Chatting w/ Kraut - Departnering, Vaush, Online Politics, and More

[@zapdoshoes]

This dude sounds like some lost traveler that tells you a story in Skyrim 😂

[@DuoXCity]

Yeah, I'd like to Dragon Shout him about as much too. If this is what Destiny's fans consider a good take, then his fans are lost to reason.

[@MaglaMach]

@@DuoXCity soy vaush fan

[@MentalDawg]

To me he sounds like Thor (Chris Hemsworth) sometimes.

[@crackhead898]

@@MentalDawg sounds more like Colossal to me

[@Solrac-fo2eq]

He used to be an anti-sjw until he took an L to the knee

[@lucasparham5068]

"Mexican Nicholas Guy" is the best way ever to describe Nick Fuentes.

[@SeruraRenge11]

@zorbas091 I don't know why it bothers them so much, it's not like he hides his last name or even lies with something like "I'm Spanish, I'm still European"

[@mayman4255]

@Mr Olonzo Ayy if fuentes is white that means we can welcome our mexican brothers who want to cross the borders,Those based groypers are also much taller than the manlet beta male nick.

[@mayman4255]

@Mr Olonzo Saw your message in the notifications but it got deleted, Anyways the immigrants serve a completely different function than citizens,There are jobs where citizens excel and there are jobs where immigrants excel, It's an incredibly complex subject.

[@juliocastellanos9887]

Yall are weird using mexican as an insult

[@Snobbishbumpkin]

@zorbas091 yes you are. Its kind of weird he is still mostly white and he used the mexican as if he called him a mudblood. Mexican get no love even from Germans damn.

[@dictatorbargo3689]

Kraut is one of the few KZbinrs that I really respect. I don't agree with all of the things he says but I truly respect the amount of work he pours into his projects.

[@drewan6591]

Vowsh

[@sobertowelie3267]

Then I guess you won't respect him anymore for the hours of work he deleted from his channel in the meantime.

[@ruthvik8913]

@@sobertowelie3267 he did?

[@lukasw689]

@@sobertowelie3267 dumb ass comment😂😂

[@ddandymann]

@@sobertowelie3267 If anything I respect him more for that. He's been introspective about his anti SJW days and has decided a lot of the stuff he put out then was either in poor taste or just wrong and has deleted it rather than leave it up and continue to monetise it.

[@TheCookix]

Around 15:00 Kraut just completely lied about Hunter. If you watch his video on his transformation, you can see that it didn't happen "in a day", but that he was actually going through a lot of personal stuff, such as getting back with his Ex-Girlfriend (which caused him to reevaluate a lot of his way of thinking), as well as becoming a father. I mean what is Krau trying to say here? That you can't change your opinions if you mature unless you're a hack. That's quite telling of him, considering how he himself made a video where he portrayed refugees in Germany causing massive arson-attacks when in reality most of them were cooking-fires. He also completely misrepresented his Alt-Right-enabling Videos during his "Anti-SJW"-time.

[@MriMakeTrouble]

Bulls For Life u big mad?

[@bryanchu5379]

Conservatives: "I'm conservative" Libs and lefties: "Nooo being conservative is bad here are some good arguments for why you should not be conservative" Conservatives: "Oh shit you're right I never considered things from that perspective. I am now no longer conservative" Libs and lefties: "Nooo you used to be conservative you're a grifting piece of shit"

[@Sekata_1]

Yeah the point of that video was to show that accidental cooking fire are considered arson.

[@joncolumbino744]

14:52 Nick “25% spanish but actually 91% white” Fuentes would not be happy being called “mexican nicholas”

[@shaneg4388]

His dna test says 79%

[@joshuamichael2463]

He said His Hispanic dna is from Spain, and Spain is in Europe lol that’s crazy🤣

[@jasoncreamer5747]

He calls himself Mexican American. Sometimes he calls himself an afro Latino. Lol

[@NosFurRotToo]

Jon Columbino wtf is white? A Serb Pol Brit or is it italic frank Celt or Nord? The ambiguous, meaningless word “white” you mainly hear out of untraveled Americans

[@joesh4098]

His dna results showed like 6% Spanish. He has more indigenous Mexican (15%) than Spanish lol.

[@luciusviii1553]

There is something so unnatural about krauts voice it's like he's got a weight on his chest.

[@markesssssss]

I'd assume he, as a non-native speaker, has to concentrate a bit more to talk english freely. His voice is different in his videos.

[@firebreathercat133]

He's German

[@MrKiingpin]

@@markesssssss it's also 3 am where he is and he sounds tired af

[@Ruby_Spacek]

He sounds like the “why is it spicy” meme lmao

[@coolcrafterlp9872]

@@MrKiingpin this

[@johndough6225]

vaush bad Edit: Ayyyy top comment. Anyone remember how Destiny didn't cut off ties with, or really comment at all about his good buddy harkdan taking part in Vaush's permaban from Twitch, which he also publicly gloated about for months? Yet Destiny expected Vaush to break up with his girlfriend and kick out his roommate for merely suggesting he violated TOS? I 'member.

[@stanleyyelnats4325]

Vaush sad:(

[@daemorax21]

So brave

[@AnimeFan9833]

vowsh worse

[@jasandrea7034]

🤴Destiny>vaush👴

[@MD-gz7ns]

destiny bad man who said n word grrr

[@Ruby_Spacek]

In regards to Hunter, I think he’s genuinely changed his views. Young people are stupid and the best of them eventually wise up. My own views have changed drastically over my lifetime as I got older/learned more.

