Christian Denominations: Is the Roman Catholic Church really the First Christian denomination?

Christian Denominations: Title: Christian Denominations: Is the Catholic Church Really the First Church Denomination?
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In this thought-provoking video, we delve into the complex history of Christian denominations, posing a fundamental question: Was the Catholic Church truly the first church denomination? Join us as we navigate through centuries of religious evolution, theological schisms, and ecclesiastical developments to uncover the roots of denominationalism within Christianity.
Drawing on historical records, biblical scholarship, and theological insights, we explore the emergence of diverse Christian traditions and the factors that led to the formation of distinct denominations. From the early centuries of Christianity to the present day, we trace the evolution of doctrinal differences, liturgical practices, and ecclesiastical structures that have shaped the landscape of the Christian faith.
Central to our inquiry is the exploration of the Catholic Church's claim to be the original and universal church founded by Jesus Christ. Through a critical examination of historical evidence and theological arguments, we seek to evaluate this assertion and its implications for understanding the broader Christian tradition.
Prepare for a captivating journey that challenges conventional narratives, stimulates critical thinking, and deepens our understanding of the rich tapestry of Christian denominationalism. Whether you're a scholar of religious history, a curious seeker, or a devoted believer, this video offers valuable insights into the complex interplay of faith, history, and tradition within the Christian world.
Join us as we embark on an enlightening exploration of Christian denominations and the enduring quest to discern the true nature of the Church. Don't miss out on this engaging discussion that promises to inspire reflection, dialogue, and a deeper appreciation for the diversity of Christian expressions.

[@guywillson1549]

Definitely NOT. Christians were small house church groups until the time of Constantine. Pagan Roman cults began to surface and insinuate themselves into the fabric of Christian practice. The Christian cult of Mary supplied the goddess and was presented as the Theotokos (God bearer); sun worship produced Christmas. Jesus was made into the Sun god. So evil was this body that by the Middle Ages, she was killing Christians herself culminating Ferdinand and Jezebella sponsoring the Spanish Inquisition. There is much more to add but here is sufficient to support the right answer to your question.

[@drkKennedy]

Well said. Thank you for such an insightful comment.

[@hanmirz4803]

@@guywillson1549 , there was no protestantism for at least 1500 years after the establishment of Christianity. There was only Holy Apostolic Catholic Church. Be careful for hating the person our Lord love, especially His mother. The Book of Luke clearly stated, “ All generations will call me blessed”. We have the fullness of truth.

[@kainosktisis777]

Hmmm. How do you reconcile your view with this? From "What the Early Church Believed: The Meaning of 'Catholic’" (C.A.): "The Greek roots of the term "Catholic" mean "according to ( *kata* -) the whole ( *holos* )," or more colloquially, " *universal* ." At the beginning of the second century, we find in the letters of Ignatius the first surviving use of the term "Catholic" in reference to the Church. At that time, or shortly thereafter, it was used to refer to a single, visible communion, separate from others. From the Book of Acts in the Koine Greek (BibleHub): Acts 5:11 - ὅλην τὴν ἐκκλησίαν "holen ten ekklesian" - nominative - translated as "The Whole Church" Acts 9:31 - εκκλησια καθ'ολης (ekklesia kathholes) - Catholic is also an adjective, but it modifies the words following it, best translated as "the Church throughout the whole of..." Acts 15:22 - ὅλῃ τῇ ἐκκλησίᾳ "holen ten ekklesia" - nominative - translated as "The Whole Church" See also Strong’s Concordance (BibleHub): 2527. katholou ► Strong's Concordance katholou: in general Original Word: καθόλου Part of Speech: Adverb Transliteration: katholou Phonetic Spelling: (kath-ol'-oo) Definition: in general Usage: one the whole, in general, altogether.” From St Ignatius of Antioch’s “Letter to the Smyrnaeans,” written ca. 107-110 AD before his martyrdom: “Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, *wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church* . It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.” Look at Acts 1:20 in the KJV: 20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. In the Greek, the word for bishoprick (also translated as position, office, or duty or even leadership) is (Strong’s Concordance - BibleHub): “1984. episkopé ► Strong's Concordance episkopé: a visiting, an overseeing Original Word: ἐπισκοπή, ῆς, ἡ Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine Transliteration: episkopé Phonetic Spelling: (ep-is-kop-ay') Definition: a visiting, an overseeing Usage: (a) visitation (of judgment), (b) oversight, supervision, overseership.” And: “c. after the analogy of the Hebrew פְּקֻדָּה (Numbers 4:16; 1 Chronicles 24:19 (here the Sept. ἐπίσκεψις), etc.), oversight i. e. overseership, office, charge; Vulg.episcopatus: Acts 1:20, from Psalm 108:8 (); specifically, the office of a bishop (the overseer or presiding officer of a Christian church): 1 Timothy 3:1, and in ecclesiastical writings” “Strong's Exhaustive Concordance the office of a bishop. From episkeptomai; inspection (for relief); by implication, superintendence; specially, the Christian "episcopate" -- the office of a "bishop", bishoprick, visitation.” So the Apostles were bishops ordained by Christ as informed in the Book of Acts.

