Chilling Cases Shrouded in Mystery

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Chapters:
0:00 Start/My Heritage Ad
2:19 Todd Geib
15:54 Lori Vallow
28:03 El Dorado Jane Doe
Script By:
Kat Beaufort
Sources:
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[@Cadaber]

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[@Anon-oj4ji]

How about NO 🐑🐑🐑

[@splifstar85]

How do you drown without inhaling water?

[@Incrementium]

Just so everyone knows, when you sign up to any of these ancestry or heritage style companies products you are basically letting them sell any data they gather about you for free, and the information is also used against other family as well. For example, if they can link you to someone with a genetic condition that's hereditary because of other genetic data they have then companies like Insurance Companies can pre-emptive discriminate against you or family who share that genetics and reject you even before you know about it. It also correlates into much larger data sets used to take advantage of you, the novelty isn't worth the non cash price you and people you care about can pay for your curiosity. If you are okay with this than go for it, but I believe that it's criminal they profit off your information without you being fully informed. And no, fine print in a contract does not count. It should be clearly stated on sign up how they plan to use your data for anything outside of the required use for the purpose you paid for.

[@ajaxslamgoody9736]

Hey Cadaber...Scientist have been coming out of the woodwork claiming the Jab was potentially or was potentially dangerous to cause Carditis. Some are even stating not to get the newest one either. You think all these young people flopping on courts and fields is normal. PLUS, Dr. Fauci is now facing potential disbarment, charges, and has admitted to the Carditis...That means he's a liar. I took it and am a medical professional and was fooled...now I have been having heart problems (where none exists at all on both sides of my family), and I was a Student Athlete and was a Combat Medic. My Mother took it too, she just had open heart surgery last year...brother and sister didn't take it and haven't had a problem. Also, Me and my mother decided not to get the boosters. So please don't pass that Dr. off as a loon for not getting the Jab. We now know it changes your DNA through your mRNA....that's why we can't SUE the Big Pharma...it was one big experiment. Good Day!

[@maxblackcat]

Not about to give my DNA to the feds. No thanks

[@donly9318]

I love how the courts heard that Lori was threatening her husbands life and then gave custody of the kids over to her. Absolutely shameful.

[@EthanPerales.]

That's fairly often, I'm not surprised in the slightest

[@cjthebeesknees]

That’s business as usual and wish I was being cynical saying this, for profit system.

[@JDM-is-my-name]

My mother straight up told the court that if she didn't get me and my sister, she'd just leave. Like, she admitted that she would abandoned us like nothing. She only got to keep my other 3 siblings because two of them weren't my dad's and the last one wasn't born yet.

[@Thunderous333]

Ain't nowhere on Earth you'll ever find a court that would give children to the father unless there's undeniable proof the mother they're either a drug addict, child murderer (which means it's too late), or they've committed a war crime lmao

[@victoriareina04]

@@Thunderous333 that’s actually not true. If the mother alleges that the father is abusing the children, specifically sexually, he is much more likely to get custody. Even if the abuse is proven, mothers still lose custody much more often than fathers.

[@Operngeist1]

It's absolutely possible to drown without water in the lungs. It's called dry drowning and it's been identified in 10-20% of drowning victims. As a person inhales water their airways will close to prevent it from entering the lungs, it's called laryngospasm. This also prevents people from breathing as long as this reflex is active. In most cases, once hypoxia sets in the laryngospasm relaxes and water is inhaled once the person is unconscious, but in some cases the airway will stay closed, resulting in a person drowning without water entering the lungs.

[@lowwastehighmelanin]

Whoa i didn't know about this!

[@Snappy650]

That’s interesting, I had no idea. Always seemed black and white like smoke inhalation. Thank you!

[@CourtneyHammett]

Wow I really thought dry drowning only happened hours after surviving a drowning. That makes sense!

[@erickeller6447]

Thanks, I was going to mention the possibility of "dry drowning" but you did a better job explaining it. 😊

[@jmgajda8071]

This seems to happen more often in very cold water (although it can also happen in warmer water as well). Great explanation, btw!

[@SprinkledFox]

I deeply appreciate your last statement. "Do you really have a choice if all of your options are bad?" Very well said, and sadly resonates with me.

[@rationalbacon5872]

🧐 Yes. As the word choice implies, you can select from at least two options. So that statement is pure narrative fluff to get more view minutes, so viewers like you think you've heard something deep instead of a string of nonsensical words.

[@DelmiraVesna]

He said - if All of your "options" were bad. 😊

[@SprinkledFox]

@@DelmiraVesna oops, fixed that!

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

That’s why I’ll always be Pro-Choice.

[@agentepolaris4914]

His last statement was lame sounds like the kind of excuse some stuck up dude on Twitter or Reddit would say to defend criminals. Now I'm not saying Kelly was a criminal.

[@meatofmink]

kelly keeping menus is something that just really struck a chord with me she had glimpses of joy in her life of chaos and violence it was never meaningless. she was once a person too i can only hope her sister is doing better

[@agentepolaris4914]

Well, since she still lived with her addicted mother and Kelly herself convinced her to go to a Bikini pageant, essentially living of her looks, which most of the times (although not necessarily) leads to the same path Kelly had... I doubt it, but at least she may be still alive. But si do hope she scaped that life too.

