Magic Player Doesn't Understand NEW Yu-Gi-Oh! Cards! ft. @covertgoblue

[@Manualzion]

Giving someone new to YGO a look at Dragoon is the closest thing we will ever get to going back in time and forcefeeding ultraprocessed sugar foods to medieval serfs

[@coolbugfacts3953]

truly the baskin robins oreo milkshake of cards

[@theoroderick782]

Lmao idk what that means at the end but I like your poetic reasoning😂😂

[@friskydrinklunkybank1108]

Perfect analogy

[@wannes9125]

​@@theoroderick782 imagine you're a medieval peasant and the highlight of your month is when you have fresh bread, and we're talking medieval bread without all the extra sugar. Now imagine some dude just shows up and gives you a bunch of fresh donuts and pastries and stuff That's what he means

[@theoroderick782]

@wannes9125 ah lol Makes sense now I got you

[@semisolaire5866]

There is a cost/negative for kashtira fenrir. It's that im going to kick you in the shin every time it resolves

[@WangerZ3291]

I thought that applied to all cards that players hate...not just fenrir

[@semisolaire5866]

@WangerZ3291 that's true. This is the standard cost associated with cards that seem to be to strong with no downsides

[@WangerZ3291]

@semisolaire5866 interesting, and I stopped playing yugioh master duel because I really want to kick my opponents' shin, but can't because idk where they are in the world to resolve this unwritten effect

[@TheADHDM]

Is that why my shangr-lra playset came with shin guards?

[@MagiRemmie]

As a Kashtira player, my shins are made of steel from all the training.

[@ak47dragunov]

Despite getting the questions "wrong", CGB's evaluation of all of these cards was almost 100% dead-on the money

[@silviopaolo7282]

And was losing his sanity along the way

[@netweed09]

Yeah, I actually find the ''doesn't Understand the Cards'' title a bit , a bit meh lol. It's actually interesting and intriguing listening to many of his thought Processes. Maybe the thing is , YugiOh 2 is just a little overbearing for most , he should just go with a de Facto default instinct to just call his votes to what the Format wants , ''everything's busted so everything except those Extra deck busted Cards he won't know about , are at 3''

[@jeremiahbell6129]

Yeah, the ban list requires a lot more context than these videos can provide. I would say that guessing current banned cards is a super challenging task.

[@shen.daniel]

HIs crossout evaluation (except the banish my own stuff part) was absolutely spot on. HE has the soul read

[@netweed09]

@@silviopaolo7282 😄

[@prakajr2]

Honestly, we've been in "Yugioh 3" for a while now. We've crossed "Yugioh 2" a while ago.

[@Gbeat-]

When would that be, Pendulums or Links?

[@Rain593]

We are in like YGO 5 imo

[@Zombiekilleryamato]

I would say that synchros is the start for yugioh 2 is for me or when extra deck monster became more important that main deck monster 3 is link/extra monster zone

[@christopherb501]

It's a wonder NFT freaks didn't try to co-opt in like they tried with MtG...

[@prakajr2]

​@Gbeat- I would agree to that. Pen and Link changed the landscape of the whole game overnight. It made whole archetypes irrelevant and sped the game up so much.

[@dreambooktcg]

CGB: "Isn't this just a stupid card?" Kashtira Fenrir: "Yes"

[@drtisk]

It's a better cyber dragon, plus gadget, plus mini BLS lol

[@DonSunsetAtDawn]

Ok, Farfa

[@TheArtikae]

me: mentally converts it to a hearthstone card ahh, yes. 0 mana 9/9; get your other copy when you play it.

[@PorrateoIntenso]

CGB: *ranting about Fenrir* Me: "When did Farfa get here?"

[@rifarira9160]

wwell, we never seen them in the same room, soo....

[@Teddyponsel2626]

red eyes dark dragoon vs blackwing full armor master, lorewise, who will win?

[@caffeine3845]

Nah, Farfa hates Unicorn more

[@peterusmc20]

Ngl CGB's analysis was spot on this episode just didnt necessarily convert to whether the card was banned or not.

[@Teddyponsel2626]

red eyes dark dragoon vs blackwing full armor master, lorewise, who will win?

[@MasterQuestMaster]

Cimo: We’re looking at new cards. Also Cimo: shows one of the oldest cards ever (Raigeki)

[@ultraman6644]

TBF he said cards that do or would see play today. Obviously the title is a bit more clickable

[@66Roses]

In a sense, though, Raigeki may have been one of the first cards ever printed, but you couldn't actually play it until recently.

[@TrueCyprien]

​@@66Roses​ "recently". It's been unbanned for 10 years now, almost as long as it was banned before. And it was also playable the first few years of the game as there were no bans in traditional, only limits.

[@_Sinduss]

Also if he sees the same cards we do it did say 1996 on the bottom and the artwork looks old.

[@SDREHXC]

@@TrueCyprienpeople don’t realize that generic board breaking staples really aren’t that strong on their own anymore, especially if they target or destroy.

[@TheRJB0]

Honestly this should be titled "Huh Magic Players Understand New Yugioh Cards Pretty Well I Guess". CGB nailed most of his evaluation, and he almost perfectly described what happened with Crossout.

[@nigerianprinceajani]

2121

[@dcscorch969]

honestly agreed with cgbs evolutions more than cimo sometimes. Playing crossout isnt a sign of skill you just do it when you have a shit ton of non engine space which is something cgb has no way to conceptualize Evenly matched is an even better example of where cgb nailed how its a noob killer but stopped getting played when people started to prepare for it, although it shouldnt surprise me that cimo thinks its insane thinking about where he spent the starlight ticket editing just got to the tactics part and he identified that anti hand trap design pushed them to make dominus impulse he's so fucking good

[@naqib_2365]

​@@dcscorch969CGB very quickly developed a high level understanding of how Yu-Gi-Oh works. I wonder if it reminds him of very late stage control v combo matches in magic

[@NeostormXLMAX]

@@dcscorch969cimo has always been a self rightous idiot, i dont get why some one like him is interviewing magic players and not some one like josh or capital g

[@drewbabe]

agreed but clickbait is the name of the game...

