Which Gamma Is Best For Low Light Video? (Sony Alpha Cameras)

[@PhilandAlex]

Simple and to the point. Thank you for sharing this video for a new Sony A6400 user

[@charlespowlett5334]

I've been using: Cine4, CineGamut3, Saturation -10, Black Level +10, Black Gamma Wide and as high as it goes. Enables the use of 200 ISO and has just about as much dynamic range as Slog2! Worth playing around with. Might even try Cine1 now as it has less contrast.

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

+Charlie Powlett great idea! May have try this :)

[@MarcoPeru]

Charlie Powlett very interesting man, I'll give it a try too!

[@zuzkarory]

why use cine 4 at all? just to make a overly contrasty profile less contrasty? doesn't really make sense. yes cine 1 or 2 is way better.

[@charlespowlett5334]

I recall reading/hearing that Cine4 preserves highlights better than Cine1/2, and that Cine1/2 are better for lowlight shooting. Or maybe it was the other way around. Should probably figure it out before my next venue shoot! Haha

[@k.liamandes974]

I shoot pretty much only in the dark and though I have never shot cine1/2 i do use cine 4 with sloggamut3 and the high powered LEDs never get blown out like they used to now

[@jimalpin]

great channel, good content and in case no one commented on this before. the music is amazingly good. suits these types of videos perfectly and you do it yourself. sick

[@qtben17]

i find slog2/3 even when graded gives a soft, vintage or retro-ish look. i like cine4 - pro as skin tones are more realistic, colors are modern and i dont have to spend tons of time color grading in post.

[@TheDiscoNarwhal]

Egh, youtube compression makes it so hard to see what you're talking about sometimes. Great video though, very informative!

[@bagatelleno.2593]

yeah i was like "what noise?" lmao

[@marvelous1751]

It would be nice if you had test quality of the blacks by increasing brightness in post

[@CarFinanceSimplified]

Great video. I was playing with my A7s the other day on a large projector and I was surprised at how much more noisy CINE4 and ITU709 were in comparison to CINE1 in low light - all with SGAMUT. Thanks for the demo - it really helped.

[@raqeemstudios]

how do you know when to set the high iso? i mean do you have any maximum point to make sure you didn’t burn all the highlights?

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

You can use zebras for this, 90% will be good for catching highlights but of course you can set it for whatever you prefer 👍🏻

[@videoart1496]

So what is the best settings in your opinion when you have to shoot with a6500 in low light ?

[@kidzrevil]

Video & Art cine2 gamma with stills color mode. Trust me 😈

[@cr7-w1s5k]

can u tell me what pp best for lowlight video for sony a6400 ?

[@mnorton1964]

Hi Harv, from a fellow Bristolian. This is a great video, the best low-light settings explainer I've seen. I'm trying to replicate what you're doing on my A6300. What does your histogram look like when you film this? Are you pushing the shadows into the middle of the histogram with the ISO? If so, how far? On the A6300, exposure compensation is only available with ISO on Auto so I'm not using it in order to be able to select a specific ISO. If you're using Auto ISO, what range are you setting? Sorry for all the questions but, having nailed this, your help would be much appreciated.

[@noblegendforever2052]

can you use picture profile "pp" and slog2? or only 1 option? tks

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

You should be able to use slog2 as many times as you like 👍🏻

[@dominic-ryan]

Hey Harv, are you still using SLOG-2 for your low light footage, or have you moved onto one of the newer PP's since this was published?

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

Yes indeed, these days I use slog3 for everything with the a7s3. For low light the higher native iso of 12800 is super clean 👍🏻

[@WAM81]

why you use s-gamut with PP cine they intended to be used with the cine color space??

[@kalef1234]

since im on a a6300 i like cine2 for low light. can't get slog2 exposed bright enough at low light without falling apart

[@davidmultimedia2024]

Great video Harv! Your "take care" twists always make me laugh :p

[@christystevens4781]

you are so great!! all of these videos are fantastic. you are so easy to understand and enjoy! thank you!!

[@WojtriX]

So you shoot slog2 in lowlight? I found out that in slog2 there is the least purple noise/ amp glow in the corners.

[@urfavcowtherian]

Harv, Thank you so much for these videos! Insanely helpful and I really appreciate the work you put into them. Looking forward to more!

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

Glad I could help, more coming :)

[@jhass00]

Any suggestions? I've got an a6400 and when I shoot in slog2 I always end up with blotchy skin tones. Am I exposing incorrectly?

[@NightBaseTV]

Try with the ITU709 MATRIX colors

[@amazingnature7037]

Great info video! I have A7s but I cant see the Slog3 in the PP setting, only up to Slog2. whats going on? If I select CINE2 i cant select Slog2. So which one do I use for night shot with dark sky as I filmed aircraft in the sky? I subbed.

[@ErwinFilms]

Nice and helpful video.Now i Understand how to use cine and s gamut. one that i still confuse about is black setting and details in picure profile s-log or in anykind of cine. What your thought about it ? and one more about noise reduction, if we use s log2, we must overexpose 2+stop in order to minimize noise. what the highest iso value recomended for a7s that still usable using slog2 ? and do you have any recomend software for noise reduction free ? in some situation, even we already use +2stop slog2, we still need a noise reduction, because noise is still pronouce quite high.