[@seanmcmanus2777]

Hunter seems to have a shallow view of politics and is easily swayed.

[@vicentegodoy5493]

@@seanmcmanus2777 AKA most of the political content consumers of youtube, i would know as i am 16.

[@hasteovertrample2483]

“Caring and watching political streamers means you have nothing in life.” -Destiny 2020

[@HenceMan]

Damn this hits

[@DuoXCity]

More reason to ditch this clown. Him and Dore are cringe chefs, I hope youtube bans this silly little twerp next.

[@Octavian2]

@@DuoXCity You want people to be banned? You're cringe bro.

[@YoungGzBlitz]

Drew!

[@adamtrott78]

@@Octavian2 jimmy dore is a bit insane though.

[@greyhound4204]

kraut sounds like he is taking a crap but struggling with that

[@mrgaudy1954]

He's got to the point where he's been sitting there so long he's sliding about on a thin veil of sweat

[@TheSandwichmann]

I ate a really good sandwich today, hope you all get to eat a really good one as well!

[@thekycklingwizard78]

My body my choice

[@tintintb1980]

I just finished one thanks. Ham and cheese toasted sandwich. Added some Marmite for an extra kick!

[@mandlor7503]

Thanks, sandwich man

[@wowman542]

Thank you , just had a good ham and cheese sandwich with some cookies ☺️

[@TheSandwichmann]

Will Riker I will take this criticism into consideration, but today I had a turkey club sandwich with potato chips on the side

[@zoruxma]

definitely love the new kraut. He talks a lot about history and geopolitics!

[@nwsvoid7356]

So funny how people can justify his doxxing ring and other crimes still. Just really shows kraut could do literally anything and you guys would still defend him.

[@YAQSW100]

@@nwsvoid7356 wasn't it proven that the doxing accusations where wrong? EDIT: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3q1YaCcgq2krq8 but i guess the alt right can tell any lie and people will believe it

[@ookook1331]

@@nwsvoid7356 funny how people just believe what they Wanna believe from whatever their group feeds them

[@chuckecheese5251]

@@YAQSW100 yup somebody broke that story :p

[@DuoXCity]

I only need this chat to know Kraut is a moron. Vaush is the Sargon of the left? I mean, I'd be fucking embarrassed if I said something so stupid in front of an audience. Sounds like these two are triggered that Vaush is a King and they're nothing but plebs.

[@RH-po4gr]

This dude sounds like he's dying

[@beastmodecowboy209]

R H he did say it was like 3:12 am at the time so probably just tired voice

[@RH-po4gr]

@@beastmodecowboy209 and the coughing tho

[@Roguecjb]

@@beastmodecowboy209 He has super aids.

[@jackofmanycolors4694]

The attempt on his life has left him scarred and deformed.

[@RH-po4gr]

@@jackofmanycolors4694 actually?

[@samt7623]

One of the most pleasant Destiny conversations. What did I just watch?! I feel like he could weave these into his heated debate videos for some excellent content.

[@kakibackup2koujo612]

Can’t say no to a conversation between good old Kraut and Destiny.

[@brandonden795]

Kraut and DesTEA

[@withinfinite5104]

"What exactly happened to you?" *Destiny takes a drag on his cigarette and take a shot of whiskey* "Vaush's girlfriend and roomate happened."

[@ChillAssTurtle]

I talked about the mass shooting of protesters...its everyone elses fault but mine REEEEEEEEEEEE

[@MD-gz7ns]

@@ChillAssTurtle destiny bad

[@ChillAssTurtle]

@@MD-gz7ns idk why you want the terrorists to win but ok

[@MD-gz7ns]

@@ChillAssTurtle he said rioters lul, anyways destiny bad

[@ChillAssTurtle]

@@MD-gz7ns as though there are groups made exclusively of rioters. Thats just a republican meme buddy

[@skyefox]

He sounds just like the extra dimensional cloud in Rick & Morty. I wish for him to sing "Goodbye Moon Man".

[@leleltea8921]

"Fart"

[@MasteringJohn]

Speaking as a stone-cold Conservative, all I hope for out of this debacle is that Destiny continues to come by his beliefs and assertions honestly (i.e., through sincere reflection on the evidence of the issues he tackles). It is of benefit to no one for disaffected Liberals/Progressives to just 'switch sides' as a matter of course, and I would rather have someone disagree with me stridently from a position that is rooted in genuine belief, than a convert by necessity who's just trying to avoid political homelessness.

[@slothjolly8075]

Yah the whole “I left the left” shit is old

[@MasteringJohn]

​@@slothjolly8075 It's not people leaving the Left that bothers me (for obvious reasons). It's the people who claim they've left, yet they can't be arsed to articulate why, how, and what exactly changed their minds beyond 'intersectional politics be stinky'. I agree that intersectional politics is awful, but that's not the inflection point between Conservatism and Progressivism, and it can't be the basis of any political viewpoint all by its lonesome.

[@smalltrashman4227]

@Mr Olonzo Every disagreement had by conservatives and liberals apart from that.

[@dark91911]

I just wish people would care less about putting themselves in boxes and more about the possibility of learning from those you disagree with in stead of seeing everyone as a posible enemy

[@griggerykimothy4865]

i can respect that

[@dominiquebrown2890]

Vaush and the departnering must've really hurt destiny. Ive never seen him completely not want to talk to someone again

[@guylfe]

Vaush also said he's done with Destiny, essentially saying Destiny ran out his usefulness and Vaush is now big enough to not need him.

[@dominiquebrown2890]

@@guylfe vaush probably said that in response to destiny. Almost like you know your ex is about to break up with you so you breakup with her first

[@KentuckyFriedKitten666]

Drama jebaited.

