Choosing Between Software Engineer VS Cyber Security (Early Career) | Cyber Security VS SWE Jobs

[@addd21323]

Also, just wanted to add, that if you're in the security field and you at least learn the basics of programming using something like Python, you can also apply to security engineer positions at FAANGs and FAANG-likes and will be compensated accordingly. This was what set me back for a long time in my career. I made $72k-155k in security for a long time (about 4-5 years), then after learning coding, I got an offer for 350k tc at a faang-like as a senior security engineer. It's well worth the effort to put in the time to learn to code even if you're not looking to be a SWE.

[@quinnroberts4310]

what knowledge background did you have going into the security job?

[@addd21323]

@@quinnroberts4310 I had an associates level certificate in IT. I started in IT in an entry level internet help desk position. I got my net+ and sec+ while working that and job hopped a lot to get better experience, then started on my bachelors and various other certs. Eventually I ended up in a NOC as a technician and got promoted after 2 years to network engineer. Almost immediately after becoming a neteng, I job hopped to my first security engineer position. It was about 4 years from when I first started in IT until I landed a security job. Just a note, I basically went sideways into security from networking, which is why I started as a sec eng, but there are plenty of people who start directly in cybersecurity as a soc analyst, if that's more your interest.

[@addd21323]

@@quinnroberts4310 O i just realized you might've wanted to know my background before getting into the faang-like job. I had roughly 10 years experience in IT (about 5 or so in security), M.S. and B.S. in security, and various certs. Having said that, I think had I gotten into security earlier (rather than doing networking first) and also learned how to program immediately (like as soon as I started in IT), I could've landed this job 5 years earlier in my career than I actually did. The biggest thing holding me back was my inability to program (almost all faang and faang-likes will have coding interviews for security engineer positions)

[@_sky8068]

Woah your comment is soo much useful to me....I want to know more...as I am pursuing CSE in specializing in information security... and I have hard time deciding between two..

[@jesuskeyz]

What language do you recommend is best to learn? Atm I know JavaScript and some python

[@BlackCondor88]

Cybersecurity is easier to get into from scratch without having to go back to school. I worked my way up from field tech to a security engineer in only 2 years without any certs and a liberal arts degree at 34 years old lol. From what I’ve seen it looks hard af(not impossible) to get a software engineer job without a computer or engineering degree. Software engineering seems to pay more, especially early on. It usually takes about 2-4 years experience in cybersecurity to start making good money, unless you were a high level system engineer type that pivoted to a security engineer or red team role. Most cybersecurity people I work with hate coding with a passion but I see the writing on the wall. You’re going to have to know both within the next decade.

[@GTRNights]

Engineer is much easier if you have a technical background. Doesn't have a lot of end-game vertical potential though. Analyst is the best to shoot for in my personal opinion, which often requires a BS minimum, plus certs.

[@mrsodolo]

Wish me luck, 36, going back to college to finish my degree in CS, only need 60 credits. One of my first classes is discreet math, yikes. Best of luck to those going for a CS degree

[@jacobarnard49]

Also wonder what type of qualifications did you get to be able to get a job in CS

[@BlackCondor88]

@@jacobarnard49 Didn't have any when I started, just experience. I have Sec+ and CCNA now though. I had to pass Sec+ in 90 days to keep the job I have now.

[@future_teknokrat7585]

If I take your first two sentences and put it in a general context, that just isn't true. That hasn't been true in about 7+ years, but not that long. Without one certification or degree, one can spend that same two years and/or less (less) to reach the same salary/income level. SaaS applications, the extensions of JavaScript, and the more open source nature of .Net lowered barriers where a CS degree was no longer necessary. The biggest issue is the wrong strategy. Too many took the traditional science and engineering path in order to just be a high level software developer. Not actual hardcore software engineering work which is done at Lockheed or NASA, for example. Another issue too many focused on getting into Big Tech companies, who had to create a cutoff funnel due to high volumes of applications. Again, a CS degree wasn't necessary, just skill and experience. In short, 12 months of putting in the same hours it takes to pass 3-6 certs in a year, would yield a higher salary in the early stages vs Cyber, on average. And I'm an IT guy. The biggest advantage IT/Security has over development is a faster and direct path to Management. An "IT" person can and will most likely be the "Director of (X)" which supervised the development team in some way.

