Chinese J-20 and J-16 fighter production rates are going through the roof

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Each year, the Chinese Air Forces seemingly got more and more new planes than before. This video will provide the 2022 numbers. And show when the future Chinese fleet might rival the US one in numbers.
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[@masterofsnatch1645]

You should really take 10 seconds to learn about geography and Geo location

[@-The-Grim-Reaper-]

China's military is the cheap knockoff of the Russian military. I don't expect much from them 🥱

[@valorz6064]

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[@ashg1587]

Politics is good vs bad to win over the nation Military is quality vs quantity to win over the battle theater so even with a higher quantity production can the quality match it’s limited counterparts as we see in Russia even the quality of soldiers matter more than the quantity take a look at Halo 5 Guardians, the 4 runners is what they call ‘em qualified Spartans vs a few thousand obviously outnumbered but the went through the whole game while probably millions have died by their hands. Just sayin quality not quantity. The quality of our 4th gen fighters vs 5th gen

[@ashg1587]

Even if it isn’t the most cost effective I would still like to see 1000 f-22 in our arsenal

[@pabcu2507]

All of this wouldn’t happened if steiner had conducted his counter attack

[@Loubie2005]

The numbers mason

[@mrgeorgeb0062]

@@Loubie2005 WhAt Do ThEy MeAn?!?!

[@hothoploink1509]

Alternatively if Fegelein had been present ^^

[@Danger-six.]

Lmfao

[@SuperPoseidon666]

@@ItsCarl94 nein

[@chaosXP3RT]

Reading some of these comments, I think it's dangerous to underestimate any opponent, especially when it comes to something as serious and deadly as war. Of course, the Russian military did not prove to be as... potent as many had thought and feared, but it's better to find out during the conflict that your opponent is weaker than you rather than just assuming so. Chinese fighter jets seem to be well-designed and on par with many Western jets. Even if they're slightly less capable than Western fighter aircraft, sufficient numbers may still be enough to keep up with their Western counterparts. I was China, I would not underestimate the US Air Force and if I was the USA, I would not underestimate the Chinese Air Force

[@giupetr968]

I think it's important to pay attention to anyone, but chinese tech is not so good. Poor and low quality.

[@SabinStargem]

I think that if China has a weakness, it would be the culture of corruption. Russia HAD a huge inventory of stuff, but corruption turned those stockpiles into liabilities. While I expect some of China's gear to be pretty decent, the big question is whether their logistics are in good health. Say, to ensure their amphibious troops can land on a certain piece of land without sinking midway, or finding their rifles firing blanks. If I were a member of USA's intelligence bloc, I would be keeping an eye on whether China is reforming their logistic chain to resist corruption. That would indicate whether China is serious about conquering Taiwan, or is just a papyrus tiger.

[@CircusJeanie2399]

@@Hrotiberhtaz Do you think China is completely ignoring what's going on in Ukraine. I'm sure they are studying it in great detail, and parades are not a sign of weakness. If that were the case we would have been considered weak if Trump had his way. Also the US's current military experiences are null and void because they were against an organized insurgence not a near peer military with modern technology.

[@MrPeterzhu]

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[@walterblack7233]

@@giupetr968 Last time I argued with a Chinese guy who thought a single Liaoning carrier combat group could annihilate the entire Indian navy and air force.You two are just the same,purely brainles haters.

[@andrewhirsch6472]

The reckless optimists on this comment board creep me out--I hope they don't have any influence in the U.S. defense establishment. They rather remind me of those dolts who insisted it couldn't have been the Japanese who carried out that attack on Pearl Harbor, it must have been German pilots in those Japanese planes, and what about those cheap Japanese goods exported to the U.S. in the 20s and 30s? They were crap, so Japanese military equipment must be crap. The optimists were, of course, humiliated by actual events, and huge numbers of good people died because of it. Hope for the best, folks, but prepare for the worst.

[@2penetration451]

Agree, but I will still mock the Chinese Arms just to annoy them. They're easily triggered and funny. But of course still prepare for the worse. Even quantity can outnumber the quality. Nazi Germany experienced it against the Soviet Union.

[@cspdx11]

US doesn't produce the brain power to keep pace with future Chinese developments. Look at the universities, all foreigners in engineering, physics, chemistry advanced degree programs.

[@rogersmith7396]

Yeah I hear the Chinese are going to take over San Francisco chop suey shops. Horror, the horror.

[@Absolut531kmh]

The comment section is cursed

[@ferdiansyahhilmi3016]

Yeah so toxic

[@BT-qs7id]

Not as cursed as communist BRAINWASHED 🤪 China and VODKA 🥴 Russia 😆🤣

[@jupiter3678]

Yankee bots vs CCP bots

[@Liberty_or_Ded]

"Their premiere J-20 outdoing the F-22's peak production numbers" I'll be honest, given how limited the F-22's production numbers were, that isn't particularly impressive. If they can beat the F-16's production numbers, THEN I'll be impressed, because they crank those things out like crazy.

[@michaelwen5540]

The problem is China's rather lacking industrial foundation, there are a lot of components that China either has difficulties making with a reasonable budget or simply cannot make themselves, and thus need to be imported, but these components are considered military grade hardware and can only be imported en mass from a handful of countries like Russia. Sometimes I wonder if Russia and China's combined can even keep up with this level of production rate. You can output J-20s and J-16s as fast as F-16s but it won't work if most of them cannot get their engines.

[@Liberty_or_Ded]

@@michaelwen5540 Yeah that's another thing. Building these jets is one thing. Keeping up the supplies of parts for maintenance and refit, especially when they have to be flying constantly to maintain pilot familiarity, is an entirely different beast, as Russia has demonstrated with the dismal performance of its air force against Ukraine.

[@mrmacias4217]

Dude the f-16 has been built since the late 80S 💀

[@weasle2904]

A better comparison would be the F-35, and the US is still producing a shit ton of those.

[@rh906]

@@michaelwen5540 Their "One Industry, One Enterprise" attempt at making mega-monopolies I think is their attempt at fixing this. But I expect it to go terribly bad for them since it doesn't fix the underlying reason they have so much money embezzled/improperly invested: relational corruption and failing upwards because said relational corruption. They are just going to make officials even more rich.

[@BloodnSteel]

Very good coverage, and a lot of vital info and imagery here. Though one has to wonder what the PLA's Pilot numbers and training hours are like now. You can build all the Jets you want, but without sufficient Staff they're just gonna be grounded anyway.

[@archangel7052]

PLA fighter pilots now get twice the amount of flying time than US fighter pilots, according to Gen Kenneth Wilsbach, Commander of the Pacific Air Forces.