[@Eden-LikeTheGarden-Rama]

Why is everyone acting like they were such good pals anyway? Not everyone sees relationships as transactionally as Destiny does. Vaush even said he never considered him a friend

[@lissie3669]

@@guylfe That's really not what Vaush said at all to my memory. He's always felt that destiny treated him like shit, so after being blamed for this I think it was the final straw for him.

[@vicentegodoy5493]

This is a crossover i needed

[@soup789100]

for a guy whos done with vaush he sure does talk about vaush alot

[@IMatchoNation]

Rent free.

[@aquanecromancer5776]

Folks keep coming and talking to him abt it what is he supposed to do.

[@kasuo7039]

Vito Adame it’s not like the main point of this video was vaush

[@IMatchoNation]

@@kasuo7039 Vaush is in the thumbnail...

[@ookook1331]

@@IMatchoNation are we pretending destiny edits these videos himself ? Vaush was about 1 minute out of the over the hour video. You guys gotta stop obsessing

[@armeretta]

I watched this whole thing, t's good

[@thenightmancometh6358]

Most of Destiny’s convos are

[@wdwuccnxcnh7022]

When was it streamed?

[@cloneboy45]

@@wdwuccnxcnh7022 Dates are always in description :)

[@soulslasher7890]

pretty sure it's a joke guys

[@mmeditatio]

it's really not lol

[@MageCon]

It's quite odd to me how Kraut can talk about the bad shit his corner of youtube did back in the day retrospectively, but somehow thinks that other people "confessing" to Vaush is disingenuous and fake. I guess Kraut is the only ones capable of personal growth? I just don't understand any of Kraut's criticism of Vaush or the comparison to Sargon.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

the only person who monetized kraut's personal growth, was kraut.

[@sirlaggzzalot]

@@ShortFatOtaku wow, the online political scene is very small

[@mattattack75]

@@ShortFatOtaku yo watched a video of yours not that long ago, A lot of homophobes and douchebags in the comment section after you mentioned you were okay with gay marriage

[@raptureparty2610]

@@mattattack75 The attempts of guilt by association it as common point as usual I guess.

[@mattattack75]

@@raptureparty2610 im not attempting to throw guilt, merely telling his content attracts a lot of unsavory people

[@alexnowik7577]

Glad to hear someone finally talk about Poland. Feels like it gets left out of a lot of conversations in the US, considering how horrible our history was.

[@hazzardalsohazzard2624]

I find it funny the leader of Haiti after the final stages of the revolution called Poles the "negroes of Europe" He only spared Poles while travelling around Haiti killing every white person he could find.

[@BDKoala]

Vaush is pretty anti-tankie, what is this guy talking about?

[@Lupostehgreat]

Can't pilfer anti-Vaushers from Destiny's fanbase if you don't trash him on Destiny's stream and lie about conversations you had with Vaush.

[@ninoy4914]

I mean tankies love to call him a liberal

[@klip8726]

Vaush in the title again

[@klip8726]

Pain

[@KentuckyFriedKitten666]

Tag, you’re it OOOO

[@theneedlessopinion]

ey yo afrolefty i love you man it will be okay... probably

[@Sprite_525]

🎶 (muffled voice) BoshBad, VAWCH bahh, botch pad!!! 🎵

[@thekycklingwizard78]

It’s almost like he was a topic in the video

[@novanocturn]

I love that I am able to easily look up his talk with Vaush in order to verify, or disprove his take on there interaction.

[@luismurillo5855]

It's only a matter of time before we get the "Chatting with Nick Fuentes" episode.

[@tintintb1980]

He chatted with him for a good couple of hours over the Summer.

[@luismurillo5855]

@@tintintb1980 Really? Like an actual friendly chat and not a debate? You're not talking about the Killstream appearance are you?

[@tintintb1980]

@@luismurillo5855 Bingo! The closest thing we're gonna get I think.

[@rainingfallout3043]

Luis Murillo yeah on the killstream

[@mmeditatio]

@@tintintb1980 nah there will be another chat lol

[@scottyxscxrs5483]

So when is the Metokur conversation gonna happen?? It’s all coming full circle now

[@tintintb1980]

If only. Metokur has run off with his superchat money, bought a new house and settled down/married Jade. Oh and apparently he now has cancer. He said this in a Twitter comment whist replying to someone, so maybe take it with a grain of salt. Maybe it's just an excuse to quietly slip away from his old internet life? No one really knows. Well apart from Jim obviously.

[@scottyxscxrs5483]

Rin Tin yeah I’ve seen all that. If he did run off with the money, he earned it with his content. If the marriage is epic that’s what’s up. Cancer, I hope for the best so he’s not a real glow in the dark. Maybe he will return to us again one day.

[@lordthruxawe504]

@@scottyxscxrs5483 metokur will probably return in a year or so with a different pseudonym. I'm pretty sure his channel was demonitised and was incapable of generating much revenue, but he pulled a lot of viewers/donations in his streams so I'm sure he'll be set for a while. He'll eventually blow up again as he always does, but I'm curious to see what his next batch of content will look like (if he comes back).

[@SeruraRenge11]

@@scottyxscxrs5483 I mean it's indolent lymphoma which is a fairly treatable form of cancer but he'll probably be out of commission during treatment. At the very least he probably won't have the energy to make videos.

[@drawgam2946]

Give me a Kraut any day over Metokur

[@Mary-mr6kr]

Maybe Destiny would quit talking about Vaush if the guests quit bringing him up.