[@yuvalavrum9354]

I’m getting my associate’s right now in cyber security (I’ll have A+, network+, and security+ at the end of it), so this was really enlightening! I know I’ll start at a help desk position probably, but I’ll take boring work over being stuck in food service 😅

[@jayzswayz4897]

if you "know" you will start at help desk then you will, aim higher, very possible to start as an analyst

[@GTRNights]

Help desk has pretty much nothing to do with security. You might as well go to food service. Nobody going to hire you for an analyst position because you have a year or two experience in help desk. Look for anything entry-level you can, even internships. Get as much direct security exposure as possible.

[@tracy_cakkes]

Same here!

[@mattiaslp9645]

@@GTRNights 110% wrong. you can move up from a help desk position or you can apply to other jobs once you have a year under your belt. who would hire a food service worker as an analyst when you can hire a help desk tech that understands the standard security layout?

[@bats9218]

@@GTRNights you'll have an easier time reconstructing your resume towards cybersecurity via helpdesk roles than food service. Don't be so demotivating- though I understand where you're coming from, you shouldn't push down other people

[@TechwithLuca]

Thank you for sharing! Always fun doing these comparisons :)

[@WithSandra]

Thanks for watching Luca! 😄

[@bribabie9854]

This is very informative. I am currently studying Cybersecurity in college but just got accepted for this Software Development Internship Program. Both are extremely interesting.

[@thinkboutdat]

How it is going

[@criardutson734]

Which did you like it better?

[@ashidijoy6846]

Do/did you study both simultaneously?

[@JasonL_Hawaii]

Lol, that thousand yard stare at 4:26. Thanks Sandra and Luca for sharing.

[@WithSandra]

LOL OMG DUDE, I was editing this like damn this stare thing i got going on is KILLING ME and I can’t even cut it out 😂😂😂🤣🥹 gotta remember to blink lmao

[@AzazelHash281]

Both of you are very relaxing to listen to I like the energy here

[@MomoDuality]

Unsure why I clicked on this, but I love your guys' dynamic! I'm going into tech into the data engineering field, and since I haven't been in tech it was great to hear your guys experiences, very cool video!

[@EAvalos415]

Thank you guys so much for your time. I appreciate all of the knowledge and helping me figure out my next step. Love the vids!!

[@cherokeebill9914]

The degrees are great and all but nowadays it's definitely more about "WHAT YOU CAN DO" and "WHAT DO YOU KNOW"! There are a lot of people with degrees that are VERY effective however there are just as many without ANY degrees or credentials that are JUST AS effective and can also be even MORE effective. Performance and ability is really contingent moreso on the individual's capacity these days, this is especially true on the blockchain tech development and security side. To anyone working to break into tech remember that it's possible no matter your background or what creds you do or don't have....NOBODY KNOWS EVERYTHING, EVEN THE BEST HAVE SOMETHING TO LEARN! 👍

[@studyou1016]

Love how you mentioned (Early Career) I feel like once you're experienced in Cyber Security, You can probably work multiple jobs at once, multiplying your income. Cyber Security is probably the few jobs that let you do this

[@Kenndy16]

What are the certifications needed for Cyber Security?

[@darksouls6014]

@@Kenndy16 maybe CCNA (or security+)

[@fallingbed1]

@@Kenndy16 It depends on what you want to do within the field because there are SOOO many different kinds of jobs within Cybersecurity. Once you figure out what you want to do, look for what kinds of certifications you need that works well with whatever job you want to work in. For example, if you want to become a pen tester, you could potentially look at getting a CEH certificate and others.

[@Kenndy16]

@@fallingbed1 I am aiming for jobs in Cyber Security where I can work at least 2 jobs at once to increase income, good work-life balance, high remote opportunity, and longevity (meaning I don't have to worry about getting fired when I turn 65).

[@fallingbed1]

@@Kenndy16 - comptia A+ (help desk jobs) - comptia Network+ (opens even more job positions) - comptia Security+ (helps solidify resume because it’s a very popular certification and is necessary IMO if one is brand new to the cybersecurity field) - CCNA certification (edit: this one focuses on Cisco equipment and it may not be needed at all but if you have the time and money, I think this is a good cert to go for, as it would significantly solidify your resume.) -- If you’re in for the long run and want to get even more knowledge and more bag 💰 then I recommend getting these in order listed from top to bottom. After comptia A+, if you were to find a job already and are comfortable there, then you can def stop your quest for more certs but In the long run, it’ll honestly really help you stand out from others and also help you to not make mistakes while you’re working. This being said, idk what you knowledge level is in the field but I went kinda specific in case others read this. There’s a LOT of resources online to help assist passing the tests such as on the website Udemy: Jason Dion practice tests, Mike Meyers Video lessons; KZbin free video playlists like Professor Messer playlists, etc

[@thesunbeamin4304]

Getting $200K right out of college is insane. Man, I want to continue to do Cybersecurity but SWE salaries are just insane.