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@@hanmirz4803 quote---there was no protestantism for at least 1500 years after the establishment of Christianity... unquote Nope!! Christ protested the priests and pharisees!!! For their abuse of the Sabbath. ----quote---There was only Holy Apostolic Catholic Church... unquote So, what religion were these churches? -- 1 Cor 1:2 2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus ..... -- 2 Cor 1:2 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God in Corinth, ----Gal 1:2 2 and all the brothers and sisters with me, To the churches in Galatia: -----Eph 1:2 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To God’s holy people in Ephesus,[a] the faithful in Christ Jesus: ---- Phill 1:2 Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, To all God’s holy people in Christ Jesus at Philippi, together with the overseers and deacons[a]: --- Col 1:2 2 To God’s holy people in Colossae, the faithful brothers and sisters[a] in Christ: ---1 Thess 1:1 1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: ---2 Thess 1:1 1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: __They were ALL Christian!! Christ followers!!!! And, quote Book, chapter and verses of a church named "Holy Apostolic Catholic Church." FROM THE BIBLE!! FACTS: FIRST written mention of "Catholic" was in 110AD by Ignatius of Antioch!!! LONG after Jesus!!! >>>quote-- Be careful for hating the person our Lord love, especially His mother. .. unquote QUOTE the BIBLE of what will be done if we do not!! Book, chapter and verse!! ----quote--The Book of Luke clearly stated, “ All generations will call me blessed”. ... unquote So what?? So was Moses. Solomon. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, and many others!!!! ----quote---We have the fullness of truth... unquote Who's truth? The catholic church or Christ???

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@@kainosktisis777 in essence, Catholic means the Whole church???

[@cletustaqimama]

Protestants often claim that the Church that Jesus founded was the “Christian Church,” not the Catholic Church. The biblical evidence cited for this claim is found in the Acts of the Apostles: “So Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul; and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church, and taught a large company of people; and in Antioch the disciples were for the first time called Christians” (Acts 11:25-26). Many modern Christians then suppose that the Catholic Church was founded by mere men much later in Christian history. No doubt, disciples in the early Church became known as Christians. But does this mean that their Church was not the Catholic Church? A little historical study into the church at Antioch reveals that these early Christians’ church was, indeed, the Catholic Church.

[@drkKennedy]

The early church when it started had no name. Believers were just called people of the way, it was later called the Catholic Church which means a Universal Church. It was not called Roman Catholic Church. Even Orthodox Church was also Orthodox Catholic Church. The current Roman and orthodox Catholic denominations are a fusions of Christian practices and pagan practices which were fused in when Christianity was made an empirewide religion by Theodosius I in AD 380.

[@kainosktisis777]

@@drkKennedy Protestants have called Catholics Roman Catholics. Catholics in Rome can be called Roman Catholics because they are from Rome, but I prefer to be called a Latin Rite Catholic. There are various rites within the Catholic Church. Not all are Latin Rite. We’re not denominations. That’s a Protestant distinction. And, no, the Catholic Church isn’t a pagan fusion. That would be more correct for Calvinist-oriented Protestants though.

[@mitchellosmer1293]