[@Lupostehgreat]

But then how could his guests pilfer anti-Vaushers for their own audiences if they did?

[@IMatchoNation]

It's up to Destiny to not talk to those people, or cut them off when they bring Vaush up.

[@Aspirintax]

No. Destiny put Vaush in the thumbnail. He likes talking about him. Views bruh.

[@Mary-mr6kr]

Matthias Joseph Thomas van Trigt How is Destiny supposed to know what’s festering in someone else’s head before bringing them on? Kraut brought Vaush up, and Destiny hardly said anything about the dweeb.

[@IMatchoNation]

@@Mary-mr6kr "So I want to talk about Vaush for a bit" "Nah I'm not up for that". Simple. Destiny has no problem cutting off issues he doesn't want to discuss. You can keep reaching but you're just wrong on this issue bud. Destiny is a big boy, he has full control over what he talks about and lets his guests talk about, as well as what his content manager puts up. You just can't make this argument under a video that literally has Vaush in the title and thumbnail.

[@Tocinos]

Next episode: Chatting w/ Ben Shapiro about lgbt

[@luismurillo5855]

Next episode: Chatting with Nick Fuentes about Vaush

[@keiskay]

Kraut is leftish at least, compared to sargon anyways.

[@cognizant8512]

@@keiskay Kraut is more-so a Liberal in a conceptual sense nowadays.

[@scottyxscxrs5483]

No it’s chatting with Mister Metokur

[@keiskay]

@@scottyxscxrs5483 already happened though.

[@powercore2000]

Kraut waking up was so scuffed it was actually quite charming.

[@losgalacticos9066]

Kraut is still a racist Islamophobe and a vile fascist.

[@stuartkeating6508]

Man this feels like the 6th creator Destiny has talked to who really hates Vaush.

[@stuartkeating6508]

@@YourBlackLocal Yeah, but he said his interaction with Vaush was extremely bad, thinks of him as a religious leaders wanting others to repent for their sins and deems him the 'left wing Sargon'. Not having many interactions isn't relevant.

[@mydroogies5529]

Vaush is like Scar from The Lion King, galvanizing all the Hyenas. Eventually he's get eaten up by his own.

[@Bob2IzIcon]

Vaush Derangement Syndrome. I have no idea what this guy is talking about.

[@MageCon]

@@stuartkeating6508 The discussion Vaush and Kraut had was fairly amicable, so his current opinion of Vaush is derived almost exclusively from an outside perspective, which is definitely relevant. I don't know why this strange religious language is being used, but it seems incredibly misleading to say the least.

[@RanEncounter]

Well Vaush uses marxist tools to analyse problems in reality even if the data flies against his views. He proudly talks about this fact. He defends his untruthful claims with the claim that he has to provide counter narrative to the people.

[@Xuzon]

It's really refreshing to hear someone who gets polish history. And how we ended up where we're today - led by far right party fueled by fear of imaginary enemies in place of the real enemies from the past.

[@jamtex2]

Polish ruling party is socialist. The oposition is socialist too.

[@Xuzon]

@@jamtex2 you clearly don't know how a socialist party looks like.

[@jamtex2]

@@Xuzon Or you don't.

[@Xuzon]

@@jamtex2 Law and Justice is a national-conservative,[2][22][36] Christian democratic[12][13][36] and right-wing populist[37][38][39][40][41] political party in Poland, a member of the European Conservatives and Reformists Party.[42] . Where's your proof?

[@jamtex2]

@@Xuzon Wikipedia is no proof. Their welfare policies are proof enough.

[@raquetdude]

Kraut seems one of the most leftwing guys he had on recently... Check out Krauts latest content, it’s honestly some of the best geographic documentaries on YT. (Odd style).

[@dala7862]

That was basically how his content started out and got me subscribed before all the drama started. Im glad he is going back to his roots.

[@bucketpizza5197]

All videos are crazy good. Recommend it if you like history and geopolitic stuff

[@EvilChickenGamingPT]

@@dala7862 what happened with him? don't remember any drama but i kinda turned off politics for a long ass time

[@dala7862]

@@EvilChickenGamingPT well him and his side of skeptics kinda got in a war between other youtubers that were more alt right or close to that area of the spectrum. He was accused of running a d oxxing server on discord, but i personally dont think it was after reviewing the evidence myself. Anyways, between the transition in content and accusations cost him money and subscriber count significantly. i really summarized everything that happened quite a bit, it would be a lot to type out all the details. there are forums online that go over it though.

[@xtramangled]

@@EvilChickenGamingPT He got pretty deep into doxing and other shady shit against people he had disagreements with. He had a discord set up with people from his community, outside of his regular community discord, for the explicit purpose of doxing. You can probably find dozens of videos detailing all of it.

[@Hunter_pizza]

40:53 someone in chat says "So are they just going to agree the whole time like what is the point of this conversation" My god mate whats wrong with you!? Not everything has to be an argument.