[@Stalutes64]

Looking forward to when you will show him a tearlament mirror and we will get to see him have a dissociative episode

[@firefliesowlcity12]

I want this more than anything.

[@GuyWithBeardButNoMoustache]

buddy I'm a yugioh player that came back recently and I'm astonished by the tearlaments.... my friend said that I didn't see them at their peak, I was astonished, he whopped the floor with me using them, so I went to older formats, and ohhh boyyyy!!!! I quit during the salamngreat release!! how did we come this far ffs in such a small time!

[@haku8135]

I'm still waiting for Pendulums. I'm hoping the first Pendulum he shows Cimo is D/D/D/D Super-Dimensional Sovereign Emperor Zero Paradox...... Am I a bad person?

[@sebastianl4135]

I’ve watched CGB play Commander. As long as he goes in with a good enough understanding of the rules (around chain links, special summoning mechanic and the parts of the battle phase), I don’t think Tearlaments as a deck can break his brain. In fact I think he could pilot it exceptionally well if he learned to play.

[@TheRedGauntlet]

Im sure CGB has experience with Dredge so i don't think it will be that big of a shock

[@SackofDooDoo]

1:08:06 Translated in MTG for you, CGB: Indestructible, Hexproof Discard 1 card: counter target spell/ability, then destroy the source, if it was a permanent and this card gets 2 +1/+1 counters. 0: Destroy target creature an opponent controls, then Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon deals damage to that creature's controller equal to its power. You can only activate this twice per turn and only as a sorcery.

[@HeWhoHungers]

That's Shroud, not hexproof. You also missed out the "if you do" clause in the second activated ability (first on the Yugioh card), which is as relevant in Magic as it probably is in Yugioh, something along the likes of "When that creature is destroyed this way". I'm also not sure I'd word the other ability as an activated one, since you can only use it in response to an opponent's spell or ability. Either way, the once per turn should be reflected in it. Something like "When an opponent casts a spell or activates an activated ability, you may discard a card. If you do, counter that spell or ability. If an activated ability of a permanent that player controls is countered this way, destroy that permanent. When a permanent is destroyed this way, put X +1/+1 counters on Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon. This ability triggers only once each turn." I also don't know if the second ability on the Yugioh card lets you destroy a card in the opponent's hand or deck? If so, that should also be reflected in the MTG effect, something like "If an activated ability of a card in that player's hand is countered this way, that player reveals his or her hand (reasonable in MTG since hand is a hidden zone) and discards a card with that name.". I don't know what the matching effect would be from a card in their library but it probably involves a lot of fluff.

[@DerekS-kq3zh]

18:33 the despair on CGB's face when he realized he'd only learned half of the summoning mechanics in YGO...priceless

[@Unicron187]

🤣🤣🤣 so true...

[@Ilovejimmydeansamich]

and the card doesn't even mention links lol 😭

[@murderofcrows5089]

It’s going to be fun to see him trying to understand like XYZ cards

[@remixtheidiot5771]

we need pendulum summoning.

[@DeusIzanagi]

And Link isn't even listed on there

[@XionDarkblood13]

You should do a “boss monster” video. Things like qliphort towers, master peace etc… show off the payoff and big Timmy moments

[@sapphiredraggytheflygon8521]

Agreed

[@butterspike680]

This is a really fun idea

[@sebastiangreve2960]

I would give the point for Raigeki. The whole video is about the powerlevel today.

[@BobFauci]

Pretty much this. As someone who doesn't care about MTG and is here for Cimo, it wasn't fair. The entire video was prefaced with it being new cards and 'Yugioh 2'. So with Raigeki he assumed it was a modern release card, not one of the very first cards ever printed. And for modern standards, he evaluated it correctly. It feels scummy to then go 'Well, we were only talking Yugioh 2 but this was banned in Yugioh 1.'

[@NandoTecua]

Shhhh everyone. My Telenovela has just started

[@novakrabby]

Modern yugioh cards sound like foreign language to me so it is just like a mexican telenovela, can't understand them but the characters are going through many emotions every minute

[@Edge-xy3fv]

Im hoping my favorite card señor krystia marries CGB and dumps cimoo after he cheated on him with dark magician.

[@friskydrinklunkybank1108]

Guilty pleasure 100%

[@ShayTheValiant]

*Telenovela.

[@mixalis295]

Underrated comment

[@f.b.iagent3971]

34:04 oh no, as a viewer of your channel, you absolutely cheated him out of a point here, it’s an old card, sure, but it’s fine in the modern meta, he was evaluating this through the lens of it being a modern card, so docking him the point because it was banned before is unfair

[@fernandobanda5734]

Agreed

[@butterspike680]

Our bro CGB got ROBBED with that one 😭

[@IrvineTheHunter]

He went through great lengths in the preamble to detail "PLAYED in modern, I suspected something like this from the start and the new standard banned at ANY time, war reiterated to point out that an old alright card could appear and be previously banned.

[@wierdtromebonekid]

Cino gets an automatic DQ for not disclosing the age of raigecki

[@johnnickfanaccount3492]

Kind of nuts how accurate all of his descriptions were. Even if he was wrong on whether they were banned or not, his explanation of their use case and what happens with them is spot on

[@fnaz96]

27:01 the probable main reason d barrier isnt banned is it didnt hit links

[@Henrex2000]

you can always make I:P instead

[@llAlukall]

I love the fact that its art features these two classic warriors. I'm a bit sad I can't recall those cards' names.

[@AntCommando]

​@@llAlukallFreed The Matchless General, Marauding Captain and Gagagigo The Risen

[@ManofSteel4889]

@@AntCommandoahhhhh Freed. I remember running The Brave Wanderer back in 2005

[@randomgenretalk8151]

Well there is another D- Barrier that hits links but is kinda fairer.

