Disturbing Cases With Dark Conclusions

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2:15 Lori Erica Ruff
20:05 Andrea Yates
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[@fredriko.zachrisson9711]

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[@Dragonfly434]

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[@TheZXKUQYB]

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[@PoliticallyPink]

Guys? If your wife has attempted suicide multiple times in the last year, has a diagnosis of post-partum anything, let's not leave her home alone caring for 5 kids under age 8, eh?

[@memento.m0ri.stories]

This is the right take

[@Jacob-Sophia]

And don't continue having children

[@omgnoi]

He also didn’t support her at all, her mind broke

[@TSmith-yy3cc]

💯

[@Thevoidconsumesall]

Yes, ma'am 👌

[@admiralofcuteness]

As someone with ADHD, I can assure you most of us are nowhere near mentally organized enough to plan our own disappearances AND create and maintain a false identity for literally years.

[@noctap0d]

Right?! 😂 Just thinking about all of the work that would go into it it's tiring.

[@imjustjk]

Not only that, but having to remember all the details of your newly created life? I can’t even keep my real memories straight.

[@SOLOLIKETHECUP212]

.....just thinking about how complicated that could end up being makes me want to just shut down..........

[@MorningStarMidnightSun]

@@imjustjk how she wouldn’t share anything about her own life/past makes me wonder if she forgot the details, or never bothered constructing a story in the first place and prayed no one would ask 😅

[@okyep]

You could but why put effort into doing anything when you can slap an adhd label on things and never have to be responsible for your actions

[@marli8907]

Kimberly / Lori sounds like she might have been abused by the new step father. The way she just left never looking back. changed her name twice. wouldn't let her in laws be alone with her daughter. Feels very much like she'd been abused

[@markwebster5749]

I am glad She never killed her daughter to hurt the father and his family as sometimes you hear it

[@sandrafaith]

I think you're spot on.

[@jxn1056]

That's exactly what I was thinking

[@jonniemayhem]

That's stupid

[@PopCultureFan_]

I never even thought about it,. but maybe the mother was in on it? I cant think of anything else.. That would even explain why Kim left and told her own mother to not look for her. I mean if she was abused by the stepfather,. why would she tell her MOM not to come bother looking for her?, and they didnt say anything about her mother or anything..

[@scheezy]

Lori's overprotective behavior of her child makes me believe that she was abused as a child. Not letting anyone be alone with her baby indicates (at least in my opinion) a paranoia of the same abuse happening to her baby at the hands of an acquaintance/family member. Poor lady.

[@jupsoup2444]

plus im sure her paranoia was boosted by whatever mental illness she had

[@theskyworrier]

So she abused her own child by letting her get skinny and hungry, leaving soiled diapers everywhere, house a mess? Nah just seems like a psycho b*tch to me.

[@Alovon]

Well, not sure if she did get abused as a kid (at least there's no indication of it from before her teenage years). It could be in her mind she was traumatized sheerly due to he upheaval in her life when her mother remarried, and internalized that as a definition of abuse for herself. Just food for thought as there are parts that make it very strange with how meticulous her identity swapping was, combined with how no one really was super suspicious after she did disappear

[@corning1]

It seems too obvious. This felt really off. This guy is a hell of a storyteller I was so invested and the payoff was like what!? The lady was just bananas imo. It happens.

[@DanJuega]

@@Alovon How are you sure there was no indication of abuse? It seems like you're doing some mental gymnastics.

[@pixelapocrypha]

Andrea's Doctor: She needs medicine and she also shouldn't have more kids. Rusty: Nah, we're gonna have all the kids we can. Rusty after the incident: Wow why didn't Andrea's Doctor take her seriously.

[@Diana-xn9eh]

uuugh, the anger I feel about this is huge

[@ravenamagna1194]

I had pospartum psychosis after my first baby. Went to hospitalization and stuff which probably saved my life, 15 days of pure HELL. They knocked me out a few times and I was on 14 medications SIMUTANEOUSLY, 3 were benzos. My mother told me I was sedated for 3 days. Andrea Yates case always makes me mad cause her husband was never held accountable for this. She was clearly mentally ill and should not have "as many children as God wanted". My psychiatrist said "DO NOT GET PREGNANT AGAIN, OK? LISTEN, DO NOT GET PREGNANT!" when I was better. Breaks my heart every time when I come across her case.

[@faeriegraver]

I'm sorry you went through this. The case has always made me feel the exact same things you've described. I don't have children. But I have had mental health issues since childhood. She should not have been left alone to care for the children. They knew this. Her husband knew and didn't care. I feel for her, as she wasn't mentally capable, and people around her knew. She was not mentally well enough to know what she was doing. She had a diagnosis. I've been completely delusional before. The medical professionals knew. She was failed. Honestly, it hurts. I feel pain for the children, and for her. But her husband wanted a baby making machine. She wasn't well enough to make these choices. It's tragic.

[@ravenamagna1194]

@@faeriegraver thank u! But I have to say, I was aware of what was happening. I knew her case before I had a baby and that TERRIFIED me. Had to handle my newborn to his father and say "Take care of him, I dont know if I'll be out of this, and I cannot be around him, its dangerous" , my mother is a RN and I've had support from every single person involved. But I was so sure I was going to die or never leave the hospital, and while I was there this girl came in, running and screaming half naked and it took 6 guys to restrain her. She was having a psychotic breakdown as well. She was pregnant with her 6th child and was the same age I am (30 now, 23 back then). Turned out her husband had the same attitude towards her: he wanted a baby making machine, and I remember the doctors having to kick him out of the hospital because he was telling her to "hurry up" and stop the medication. I was pissed myself. And Im from Brazil, we have public healthcare, there is no way I could have afford the hospital in the US. But Andrea was a nurse, her husband worked for fucking NASA, they had the resources to get a proper treatment and yet, here we are. Its just sad.

[@apolloandwarrior_3229]

​@@ravenamagna1194one thing that needs to be drilled into new mothers is the fact you can leave the baby to cry if you are not in a good mental state. If that baby is crying and wailing, it's alive. But as soon as a mother looses it while handling the baby, it can cause irreversible damage. Sometimes stepping outside is what's best for mother and child. One of the best things to hear in ems, in any situation is a crying baby because that means the baby is alive and getting in adequate breaths. That should be a good thing to hear as a parent too because it means they haven't died. And if they're not dead, you're doing pretty damn good considering most humans have never been 20.

[@DJ-yh8hm]

Women are amazing at seeking attention and making themselves victims. A man always has to keep their mouth shout and man up. What a sick world.

[@CyberWarezz05]

I'm sorry this happened, but I don't think the situation here is this easy.First of all, sure, she had problems, but she is still responsible for her actions.I have mental problems too but I always tried my best to treat them with medication and doctors, without any stigma.Second of all, while he was a scummy human being, I doubt he had any power over her.He should've helped and ecnouraged her, but definitely not held accountable for this situation.Third, she could have left, sure, but I doubt that would've been easier

[@user-fy4uv9wb7o]

Having heard a few very detailed accounts of the Yates case, I think Rusty Yates ought to be in jail too. He and his family repeatedly ignored the advice of doctors and declined vital medical and psychological care for Andrea who was very clearly suffering from post partum, then neglected her and the children further, all to conform to a rabidly regressive religious ideology. None of this should have happened.