[@jaek__]

@@archangel7052 From what I've heard many PLA pilots are still quite dissatisfied with how rigid and broken China's command structure is, allegedly they are seeing some improvements with this, still, China definitely has lots of growing pains to handle thanks to how, I guess, 'sedentary' they have been for a while.

[@codyweaver7546]

I too would like to see numbers and information on PLAAF and PLAN pilot training regimens. Stick time is one of the true indicators of performance

[@LOL-zu1zr]

@@jaek__ that was before the recent reforms. The golden helmet tournaments had pilots making up their own maneuvers to test against each other in a simulated environment.

[@jaek__]

@@LOL-zu1zr Can you link this? Also would like to see any stuff regarding their BVR tests and capabilities, would be an interesting read.

[@watchthe1369]

IF they are building planes like they put buildings together......it is not a big deal. Chinese navy does not have range.

[@mrsamuel5572]

Bro even Lockheed Martin is watching this video 😂😂

[@Rjsjrjsjrjsj]

Yep. And giggling their @$$3$ off. China's a joke.

[@thomaszhang3101]

Perun did A very technical video on the Chinese modernization, comparing budget, industry, and PPP of China, US and multiple other countries. It can be morning for some, but very detailed and insightful.

[@user-fy6ii5uo7g]

Just in time for the NGAD and B21 Raider....

[@coolskool1.061]

Amazing review and visuals 👌🏻

[@bol1Spitfire]

Great video, thanks for the data.

[@johnsalter5412]

I remember back in 2006 when the F22 contract was cut way back. I was working for a defense subcontractor. We were deeply affected. The excuse was we had the F15 and no one had anything close and we would just never need a fighter like the F22 because no one would ever catch up to us as it was. I was shocked at the stupidity. That was exactly the attitude we had in the 1930s. We had the lead in aircraft technology. By WWII Europe and Japan had left us behind. I grew up listening to people who fought and lived through that war. We could have lost. It was dicey at best at the beginning. Many of the early battles could have gone the other way, and it would have been bad or worse for us. Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[@commie5211]

pior to ww2, the US industrial capacity was nearly 10x of Japan, they just had a couple more rounds of practice before attacking the US. The US wouldn't lost that war either way. pior to ww2, japan did surprise attack to Qing dynasty and Russia, both were larger and stronger than Japan, however Japan won both by luck. That gave Japan so much confident, thought they could repeat the success.😂

[@creatormaxi8324]

Because the F22 combat range very short, only 800km, so it is useless except in european countries that US has a lot of allies. Air tank is not stealth, they can revealed the f22 very easy and f22 skin is outdated, it peels after several hours mission. Today technology, the stealth skin is direct painted. F22 is not in the competition, and i will say it is defect aircraft (except for balloon purpose)

[@keli4068]

in 2006 uncle Sam is busy killing iraqy and afgan people. no money for fighter

[@randomthot125]

Mad Indian bro noises 😚

[@didyoumissedmegobareatersk2204]

😂seriously whenever anyone mentions china whole sca#mmers show uo

[@chinazieswillstartww3253]

Indian enjoy democrasy and freedom unlike Chinese who are slaves of CCP 😂

[@ChicagoHOG27]

You can build hundreds of basketball courts, but don't expect the new players on those courts to be able to compete with NBA pros. You need lots of training and flight hours to have a chance against pilots who have that already. Numbers help, but won't save you.

[@kyles.7750]

ofcourse they're going to train new pilots for the planes dumbass. who said their fleet's gonna be built overnight anyway? it'll take years or even decades for china to match usaf plane numbers and pilot skills. but being ignorant and inhaling copium by saying shit like that will only allow china to creep and match usa's power. this is why the main takeaway from the video is that the us should up their production and training too if they dont want to be matched by china in the future.

[@lumberjackagies5158]

US was considered inexperienced in WW2. People learn on the job. Some of the best soldiers in world wars were farmers and school teachers

[@ChicagoHOG27]

@@lumberjackagies5158 that was a much, much simpler time. Very limited instruments, basic weaponry, and line of sight combat. Not at all a good comparison.

[@youarebeingtrolled6954]

NBA pros barely win Olympic gold

[@Kevin-kd6hf]

so no basketball court should be built?

[@HenryTitor]

Comments: China is a warmongering nation Also comments: China has no war experience in 40 years I can’t anymore😂

[@abbabubba]

Them keyboard warriors🤣🤣🤣

[@ArmySigs]

Were you living under a rock when the CCP told everyone in China they were going to war with the US if Pelosi went to Taiwan? And when they fired all those missiles afterwards? What was happening then, were they fighting off an attack from the Dolphins? The CCP threatens more countries with violence than any other government on Earth, just because they are a paper tiger doesn't mean they aren't warmongers

[@HenryTitor]

@@ArmySigs ??? Were you living under the rock in the past 20 years? At least million dead already in middle east. And at least 14 million became refugees directly caused by US leveling the entire region.Not to mention Yemen, Chile, Cuba, and many other countries which suffered and continue to suffer either under direct Bombing, attempted coup d’état, or out right international blockade by US order. What? Threatening people is worse than literally killing millions now?

[@peterdonlon2083]

Those are not mutually exclusive

[@myfacern7232]

But does the U.S have an ongoing genocide in their borders though? Also, that's a false equivalency, the Middle Eastern conflicts the U.S waged are very different in justification and intentions than the conflict the Chinese keep boasting about starting and winning in Taiwan.

[@icephoenix5466]

Why do half the comments make no sense? Like literal gibberish…

[@The136th]

So many coping westerners who still live in the 90s

[@The136th]

@awesome guy China moved most of their low end manufacturing in AESAN while keeping the more profitable ones like cars, drones, industrial machinery. 5G is Chinese, 60% of Tesla battery is also by Chinese tech. Westerners are really still living in the 90s

[@GG-tf9gy]

Wow great video.

[@Afahs993]

To be honest anyone make fun of other militaries, only shows that you lack military knowledge. And it's a childish behavior.

[@victortorres1930]

Agreed 👍

[@rezberry.x]

Its better to let those make fun keep on make fun. To let enemy lose is to let them making the same mistakes and not correct them. The pride and ego is their downfall. In this case, let them keep making fun and look down on china, so their downfall becomes twice the fall.

[@Saleemsan]

Really. The U.S. and China are not natural enemies. They shouldn't fight. But let the people of Tiawan be free, like the Uyghur, in Xinjiang, the far northwest of China.

[@rezberry.x]

@@Saleemsan most of the post modern war are not about enemies. Its all about money conflict. Some believe both can win win in money, some believe one will win while the other will lose in money.

