Cine1, 2, 3, 4...What's The Difference?!

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

I hope you guys find this helpful, PP settings were set to 0 for everything and I used the Cinema colour space...enjoy :)

[@EduardoPerez-xt8ug]

Enzo Vera that would be awesome subtitles in Spanish saludos Harv from Puerto Rico

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

+Eduardo Pérez I'll give this some thought :)

[@andersnymannwejse3347]

Harv Video/Audio Stuff Hi harv! I have posted a question below - can you help me? Love your videos :)

[@Freiheit1232]

Hey is there a reason you used the Cinema color space?

[@above-us-only-sky]

I never NEVER comment on vids like these. But I genuinely feel like you actually give a shit. Being a cinematographer I know how long and borish these vids are to make. But I really appreciated your input. This is valuable info for those of us who have recently made the switch to Sony mirrorless. There's next to no info from Sony about this stuff. Anyway. Thanks for doing what you do.

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

+Dustin Kirkendall many thanks :) really appreciate it!

[@andrewtaylor5103]

Cine2 is the same curve as Cine1 but it's compressed to fit into the 0-100 range. If you shoot Cine1 and bring down the whites it'll recover some of the blown highlights and look the same as Cine2.

[@CarlosVixil]

meaning the opposite of what he said, cine1 has the most DR

[@jameiealehandro]

exactly. a bit suprised that a person of his expertise had made such a simple mistake@@CarlosVixil

[@biteme8905]

So if you alter cine 1 you can get it to look like cine 2. unaltered. What is the use in that?

[@CarlosVixil]

@@biteme8905 dynamic range Edit: same logic different question, “why shoot in log if you’re gonna make it look like rec709?”

[@ARickyRodriguez]

I agree, I have a Sony FS 700R and when shooting mostly outdoor shoot I use this following profile setting in Outdoors / high contrast situations and to control the shadow details : Gamma: Cine 4 , Black Level: +4, Black Gamma: Middle, +4, Knee: 90, Slope: +2, Color Mode: Pro, Level 8, Color Level:-2, Detail: -4, and The rest is default. For lowlight situations believe it or not, I turn to Cine1 at a setting of Gamma: Cine1, Black level: 0, Black Gamma: Middle, 0, Knee: 90, Slope: +2, Color Mode: Pro, Level: 8, Color Level: 0, Detail: -4, and the rest is as is. I used the cinegama1 for lowlight not cine2 because I love how it looks into the shadows. Anyways awesome test video. Thank you for posting, keep them coming it motivates millians.

[@knnylow]

Thanks for sharing! Quick question, I've been playing around with the details and I noticed your keeping yours ar -4. Is there a reason to keep the detail so low?

[@_rhapsodist]

I use cine 4 for daytime and cine 2 for night time as a general rule, it seems to work well

[@RodneyCooperFilmz]

Are you switching to the color modes when working in Cine 2 or Cine 4?

[@slangdoll]

I always thought Cine4 would be better for night... you don't need the extra in the bright areas and the shots seem less noisy in dark areas with Cine4.

[@_STNML]

that makes absolutely no sense lol

[@mohitsharma8912]

It's the opposite

[@davidmultimedia2024]

YES! Finally someone confirming what I believe (Cine 2 has more DR than Cine 4). Everybody says that Cine 4 has more dynamic range, but I found that it doesn't hold as much information in the highlights and it makes skintones look unnatural with yellow spots... Cine 2 makes the smoothest skintones, and is the closest Sony profile to EOSHD Pro Colors (based on my experience). Also, the lowest ISO setting with Cine 2 is 100, while Cine 4 is 200. I just made a fishing trip movie using my modified version of EOSHD Pro Colors (with SLOG2) and my Genustech Eclipse variable ND filter to control the depth of field... and it looks AMAZING! Once color graded, and with the addition of film grain... it seriously looks like a real film camera (I could almost insert a new scene in JAWS lol). The EOSHD Pro Colors makes the skintones looks way better and smoother (less sharp details like a real film camera) and the SLOG2 profile give me a lot of flexibility (HDR). I wonder what the results would have been if I was using EOSHD Pro Colors (with Cine 2) ... Of course, the image would be a little cleaner with ISO100, but I not sure if I would miss the extra DR that SLOG2 gives me. Anyways... as always, great video Harv and thanks for sharing those tests! :)

[@DanielAx]

Would love to watch that movie you were talking about and see for myself. Is it uploaded somwhere?

