Charging ID4/ID3 82 & 62 kWh vs e-tron 55 and EQC

[@medilyesoudhini7411]

Bjorn is like baaawws speaking faster than those auction house announcers

[@jannetapio23]

The real question is, how long does it take to add 100km / 200km / 300km / 400km of real world range. Bjørn we need a new sheeeeeet for this!

[@jannetapio23]

@@Arpedk we need a sheet that has all the cars in it, with 100/200/300/400km columns.

[@tymanot]

Thanks for the Video Björn. Very useful comparison.

[@jannetapio23]

@@abraxastulammo9940 interesting sheet. Wonder where the data comes from. Based on Bjørn's and Kyle's tests, the sheet does not correlate very well with the Mach E for example.

[@AriesT1]

Björn is in full Starcraft 2 mode in these videos. 200 words per minute. Nice.

[@bjornnyland]

My APM is like a pro.

[@scratchy996]

He can get a job as a South American football commentator :)

[@MortenB0]

Yes, I guess Bjørn could sell all 4 cars before this video was over if this was an auction !

[@TheGourmetSnapper]

Long term subscriber here. With all the effort you put in to making these videos for the EV community and prospective EV buyers you deserve to have many more subscribers. I also think you would do well to offer some merchandise (EV friendly / sustainable), even if only for a limited time. Those TB catchphrases need to be seen in print; e.g. "What is this?" (with a picture of a towing hook) or "Like A Boss!" and perhaps "Oh Sheeeeit", and not forgetting "Yo, watts up?"

[@naatdd492]

We now need to see a race between e-tron vs ID.4 82kWH

[@Kaldoran]

Please more of these charging videos. This was super funny and entertaining 🤣. E-Tron is really a charging monster.

[@marcel151]

We need a more efficient car from Audi with e-tron charging curve. Would be a boss!

[@SirHackaL0t.]

You seem to be in the sweet spot, hog heaven... Lots of cars available to you as required. I’m so jealous right now. :) The joys of working hard have paid off.

[@matemayer4850]

Nice new more aerodynamic haircut!

[@sisandor]

Björn doing charge comparison like an auction! 😂😂👌

[@pbluschke]

What a battle! And the best is: Björn! Thanks a lot for this!

[@fairfax888]

This video sounded like a horse racing commentary LOL

[@electricguy109]

Here in Canada, we are only getting the ID.4 with the 82kWh (77kWh usable). That charging session was really impressive as after 30 minutes, you already have a lot of kWh to do another 200-250km. After driving 300km, you need to take a pause so a quick charge of 30 minutes and boom (50kWh added), you can drive again 2-3 hours.

[@tzarcoal1018]

The new Mercedes EQS can add 200-300 km in 15 Minutes and has a range (WLTP) of 770km!! At least that is what they state, the car is not officially out yet so there are no Real World tests. If that is true, the car has absolutely zero disadvantages over a fossil car. The future is electric and the future is pretty cool.

[@anderslaursen5810]

It’ll be interesting to see if the 800v architecture of the Ioniq 5/EV6 will perform similar to the e-tron

[@scratchy996]

@@Psi-Storm The Taycan is supposed to get 350KW charging enabled this year, at least that's what Porsche said at launch.

[@scratchy996]

@@abraxastulammo9940 2021 isn't over yet. 200KW is optional.

[@MortenB0]

Great charging video, the only thing I could think of that would make it better (since charging to 100%) is to add a middle time over each charging session at 80%. Since that is a typical target for many, and because most car manufacturers have 10-80% in their data sheeeet.

[@etenold]

Would be great to see ID4 compared with Mach-e and Polstar

[@kompost1]

Maché chrushes it(self) above 80% SoC with current charging curve. Only reason anyone would be willing to wait that long is cause science

[@tzarcoal1018]

Polestar 2 is 0-80 in 40 minutes, a bit slower than the rest, Mach-E is slow, i think like 50 minutes.

[@Generation-E]

Yes, Bjørn had an appointment with a haircutter...👍🏻 Very interesting Video! Greetings from Hamburg / Germany. 👋 Frank / Generation - E

[@Team_8x]

Mach E comparison would be interesting

[@scottwills4698]

Mach E is slow at the moment. I’m sure it will improve.

[@JohnDoe-vx3z]

That would be an excessively long video past 80%

[@thomaseriksson3182]

Nice new haircut💪 and cool contest👍 Thanks.