[@willzulu8844]

Another great video Binkov. You know, the bean counting game has always fraught with pitfalls. I think it’s a great indicator of a country’s economic potency (ie: to just build) and to a lesser degree, a country’s future intent. I do think China will attain parity with the US in terms of yearly production, but I don’t think the US in the short or medium term is interested in keeping a production gap over China. Operative Challenge for the US is to replace that aging F15 fleet to the EX standards so they can get greater operability with the F-35s, so that it excels at what is what meant to do, which is relay battle space info to frontline assets. Whether the USAF is granted the budget to do that is well..up to congress. Operative challenge for China is based on whether their young indigenous platforms are a capable enough counter to US platforms in the region and whether whatever doctrine they pursue is successfully conducive to whatever their future intentions are in the region.

[@peaceyteavo]

Lots of cope in these comments. China is getting strong, and quickly. We need to accept and address it.

[@giupetr968]

Just numbers, no quality

[@whiteshark450]

@@giupetr968 What years do you live in? China is the second country to sent missions on mars.... and the only country that built an entire space station alone.

[@tomwanks9123]

its not cope, its a note for us to get stronger lmao if theyre getting stronger, so should we its should be a constant

[@JLA1899]

How’s their economy going?

[@quinndenver4075]

@@giupetr968 the j-16 and j-20 are probably very capable fighters. The j-20 is probably the 3rd most potent fighter in the world (after f-22 and f-35)

[@deanmurphy7307]

China is definitely quantity over quality

[@BengalLancer]

I doubt that can be told for military equipments being sold for Chinese own military.

[@KaiEmblem]

Made in china equipment without seeing combat

[@Death-fw6co]

Seen how that worked out with Russia lol. Just a few American trucks with missiles folded them

[@TheOne30264]

You have to admit China is advancing very fast. You just have to look at what China was like 20 years ago and it's night and day. This is what the containing strategy is all about.

[@hughmungus2760]

@@Death-fw6co russia is not the USSR, it lacks the manpower, industrial capability and money. China on the otherhand doesn't have a shortage in those areas.

[@themvko]

What’s your source for this info? I don’t see any in the description

[@broworm1]

You're comparing production numbers from China, to USAF deliveries of planes. US is also producing way more F-35s for its allies, like japan (23+120 future), south korea (40) which the US would never go to war without. Yes china's numbers are quite impressive for just one country, but it's still nowhere near enough to match a realistic setting.

[@sabin97]

actually he's comparing the planes delivered to the chinese military to the planes delivered to the usa military. and the total numbers for each military. however many planes they sell to other countries is 100% irrelevant.

[@broworm1]

​@@sabin97 Actually really not irrelevant, since the video literally has 'production rates' in the title. Why not compare production numbers? It's misleading in this instance. China nearly 100% produces for its own military, and then it's compared to delivery numbers of the US forces. I'm not trying to shill for the US & allies, I just think the basis of comparison for this video is flawed.

[@sabin97]

@@broworm1 oh yes. the title says "production rates" but the video is NOT about production rates, but about the rates of acquisition. yeah. the name doesnt make the thing. for example there's a country named the people's democratic republic of korea. it has "democratic" in the name. and yet it's not democratic. so yeah. the thing being compared in this video is the rate of acquisition of the chinese military vs the rate of acquisition of the usakistani military. that's why usakistan and china plane sales are not used. hopefully that cleared that up.

[@vlhc4642]

When Blinkov said China's expanding floor space he didn't give much context so it's understandable to not appreciating it's implications. To put things into perspective, almost all F-35s are currently assembled at the massive USAF Plant 4 in Fort Worth, Texas. At the same time, just the expansion at China's Chengdu plant over the last 4 years totalled the an area larger than the entire USAF Plant 4, you can see this cleary using Google Earth historical imagery. And that's in addition to the equally massive expansion at Shengyang. In other words, in the last 4 years China added 1.5x to 2x more fighter production capacity than the entire US F-35 production capacity, that's in addition to previous capacity, and those plants are just starting to ramp up. This is naval shipbuilding all over again, planes are harder to count than ships but even then this massive expansion is going to become very obvious in a few years.

[@knightking2036]

No offense but yes I would rather have the U.S quality made jets rather than a quantity of Tofu fighter jets.

[@TacynMegan]

cant wait to see all the youtube armchair generals and military specialist come out

[@janevillena7042]

I havent seen a comment section as polarized as your videos'. Bravo Binkov👏👏

[@josecano326]

Tbh most read like chinese bots

[@stealthtyrannus]

I mean one side is brainwashed nationalistic and the other is blindly confident about everything based on ill-informed assumptions. This is every comment section under advanced Chinese equipment...

[@mickhaculinecilliers876]

This is true. I have been hearing a lot more jets crossing since August. I'm in Chengdu

[@kurousagi8155]

The only fighter jets in China’s Airforce that are modern in terms of avionics, electronics, and radar are the J-20, J-16, and J-10C. The J-11D and FC-31 haven’t yet been procured, but I think they’re pretty modern too in terms of avionics, electronics, and radar. I think there’s about 500-550 of the J-20, J-16, and J-10C aircraft. Definitely lower than 600, which is about 50-100 more aircraft than this time last year.

[@marinuslubbe3993]

J-15B and J-11BH are also modern. J11D isn't a think anymore, it was scraped. The J11B will be upgraded to J11BH.

[@kurousagi8155]

@@marinuslubbe3993 J-15? Thought the Chinese gave up on it and made naval versions J-10s and J-11s.

[@marinuslubbe3993]

@@kurousagi8155 nope. Well J15 is a Chinese evolution of the SU33 and the J11 of the SU27. So in a way you can say that the J15 is the navy version of the J11.

[@kurousagi8155]

@@marinuslubbe3993 well wait a minute. The J-15 is not an evolution of the SU-33. The J-15 is based off the T-10K-3, which was an incomplete prototype of the SU-33. Since 2018, Chinese state media has discussed the capability of the J-15 and it has been described as disappointing.

[@marinuslubbe3993]

@@kurousagi8155 That's correct, but in the grand scheme of things you could call it a SU33 derivative. The J15 is not very good it's true and that's why they are modernizing them with the J15B variant. Aesa radar, PL10/15 capable, more powerful engines etc. It's designed to operate from catobar carriers.

[@RayW808]

I remember when we talked about Russia this way.

[@charlesalford9446]

Ikr. If china is supposed to be inferior with Russia, I don’t see the problem here.

[@the80386]

china's economy is more than 10X of russia's and china is by far the biggest producer of all kinds of products in the world.

[@mrmacias4217]

Remember when we thought America was a superpower

[@RayW808]

@@mrmacias4217 lol mmmkay

[@kynoble]

How long has it been since Binkov did a country vs. country video?

[@tompell3032]

it should not come as a surprise if the US is having problems in the procurement of military equipments. It is beset by corruptions and cronyism. It is a fact that The US pays $90,000 for small steel bushings (10-20 bushings in all) in a small ziploc bag. Thus, I can't imagine how ridicolously inflated the prices of bigger and more complex items are.

