Everything Wrong With Terminator: Dark Fate In Zzzzzzzz Minutes

This movie is just good enough to make you mad about how bad it is. For a half hour, it's ass-kicking fun, and then it goes and gets sentimental about the past and it all falls of the rails. Here are the sins of Terminator: Dark Fate.
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[@TheFacelessStoryMaker]

The REAL sin is that you gave T2 more sins than this.

[@Alamaric]

Longer movie :)

[@Gibtrickz]

It's a longer movie. 😉

[@teanad4407]

T2 will always be the best movie

[@JohnSmith-iw1wd]

Sin counts have no real value.

[@sourswift]

True

[@mattasticwildlife9011]

ADD 100 sins for Arnold never saying "Hasta la vista" in a terminator movie that is half in spanish

[@smoovadatious2356]

THIS! I thought for sure he’d say it as he fell. Would’ve been a sin either way, but STILL

[@wadesimmons7460]

Remember though, it isn't the same Terminator that interacted with John in T2, so this one never would have had a reason to pick that up

[@mattasticwildlife9011]

@@wadesimmons7460 how about the fact its a terminator movie, with arnold, and its a classic line that has been in other terminator movies without arnold. Is that reason enough for ya?? Douchy Mcbag

[@MrPrajitura]

he did say he WON'T be back... *cries in spanish*

[@The155thbird]

More than 1000000

[@iasked8240]

Shooting skill: 0 "The terminator just killed your whole family, what do you do" Shooting skill: 999999999999999999

[@drobostoko5714]

Usually goes to -9999999 from the thoughts that everything and everyone is dead. Seeking revange goes to -9999 but still bar enough.

[@drobostoko5714]

Bad*

[@1993Michoacan]

That is part of the thematic of the woke/feminist films. The woman protagonist unlocks her power immediately. No training necessary. Case on point (besides this parody of the Terminator series): Ray from SW 7-9.

[@panicatthegasstation]

@@1993Michoacan aww, at least you tried.

[@1993Michoacan]

@@panicatthegasstation tried?

[@linkieloos]

That opening scene sums it all up Terminator: Hollywood John Connor: Franchise Sarah Connor: Fans

[@fersho450]

Dani: Feminazi Grace: Feminist

[@ZimCrusher]

Maybe more girl-power would have made the film better. oh... they will fix that next time.

[@goldenbro439]

pretty much that's true

[@kvdjrplays7794]

@@fersho450 real feminist is Sarah

[@Haemoglobuli]

The biggest problem with this "Powergirls" is that they aren´t strong characters like Alan Ripley or (ironicaly) Sarah Connor from T2 or Black Widow. These girls have inner motivations, are hurtable and show emotions and weaks, but these "Powergirls" from Terminator: Dark $hit are just the female version of the "masculin stereotype of Hollywood" that the Feminazis are always critizicing... Do they want equalitiy or do they just want to switch tables??? God... Some Feminists are goddamn horrible

[@chillwillfromtheville]

This movie literally started off with Skynet accomplishing the ONE thing they’ve been trying to do since the 80’s.

[@elykspuz6596]

Destroy the franchise?

[@kirk1701]

@@elykspuz6596 That was their plan all long! Sarah and John Connor were just McGuffins...lol

[@ChaseMC215]

@@elykspuz6596 That, and murder John Conner.

[@GrowingDownUnder]

The terminator was a huge fan of classical music, apparently he was so inspired by classical music he wanted to be a composer & musician. At least that's what I interpreted when he said "I'll be Bach"...

[@ankitgope740]

@AlpahaMale34 or have a inbuilt sniper rifle i mean come on he can make swords can't he just make a sniper

[@RedThorn]

Should have been a hundred sins for "John Connor gets killed, rendering the entire plot of T1 and T2 completely pointless as well as the investment of the audience caring about this particular character just so that he could be yeeted."

[@drzaious8136]

Pointless? Sarah and John saved/extended 3 billion lives and allowed humanity to continue on without a hitch for 3 more decades. How is that pointless? Come to think of it Dani and Grace wouldn't exist if John and Sarah didn't blow up Cyberdyne. Like they say if you go back in time and kill Hitler as a baby, mankind would never learn from the lessons WW2 taught. Allowing another person just as evil to gain power any do the same or worse. Sarah and John were the only two people who knew about Skynet and what it would do. To the rest of the world an escaped mental patient and her son, along with a serial/cop killer from the 80's, blew up a Cyberdyne building because she believed robots were going to take over. So of course the world continued like normal until another "Dyson" came along and built a super AI. I find it more compelling, from a story point of view, that you can kill the leader of the resistance, but eventually someone else will rise up and lead. New AI, New war, new savior. Saying its all pointless is like saying WW2 was pointless because we already had WW1.