[@displayer6023]

Rusty definitely contributed heavily to what happened, but I don't think it rises to the level of criminal responsibility. He was just incredibly misguided and failed to understand how serious the situation was. This was the 90s and they were very religious, so it's easy to see why he didn't think mental illness was something to take seriously (I might be stereotyping, but religious people tend to look down on the field psychology because it reduces the "magical nature of the human soul" into something that can be understood and analyzed)

[@jenniferlonnes7420]

Religion can be a dangerously powerful force.

[@nyxspiritsong5557]

​@displayer6023 I disagree. He committed child endangerment at the very least. He was directly told not to leave Andrea alone with the kids but he decided he knew better. I've seen some of his interviews and that man is a narcissistic pos.

[@garden6008]

Her actions are her own. she is a grown woman that should be responsible for her own mental health. no body forced her to marry him, or to kill her kids. her husband is not responsible for her medical and phycological care. Rusty is an awful husband and a bad person, but he is not responsible for the actions of others.

[@Piggyswag4evar]

Blaming the husband when she’s the one who killed the children, with his only “crime” not being able to handle the depression or his wife while being a rocket scientist is crazy.

[@sock9674]

In another video I watched about the Yates case, there were apparently many people who Andrea had expressed the idea of harming her children to, but none actually believed her and thought she was just stressed. Like not only was Rusty ignoring all of the thousands of signs, but a lot of her friends and family also ignored all the signs. She did something horrible, but my god did no one around here give a single shit for her or her children.

[@dabbeatles]

Yeah that aspect makes me really mad honestly. How can a whole freaking community and grown adults fail like that?

[@sock9674]

@@cheesecake134 100%

[@tqless]

Andrea Yates also has refused reviews to be released from the facility she's in even though she's been eligible to leave for years. She's been refusing reviews for over 15 years I believe.

[@vengeance1450]

How come when a murders someone everyone calls him a monster and throws insults, but when a woman literally murders her own children people blame others around her. I don't care what mental illness you have, there is no excuse for murder. Not hating, just generally curious why so many true crime youtubers and their comment sections are biased.

[@sock9674]

It's because in this cases she told many people what she was thinking of doing and no one did shit. They all basically watched this woman turn into a monster and let her kill her kid. If the mother hadn't been so open about her inevitable intentions I wouldn't have any problem focusing only on her.@@vengeance1450

[@donnieaveryfan17]

Everytime I hear the Yates case, I get so angry at Rusty's gross and in my opinion, criminal negligence.

[@CivilEngineerWroxton]

Andrea Yates chose to marry him. She also said that her children were becoming wicked because she couldn't control them, so she obviously thought very much the same way that Rusty did, including before she married him. If she didn't feel like she couldn't handle so many children, she should never have married Rusty because she definitely would have known that he wanted to live the way the Quiver-Full ideology dictates. There are always two sides to every situation and tragedy. Hold Andrea responsible for her words as much as we do with Rusty.

[@DeadAndAliveCat]

And not at the woman who murdered her four children?

[@ichigo.42ga3]

@@DeadAndAliveCat she was completely out of it????? literally psychotic??

[@jxn1056]

@donnieaveryfan17 Same!! I get so angry. He should have never left her alone. Plus he took away her meds.. he should have been thrown in prison himself. He's disgusting imo

[@hvm5210]

@@CivilEngineerWroxton This is idiotic, how would she “know that she couldn’t handle that many children“ before she had them? She also tried to keep from getting pregnant but he insisted.

[@shannond1511]

Doesn’t sound like she had a “support system.”(Kimberly/Lori) As for andrea Yates, it’s absolutely insane for rusty to say the doctor didn’t take her postpartum depression srsly because it was the doctor that warned them against having more children and not taking medication that she needed (so she could get pregnant again). So that literally means that rusty didn’t see it as serious

[@noctap0d]

Right? A support system would be a family who gave you time and space for healing, respecting your boundaries and not encouraging your husband to leave you :/

[@jessicawest8190]

​@@noctap0dLori's "boundaries" were completely psychotic and ridiculous. Somebody refusing to tell their family *anything* about themselves and to not allow anyone near their child while doing obsessive research and eventually stalking that family shows that she was clearly extremely mentally disturbed. When given "space" she let her daughter starve in a soiled crib. Unfortunately it doesn't seem anything could have helped Lori, except maybe being involuntarily committed.

[@scoutz0rs]

@@jessicawest8190Other in-depth discussions on her case reveal that her husband often had his brother speak for him, even in marriage counseling! Something weird was up with everybody involved.

[@rebeccahuang6934]

@@jessicawest8190 Being involuntarily committed would still be helpful. They should've staged a convention when it was obvious she was getting worse. Whether or not Lori would have liked that at the time, it would be good to have someone to help her with her mental health.

[@jessicawest8190]

@@rebeccahuang6934 sure, but at that point I don't think it's the responsibility of her in-laws to focus on her mental health care when she's becoming physically dangerous to their family. Unfortunatrly Lori didn't have a support system to help her, and that was 1000% by her own design.

[@Deedoof]

For Lori Ruff there had to be mental illness. Tourette's is not a mental disorder, it's neurological and it's not easy to live independently depending on the severity much less care for a child.

[@TheKatieLea]

Yeh, I literally laughed out loud at the suggestion "she may have had ADHD" as a reason for it

[@Deedoof]

@@TheKatieLea I scoffed out loud and replayed that bit to make sure I wasn't imagining things.

[@ConsistentlyInconsistent21]

OCD and ADHD doesn't make people act like that. Its gotta be abuse.

[@knownworld5992]

@@TheKatieLeaNAH FR I WAS LIKE SIR

[@mikuisdiva39]

yeah yeah she was nuts, what else

[@Digitelanimefan]

Rusty Yates wasn't legally responsible, but he certainly was _morally_ responsible.

[@rob41137]

Rusty’s statement about Depression aged like fine milk.

[@marshallgoodman6913]

It’s so sad that he can comprehend space engineering but can’t comprehend of postpartum psychosis

[@sheepkind]

“like fine milk” 💀

[@rob41137]

@@sheepkind I enjoy a glass of Whole, and 2023 vintage was a great year 🤌

[@jxn1056]

​@@marshallgoodman6913All the book smarts, yet no common sense

[@amydeel8653]

Thank you for telling Andrea Yates' story with empathy and also explaining more about postpartum and how hard it is. I suffered from postpartum depression and anxiety and it truly made me feel like I was falling apart. Postpartum psychosis is just so hard to understand and a heavy thing to deal with while trying to care for children. Rusty Yates should be held accountable for his part in all of this. He ignored all doctors orders and all of those around him telling him that Andrea was not a safe person to be around at that time. His own mother said that Andrea should not be alone with the kids. All of this falls on his shoulders. Andrea absolutely was not mentally well. Partners, please take note of each other after having children. Without my husband encouraging me to get help, I would have just allowed myself to be miserable. Support after having children is 100% necessary.

[@sabrinatscha2554]

I still don’t feel bad for her.

[@ratdog6317]

​​​​​​​@@sabrinatscha2554 that's understandable. I get how people sympathize with her illness but I can also understand why someone would lose any sympathy the moment she took it out on her children, whether she was stable in her reality or not. It sort of seems like some people empathize with Andrea so much that they forget/lose their empathy for her children, and I find that disturbing. It seems like some people even get offended when someone dares to focus their compassion on the children for even a second, which is even more disturbing. I can't even imagine how much they suffered and terrified & confused they were in their last moments, hopefully they're at peace now. Even more heartbreaking that the 7 yr old tried to escape and was snatched back by Andrea to meet the same fate as his siblings

[@77Creation]

It’s always the man’s fault… Nah…she killed them kids. She deserves all the blame.