So, what religion were these churches? -- 1 Cor 1:2 2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus ..... -- 2 Cor 1:2 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God in Corinth, ----Gal 1:2 2 and all the brothers and sisters with me, To the churches in Galatia: -----Eph 1:2 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To God’s holy people in Ephesus,[a] the faithful in Christ Jesus: ---- Phill 1:2 Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, To all God’s holy people in Christ Jesus at Philippi, together with the overseers and deacons[a]: --- Col 1:2 2 To God’s holy people in Colossae, the faithful brothers and sisters[a] in Christ: ---1 Thess 1:1 1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: ---2 Thess 1:1 1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: __They were ALL Christian!! Christ followers!!!! And, quote Book, chapter and verses of a church named "Holy Apostolic Catholic Church." FROM THE BIBLE!! ******FACT: FIRST written mention of "Catholic" was in 110AD by Ignatius of Antioch!!! LONG after Jesus!!! >> CHRISTIAN The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",? a Christian is an imitator of Christ - see Luke 4:16 and John 15:10. a Christian knows God - see 1 John 2:3 a Christian loves Christ - see John 14:15 a Christian walks in Truth - see 1 John 2:4 a Christian prepares for Heaven - see Rev 22:14 --Read these facts and tell whether Catholics are Christians. Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope. Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intecessor. Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead. Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship. Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest" Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@@drkKennedy Catholic name is an INVENTED name A lot of Catholics believe their name to be biblical. They allude certain verse coming from the Greek bible as proof that the the Catholic name is indeed biblical. Unfortunately, that is the point being driven by their catholic defenders which is erroneous sad to say. It is not really surprising that most catholics are taking it Hook, Line and Sinker. Kindly pardon such terms if your offended. But allow me to point out why I have said this. The the verse they use is: Act 9:31 Hai men oun e EKKLESIA KATH'OLES tes Ioudaias kai Galalaias kai Samarias. And KATH' OLES they would like impose that this term refers to the CATHOLIC name. Unfortunately for them, that translation when translated by other biblical scholars has NEVER been rendered nor referred to the Catholic name. What a Catholic authority rather attest is that the Catholic name is just an INVENTED NAME. The Church founded by Christ is here, for the first time, called the Catholic Church, a name clearly to denote the Church throughout the world in union with the see or diocese of Rome. It was stress the unity of the universal Church that St. Ignatius INVENTED THE NAME. (Roman Catholic, Rev. Edward Taylor, p.3) So its not really surprising that the Catholic name is NEVER found in the bible. whether it be a Catholic or Protestant translation. It is just unfortunate this is being used to fool the unwary soul if one just takes his mentor's word for it. If anyone here does not agree. then by all means do find an English translation referring to that verse and that the greek term to be the Catholic name. The greek term KATH'OLIS does not in anyway refer to the Catholic name. hence, several english translations of the same verse has never rendered it to refer to the Catholic name. For the Catholic name according to a catholic authority Rev. Edward Taylor said that the "Catholic" name was just an INVENTED NAME. No doubt about that. FACT: first time the name Catholic was written was by Ignatius of Antioch in 110AD!!! LONG AFTER Jesus!!! >>Let's read Acts 9:31--- Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 31 So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samar′ia had peace and was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit it was multiplied. READ THAT AGAIN!!! It mentions ONLY THREE countries!!!! What is the sentence about?? PEACE!!! NO mention of Greece, Spain, Italy, Rome or any other country!! How can you make "throughout all" mean universal when it mentions ONLY THREE countries in the same area?????

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@@kainosktisis777 Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope. Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intecessor. Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead. Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship. Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest" Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.

[@clarkkent5442]

just because the mustard seed grew into a bushel doesn't mean we have to carry around seeds to ensure we're not like the bushel. the bushel is what a mature seed looks like. the seed is an amazing thing and we should never forget the seed we came from, but we shouldn't kill the bushel to get back to the seed.

[@drkKennedy]

@@clarkkent5442 And your point is?

[@jarrahe]

​@drkKennedy Though I have grown, I am the same person at 100 years old as I was as a baby. In the same way, the Church is the same Church now, with the same DNA, as she was at Pentecost, although she has grown and learned, sinned and repented.

[@guywillson1549]

Passionate believer and follower of my Lord and saviour Jesus Christ.

[@drkKennedy]

Amen

[@hanmirz4803]

Yes, no doubt about it. The Holy Apostolic Catholic Church was the Church established by Jesus Christ Himself. Anything contrary to this is heresy. Viva Cristo Rey

[@drkKennedy]

Amen

[@ejimoforjulian5857]

I'm sorry my brother to bust your bubble. The Roman Catholic Church is not the first church. Remember ( Church - called out people) was first established by the Holy Spirit, and were first called CHRISTIANS at Antioch. But the Roman Catholic Church is the first ORGANIZED by MAN . Check the History of the early church and when Roman Catholicism came into being through political and government fiat by the Emperor Constantine after the slaughter of the TRUE believers , after the Nicea council in AD 325. Try reading THE BOOK OF MARTYRDOM OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH . YOU will have further enlightenment. God bless you

[@mitchellosmer1293]

quote-- The Holy Apostolic Catholic Church was the Church established by Jesus Christ Himself. Anything contrary to this is heresy. -unquote So, even the Holy Bible is heresy? So, what religion were these churches? -- 1 Cor 1:2 2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus ..... -- 2 Cor 1:2 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God in Corinth, ----Gal 1:2 2 and all the brothers and sisters with me, To the churches in Galatia: -----Eph 1:2 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To God’s holy people in Ephesus,[a] the faithful in Christ Jesus: ---- Phill 1:2 Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, To all God’s holy people in Christ Jesus at Philippi, together with the overseers and deacons[a]: --- Col 1:2 2 To God’s holy people in Colossae, the faithful brothers and sisters[a] in Christ: ---1 Thess 1:1 1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: ---2 Thess 1:1 1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: __They were ALL Christian!! Christ followers!!!! And, quote Book, chapter and verses of a church named "Holy Apostolic Catholic Church." FROM THE BIBLE!! FACTS: FIRST written mention of "Catholic" was in 110AD by Ignatius of Antioch!!! LONG after Jesus!!!