[@laggalot1012]

Nah, CGB got the Raigeki point. If you're gonna hone in on the modern years and claim you're gonna show new(er) cards and then proceed not to disclose Raigeki being from the very first set, that's not his fault. His evaluation was pretty good. Honestly, hearing CGB evaluate Evenly Matched, I'm genuinely impressed at how quickly he understood a lot of the modern dynamic after seeing Kashtira Fenrir alone. Cards like Raigeki and Evenly Matched read pretty absurd in virtually any other context, but he just seems to get it.

[@darkwolf9637]

We should show him a pre banlist snake eye combo starting with only snash in hand so he can see just how much a single card can do

[@bvc5320]

Follow up with a mathmech circular with 1-2 extenders...

[@kylepinpin3037]

Fucking Tenpai Chundra extending into an OTK

[@jmurray1110]

Plant pile

[@Drae-909]

Have you ever showed him Linear Equation Cannon? I would love to see him try to decipher the effect.

[@chrisb.2028]

There's been so many guests I forgot who got spoiled about lec, if it was him then it wouldn't be that interesting.

[@Tsumekia]

@@chrisb.2028 I am 99.9% sure it was LSV that got spoiled, and I believe Rarran got to see that card in some other collab. So I think CGB is someone we could still get that reaction out of.

[@caffeine3845]

This i wanna see

[@tcoren1]

Eventually you should show him runicks, I feel like he would like the deck, the idea of controlling the game with these 1 for 1 interactions and then drawing more cards every turn Who am I kidding he would play runick stun

[@remixtheidiot5771]

he will enjoy the one bad day variant.

[@tcoren1]

@@remixtheidiot5771 tip search fountain, activate set 3, pass turn draw phase activate TCBOO rivalry ASF

[@Kasaaz]

Do you think he would like Labyrinth? I'm less familiar with the game.

[@tcoren1]

@@Kasaaz maybe? I feel like he would like lovely as a card, at least

[@chrisb.2028]

​@@Kasaazhe would need to see the plethora of generic traps to decide, labrynth itself isn't particularly versatile to do anything but to turbo lady/lovely out, the selling point is the rest of traps it can use that slowly but surely overwhelm the oponent in different ways.

[@stubenhockershr1161]

Cimo gets -1 Point for the Raigeki

[@Sinzari]

Showing him the card is fine, because it does see play in "Yugioh 2", but not telling him it's an old card was criminal.

[@Begeru]

@@Sinzariyea that seemed like an odd choice by Cimo

[@exantiuse497]

Cimo has this nasty tendency of misleading/not giving sufficient information to his "guests". Rarran and CGB treat these videos like a fun game you play with friends to have fun, while Cimo treats them like it's a competition where he needs to "win", and it's kinda offputting tbh

[@An_Entire_Lime]

​@@exantiuse497 I don't see it, I think he just really likes these "gotcha" moments, that doesn't really make it better, but its something

[@bretday2419]

​@@Sinzari He did clarify that it was one of the first cards printed. I assume he waited until a video discussing modern Yu-Gi-Oh to bring it up because Raigeki spent the bulk of its existence banned from competitive play, only coming off the list in recent years. Raigeki doesn't tell CGB anything about 2005 Yu-Gi-Oh.

[@FirekingBarong]

Bystial Druisworm: 5 mana 5/5 wich reads: You can exile a black or white creature from either players graveyard instead of paying its mana cost. This ability has Flash aslong as your opponent controles a creature. When this creatures leaves the battlefield, target 1 creature who entered the battlefield without paying its original mana cost (special summoned monsters), send it to the graveyard without triggering leaving the battlefield triggers. (Since Druisworm sends and doesnt destroy in ygo, it goes around; if destruction effects, so it should in mtg too.)

[@hackspazygamer]

It doesn't get around sent to gy effects. Also most of the monsters in the game are special summoned anyway.

[@FirekingBarong]

@@hackspazygamer Reading comprehension. There is a reason why i specifically said around if destruction.. But hey, tommorrow is a school day, maybe we can fix stuff ^^

[@charlesleitz7549]

Playable but not broken, I think, right? (as basically a weird delve monster + pretty questionable tech against reanimator)

[@FirekingBarong]

@@charlesleitz7549 This would be an answer to reanimator and mana cheating decks ye, because even casting stuff for 1 less isnt paying the original cost anymore. Something a solid black sidedeck would want for almost every tournament ^^

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

People who aren't familiar with MtG shouldn't try to convert Yugioh cards into Magic cards.

[@maddamame]

Today i was petting my cat on my bed. Then suddenly a thought occurred to me:How good would it be to draw two right now?

[@drewbabe]

+1 in cat advantage

[@briant1784]

35:30 @CGB caught your "magic brain" in the act here. Yu-Gi-Oh doesnt have "fail to find" you MUST find something. you were to take a game action that can't be completed (like pulling a specific card from your deck, but its not in your deck) you just cant do it. You have to see the future to see if your play would be legal. If you fail to find in tourney Yu-Gi-Oh you can be issued a proceedure warning.

[@gbpakgirl26]

Except Cross Fields or whatever that one card that says lose 2000 LP if you don’t resolve it

[@cd7677]

@@gbpakgirl26 i see you, person who follows Rata on twitter

[@iamfunnyface]

Aren't there Pot cards that banish from deck face down? Can you fail to find if all the legal cards are gone?

[@12thLevelSithLord]

​@@iamfunnyfaceYou still get hit for those. The cards may be banished face down, but you can still look at their front side. Them being facedown makes it so the game and other cards can't see what they are, but you as a player still can, if that makes sense. Similar to how a set monster or spell/trap has no defined stats the game and effects can see, but you as a player can still look at your own set cards.