[@ratdog6317]

@@77Creation She definitely deserves the blame but I can't say her husband deserves no blame either. And that's not me just saying that because she's a woman since I've felt the exact same way about mothers who have left their children alone with deranged, unstable, dangerous men and then try to act all shocked when something horrible ends up happening to the kid

[@maddie9655]

@@77Creationthe blame is kind of on her husband as well. he knew that she was very ill and continued to get her pregnant despite her continued mental health issues leading to psychosis. if you leave your kids knowingly in a dangerous situation then you bare responsibility as well.

[@CrypticCrap]

Sort of confused as to why ADHD, Tourettes, and OCD were brought up by family members in regards to Kimberly's case?

[@rocketbilly]

Because people love to blame all your problems on those things if you have any of them. My whole family loves to blame all of my issues on my ADHD. Idk why the hell they'd think any of those things would make her want to leave the way she did. I feel sorry for her.

[@CrypticCrap]

@rocketbilly yeah for real like I have pretty severe ADHD and the things people think it causes when compared to the actual effects it has on my life is insane

[@paroxysm9112]

Honestly I have no idea. Adhd and the others wouldn’t have anything to do with literally leaving your family and moving across the country to start a new life lmao. Kinda annoying it was even mentioned in that regard

[@gavinandmorty]

Honestly as someone who has the adhd, ocd, tourettes combo. It would make a lot of sense to me. It's no joke... as someone who has changed their name, had identity crises and thought if I didn't run away and commit arson I would become the next Jeff Dahmer (I am much better now) but left untreated? Yeah I could see it

[@emilydavis162]

@@paroxysm9112a lot of people seem to think the impulsivity symptom of ADHD means crazy shit and not just “hehe I’m gonna skip school today”

[@jhoannaacasio1750]

I'm a mother of 5 and I used to work as a health care provider at a hospital. Not only have I experienced post partem depression, I've seen how it affects other mothers as well. Post partem depression (PPD) can be brutal and debilitating. A woman's body, after her 1st cycle, is for the part consistently being prepped to become pregnant and if conception isnt achieved within 3-4 weeks she has a menstrual cycle. Women tend to go through a plethora of emotions, and pain during their cycle. When a women gets pregnant those same emotion and hormonal changes are exponentially increased 10 fold. I've seen women who were ecstatic to be pregnant and attend classes that assist in the preparation of giving birth and workshops on how to properly breastfeed a newborn. During ultrasounds they would be excited to find out the sex of the baby so they can throw a baby shower and have a gender reveal But after giving birth all that excitement and anticipation quickly turned to stress and sadness. When it came to breastfeeding their baby, they would change their minds and simply have the nurses bottle feed instead. I as well had post partem and it seemed after each birth it took longer to be subdued. Though I was fortunate to have a strong, loving and caring support system to help me in times id feel overwhelmed. it can take up to 6 months for some women to overcome PPD. and if she was giving birth back to back, her body physically, mentally and emotionally was givin no time to recover. on top of than she really had no one else to turn to even when she was blatantly telling her husband of her mental issues and didnt think her condition was important enough to ensure her health. This poor woman was a ticking time bomb

[@random_duck1]

Poor kids. Depressed or not she was thinking for herself.

[@alwaysdisney2665]

Doesn't justify what she did. She had many mental issues including psychosis wich is a very dangerous mental issue alone.Also she was obviously extremely narcissistic. Depressed people aren't dangerous, narcists and people with lack of empathy are.

[@We_Are_All_Vultures]

​@@alwaysdisney2665no one is trying to justify anything, but we are trying to understand and explain it so it doesn't happen again. That's the goal.

[@dm44444]

The Lori Ruff story has always hit me very hard. I recently discovered that someone very close to me did something similar; I was helping her clean through boxes of old documents and found that she had gone through three previous names and social security numbers. I always knew she had a very bad past, but she was very secretive about it. She was 83 then (now 85); I suspect she either didn't remember those documents were findable or just decided at her age she doesn't care anymore. I never asked her about it. Just seemed like it would have been cruel to at that point, but it makes me wonder how many other women born in the 30s-60s out there have taken advantage of how easy it was to steal identities back in the 70s/80s to run from abusive pasts.

[@fi_renatoenjoyer]

The Yates story happened when I was around the same age as the little boys--about 2 years old. We lived on the same street as them, at the same time, with a similar amount of kids (big family.) My dad was a NASA engineer, like their father, as well at the time. My mother got many calls that day when people around our community heard the news and thought she had been the one to do it, asking her things like "are you okay?" and "where are your children?" Thankfully, it was just coincidence that our families were so similar, and my fate didn't turn out to be the same as the poor victims. When watching this video for the first time, I saw the bubble bath visual and instantly knew what story you were going to cover without even looking at the name. I've never forgotten the stories, and how eerily similar my family was to theirs. It's something that's stuck with me for 20 years. I probably even would've been friends with the boys, if they had grown up with me. A piece of my heart is always thinking of them. Thank you for covering their story.

[@MorningStarMidnightSun]

Wow….saved by the flutter of the butterfly’s wings….what a wild anecdote, thank you so much for sharing. This must weigh on you a lot in a peculiar way, but if there is a _something_ after death, I’m sure the children would look upon you as a friend eternally 🤍

[@slicedbread5692]

Yeah. Luckily your mom isn't a serial killer.

[@aquila25]

I feel for the first responders in the Yates case. What a horrific scene to be confronted with. Those poor babies 😢

[@vampirechick1159]

That case in particular infuriates me because it was clear this woman had post-partum psychosis and yet it was ignored until it was far too late.

[@SakuraAsranArt]

Colleen Fitzpatrick is an absolute legend! She has helped give so many families answers to what happened their loved ones and I just wanted to take a moment to appreciate her incredible work and dedication.

[@thilsiktonix]

Absolutely. A true icon.

[@djjacek76]

Lori might been abused by her parents/parent. Sexually or physically. Her mother could be an unreliable narrator (it's not uncommon, my own mother claims she never abused me and even called me psychotic, because allegedly she doesn't remember this).

[@sandrafaith]

My guess would be the stepdad...

[@theskyworrier]

I think she was just crazy.

[@katzarkul]

The first thing I thought when I was going through it was that she must have been a child to narcissistic parents. The fact that she remembered every small slight and held it against everyone was a major hint. Children of narc parents often develop some of those traits. What you're saying about your own mother sounds awfully similar. Narcs are master manipulators and gaslighters.

[@amberrose8137]

Thank you for speaking both intelligently and compassionately about postpartum mental disorders. It seems like a lot of people will mention them in passing and that’s not always great.