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@@drkKennedy So, what religion were these churches? -- 1 Cor 1:2 2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus ..... -- 2 Cor 1:2 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God in Corinth, ----Gal 1:2 2 and all the brothers and sisters with me, To the churches in Galatia: -----Eph 1:2 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To God’s holy people in Ephesus,[a] the faithful in Christ Jesus: ---- Phill 1:2 Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, To all God’s holy people in Christ Jesus at Philippi, together with the overseers and deacons[a]: --- Col 1:2 2 To God’s holy people in Colossae, the faithful brothers and sisters[a] in Christ: ---1 Thess 1:1 1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: ---2 Thess 1:1 1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: __They were ALL Christian!! Christ followers!!!! And, quote Book, chapter and verses of a church named "Holy Apostolic Catholic Church." FROM THE BIBLE!! FACTS: FIRST written mention of "Catholic" was in 110AD by Ignatius of Antioch!!! LONG after Jesus!!!

[@hanmirz4803]

@@mitchellosmer1293 , The Church preserved the Holy Bible for u. Enough said.

[@nicholasyoung9758]

The early Church was the Undivided Church, which included both East and West (and north and south)! The 4th century saw the Christological divisions.

[@drkKennedy]

I can agree with you more

[@wjm5972]

It is not a denomination , just the church

[@mitchellosmer1293]

quote--Christian Denominations: Is the Roman Catholic Church really the First Christian denomination?.. unquote If so, what religion were these churches? So, what religion were these churches? -- 1 Cor 1:2 2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus ..... -- 2 Cor 1:2 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God in Corinth, ----Gal 1:2 2 and all the brothers and sisters with me, To the churches in Galatia: -----Eph 1:2 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To God’s holy people in Ephesus,[a] the faithful in Christ Jesus: ---- Phill 1:2 Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, To all God’s holy people in Christ Jesus at Philippi, together with the overseers and deacons[a]: --- Col 1:2 2 To God’s holy people in Colossae, the faithful brothers and sisters[a] in Christ: ---1 Thess 1:1 1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: ---2 Thess 1:1 1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: __******They were ALL Christian!! Christ followers!!!! And, quote Book, chapter and verses of a church named "Holy Apostolic Catholic Church." FROM THE BIBLE!! FACTS: FIRST written mention of "Catholic" was in 110AD by Ignatius of Antioch!!! LONG after Jesus!!! Remember this: CHRISTIAN The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one", >>> A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ FOLLOWERS of the TEACHINGS of Christ~! And these : FACTS: Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope. Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intecessor. Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead. Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship. Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest" Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church. Any church that teaches otherwise--IS NOT a FOLLOWER of Christ!!!

[@drkKennedy]

Sorry for a late reply. These were not denominations but more congregations.

[@YuriBoechat-ef8ts]

The Catholic Church is that one established by Christ over the Apostles, not a denomination...

[@drkKennedy]

Very true

[@J-PLeigh8409]

We find Catholic & Orthodox teachings & practices in early Christianity, including the sacraments, ie, Baptism, & the Eucharist, & teachings of the Apostles, which we read not only in the sacred text but also in the extra biblical witness in the Didache & quotes of early saints & fathers of the holly faith. Most of all, & most important, the historical witness reveals the Church always had a Supreme Bishop, & its explicit in history that the Papacy/Supreme Bishop goes back to the 1st cent to today. Any former place of paganism would be transformed into Christian Churches for the glory of Christ. The Church has Authority(subservient to the scriptures) as is revealed in scripture, hence doctrine can develope. The Saints have always been honored & are not dead but alive, perfected in heaven in the presence of God. The Constantine card & pagan implementing assertion is imposed but a region, kingdom or nations culture will always be a part of the people to a degree but correct understanding of doctrine & Dogma is vital, which given the witness per quotes of the early saints & martyrs of the ancient holy faith, we find Apostolic Catholic Christendom, peace to you

[@drkKennedy]

kikikiki. Thank you for taking time to respond and comment on the video. I greatly appreciate your input.

[@J-PLeigh8409]

@@drkKennedy you gotta tell me what "kikiki" means. Also, your obvious a learned person, so what say you on the Supreme Bishop(s) of the early Church, that we read by early father's of the faith?