[@darkphotonbarcode]

That CLEAN hair cut!

[@shockwave1xD]

Will you test ID.3 77kWh as well? Could be really interesting for 1000km challenge

[@janryznar5142]

This video was shooted in ID.3 77 kWh. So, we can expect upcoming tests (can't wait :-)

[@shockwave1xD]

@@janryznar5142 oh, I seem to have missed that. Thanks

[@JPetr94]

@@shockwave1xD 1000km challenge tomorrow kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJOrp6J7jLB4ncU

[@jvdeijkel]

Interessanter Vergleich

[@visionmodernclassics3062]

Im always astonished how bad the publicity of the EQC in the press is compaired to its objective attributes/performance. Yes its not perfect at all, but it still can keep up with the New ID4

[@danielsamuelsen611]

Could you test the BMW IX3 charging curve?

[@kevinvisser6538]

How does this compare to Tesla 250kW charging?

[@HaDroN9810]

The etron is so much better then the EQC in my opinion. Greetings from Germany✌️

[@HakanWilke]

It would have been interesting to see the charging time difference to add for example 300 km in range. Which would be, in my very rough calc, at 77%/83%/91%/81%.

[@HakanWilke]

It took ID4 and Etron 33min, ID3 37min and EQC 39min.

[@HakanWilke]

@@Psi-Storm 300 was just an example of range this cars could go on a charge from 10%.

[@aasmundtalleraas5029]

Bjørn, you should update the E-tron 55 with the lates model with upgraded electromotor and a bit more batterysize increased. About 86,4kwh

[@bjornnyland]

The charging time is more or less the same.

[@TDIPOWER2209]

@Bjorn Nyland New hair cut 👍

[@JohnDoe-vx3z]

9:00 conversely, a big bigger battery takes less time for the same range.

[@venti4268]

I would like to see charging sessions for different cars where you show the range vs time. 5,10,15,20,25,30 min etc and the respective range from different start point. For instance one curve for 10% start, another for 20% start etc and the time i takes to charge 50,100,150 km etc. Thats the kind of calculations you seem to make on trips and it could just be a table or graph you can look at for each car. For instance if you arrive at a 150 KW charger with id.4 at 10% battery - and you have 150 km before you arrive at the destination where you can charge overnight - for how long do you have to charge? And if the car was and EQC - how long will that one take etc....

[@danielardelian2]

Looking at 08:40, all cars seem to have an average charging speed (power) of approximately 0.95 C from 10% to 100%.

[@xgear76]

Hello Björn, a good app like scan my tesla for Audi Etron?

[@kamalsvideos7827]

Can you please test the BMW IX3?

[@salemyr]

I bet he wasn't planning to until you asked just now!

[@kamalsvideos7827]

There is no harm in asking😉

[@seb.]

ID4 52kWh get similar range than Etron, but not the charging stops will take longer

[@iowa_don]

Bjorn calls a horse race - er - charging race! 😂😂😂

[@BuleuMarius]

Nice haircut.

[@alexandru-florea]

Regarding the range of the ID3 and ID4, please mention that both cars have heat pump. The difference between with or without heat pump is unfortunately higher than anybody expects.

[@NORWAYORNOWAY]

Conspiracy warning: Is it possible that the German manufacturers in a consortium are agreeing to these equal but different metrics? Seems to be certain use cases for each vehicle, but overall very similar range per charging time..? (Of course the suggested possibility of VW enabling 170kw would give the MEB vehicles a big edge in this equation.)

[@yt_tdb]

Hi Bjorn, I have an ID3 with 58kw battery and VW recommends charge state between 20% and 80%. Tesla uses 90% limit and Audi recommends 25-80% charge state. Why doesn't vw follow tesla's example? Tesla has more expierence with batteries so why not? (Sometimes they both use LG battery cells)

[@tzarcoal1018]

"Why doesn't vw follow tesla's example? Tesla has more expierence with batteries so why not? (Sometimes they both use LG battery cells)" Ehhmm, not so simple, there is much more going on, the chemical composition of the cells, the battery managment etc etc, just becuse they share one supplier(out of many other) does not mean their battery packs the same way. Aslo with Lithium cells, the basic rule is, too low bad, too high bad, i don't know why why Tesla says nothing against low state of charge. In General you can see that, that Tesla is a bit more carefree with therir approaches, like those crazy high peak volatages.