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

+David L'Abbée many thanks :) very insightful, I also use a profile that's loosely based on eoshd with slog2

[@davidmultimedia2024]

+Daniel Ax Unfortunately, it is not... and probably won't ever be (family movie). But I'm writing a short film that will be uploaded on KZbin and Vimeo, so you will be able to see what I mean.

[@codyandvictoria]

Harv Video/Audio Stuff what's the profile settings :))

[@johnmullins543]

What a great demonstration of the different Sony cine profiles. I really like the way you put things together, thanks!

[@lukewoodwardfilmslwfilms8316]

Another great video Harv, I love how you tend to answer questions that people naturally have about these cameras. I would love for you to do another similar video in the context of low light comparisons and how they each handle noise at a "realistic" high ISO, not 250,000 but maybe between 20k-50k. Thanks for all the great content!

[@KollideMedia]

Very interesting video. Helped me in my understanding of different cine color picture profiles. Thanks

[@benjaminfargen]

Rocking good!!!...thanks for making the time to do these...some of the best and most useful vids on Sony PP!!!

[@soorajsa2548]

Just discovered this channel. It's wonderful. All the best.

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

+Sooraj S A means a lot, thank you :)

[@soorajsa2548]

Harv Video/Audio Stuff Subbed :) Keep going!

[@PwnzyyLANE]

*Use s-gamut3 or cinema color mode with cine2 & cine4? And how do you feel about the comment below that said using cine4 during daytime and cine2 during night time? Curious to hear your opinion on that. I'm new to sony cameras as well.. just got my a7sii the other day lol.*

[@PHILMMedia]

After watching this I retested the profiles and got this: Cine 2 has most overall DR Cine 1/Cine 4 come second with DR. The difference between the two is that Cine 1 has more shadow detail/less highlight detail while Cine 4 has more highlight detail/less shadow detail.

[@justingooch6201]

Harv, thank you for this, really clear insight and good tests. Best wishes to you

[@byProvings]

I’ve done similar tests and also found Cine 2 to work best. I use it any time I don’t have an ND filter handy for Slog-2 and also for lower light situations.

[@davidlekes265]

Cine 2 vs. Slog 2. That will be really cool.

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

+David Lekes I'll definitely give it some thought :)

[@RodneyCooperFilmz]

Would you recommend the S-Gamut color mode when shooting in the Cine2 picture profile?

[@inigofilms]

Harv, Have you done the Cine2 v. S-log2 comparison?

[@biscuitsalive]

I tested those here- kzbin.info/www/bejne/imWQqX5mfrGMpc0

[@mattiacono4121]

Thanks for the video! I just conducted my own test, and found that out of all the gammas, Cine2 is also my favorite. I am now kicking myself because I have been shooting a lot in S-Log3. My test was specifically for low light. the S-Log footage was shot at ISO1600 and the Cine2 footage was shot at ISO640. I'm now going to try having both at ISO1600 but have skin tones at 60IRE. I'll post my result below.

[@newedenfilms]

Super helpful thank you. Ive always been a cine 4 guy but never liked the digital look that that amount of contrast gave me. Now moved to cine 2 to a lower knee and its looking a load more cinematic in the highlights especially. Thanks

[@alexmedia8094]

Thanks for this. It's ow 2020 and I've just picked up a Sony A7S II for client work. Thanks for sharing this review. It's really helpful

[@leomartin9650]

Brilliant and always new things learned! Appreciate it Harv!