[@karma5390]

1. You activate a search card. 2. I chain a runick spell and banish 3 off the top, including your last name. 3. Your deck now has no legal search targets. 4. Your search card "fails to find", or "fizzles", or resolves without effect.

[@bbdman11]

"You have no friends when you're this freaking elite!" is a goated line from CGB

[@k-dawgHI]

This might be the video I anticipated the most. Seeing one of the guests actually get a glimpse into modern YuGiOh.

[@GABRIEL-0702]

i discovered this channel while researching about my deck, i binged this series in a day . gotta say Cgb is hilarious with his realizations

[@Prismadoll]

1:06:17 "We don't have to cheat them out, we just play them" Cimo forgetting cards like Verte Anaconda literally ARE cheating this guy out 😂

[@ahmadazem4167]

to be fair if everyone cheats everything out then is it really cheating it out

[@hopelesswombat2412]

I mean he did mention Verte just not by name. He also avoided talking about Links during the D Barrier discussion as well. GOTTA KEEP THE CONTENT IN THE BACK POCKET!

[@ChaoticMeatballTV]

Hilarious the trudging up of Modern Warfare 2 memories. I was always a UMP-45 player and that game was busted to heck and back. I remember there being some area you could clip out of bounds and camp with a sniper from such a high vantage point that you were always winning if you pulled it off, and Rust was just so utterly small you couldn't go 5 seconds without either killing or being killed. Good times.

[@jimberjamber8540]

I remember one time I joined a modded lobby and everyone was super sonic racing around with infinite ammo. I had a great time, until the game ended and all my game files got wiped lol. Good ol' PS3 days.

[@zanpakutoman4225]

I remember so many games on Rust where everyone was just shooting off Noob-Tubes all over the place. I miss running around Favela with a tact knife and lunging at people with COMMANDOOOOOOO.....pro.

[@crimson7tew]

The memories camping in the middle freight with shot guns martyrdom. Just throw a damn grenade you’re get a kill. Spawning into the game and immediately dying, good times.

[@exantiuse497]

The notion that "everything was broken so nothing was broken" is not true though. Some things were way more broken than others (Stopping Power was essentially the only tier 2 perk you could run, same with Command in tier 3) and some (looking at Model 1887) even got nerfed (at a time when nerfing things in games was super uncommon). It felt "balanced" because we were kids/teenagers back then and nobody played competitively, if they brought that game back a meta would form instantly and only a handful of kits would be viable

[@crimson7tew]

@@exantiuse497 the ump with silencer and all the stealth perks on with the tact insert took me far in many games and it wasn’t no where near meta. Call of duty’s haven’t been the same sense though

[@Zetact_]

A major reason why Dimensional Barrier never got banned is because a year after it released the entire meta shifted into Links, the one mechanic it doesn't stop. In fact, I seem to recall that people were fully aware about Link mechanics when Dimensional Barrier was announced for the OCG. Not only was it not as effective in the meta, it also would act as an incentive to start buying new Link decks (as if the power creep wasn't enough). Similar to Dragoon, which facilitated a card being made SPECIFICALLY to counter it in the OCG, which in the TCG was printed BEFORE it.

[@GodzillaFreak]

That doesn't make any sense because Dimensional Barrier came out in a core set not a side set so it matches everything else on the timeline. If anything we would've known more about links by the time we got it.

[@JeanneDGames]

We'd also recently come off of TWO different meta decks not using the ED at all (Nekroz and Monarchs) so adoption was a bit slower due to paranoia that over-use would just bring those decks back.

[@NewtBannner]

I’m a “Cimo” guy and you totally screwed him with Rageki, he gets the point … Cimo not following his own rules… classic

[@Unicron187]

finally another episode of the dingus egg guy feat. the mesa falcon dude ^^ edit: as "cimo playing mtg" is obviously in the makings - so to say - i would also love to see cgb playing ygo some day... even if he says otherwise at the end...

[@yamsSMP]

They should play Edison imo. If they do modern CGB has to play runick tho

[@galindoof]

"They never ban the new ones" - CGB. Who wants to break it to him?

[@FirekingBarong]

Snake Eyes lived way to long, that shouldve got hit after seeing the 2nd ycs, however it stayed and stayed and stayed. New cards dont get banned, they get banned if they arent new enough anymore, so the actual new stuff can be untouchable now ^^

[@shadowfan115]

​@@FirekingBaronglet's not forget a fiendSmith card got banned and the tempai field was limited to 1

[@FirekingBarong]

@@shadowfan115 Would you call both of these as "the new cards" tho? We need to go from ocg releases since over there its even worse of a game environment and you cant exclude the bigger playerbase. Tenpai 1st release was april and fiendsmith july, both didnt get touched 2 months after release. Wich would be the time to ban what i call new cards, cards who saw maybe 1 or 2 ycs and then get instant banned.

[@zander2758]

​@@shadowfan115 yeah and then they didn't touch the fiendsmith cards other than that, also guess what? Part of the reason tenpai was popular is that it was cheaper than the alternatives, so they hitting it is more or less "buy more product" :).

[@shadowfan115]

@@FirekingBarong bro cimo was using the TCG banlist so TCG release dates apply but whatever

[@moonjelly5]

As a Ghoti player, I was smiling when CGB postulated using Crossout on your own cards. That is a playstarter for the fish deck.

[@falcoegl]

I'm sure it's been mentioned, but I would love to see a video showing the other person old Yu-Gi-Oh cards that were terribly written (like Graverobber, Necrovalley, Waboku, etc.) and have them try to decipher them.

[@brianhalligan9268]

Old school Necrovalley might give a non Yugioh player a hemorrhage cause it still makes my brain hurt playing older formats

[@tonyw-t9l]

Dark World Snoww lmao

[@buttonasas]

@@brianhalligan9268 Wait, I'm reading it and... they turned "Graveyard" into "GY" _that_ recently? Why?!