[@WithSandra]

It's true LOL, SWE salaries are crazy, especially in big tech (even with all the layoffs going on), I know security professionals with 20+ years of experience making less than the entry level salaries for a SWE at FAANG which blows my mind everytime I think about it..

[@lolononojay9010]

@@WithSandra F#CK FAANG.

[@CrowHawk1000]

@@WithSandra really depends on company I believe. I believe FAANG will pay similarly between the two disciplines

[@GTRNights]

@@WithSandra Yeah but everyone and their mother are trying to get into FAANG so good luck with that. I'd still rather have amazing job security with infosec than be a dime a dozen engineer.

[@imveryhungry112]

A lot of cybersecurity jobs are software engineering positions. If your working for a product company, working on security products your going to be writing code.

[@starish9715]

The comment section is gold too 📝📝

[@_Island_Boy]

Wow, i never thought this day would come where we compare cyber to software engineering. ..For folks like me whose been in it for over a decade or so coming up from the trenches, I'll shed a tear to see that it is now at the ranks of SWE.

[@Stoneface_]

Cybersecurity has come a long way and now it's very important and most companies are willing to pay a lot of money for experienced Cybersecurity professionals. It's also a very popular field

[@UnBesoDeCristal]

you sound unbearable ❤

[@UnBesoDeCristal]

you sound unbearable ❤

[@Boudiccanyc]

Why not both? That's what I do/did. Being overemployed for the win with 2 remote jobs is fun and if time is managed correctly, not that difficult to pull off.

[@maralavellan7863]

This sounds really intriguing, do you mind elaborating a little?

[@cptrey]

very interested as to how you managed this? what was your main job?

[@megamidelaluna9333]

do you even have a life sir? that sounds difficult.

[@patriciopereyra7143]

So you make around $350k a year?

[@funutation]

I would say it doesn't matter which way you go if you're looking for money, and if you're worry about how long you'll be working...both are great, so choose which you like

[@sabrinaurbano9238]

Many thanks guys, your transparency is refreshing and truly appreciated, new subbie here!

[@WithSandra]

Aw thanks so much Sabrina! Glad these videos are helpful ☺️

[@-_______________________.___]

Tech folks are fairly compensated. They are paid for their expertise. Similar to how doctors don’t necessarily have to “work hard” to collect a good salary.

[@willisianturi1499]

Cyber Security and Software Development are fields that I would like to be interested in. But if asked to choose which one, I choose Cyber Security.

[@msnightstar4418]

I'm currently doing software development, but I will like to switch to cyber but is it dangerous or something 🤔

[@casualnodder]

@@msnightstar4418 dangerous? 😂

[@Ashokkumar-oj8st]

I'm also confused🤔

[@mrsodolo]

Great Video! Wish me luck, going back to college to finish my degree in Computer Science only need 60 credits. Best of luck to those going after their CS degree!

[@Cielazul28]

What was your bs in?

[@bishopkrout6323]

Why do people think tech job’s compensation are inflated? The work you do daily and the work it takes to get the job makes the pay well deserved.

[@JazzCultivation]

Also because you could be the weapon of their rivals and you could be their threat. They better treat you well.

[@Hiperultimate]

You guys forgot to talk about the work life balance. I wanted to know how much work are you getting per day, or extra free time. If possible do let me know by replying this message :D

[@WithSandra]

Oh this is a great topic for a future cyber vs swe vid where we can go more in depth! I would say Luca gets more work than I do since I have more downtime periods in between tickets or security issues that come up, but as a SWE, you always have stories to work on for every sprint, it really is like a hamster wheel sometimes lol, thanks for bringing this up!

[@Hiperultimate]

@@WithSandra Oh I see... Thanks for sharing and replying!

[@shemariahbapetel9196]

I'm getting my bachelors in cyberSecurity at WGU, at the end of my program I'll have 14 cyber security certificates, can't wait to be done!