[@allyrat]

Post partum depression is a truly horrifying thing we just refuse to talk about. My Grandmother had it, spent majority of my mum's childhood trying to off herself or in mental hospitals. Then how bad the mental hospitals treated her would make her more eager to do it. Luckily my Grandfather had head on his shoulders and decided to look after her himself instead of listening to the doctors or church. I don't think my Grandmother or my Mum or any of her sisters would be alive today if he hadn't taken her seriously

[@Phoebe5448]

Yeah, my mum has claimed to have it at some point. She was going through a lot with my biological father, she lost a few potentials and I came along rather sick when I was finally born. I'm my mother's only child. Then again, when I was 16 and told my mum I was depressed she immediately snapped back that "You're not depressed! You've never had REAL depression!! I'VE had REAL depression after I had you!" Also the whole being an emotionally neglectful and abusive alcoholic.

[@Mewse1203]

Rusty Yates is just as responsible for the children's deaths as Andrea. He might as well have given her the gun.

[@scheezy]

Absolutely not

[@rileymccafferty5791]

yep, his children would still be alive if he had given she wife the proper care.

[@Mewse1203]

@@scheezy absolutely definitely

[@briasandifer210]

@@scheezy*Absolutely,* he completely neglected her in her poor state and purposely went against what the doctor said about stopping with the babies “because God”. He might not be a murderer like her, but he sure as hell is a negligent dumbass.

[@alisonkalbskopf6817]

Willful ignorance plus radical religious ideology

[@Slampty]

Two cases of mental health issues without propper oversight.

[@pickle7433]

Classic

[@Slampty]

@@laidychencarrasco2562 it was said that she shot herself, also you can research, it's easy to find.

[@bloggerofthebloggish]

@@laidychencarrasco2562he said it was a self inflicted gunshot wound but no-one knows why

[@misseselise3864]

@@bloggerofthebloggishwell she left suicide notes but the recipients of both said they contained only “ramblings from a clearly disturbed person”

[@bananainacup]

@@laidychencarrasco2562did you not listen to the video bubbah?

[@genesisv]

would like to add that andrea had a history of schizophrenia/psychosis episodes as well as her family has a history of it. she was in and out of treatment and they were warned that she shouldn’t be alone with her children, rusty and his family are culpable because they ignored doctors warnings and even andrea didn’t want any more children. it’s so sad for her and sad for her children.

[@mlisaj1111]

That is a scary thing with post-partum psychosis- it can strike those who have no psych history, no family history and who were perfectly “normal.” Some with it have a psych history, but many don’t and it can literally happen to any woman after birth.

[@ctobolsk]

As someone who was diagnosed with bipolar disorder in the 90’s, mental illnesses were really not properly treated or understood then. Lots of people treated me like I was doing things on purpose and just needed to pull myself together and act right.

[@SSB2121]

My mom's best friend was on the Andrea Yates jury. She still has PTSD to this day because of the trial.

[@cdes1776]

Those are not images that are easily processed.... :(

[@IamMorgue]

I suffered from post partum depression and acute post partum psychosis. I can never fully describe how it felt to people who never have gone through it. You feel so alone and ashamed. Youre sleep deprived,in pain, mentally and hormonally crashing, depressed, and on top of that you are no longer your own person or can prioritize taking care of yourself first. Its scary,and you feel like theres something wrong with you,and you question why you arent like all the other moms. Youre mad, and sad at the same time. You feel like you cant reach out because people will call you a bad mother even though you just need guidance. What Andrea Yates did was awful and inexcusable but having been in that mental state and having a shitty husband forcing her to have kids depsite her and her doctors saying not to, i can understand why this tragedy happened. Rusty should be held accountable for this, he knew exactly what he was doing to her,and barely gave her 5 second in between pregnancies to try to get better.

[@sandrafaith]

Sounds absolutely awful. Sorry you had to go through this!

[@IamMorgue]

@@sandrafaith Thank you 🖤

[@radish6740]

This is the case that put postpartum depression/psychosis in common vernacular. Glad to see a retrospective through younger eyes. At the time, no one understood.

[@123leyang321]

@mechupaunhuevon7662 It took us a very long time to properly start categorizing and even considering the existence and dangers of psychological health problems. People would go through the worst mental disorders (temporary or permanent) and simply get mass labeled as "crazy" or "wimps" that need punishing to "get right in the head" and adjust properly into society.

[@Vizivirag]

​@@123leyang321yes. We have descriptions of symptoms of PTSD and CPTSD from medieval times, but back then people went 'yep, guess XY went mad' andvthey didn't really had the means to treat these conditions.

[@rumck]

if you can understand her, you're a psychopath

[@haruki456]

​@mechupaunhuevon7662Because pregnancy and women's health in general has been seen as a mystery not worth exploring. First person accounts of emotional changes and distress were not taken seriously. It's considered shameful.

[@CuriousGeorgeFloyd]

I remember the Yates case being talked about on the news the morning of 9/11. They cut away from a story about her court appearance to the towers on fire.

[@AtrocityEquine01]

With Lori, there _had_ to have been some some trauma that made her decide to do the things she did. But it's sad a young girl won't grow up with her mother. And as for Andrea, it's horrible to think that her own husband didn't care for her mental issues and cared more for the _religious views_ he followed and it lead to their lives losing the children they had and whatever futures said kids could have had.

[@theskyworrier]

Personally I just think she was nuts.

[@marleyross5455]

Andreas case has always broken my heart. I wrote a research paper on her case and other cases of psychosis, I don’t think people understand truly how much it changes your reality.

[@marleyross5455]

Additionally, which wasn’t mentioned, she voluntarily is in the mental facility. She’s given an opportunity every year to leave and she’s continued to stay residing there.

[@roximusmaximus195]

Post natal depression can strike without previous mental health problems.. I'll never forget reading about a British woman a few years ago. Her and her husband had tried for years to have a baby,spent thousands on fertility treatment ect...and they finally got what they wanted - twins,2 baby girls. Life was supposed to be perfect. Just 2 weeks later,the husband woke up to find his babies crying and his wife missing from their house.. She had woken up that morning and walked to the motorway behind their home,and threw herself into the path of an oncoming truck...she died at the scene. Post natal depression is terrifying.

[@skullcandy3613]

In the words of my not so mentally stable mother "If your glass is only half full babies will empty it"

[@chesspiece81]

Wow I wasn't expecting a new Cadaber upload but I'm very excited for one! It helps me combat alcoholism, LOL.

[@psilocin9533]

Stay strong brother

[@memeju1ce]

ironic advertisement lol in all seriousness, i hope everything keeps on track. stay strong and look after yourself! good on you ❤

[@DeathByRoaches]

its better watching Cadaber lit

[@chesspiece81]

@@memeju1ce Oh no no I am sorry, I am not combating alcoholism, my comment was about that being thrown in the ad.

[@memeju1ce]

@@chesspiece81 i’m sorry for misreading that! if anything i’m glad though, keep up not being an alcoholic lol

[@105lbproblem6]

It’s terrifying struggling with depression alone, but it’s just mortifying thinking of struggling openly but being shrugged off like the case of Andrea Yates. She needed mental help.

[@sabrinatscha2554]

She needs the chair.

[@105lbproblem6]

@@sabrinatscha2554 if she had gotten the mental help she needed she might not have done what she did. I agree she deserves punishment but she should have been found mentally incompetent to stand trial since she was at the time dealing with psychosis.

[@rickyspeople]

have you never heard the name Erica? it's like Eric with an A on the end lmao "Ereeka"

[@sandrafaith]

I admit I had a LOL at that pronunciation. ehREEKah

[@jiteshtiwari136]

The problem in the second case is such an embarrassment to humanity.. I'm out of words on this example of the worst within us. Their specific beliefs played a Monumental part in both of Rusty and her wife's actions. Both of them could have tried to look the right way but could they have been convinced for it? From their ignorance it seems unlikely. Could have given away those kids, Rusty could have tried divorce, but it's as if their minds just blocked out any signs of wrong doing. What a grave disaster that was.