[@danielkaragic7057]

CGB really grew on me. Mainly because he remembers cards and what they do- so he really thinks these things through But i think we need to see him watching a duel to really connect

[@iSearchYoutube]

The fact he brought back the Kaiju lesson for Dragoons evaluation made my mind explode, I was so tremendously happy and impressed with him. Especiallly since earlier on in the episode he clearly didnt remember some cards seen before

[@yugdaBretsiM]

These vids are great on both channels because it’s just two dudes who are really knowledgeable about how card games work critiquing each other’s formats. Even when the “wrong” answer is given there’s usually the correct line of logic to get there. I think out of the whole series there’s only been a few cases where either participant was tragically off base with their reasoning.

[@IzzRei]

Yugi-boomer here. This type of content really helps me get up to speed on newer relevant cards. Going 1 by 1, over the context and history just makes this game so much more approachable. All these vids going over individual cards is super fun and informative. Thank you

[@pantheong1455]

I’m in the same boat actually, I’m still relatively young so I never really got into the deep end of Yu-gi-oh but the game I remember was much more tame and it’s a really cool experience that is making the unfathomable state of the game make more sense

[@WesleyImboden]

I remember running into like 7 Kashtira decks in a row on my masochist account and literally had no answer 😂

[@TheADHDM]

Best you can hope for is to lead with an out of pocket card from a random archetype that they play into lmao it's not even worth it

[@I.Re-em]

omg the pope of saint James is also a card gamer!​@@TheADHDM

[@jaeusa160]

@7:30 CGB doesn't remember Magic's "absolutely-removed-from-the-freaking-game-forever zone"

[@ShadowReignhart]

I mean... Who really wants to remember cards from an Un-set that generally can't be played outside of the set?

[@jaeusa160]

@@ShadowReignhart People who like fun and maybe want to share some cards for weirdness and flavor rather than only cold meta analysis?

[@Suninrags]

​@jaeusa160 he shared chaos orb. I think he is perfectly fine with goofy cards😅

[@Sinzari]

Do you have an example of such a card? I love un sets

[@kwagmeijer26]

@@Suninrags Now I want CGB to do an episode where the other person has to guess whether or not the card was printed in a joke set or not (perhaps purely by effect so the card name doesn't give it away). They get a free point with the "cheese stands alone"/"barren glory"

[@MathMagicianSam]

A suggestion: instead of asking "would this be legal in Magic" You might consider asking "how much would this cost in Magic". The 'zero mana' of all cards means almost all cards are busted in Magic

[@Jaice00]

Dragoon also isn't banned because the bricks to make him are literally level 7 vanilla and the fusion spell can be dead in your hand. DPE was always the better verte target because the fusion spell is still useful when you draw it and dasher and celestial aren't nearly as bad to draw

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

Dragoon pass is still a good play on its own, statistically likely to prevent the opponent from ever playing the game. No, it's not as good as Dragoon plus other things, but pretending that Dragoon pass cannot win games is silly. And if the opponent negates REF, you're not locked by its condition. So it only has downside if you get the upside. Yes, you do have to include 2 bricks in your deck to run it. That's the actual drawback. The fusion spell is only a dead draw if you somehow already used it and get it back into your hand without being able to make Dragoon again.

[@Jaice00]

@@dontmisunderstand6041 red-eyes fusion still locks you if it gets ashed. It says that you cannot summon the turn you activate it and ash only negates effects

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

@@Jaice00 Interesting... so Master Duel is bugged, then? In Master Duel it negates the full text of the card. In example, Ash REF and the opponent simply uses another copy of REF or summons a monster in Master Duel.

[@novakrabby]

if I could time travel but I couldn't think of anything else to show cavemen other than modern yugioh cards, this would be the expected outcome

[@sebastianl4135]

Yu-Gi-Oh! 2: Electric Boogaloo EDIT: lol starting from 32:18 Bystials were oppressive to a DARK deck that uses the graveyard all the time, but that deck was *still* the only deck worth playing in that format and Bystials made it even more oppressive to other decks *and* made the mirror match more complex.

[@sebastianl4135]

Control in YGO and control in Magic is an interesting thing to compare. Most decks in YGO usually have to be able to counter or control the game in some way, even if it’s not the thing they’re most efficient at, and most control decks outside of stun usually can one-turn kill when they play their first battle phase. In Magic (in the current Standard format in Arena, I’m new to the game, that’s the only context I’ve got), there’s a lot of very-low creature count to zero creature decks out there. I don’t think I would even call all of them control, because the control decks are playing aggressive amounts of creature removal, some counterspells and usually some way to create tokens off Instants, Planeswalkers or Lands or bring Lands out as creatures, or even a Planeswalker that becomes a hexproof creature on your turn and still has its Planeswalker abilities. It really is an incredibly slow grindy kind of way to play Magic (and there are aggro decks in the format too that can consistently kill you on turn two or three, it’s one of the reasons creature removal is favored over counterspells right now), and Yu-Gi-Oh has to go back to Edison or GOAT to see that style of gameplay. Maybe HAT too. Also two other notes: I think Cimo would enjoy the current standard format in Magic, and CGB might enjoy modern Yu-Gi-Oh more than he thinks he would, maybe even more than Cimo does. The other note is that it’s amazing to me how bad a card like Duress is compared to Confiscation and other hand-ripping effects in YGO. Just needing the black mana can be stupid enough in a basic Dimir (Blue/Black) deck if you open Islands and no Swamps, or you open Swamps but you need Islands for your Spyglass Sirens and now you have to mulligan or risk it all on drawing the specific land you need to form a playable hand, but Duress just becomes a much worse card the longer the game goes on and when I get hit by like three hand-ripping spells, it’s amazing that you can just laugh those off and win anyway. In Yu-Gi-Oh!, one hand rip might end the game, two almost definitely would, and three is just you can’t come back from that.