[@limit_limitless9875]

How have you been enjoying the structure there? I'm looking to start next year at WGU

[@Cielazul28]

Do they help with job placements?

[@shemariahbapetel9196]

@@limit_limitless9875 it’s really lovely and u study at ur own time

[@shemariahbapetel9196]

Well they gave career services, but job placements I’m not so sure

[@dimsdaledimadome]

@@shemariahbapetel9196 Ive heard some good things about WGU and im really interested in getting into cybersecurity. I just graduated high school last year, by any chance do you know the enroll requirements? Also how long has it been taking you to get your B.S.? Ive heard a lot of people do it very fast there. Any info would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

[@clowy6522]

Great video, thank you

[@WithSandra]

Glad this was helpful for you! Thanks for watching :D

[@akinretoyejustin]

Great video guys! Sandra you looked sad in the caption pic lol

[@vm.x]

It appears that Software Engineers make more right out of college than Cyber Security. How about in 2-3-5 years in the job. Do SWE still make more, or do Cyber Security catch up to the SWE and they make the same?

[@GTRNights]

That depends on how far you move up. In cybersecurity, the salaries for a Director are about 200-250k. CISO are very wide ranging but the top 10th percentile of CISO can make upwards of 450k. That's working direct for a company. Doing your own consulting after a decade of that or so can net you BIG bucks. By big I mean millions.

[@leibaylon3209]

UPLOAD MORE, PLEASE I NEED MORE CONTENT LIKE THIS!!! BADLYYYY!!!😭🙏

[@Brucelee89896]

Sandra i just discovered your channel and i love the content 👌

[@WithSandra]

Thanks so much! And glad this was helpful for you :D!

[@Max_Lavoisier]

Hey Sandra, thank you for your videos; can you make a video about the free time ( break, vacations...) you get from work?

[@WithSandra]

Hi Max, thanks for watching! For my "free time", I work average 40-45 hrs (9am-5pm or 6pm) per week, I get 4 weeks of vacation per year but this highly depends on your company and the PTO policy, we also get public holidays not included in the vacation days so maybe total days off per year would be around 32-35? We have unlimited sick days but I think most companies have a set number per year, I rarely work weekends or evenings unless it's REALLY busy or we have an ongoing incident or unexpected issue. Hope this helps! :)

[@laughing5559]

Cyber Security is a management type job. Software engineering is technical. If you can write and understand TCP/IP code as an engineer, Cyber Security is just fluff.

[@tm-te9mh]

partially right, cyber security on the IT/enterprise can be very technical but eventually just becomes management. however you do need a deep technical understanding to drive policy, and leadership correctly. Security engineering (which in my view is typically SWE + security and my job profession) drives the creation of products and/or services with sound security principles. PMs and management are separate here.

[@lunedefroid8817]

Cyber security can be a hands on job too. Things like pentesting. But most of the job is actually telling people what to do xD

[@joshstewart1649]

😂 cyber security is definitely technical.

[@MyRamblingRose86]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 yeah no

[@laughing5559]

@@tm-te9mh ​ To give an example I'm sure that you will agree. If your job is to tell people not to click on links in e-mails then you are in cyber security. If your job is to write software to format and populate fields in a Network Time Protocol message in a manner that it insures that a man in the middle attack doesn't get away with charging you interest for four milliseconds of time instead of four microseconds then you are a software engineer. Which do you think requires more skill and pays more?

[@HustlerHabits]

Thank you for sharing! Really appreciate the transparency, hope your channel grow even more! 🙏😊

[@meganweis184]

Im about to attend WGU for cybersecurity! Im excited to see where i can take it :)

[@WithSandra]

Good luck in your classes at WGU Megan! Keep us updated with your progress 😁

[@maalikserebryakov]

@@WithSandralike you give a f

[@36090pburke]

Any thought on which is more future proof against a.i.

[@maalikserebryakov]

Nothing

[@LubricatedMelon]

Cybersecurity most likely

[@imveryhungry112]

Keep in mind salaries, are relative to your location. 200k in San Francisco, in the bay area isn't really that great. Your not going to find even a 1 bedroom apartment there for less than 3k a month. Making 200k in the bay area vs making 200k in Austin Texas are two completely different things. Even if dc 200k isn't that great. Most of the government employees here who are just in cush jobs are making Mid 100s. I think there's been a lot of salary inflation the past few years.