[@CarolineBearoline]

For a split second I thought it was going to say shrouded hand LOL

[@chucktplatt]

Or obsolete oddity

[@irvvalenzuen3135]

legend hand

[@rachelbishop8556]

I did the same..

[@enkiabzu5792]

Yeah Shrouded hand is better

[@rachelbishop8556]

@@enkiabzu5792 I love shrouded hand so much

[@JustNormalGamers]

Rest in peace Kelly. Life's weird. Your life could have been any of ours. You deserved better. You deserve to be remembered.

[@Sneatt]

So Charles asked for a Divorce and requested a protection order against Lori because she "threatened to murder him and have an angel help dispose of his body". He said "he feared for his life and the lives of his children", and the Court gave her the kids?! The Court system is so fucked against fathers its sickening. The Judge basically handed those kids to their executioner.

[@petarvukovik729]

my jaw literally dropped when i heard that part of the story

[@kg-cz2hx]

unfortunately numbers show that accusing your partner of abuse (that’s not proven, just accusations) actually brings their chances of getting the kids up because custody court sees that as you potentially keeping the kids from that parent in the future. their outlook on it is that it’s not their job to look into accusation of abuse, just to decide custody. so if there’s anything to learn here, get documented proof of abuse to you or your children before going to custody court because you’ll be seen as a liar who’s trying to take the kids if you don’t.

[@kronk9418]

@@kg-cz2hxIf anything is to learn here, it’s that fathers are discriminated against in divorce court rulings. The statistics do not lie.

[@kg-cz2hx]

@@kronk9418 actually statistics wise, fathers who fight for their kids in court get sole custody about 70% of the time, the statistics appear to favor moms just because theyre usually the only parent whos actively fighting for their kids. its unfortunate, but like you said, statistics dont lie.

[@kronk9418]

@@kg-cz2hx What are your sources? I’d love to see them. Here’s mine: Cancian & Meyer (1998) found that the proportion of mothers who were granted custody in divorce courts were around 80% prior to 1998, but had fallen to 74% that year. That trend has most likely continued, but is still currently in favor of the maternal figure. Additionally, Popul (2021) found that fathers were more likely to partake in the child’s lives more after separation (n = 2107). Stevenson and colleagues’ (2013) study, in collaboration with UC Berkeley, Arizona State University, and the University of Michigan, also found a skewed proportion of mothers being granted custody compared to fathers: “Child Custody Statistics Several studies have examined jurisdiction, state, and national-level data on physical and legal custody rates in the United States, and found that custody arrangements differ drastically between mothers and fathers, as noted in the introduction. Joint physical custody of children was specified in only 2 to 6% of cases, fathers received primary physical custody in 8-14% of cases, while in fully 68-88% of cases, mothers received primary physical custody (Argys et al., 2007; Braver & O’Connell, 1998; Seltzer, 1990; Maccoby & Mnookin, 1992).”

[@mlk0-0]

That's so tragic, Kelly's story. She was a victim, through and through, on so many levels. At least her killer was caught fairly immediately, but her entire life was just adults failing her again and again. My heart to those who loved her, those who have family in this situation, and those are themselves...

[@YourNightmare4u2c]

No, Dwayne McCorkendale was a victim. Kelly helped murder him. She was not a good person. She lived by the sword, she died by the sword. Her life was taken, just as she assisted in the taking of other's lives.

[@yeos_angel_]

Kelly's case pisses me off so much. Sex workers are people too. They have families and loved ones who would miss them. They deserve to know what happened. Everyone deserves a name on their gravestone

[@MarioGoatse]

“They have families and loved ones who would miss them”. Seemingly not. Nobody even reported her missing.

[@andrewthetruth]

​@@MarioGoatseMost people know the reasons why you commented what you did better than you do.

[@SparklyStarfish]

No, not really. No one is entitled to be known, or even remembered. Especially those who set the bar as low as possible in the form of being 'adult entertainment' workers. If you want the world to remember you, or care you existed at all, be something better than yesterdays thrown out thot. Simple as that.

[@Cokehead_Drug_Addict_Zelensky]

If they had loving families they wouldn't be doing s3x "work".

[@n14d14]

@@SparklyStarfish i am anti sex work, but you are really ignoring how and why women/people in general fall into that line of work. 99% of the time they are very poor, many were sexually abused when they were younger, and many were exposed to drugs at a young age that now keep them poor (and cities don't do anything about it. look into philadelphia's open air drug market). its a very degrading job that few people have a chance of escaping. please have empathy. much love

[@julie.or.whatever]

i could get behind the smiley face killer theory a little more if it was the SAME style/color smiley face at every crime scene but they all look totally different and are in different colors. some of them look quite faded which indicate they weren’t painted on freshly. i think people are just looking for coping mechanisms and creating something that isn’t there so they don’t have to accept that most deaths in young men are simply tragic accidents and happen for no reason Edit: allow me to clarify, i don’t believe in this “theory” in the slightest.

[@scottcantdance804]

I don't think there's some grand connection between them all... or maybe even connections among any of them. Although, there are several cases included in the whole set, that I think were poorly investigated and were likely the result of foul play. It's weird that many of the cases involved men who were found a week or two or three after disappearing, but were apparently only dead, or only in the water, for 1-3 days before being found. It seems like some of those cases, rulings of "accidental" were handed down when that seems to contradict the forensic evidence. Like the case with Todd; ruling it a drowning when he didn't even have water in his lungs.