[@mitchellosmer1293]

quote---The Saints have always been honored & are not dead but alive, perfected in heaven in the presence of God... unquote FACTS: >>---Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun. ---Psalm 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of you; in Sheol who will give you praise? ---Psalm 146:4 When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his plans perish. ---Ecclesiastes 9:6 Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun. ---Genesis 3:19 By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.” ----James 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead. ---Job 14:10-12 But a man dies and is laid low; man breathes his last, and where is he? As waters fail from a lake and a river wastes away and dries up, so a man lies down and rises not again; till the heavens are no more he will not awake or be roused out of his sleep. --****John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. ---Hebrews 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment. (Judgement on Judgement day) ---Acts 7:60 And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep (died ---Revelation 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. -----Job 14:12 So a man lies down and rises not again; till the heavens are no more he will not awake or be roused out of his sleep. According to Catholics, God and the Gospels are liars !!!!

[@J-PLeigh8409]

@@mitchellosmer1293 Mark 12:27 But concerning the dead rising, have you not read about the burning bush in the Book of Moses, how God told him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!” Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered, "You are mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living." Luke 20:38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to Him all are alive You couldn't be more refuted, & by the sacred text alone, the very words of Christ... Btw, yall worship Ellen the heterodox witch & she's dead to you

[@J-PLeigh8409]

@@mitchellosmer1293 Mark 12:26-27 But concerning the dead rising, have you not read about the burning bush in the Book of Moses, how God told him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!” Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered, "You are mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living." Luke 20:38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to Him all are alive Explicit in the sacred text & per Christ himself, so as He said..."you are badly mistaken!"

[@kainosktisis777]

He makes the mistake of calling them denominations. From the beginning, there were no denominations. Denominations are a Protestant phenomenon - they arose about the 16th century. He needs to explain why in the Greek the Book of Acts we see the word “Catholic” there. Dogma is Scriptural. See Strong’s Concordance (BibleHub): “1378. dogma ► Strong's Concordance dogma: an opinion, (a public) decree Original Word: δόγμα, ατος, τό Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter Transliteration: dogma Phonetic Spelling: (dog'-mah) Definition: an opinion, (a public) decree Usage: a decree, edict, ordinance.” “Thayer's Greek Lexicon STRONGS NT 1378: δόγμα δόγμα, δογματος, τό (from δοκέω, and equivalent to τό δεδογμενον), an opinion, a judgment (Plato, others), doctrine, decree, ordinance; 1. of public decrees (as τῆς πόλεως, Plato, legg. 1, p. 644 d.; of the Roman Senate (Polybius 6, 13, 2); Herodian, 7, 10, 8 (5, Bekker edition)): of rulers, Luke 2:1; Acts 17:7; Hebrews 11:23 Lachmann (Theod. in Daniel 2:13; Daniel 3:10; Daniel 4:3; Daniel 6:13, etc. - where the Sept. uses other words). 2. of the rules and requirements of the law of Moses, 3Macc. 1:3; διατήρησις τῶν ἁγίων δογμάτων, Philo, alleg. legg. i., § 16; carrying a suggestion of severity, and of threatened punishment, τόν νόμον τῶν ἐντολῶν ἐν δογμασι, the law containing precepts in the form of decrees (A. V. the law of commandments contained in ordinances), Ephesians 2:15; τό καθ' ἡμῶν χειρόγραφον τοῖς δογμασι equivalent to τό τοῖς δογμασι (dative of instrument) by ὄν καθ' ἡμῶν, the bond against us by its decrees, Colossians 2:14; cf. Winers Grammar, § 31, 10 Note 1 (Buttmann, 92 (80); on both passages see Lightfoot on Colossians, the passage cited). 3. of certain decrees of the apostles relative to right living: Acts 16:4. (Of all the precepts of the Christian religion: βεβαιωθῆναι ἐν τοῖς δόγμασιν τοῦ κυρίου καί τῶν ἀποστόλων, Ignatius ad Magnes. 13, 1 [ET]; of the precepts (`sentences' or tenets) of philosophers, in the later secular writings: Cicero, acad. 2, 9, 27de suis decretis, quae philosophi vocant dogmata.) (On the use of the word in general, see Lightfoot as above; (cf. 'Teaching' etc. 11, 3 [ET]).)” 🤔

[@drkKennedy]

@@kainosktisis777 What you trying to communicate?

[@jarrahe]

​@@drkKennedy The Catholic Church is not a denomination; it is the denominator

[@UniversalistSon9]

Well the Armenian Orthodox was the first church legalized if I remember right

[@drkKennedy]

What was it legalized for?