[@FishoD]

@@drzaious8136 The entire point of T1 and T2 is that time travel doesn't matter, nothing will change the future. They presented their time travel as there are fixed points in time, like that John Connor will be born, that Skynet will rise, that John will become a leader and that Skynet falls. No matter how much time travel Skynet tried, it won't change a thing. The reality of what we see already counts with time travel and adjusted itself. Similarily to how time travel in Harry Potter worked. So now, suddenly throwing a yet another terminator killing John meant that there never WAS an adult John Connor, completely breaking the entire time travel narrative the first two had and changing it into a completely different time travel style where the world constantly adjusts to changes, so movies like Back to the Future, Looper, etc.

[@LTenhet]

@@drzaious8136 It was pointless because Legion is literally Skynet 2.0, the exact same course of events happen but with everyone Renamed, so nothing was accomplished other htan pushing it back a bit. They could have kept Legion as Skynet, and could you say that there would have been a difference? And if stopping one Skynet leads to another Skynet "No fate but what we make" is kinda pointless to, because no matter how many times you stop it, there's just another one that destroys the future a couple years later.

[@yourstruly4817]

It was the same with The Last Jedi, I suspect that Cinema Sins is some far left guy

[@drzaious8136]

@@FishoD The whole concept of T1 and T2 is, "There is no Fate, but what we make" the future is not set. T1 establishes a loop, but T2 breaks that loop. According to James Cameron all assassins were sent back at the same time by Skynet like a shotgun blast through time. Same goes with the protectors John sent back. Skynet ceases to exist from the moment Cyberdyne and its creator are destroyed. That doesnt mean everything we saw prior to that didnt already take place. Meaning that Reese was still Sarah's protector in 84. The T-1000 as we saw, was still there trying to kill John, despite Skynet's A.I. no longer being developed. So from the perspective of our present day characters, Skynet doesnt get made, but everything that came through time isnt affected by that.

[@ThePigeon5734]

to be fair though the CG recreations of Sarah, Arnold, and John in the opening were incredible.

[@jasonyoungkin1117]

Yes they were, until it ends with killing off John Conner, which was a big mistake in my opinion

[@MarcoKlammer]

The Terminator didn't look like Arnold at all

[@ThePigeon5734]

@@MarcoKlammer Do you mean in the opening or the REV-9? the REV wasn't supposed to look like Arnold but in the opening scene they nailed him for the T-800

[@MarcoKlammer]

@@ThePigeon5734 I mean the one that shot John. That was supposed to be Arnold

[@ThePigeon5734]

@@MarcoKlammer that one looked like him though XD

[@Larry_Ibarra]

I'm not sure what's worse. Genisys making John Connor the bad guy, or Dark Fate killing him off in the first five minutes. Seriously, this guy is the savior of humanity! Show some respect!!!

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

Showing the girl working in a factory is so boring I fell into a coma upon seeing it

[@redpillnibbler4423]

Genysis is definitely worse! It’s a complete cluster fuck,whereas Dark Fate is just mostly a by the numbers rehash.

[@NeoConnor1]

John Connor did save the world. He stopped Judgment Day by the hands of SkyNet. But his job was done. John was expendable.

[@LukeLovesRose]

Agreed

[@alessiocataldi2434]

T1: horror sci-fi T2: action cult Tdf: social drama comedy

[@jjwp-ql5rv]

In England, terminator 1 is rated "18", terminator 2 is "15" and terminator 3 is "12" So you're right.

[@junglejack9954]

Yeah lol

[@Locadel2003]

T3 action comedy

[@ITAtechno]

@@jjwp-ql5rv terminator saga has been pushed down worst than Star Wars franchise 😥

[@shawklan27]

@@Locadel2003 tdf: *it's a tragedy*

[@svnsetsomnia8280]

Killing off John Connor should've gotten 100 sins right off the bat. Edit: Also, using Edward Furlong's return to market the film knowing full well he was in it for less than a minute was shady af.

[@NeoTechni]

Also a Terminator telling his family to evacuate the house cause it's not safe anymore, but leaving it completely intact for the next Terminator to come along and collect evidence. They even burned Dyson's house in 2.

[@svnsetsomnia8280]

@@DarkAttackYT I think they burned his research documents but I'm not sure if the whole house was burned down

[@manwhonose]

Only 100 sins? You're a better and kinder person than me. I would've sinned that shit so hard you'd believe a Movie Sin Counter can cry

[@Quandry1]

Should have given them 100 sins for a few different things. Leaving evidence for the other to conveniently find (a mistake they already learned not to do.) The leaving behind of evidence in the finale (A mistake that they figured out not to do between T1 and T2.) And a few other things like that.

[@nickpheonixify]

it was such a sin I walked out of the cinema and got a refund

[@alchemy5750]

Surprised you didn't point out how Dani tried to CHOKE a ROBOT in the final fight.... Good thing she wasn't the main character in Jaws, otherwise she might have tried to drown the shark.

[@andrewblanchard2398]

😂

[@darvire]

If you think about it, the movie title warned you ahead of time as to why half the scenes are so hard to see. Terminator: Dark Fate

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

WOKE FATE !!!!!!!! John Connor is now a Latina.

[@EvilPumpkin]

Kyle Reese: *It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead!* Carl: Do you want some beer?