[@margaret8114]

Thank you!

[@RalphMartinez007]

I leverage Alteryx for the Data analysis in GRC role. I automate my work with Alteryx instead of using Excel...

[@MAX-nv6yj]

After the salary and the bonus I don’t want to watch the full video I will be fine 😂 LOL I will watch it later don’t worry😅 I just got motivated to study programming (; Thanks a lot for such an important video and I liked that the ones in the field are talking directly to us about their job and experiences thank u again 😊❤

[@joshferreira2160]

Could I realistically get a basic cyber security entry level job with 2 associates (one in computer science and the other in business) and Net+, Sec+, and one more cyber security related certification?

[@GTRNights]

It's possible but will be limited to engineering positions, but yes, it's entirely feasible with those credentials as long as you can prove you have the tech skills they're looking for.

[@KriZtiaN17VL]

The very first question! No waste of time here! haha

[@luumaven]

I like coding but not something I want to do everyday lol which is why I switched to trying to get into Cybersecurity.

[@DY-uv7vr]

How much coding you're doingin Cybersecurity?

[@joelbarramedavo]

I wish someone would notice my comment. what if you are a f.broke right now Graduated as BSIT way back 10 years ago and got lost track I went to sales and marketing I enjoyed it a lot but now Trying to come back to tech industry I want freelance remote with flexi time. working on my pajamas. working anywhere and anytime. CS or WEB DEV? 😭

[@WithSandra]

For the most flexibility, web dev/SWE would probably be the way to go, cybersecurity has much more on-call requirements and times when you have to jump on for incidents at various times, both roles have remote options but there're probably more in the SWE space when it comes to full-remote. Working anywhere is usually a contractor/freelance option (aka working from Bali or out of the country) so I'd focus on those working arrangements. Hope this helps and best of luck! :)

[@Dangerclose1]

My first Cybersecurity job was out of the military at $115K in 2010. I did have a bachelors degree, security plus, and four years of hands on experience.

[@bntin1481]

I have 2 questions, I want to get straight into the field with cyber security I want to know if it’s easier the SWE I’m not lazy but I’m not looking to do stressful work either and second I’m about to go to school to get my comptia certificate but if I get a class going straight into cybersecurity would that be more beneficial vs taking extra time to getting the comptia

[@donnyray9087]

SWE is a bit stressful since you’ll have deadlines

[@eeffocian88]

What do you think of getting CMU MTIS (ISA track)? My case is a mid career pivot so not looking at entry level positions

[@amsmagicalgardeninsmall1009]

Sandra, can you do a video of jobs that are available for people that know Python, jobs for coders and info on I've learned to code... Now what. My son taught his self Python, and he continues to do so, (he's also Autistic) so I'm trying to guide him into a career using the skill. 🙏🏽

[@GTRNights]

Security engineering and security automation are both looking for people with Python. However, he'll still need to know about security, not just able to code things. Encourage him to study up on cybersecurity basics if he's interested in that path.

[@GTRNights]

@Programmer Driz That depends on what it is that you want to do in security. There's many different domains which all have different related certifications. Figure out what kind of area you want to be involved in and then seek out the certification programs for that area. There's tons of them, and they increase in level of difficulty from beginner to expert. I'm also not sure what you mean by, you need 4 years experience before you start making money. My first entry-level job as an Analyst back in 2014 was 80k a year.

[@GTRNights]

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[@margaret8114]

If your son loves Python, they also are in need of Data Analysts. They are hiring like crazy I hear. He would need to learn SQL and advanced Excel pretty well for that too. He can learn using Udemy or something to see if he likes SQL. (Udemy has good sales).

[@darkheart1172]

So you guys mean the hardest cyber security is less payment than software developer?!!

[@alaaalwabel3240]

Thanks

[@enigma5850]

Informative

[@MyDogSteppedOnaBeee]

Thank you for the video! Can you tell us what you said or how you negotiated your salary from 105 to 115? And any tips, things that you did to do that? Thanks 😊

[@ThisIsEduardo]

Which is more saturated ? Cyber Security or Software Engineering ?

[@WithSandra]

I’d say def software engineering, even stats going through job growth numbers internationally point towards faster and more growth of cyber security jobs than software engineering jobs. However, while there is more growth of jobs in cybersecurity, there is still a gap between salaries of cyber vs swe, specifically in big tech where swe salaries can be much more than cybersecurity. All things to weigh on and keep in mind when making your decision, good luck!!