[@sulongenjop7436]

Catholic Church started with small group and a few rituals. The first ritual is repentance, then baptism, and the most important ritual is the holy eucharist. The church that does not perform the holy eucharist is breaching the order of Jesus to do it in remembrance of him!

[@guywillson1549]

Eucharist simply means giving thanks but from the heart, not in ritual. I can give God thanks continually for saving me and delivering me from challenges in life in the progress of my life to do His will which is my delight. No ritual just straightforward honest thanksgiving to my wonderful Lord and Saviour. I am so grateful that I will always praise Him and give heartfelt thanks no matter how hard life is here on Earth.

[@sulongenjop7436]

@@guywillson1549 Agree with u but it is more than just thanksgiving. It is the Last Supper ritual practiced since Moses time. We shall not do away with this tradition...Jesus fullfilled it and to be done all the time until Jesus come again.

[@drkKennedy]

The question being discussed here is not about the Eucharist but the claim that the Roman Catholic is the First Christian Denomination.

[@drkKennedy]

Are you sure or that is just dogma?

[@sulongenjop7436]

@@drkKennedy Why not Catholic was first established with Peter as the head? Jesus wanted to build his church led by Peter!

[@thomaspaul2287]

None of these two denominations are really christian...the change is from emperor Constintine onwards together with the paganisation of Christian message thereafter. Good people had to rely on the consideration of God ('He did not consider the days of ignorance' - Acts 17:30) as there was no bible, no preaching of the Word and around them were only paganised ideas. So, Dr. K. be among the remnant group which is very small in number...

[@drkKennedy]

Thank you sir for your encouragement

[@anamericanfriend2367]

No, it is not. If so, explain the Eastern Orthodox Church, whose claim is essentially the same as the RC church. What we are forgetting is the corruption that has seeped into the Church, which I mean in the most generic sense of the term.

[@tiju4723]

Catholics and Orthodox were same until 10th century.

[@anamericanfriend2367]

@tiju4723 Then the RC argument doesn't hold. Nor can the claim be substantiated when God is giving revelation to Muslims throughout the Middle East. What denomination are they part of? The Apostle Paul talked about the Church as the Body of Christ, not these institutional edifices of either RC or EO. When Constantine made Christianity the state religion, we had a huge influx of the corrupt and politically ambitious. They weren't Christian. Now, we've come full circle to where Satan has ravaged the Christian west. His evil has permeated the western Church. I am not criticizing your RC. I am trying to warn believers. We are too busy arguing with each other instead of arguing for the faith.

[@drkKennedy]

Very true. I cannot agree with you more.

[@drkKennedy]

Exactly my point. But their differences between the east and the west started as early as the AD 130.

[@drkKennedy]

Exactly my point

[@vaderkurt7848]

Short answer. Yes Trying to deny this is historically inaccurate

[@drkKennedy]

Kindly provide the correct history, so that we can learn from it and be enlightened

[@ismaelhernandez134]

This is a red riding hood mythology, not history….

[@drkKennedy]

What do you mean? This information is based on historical, verifiable historical information.

[@guywillson1549]

I'm not in any denomination. I'm in Christ .

[@drkKennedy]

@@guywillson1549 But are you a Christian?

[@tiju4723]

But you are not in the church found by Jesus though.

[@loudsound1732]

*EVERY individual who declares himself a Christian and gives him/herself out to Christ is the First and Holy True Church*

[@drkKennedy]

Amen

[@mitchellosmer1293]

So, what religion were these churches? -- 1 Cor 1:2 2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus ..... -- 2 Cor 1:2 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God in Corinth, ----Gal 1:2 2 and all the brothers and sisters with me, To the churches in Galatia: -----Eph 1:2 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To God’s holy people in Ephesus,[a] the faithful in Christ Jesus: ---- Phill 1:2 Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, To all God’s holy people in Christ Jesus at Philippi, together with the overseers and deacons[a]: --- Col 1:2 2 To God’s holy people in Colossae, the faithful brothers and sisters[a] in Christ: ---1 Thess 1:1 1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: ---2 Thess 1:1 1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: __They were ALL Christian!! Christ followers!!!! And, quote Book, chapter and verses of a church named "Holy Apostolic Catholic Church." FROM THE BIBLE!! *****FACT: FIRST written mention of "Catholic" was in 110AD by Ignatius of Antioch!!! LONG after Jesus!!!