[@AT-AT26]

From what I’ve heard that’s because the price is inflated to hide hidden programs and prototypes etc they don’t want other people to know about. Most likely it’s that and also corruption.

[@sethchilders5402]

They can buy and produce all the Lego jets they want

[@ginoomarramirezolivera470]

LEGO f_35 fail 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@cortney3280]

@@ginoomarramirezolivera470 f35 is mutch better keep crying little boiiiii

[@ginoomarramirezolivera470]

@@cortney3280 Beter i'n crash🤣🤡🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@cortney3280]

@@ginoomarramirezolivera470 but 8 j20 crashed do to trchincalnfaliturs only 4 f35 crash and there are way more f35 then j20 soooo

[@ginoomarramirezolivera470]

@@cortney3280 🤣🤣🤣🤣f_35 fail y shit , j_20 crash ??? Is drunk 🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@dr.j5642]

I'd bet the F18 is more capable than the J16. No one really know how the J16s will perform.

[@calvinblue894]

China obviously watch how F-18 perform and found ways to counter..or else why they go ahead and make more. US data is on the table, China's data is hidden

[@goncalotr]

Probably like the Russian counterpart that use cheap gps that were used in taxis 10 years ago

[@mrmacias4217]

J-16 is very similar to su-35

[@tard281]

把敵人當白癡的時候 殊不知你跟他的差距越來越小

[@Rospajother]

Thank you

[@HonorableBeniah-A]

The USA has stealth aircraft and no healthcare 😂

[@eminencerain848]

Europe has healthcare but no army.

[@androidx99]

We have healthcare...... it just cost as much as a fighter jet haha, still the best available Healthcare in the world baby

[@dextercochran4916]

Umm... USA healthcare is world class?

[@Thanatos833]

@@androidx99 Dude, it's like the bottom-ranked healthcare amongst developed countries, and that's in virtually every study done. The only countries that have worse healthcare are developing countries.

[@jugo1944]

@@dextercochran4916 Certainly not by outcomes. If you have unlimited money, sure

[@t.t7225]

US also has Emma

[@realdreamerschangetheworld7470]

Please leave the wokeism and counter-wokeism politics at the door please. We’re here to learn, not lose braincells.

[@thetruth3082]

LOL it's that one gay girl 'from' the us army

[@owenfranco9441]

Yeah. The they/them army is still better than any other country. Just because you hate gay people doesn’t mean they can’t do their job.

[@t.t7225]

@@realdreamerschangetheworld7470 how could one ignore this huge cultural phenomenon that is penetrating ALL the levels of western societies? It wants to change the reality, humanity and world as we know it! You can't learn about our age, if you ignore one such an massive phenomenon. The phenomenon that is an indirect (still big) reason for the downfall of US in relation to China.

[@t.t7225]

@@realdreamerschangetheworld7470 also name a one instance in history, where "out of sight, out of mind" mindset in the face of a problem has solved it.

[@parttimethinker7611]

They both are fun lists.

[@batmanfromthesteppes979]

Are you the guy who used to do Squatting Slav TV? It was a great channel.

[@SlavGod47]

China finally has the resources and know-how to mass produce J-20s and seeks to standardize the PLAAF inventory, as the majority are J-10s or older planes. Air power is probably the weakest link of the PLA, right behind the PLAN's ability to wage expeditionary warfare or stage amphibious landings

[@user-wr8sm6jp6j]

There are many models of J10, just like the US also has F16A/B...

[@DeNihility]

Overconfidence is a flimsy shield. If push comes to shove, i'd be very wary about the enemy's capabilities regardless of their reputation. Especially since all this is theoretical, last thing you need is to build an ego around it and be shocked when you're proven wrong when a conflict arises to put those theories to the test. If it were me, i'd be constantly be trying to improve and upgrade the F-22 and F-35s on the assumption that the enemy is vastly superior. Strength wanes and stagnates when you think you're at the top.

[@harsectinal]

There's already a 6th generation fighter lol.

[@agentkaos1768]

Upgrading the F-22? What are you? Insane? Much cheaper to build the NGAD,

[@daomingjin]

they are constantly upgraded....

[@daomingjin]

@john lee America has oil, and the military capability to cut off china's oil supply. It also has the allies of the Saudis to agree to any oil-sanctions that they see fit. Remember, the only reason why OPEC still exists to this day and hadn't been conquered by Iraq and some other unfriendly neighbors in the area is because America has military agreements with Saudi Arabia. In a nutshell: Saudi Arabia: Hi America, we'll give you first dibs on our oil, and you give us military protection from our enemies America: Consider it Done.

[@daomingjin]

@john lee be civilized and use english. even though i CAN read farmer (nong min hua) i am not going to lower myself to such a level. You're obviously a mainlander and uncivilized. If Emperor Qin saw you writing Chinese like that he wouldn't have thought twice about halving you executed on the spot. If you MUST use Chinese Langauge because you're so uneducated you can't read and write in English on a primarily ENGLISH language thread....be slightly civilized and use traditional form chinese (Fan Ti Zi)

[@full_metal_troy8394]

Those j16s and j20s when matched with PL15 are serious threats

[@barakaobombervsronaldraide3098]

Can you make a video about j31/fc31?🙏

[@nhpkm1]

Binkov instead of blurring , you can use AI image fill in tool. where you completely cut out the blurred area than the image is "fixed" . It looks way better

[@vissler]

More doesn't seem to be better

[@davepanganiban571]

Don't forget about other things aside from number of jets, that is pilots level of training, knowledge and experience also aircrafts maintenance and spare parts availability, quality and production

[@josephking2295]

people seem to think its the gun and not the mind behind that trigger that makes a difference i been saying the same thing you just said and plus we have way more battle field IQ and experience then what we get credit for

[@Terry-em8ef]

Lol relax it is made in China XD

[@stalkyjohnson4081]

Same us a part of f-35 yet they print them like China

[@asodcficc]

dont be mad you can only afford to buy cheap products like your government haha

[@stealth6996]

that’s why f 35 has chinese components

[@rh906]

They got to stimulate that collapsing economy some how.

[@nadarith1044]

Collapsing? where? their GDP keeps growing do you even fact check?

[@wolftone4818]

5% of the u.s economy is in defense. The u.s economy would literally collapse if they didnt cause conflict around the world. But keep talking shit about a country thats never invaded anyone while the other...

[@rh906]

@@nadarith1044 Which has been sharply declining. But here, for your troubles. *throws a 伍角* Good person.