[@jace9985]

There's definitely something to connect a few cases but I don't think there's some massive serial killer or anything. Most of it seems to just be really unfortunate accidents where guys got drunk and stumbled into water, and most of the malicious intent is from muggers who targeted drunk targets. Todd's is definitely one of the outliers in that regard; there's clearly a lot more to his case, it would be almost impossible for him to get into that situation without anyone at least being aware of it if not causing it.

[@craigm2484]

Hey Julie how are you ? I am not sure how I sit with the whole Smiley face killer deal . Reason being no matter if it is a building or bridge with graffiti there will be a Smiley face it is the most common symbol to make with a can of spray paint so I'm not buying into it . Have a Great Night Sorry wrote this prior to him saying almost the same thing .

[@Golemtx]

It's complete bunk

[@TheOrginalPrincessColey]

I’m just going to say, the smiley face is one if not the easiest to do with spray paint hence why you’ll see it everywhere. I honestly think it’s a stretch with connecting the graffiti to the murders

[@sandrafaith]

Thank you for your kind words about the former El Dorado Jane Doe. She didn't deserve what happened to her. It really struck me seeing that she'd been born only a couple of years before me. 😢

[@RiruRana]

I feel so bad for Kelly. She tried everything she possibly could just to get by despite the shitty hand she'd been dealt, and all she got for it was a terrible end...

[@MarioGoatse]

So true. She tried working, then stealing, then selling her body. She really did try hard! R.I.P.

[@andrewthetruth]

​@@MarioGoatseYou literally just went through dozens of comments to disparage a dead person every time she's mentioned. You're truly pathetic, but what's worse is that you don't understand what it says about you. You think you're winning a moral war, but in reality it says that you're a control freak and a narcissist with no restraint. And you don't even understand why.

[@hannahriley8085]

I love how compassionate you comments were at the end of the video. I worked in the sex industry for over 20 years and most people are super judgemental about others who happen to be struggling and as a result having to live life making decisions they never thought they'd have to stoop to .

[@ElChuntyCabra]

Can i get a discount?

[@Cokehead_Drug_Addict_Zelensky]

I bet your grandchildren will be proud.

[@kdwskdws]

Don't be dick all your life ​@@ElChuntyCabra

[@Bruce-bz3ke]

@@ElChuntyCabra😂

[@Bruce-bz3ke]

20 years is crazy

[@Cuppicakes]

Good job on Kelly's case. Truly a heart breaking short time in this world. Her life seemed to have been stolen by many. 💔

[@cthulhudreams]

I love how respectful you are to the victims. So many true crime channels sensationalize their deaths and it really is horrible. I find you present the stories in such a gentle way that highlights the victim's lives and doesn't try and exaggerate for views. Thank you for treating these people's stories with the dignity they deserve.

[@Mzfashionnn]

I also like how he stays anonymous. I hate when true crime channels plaster their face in the middle of the thumbnail like it’s somehow about them 😒

[@shakh1407]

Which true crime channels do that?

[@tessfabled4115]

@@shakh1407 All of the 'true crime + makeup' and 'true crime + ASMR' channels for one

[@josephoda]

Plagued moth@@shakh1407

[@angelaclouse1359]

Thank you for your compassionate take on the last case. Kelly deserved so much better in life, and we could all learn to be kinder to one another.

[@juliana.x0x0]

I LOVE your off script ending. It's true, and the world would be a better place if more people could recognize that. I grew up with a rocky and unstable childhood, and ended up homeless, addicted to drugs, in an abusive relationship with no sort of family support. I chose to run from my problems, maybe in an attempt to outrun them, I don't know. Anyways, I ended up over 3000 miles away from any one I knew. While I am grateful for the opportunity to change my life and deal with my past so it doesn't control my future, I could have easily ended up as a Jane Doe somewhere. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. People who are stuck in a position where they have no control over the circumstances and are FORCED into making decisions that they wouldn't normally make...they're not going to just lay down and die. Our survival instincts will push us to do things we would never have imagined ourselves having to do. I think having a supportive family is something that is taken for granted. People don't understand how deep of an impact it has to have family that abandons, mistreats, or abuses you. We understand the world based on our experiences, and if someone has had the people they should be able to trust betray them in some way, that's how they view the world...through a lens of mistrust. We learn how to get what we need by figuring out what works for us, whether that's positive or negative. It's just survival. Whenever I hear about tragedies like this, or people growing up to be incredibly evil, MOST of the time, the families played a large part, whether through actively harming someone, or simply ignoring or brushing off concerning behaviors or issues. NOT doing something can be just as detrimental as doing something directly, especially when you are the one responsible for protecting the vulnerable. Life isn't always fair, and some people get dealt a pretty crap hand in life. They should be held accountable for any wrongdoing that created victims, but they should NOT be further shamed, looked down upon, forgotten, ignored, or preyed upon. Many, many people are just one or two decisions away from being in that position, although they don't realize it and would NEVER admit it. We as humans need each other. Kindness and compassion are so valuable, yet seem to be increasingly rare. A little compassion can go a long way for someone who hasn't experienced it in a while.