[@FunWithTheBugs]

Very helpful videos. Recently picked up a Sony a6300 and your channel has some great info. Subbed you yesterday but just wanted to say thanks.

[@EddyReckless]

I did the same test and cine 4 even at higher base iso (200) keeps highlights better than cine2 (iso100) with the same exposure. The higher max level on cine 4 (109) allows me to recover even more higlights in post, meanwhile cine 2 has a hard cut on the whites (better for night scene I guess or if you dont want to edit a lot). Finally, if you mod black level on cine 4 you can achieve something really similar to slog2. I have my video test on youtube but only in spanish. I really love to see neardy tests so keep doing your stuff 🎉

[@PaulBryanTV]

As far as I am aware, Cine 1 has a 109 white limit threshold. So what looks like blown highlights is actually recoverable mostly (as long as it's not above 109%).

[@DomSigalas]

Awesome stuff Harv, I guess the next question (and possibly a video? ) is how does Cine4 grade compared to S-Log2 or Cine2 :)

[@mmazz414]

Harv - I would love if you did a video on how to color grade after using cine profiles and slog!!

[@nataliatv3313]

I strongly agree! Nice comparison.

[@NewYorkerPEACE]

You really have the best and most helpful information. Cheers

[@noeleee]

Thanks for taking the time and effort to make these vids Harv! Recently subbed - love the channel :)

[@strandskovmedia4606]

Again, one awesome video Harv. :-) - But what about the gamma? How do you set the Cine profiles up the best with all the other settings inside the profile settings?

[@Teamriverz]

I shot solely cine2 at the suggestion around the web, but I'm finding that cine3 with a 90% manual knee at -3 slope, BlackGamma set to middle at +7, Black level at -10, R=+2, G=+4, B=+4, C=-1, M=+3, Y=-4 and Pro color boosted to +8 saturation, and a Phase reduction of -1 yield great out of camera footage that doesn't need grading. The noise levels seen with the lens cap on with cine2 and 4 are enough for me to stay away from them unless I plan to play in post. And if I'm going to do that, I might as well shoot slog2. Problem is, there just isn't enough data to push at 8bits with these cameras and we'd need the FS7 or better. Even the FS5 is limited unless shooting raw to a recorder.

[@ShawnMiltonSinger]

Totally Agreed with you!! Although, i would also prefer Cine 2 for more dynamic range as harv said but the thing is that we have to deal with the noise too at the same time, for that personally, i think Cine 3 is the best option for me with Color Space either set to "Still" or "Pro", as it gives me the true colour which i am actually seeing through my naked eyes, many people set their color space to s.gamut, idk why, but what i noticed is, it doesn't give you that actual "RED" colour in your footage, it gives orangish kinda feel to it, which changes the look & feel of the footage totally. Anyways! different people, different perceptions!

[@derekpolman3865]

Interesting settings. It looks like you're really raising the shadows with the Black Gamma and Black Level. Are you finding this setting good for both day and night shots?

[@Teamriverz]

the cine3 gamma is dark in the shadows, setting the Bgamma at 7 is a nice compromise and dropping the black level just gives me more punch. Movie gamma is better at night or in dark or evenly lit footage. It's only where you have extreme highlights in contrasty conditions that shadows get lost.

[@derekpolman3865]

@@Teamriverz thanks for the reply!

[@ahmedhamdy2773]

I enjoy how you break it down to simple shots of info 😉

[@CarFinanceSimplified]

Great vid as always - will get testing Cine2 on my A7S.

[@Yoyoman835]

I think your audio is better than any other filmmaking channel's. #RealTalk

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

+Elite Lens Films thanks :) it's mainly down to the mic (akg c414)

[@toddgilligan]

2 G's for a mic, killin it!

[@TheIndianFankaarShowTalkStyle]

Hi,I regular watched your tutorial I just want to know which picture profile best for cine 1,2,3,4

[@Cubin4ik]

Wow, you really impressed me with this short and easy guide!