[@nadarith1044]

@@rh906 While the growth is slowing, it is still growing, that's the exact opposite of collapse instead of throwing some chinese crap you could open a dictionary once in a while, it would save you from looking like an idiot

[@rh906]

@@wolftone4818 *Looks at the popped Real Estate market being ~30% China's GDP, local governments only make money from "selling" land, and people stopping paying into the ponzi scheme making other parts of the economy starting to crumble helped with the lockdowns.* *Looks away.*

[@Ianmundo]

idiots think 1 stealth fighter = another stealth fighter. The F35 is not the fastest or most manoeuvrable fighter, but its software and the situational awareness it provides the pilot, it absolutely thrashes everything out there

[@nicolaszan1845]

Ssssssssh. Quiet. If China gets overconfident with their planes they actually might launch a war and we get to see fifth generation fighters in action against other fifth generation fighters

[@TeddyR_Official]

Exactly. The US military is a system, every single part communicates and coordinate as one unit. That includes personnel and equipments.

[@ninh05]

Thats a good line up for target practice.

[@cubsmeow1855]

As a Chinese, I can't say how good my country's fighter jets are, but I know that American fighter jets are good. Underestimating the enemy will always make you fail, so I believe that we Chinese people will strive to make our products better, rather than blindly belittle others.

[@mohitmathur908]

Bravo China!

[@f9658]

Don’t worry. The West is just more experienced in dropping bombs and flying their planes over countries with no modern Air defence, Air Force, and radars. China is not very experienced but they do not have the mentality of underestimating competitors.

[@skytron22]

@@f9658 lmfao another copy paste comment?? Let the grown ups talk, tiny dunce

[@dddddh1]

I'm not as modest as you, j20 is the best fighter in the world, f22 is not bad but at least not comparable to j20. It's just that the US controlled public opinion doesn't want to admit it. Look at this blogger's map of China and you'll know all about it.

[@skytron22]

@@dddddh1 lmao what? 5th gen fighters, all of them, haven’t had much of any real world testing. China’s has even less than the f22, so idk how you’re making such out of pocket claims. I mean, I know why you are, blind patriotism for the CCP. But kinda hard to be patriotic to a one party system that routinely kills civilians without a care in the world. And mind you, that sentiment is as true in the us as it is in China, so don’t even try and start doing typical Chinese finger pointing and deflection

[@willberry6434]

China is going to have a rude awakening with how much maintenance costs they are going to have to pay.

[@ferrous3262]

they have alot of money not that big of a deal

[@falcor200]

@@ferrous3262 they don't even have water, their economy is in the tanks, their housing is in shambles, their dams are falling apart, their banks won't allow people to take out money, they are lo king down cities of 50 plus million. wtf are you talking about Chinese bot.

[@SaintFluffySnow]

China-PRC do not overcharge for maintenance like USA/West so, costs stay low and benefits of scale of economy rises as volumes of replacement parts are made in bulk it's like automation making high-quality high-volume parts like "tiny precision screws" (common in everyday consumer and industry electronic circuit boards) China-PRC practically have automated mfr products like "complex space satellites" made in "space satellite factories" (not just rocket engines, trains, planes, and automobiles) saving time, labour, and eliminating errors

[@zszs100]

This comment is saltier than the Atlantic Ocean lol. xD

[@naitnait00]

The corruption tax and low part lifespans are gonna be fun.

[@yerxiong123]

Wait till Iran finish their paper airplane

[@widodoakrom3938]

Iran has JF 17 Pakistan fighter jet and don't forget their drones+new Russia sukhoi-35

[@brednbudr2406]

@@widodoakrom3938 you said that like it's impressive.

[@klynsma76]

Guess the Chinese have been watching the grimreaper squadrons simulations.

[@ThomasStephenForster]

China could be pulling a fast one with production numbers like the Russians did with their Aircraft Carriers.

[@DZ477]

Interesting how China's J-35 not only looks very much like the F-35, but even has a similar name. But eh, must be a coincidence.

[@WSOJ3]

It’s done so to piss people like you off. But in all seriousness J-35 is quite a lot larger than F35.

[@jerdasaurusrex557]

Wasn't J-35 coined by observers?

[@bluemarlin8138]

@@WSOJ3 It’s bigger because China is behind in engine tech and miniaturization of electronics.

[@LOL-zu1zr]

@@bluemarlin8138 carries larger missiles

[@thomaszhang3101]

@@bluemarlin8138 it’s larger because J-35 has a longer range, which is essential for carrier fighters. F-35c must make compromise with army and especially marine variants and so was more limited in several parameters, range being one of them. Come on, Chinese AESA radar already moved onto GaN and was miniaturized onto CWIS while America is still struggling to roll out their GaM AESA radar on naval ships, not to mention on their CWIS. Out of all gaps that exist between China and America, electronics is one of the smallest ones and turbine engine is one of the largest.

[@sasquatchycowboy5585]

God i really wish we had finished the production of the Raptor.

[@jaek__]

I don't, way way too expensive in my opinion, and at this point, the avionics really are questionable. The F-22 needs a overhaul in its capabilities, something akin to the F-35 and it's sensor fusion, and of course a HMCS.

[@sasquatchycowboy5585]

@@jaek__ You know thay aircraft avionics are continuously updated right? Also find a fighter pilot that would choose Fat Amy over the Raptor for air to air engagement. The Raptor is a better air superiority fighter in every way. Which is not a knock on your precious F-35. The Raptor was the replacement for the F-15C the F-35 was the replacement for the F-16 and F-18. Yes they were hoping to get the A-10 gone as well and I think the F-15E. But really the F-16 dose all that anyway. Point is the F-35 can do air to air. The Raptor was built for air to air. And since a real shooting war with China looks more and more likely. And they have fith gens too it would be really really nice to have those Raptors right about now. I suspect this fight will happen long before NGAD if it happens at all.

[@jaek__]

@@sasquatchycowboy5585 Yes, you would be somewhat correct in that avionics are updated and maintained, but unlike the F-35 the software and sensor enhancements are not nearly at the level they should be, the venerable performance of the F-22 is nothing to scoff at sure, but when I say overhaul I mean overhaul, and that's not a knock at your precious F-22, frankly, she is aging, and needs a makeover, which is, to my knowledge, is what the USAF is looking to do, if you really want a specialized air superiority fighter than you need to ensure that your aircraft is up to date with current iterations of enhancements in all aspects. Besides, it's not like China is fighting us in a complete vacuum, they have to deal with India, Japan, and SK if all out war breaks out, and to my mind, the number of Raptors the USAF has isn't going to be relevant, so long as they are up-to-date. Especially with the sheer numbers of F-35s we will have by then, along with advancements in missile technology.

[@jaek__]

@@sasquatchycowboy5585 China isn't ready, don't get fooled, by the time China is up to the task, Japan will be as well, and even other Oceanic countries. If China does manage to beat everyone, they earned it to be honest, but somehow I doubt they will

[@Commonlogicguy]

Guess now we know how Germany and Japan felt in wwII.