[@nikkiskyler7784]

Thank you so much for sharing your story. I run a centre for at-risk youth. Many of the youth are at-risk because they never had a chance, they never knew a stable home, their is so much generational trauma, their parents lost everything due to circumstances outside of their control, The list goes on and on. People who have never experienced this type of hardship do not understand the privilege that they have had when compared to these youth. There has been this sentiment, for decades at least, that teens some how just turn evil and responsible for their life path by their own choices. As if children choose to be addicts, choose have mental health issues, choose to be homeless, choose to go hungry, and choose a hard life of misery. Even when these youth it is often seen as on less kid to ugly up downtown and not the loss of a beautiful human being who had so much to give. I think, with how screwed up the world really is and with how many people are now living half a pay cheque away from homelessness themselves as well as how prevalent the opioid crisis is among the middle class people are starting to understand that no one chooses that life and that is can happen to anyone with just one bad day. Maybe one day we will all be willing to help each other out instead of judging someone else's sorrow to make us feel better about ourselves.

[@mookinbabysealfurmittens]

It's true, c/o copaganda and heavy efforts by leaders to paint a black-&-white narrative of "good people" and "criminals". Nothing is that simple, but accepting that systemic issues (side effects and by design) are the root cause is a tough pill for people to swallow. Especially down their nose, from way up on their high horse. _Skip Intro_ has a great series on copaganda and its effects on everything.

[@mookinbabysealfurmittens]

Then there's manufactured consent, but I digress/go too far.

[@juliana.x0x0]

@@nikkiskyler7784 right! One of my favorite creators said recently (Dr. K from HealthyGamerGG), that what he has realized in his 20+ years of experience, is that mental health has evolved into a "you" problem. If you have mental health issues, that's something that YOU need to fix, and get under control. But often times what he has seen is that the problems were created by others and no one wants to take responsibility for it, so the person IS left to deal with it on their own, and being told they are the problem can reinforce that shame and it does nothing to fix the problem! It's so frustrating, to see MOST of my friends from my teenage years either dead or in prison, or on their way, only a handful have made it out. We all had horrific experiences which is what brought us together, that shared struggle. I do hope as well that more data comes out, or however it happens, that there is that shift in perspective from the general public, to understand that real life human connections with compassion and empathy are the only way that we are going to see our society stop unraveling. It's discouraging to see how technology seems to have made it easier for people to feel a sort of separation and divide from others, contributing to so much of the radical and argumentative nature of so much of the internet, and the decreasing time spent actually interacting with our fellow humans. It's so important for people like you and me, who have an intimate understanding of this concept, to be able to use our experiences to hopefully help others understand, and hopefully make an impact on how people see, and treat others that are less fortunate than themselves.

[@juliana.x0x0]

@@mookinbabysealfurmittens oh god, don't even get me STARTED on the whole topic of policing in the US...these two topics are both ones I can (and maybe someday will) write entire books about. The whole thing, put together, really ruffles my feathers. The disenfranchised, poor, marginalized, vulnerable people become re-victimized by the people who are tasked with keeping them safe, while the real criminals (PDFiles, repeat violent offenders, etc) aren't even being investigated, even if you come to them with evidence! The whole system is fükt, from corrupt judges and prosecutors and DA's, down to the patrol officers who get off on having control over someone else's life, freedom, and future. AND because of your comment I went over to skip intro's channel (LOVE that guy!) and watched another copaganda video he has made, as I am already subscribed and have superrrr enjoyed every cop video I've watched of his.

[@Nahobino777]

Kelly's case is so sad and depressing. I know all of them are but in her particular case it's like she was killed twice.

[@madilantz8730]

As someone who works with people not that unlike Kelly, I appreciate your words so much. I had never heard about Kelly's case but from the beginning of your introduction my heart was breaking and I didn't expect any kind of resolution. Thank you for sharing her story and for your very true words about not judging other people. You will never know what it is like until you run out of options which is more likely to happen than many people think.

[@S0m35uy]

Dr. Michael Sikirica, MD: The Based Pathologist.

[@LIQUIDxOCELOT93]

Yes, the forensic pathologist not wanting myocarditis or a fvcked up immune system is indeed very weird.....

[@chuckppyro3137]

Yes let's investigate the Drs superb common sense and non lying eyes

[@absurdum-the-artist]

Kelly's case is heartbreaking. She deserved none of what happened to her

[@chesspiece81]

I would love a Cadaber deep dive into the Lori Vallow case.

[@markwebster5749]

World should forget about her evil cow

[@nuckinfuts7610]

How do you not already know every detail of that case? All you had to be was conscious, it was that impossible to miss.

[@smugshrug]

@@nuckinfuts7610 not everyone is addicted to true crime

[@eviehammond9509]

If I don't hear about that case for 3 more lifetimes, it still will be too soon.

[@amandajohnson8116]

The msm and every true crime KZbinr and their mom have done a deep-dive. Just google a timeline of it…

[@BradPrichard]

Thank you for expressing skepticism about the Smiley Face Killers bit. To me, it's fairly clear that it's a grift. I don't know if the ex-cops are sincere or not, but their work is extremely shoddy, and they're profiting quite a bit from it.