[@Sagemmoore]

do you overexpose your SLOG2 2 stops to reduce grain?

[@AlPottDrums]

Mate your Chanel is incredible! i feel like we've got the same way of thinking being musicians

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

+Al Pott much appreciated :)

[@mobiusflavoroni1705]

Some what interesting. Some questions. 1. Is the banding out of camera?, in grading? Is there Neat video noise reduction applied? DId you notice that with a moving or flickering light sources which changes the noise algorithm in the sony a7sii has issues with flickering sources? Like candles, or rippling sunlight on skin in trees? In some cases it seems quite a prominent issue especially in moody lighting (darker) - just interested if its my camera or maybe I should consider shooting this kind of stuff in raw on my ARRI or pocket magic cam. thanks nice videos - your energy is wonderful!! love it .PS is the ISO 80,000 or 8000 or did you actually change it?

[@jackwang8105]

Nice video! This surely helps me a lot! Looking forward to your next videos By the way, I think it would be nice to have some playlists containing videos with similar subjects, something like "Sony Picture Profile and Color Spaces" since I've learned so much about it from your videos. Anyway, thanks for uploading such great tutorials!!

[@firstlinelibrary]

Are you just using standard votive candles?

[@colinire15]

Thanks for the review. What would you recommend as a setting for general daylight work? Should S-Log and Cine1-4 be used in both low and normal light situations?

[@rodrigozamo]

Ziltoid!!! Yes, you are my friend now since you like Devy

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

Heavy devy is the man!

[@ANDRUSANTIAGO]

Sorry for the silly question, but which PP did you use for CINE 4? Is it PP6? Thank you

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

+DRU SANTIAGO cine4 isn't a default option in any pp, I think I left the profile settings at default

[@ANDRUSANTIAGO]

Harv Video/Audio Stuff sorry sir im still confused, patience please, how do I set it to Cine4? Do I go to any PP then set to cine4? By the way I have a6300, thank you again

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

+DRU SANTIAGO yep you can change to cine4 from any pp, the gamma setting will also make a big difference to the look of your footage. Best to try a few and see what you prefer :)

[@streetsahed]

What picture profile do you shoot slog 2 in?

[@ThePlaceForThings]

ANOTHER EXTREMELY HELPFUL VIDEO 👊

[@JAWNIEAPPLETREE]

wheres the link for cine 2-1 from sony lol

[@SPDTDL]

Lovin' Your Work As Always!

[@AttilaBakosArt]

A Devin Townsend fan who does great video tutorials? Subbed.

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

+Attila Bakos thank you! :) saw devy play last night as it happens

[@unverifiedbiotic]

Bro, if you're trying to demonstrate differences in noise, upload in 4k instead of full hd, because the video gets "noise reduction" right away by virture of compression. It always gives me a chuckle when people try to compare raw footage on YT, but this one takes the cake.

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

It was uploaded in 4K, I haven’t uploaded a video in HD since before I got the a7s2. Check your facts ‘bro’

[@TimMoran1973]

Great video. Thank you for inspiring me to try some of these out on my Sony A99ii.

[@AzamKhanPhotography]

Great Video! Keep up the good work!

[@claudehaywoodboddy1966]

I have a Canon t5i how to set with low light

[@MarcoPeru]

That was really helpful, thank you! I personally am going to try cine1 and slog2, because I usually use slog3 and I'd like to experiment with something different! Cheers man!

[@DomnicG]

Nice test. I use slog-2 too!

[@ThePsychicSasquatch]

What font is that of your yellow text on the videos?

[@chrislongley]

that's Futura

[@factoryfear]

Awesome shirt fellow Ziltoid fan! Make it perfect!

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

Indeeeeed! :)

[@materialvision]

Request: Could you make a tutorial that works with HDR scenes? How to expose for a indoor scene with a window to sunny outdoors for example? In post I would use masking to work on a scene like this, but I still find it difficult to expose correctly to avoid noise in the dark parts.

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

+Espen Sommer Eide nice idea, I'll certainly give this some thought :)

[@MrMilanina]

In that case use sLog2, its intention is to maximize the dynamic range. sLog3 might be nicer/easier to work with, but only if you record 10 bits, otherwise you are throwing too much data away.

[@jetrobano2302]

thanks for this test mate

[@anamericanentrepreneur]

Good info my friend. This is the camera I have and thnx for sharing.

[@s5hanom979]

It is work on a rx100

[@georgebarrios9603]

Video would have been a lot better for comparisons if you would have used a standard light source instead of a candle which flickers differently with every shot due to movement. Just my 2 cents. Still a helpful video non the less.

[@RyanBayudan]

On your other video, you said to shoot slog profile at native ISO. But here you are, shooting at 40k and 80k ISO. And saying slog2 is your favorite. This got me confused.. make no mistake, I'm not hating. Just confused..