[@christbenitez8797]

We are going to see the biggest showdown in history of warfare.

[@randomperson774]

I feel so bad for the toxic and rude comments in this comment section

[@cheeho9698]

as the saying goes..If you want peace , prepare for war. Even Henry Kissinger advised China to be prepared for war.

[@ServantofGod904]

Thanks for the video.

[@rgloria40]

A lot of people are going think we still produce F22...We don't any more.

[@Marvin-mq9rk]

All I can say is WW3 is going to be interesting if it ever come to a full scale war.

[@martinjrgensen8234]

It will go nuclear very quickly

[@bro918]

@@martinjrgensen8234 which is exactly why it wont ever happen

[@shanerooney7288]

Russia is fighting in Ukraine.... Which USA is finding with hundreds of billions of dollars. Full scale war might go nuclear. But a Proxy war seems to be acceptable.

[@colemanjulius2]

Ummmm we have the f-22 raptor Sooo 1 raptor = about 30 j-20 😂😂😂😂

[@shannonbrown9273]

That’s assuming an F22 even gets downed after just getting 30 kills. That’s less than 2 sorties of munitions 😂😂😂

[@Alsadree]

Americans. So blind

[@omaral-maitah181]

What are you ? 12 ?

[@TheFinalsTV]

@@omaral-maitah181 he's actually 9, but even a 9yo knows that's true. Look at Russia performance in Ukraine, they're getting spanked harder than anything we've seen since WW2 with spare weapons from the US. A real NATO war would be a joke against Russia/China

[@notimportantperson6382]

one Su57 can take out 30 f22 s

[@beta199355]

I really question this news, do they really have enough engine for those new plane?

[@MrPeterzhu]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKm7pnWjoalrmas this is why we so confidently.

[@quantum_dongle]

But binkov, should we not consider USAF loyal wingman drones as part of fighter aircraft delivery?

[@fakshen1973]

Airframed are easy. Where China is lacking is building powerful and reliable jet engines.

[@mrmacias4217]

That’s why Russia exist

[@PeterMuskrat6968]

@@mrmacias4217 lmao they are using Russian designs, they still suck. Eastern bloc jet engines have always been underpowered compared to western designs.

[@enigmaticspace7578]

@@mrmacias4217 Soon to stop existing.

[@wuyunchi]

True China is definitely lagging behind in jet Engine technology while it took the west over 7 decades to get to this current level

[@J_X999]

The comment section is going to be filled with upset Americans and Chinese bots. And both will try to justify their presence.

[@austrianpainterwithasillym8145]

And what about mein soldiers?

[@tengkualiff]

Sadly, the reality. The American conservatives and the Chinese nationalists.

[@twistedneck]

@@tengkualiff sorry bro.. comparing the two is not only irresponsible its just dumb

[@ivanivanovitchivanovsky7123]

@@tengkualiff tbf the Chinese Air Force is still running mostly ancient MiG-21 variants. They’re screwed.

[@everything777]

What's your excuse for commenting?

[@swenhtet2861]

Surprised to see an Enlisted sponsor. Normally, it would’ve been War Thunder.

[@zhoubaidinh403]

The key is nuke tipped missiles...enough to get through such that Laredo Texas is in play!

[@smnkumarpaul]

West keep on saying that Chinese are of lower quality, meanwhile they forgot that during WW2 germany had better quality equipments but Allies beat them in quantity. Quantity have it's own quality.

[@min-jd5lb]

well the US has way too many F35 so they are the ones winning in quantity. China needs decades of time to surpass that.

[@NightPhoenix.Y]

If it were only a few comments it would be reasonable, but now they're just smoking that copium

[@pringleaddict5827]

Not really. Better off having quality, easier logistics , pilots more likely to survive = more experienced. Better tech , warfare haa changed since WW2

[@xiaodaigu5659]

Ok, you can fly 4 J-10s with PL-8 and I'll fly an F-35 with 4 AIM-120D in internal bay.

[@ryananggoro493]

Why do you think allies have low quality weaponry!? They have most reliable weaponry than German have I know German have superior engineering but it's doesn't mean allies have sh!ty weapons like Chinese have If fact it's like super quality vs high quality Where Chinese is low quality

[@elandre4855]

Eh bring it on . The Russian s400 was supposed to be able to take out HIMARS missiles but we know how that turned out. I have a feeling the J-20 will meet a similar fate

[@champnomnom7764]

Sandbox news did an awesome comparison on this one. Def agree with you

[@antimatteranon]

things are always different in practice. the main issue for both of them is practice / experience, because that will help them learn. otherwise they get to do so the hard way.

[@tritium1998]

What if fate doesn't turn out how you wish though? After all, it's a different country and equipment you cry about.

[@elandre4855]

@@tritium1998 give me liberty, or give me death

[@vlhc4642]

S400 is a long range missile, HIMARs are rockets...

[@adrid3812]

I miss country vs country videos

[@Storm-un1sv]

Thats alright we'll have 6th gens before everyone

[@ZZZ2573]

Yeah in about 30 years

[@CircusJeanie2399]

@Pangolin maybe, unless you're part of the design team you can't know for sure

[@michaelmichaelagnew8503]

@@ZZZ2573 Do you even know what makes a plane six generation? I'll give you a hint it must have all the previous generational attributes and that's a start. 6th gen will even make the F-22 obsolete soon.

[@ZZZ2573]

@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 so where is the American gen 6? actual plane, not ppt presentations

[@CircusJeanie2399]

@Pangolin True, and thank you for being polite.

[@bensfons]

As long as the Chinese planes don't suffer from the same quality issues as their buildings then they are good.

[@mrmacias4217]

Corny

[@PeterMuskrat6968]

Bamboo sticks for wing braces😂

[@socaljet]

@@mrmacias4217 they call the buildings in china "tofu dregs" because they just fall apart

[@robertgittings8662]

@@socaljet *hmm I think it is more like comparing a Land Cruiser to a GM or comparing a C919 to 737 Max Dive Bomber* *Or even better yet search video for coin stand on a train traveling 350KM/H* *I really really doubt his baseless claim "Chinese plane have less capablilty than the American ones" 🤭 but his videos have tendency of trashing everything Chinese have or does tho look at his videos several years back*

[@rh906]

It's only some of their buildings. Which would be the ones made by corrupt companies tied to powerful local and regional officials, who... oh......

[@chatchaweewong1071]

Pls take note, in 2030, USAF will have 20-36 of 6th gen. RG. Insider...

[@shanerooney7288]

Don't worry. China is weak and can't win. Everything cheap and breaks. underestimate China. Nothing to worry about. USA №1. USA have superweapon never seen. China don't know how to fight war. China only copy. EZ win.