[@cousinted]

Agreed, it's a very flimsy theory and I was glad to hear Cadaber's skepticism. I think it's reasonable to conclude that some of the cases of accidental drowning associated with this theory could be the result of foul play (More due to the law of averages than anything else), but that's very different than them being the result of a singular network of killers. The leaps of logic made to connect all of these together into being the result of a cross-country gang of serial killers who use the most commonly graffitied symbol as their calling card are astounding. It really has a lot of the same vibes as the stuff you'd hear from police officers who classified themselves as "occult crime experts" during the height of the Satanic Panic who were eventually shown to be utterly full of bunk.

[@BradPrichard]

@@cousintedI've definitely seen a few too many KZbinrs present the hypothesis completely creduously. Not surprised that Cadaber didn't bite, but definitely relieved. He seems to take his content a bit more seriously than that.

[@DeezN00tz99]

its creepypasta bullshit

[@BradPrichard]

@@DeezN00tz99 I tend to think it's more Missing 411 style grifting.

[@poindextertunes]

@@cousintedthings aren’t black and white. While the Satanic Panic of the 80s was sensationalized, there are absolutely groups of ppl who follow occult practices and commit crimes. You will never read that in the MSM tho. You have to actually dig into case files. Most serial killers of the 70s/80s with a high number of victims had help. The ones caught were the patsy. The reason you don’t hear about it is bcuz the coconspirators are ppl in power. Cops, lawyers, judges, clergymen, affluent socialites, ect.

[@Presca1]

I follow another true crime channel and they did the case of El Dorado Jane Doe, in the comments - McAlphin actually was responding to comments and trying to still defend himself and talk about her. It was rather creepy.

[@mikebond6328]

What channel? What channel?

[@thehuntressdanni2972]

Woah! That's so creepy!!

[@dirckthedork-knight1201]

Yo what!?

[@kimmcdonald8443]

Can you PLEASE name the channel? Today is the 1st time I had heard this story. I am super intrigued

[@Presca1]

@@mikebond6328 I tried to remember which one and I couldn't recall - but I think it's Crime Hound.

[@_otaku_395]

Thank you so much for the beyond heart warming words you mentioned for Kellys case. Especially when people dehumanize murder cases for sex workers its hard to remind people that they weren't just individuals in a story behind some cruel murderous master minds toy for disposal but just like anyone else far gone down in a shitty situation anyone else could easily fall into with a life you cant escape from time and time again. Really loved how you honored her memory with just the given respects of treating her like a person.

[@calhoun4938]

Paulides is pronounced PAUL - EYE -DES. Not shaming you, Cadaber, because I said it the same way before I heard it prononuced. Just passing it along!

[@LordJordanXVII]

Yeah, but at least he's v*ccinated!

[@sonjonfill]

@@LordJordanXVIIhhahhahaha yes. I heard the vaccine nonsense comment. Shame he’s a sheep

[@caitlinjordan3843]

Todd’s body was definitely planted in the lake after the search was completed. This could mean that the perpetrator was involved in the search and waited till he knew the search was 100% over

[@mistyjudge-cardwell9147]

Logical

[@MarioGoatse]

Definitely planted? Thanks detective Holmes. Glad to have you on the case!

[@howdareyouexist]

prove it

[@Animazed0micky]

I love that someone cared enough to ask to have the last story's DNA ran. She deserved a name and a story. I cared. I wanted her to be known.

[@mikehanrahan5559]

You're words will never "fade from memory" for me. Since graduating high school, I feel like I've developed so much more empathy to the point that some of these videos have me almost fighting back tears. Great video.

[@Rubycon99]

"Cell phones at the time were half the size of a brick" In 2005? Maybe a little thicker, but overall I'd say most phones back then were quite a bit smaller than they are today.

[@rickyspeople]

A" brick" was a really popular early 2000s model Nokia, I think he meant it was the size of a nokia brick , but slimmer

[@reolabranch]

I deeply appreciated your "rant," Cadaber. People can be so quick to judge a person or situation they know nothing about.

[@justincredible.]

Thanks for "the rant" at the end. People need to realize that almost all, if not all, people society looks down on are in their position to no fault of their own. Even serial killers are sick (psychologically) and need help and not vengeance.

[@Avaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

thank you for your concluding statement. very powerful and needs to be heard by more people. nobody is superior to anyone else; nobody deserves their death to go under the radar. i hope we get to a point in society where we can all collectively recognize that

[@howdareyouexist]

no

[@Avaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

@@howdareyouexist i know you didn’t intend this to be funny but bro i cackled out loud when i got this reply notif 😭

[@Mashiroro]

Lori Vallow and her whole fucked story is proof reality is weirder than fiction ever. Like of they ever make a movie based on it- people who don’t know otherwise that it is a true story would say it’s ridiculous. Too ridiculous to be true- because it certainly is ridiculous whilst being very sadly true. And even all the outside details… I know too much about this case since I’ve followed it since the kids went missing 😢 sigh

[@bmcanulla]

The vaccination status of the forensic pathologist has nothing to do with the veracity of his professional opinion on the questionable death of Todd..