[@Mekuso8]

So where's the actual charging curve? This video could, and should, be summarized in a single picture

[@TheAShkins]

Would be great to test this on 50kw chargers (in some countries these are the most common)

[@danedane6613]

You can do the calculation yourself. You know the net battery size, you know at what percentage they throttle below 50 kWh charging speed, and you can now roughly calculate the numbers for yourself 😀

[@TheAShkins]

@@danedane6613 yes, of course, but we still need some other parameters, like the Voltage of the battery pack, the maximum Ampers the charger can give out (50kw chargers usually can give out some 125A, so to reach 50kw charging the battery pack should be at least 400V, if it is 360V (i3) or 350V (id4 with small and big battery, it will charge slower. If it's id4 with mid battery pack 394.2V (nominal), it will reach 49.2kw charging. But the battery pack voltages is not so easy to find

[@kompost1]

Agreed that comparing the charging curve @50kW is important. The shortcoming of battery & inverter architecture, losses aso impacts more than one is to expect. As an Audi55 owner, we get close to 50kW upto 95%. Butt, you stay the fsck away from 50kW chargers unless you're shopping/eating or traveling in HPC nomans land aka Nord-Norge/artic circle. It's not just because of time; if your car can take 150+kW, many HPC networks payment model incentives you to get it over with quickly, so you can be on your merry way, and the queing Taken can charge at 58kW 🤪

[@TheAShkins]

@@abraxastulammo9940 at least enyaq has 55, 62 and 82kwh packs available in our local distributors pricelist, id4 is preconfigured only at this moment, but I think this will change in a few months

[@zunzea]

Looks like vw learned a thing or two from tesla, well done.

[@muhammadirfanataulawal7630]

I think all VW charging strategy is based on e-tron charging curve. Not peaked very high like Tesla but rather sustain moderate to high charge power for longer time

[@wizard1701a]

I like my etron, but it is ageing quiet fast.

[@kompost1]

As in battery degradation, gray hairs or you not liking it as much as before, cause them sassy new BEVs with tighter boots?

[@wizard1701a]

@@kompost1 Please don't misunderstand me, I am still very happy with the etron but I got it last August and only have the 50 version. When you see the current possible ranges and better platforms, it becomes clear that the etron is on an old platform. Nevertheless, I like driving the car extremely.

[@tzarcoal1018]

@@wizard1701a Q4...thats the new good shit.

[@massimilianozaramella9628]

Very interesting!

[@casperthomsen9536]

Compare range rather than SoC.

[@bjornnyland]

Not always possible. And I explained in the beginning why I compare the two ID battery sizes.

[@victorc.979]

Bmw iX3?

[@kompost1]

5 years too late to the party!

[@ohutchie]

ID.4 charging curve seems very similar to the one in my Model 3 SR, except with a lower peak. Mine does 170kW from 10-15%, 150kW at 25%, 95kW at 50%, and 55kW at 80%. It'll probably be almost identical if/when they unlock the full 170kW capability, and with very similar real-world range too.

[@tzarcoal1018]

how long does your SR charges 0-80?

[@ohutchie]

@@tzarcoal1018 0-80% in a bit less than 25 minutes

[@SamuraiTacos1]

e tron was a boss damn

[@anthonyc8499]

Gotta see ID4 vs Mach-E.

[@hampuskallin3565]

Bratwurstwagen❤️

[@kasmopaya2676]

With Salzschmutzfest!

[@SamuraiTacos1]

some one should make a rap beat video of bjorn speaking words lol

[@RoteLars]

The tiny ID4 battery will cap on max 50 kW for the cheapest car.

[@AndrewNC22]

They just need to put efficient motors and improve aerodynamics on the E-tron. Easy-peasy. ⚡⚡⚡

[@JPetr94]

Schweinsteiger....Goal! 😂

[@anthonyparrott4826]

Slow down mate🤪

[@lutzs.1412]

E-tron had an Update beginning 2020 and has 86.x useable capacity since.

[@pawelzebrowski683]

E tron is the biggest car

[@RandomYoutuber234]

COMMENTATING LIKE A BAUOS

[@berndgrabitz]

Funny

[@malikcatic5606]

1st

[@Reaperguy67]

It's not the Daytona 500 by the way.