[@jovanlugo50]

Thank you for the video it's gonna help me a lot in my next projects!!

[@Solarfactor]

Do you find Cine4 'bakes in' more colour as opposed to, say, SLOG2?

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

Yeah, but that could just be due to cine4 being a linear gamma

[@a1isonpereira]

Was Cine2 set to Cinema or Pro? apparently that makes a lot of difference as well.

[@dirtbaguette]

This is super helpful and you explained it so well. Thank you so much!

[@jasonmalloy8502]

I like Cine 4 because of the roll off. I raise the black level in camera. I strongly suggest, like Harv has said before, testing out all of the customizable PP settings in these sony cameras. It helps a ton. Create your own profile.

[@jetelaine]

This is so helpful. You are fantastic. Please keep doing what you are doing.

[@hackit25]

OMG Thanks for doing this. I've been shooting Cine4 with good results, but it's taken a lot of time just testing the various color spaces in Cine4 alone to get my 'look' right. Big time saver, Harv!

[@RodneyCooperFilmz]

JamesFreire What settings did you eventually settle with?

[@hackit25]

Hi Rodney. Interestingly enough, i've been shooting in Slog2 with Sgamut3.cine . I shoot a lot in very high contrast and I found it works great and it's really not hard to shoot well with. I also use Film Convert and my post process is very fast now.

[@SonicParkour6]

You're the best! Thanks so much man, we all really really appreciate it.

[@gonzalofigueroa737]

Thank you for your great videos, keep going!

[@Lufe_Siqueira]

Great work as always, Harv. Thanks!

[@InsidiousVendetta]

Great stuff man. Definitely helpful content. Keep it up!

[@markromero7874]

Thanks!!! I had been using Cine 4 but will give Cine 2 a shot instead (using with EOSHD pro color too).

[@MGTEKNS]

Cine 4 looked like it had the most dynamic range... but thanks for this video. Will try Cine 2.

[@micahmahaffey5919]

MGTEKNS cine 4 definitely has more dynamic range

[@shin-ishikiri-no]

If you're only looking at the highlights, then it seems so. Darker tones look more dynamic rangey in Cine2.

[@ZaaM1]

hlog better than all of them and has the best dynamic range

[@Wynn85040]

Do one for lowlight Harv.

[@jameiealehandro]

what color modes to use with cine profiles ?

[@WalterSmolenski]

Liking your videos. I understand that many people use Cin4 or Slog2 as common profiles. James Millers sells speciality luts for sony Cin4, Slog2/3 profiles. However a majority of special look LUTS sold are designed for REC709. So with Cin4 or Slog you have to transform the footage to REC709 before applying these LUTS. Profile PP3 and PP4 have a IUT709 picture profile mode which I am assuming is a form of REC709 that may be compatible with the vast majority of these REC709 LUTS sold. As a beginner my question is why is recording in Cin4 preferred to using IUT709? and if IUT709 is less work to use to apply Look LUTS to than CIN4 since it may be closer to REC709 footage?

[@ShotbyPicto]

You really hope it was helpful? Even as a regular Sony shooter, I found your tests as well as your narrative extremely helpful, and more so than any other explanation of the Cine profiles I have seen. Also, I back off detail to -7 and saturation the same for Cine 2 and 4. Saw that you leave everything at 0. Don't you feel that gives you less control of sharpening in post and too much baked in color? Great job on the video. Thanks for posting it.

[@KSliauderis]

Hi, thanks for an interesting video. I see that your'e an expert on picture profiles. I have a problem, recently i bought a camera sony A7ii, which turns out has a very big problem in video mode - moire and aliasing. can you recommend something on how to reduce these problems in my videos? while testing i thought that cine1, cine2, somewhat reduce the problem, but very slightly, maybe I should tweak the actual profile? maybe it would reduce them even more? for example reduce detail, sharpness or something? would apprecieate your ideas, thanks.