[@rickyspeople]

Exactly

[@KaguyaHimex]

As a Michigander, we have so many random ass lakes and ponds all over… Thank you so much for being actively dismissive of the Smiley Face “”theory””, it’s always held as much weight to me as “an alien came down and hit him with a ray gun and he died” 😭

[@derka346]

Yea cadaber is dumb for saying the pathology Dr had black mark because he was anti vax, wtf. Only idiots and cowards got vaccinated everyone knows that

[@glamdolly30]

Your treatment for the final story was eloquent, profound and deeply moving. You earned a sub from the UK.

[@aerro2653]

I felt that ending with my whole heart. I'm one of the lucky ones who was able to claw my way out and so i do exactly that, help others in need.

[@Weeb_Destroyer]

Imagine calling someone “unusual” because they don’t want to put a experiential rushed shot into their body ?

[@bostonsandatot4948]

Thank you for telling Kelly's short, sad story.

[@ianelliott2529]

I was impressed by your compassionate piece on Kelly, and was very moved. Thank you.

[@funwithoutpants]

Amazing video as always, friend. I can't imagine the mental toll delving into these stories takes on you and I hope you are well and taking care of yourself. 💚

[@derka346]

So you're saying the pathologist head marks on his record? Because hes not dumb and didn't believe in getting vaccinated. That just makes him smart and not a coward.

[@evanpetelle5669]

I was going to say something about that. Nothing wrong with not getting vaccinated with something that has about zero good things going for it.

[@forrestgunt668]

Cell phones were not huge in 2005. They were huge in the late 80s. By the late 90s they were a fraction of the size of a modern smart phone.

[@TheZackofSpades]

I love Cadaber content…but no, I don’t need to see more of Vallow. She’s just an insanely sick narcissist. I’m glad she won’t have a free day left as long as she lives.

[@sckzim]

Yeah, I agree the story has been covered so much it felt weird to be in this video

[@lelxnd]

Just because you’ve seen the case doesn’t mean everyone else has also. I’ve watched tons and tons of true crime content and have never heard of this case

[@H1imachicken]

​@@lelxndyeah me either

[@camelliaharpdarkthrope6462]

Never heard of her case until this video... honestly what a sickening person

[@erichthedread4595]

Your words won't fade from memory because I take them to heart. And I try to practice kindness & understanding and especially know that a person can be damned from the very start. This has always been and continues to be a great source of anguish and frustration. But more than anything else, a great sadness.

[@delablo]

I come from a very, very small town. (less than 300 people) My brother lost his best friend in a car accident. The guy was drunk driving after his "last night of drinking" before he was going to try and get sober. My bro, being a fireman and one of the only available emergency workers at the time, had to direct traffic until the scene was cleaned. That sort of thing doesn't ever leave you, and being in a small community, it doesn't leave most of us. I live in a big city now where accidents like this happen almost daily, and I rarely see anyone bat an eye at them. It's eerie, to be honest. Anyway, I appreciated your closing words and how you handle each case with respect. Thank you.

[@lilexistentialcrisis2197]

slown is not a word Cadaber. It's slowed, hasn't slowed down.

[@petesaguy1707]

No surprise he thinks a made up word like "slown" is a real thing. He also thinks refusing to get an under-tested vaccine is a bad thing, so this guy clearly isn't very intelligent.

[@Taybrian1]

Pretty sure the main thing going through Lori's mind was how much money she was going to get. She still got the SS benefits that the daughter was getting from her fathers death and the benefits for JJ's disability.

[@mitchjones9381]

Oh my God dude. Thank you. Awesome upload! I don't have words yet for Kelly. I'm in a bad spot, and this truly resonates. Thank you, again. Inarguably, this is one of your best ones yet!

[@RonaldLee-hx3gl]

Ty man! You tell the stories so well and when you comment on them it makes complete sense. Very insightful. :)

[@endtimesninja1235]

I see Cadaber I click.

[@bobDotJS]

You're a simple man

[@LordJordanXVII]

But are you v*ccinated?

[@pixelnauts7670]

LETS GOOOO BABE WAKE UP NEW CADABER VID DROPPED

[@DonCarlione973]

I love this channel! I'm always looking forward to his next premier. I really appreciate all the hard work, it shows in your videos man. A++ brother 👏🏻👍🏻👍🏻✌🏼

[@symbiote1982pk]

You can't think about bad things happening all the time without going insane? my good man do you have any idea what an anxiety disorder is? because it's literally what you're describing and they don't make you insane.

[@angrybidoof847]

I mean anxiety is a mental illness, and especially when you're on a spiral it makes you very irrational

[@MorningStarMidnightSun]

Finally oh my, understand how hard it is to find someone with reason on the 'smiley face killer'! You worded it amazingly too, I am in strong agreement with what you had to say about the vagueness of their victims. There is stronger evidence for this to be a 411 case imo.

[@SnipSnackPaddywack]

I do remember the mid 2000s, and no, the cell phones weren’t the size of bricks. 🤨

[@carboncringelifeform7907]

He's a zoomer

[@kailoveskitties]

Yeah, in 2005 they were considerably smaller than modern smartphones! You have to go back to car phones to see something the size of a brick lol

[@MegCazalet]

Yes, thank you. Even as early as 2002, my Nokia was tiny compared to modern phones.