[@TheHelium11]

I've only seen weird LSF rajj clips of Kraut's anti-SJW takes. Glad to see he's actually a really thoughtful dude. 40 minutes in, great discussion

[@klip8726]

Heart been broke so many times iiiiiiii don't know what to believe

[@theneedlessopinion]

MAMA SAY ITS MY FAULT ITS MY FAULT I GOT MY HEART ON MY SLEEVE

[@mellowtron214]

I’m a market gardener here in Texas, I actually met a guy online from Houston, who believed and practiced *Lysenkoist Ag*. Which, as far as he explained, is this idea that nature is inherently cooperative, not competitive. That Marxism and this idea of the inherent communal nature of all life, expands to everything, including growing food. Obviously, most large scale Ag is non-Lysenko, so fields are planted as mono cultures where whole fields have (usually) 1 species growing, and any other species in the field is considered a “weed” and as such, a competitor to the crop. Lysenko had a theory that you could group plants much closer together, that you could mix crops, and that they would help each other grow better than if left alone or with proper spacing. In reality, some species are beneficial to eachother, but most, especially in Ag contexts of mass mono-culture fields, are highly competitive and will shade eachother out, hoard nutrients, and attract pests and insects. I heard that Lysenkoism was widely applied in the old Commie hellscape, and that this led to a lot of starvation, but that may be untrue. I also heard that the Chinese commies had party members randomly assigned to high posts, not due to their merit or knowledge, but rather because of their party loyalty. So with little actual knowledge of Ag, these new Ag czars or whatever they were called, told every farmer in the state to do some wild shit like *till the soil 3 FEET DEEP and flip it, not realizing that “soil” is the top layer that has trillions of microbes and insects living in it that produce the majority of the nutrients for plants, and so they essentially created a dust bowl level of infertility from something as basic and obviously insane as telling people to till too deep and flip the soil under ground leaving nothing but barren dirt on the surface for many feet.*

[@blocherxk6618]

me an argentinian, heards that their start talking about argentina :) chat: argentina has a very large neo-nazy community :(

[@sean_thomson]

haha, Kraut's "calling out the right" involved some less than ethical actions beyond just dispelling arguments if I remembered correctly, kind of funny how he glossed over that tidbit.

[@SuperBrockMister1]

yea Kraut ran a discord where a bunch of people conspired to take down people. Real scumbag shit. Krauts new stuff is really good but it's a bit silly how he doesn't avtually say what really happened.

[@SeruraRenge11]

He's said it on his own channel but basically his stance is "doxxing isn't a crime so I don't see how I did anything wrong in employing the same tactics as my enemies, more importantly I didn't expose any information on Coach Redpill that he didn't publicly make available, the idiot" That being said, he never actually doxxed anyone, Kraut was the guy who was doxxed. What happened was that Kraut had made a server created by him and others to compile accessible info against alt-righters like Lauren Southern, Ryan Faulk, Coach Red-Pill, etc. Many people infiltrated his server claiming they weren't white nationalists (like Aydin Paladin) and started their own campaign. Because the anti-sjw community at the time were chummy with right wing thought because "feminism is cancer", they believed what Kraut was doing was the worst of the worst and decided to oust him (and again, dox him and his family). Months after this info went down, it turned out many of Kraut's accusers were found to be liars. Of course the damage was already done. The anti-sjw community was in shambles. The Far Right became the prevailing mindset with The Killstream, Warski Live, and The Daily Shoah gaining views. It was only within mid 2018 with people like Drallasta, Liberal Sanity Project, and Three Arrows, along with the rising popularity of the old guard like Contrapoints and Shawn, that left wingers returned to the mic.

[@sean_thomson]

@@SeruraRenge11 Something doesn't have to be criminal to be unethical, it also targeted more than just coach redpill, it had about a dozen people they were targeting if I remember. The intend was to get people to leave the platform through shaming or harassment, several in the anti sjw community called them out, several left wing people Kraut and co tried to employ to help said no (because they had morals), it's not unreasonable for people to have had objections to Krauts actions.

[@SeruraRenge11]

@@sean_thomson You might want to re-read my post after I updated it because I added in crucial information to the whole story.

[@alig2472]

@@SuperBrockMister1 this Kraut guy sounds like a legend

[@smiff513]

Kraut sounds like some waking up from a crack binge at the start, he used to sound uni professor

[@venmis137]

41:00 My iranian friend actually told me about an interesting footnote from this. The religious dress of the shia clergy (big turbans, the stuff you see khomeini wear) were originally just the normal clothing of lebanese people. The reason that they are now a religious clothing is because when the safavids converted to shia, there were no native iranian shia clergymen, so they had to import them from lebanon, and so the lebanese dress that they wore became conflated with the shia faith, and became a symbol of the religion.

[@ProjSHiNKiROU]

You should talk to Knowing Better and Economics Explained next. From my experience with BreadTube, they tend to be anti-tankie (while Reddit left tend to be tankie-leaning).

[@notewan2935]

I don't even think Knowing better is a commie he just seems like a soc dem

[@nopenope5035]

Idk if knowing better is "breadtube" hes just left leaning

[@ninjam77]

@@nopenope5035 I don't think they wanted to imply any connection between the 2 paragraphs.

[@YourBlackLocal]

HoosierGhoul Tim pool is clearly conservative, people just look at his videos and how he shifts opinions daily as long as it puts democrats in a bad light. His prediction that AOC would lose re-election was a clear example, first his story was “AOC to lose in landslide proving the left doesn’t work” with basically less than a week left till election. then when she won against her opponent it’s “AOC win proves the Democrats have been taken over by the left” Tim pool is just a moron who finds an article then reads it, that’s all. look at his debate with Sam Sedar, Tim couldn’t help but constantly bring up that he’s Mixrace.

[@brandonk.4864]

Not Ewan Reddit left is simultaneously the best thing and the worst cancer I’ve ever experienced. I say this mostly because I hate the r/chapo people (not the pod, I like the pod) because they’re absolute larping morons.