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

Hi, hmm yes reducing sharpness in the profile was my first thought as well. Other than that there’s very little you can do to avoid it (other than actively avoiding filming things than produce moire patterns etc). The aliasing is odd though 🤔 many thanks

[@KSliauderis]

my bad, maybe it's just moire..

[@AndreGodoi]

What resolution are you shooting at? Those Super35 resolutions use the entire sensor to capture image and they should reduce the moire effect.

[@CarpeDiemHH]

Came here and found what i was searching for. Thx!! Now i will have to do some practicing. Greetz from germany Hamburg. ❤️Carpe

[@LukeFlegg]

Really agere with you. Nice video man

[@KeemIbarra]

Harv your videos are top notch man! You should make a video on how to match the Sony Fs5 with the sony A7RII, i can't seem to figure it out

[@ryanstark2350]

The best way to deal with all these profiles and their settings is to view changes on a monitor with decent full screen waveforms. Then you can clearly see what changes are happening and actually just choose different settings in the field.

[@mikeh.4503]

Excellent video/channel. Subscribed! However, one question here. Probably I am the one, lacking some basic knowledge here ;) Anyway: You say that cine1 clips the highlights. Actually, I always thought cine1 doesn't because it preserves the highlights up to 109% (superwhite). They are just clipped by your monitor or software or whatever. That's why actually cine1 preserves more highlight than cine2. You just need the right display and tools to work with them I thought. On the other hand, cine2 compresses the highlights, that's why they are looking better on a standard screen. >>> Probably I am totally wrong, but if you could help with an explanation, that would be awesome. :)

[@konstantinalfi743]

Can you make a video, where you show us your export settings for videos. I have a7s and my vids on youtube looks terrible. Ofc in premiere everything is ok.

[@bluebryan219]

I had the same problems as you , try to learn about export settings , are you recording in avchd ? Mp4? Xavcs? I found that avchd has less size and writes to 25mbs so you have to export 25mbs to get the real quality of your footage. But for KZbin , it compress a lot so better export 16mbps . Try it . But now I’m recording in XAVCS that writes more than 50mbps so that means more data in my frame ,

[@siemenvanmol5795]

Wich one would you recommend for low light shoots?

[@michileber]

Freakin love your videos, man!

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

Thanks my friend, there's lots more coming! :)

[@cisaloproductions4837]

What pp# is cine 2 on the a7sii?

[@megamattzero7348]

What you think about KZbinr Cody Blue's Cine4 settings? I was searching for Sony Cine settings and his Sony settings kept popping up. My job at the new station is starting to swear by these settings for our Sony A7sii cameras. I tend to disagree with these settings. Can you review those Sony setting please and Thank you!!!

[@ohsinghasuvich]

great! thank you for the test have you test the slog from Sony ? thank again

[@poezdun]

Does it make sense to use Cine2 with S-Gamut?

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

I’d say no, they’re not designed to go together. You’d have to do a colour space transform without touching the gamma 😕

[@kidzrevil]

CINE1 and CINE2 have the same dynamic range. CINE2 compresses everything so nothing goes above 100 IRE but cine1 makes use of the full 0-255 range going all the way up to 109 ire. CINE1 is for when you plan on editing in post and CINE2 is a direct to air gamma

[@norgerichard]

Thank for this knowledge

[@dimaua1830]

Thanks a lot for the video. Explained really well.

[@BackpackingVideos]

For most filming with these Cine profiles on my RX100V, do you recommend that I shoot in shutter priority mode, aperture priority, manual, or auto? I'm trying 24fps for a filmic look, so should I lock the shutter at 1/50? Or do you recommend I lock my aperture as well in manual mode? Great video...I learned a lot about the various Cine profiles. Seems like Cine2 is the winner (RX100 doesn't have Cine3 or 4).