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@@drkKennedy So, what religion were these churches? -- 1 Cor 1:2 2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus ..... -- 2 Cor 1:2 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God in Corinth, ----Gal 1:2 2 and all the brothers and sisters with me, To the churches in Galatia: -----Eph 1:2 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To God’s holy people in Ephesus,[a] the faithful in Christ Jesus: ---- Phill 1:2 Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, To all God’s holy people in Christ Jesus at Philippi, together with the overseers and deacons[a]: --- Col 1:2 2 To God’s holy people in Colossae, the faithful brothers and sisters[a] in Christ: ---1 Thess 1:1 1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: ---2 Thess 1:1 1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: __They were ALL Christian!! Christ followers!!!! And, quote Book, chapter and verses of a church named "Holy Apostolic Catholic Church." FROM THE BIBLE!! FACTS: FIRST written mention of "Catholic" was in 110AD by Ignatius of Antioch!!! LONG after Jesus!!!

[@Gus_the_Sage]

Both churches are the first Christian denomination because they were once under the leadership of Simon Peter as their Pope and Leader.

[@drkKennedy]

@@Gus_the_Sage Interesting view

[@jarrahe]

The Catholic Church is not a denomination; it is the denominator

[@mitchellosmer1293]

quote---Both churches are the first Christian denomination because they were once under the leadership of Simon Peter as their Pope and Leader... unquote All a worthless opinion with NO facts!!! NO scripture!! FACTS:When was the first church in Rome built? Built as early as AD 280, Santa Susana is considered the oldest church in Rome. For a Cistercian sisters' monastery established on the property in 1587 that is still there, the present church was reconstructed from 1585 to 1603. >>>>Since that was the FIRST Catholic church built on Rome, HOW COULD Peter be the first Pope of the Catholic church in Rome??? >>>>So, what religion were these churches? -- 1 Cor 1:2 2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus ..... -- 2 Cor 1:2 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God in Corinth, ----Gal 1:2 2 and all the brothers and sisters with me, To the churches in Galatia: -----Eph 1:2 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To God’s holy people in Ephesus,[a] the faithful in Christ Jesus: ---- Phill 1:2 Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, To all God’s holy people in Christ Jesus at Philippi, together with the overseers and deacons[a]: --- Col 1:2 2 To God’s holy people in Colossae, the faithful brothers and sisters[a] in Christ: ---1 Thess 1:1 1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: ---2 Thess 1:1 1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: __They were ALL Christian!! Christ followers!!!! And, quote Book, chapter and verses of a church named "Holy Apostolic Catholic Church." FROM THE BIBLE!! FACTS: FIRST written mention of "Catholic" was in 110AD by Ignatius of Antioch!!! LONG after Jesus!!! >>>>CHRISTIAN The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",? a Christian is an imitator of Christ - see Luke 4:16 and John 15:10. a Christian knows God - see 1 John 2:3 a Christian loves Christ - see John 14:15 a Christian walks in Truth - see 1 John 2:4 a Christian prepares for Heaven - see Rev 22:14 >>>>FACTS: Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope. Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intecessor. Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead. Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship. Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest" Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.

[@victorsanchez5336]

​@@drkKennedy Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church laughing at your lying tongue. .

[@kainosktisis777]

He makes the mistake of calling them denominations. From the beginning, there were no denominations. Denominations are a Protestant phenomenon - they arose about the 16th century. He needs to explain why in the Greek the Book of Acts we see the word “Catholic” there.

[@drkKennedy]

Catholic just means universal. It does not mean the Roman Catholic Church. Even it does, does the current Roman Catholic church look anything like the early church?

[@kainosktisis777]

@@drkKennedy It has what Scripture informs on. Yes, it means “universal” - to distinguish it from heretical sects that had arisen. That which is orthodox remains so.

[@Lucas-jy7cv]

​@@drkKennedynothing looks like it did then. Most people don't feel the need for worship. The only churches that worship have a clear line of succession are the Catholic churches. Eastern or western or Orthodox

[@tony1685]

can you show us where the 1st day was deemed to replace the 7th day Sabbath -- making Christ a liar in Luke 16:17 ? can you show us where it's supported we pray to other humans? how about dead ones like 'Hail Mary' ? can you show us 3rd party sin forgiveness done by another sinner? we both know you can't. catholicism is not only far from the original Christianity -- it's not even Christianity at a basic level.