[@kaemora8958]

Hi I've been watching for a little bit because I'm interested in this kind of field. I majored accounting like an idiot because I was rushed to choose a major, when I realized I'd much rather be in tech it was too late. I have a BA in accounting now. How would I go about learning all this material and making a career out of it? If there is even a way to do it without having to go back to school.

[@GTRNights]

Actually, you can use that accounting degree to your advantage if you work your way into cybersecurity compliance and become an auditor!

[@yamayama6083]

Look into bootcamps. You'll change careers in months

[@mattiaslp9645]

cpa's make very good money. with years of experience you can make well over 300k at a big finance firm. you can also open up your own cpa firm or tax practice and net over 1 mil a year.

[@kaemora8958]

@@mattiaslp9645 I know that, but accounting is not what i want to do

[@rickyliuna9376]

Unlike Engineering, ML, Robotics AI unit, at least, I haven't seen Cyber security team were let go during Twitter/Amazon massive layoff..

[@kaourintintamine1383]

Companies are getting hacked and making security mistakes left and right, there’s no way they release their security engineers

[@rickyliuna9376]

@@kaourintintamine1383 Does it mean the Cybersecurity become more essentials in comparison to SWE,ML,AI,Robotics for the companies atm?

[@chittyserv]

fresh grad for IT in Malaysia (SE / CS) is around 700 USD/month

[@saumyatanepal1256]

is it? can you tell me what are the list of skills required to get in ?

[@brianbrian3031]

Thanks for the info. How hard is it to get a part-time position in cybersecurity? I guess it's almost impossible as a fresher?

[@rizviclub7861]

What Best software engineer ya cyber security engineer please help me

[@Mariah-bf2uj]

*Coming from the medical field* I’ve started coding for fun in my free time and so far I love it! It’s fun to create on your own. If I were to be interested in Software engineering would I have to go back to school for that?

[@ellaa7985]

I'm wondering the same thing; im in materials engineering and soon pursuing my masters in biomed eng bc I love the medical field, but I also have a love for coding! & don't want to do any more school/bootcamps lol. wondering if just knowing the code is enough.

[@OhMyJawsh]

@@ellaa7985 you can start some projects and build a portfolio yeah learning code is enough but if you're wanting a career make sure you understand algorithms and data structures and also have a portfolio with a few small projects that you've worked on. github is a great place to start building projects

[@braziliandancer7]

You can also go back to school and do it through WGU. You can pretty much do it at your own pace. So some people can finish in 6 months or longer. It all depends on how much time you put into it. I’m currently in their software engineering degree and I’m loving it. I’m coming with no IT background and also coming from healthcare.

[@rizviclub7861]

Which best scope

[@shuvadeepkanrar5250]

You are doing a great job... If your speed speech little slow it would be better for me.... 😅😅.. Love from India... ❤️❤️

[@frenchiehorn4339]

You can adjust the speed of the video in the settings

[@mooing90]

why am i watching this i work in both fields at a large firm in DevSecOps

[@lonelywolfcat.6hq2]

I'm confused af which one of you is doing cyber and engin?

[@Yonaguniz]

As someone who has a highschool diploma and 0 experience in tech, is a degree in computer science or IT necessary? Or could is the Cyber Security Professional Certificate enough too land a 6 figure job?

[@maalikserebryakov]

Degree is necessary Simply because everyone else has it.

[@12Burton24]

Signing bonus 😂 wtf i wish we had this in europe. I have 14 years experience in aviation and im below 80k....even im responsible for all those lifes as a EASA B1 licenced Engineer.

[@renrenbei6400]

Its cool so you don't need pay fee for testing your app that you build

[@Onionshavelayers98]

im currently 24 and taking a cyber security course for undergrad bachelors, I have never done an IT jobs what do you recommend i start first?

[@LaxBboys]

I remember watching a IT video on KZbin and those guys say everyone start at the help desk.

[@ghanaboy49]

UMD !! Is that where you went to school?

[@wigfall99]

Hello, I recently graduated from the University of Maryland Global Campus with a Bachelor's Degree in Computer Networks and Cybersecurity. My job experience is mostly customer service experience. I have no clearance and no certification. I want to get my foot into the door with cybersecurity, but no job want to hire me at all. I was also curious about software engineering since my current job has me doing volunteer software testing for the company i'm working with. Any advice would be helpful.