[@mypud4068]

Especially considering how smart rusty is, I can never reconcile those two things with people like that. I'm not saying if you believe in god your Inherently stupid but how do you not see the gigantic hypocrisy and leaps of logic it takes to believe that deeply, so I guess I'm speaking more of fundamentalists then I am someone who just believes there's a creator

[@verycooltricks8176]

Lowkey the Lori Ruff case makes me feel a type of way, I hate my life and everything that’s happened in it and wish that I could start over far away from where I live and the fact someone could do that honestly does give me this weird feeling. I wish everyone around me could forget me and I could just be someone else.

[@brycecoaster6708]

You can start over - gym - travel - do it you got this !

[@9hostalien]

wherever your path leads you I hope you find happiness!

[@heidinolastname44]

Same, friend. And I love stories about disappearances where it turns out the person disappeared on purpose. Absolutely fascinating

[@avebave6550]

Cadaber intros: 🤡🥳🕺💃 Cadaber videos: 😮‍💨😔😬🫣

[@sandrafaith]

Re: Andrea? So sad, so many red flags ignored. (I wholehearted l believe that it was Rusty's decision to have more kids. Evangelicals tend to be _very_ patriarchal.) Andrea is probably in the place she most needs to be.

[@6lacksappho456]

Fosure, and what from what I've read about her recently she's in a better mental state with higher spirits

[@focusaddiction3460]

Of course it's always the man's fault when women talk about anything... Women never take responsability for anything, it's just so easy to blame men for everything

[@Bonkpunktexe]

considering he also remarried and then that wife left him as well? i wouldnt be at all surprised if it was his idea and that he was pushing it. also considering his statements about depression and also later on blaming literally everyone and everything other than himself for what happened i think he knows he is responsible as well. i think he should have been held responsible as well, leaving Andrea alone with the children when she was in such a bad mental state when he KNEW she was suicidal is just pure negligence.

[@dabbeatles]

​@@BonkpunktexeHe sounds like a narcissist. Anyone who cares for their children do not do what he did.

[@im19ice3]

the lori-kimberly case lives rent-free in my mind, the stress she was clearly under near the end of her life was clearly long incoming and her family of origin leaves me with many questions

[@cheri9211]

Rusty pushed his postpartum depressed wife to keep having kids after he knew she was struggling because she was isolated. A doctor told him having more children would break her mentally and he still wouldn't stop. He needed to leave her in the hospital to get better.

[@maesanthrope9270]

That Andrea Yates case makes me sick to my fucking stomach. She asked for help multiple times and her doctor WARNED her husband not to have more kids with her or stop her medication. But of course logic doesn’t mesh well with literally cult beliefs. That “father” is just as responsible for those poor children’s lives as the Andrea is. Maybe more so.

[@bananainacup]

Is that actually how Lori pronounced her middle name? I’ve never heard Erica pronounced that way

[@acatreassuresyouthateveryt7842]

This is just a theory, but the reason why Lori obsessed with her husband family (name, bloodline, etc) but refused to socialize with them is probably to make sure that her husband family is not connected in any way to her old family. I don't know what happened to her but she is definitely a very detailed person and a very cautious woman

[@starwyn7]

Thank you for telling the second story from a rational point of view, not an emotionally driven one which encourages viewers to make uneducated judgements against others. If more people paid attention to the reasons these devastating tragedies happen then we might actually have some hope in preventing it rather than just punishing after the fact. Because that ain’t saving any lives.

[@dankone3]

No he’s definitely emotional, blaming the dad left and right as if he was the one who killed the children, while on the same token defending the bitch who killed them. There’s no reason (and nothing to be educated about) why those children had to die regardless of whatever bullshit the mother was going through

[@Glaedr11]

My sister has always wanted a lot of kids. I remember shortly after my 2nd niece was born my sister told me that she felt a lot different than after her first child and that she wasnt sure if she wanted to have any more kids and they weren't going to try for any more kids for a while, and maybe pursue adoption if she continued to feel that way. I think we take for granted our own and our loved ones ability to understand the internal self and make rational decisions.

[@ElSantoLuchador]

Lori had breast implants and her husband didn't even know? Those were all silicon back in the day. It's pretty hard to mistake them for real under close...uh...inspection.

[@Firecracker119]

I definitely get the vibe that Lori Ruff was fleeing an abusive home, and changed her identity to make sure she was never tracked down. I wanted to do the same thing when I was still living with my abuser.

[@9hostalien]

I hope you're in a better place now!

[@BaobhanloreArt]

On the topic of PPD and PPP, I actually want to suggest that it's entirely possible Lori had a form of it that may have been furthered by a past trauma. My mum had PPD that maifested in a way more akin to severe anxiety and paranoia. She was always scared to take me outside, thinking one day someone might come out if the bushes and attack her then steal me from my pram. She wanted to isolate me and often didn't even trust her family in case they weren't careful enough. Hearing about Lori's behaviour towards her daughter, I can't help but think of her. She also had trouble feeding me and I had intense acid reflux. There are several medical conditions that cause kids to be underweight and the descriptions of her overly cautious behaviour don't strike me as neglect. Maybe she'd convinced herself the food she ate was dangerous too, or the stress of seeing her mother breaking made the daughter lose weight. It could be a lot of things. I definitely agree she had some form of trauma, not tourettes or adhd because i have both and know they don't make you do that. Without prior behavioural issues, I'd doubt she'd just run away from home and bever return. Rebellious, confused and scared kids usually come back home. She may have had something to run from, maybe a person in her new life. I coudld definitely see that building into PPD. Though I kust preface I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist and I'm just basing this kff of personal experiences. May Lori Ruff rest in peace.

[@deitchj003]

I’m combating alcoholism

[@burninghippies5355]

Tbh me too

[@chocomelo454]

ayy congrats man you got this

[@jacobmiller6189]

Opiate and methamphetamine addiction for me but I was an alcoholic in a past life. I can say from years of experience that being an alcoholic is a worse time than being a heroin addict. I was drinking as soon as I woke up and felt horrible 24/7. At least with heroin I felt good while I was high. I'm on Subutex maintenance now and it saved my life. Ain't did heroin/ fetty for a year but I'm smoking ice as I'm typing this. My point being is, for some people (like me) there will always be an addiction of one thing or another. Some are worse than others. They are all a rollercoaster. Like heroin, alcohol can be physically addictive and anyone that hasn't experienced physical withdrawal cannot possibly understand that experience. It like describing colors to someone blind since birth. If your down in the dumps about it, hang in there u can make it better but if ur having a good time with it, party on bro. Sorry I'm rambling but I'm high

[@JustStop19]

I combating methadone addiction..

[@castielnovak6063]

​@@jacobmiller6189same

[@QT5656]

Has anyone ever suggested that Lori was suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder: smart, attractive, charming, articulate, fear of abandonment, love me don't leave me, private, secretive, introspective, fear of rejection, sensitive, hates any criticism, remembers all perceived insults, anger, self harm, ?childhood trauma, ?INTJ, clearly wanted love but also pushed people away. BPD is often thought to develop due to a fear of abandonment caused by childhood trauma or rejection. I read a couple of books on the topic a few years ago but I'm obviously not an expert. Whatever Lori was suffering from it's very sad she didn't get the help she needed.