[@Operngeist1]

the cell phone I had in school was about a third of the size my smartphone is today. They weren't the size of bricks, but they were about as durable as one

[@hectorg5809]

Give him a break, his brain is probably fried from 4 or 5 covid shots

[@Operngeist1]

myheritage be like: find out what your ancestors where up to! me, a German: uh...

[@mattgonzales774]

thank you for your compassionate off-script statement there - it definitely deeply resonated with me.

[@suzimonkey345]

The awful lives that some people endure, at such a young age, is heartbreaking!

[@jalbiindolcheey2049]

Kelly's case was particularly moving. I'm glad she got her name back. You payed a beautiful tribute to her.

[@kriskobling]

people do not draw smiley faces by default when given a pen or a spray can, which are two very different instruments for drawing things, the first thing that occurs in a mind is not to draw a smiley face but to just draw a straight line or a bunch of lines or sign their name. From my life experience drawing a smiley face by default is very rare

[@leekspinner]

Your delivery always gives me the chills

[@ShwintyKat]

the smiley face killer theory is so dumb, it's just drunk young guys getting themselves hurt because they made the mistake of wandering off on their own and their families/police being too stubborn to accept the fact that it was stupidity

[@imaginarylivingbody7154]

No don’t you see? It’s not likely that young drunk men near bodies of water simply fall in and drown, obviously there must be a country-wide network of serial killers who have never been caught! (sarcasm)

[@carboncringelifeform7907]

​@@imaginarylivingbody7154did you know that people who have drowned, usually drown in water?? There must be a connection! Isn't it weird that there's also trees nearby water, very suspicious

[@imaginarylivingbody7154]

@@carboncringelifeform7907 Oh my god I think we cracked it. The TREES killed them.

[@greggrace967]

When I doodle I make smiley faces. It's one of the things most spray painted. I don't see a connection. Imo... That killer would want to be recognized. And seems to me they would all look the same. People prolly kill others now and leave it on something to throw the cops off the scent. I would.

[@greggrace967]

And yeah.... when you drown you decompose pretty fast in water and I would say 99.99% of the time there would be signs, like water in your lungs.

[@mareenrussell7260]

I kind of take offense at the tone regarding the coroner or the forensic specialist. You didn't need to mention things that were not relevant to the case including, him going on Coast to coast, as well as not being vaccinated. How is that relevant to his findings? If he had done those things, would you have bothered to mention that?

[@jillturner9263]

I kinda agree, had nothing to do with anything.

[@hectorg5809]

I stopped the video right then so he doesn't get more credit for my watch time. This guy lost credibility and my subscription. Granted,one fewer subscriber is nothing in the grand scheme of things, but that's bullshit

[@mareenrussell7260]

@@hectorg5809 yep I hit the unsubscribe button as well. It's a shame because I really enjoyed most of the compilations up until now. Keep your personal biases out of your research, you'll keep a lot more subscribers that way.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

"The mid 2000s when phones were half as big as a brick" And sometimes I wish they would become that small again. Nowadays they' might be as flat as a window, but also equally large.

[@ikejime77]

Bro chinese like 😂 im tryinghgha get a good 👍 chinese chicken 🎉

[@rogwolves4916]

Best video I’ve seen of yours. Moved in so many ways. Thank you.

[@gdtyra]

"you can't think about these kinds of things all the time" oh yes I can...

[@tylertheguy3160]

There's very clearly something wrong in Todd's case. The lack of water in his lungs and the lack of decomposition on his body are major details that I think can't just be waved off. I'm certain something went down between his disappearance and him being found.

[@lilteletubby]

my theory is that someone poisoned him but i cant remember which things people have used to poison people where it doesnt come up in any screenings. my mind immediately went to that cause theres been so many murders that were ruled accidental deaths cause this certain thing doesnt show up in screenings. ive heard about this lady who killed like 3 husbands and they were all rules accidents cause there was no proof she killed them

[@tylertheguy3160]

@@lilteletubby That definitely would make sense, to poison him and try to frame it as a drowning. I wonder why anyone would want to do that though. Todd sounds like a normal dude so it's hard for me to imagine he'd have any enemies, especially ones dedicated enough to kill him. I suppose it's possible that this could've just been a random murder with no real motive beyond the perpetrator just being evil and wanting to kill someone. This whole case is just really eerie.

[@suzimonkey345]

Very well written & presented. Thank you!

[@TheRepeatloader]

on the first one, there is such a thing as a dry drowning, that can explain the lack of fluid in the lung's, but it doesn't explain the time frame difference on how long the body has been in the water... that is the true mystery. (some very rare cases, the bronchial tubes close off in the panic and they literally suffocate instead of drowning.)

[@Mr.MikeBarksdale]

Advertising "my heritage" on a crime cold case channel. I see what you did there, dude. I think you would have to be a Jerry's Kid to give some third party access to your DNA voluntarily even if you've never committed a major crime. My Spidey Sense tells me I should at least keep that information to myself if at all possible.

[@u.sonomabeach6528]

What other type of drowning is there besides accidental drowning?

[@angrybidoof847]

Intentional drowning Like a suicide or murder attempt.

[@vikingodin1986]

Same thing in the UK..young lads go out for a drink end up dead in a canal ..the canals were no where near where they were drinking or on their path home

[@kittyvanending]

I’ve always had hopes and dreams, but what you said hit me hard… because I really never had any chances to make them a reality…

[@limasierra6639]

Same. It's rough.