[@fnaz96]

35:35 In Yugioh if you cannot resolve a card uninterrupted, you cannot activate the card. So if you declare a card you did not have in your deck at activation it is considered an illegal play.

[@dudegal]

Given that the context in which reigeki was presented to him created a false pretence, I would argue he deserves the point.

[@izaiahsundquist6877]

You should have people determine whether archetypes are good or not instead of individual cards from archetypes. Archetypes are what makes Yu-Gi-Oh unique as a game and it would be a good way of showing off our cards.

[@Silver_Chivalry]

Yeah, I agree. Now that CGB has been given a solid understanding of what Yu-Gi-Oh! archetypes are, I'd like to see him evaluate an entire archetype. I mean, not every card in every archetype is good and conducive to a deck's win condition.

[@LCDigital92]

From other MtG-player-rates-YGO-cards videos, they’ve done like comparing 3 archetypes and the MtG player needs to determine which used to be good, is currently good, and which was never good.

[@syrelian]

The difficulty is how overwhelming assessing like 8 cards all at once is, much less doing that multiple times

[@ak47dragunov]

Believe it or not, banish face-down is quite old. See Different Dimension Capsule

[@syrelian]

Light Force Sword

[@laggalot1012]

Back in those days, though, banishing face down was mainly a way to obscure information to the opponent. The above examples both end up delivering the affected card to the hand once they are finished.

[@newbiesama]

I feel Dbarrier is not fair to ask, since he doesn't know about the one type it cannot stop

[@streak_os]

An episode where the guest has to guess between custom/fake cards and actual cards and guess whether they're real cards would be hilarious.

[@psymar]

Even the ones CGB didn't correctly guess whether they were banned, he correctly evaluated the power level and the arguments for and against banning them, so that was really good

[@kcStranger]

You had CGB evaluate Raigeki in the context of modern Yu-Gi-Oh. He gets the point.

[@profanemagic5671]

@42:00 Hey CGB, if you happen to read this: There‘s hand-traps the level of Force of Will in YGO, and just like in legacy every blue deck plays FoW and (almost) every deck plays blue to include FoW

[@sapphiredraggytheflygon8521]

He’s seen them

[@profanemagic5671]

@@sapphiredraggytheflygon8521 but he's unaware of the level of play they see, obviously. He doesn't know if those cards are on the level of "Cancel" or rather something good, like Mana Drain / Force

[@xXSamir44Xx]

Cimo literally explained that in this video.

[@profanemagic5671]

@@xXSamir44Xx But we know by now that CGB does not listen. He's still unaware of how combat works.

[@xXSamir44Xx]

@@profanemagic5671 He understood most of the cards in this video better than a lot of Yugioh players.

[@jacobisbell9388]

"They never ban the new ones." Oh no, he doesn't know

[@ManofSteel4889]

Brionne is like…..the hell they don’t

[@MasterQuestMaster]

Oh boy, time for some Yugioh 2! Existential crisis incoming for CGB!

[@JasonBoos2005]

He is getting better seeing the logic of the game, but in the end he always talks himself out the right answer

[@chrisb.2028]

It is difficult to arrive a the right answer through logic to a problem that wasn't solved by logic, sometimes konami responds to players sentiment regardless of how logical or logical it is, and sometimes it is just their way to face out decks to sell new product, not to balance the game.

[@MikeKing001]

Kind of hard to arrive at the correct answer when Cimo straight up lies. "These are old cards." CGB then correctly identifies that the card would be broken in early Yugioh says as much and Cimo doesn't respond with this is an old card. Even though he had the perfect opportunity.

[@butterspike680]

CGB was amazingly on point in this one, he could even deduce people's reaction to Crossout Designator, and how the card was overhyped as a new universal staple only to be decent at best and very format dependant (at least in the TCG, it's much better in the OCT and Master Duel because of the existence of Maxx C)

[@ct1296]

This man just evaluated Evenly better than 90+% of actual YGO players without ever playing a game

[@IamBaum]

I hope Cimo will bring out an Inspector Boarder one day. I love seeing ppl try to figure out, what this card actually does. The text is so nicely incomprehensive.

[@Ericbomb]

In Yu Gi Oh if something looks OP, it doesn't mean it's the problem. It may be the only solution to a worse problem!

[@gameipedia]

The OG MW2 analogy is actually great and I think it's the 3rd time I've seen it used in general as the "everything is OP so it's fine argument" and I love that, good memories of dual Models or One Man Army grenade spam :>

[@hazeljoy1]

When I heard the intro I thought you were going to give him a mix of new yugioh cards and fake yugioh cards and ask him to guess which it is! I guess there's a video idea if you want it

[@task_failer8223]

"I show him NEW Cards" *second card is Raigeki*

[@thepotato513]

Holy cow, CGB's analysis on Crossout Designator was actually perfect, probably the best analysis I've seen anybody on any of these shows do

[@Boozlord]

What I love about Fenrir's case is that if you include Master Duel's ban list in the mix, the answer to "Is it banned, restricted or legal?" The answer is yes.

[@AshlynnTheFennec]

Druiswyrm also does not Destroy, it Sends, which are to totally different things, as it bypasses monsters that have destruction immunity

[@andrewdarby8843]

The thing with dragoon is that you have to run dark magician and red eyes black dragon in your deck. Drawing either of those is just a dead card. That means that the payoff for having to run bad cards should be pretty good. Disclaimer: I'm not a yugioh player, I'm just analysing.

