

dupes are optional, not mandatory. You can CHOOSE to reroll your encounter, doesn't mean you HAVE to, and shinies clause usually overwrites dupes clause

[@TwitchWo1ney]

1 word cha... INSANE!

[@kafeba3]

You are a true savage sir

[@HyruleanMyth]

Piss drawer. 🎉

[@Jawbreaker8k]

I really enjoy this, and applaud your commitment to this challenge. Your dedication is valued greatly

[@TheTorianShow]

Someone explain to me how can I trade evolve by myself ?

[@noone2442]

The Pokemon Randomizer has an option for it that you can use on your rom

[@zachpro5475]

16:24 foreshadowing

[@nickthebeardedwonder]

Sub par nuzlocker. Never considers crits and misses. He won't finish the series.

[@bentleyplays-ox4bl]

Hello

[@MrSimen132]

I'm sorry but I straight up did not watch the video as soon as you mentioned "keto diet" in the introduction. As someone who has struggled with disordered eating I was just triggered. Sorry, sir.

[@ABurntMuffin]

oh god the snowflakes want trigger warnings for food now...

[@MrSimen132]

@@ABurntMuffin no, I just don't want diet talk thrown in my face in a pokemon video. There's a time and place, this is neither

[@ABurntMuffin]

@@MrSimen132 that's too bad. Wanting the world to conform to you instead of just nutting up and not doing things you don't want is part of not being a snowflake.

[@MrSimen132]

@@ABurntMuffin I agree to a certain extent. However, entertainment, like Pokemon videos on KZbin serves as a place of comfort and escapism to me. Nutting up and doing things I don't want is something I do on a daily basis, and I agree it's important to be able to do so. But again, must this apply to literally every aspect of life? I just want some Pokemon shiny nuzlocke for an hour to decompress without having to keep thinking about struggles that I otherwise spend every waking moment combatting. If that makes me a snowflake, then so be it. Wanting the world to conform to you is natural, who wouldn't want that? It's not realistic, I know that, but having to accept everything that comes your way regardless of everything is just annoying. Nutting up and ignoring things does not make you strong, it just makes you devoid of emotion.

[@ABurntMuffin]

@@MrSimen132 fair points, but to that last one, I didn't say nutting up and ignoring things makes you strong, I didn't say nutt up and ignore things at all. I said nutt up and don't do things you don't wanna do. If his videos make you unhappy in any way, then don't watch them. Yes, as you said, having to accept everything that comes your way regardless of everything IS just annoying. C'est la vie.

[@ZygonCannar]

Are you just making up the rules as you go? Maxing out shit in PKhex here, reusing Gravler when you already killed it because it was a 'dupe', using a fucking box legendary. I also really dislike this constant attention to your livestream, maybe the people saying this was a shit idea were right if that's how this has to be done.

[@ChaoticMeatballTV]

A) Using PKHex is with math of KOing Level 2 Pidgeys on Route 29 to expedite the process. The shiny hunting already takes a long time. B) Graveler was never used in battle, only Geodude and Golem. It was obtained in a different area than my initial Geodude and I didn't have another encounter in Dark Cave, so that's fair game as ALL Pokemon can be used once in the series, hence why I saved Graveler for later, it just so happened to be later in this game. C) If I'm willing to shiny hunt a legendary, I should be allowed to use it. D) The livestreams are the reason this series can continue, otherwise it's too much of a time commitment for not enough of a payoff. Hope that helps you understand everything going on. Can't really count on more than 1 hand the amount of people who have said this was a bad idea so it's clearly not.

[@jnzooger]

Imagine this guy watches the silver or Crystal video. Multiple copies at once, rng manipulation, bots. Yet all within the initial rules.

[@jackashmore]

Same people who are upset that jackass got banned are the same people who say fast food workers should be treated with respect, dude was acting like a jerk whole stream.

[@GMtheTurtle]

Stats comments are gonna boost the video like crazy so unintentional dub for CM