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

Ryan Bayudan native iso is usually best practice, I was at high ISO’s just for demonstrative purposes as it’s a low light vid

[@TheResonating]

Wow, I always thought cine 4 had the lowest black level/contrast of the 4 cines (I dont own a sony camera yet). I'm confused, because everyone loves to compare cine 4 to slog2.

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

+TheResonating I know, I was surprised :) turns out cine1 is the closest to slog2

[@esgee3829]

maybe cine4 for well-lit scenes but cine1 for poorly-lit/higher dynamic range scenes? also, is there any other sony page on pp besides helpguide.sony.net/di/pp/v1/en/cover/level1_02.html which you referenced for cine2?

[@JoshHuntUK]

Awesome vid!

[@texfrancais]

Just wanted to say thanks for all these videos you put up! Super helpful as always

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

+texfrancais really appreciated, thanks :)

[@kathrynpetrick2588]

all these words of s-log 3 and shutter speed and more are for to me. How am I suppose to know where to start learning how to us a nice quality camera? I have not bought a camera yet. I would like to understand the language how of professional cameras before I go out and buy one. All I know is I do not want a 4k camera since you doesn't do this auto quality yet. How am suppose to learn learning the language and all the techiques these cameras have (from the beginning? for example you mentioned (s-log 3 and shutter speed) is this the beginning of understand these professional video cameras. After I understand how these cameras work, then I buy a professional camera.

[@nielsieoiets]

Kathryn Petrick if i were you i would pick-up a descent camera and start learning the language of fotography, then when u have learned alot and feel the need to buy a pro camera, do it

[@faithmatterspodcast]

Check out Mike Brown photography courses. I took his basics course to get up to speed quickly and it helped me immensely.

[@FloydOntiverosVideo]

I use Cine 3 and Cinegamut3-

[@QuentinBrendemuhl]

I know this is an old video, but I'd love to know what lut you used on your slog2? It looked great. Awesome channel by the way.

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

+Quentin Brendemuhl umm I think it was one of the triune luts, more than likely the Harry Potter one. I did a video about luts recently you might find helpful :)

[@QuentinBrendemuhl]

OK thanks a lot!

[@shootcutdeliver]

Tks Harv

[@TerryMelic]

Nice one

[@bluenightsky]

Where's HLG?

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

Check the date published, it was before HLG was available on the alpha range

[@mustang2005]

Do you have an opinion on hlg for low light? I typically use hlg 2 on my a6600 but was wondering if i should use cine2 instead

[@dirgeoverkill]

great shirt

[@WSWEss]

im getting better results in low light without any profile picture in a7ii.. no joke. i tested everything. i ended with cine 2 vs no profile. but i get more high light details in no profile picture.

[@SCVis]

Same thing with me, I shoot a lot of low light events and cine 2 (colour mode:pro) I've found is the best with minimal noise along with RG Denoiser

[@zuzkarory]

why this over the top desperation for people to take care? :) i find cine 1 and 2 best for low light. particularly cine 2 as the shadows feel raised in a nice way without needing to go so high on the iso and overexpose like with s-log. one thing. why i like your videos on this. to really get into the nitty gritty and most helpful, you should do one that gets into the best combination of both gama and color space i.e. pro, cinema, s-gamut. all of that COMBINED would be very great to examine in very thorough detail. that is the video that would really get you a ton of views and likes to be honest. thanks

[@WriteOnTheMoneyProd]

PostModern Filmmaking agreed

[@hzubovi1]

HLG also looks ok in low light

[@THEDOTTORFAUSTO]

Cine 2- Pro

[@jornhoiggz9143]

Go and fix me the worlds GREATEST CUP OF COFFEE. You have 5 minutes

[@certainlyjoel]

I liked Cine 2 best

[@kushangdholakia26]

Your room looks like a well-designed Wes Anderson film!

[@jakubs.6817]

slog2 ungraded looks best. with graded footage you get lot of stains and weird artifacts on the left wall, at least on my quality dell uhd screen

[@chloe3184]

"...without being excessively noisy..." YEAH I SEE THAT, WHERE DID THE NOISE GO

[@IvanGRANID]

Why such a high iso, even the darkest shadow of picture is overexposed , You can not to set your camera right

[@notchmaster7889]

you need to overexpose 2 stop in order for the image to look good in sLog...

[@carlogiuliani8185]

Hi everyone! My name is Carlo and I’m a wedding photographer in the first place, and I’m approaching video now. I shoot with: Sony a7iii - Sigma Art 35mm 1.4 Daylighy (or highlight environment) setting: - PP7 S-log2 4K (25 fps 1/50) or Full HD (50-100 fps and 1/100-1/200), depending if I want slomo or not Can someone help me in setting the best lowlight profile? I tried with a modified PP2: Black Level -2 Gamma Still Black Gamma -2 Color Mode - Pro 7 Saturation -4 Detail -7 But I’m not so happy of the result, it lost detail and was not the best for moving people at the party Thank you!

[@kronk358]

I'm not going to lemonade my feedback!

[@HarvVideoAudioStuff]

What?

[@paulcolbourne5555]

You look like a young Charlie watts . Lol.

[@drillbit182]

But.......What's the best coffee in the universe? He gets it. All hail Ziltoid