[@LarsDennert]

24fps and 1/50. If you want an "automatic" mode to shoot in, choose Shutter priority. Adjust the ND first and then ISO if you aren't in Slog2/pp7. Last resort, if needed, run up the Shutter speed manually. Otherwise M and run the Aperature on a ring. I get lots of Blue and Black noise in PP7.

[@MrXZiLE]

Whats the difference between cinema and pro color?

[@slangdoll]

I have been using Cine2 since I did my own tests... I was using Cine4 because of an old PB recommendation with the original A7s and also MJ has expressed his love for Cine4 but yeah, once I finally tested for myself it just didn't look good. To be fair, perhaps my exposure wasn't perfect trying to do a quick test on a sunny day without ND hahaha but it is nice to see you came to the same conclusion as I but you also made me hate Cine4 less... I can see how more professional/experienced users can get great results with Cine4 but for me, its 2 all the way :) Thanks, Harv!

[@RodneyCooperFilmz]

Can you accurately say you don't like Cine 4? Hard to say if you didn't expose properly correct?

[@slangdoll]

I was being extra critical of myself, yes... I did expose it properly, my metering was dancing around 0 and .03 plus I tested Cine 1, 2, 3 & 4 all within minutes under the same exposure at the same scene. I remember being shocked at how much I disliked Cine 4 because it was what was recommended to me and I had been using it for weeks and dealing with it but I always felt the look was a bit harsh. I also noticed more zebras would appear in the sky when switching to 4 (just slightly) and I shot it again slight under exposing it but it wasn't any better.

[@joonajks]

Which cine would you recommend for a new beauty beginner KZbin channel with no color grading In your opinion?

[@PaoloData]

Thank you for the analysis. Very usefull. What kind of basic LUT do you advise for cine2 or 4? (something like "Slog 2 to rec 709" for slog2 shootig profile). Thanks!

[@GFFmatt]

Thanks for the help! Great work!

[@SalvatoreDiRenzo]

I'm so into your videos! I don't own any Sony camera (yet!), though I appreciate so much the features they came with and the way you talk about them! Here, I'm confused about profiles which store data over 100 IRE. Have you changed the white point in your NLE in order to let highlights data stay under 100%, so that they don't get clipped in this video, which I presume doesn't allow anything above 100% to be visible?

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

+Salvatore Di Renzo many thanks, I kept the exposure settings the same for each profile. I really wanted to explore the contrast levels and curves in this video, I think I may need to do a separate video where I look at how to expose each cine profile. What do you think?

[@SalvatoreDiRenzo]

Harv Video/Audio Stuff Thanks for your reply! I believe you did a good job in this video, I don't think cine profiles require much different exposure. The only doubt is: for those profiles which let "the histogram" go above 100%, is it possible to recover highlights with, say, the fast color corrector in PP, the same way "superwhites" are recovered in clips from cameras like the Panasonic GH4?

[@RockWILK]

Cine 2 is becoming my go to, unless I'm shooting in less challenging scenarios, in which case I just use a standard creative style and turn picture profiles off. For my a6400 and 8 bit in general, this has worked better for me than slog2, which I really like, but sometimes it's too much of a battle. ;)

[@andersnymannwejse3347]

Hi Harv - and all other sony-geeks :) I prefer cine 4, because so many luts are design for that profile. Would you still apply a cine4 lut to cine 2 footage? Thank you Harv for great videos!

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

Hi, yes definitely. The curves aren't so different, should be fine :) you can just make minor tweaks after applying the lut

[@AndreGodoi]

Where would you guys find these LUTs? I use FinalCut X for my editing and some grading, it know SLog2 natively, but not the others I believe.

[@ericknorpp8238]

I have never shot with the Cine profiles but wanted to try them out. Do you still have to over expose like with S-log? 2 stops or less since it is less flat? I always shoot S-log but sometimes would like to use 100 iso.Thanks!!

[@RodneyCooperFilmz]

Have you ever tried to shoot in Cine 2 as opposed to Cine 4?