[@The136th]

China already has 5.5gen, the J-20S

[@mclovin2155]

@@The136th that's not 5.5 gen.

[@loktom4068]

The best one is not even show up on foreign media.

[@testerjs]

Time to ask question would you want 3 or 4 f35 or 1 j20?

[@widodoakrom3938]

J-20 cost similar like F-35A

[@JakeHunter2010]

Think the US has about or over 1000 F-16 Vipers as well.... might be a bit dated but that jet still puts in work and is still the most cost effective option. #JakeHunter88

[@comediangj4955]

It seems because of the nature of binkov's videos, they attract mostly children, physically or mentally.

[@sharwama992]

😂

[@Vain-nf3il]

I never knew that 4 year old little Timmy watches geopolitics and military channel

[@audience2]

Speed up production of air defence missiles, anti-ship missiles, torpedoes, and mines.

[@opmacace523]

Their numbers don’t matter if they don’t know how to logistically support them at war

[@badbattleaxe5832]

If the US wants to keep pace they better hustle on the sixth GEN programs.

[@widodoakrom3938]

It's took 25 more years

[@mikegrizzle3014]

They already have an operational prototype. Europe says they're gonna have a prototype for theirs in 9 years. So china is still 5 years behind those. It takes time to make cheap counterfeits of other countries intellectual properties.

[@mclovin2155]

We don't need 1000 planes in the air to smoke the J20. Chinese equipment is garbage.

[@Green.P3]

China is building these not even knowing if there actually good. While US are making newer and better ones , Also the US 6th gen fighter is coming soon.

[@bitterballs356]

Yes forget jets just produce nukes. And ICBMs

[@codyweaver7546]

The US hasn't fought a near peer since World War 2. How in the hell can you tell if their equipment can hang with anything more advanced than a MiG-21 or MANPADS on camel back?

[@braith117]

@@codyweaver7546 you forgot that the Korean War was a thing, didn't you?

[@codyweaver7546]

@@braith117Does the Korean War count as coequal combatants?

[@kyouskeuzumaki9673]

@@codyweaver7546 exactly and those ended in stalemates a full war ground navy air force it’s a complete gamble

[@user-xw4mj8zs2c]

人不犯我，我不犯人，人若犯我，我必犯人

[@timtim818]

If that's the case, Xi is in trouble

[@Coinbro]

Oh yeah we have had several working stealths for decades they have a plane that doesnt work yet I forget..

[@ld871111]

China's previously limited production capacity was due to barriers in sourcing advanced engines. Now that WS-10 is fully mature and ready for mass production, China is able to scale up plane production by double or even triple the initial rate.

[@brentreid8228]

So we can expect three fold crashes?

[@ld871111]

@@brentreid8228 I don't know about three fold crashes, but there has been an uptick in crashes. Flight training hours have more than doubled in the past 10 years for PLAAF combat pilots. The type of training conducted also changed from simple flight training to more dangerous and complex combat maneuvers involving multiple units and plane types. Unless you're implying something else?

[@R463R]

Reading all these comments about one Country being better than the other, I know it is naïve to say, but with everything going on in the world, as individual citizens from the U.S. & China; can’t we all just get along? Yes, our Governments have ideological differences, but it doesn’t mean all of us as individual people from these two Countries have to hate, threaten, or make fun of the other by slandering our differences, or belittling their accomplishments. Let’s be honest, both of our Country’s Governments have done some beyond shady sh*t, so it’s not like one can judge the other on their Government having the moral high ground over the other. In a perfect world, without Governmental doctrine, policies, and agendas revolving around their spheres of influence, and extending the reach if their power across the globe, if we were able take even a fraction of the billions of $$$ & ¥¥¥ allocated to both of our Country’s “defense” budgets to combine with the innovation coming from our Country’s best & brightest in addition to our combined resources (both natural & manpower); the U.S. and China working together, instead of actively at odds (along international cooperation), we would have fully explored the Solar System by now with operational colonies on the Moon, and close to terraforming Mars right now. Unfortunately, a World full of Countries extending olive branches instead of trading bullets is too naïve to ever be a reality. When it comes to Governments, it seems only human for those in power to crave more, and maintaining their power through war & oppressive doctrine over their people will never be out of fashion. As I stated previously, both our Countries are guilty, so neither should be judging the other. We should be thinking of each other as individuals, and not as representatives of our Governmental policies & procedures….. …at least in the KZbin comment sections 😅. *My Adderall prescription is kicking in right now, and most likely explains my rosy perspective, and length of this post I shot from the hip in a few minutes on the subject. Regardless, I stand by it, and my opinion doesn’t matter anyways. Have a good day.

[@user-fw7wr9sq7e]

I’ve finally found someone who actually speaks facts about politics.

[@youtubewatcher4792]

There are drastic differences between the US and chinese government.

[@SkeeNnN]

I think most people in the real world share your perspective, when reading KZbin comments you have to remember that the average person is rarely represented here. Most commenters are either government hired trolls or warmongering armchair generals. The vast majority of people I have talked to in real life have generally been relatively friendly and there have been no arguments despite whatever bullshit differences the government of our countries may have . The truth is most people don't really give a fuck about politics. That being said I must say despite U.S having done some majorly shady stuff, the information that have been coming out of China is beyond chilling, those work camps for Muslims is so disgraceful that to compare the two political systems as being equally bad is a bit of a stretch in my biased opinion. what really sets the political systems in the west appart from the rest of the world is that at least we admit when we fucked up, you will never see China or Mr. Putin admit to any wrongdoing ever, however they constantly point fingers at our self-admitted fuck ups. The double standards ...

[@R463R]

@@SkeeNnN I will not argue with you on any of that. I think I was just hoping we could see ourselves as individuals instead of pawns of our Governments was the only point I was trying to make. You are 100% correct that my comment was a stretch, naïve, and wishful thinking. All of it easier said than done.

[@user-fw7wr9sq7e]

@@SkeeNnN Well, I personally think that work camps might probably be a propaganda fiction written by the west media. If you know about the 13th amendment loophole, you’ll see that there exists similar stuff in the US as well, just the media decide not to talk about it. China has been having the policy to promote minor races for a long time, and it’s not changing any time soon. They enjoy benefits such as lower entrance requirements for schools and autonomous regions. If you look at the Chinese currency, you’ll see there are 5 different languages printed on those, including Uyghur language. I’d personally recommend you to visit there yourself.

[@tommyhunter1817]

The advantage of total control.

[@Lucentjuffowup]

Ah yes the J20, the dollar store version of the F-22....

[@alphachief6085]

lmao

[@nubgaming1013]

The great value of 5th gen

[@hondaservicecenter]

Bad ass plane bro

[@hondaservicecenter]

Such good 💯

[@hondaservicecenter]

Daewoo j20

[@venpirethevampire]

Man this comment section...