[@romefox]

I dunno, Ive worked mostly for small businesses where I am literally the only employee or 1 of 3 or 4. The boss rarely showed and when they did, they would do a repair or two (Im a phone/computer technicians), make sure everything was in order, then left. I did 99% of he job and one of em kept the tips, because of the position he gave himself, he made it legal. Ive been a sole proprietor for 3 years at one point, did exactly the same amount of work aside from paying bills and order inventory but I made wayyyyy more. I know this is anecdotal but Im sure most people have had a similar experience.

[@Hunterchuck]

I concur as a sole proprietor myself. Destiny wouldn't understand this because he has mostly lived on other people donating money to him sitting in front of a computer screen. These things are even hard for working people to realize because they don't have the chance to see how much they are making in comparison to what the owner is making and how much work either are doing compared to the other. I can make $8,000/month now compared to the $1,500/month I was making doing the same work but working under someone else who owned my labor.

[@romefox]

@@Hunterchuck Precisely.

[@Banntodile]

This video is like a nostalgic trip of my past lmao

[@Mike-xz9dg]

I wish destiny would stop implying that vaush is a major supporter of the ussr or stalin, it’s pretty telling that destiny has to act in such bad faith whenever vaush gets brought up.

[@alig2472]

Destiny is just a salty liar at this point

[@seanbalogun1108]

Something that the right will say about the left

[@Dhruvbala]

Vaush bad Vaush bad Vaush bad Vaush bad

[@Roguecjb]

He tried to spin someone using self defense into a murderer, yes vaush bad.

[@Dhruvbala]

@@Roguecjb Ah yes. Let me pack an AR-15, drive to another state where I own the gun illegally, and take it in my own hands to shoot some protestors to defend myself

[@xtramangled]

@@Dhruvbala A Vaush fan who doesn't know the facts of the Kenosha shooting. Color me shocked.

[@artisticamagnatica6219]

@@xtramangled not much wrong with what he said

[@xtramangled]

@@artisticamagnatica6219 Wasn't his AR-15, not illegal to have the gun in Wisconsin, the only people he shot were the people who were literally physically attacking him. Try again.

[@Spoteddy]

This is the most civilized discussion I have heard Destiny have :D Cant be a debate if you both agree on most if not all things :D

[@abscriptx]

Destiny: I'm not talking about vaush again. Also Destiny: VAUSH

[@TheRiviaWitcher]

He never brings him up its always the people he is talking to, and he usually give really short answers about him and they move on. Not sure what else you expect him to do there

[@IMatchoNation]

@@TheRiviaWitcher "I don't want to talk about Vaush, please don't bring him up." and then instruct his content manager to cut out sections discussing Vaush.

[@TheRiviaWitcher]

@@IMatchoNation lol you're just being petty, if the guest want to bring up vaush for a couple of minutes its really not a big deal

[@abscriptx]

@@TheRiviaWitcher A couple of mins and then he gives his editor the green light to use him as the title and the thumbnail of the video.. he clearly is so done with Vaush

[@IMatchoNation]

@@TheRiviaWitcher I'm sure your idol really appreciates you defending his honor, but you're not responsible for the things he says. Destiny said he doesn't want to talk about Vaush, yet he does. You're fine with that, and I don't really mind. What's weird to me is this army of simps jumping around pretending nót talking about Vaush (and publishing the talk, and putting Vaush in the thumbnail) is some Herculean feat.

[@CanalPSG]

I always liked Kraut when he was in the same league with Sargon. Too bad Kraut suddenly disappeared; glad to hear from him again.

[@StarrySatyr]

Kraut is still relevant? Jesus

[@harrybredhauer3148]

Yah he makes realy good videos on Turkish history, feminism in Russia and other international topics.

[@Sesshounamaru7]

He is indeed a pretty cool dude, and looking back it was the reactionary "sceptic" community and internet blood sports that were the asshole ones...

[@charliehowa]

He’s not actually

[@charliehowa]

Sesshounamaru sure bro keep pretending

[@SuperBrockMister1]

@@Sesshounamaru7 Nah. The "gay ops" shit where he ran a discord trying to find a way to ruins people careers was and still is fucked. Liked him in this convo and im glad he is taking his content in a different direction.

[@aydenr5467]

"The United States Census Bureau uses the ethnonyms Hispanic or Latino to refer to a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race and states that Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, any ethnicity." Yeah it is vague and non-descriptive.

[@minch333]

Hey, remember when Kraut dedicated his channel to dehumanising all Muslims and calling for their death etc?

[@minch333]

@Guiuu Shurt He called them all cockroaches

[@CockatooDude]

@@minch333 In which video of his did he do this?

[@Itisoverthere-rw]

Having gotten really tired of Sargon and his positions myself I would really want Kraut to explain what his beef with Sargon is exactly. Vague statements here and there don't help.

[@AbsoluteRecoil]

The sanctimony and myopia of believing that these 2 were above all those who they criticized is shocking.

[@rhinoboy09]

Wtf , a Dan Carling style but a bit more informal history pod with these 2 now that's fucking worth paying for !!!

[@WhamBam_TV]

Destiny: wait, where are you? Kraut: Vienna Chat: Italy Pog .... ..... ...... .......

[@pnwtree]

I've been looking for those type of actual debates too!!!

[@buncha3arrows195]

Did Kraut say Vawsh?

[@bluehurricane9974]

But the dude is German let’s give him a break. Also, I got banned from twitter. My account was Raining Pain @BlueCyclone2002

[@AlextheBant]

I totally agree with Kraut here. The Anglo world is so tonedeaf to historical and social context outside of America. It's pretty normal as their culture and language are so dominant but still. Problem is young people who spend too much time only following Internet politics (here in Europe as well) carry over that lack of nuance and background of the Anglo perception.