[@YukiFubuki.]

yeh thats an accurate assessments would note that there are some decks that can minimizing those caveats like branded decks since they can make use of dark magician from anywhere as the light/dark monster requirement + albaz which the branded deck revolves around to fusion summon their lubellion/albion dragon that has its own built-in fusion effect on summon banishing or returning the materials to deck to summon dragoon using the freshly used dark magician and lubellion/albion itself as the effect dragon requirement over red-eyes since only dark magician is mandatory requirement this means it can only use its destroy and burn effect once instead of twice but its enough alternative the white forest deck has surprisingly shown the ability to run dragoon without any of the bricks at all because they can easily summon muddy mudragon a monster with a built-in fusion ignition effect and has the additional ‘passive’ effect to substitute itself for 1 fusion material mentioned on a fusion monster requirement specifically so it can substitute itself for albaz to make lubellion/albion and then use their effect to make dragoon using mudragon substitution again once more as dark magician compare to branded’s method, dragoon cannot use its destroy and burn effect at all since no normal monster were used as material in this case

[@andrewdarby8843]

@@YukiFubuki. I think without that destroy effect, it's not actually that strong. It just is an effect cancelling 3000 body that can negate effects by discarding cards (i.e. it turns every card into a potential hand trap). That's good, but by modern standards if I'm understanding this right, it's not worth revolving a deck around. 3000 is a statline that a good number of things can equal or beat in battle and it has no protection against just being hit in the face with another big monster. The thing that makes this card so insane is the card removal it adds on top of its nullification value AND the fact that in doing so, it makes itself harder to defeat in battle. So, yeah, if you remove those cards as fusion components, I'm not convinced this card is even worth running by the standards of other things we've seen in this video.

[@YukiFubuki.]

@@andrewdarby8843 your right its negate is its highlight that additionally makes it stronger each time it uses the effect which is compounded by its destruction and targeting immunity but 3000 atk is actually still quite significant since the opponent will still need to pour resource into making 3000 atk monster to crash into it for mutual destruction at worst (assuming the dragoon didnt use its effect yet and remains at 3000) and that 3000 atk monster they sacrificed likely played a specific role in their deck with a certain part of their strategy probably disabled now that its dead the thing with the 3000 atk stat line is that if you go and catalogue all the monsters in the game with 3000 or higher atk value then see how many of those cards is 3100 or higher the pool of monsters suddenly becomes becomes less then half so its not just a 'good number', it is THE NUMBER for boss monster so while yes there are things that can match or beat it just simply going over 3000 is something of a feat in and of itself and if you use dragoon's effect just a single time to make it 4000 atk he suddenly becomes a whole lot scarier because anything at the 4000 benchmark or higher is typically significantly more resource intensive to bring out along with the player likely only having 1 shot to try to get something just as strong or stronger out so you would be hoping the opponent doesnt catch on and cut you off that path because most decks simply do not play anything over 3000 in the first place due to it usually being unnecessary as removal will likely do the trick if not a well timed disruption or that the deck itself likely have to pivot away from their actual strategy into something more clunky and possibly sacrifice their intended play just to be able to get something out that can deal with something that is mainly only vulnerable by battle the biggest misconception however is the idea that someone would make a deck revolving around it... well to be fair im sure someone actually would but a deck simply revolving around just a specific card is not a prevalent deck building mindset in modern yugioh and part of why dragoon is more commonly seen in something like branded and white forest decks then anything else is because they can summon him without much effort, it doesnt get in the way in the way of their actual strategy much or at all nor does he play a big part in the deck's win-con either and instead dragoon is; simply a supplemental end piece in their strategy, a threat they can fall back on if all else fails in a simplified game state and/or something they can use to pressure and soften the opponent up because he needs to be dealt with immediately otherwise he can quickly get outa hand single handily gatekeeping the opponent from victory

[@LonewolfKhujo]

13:13 Literally Sam in his Master Wheel video yesterday. Staple Boy back at it 😂

[@chandraliu9159]

If dragoon were made into magic card, I guess it be something like 8 mana 8/7, shroud, indestructible against effect. Multi kicker(up to two) - sacrifice a creature. Pay X mana to destroy 1 enemy creature, with x equal to said creature mana cost and deal damage to opponent equal to destroyed creature power. Can be activated up to number of times this card is kicked per turn. And once per turn discard for counterspell effect, with adding 2 +1/+1 counter per successful activation

[@naqib_2365]

I think Boss Monsters in Yu-Gi-Oh 2.0 as CGB calls it might be more directly comparable to Planeswalkers in MtG. Each Boss monster seems to come with 2 or 3 once per turn ability: a card advantage mode, a removal mode, and a protection mode. In terms of functionality, this makes them more similar to Planeswalkers.

[@supsup335]

Objection your honor: Raigeki isn't a new card!

[@Kasaaz]

Was kind of hoping it would go from Kashtira Fenrir to Tearlaments Reinoheart to... Tearlaments Kashtira.

[@TheADHDM]

😂 that would be a good twist

[@volterion6317]

cgb was on point this episode never would have guessed he could evaluate this cards so well

[@sluggernott]

It’s so funny seeing CGB actually start to understand how modern Yugioh operates and then have his brain broken by Talents lmao

[@Chronzic4]

I love these videos. Feel like podcasts tbh. Keep it up man.

[@irrelevant12]

6:00 "... the attack would presumably continue to kill the facedown monster", i used to be a yu gi oh judge back in 2006 i stoped playing in 2008 long before this card was released but as far as rules were back in that time, if the number of monsters in the defender side changed during an attack, it would cancel and a new attack declaration would have to be issued. I have no idea what has happened in the last 15 years so idk if rules changed.

[@Silver_Chivalry]

The rules haven't changed. If the number of Monsters on the field changes, then the attacking player may redeclare their attack.

[@nigerianprinceajani]

Technically, it was never a new attack declaration. You just choose a different target. Example: Player B has "Scapegoat", "Mirror Force" and "Sangan" set face-down. Player A declares an attack on Player B's face-down monster. Player B activates "Scapegoat" and summons 4 goat tokens. A replay occurs and Player A chooses a token as their new attack target. Since attack declaration has happened before "Scapegoat" was activated, Player B is now unable to activate "Mirror Force".

[@buttonasas]

I don't see how this conflicts anything Cimo said. The fact that you get to redeclare doesn't mean you would and it sounds quite meaningless to redeclare in the case Cimo described.