[@timjobs3634]

The amount of sinophobia is just disgusting

[@TheFreakingBeast18]

@@timjobs3634 It's justified. China is becoming bolder and bolder until someone shuts their mouth for good.

[@fleisbester612]

@@timjobs3634 a bunch of butthurt muricans...

[@deforged]

how complicated/likely would it be for the same planes to keep getting repainted with different numbers to mess with observers counts?

[@dabo5078]

It would be a useless and overly expensive mess that has 0 point. There is literally no need for China to waste that sort of extra money on repainting the stealth coating (Yes both J10Cs and J16 have radar absorbent materials used) every 2 days for "deception" against a non-threat at the moment. Especially when the strategic initiative is on China's side. Might as well just buy more aircraft with that cash.

[@user-qw1er2ty3ui4o]

Repainting planes… Copism comment of the day.

[@dstr1]

Why would China do that!? They can afford to buy them and they have the facilities to produce them at very high rates. They are actually in the process of upgrading their fleet to this level aircrafts.

[@deforged]

how young are you people? have you never heard of a "Potemkin Village"? useless? it's a show of force and a signal to foreign observers that "we are so mightily and numerous don't even think to mess with us. preemptive deterrence is literally the main point of having a military force. overly expensive? its less expensive than actually building, testing, and maintaining those numbers of planes, and assign pilots to them. guys. this is literally the same nation that spray paints mountains and dead grass into green color, and drapes camouflage nets over rocky mountains, and STAPLES plastic leafy branches to dead trees to make themselves look greener and more environmentally diverse, all at immense cost of materials and men hours, because it is still less expensive than actually coming up with and implementing effective environmental policies. every single claim i made above is verified with videos and investigations from inside China. there is a lot more than this about all the way that CCP lies and deceives in a wide range of ways for many legitimate reasons. is this youtube channel your only source for military and sociopolitical developments around the words? please expand your sources of information and get some.

[@deforged]

@@dstr1 see above. already answered

[@danielb6927]

As a wise man once said "OH NO!......................................ANYWAYS!"

[@Elver_Galarga816]

The J 16 looks better than the SU 35, but it would be a matter of time to see how good it is

[@azazelRising72]

... I don't think it's a beauty pageant. But, if it was, my vote goes to the YF-23 Black Widow. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-23

[@loadingnewads]

@@azazelRising72 I love it, but it;s not as beautiful as F22

[@godzillamothra5983]

the problem with the Chinese airforce in the past is the bottle neck in engine tech. China still had to import engines from Russia, that's why the Chinese airforce development is slower than the navy. But the Chinese solved the engine problem, the domestic engine is ready, and that's why the airforce development is on steroid now.

[@beenladen4924]

the "domestic" engine is probably stolen :D

[@rh906]

And even their Navy is not impressive. It doesn't have the range to do anything significant beyond looking scary and maybe coastal defense.

[@mrmacias4217]

It’s a win win Russia gets money China gets better technology I don’t see your point?

[@alphachief6085]

What makes USAF strong is their tanker fleet.

[@hondaservicecenter]

Small fast fighter attack craft and anti air makes you better

[@bussolini6307]

China doesn't need a big tanker fleet since they will operate close to mainland China.

[@ryananggoro493]

@@bussolini6307 yeah it's can't be repaired if it's too far away from mainland anyways

[@asdfghjkl92213]

which china is also building right about now

[@brednbudr2406]

@@hondaservicecenter I guess you don't understand logistics. Btw, should be using a work KZbin account, or is that some joke? Lol

[@fenchen531]

it depends on how tense the US-China relationship will be. for the past decade, the production capacity of CN warships is significantly higher than the US for the defence requirement.

[@ChrisDavis333]

They build a bunch of small non blue water ships and rack up tonnage that way. Little coast guard vessels with machine guns, that are good for approximately nothing but countering piracy. They’re a brown water navy. The US has legitimate 11 carrier strike groups and another 9 or so LHA/LHD carrier groups. China has none, they have no force projection, they have no range, and they don’t have the crews or the captains or the experience. The single carrier that’s not in service yet still won’t have the crews or the ability to project any force, 30% less tonnage, 50% of the cargo, less catapults, less elevators, and its not nuclear powered. Their very best is still outclassed by our super carriers built 50 years ago.

[@ZK-ff2ru]

@@ChrisDavis333 Not only are you completely wrong as newer chinese ships are very similar to american ones in terms of tonnage but also the fact that a naval war with china would happen locally within taiwan which is ~150 km away from china's coast

[@dabo5078]

@@ChrisDavis333 No that was back in the 80s when the USN wasn't the primary threat. Since the 2000s ships launched from the shipyards are usually in the 4000 tons+ range, mostly being frigates, destroyers, and LHDs.

[@ChrisDavis333]

@@dabo5078, it’s not large vessels. Also, I’ve never heard of an LHD being 4,000 tons, 4,000 tons is rather small, an Arleigh Burke class destroyer is about 9-10,000 tons. The Chinese have 1 ship that’s impressive to me, the Type 055, and they’ve been able to produce them fairly quickly. I will give them that ship, that’s about the only concession I’m willing to make at this time. They aren’t a carrier building country in my eyes, so they make up for the tonnage elsewhere, they win in sheer numbers because their doctrine is smaller intercostal/brown water ships. Which frankly makes sense for what they need, they don’t force project across the globe like the US, they defend their “claimed” territorial waters in and around the coast. I’m not shaming them, they have a large navy, just not in the same way as the U.S.

[@dabo5078]

@@ChrisDavis333 Uh LHD their producing is 40000 tons with 3 commissioned for service as of now. 4000 tons is the baseline being the Type54 frigate (which is discontinued and replaced by the Type45A). They also build 40% of the world's commercial cargo ships so this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Currently they have 3 proper fleet carriers built, the largest in size in tonnage outside of the United States. Finally the 055 you are impressed with only finished its initial production run of 8 vessels since 2017. 8 more are slated to be finished in the next 4 years along with another "smaller" 6 052DL (8000 tons) coming in 2023-2024 quarter. (2 already finished and going through sea trials) on top of the 8 built 052DLs and the older 25 regular 052D. Plus a whole host of older destroyers and other models such as the 8 discontinued 25000 tons 071 transport dock. PS the Fujian carrier being 80000 tons is tiny compared to the commercial LNG tanker that was in the drydock next to it. Sure the PLAN is smaller in tonnage than the USN (because of the amount of supercarriers) , but it dwarfs every single other navy by several magnitudes both in quantity, quality and tonnage. Finally exercising around Alaska and patrolling the Philippines sea is pretty blue water... They don't go elsewhere since they don't have military interest there yet. It does not mean lack of capability.