[@abraham9305]

Columbus did set foot on continental America but most of his time in the new world was in the Caribbean. You are correct he never set foot in the US though.

[@Hannibal082]

Wow, haven't heard from Kraut in a long time.

[@91anthonyD]

This is one of the longer videos of destiny i've enjoyed in a while. Just a nice conversation, i appreciate this much more than the debate agro stuff. Chat with more people like this pls destiny

[@mayman4255]

Kraut is an OG,before being left was cool

[@kaildraconis]

Had to go back and finish watching his talk with sargon before coming back to watch this

[@sycophant8470]

i for one welcome the destiny civilly talks to righties and explains why they are wrong arc

[@mayman4255]

Kraut is a righty?

[@matthewbennett631]

@@mayman4255 My impression (which may be wrong) is that he is center-right socially and center-left fiscally.

[@busbee247]

@@matthewbennett631 so like a baby nazbol?

[@meneither3834]

@@busbee247 like a right wing European. By american standards he would be left wing.

[@busbee247]

@@meneither3834 I mean nazbols define themselves as socially conservative economically liberal

[@seamusmcavey3826]

When are we getting the Destiny & Jreg collab?

[@heikkipaasi1279]

24:24 Mmyes, African Americans in the Soviet Union, yes quite interesting.

[@Crispman_777]

Unfortunate that they have that perception of Philosophy Tube. Regardless of your opinion on capitalism I think his videos are certainly worth watching. The topics he covers are pretty varied and he's very good with citations and being open about his work method.

[@hajimeokajima]

I'd say she's/he's/they're novice level philosophy. For people who don't know much about Philosophy and it's nuance and complexity.

[@regarded9702]

@@hajimeokajima how do you know her/his/their/xers/blers/pes/aes/xes/∞s pronouns are so limited? Please don't be a bigot honey, you'll regret it later in life, you sweet summer child.

[@hajimeokajima]

@@regarded9702 Basic courtesy kid, those are enough, and if they have any special pronouns, I can always politely ask.

[@instakillgaming]

kraut was always the smartest anti sjw he gets everything right it makes me want to throw up

[@nopenope5035]

Well it got him fucking booted from their community.

[@Subutaii]

nope nope righteously so

[@fdrswheelchair556]

@@nopenope5035 wasn't he like compiling shit on people to like take them down or something?

[@teriyakichicken1848]

He also pretty much called for genocide against Muslims

[@jasandrea7034]

Kraut was an anti sjws? I thought the skeptics called him THE sjw.

[@ZeroLovesPC]

Why does everyone hate armored skeptic so much? I mean i get people being annoyed at his narcissistic personality but his politics have never been super extreme if i remember right. Was he really that bad?

[@brandonwickstead9159]

Idk if he was a nazi or whatever but probably had an iq of 80

[@Car-qu2bc]

I'm not sure at all. The hate might've just came naturally since he was one of the more popular skeptics.

[@lordthruxawe504]

I think he's just pretty milquetoast. Even during the height of his anti-sjw involvement his content was rather inoffensive and mundane. I don't think he's a bad person or anything, he just sort of exists. I don't know how else to put it. I guess it makes for an easy punching bag?

[@avag8242]

I wish Destiny would stop taking shots at leftist content creators who don’t show their income on Patreon. He mocked Shaun for it on twitter. Shaun always pauses his patreon when he doesn’t make a video.

[@Zach0451]

Cope

[@KaiTheKool]

What are the authors Kraut mentioned at 45:43? I understood Tim Marshall but I have no idea how to spell the rest.

[@Kraut_the_Parrot]

Daron Acemoglu, Francis Fukuyama, Nassim Nicholas Taleb.

[@JohnSmith-ef2sx]

Vaush is correct on the issues and Destiny can't stand it.

[@artisticamagnatica6219]

@@leontate8805 no but in every other discussion they've had

[@mattattack75]

Lol okay Vboi

[@artisticamagnatica6219]

@@sovietsandvich8443 Everything else but Kenosha... and it was just barely worse than Destiny's take

[@conservativeliberal]

I wish he got into more details about hunter avaloines grift How Sargon used him How he got cancelled cuz he challenged the alt right Could anyone explain these points?

[@SgtPwnVids]

20:00 destiny says “at first i gave communism the benefit of doubt because i assumed there was propaganda against it, but then i consumed anti-communist propaganda and now I know they are bad

[@joaquinferrazzi923]

Which of his points were propaganda?

[@doncat1744]

yeah communism is based and good and badass and they never did anything wrong because they were cool and i like their aesthetics a lot and my favorite color is red

[@SgtPwnVids]

Don Cat I didn’t say anything like that. But the way that the Holodomor is covered is highly influenced by state department propaganda, along with anticommunist think tanks and foundations. It was, of course, a horrible tragedy. But the coverage is still biased and has an anticommunist slant

[@joaquinferrazzi923]

@@SgtPwnVids What's biased and anticommunist about the holodomor coverage? And destiny was talking against the soviet union i think, not communism

[@SgtPwnVids]

joaquin ferrazzi the coverage frames the holodomor as a unique failure of a command economy. In reality, horrible famines like the Holodomor take place in all economic systems. I understand as well that Destiny was talking about the Soviet Union, but he did so directly after talking about communism. It is clear that he believes that the failures of the Soviet Union are clear evidence that Communism is undesirable. That link can’t really be drawn fairly. I for one don’t claim to have any knowledge about the Holodomor one way or the other. All I can say for sure is that a famine did occur, and that Western media instrumentalizes that fact as a bludgeon against the left.