[@zoetakencareof]

i am intj. what does that have to do with bpd ?

[@QT5656]

@@zoetakencareof Obviously not everyone, or even most people, who are INTJ, have BPD. Nevertheless, people with BPD often seem to show traits associated with INTJ (I did put a ? next to it).

[@cdes1776]

Lori would have needed a proper in-depth assessment that wasn't going to happen; she revealed herself to NO ONE. It's safe to assume she was traumatized and spent the rest of her life as far away from it as possible in every way. Hypervigilance takes a lot of energy. We only know about Lori what we've been told, not her own words. p.s. I have EUPD, and am INFJ.

[@noctap0d]

Please tell me I'm not the only one who feels that Blake's family was a little too pushy with Lori. As an introvert, autistic woman who has suffered her fair share of trauma, I get the overprotectiveness that can overcome you when you have your first child and I imagine it's even worse for someone who suffered previous miscarriages. Their baby was only two! At that age can be specially hard to trust other people with your child, because they can't really talk to you about how they're being treated. Idk, man, this is why is important to talk about all of these issues before you get married 😢 I feel so bad for her.

[@pinkbubblesnake]

When I heard "how to hold a baby" I was like I don't think this is kind help, I think this is overbearing "I know more than you" help.

[@mish3l456]

The second story is truly devastating. I don’t think a lot of people realise how Postpartum Depression changes things completely. A lot of families became the victim of this condition. It is the responsibility of the wife, husband and doctor to be very much aware of this condition, the people who are close to the pregnant lady should also provide emotional support whenever needed. I’m really surprised I have never heard of these cases. That’s truly quality content.

[@Mskitten1313]

Rusty makes me so angry but I'm also not surprised. He ignored the doctors, his wife, everyone cause he knew best and then wants to blame everyone like they didn't tell him. I just....he can rot

[@sp0gVG]

dude lost 5 children you dont think he's suffered enough?

[@maryvampiregirl666]

​@@sp0gVGNo

[@ashantythegreat3231]

​@@sp0gVG it was half his fault. For being neglectful and dumb, leaving your children to someone who isn't even mentally stable enough to take care of themselves, is a dumb move. Like 10 suicide attempts, years of depression, yet you married her and had children, knowing it will break her, especially when it is religion, that she can't oppose? Heck, he suffered. Nobody denying that. But nobody should pretend the ignorance and denial he showed on TV caused his children's death. If your relative even has the thought of depression, as a suicidal person, get them help and DON'T give them responsibilities. They cant take care of themselves. He should had helped her mental health FIRST.

[@sp0gVG]

​@@ashantythegreat3231 Yeah from the sounds of it Yates really should not have been anywhere near children or have been forced to provide for them in her mental state but I mean she was still an adult who was responsible for her actions and I cant help but feel like the guy in this case has gotten so much ire from the comments particularly telling him "to rot" when he already had his five most precious things in the world taken from him, no less from the person he trusted the most... like what about the person who drowned their own five kids in feces? Do you think 7 year olds just do not fight back while being drowned? does she not deserve to rot, or only Rusty Yates because he didnt do it with his own hands? or maybe just practice a little sympathy, and feel bad for the guy.

[@ashantythegreat3231]

@@sp0gVG I do feel bad for the guy for his lost, but that's it. I feel more sympathy to Yates due to her mental state and how ppl didn't help her. She was a adult but being a adult doesn't make you immune to any mental illness. And being a adult doesn't mean you always are responsible. Those who do say they are are lying, because you fuck up at least before in your adulthood. The problem is, he forced her to stay. He wanted lots of children due to his religion, tell me what can she say? And also, wasn't she 7 weeks before her pregnancy at the hospital for a suicide attempt, where a more professional adult told him she has to stay there and have no more children? Seeing how he neglected his children's mother mental health, I won't be surprised he would be denial when he forced her to be with the kids to "learn" and etc, knowing damn well he was a parent too and the ones more liable to take care of the kids.

[@momcat2223]

Great to see a new upload and much appreciate the first installment, as I was unaware Lori Ruff's true identity had been determined. As for the second installment, to this day I struggle with my deep dislike for Rusty Yates [and his _stark_ lack of compassion] and the Quiverfull movement. It's one of the most egregious examples of patriarchy at its worst. That path is easy to follow if all that's required is to plant a seed when the time is right and then drive away every day, leaving EVERYthing else to the wife and mother. Grrrrrr.

[@jxn1056]

I agree 💯 and feel the same about him.

[@always_b_natural703]

I was raised in a fundamentalist Christian church. Even as a kid, I knew those involved weren't Christian acting, only Christian talking.

[@nexaentertainment2764]

Barely Sociable has an excellent video on the topic which also covers other similar topics. I believe the video title is something like "the book linked to 70000 disappearances". Highly recommend if you like this kind of stuff.

[@always_b_natural703]

@@nexaentertainment2764 THX for the tip. I watched it and it was very good

[@InfantGoose6565]

Yea let's hold the monster that killed her own kids accountable for her actions at all!!

[@destiny4407]

It’s unnerving of how similar my father is to Lori. Through out my life his mind had downspiraled until now he can’t trust his own parents, takes apart his flip phones, and even his car. In his room, my grandpa and I had found multiple letters or papers full of rambles that made no sense, as well as keeping an old art I made at 13 saying it’s satanic. Now, he prefers to stay in his stationary car a couple blocks away from my grandparents where his car has been dead for a couple years already.

[@nickgeraci9846]

lmao how does blake not realize Lori had breast implants after "trying very hard" to have kids for years

[@Agencetourix]

He'd probably never seen a pair of boobs in real life before. If you look at those really old paintings that are centuries old and have naked or half-naked women in them, you can clearly tell which painters have actually seen a naked woman and which ones haven't. I think a similar thing applies here.

[@zuttoaragi8349]

They're, or at least he is, devout Christian. Meaning nothing fancy in the bedroom.

[@DonJuanDecepticon]

She was soaked with……..””tension builds” water. 😮

[@memento.m0ri.stories]

Ayyy that’s my voice 😊 always a pleasure working with ya! 20:37

[@maximumbeans9310]

Thank you for giving post-partum depression and anxiety a respectful explanation. I’ve seen my wife struggle after both our kids and it’s hard to witness because you have no sure answers to a lot of fears around your children. You put them to bed each night without a guarantee that sudden infant death syndrome won’t take them before morning. You can’t be sure that a careless driver won’t lose control, plow into your car, and take them from you. There are so few guarantees and for new parents, especially mothers, it can be insurmountable.

[@industrialover]

I live near clear lake Texas. I was a waitress at a very popular bar in 2005/2006 & Russell Yates was a regular of mine. This was before his second marriage, he was dating at the time. The first time he opened a tab with me I knew his name looked familiar, but I didn't realize who he was until a bartender said something. I think he kept using me because I treated him like anyone else at the bar, who knows. Very polite, never tried to hit on me. Having said that, He really failed his mentally ill wife. I just feel bad for everyone involved

[@neljonhporia]

So happy you uploaded today, just discovered your channel and binge watched all your videos.