[@slangdoll]

Same with me haha AND Matt Johnson also talks about Cine4. I don't think Cine 2 & 4 are so far off that it makes a huge difference though... but still, my grade looks more natural with Cine 2 but I don't care much for a heavily contrasted end result.

[@vitalidani]

So, with cine 2 which color mode is better cinema or s-gamut3 ?

[@zach_blackburn]

I'm pretty sure I'm blind, but I couldn't tell the difference at all between the four. Only in the black and white areas a little bit between Cine 3-Cine 4 and Cine 1-Cine 2

[@reonmoost2518]

What is proper exposure on cine4 and cine2 ?

[@TobiasEnevoldsen]

Another great video, thanks. :-) I am so happy to have found your channel. It's my favorite when it comes to video advice :-) I did a quick test also (I have the original a7s) and found similar results. I also really liked cine 2. It also seemed to have more dynamic range than cine 1...But I am confused why cine 1s being able to go to 109% isn't an advantage with regards to dynamic range?!

[@vinzyvisuals6472]

One need to under-expose by, say 10% IRE or 0.7/1 stop E.V. for Cine gammas, as theoretically, Cine Gammas are not 'logarithmic curves' but kinda f shaped curves and for the same standard exposure for Rec709, it records 10% under, which needs to be raised in post, meanwhile maintaining the highlight that was lost here in the test. It's kind of confusing and difficult to explain here. But Sony Manuals and references online should sufficiently validate. Also using Sgamutcine3 color space should avoid the infamous green tint that sony sensors are ill-known for in the color grading space.

[@RodneyCooperFilmz]

Which gamma works best for you when filming with Sony camera's?

[@FrederikHeringa]

Hadn't seen your comment. I concur and wrote similarly in my response...

[@FrederikHeringa]

Check my response above for good tips

[@StevenSSmith]

Great content! I have been watching all of your videos on the a7III, as I am waiting for mine to come in the mail in the next 2 weeks. I have a question about the video profiles. I have a very good understanding of what Log profiles are what they do to the image and why you would use them, but what is Cine? Are they too, technical a log format? Would it have been just as valid for Sony to call cine1 and cine4, S-log4 and S-log5? I see plenty of S-Log2 and S-Log3 to Rec.709 Luts for getting a "corrected" image, but hardly any for cine. To simplify 1.) Is it just Log? 2.) Is it just trying to emulate a film stock? 3.) Where can I read more on this? I have searched google and everything only covers Log.

[@danvranic2306]

How would you expose Cine2?

[@WojtriX]

Thanks for the video I've always been too lazy to try this myself

[@briannastimpson6376]

Nice and straightforward, thank you!!!

[@AdamTroup]

Hi Harv, love your videos! I have been shooting SLOG2 + 3 on the a7sii for most of my projects but there are times where being able to use auto ISO and lower ISO's is helpful. I just love the dynamic range of the SLOG profiles so much! Have you experimented with black levels etc while using a cine gammas for any increased dynamic range?

[@exoticfoodcookingshow3628]

Whats you recommend option of cine?

[@reneeegade]

thank you!

[@cisaloproductions4837]

Nice vid, but what pp # is cine2?

[@PatrickJaszewski]

Very helpful thanks for posting!

[@datalaforge]

This was really nice. Thank you for this.

[@nassufmmadi4648]

Thank you for all those informations !!

[@NOMUSCLEGARAGE]

Nice vids mate!

[@Alonnnz]

Do you have to overexpose for cine2 / cine4? Or just + 0.0?

[@AlvinDedeauxFlyFishing]

Thank you very helpful.

[@evananthony3933]

Super helpful. Thanks!

[@RockstarCinema]

I had a question I wish I could direct message you I just got the triune luts from Film riot what do you think is the best pp settings for those luts

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

+Rockstar Cinema I prefer slog2 :)

[@lucasvilasboas4997]

Good stuff brooo