[@melovil9199]

The last story is so sad… she was a god damn fighter, she survived against all adversity trusting in strangers, going across states with truckers… holding on to menus for memories, always working, idk this story breaks my heart and i hope shes in heaven, finally free from all of this world stigmas. And shes just one of many. May everyone find glory in god.

[@bongwelll]

End the drug war end mass incarceration. It doesn't have to be like this.

[@LordJordanXVII]

The important thing is to get v*ccinated!

[@astarryeyedgirl]

That "rant" at the end is beautiful. Thank you for putting a human face and some soul into your videos. Most of us, especially as very young adults from poor families, don't have a lot of choice about earning money or surviving. I know someone else who entered the same work as an underage girl because her family situation was untenable. She escaped that life and went on to much better things, but she could just as easily have become another Jane Doe somewhere if she'd run into the wrong people/situations.

[@Cockroach_Queen]

A video solely on Lori Vallow is exigently needed.

[@kimmcdonald8443]

I love your videos so much that I check weekly for anything new uploaded. Your ending re: choices blew me away. A huge lump started in my throat & then a searing pain went through my heart. You are spot on! I wish there was someone I could help in my small bubble where I live in tiny town MT. Kelly's case is unbelievably sad.

[@kja101]

I love this channel. Keep up the great work! I love your unique voice and the way you lay out the stories to keep it suspenseful. Love seeing the notification of a new vid when they pop up!

[@user-wj9uo4ri1m]

Excellent point I came from a similar town I've seen this I've seen an examples of this young woman it's a tragic situation that human beings can pray on each other in this manner God bless you for bringing this to light

[@cgmuhoza]

Thank you to keep their memory alive🖤

[@mikuisdiva39]

perhaps you are confusing mid 2k cellphones with mid 90s

[@onearmdaddy]

Best crime channel! Always finds new stories. Does research instead of stealing from other youtubers.

[@carboncringelifeform7907]

Yes he steals from websites instead

[@eviehammond9509]

Yup, so tired of regurgitated content done soley for another post & potential views. Total respect for the channel creators that put their time & effort into the quality of their content instead of the constant reminding of hitting like, subscribe & support the channel. If your posting interesting, quality content you don't have to constantly remind us we'll do it automatically.😂

[@thetechguychannel]

Mid 2000s? Half the size of a brick? Maybe the durability of a brick, but phones were pretty small. I mean, the Nokia 3000 series set the standard for what was an acceptable size for a cellphone in the year 2000, with the 3310 being an absolute hit for its tiny size. Mid-2000s, we were entering into the Motorola RAZR territory. Phones were a LOT bigger in the 2010s when the smartphone really took prominence even in developing countries and Samsung started manufacturing them with very large screens. But the huge cellphone era stopped being a thing somewhere in the mid 90s.

[@chrislawuk]

thanks for correcting that! Tech aside, I swear I'm hearing all sorts of crazy things about the early 2000s these days. I guess we're finally far enough away from it that people are drawing more from inferences and opinion when they don't have clear memories themselves ...

[@deanr1018]

Amazing video with a great statement at the end. I just adore you more with each video, especially now since this is exactly what I live by. Thank you for sharing these cases

[@NotAGreatGamer1981]

Literally nothing wrong with refusing the clot shot. Weird how people think that is a knock against someone. The only people regretting the shot are those that have family members and friends that are dying from "totally not related to the shot" myocarditis and fast cancers.

[@et-intothewild]

There is some serious cognitive dissonance going on with the vaxxed and it’s incredibly disturbing

[@NotAGreatGamer1981]

@@et-intothewild I mean, you can't take it back once you've got it, now they have to tell themselves and everyone around tharm that they weren't used as guinea pigs in the largest pharmaceutical experiment in human history.

[@hectorg5809]

I'm inclined to unsubscribe to this channel because of that. Branch Covidians do not deserve a platform

[@Phobos_Anomaly]

Anti-vaxxers are and always will be one of the greatest threats to public health and society, and it's sad, really, because they have good intentions...but you know what they say about the road to hell.

[@nathanpulliam4013]

I loved the last part it made me tear up because I was that person that all my choices were all bad and i didn't have a chance but i survived and i will be celebrating my 46 birthday 😊

[@skunky-lee]

Heck yeah stoked for this to drop

[@ashleyboots3386]

This one is special. Excellent job.

[@-VOR]

😂 how exactly is Lori's case "shrouded in mystery"?

[@randallsavage13]

Sunday just got a lot better whenever cadaber posts

[@louddog962]

You nailed the outro!! Bravo!

[@dionysoscub]

A new vid from you just made this a great day!🎉🎉🎉

[@prittyflutterbystar]

Yesssss!🎉🥳🎊 Thank you!🧡

[@emo_penguin420]

Hearing about Kelly collecting menus as keepsakes truly humanized her for me; but her end is brought me to tears 💔 RIP Kelly 💔 I hope she is finally resting peacefully. Thank you Cadaber, you truly seem like a genuinely good human.

[@heidetermeg427]

The dabbing skeleton is back! Was waiting for this, homie! Let's GO!