[@kairoscomic]

Thank you for talking about postpartum psychosis. I'd heard of the depression side of it before, but never knew about the psychosis until someone I know had it. It's horrifying. She was hallucinating and terrified, and basically turned into a different person for a while. Thankfully they have a great support system and got through it, both baby and mother healthy and happy, but I know that it still affects her (even a completely healthy pregnancy and birth can cause PTSD). I'm so proud of them.

[@sarahr9894]

Great video but I cannot get over how you pronounced Erica 😂😂😂

[@chellyfishing]

The story of Andrea Yates always makes me so furious and heartbroken for Andrea. Public opinion has NEVER held Rusty accountable to the degree he actually was (which in my opinion is completely), so it's always cathartic to hear someone not mince words about what an absolute garbage excuse for a human being he is.

[@hammerdown8008]

Heck yes, I rarely get to spot a video within minutes of it going up. Been waiting on this, Cad. Bring on that spooky audible chocolate.

[@TheSteakJustice]

God I was a kid when the Angela Yates media circus was going on, it really goes to show how pervasive the misunderstanding of mental illness is because that was a clear memory I had back then and didn't learn any of this post-trial information until just now because after the case people stopped talking about her, she was a child murderer after all so why spare this clearly emotionally broken woman a passing thought?

[@scheezy]

Because she brutally murdered her own children.

[@TheSteakJustice]

@@scheezy Yeah, no kidding! My point is that maybe if we examined what caused awful people to do awful things then maybe we'd be able to do something about this extremely pervasive problem in society, or at least shine a light on the problem so people are aware of it. But I guess you can't really make a media circus out of mental health advocacy.

[@austins.2495]

Man I just discovered this channel and I’m so happy I did! Yet another channel to make me scared and paranoid before I go to bed : )

[@procastination_is_my_passi4182]

Omg Andrea's story makes me so upset. Of course there's no excusing what she did to her children but the husband could have done SO much more to prevent something like this from happening. Like this was EXTREMELY preventable. How do you, as a husband, let your wife keep struggling with daily tasks plus child bearing and child rearing knowing that she has had multiple depressive and suicidal episodes. My mom went through something like this with both my older sister and I (I was unplanned and still popped out despite all their protection lol) and my dad supported her the whole time. He would come home after his work and would make sure to help out around the house to ease her burden, he would take care of us and tried to keep us away when my mom was feeling particularly irked, he listened to her worries, talked to her, and would even try to get her mind in a better state by doing something new every weekend (vacations, family visits, little trips...etc). He had called his siblings and parents to be on rotation so that there was always someone else in the house with my mother when he was off to work to help with her mental issues at the time and to also keep us safe and taken care of as well. The husband in this story is much as fault as Andrea is.

[@sheepkind]

i honestly feel really sad for Andrea Yates. not just because of what she was going through mentally, but also because of the religious brainwashing she went through that made her believe that her kids were growing up “wrong,” and they’d go to hell because of her i remember first seeing this case years ago and how what she did was methodical, almost ritualistic. she believed what she was doing was right and just. she thought that if she killed them while they were still “pure” (untainted and unswayed by satan/sin) that she could ensure they go to heaven. of course what she did was wrong, and i’d assume it would even be considered wrong within their scope of religion, but the fact that she felt so compelled to “save” her children is what breaks my heart. i don’t think she should ever be free, but i do hope she gets the psychiatric help she desperately needs and may her children rest in peace

[@sandrafaith]

@zhitposterzupreme9120 Your family sounds like absolute shitbags, but I can almost guarantee that had they been religious, you would have been punished just as much, or more. I know it's just anecdotal, but all of the stories of trauma I've heard from friends came from people raised in extremely religious homes. Religious brainwashing is 100% a thing, and we do _not_ need more religious fantasy. We can be good and moral without fairy tales.

[@sandrafaith]

Spot on.

[@babbittybabbitt]

​@zhitposterzupreme9120 sounds like a you problem lol

[@HandlesAreStupid11]

First comment I found about her that isn’t saying “she was a victim too” so thank you for that.

[@FootbaFan-pr8sl]

@zhitposterzupreme9120disgusting. You ppl are happy with lies and lack of evidence

[@skunky-lee]

Great work as always ❤ love your channel. You got a bright future ahead for you for sure. I’m a big fan of crime and mystery. & big on all the channels like yours and you have one of the very best!!!!

[@StoriesOfMalevolence]

I love how you cover multiple stories in one episode. just finished lori, thats a very intriguing story

[@emilieg1449]

your voice is so incredibly relaxing to me. if it weren't for the content of your videos I'd fall asleep to them every night

[@ChaoticBad]

Also with Andrea Yates, she’s been up for parole a few times but she refused every time citing that she’s a danger to herself and everyone. That’s why I think she was truly suffering from psychosis at that time. She acknowledged her actions and is prepared to pay for it for the rest of her life. If I woke up from a psychotic episode and found out what I did to my children, I’d probably try to unalive myself every chance I get or ask to get the death penalty.

[@As8bakwTheSage]

I feel horrible for her.

[@TheodosiaNova]

I wonder if Lori had some form of atypical schizophrenia or something along those lines. If she wasn't an abuse victim, she very well could have developed an illness and became intensely paranoid about the people around her. If she thought her mom was out to get her, or the stepfather, then looks up the other family's entire history to be sure of things about them (maybe confirm they are who they say they are?), that could explain a few things. If they make her feel safe, it would make sense that she'd be so desperate to keep the family with her and cause her intense depression without them. That's all just speculation, as I'm not at all a psychologist or anything, but it gets the brain wondering. I saw someone mention schizophrenia and that she'd have to have kept herself in check against delusions without meds, but I've known people who were able to do so because their cases were *very* mild. It's not out of the realm of possibility. Either way, it sounds like an incredibly sad life and just so sad for her family.

[@theskyworrier]

I personally think she was just crazy. So yeah mental health issues.

[@breckbilbrey4053]

That last Andrea Yates interview is haunting

[@arosas1994]

Her eyes are dead and she doesn't even blink.

[@breckbilbrey4053]

@@arosas1994 it was the way she said she had killed her kids at the end that blew me away. No change in tone or facial expression, nothing.

[@TK-ui2th]

​@@breckbilbrey4053 its very likely the medicine they have her on is heavily contributing to that. many will flatten your affect and mood. a lot of people stop taking their medication because they cant feel anything and become a "zombie", though in her case, she doesn't have much of a choice whether to take it

[@sabrinatscha2554]

That’s probably because she is evil.

[@lauramller1851]

@@sabrinatscha2554 how is she evil? she suffered from a psychosis and was severely depressed

[@vinvillian4621]

That second story is so tragic, although it’s important to remember that meds are created to help you if you’re struggling if prescribed responsibly and with care. If you need them you’ll be doing yourself and possibly others a favor to take them.

[@x77punk77x]

She needed more than medication. She needed intensive therapy and stronger social support as well as religious deprogramming.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

No thanks, not everyone wants to be a junkie to the system.

[@krystql8056]

@@wolfetteplays8894You’d rather have people like Andrea Yates have a psychotic episode and kill children because she didn’t take her meds rather than have her “be a junkie”?

[@sarahcampbell2604]

I really like the pacing you give your videos. It makes it easier to listen to while I work. Instant hit with me! Kudos!!

[@victormurori4367]

Postpartum depression can damage someone very much. Here in my country a woman literally violently killed her own child in ways I cannot describe and it was very disturbing.