[@innocentrage1]

Software engineering is easier to get into. The thing with cyber is there are a lot of gate keepers and they dont want to train so you basically have to start at help desk and then when you arent working you are studying for cyber related stuff and even then people wont hire you. Took me a year of interviewing just to get my first cyber security job

[@wigfall99]

@@innocentrage1 I already have looked into help desk as well and they would have the same kind of requirements as well. I live near Washington DC and mostly any entry IT role requires experience which I do not have, a clearance , and/or a certification. How am I suppose to get 2 years experience already for an entry-level position in IT?

[@GTRNights]

@@wigfall99 You can substitute 2 years of experience for a 4-year degree. You also should focus a lot on networking with others, because just shotgunning applications isn't an effective way of job hunting in infosec. Knowing people will make things much easier.

[@DY-uv7vr]

Do you have green card? Or OPT?

[@wigfall99]

@@DY-uv7vr i am a US citizen.

[@abdullahalmanasseer4360]

Is a degree in cybersecurity enough or do you need additional certificates? Im planning on getting a masters in cybersecurity

[@rajmendon6411]

Which field is easier to get a job in after a master's degree?

[@WithSandra]

I would say Cyber Security is more specialized but does always require hands on experience more often considering its harder to work on your own projects related to security since it’s not always as easy as SWE where you can just build a website or an app, so I’f lean towards SWE being easier but you’ll still be highly sought after with a masters in Cyber Security as well, good luck Raj!!

[@GTRNights]

That depends. Is your masters in cybersecurity? If not, then is it at least in computer science or something related? If not, then it doesn't matter at all. Having a degree isn't going to make either job "easier" for you, as it will depend on whether or not you have a natural ability for it. Software Engineering is a very narrow field. Cybersecurity is an extremely wide field covering the entire organization and all aspects of business. Cybersecurity is not simply limited to pentesters or threat hunters. That is only a TINY portion of what security actually does on the whole.

[@KingCobraYT01]

Come to my country you will get 150-300USD$(fresher-1y) per month also car is expensive as compair to NYC like tesla model 3 63k$ in india 73k$

[@maxime_vhw]

Those salaries are insane in the usa. You'd be looking at 25k in belgium

[@DL-nb9hp]

Thanks for sharing. Is it for SWE? Or for Cybersecurity?

[@maxime_vhw]

@@DL-nb9hp probably both. A starter salary i've heard alot is around 1800-2000.(net) but ussualy you get a car, fuel card, phone and laptop.

[@romanhossen6392]

Is it possible that , Can I join As a cyber security engineer in FAANG companys after complete my Computer science graduation...? I mean Is they allow to join their company A Non-experience cyber security engineer... Because In this video he join Google as a SWE just after his Graduation...

[@GTRNights]

Typically, engineers will have an easier time getting a FAANG job because engineers burn out a lot, can be high turnover, and they need tons of them. Cybersecurity teams are much, much smaller, so there are not anywhere near as many jobs available at FAANG companies for security. The competition for those slots are also highly contested, because they need experts, not entry-level fresh grads.

[@jeremycheong8036]

You need to put yourself in the boss’s point of view. Which is more detrimental to a company’s reputation. Please also consider that cyber would require some level of shift work.

[@aaronthacker3573]

for someone that is breaking into tech with a non-tech bachelors degree would one suggest to go back to get more Info tech courses or are certifications the way to go? Great video thank you for all the help

[@slimrecruitment786]

Is working in cybersecurity does a lot of coding or programming?

[@likandokayombo]

This is huge

[@tLt42Libra]

Hi Sandra , I've only high school diploma , I didn't go any college , But I'm really have time and money to go college , But I am always between these two job titles , whether software/application engineer or cyber security, Which one is more practical for me to start since I work 5 days Mondays - Fridays 7am-3pm . By what I know so far , software engineer is hard to do if u don't have college degree , where as cyber security, I feel like Google released course would be great for me to start things and change for something better . I am always into tech in general , love new tech and stuff . So what would u think would be more attainable and precise for me to pick one of these twos choices ? Thank u Sandra , I liked ya videos and all contents , just came to know ya KZbin just now , sure I shall go most of ya videos for sure , it seems u well versed in cyber security so far what I see at ya KZbin contents .