[@3v068]

Dude, I aboslutely love this series. I'm coming back so this is teaching me a lot of things I've missed over the years I didn't play. Its also funny seeing the reactions of you two since I don't play magic.

[@sineupp]

54:00 combo decks also put up negates, which are mostly monsters too, I think this matters when evaluating Talents

[@skuamato7886]

To answer the question of why Fenrir isnt played in every deck: 1) some decks have in-archetype cards that conflict with a body on the board (like speedroid terrortop) 2) some decks have particular lines to summon something at summon 5 that checks nibiru. Fenrir being the first summon makes that awkward

[@jimmyh3445]

HOLD UP. The "C *clap* G * clap* B *clap*" was cut off at the very start of the video. Please reupload without this grevious error

[@NoGreatImport]

The "if everything is broken, then everything is balanced" is how Dota2 used to be described to LoL players that thought everything they read in Dota was the most broken possible thing. Hearing that in the video was hilarious.

[@tyfallon]

You are so brutal to CGB with these titles 💀

[@MrTwister22]

The Modern Warfare 2 analogy was a perfect description of NewGiOh, and I happen to love both of those things

[@electricspirit3600]

I think it’s funny how a magic player brain works because when he mentioned using Crossout on his own card, I had never considered it. Now part of it is because a lot of restrictions to powerful effects are applied at point of resolution or are conditions that cannot be negated, but part of it is because we’ve had ways to kill your opponent into the sun since day 1 that no one thinks about a combo that would need to arrive at an end phase to negate a downside of their own card.

[@MysteryOrigin]

My first reaction to that was Mirage of Nightmare, a classic card that people use MST to pop their own copy. If you can land a second copy of crossout, you could use mirage multiple times without popping it. That said, mirage has been banned for ages so it's not really relevant.

[@electricspirit3600]

@ The combo you bring up is hypothetically decent, but not degenerate imo. Mirage of Nightmare is an unbelievable card even if you have to pay the cost, so you don’t ‘break’ the card by mitigating the cost and it’s certainly not a setup you would want to invest resources into making in modern yugioh. The only card that loses you the duel without being an instant win is Relay Soul, an effect so pathetic that any number of cards could get you the same result + more upside.

[@legeul]

Amusingly, banishing a ghoti with crossout is also a way to extend their combo.

[@seanlord6965]

With regard to 6:30, cards are fairly frequently cast from exile in MTG, but you will rarely cast cards from exile that were exiled by an opponent's effect. The exile is often used as something like temporary draw, where you have one or two turns to play the exiled cards before they're gone forever. This is mostly a red mechanic and appears on cards like Escape to the Wilds, Galvanic Relay, and Expressive Iteration. There are very few cards that can act on cards exiled by an different source. Some examples include: Karn, the Great Creator (can get artifacts back from exile) Squee, the Immortal (can be cast from exile) Ashiok, Nightmare Muse (can cast cards opponents own from exile)

[@buttonasas]

"Exiled cards that might return" are technically in the same zone as actual "exiled" cards but, honestly, they're nothing alike - you specifically put these "cards that might return" into their separate spots to remind yourself _how_ they return.

[@seanlord6965]

@@buttonasas Yes, I just wanted to highlight that exile does sometimes act as an accessory to the hand. They are alike in the sense that those cards are often effectively gone from the game if the source that put them in exile is removed. For example, if I exile an Ulamog with my Ugin's Labyrinth and then my opponent uses Field of Ruin, my Ulamog is just as good as a creature hit with Swords to Plowshares.

[@gelaldo18]

Idk you guys, but this man who has never played yugioh, is really good at his guessings Yes, he doesn't guess it correctly, but he is either close with a very exact use and description of the cards, or he is correct... And then is Fenrir

[@davie4052]

Cgb time!!! Just found you a week ago and been catching up on the magic/stone player videos and gotta say I love cgb collabs, I’m a magic player and got back into yugioh when master duels came out and he has the same responds I did

[@kookyartist]

I will say I think the D Barrier "help" was a l i t t l e unfair; saying that decks don't pivot to other Extra Deck types is not quite accurate anymore, ESPECIALLY with Link monsters. Since users can't declare Links and they are dummy easy to summon, I would say it makes the card slightly weaker

[@electricspirit3600]

Yeah it was a little disingenuous to not say that there’s an entire extra deck mechanic that’s unaccounted for by Barrier.

[@TheBaldingPied]

Super impressive that he didn't fall for the dragoon bait. Turns out this cardgame channel knows how to look at card games.

[@sackz1125]

banishing face down is not a new mechanic, different dimension capsule did that in 2005

[@Begeru]

36:46 CGB casually describing the concept of “Garnets” in Yugioh 😂

[@thunderstruck560]

Watching cgb rules lawyer his way through cross out was what people used tibalts trickery for

[@Jjinjuriki]

“Standby, draw, battle….” Is one of the most terrifying lines you can hear at a ygo table after popping off😂

[@james-wx6jh]

I love evenly matched

[@victikirby15]

I am waiting with baited breath for the day when you finally show CGB or Rarran a pendulum monster

[@Flockofwalruses]

Had a 14 hour day of work. Smiled so hard when I saw you two back at it again!!!

[@Sinzari]

1:05:47 Actually, CGB, Dragoon IS one of those cards that does (or tries to) get slow advantage across turns. It doesn't require a combo to bring out, you get it by just playing a single spell from your hand with virtually not cost, but the main restriction is you can't special summon that turn, so it forces your deck to play much slower to be able to play this card. Being able to destroy 1-2 monsters a turn and negate a card per turn is actually not backbreaking in Yugioh, and you'd need to be running other traps with this to be able to survive the opponent's turn. Dragoon is one of my favourite cards as a Yugioh control player.

[@ShinDB]

I love how CGB immediately realises what a stupid card Fenrir is. Now i can only imagine what he'd think of the whole deck.