[@kainosktisis777]

@@tony1685 Was Jesus talking to dead people at the Transgiguration? Are we not to follow His model? How about when His observance of the Sabbath brought out the ire of the religious leaders for working? The Hail Mary is a prayer to the Blessed Virgin who is clearly alive as indicated in Rev 12. The prayer is based on Lk 1. In Rev 5:8, the elders in heaven lift up the prayers of the saints as incense before the altar of God. Was Abraham dead when Jesus said that Father Abraham saw His day & was glad? Was Abraham dead when he responded to the rich man’s plea for water to cool his tongue from agony he experienced? Do you believe in typology - that things in the Old Covenant prefigure the better fulfillment in the New Covenant? John’s Gospel began similarly to Genesis with “In the beginning…” The words hearkened back to the Creation story, & it would’ve clued the Early Christians of his day that in Christ a new creation had taken place. In Genesis you have the 7 days of creation: in the Gospel of St John a similar pattern of days unfolds in the opening of the Gospel. God the Son took on flesh that He might unite His divinity to our humanity, blessing it, & restoring that which was lost in the Garden. With His resurrection, He showed us a new life. He as the New Adam & his mother, the Blessed Virgin as the New Eve & new life in Him. He had conquered death, & with His rising on the 3rd day, a new day - the Lord’s Day in honor of His resurrection. Ask yourself what does it mean that Christ fulfilled the Old Covenant? Was the aim of His resurrection to bring us back to the Old Law or to the Garden since the Scriptures begin in the Garden & in Revelation we return to it? Please explain what you mean by 3rd party sin forgiveness. How would you know what Early Christianity was like since your sect didn’t arisen til the 19th century? You cannot claim to be the historical church anachronistically nor to even have any understanding of it while taking cues more than 1500 years after the fact & claim that’s how it was. The further back in history you go, you cease to see Protestantism.

[@albertd.6179]

The early Church founded by Jesus on Peter never came to an end. If it did, then Jesus would be proved a liar. Sorry.

[@drkKennedy]

the early church came to an end but the church did not end. The early church just speaks of believers in the first three centuries.

[@albertd.6179]

Christianisation of pagan culture was necessary and desirable. We should distinguish between faith and culture. Christian faith has no culture of its own, so wherever it spreads, it has to take root in the local cultures without compromising the faith. Even if some Christian festivals have their cultural roots in paganism, we do not celebrate pagan festivals but Christian festivals. For example, in Christmas we celebrate the birth of Jesus and not some other pagan god. Easter celebrates the resurrection of Jesus and not that of some other pagan god. It is wrong to demonise pagan cultures lock, stock and barrel.

[@mitchellosmer1293]

quote--- For example, in Christmas we celebrate the birth of Jesus and not some other pagan god.,, unquote Wrong. According to "experts" Jesus died April 6th. AD 33. His ministry to be 3.5 years. Counting back from April 6---makes it October 6th. That is when He was born!!! -----quote----Easter celebrates the resurrection of Jesus and not that of some other pagan god.--unquote Nope--it is a pagan holy day--- Originally called Passover---- Pashal in Hebrew. Where is he command to celebrate His resurrection???

[@drkKennedy]

Thank you taking time to respond to the video. I value your input and feedback even if I might not agree with you or you with me.

[@albertd.6179]

@@drkKennedy Thank you.

[@albertd.6179]

@@mitchellosmer1293 Historically you may be right about the date of Jesus' birth and death. Who knows one day we may celebrate the birth of Jesus in October instead of December. Personally when we celebrate does not matter, what matters is why we celebrate.

[@jarrahe]

The Roman Catholic Church is the one true Church founded by our Lord Jesus Christ on Peter and the Apostles and "the gates of hell shall not prevail upon the Church" ✝️

[@mitchellosmer1293]

quote----The Roman Catholic Church is the one true Church founded by our Lord Jesus Christ on Peter and the Apostles and "the gates of hell shall not prevail upon the Church".. unquote THAT Is a worthless OPINION!! NO FACTS!! NO scripture!!! Catholic IS NEVER mention in the bible , much less One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. FACT: FIRST time Catholic is written down is by Ignatius of Antioch in 110AD!! LONG AFTER Christ!!

[@jarrahe]

@mitchellosmer1293 Matthew 16:18-19. Regardless, the Church existed before your Bible and she gave you your Bible. Jesus Christ founded the "CHURCH of the living God [to be] the pillar and foundation of the truth." It is an undeniable fact of history, follow the Spirit of Truth, friend, not the father of lies

[@drkKennedy]

What is the basis of your statement?

[@drkKennedy]

which church are you referring to my friend

[@jarrahe]

@@drkKennedy Roman Catholicism, the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, which is the College of Bishops in Communion with the Holy See of St Peter, who practices the original Christian faith taught by the Apostles and their successors and preserved infallibly through Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition as authentically interpreted through the Magisterium of the Church. The Church. "...the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15).

[@guywillson1549]

He's coming back soon and we'll just see about that. Maybe you will be disappointed.​@jarrahe

[@drkKennedy]

Indeed we will so, the only problem that will be too late for any us who will be found on a wrong side of Jesus