[@DY-uv7vr]

Is it hard to get a job as a international student who only has bachelor degree in cyber security field?

[@JordanShackelford]

Help I have applied to over 1,000 jobs and I can't find anything :( hardly any response. where can I get help with my resume

[@WithSandra]

Try to cater your resume to the skills listed in the jobs you apply to, pick 1-2 job titles and find 3 top skills you see consistently then learn those skills, lots of cybersecurity skills have free courses and community licenses you can use for free! I also have my video on my cybersecurity resume here kzbin.info/www/bejne/opCmdqGqmMqXrdE Goodluck Jordan, you got this!!

[@DONTKNOW602]

so im in military and has been doing cyber security has sec+ . But has bachalors in computer science dont know which side to go into >.< have very little experiece in programing but school. any suggestions ?

[@kevincarballo6303]

I plan on going to UMD too ! GO TERPS!

[@qzqx3047]

Great content guys! But please shut off your fan or PC there's very constant fanning noise and it disturbs the ears while on headphones.

[@MrCzarinas]

Cool content guys! Keep it up. Also a cyber peep here.

[@vm.x]

Is SWE boring compared to Cyber Security? Which one do you enjoy more doing?

[@GTRNights]

The purpose of your job isn't to keep you entertained. What someone else enjoys more may not align with what you'll enjoy more. You're asking all the wrong questions.

[@vilecandy]

@@GTRNights While the purpose of a job isn't to keep you entertained it certainly makes it more bearable if the job doesn't involve something you dread doing everyday.

[@GTRNights]

@@vilecandy if you dread making 6 figures from home then you're probably a lazy, spoiled millennial.

[@coffeehousephilosopher7936]

cliff notes.. go with cybersecurity.. its better .. the end.. xD

[@animedude1957]

Hi all my name is Timothy So far I been doing the modules or try hack me to learn the cybersecurity concepts and things to that nature Is there anyone in cybersecurity who are in the Healthcare field. I need help to see what I need to do to get into that. What steps y’all did or what I should do. I already work in the healthcare field and have a Masters in Healthcare Administration

[@GTRNights]

Know the HIPAA privacy rule inside and out. The only main consideration for cybersecurity in healthcare specifically is the specific requirements around HIPAA compliance.

[@dimepia123]

Do you think 30 is too old to get into either field?

[@Thesadsadgame]

No way

[@weho_brian]

No, with remote work it's easier because there's less bias against older worker

[@amvlabs5339]

most software engineers i meet today are clueless and worthless, kids are passing university these days and they can barely coded a class and some methods, forget about asking them questions about inheritance or polymorphism and the like

[@Thesadsadgame]

I work with engineers who are cluelesssssss

[@mattiaslp9645]

you sound jealous.

[@Thesadsadgame]

@@mattiaslp9645 you sound triggered.

[@kennySg101]

High pay

[@srimayeearchana7871]

I didn't choose I was given Cybersecurity. Sometimes I feel stuck in job but still learning everyday.

[@Nadir-Ul-Kaysar-Handsome-VA]

I'm a virtual assistant so my girlfriend might be gonna be content creator or may be don't know? lol :p

[@furqantarique3484]

I don't want to be jobless due to AI

[@CharlieVN]

AI is no threat to SWE, ai certainly can’t implement, can’t fix their own mistakes, can’t decipher if a software solution is even necessary.

[@furqantarique3484]

@@CharlieVN thanks

[@maged4087]

Umd , I went there too 😂

[@innocentrage1]

Just do both lol

[@WithSandra]

I’m assuming this could mean either as a Security Engineer or overemployed as a security analyst and a SWE, either way i guess thats an option 😆

[@j.vosier6786]

Lol thats what im going to do

[@weho_brian]

SWE GANG IN DA HOUSE

[@12Burton24]

As soon as you have children and not owning a nice house you will prefer to go to the office😂

[@EUROSPORTS4TECH]

Please don't speed up Ur voice 🥴😡

[@b14ckh4wk3]

What is your PH channel?

[@No_Ordinary_Jane]

B🎉

[@itworld456]

If you from China. So which university will be best for cyber security degree? Kindly replay

[@sauravsimkhada1943]

Speak slowly.

[@FicTechStudio]

Are you guy's couple. I needed a mentor especially Cybersecurity I'm confused as f*ck