[@theantone7476]

The Andrea Yetes story is really disturbing and a downer

[@poopmcgee3826]

drowner?

[@mikebond6328]

@@poopmcgee3826oooooh!!

[@markwebster5749]

@@poopmcgee3826may be they mean it’s puts them on a downer 🤷‍♂️

[@pankake2208]

​@@markwebster5749woosh

[@FootbaFan-pr8sl]

That’s Christianity for ya

[@audreymuzingo933]

I suspect postpartum depression/anxiety/psychosis is probably farrrr under-reported, and/or it's not a binary thing where you either get it or don't get it, but rather a spectrum, of which the "milder" end could stay hidden inside the mother because she might realize it's kinda bonkers, yet still be affected by it continuously. I have just one child and waited until I was 31, so it was fairly shocking to suddenly be responsible for such a helpless creature. -Not that she was difficult, if anything she was an unusually easy baby, crying only when she was hungry or needed a diaper change. Plus I'd worked as a CNA, feeding and changing diapers on +/-150 pound adults, whose skin could rip with the slightest rub, and who could dig their poop-loaded claws into your own skin, or bloody your lip with a swift unexpected punch. So with that muscle memory, caring for a baby felt like nothing. But the physical tasks were totally separate from the mental burden. Her true utter helplessness and my love for her caused me to worry about every little thing, the same things I'm sure all parents get at least slightly paranoid about, so I won't list them. But the area where I did go kinda bonkers was obsessing on the thought of how long she would survive without her dad and me. We lived in a new town without any family or friends, nobody to ever check on us if we didn't answer the phone or whatever. My husband's work would notice if he didn't show up for work, but no telling how long before they would do anything about it. So I kept dreaming up crazy scenarios where both of us would somehow die at home, everything from carbon monoxide, to poison-laced food, to home invasion, yet our baby would stay alive, just suffering for days with nobody hearing her cries. I even imagined my husband committing mur/sui, despite him being wonderful and giving ze-ro signs of violence ever. Eventually after losing so much sleep I was getting physically frail, I contacted a cousin who I knew would understand because of what an incredible mom she was, and asked if she would humor me by calling me once a day, just to check in. She agreed, and after a few weeks of that comforting state, I was able to shed the horror fantasy. But looking back, it was far more irrational than anything my brain has ever conjured, so I can only assume it was affected by postpartum neurochemistry.

[@mariec3527]

any time i hear the story of Andrea , the only person i hate is Rusty . even if Andrea yes did what she did , her mental state was already crumbling and so who as a husband should of been responsible for her and her well being especially the kids knowing how depressed and psychotic she can get . he is stuck in that disgusting mentality of not thinking mental illness is real and how serious it is especially to new mothers . that quiverful religion see's women below men and only see's them as baby making machines . no way in hell her body let alone her mind could have had enough time to heal from the trauma of pregnacy and birth . you STILL don't get enough sleep even when the baby is 1 years old . it was a combination of Mental Illness, Pospartum Depression , Sleep Depravtion , Having 5 kids all under the age of 7 and all close in age . I don't like to wish anyone harm but Rusty tho , i hope he stays alone for the rest of his pathetic life and really reflects on how it was his fault what happened to andrea and his kids .

[@veezopolis]

She is the murderer. He is not a good person but he didn't drown 5 kids one after another.

[@crow456]

​@@veezopolisAll the signs that she was unsafe for the children were there. He kept putting her back. She tried to kill herself first. It is awful, but she is an extremely broken woman and her husband knew that.

[@veezopolis]

@crow456 okay but. She. Still. Did. It. She wasn't out of her mind, she planned for two years to drown her kids, she still chose to stay and have another kid. He not innocent by any means but not getting care for your wife ≠ being responsible for 5 murders done deliberately behind his back.

[@nyxspiritsong5557]

​@@veezopolishe was directly told by her doctor to not leave her alone with the kids. The narcissistic piece of crap decided he knew better. Those kids would likely be alive if he had listened and waited half an hour for his mom to get to the house before he left. It's child endangerment at the very least. Andrea will spend the rest of her life paying for what she did but he gets to live consequence free.

[@maryvampiregirl666]

​@@veezopolisbut he let it happen

[@mackenziekarsonovich1073]

Rusty deserves just as much punishment as Andrea. Hell, I’d even say more than her seeing as he was supposed to be the sane one and actually take care of his family.

[@CivilEngineerWroxton]

So only he has to be sane? I would say that two sane parents would be quite good.

[@DeadAndAliveCat]

Women can never do anything wrong huh

[@mackenziekarsonovich1073]

@@DeadAndAliveCat didn’t say that at all. Rusty knew Andrea was dangerous and left her alone with the children anyway. He knew she was prone to postpartum psychosis and pushed her to have more kids anyway, and isolated her from her family and friends, and refused to listen to very clear orders from doctors and professionals, knowing the risks. He should’ve at least been charged with neglect or endangerment. If he hadn’t been so ignorant to leave her alone for that one hour, all his children would more than likely still been alive.

[@funpheonix9752]

@@DeadAndAliveCatNo? She never said that. He should’ve been more responsible and made sure she wasn’t left alone

[@CarmenRodriguez-gq5gq]

@@DeadAndAliveCat Just say you hate women and leave. God forbid we hold males accountable on their part when corrupting women. He is not innocent.

[@monikaparys2290]

Mr Yates just casually asking "which one?" Is kinda chilling. Like... wtf does it matter?

[@jacobfleig4509]

I think he was just in shock and was confused. I still think he was very wrong for just ignoring his wife’s PPD , but you can’t blame him for responding like that yk

[@cdes1776]

He had no reason to expect that it *could* involve all of them.

[@cdsonly]

Omg, her eyes are so haunted in the statment video at the end, it makes me feel for her, in addition to all her children.

[@njnoiser7079]

I can't imagine having that many children so quickly and having absolutely no understanding or support from anyone. I can't imagine what things were like for her at home behind closed doors.

[@Elliot226]

This is the first time I've heard someone pronounce the name "Erica" like "Eureka". Fascinating.

[@yourekillingmeman]

perfect for listening to during work. I love your content :)

[@williamhallthorsson5774]

That Andrea Yates case is as chilling as it is sad

[@charismalove2633]

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[@user-kr1ou3mg9o]

This gave me chills , another great video thanks for da upload stay safe out here diz crazy world ...

[@farewelltimetofly]

The Andrea Yates story is so sad. It's always surreal for me to hear about it, because my family lived just a mile away from them when it happened; my mom said she'd once seen Andrea talking to herself at the grocery store. Rusty sounds like an absolute bastard, and I'm told he gives his coworkers the creeps.

[@lordhordak7598]

One hundred percent her stepfather was abusing her, the way she vanished, the paranoia around other in laws, her obsession with family past could have been to make sure no one had a history of abuse to keep her child safe.

[@g.elkwoman2160]

Loved this episode. Beautifully done 👏🏼

[@vahgeuvje10]

After watching this exceptional video filled with true horror, I subscribed. You should direct a horror movie , great editing

[@angelasutherland3298]

PPD is no joke. And you don’t know if it’s going to hit you or when. And you think you can’t do this….. you have this little life depending on you, but you think you can’t do it. Hell you can’t even take care of yourself at this point. It’s so scary. So so scary.