[@aristchannels]

Anyone think that Kraut sounds like the math professor, Stellan Skarsgård, in Good Will Hunting?

[@rezak2]

I think mike from pa is the leftwing version of tonkasaw lol

[@Mike-xz9dg]

I don’t think it’s fair to describe what vaush does as akin to a confessional. Often times more right wing people will come on and portray themselves as something different than their content suggests in an attempt to attract viewers from a different audience. I think it’s fine to call people out on that shit when it happens.

[@camron.w1841]

Destiny you created Vaush! Much like Frankenstein creating his monster.

[@lissie3669]

Apparently everything that Vaush says makes destiny have an aneurism, so if were gonna credit Destiny for Vaush's entire career...

[@squarephantom661]

weneedcriticalthinking the only reasonable take

[@victoriongreyjoy]

@@lissie3669 🐎

[@lissie3669]

@@victoriongreyjoy I don't know what that means horse girl, so either thank you or I disagree uhhh

[@jasandrea7034]

Destiny raised vaush. 👶🏻👨‍👦

[@hypercortical7772]

my only problem with Vaush as a youtuber is that his popularity is growing faster than his maturity as a public intellectual/political influencer. And, when Vaush first started, I felt like I could learn a lot from Vaush, but not so much lately. On the other hand with someone like destiny I feel like destiny is constantly learning very quickly, and so I can constantly learn a lot from him. I kinda worry Vaush is taking on more than he can handle. He'll seriously embarrass himself at some point. I already feel like he makes intellectual mistakes, even with pre-recorded content.

[@seanbalogun1108]

He does confess that he makes mistakes. He has some fucked up takes before popularity

[@ClaymanFlames]

"Jreg?I havent heard of Jreg." -k Kraut Shoulda said that in the beginning so I didnt have to waste my time.

[@marsuss5325]

?

[@FTWorWTF]

IMO the only BreadTuber worth half a fuck, with the caveat that I don't consider Contrapoints a BreadTuber

[@spencerbuck1074]

I’m just speaking from personal experience but my interest in Joe Rogan dropped off entirely around a year ago. I’m not sure if many other people are losing interest as well, but it seems my interests end up being the same as many other people when I look back on them later.

[@aslanhoskin1592]

I love Kraut

[@broobit7540]

Wait did I misunderstand? Vaush bad because he converted hunter? And he’s bad because he did it for selfish self-promotion?

[@oohitzmario]

I keep picturing this guy talking to destiny laid back in his chair with a glass of whisky

[@sebj3917]

I watched a lot of breadtube recently but I still haven't found the tankies so I'll keep looking.

[@the500mphtortoise]

Hakim is the Head tankie, isnt he a breadtuber?

[@sebj3917]

@@the500mphtortoise Thanks dude. I googled him.

[@jeremiahjenkins5743]

What does Tankie mean? Sorry, i’m pretty new.

[@sebj3917]

@@jeremiahjenkins5743 people who want to enforce communism through the means of the State (army, cops etcaetera...), they also tend to be antisemites.

[@giansideros]

@@sebj3917 I'm pretty sure it's just Stalinist apologists who think the Soviet Union did nothing wrong, anti-Semitism is not a typical trait of theirs.

[@jonathansaraco]

It sucks that Destiny was departnered from Twitch, but damn we've had line an influx on content on KZbin because of it and it's sick as hell.

[@killerfrenchy]

Watching this after the recent bumbling drunk appearance on Vaush's stream is fucking rich. This guy complains about being held to account for his racist, islamophobic content in the past then complains on Vaush's stream for not holding Shoe and other to account for their past shitty behaviour.

[@pey-yote]

Pregnant trout-man’s accent has gotten slightly more believable

[@lukasstrandberg5145]

Does anyone have a link to the destiny millennial woes debate? can't find it anywhere. is it part of like a 1v5?

[@staraptorflock3661]

52:15 Destiny: Oh yea I totally don't take advantage and make money off my audience (pulls on shirt)

[@DDV1983LS]

Destiny should look up on Serbia during WW2. It is definitely not odd for a current day Serbian to be a nazi. There's history supporting such a (not illogical) possibility.

[@michaeldromes3948]

Interesting fella, I've been going through his videos and they seems really informed and informative, they kinda make me angry too, but that might be the old commie in me, still having bits of that shit left after deconverting. Like an example he seems to be generally anti-sjw, but not in the right leaning, fashy, skeptic or reactionary type of way, like he approaches is from an angle I haven't heard before and there might just be something right about it.

[@hajimeokajima]

I mean, he's an educated person, doing his best to understand the world.

[@hellsing19945]

Does anyone know what three academics Kraut mentioned at 45:45

[@artisticamagnatica6219]

How I left the leftstiny

[@sjewitt22]

that was a simplistic version of the Iranian revolution, the left/liberals played a big part, though they got marginalized by the religious.

[@CalderonCore]

When Kraut says "in some cases wealth is inherited", it sounds really dishonest. Clearly even in Countries next to him like Germany there is a clear tendency that the wealthiest already started at the top or at least above average and rather had to "manage" what they inherited than to earn it themselves. Also I think people are not saying "Jeff Bezos does not earn to be wealthier than others." It is rather a question of relation to others. "Even for what he is doing, Jeff Bezos does not deserve to earn 1000000 times as much as other hard working people." Kraut, in this case, just sounds like your average "work hard, and you will be fine" capitalist schoolbook reader. His newer videos are great by the way.

[@adammilne1341]

Lol the departnering chat at the front didn't agree too well. A bit more than a year later he got perma-banned from twitch.