[@shade7313]

This one killed me 😂😂😂

[@bretlanier2304]

He's so fucking polite bless him

[@happykittygamer062]

And now that john connor is dead no carl reese 😱

[@deanoooo5287]

CARRRRRRRLLLLLLLL!

[@beauross2442]

Yo Eve P. Fucking funny boy!

[@composerbeef]

This movie wants so hard to be as good as the first 2 Terminator movies that it basically tries to be both of them at the same time. T1- The protector who goes back in time is human. T2- The protector who goes back in time is a machine. DF- The protector who goes back in time is both human and a machine. T1- The evil terminator has a metalic skeleton covered by living tissue. T2- The evil terminator is made of liquid metal. DF- The evil terminator has a metalic skeleton covered by liquid metal. T1- The protagonist is the mother of the saviour of humanity. T2- The protagonist is the saviour of humanity. DF- The protagonist spends half the movie thinking she's the mother only to later find out that she is the saviour. T1- Arnie's character is the bad guy. T2- Arnie's character is the good guy. DF- Arnie's character is first the bad guy and then later is the good guy.

[@theKK_spideyfans]

It’s like poetry, it rhymes.

[@MrMJmusicLover]

You wrote all that and only got one reply in over one month's time. 😂

[@composerbeef]

@@MrMJmusicLover yeah, but I won't scoff at the 111 likes. I'm pretty happy with that result. Plus I've found people mostly reply if they disagree with the comment. If they agree, they like.

[@dakashoes4702]

Matthew Fallaize facts

[@ramonantoniobennett-ryuuke6301]

This movie is ok, but can't touch the first two films. That said, this movie is fucking confusing....? Wait, what are we taking about?

[@adamkalb1]

11:42 I agree. Since David Ellison already brought back James Cameron, Linda Hamilton and Edward Furlong doing motion capture for himself in that opening scene, this part would be a great excuse to bring back Earl Boen. Peter Silbermann was shocked to find out that Terminators were real in T2, after the T-800 threw the other 3 psychologists against a wall or a door and the T-1000 slipped through the locked bar door, so it would be nice to see him again for a minute if he got those Terminator defense mechanisms to help Sarah and her new friends, and apologized for disbelieving her about Terminators all these years. September 23, 2021, 2:36pm

[@jonathanw1019]

I appreciate that you included a time stamp on your reply.

[@keepironman14]

1:45 that is actually a thing tho, i used to work in a factory's warehouse where the building was over 3 million square feet, so all the supervisors/management had bikes, a couple had electric carts but that was because they needed space to carry people around with them since they took people all over the factory for various reasons.

[@AZOMBIERYO]

THANK YOU! I had a supervisor that even attached a little like cart on the back, bikes in factories/warehouses is super common

[@completebilingual]

This is how I watch movies that I'm not interested in enough to watch the whole thing, but interested in just enough to watch this.

[@aaaadit5155]

Bonnie Lockwood this is how I watched the Lion King 2019. Pretty much got the entire story within 20 minutes

[@defencebangladesh4068]

lol yes

[@RasenRendanX]

@@aaaadit5155 don't forget Aladdin

[@nipunarjundhruv3852]

Bonnie Lockwood hi

[@completebilingual]

@@nipunarjundhruv3852 um, hi?

[@SideshowBob44]

Killing off John Connor just to replace him with a strong independent women... ffs hollywood.

[@S4TANAS.]

Barely independent,she didnt give that leader type feeling and she's a useless forgettable character

[@lordthorgorath]

You mean a stoic, uninteresting vagina (a.k.a. Mary Sue) 😂

[@luism2125]

@@justadiamondwithinternetac3662 Nobody is scared of strong women only of killing franchises and of movies that aren't good because of strong women.

[@TheLikenessOfNormal]

@@justadiamondwithinternetac3662 You mean flat one dimensional characters that the writers think "If they don't need any help and can show everyone up it'll prove their strong!" It doesn't, it just makes the movie weaker. Terminator 1 and Terminator 2 were good because Sarah Connor was a real woman, she wasn't this fictional strong woman trope, even in T2. Half the reason the original Terminator movies worked was because Kyle/Ahnold were effective foils to Sarah. Women don't have to be mothers if they don't want to, but I invariably find the strength of motherhood more compelling and interesting then "I DUN NEED HALP AM STRONG" Like Sarah in T1 had to rely on Kyle but showed her immense resilience every step of the way and became a ready student for Kyle to teach how to fight and survive. In T2 we saw her take that further but mostly because she knew she needed to protect her child, something she feels conflicted about because as a consequence of their life she's never been able to settle down or find a good father figure for him, which she ironically realizes Ahnold is a good choice. Its literally the difference between Black Widow and Captain Marvel. One of them is good and complicated and has emotions. The other is overpowered so that they can clearly be the strongest so they can be the new leader despite being the worst character in the movies and having one of the most unsuccessful comic strips of all time. And literally being the iteration of Captain Marvel that is the closest to being a fascist and is unironically the most villainous because she would wipe out whoever the government pointed her at, including other heros.

[@djhuckfield]

@@S4TANAS. because her character is not supposed to be a leader, she's a bodyguard.

[@alvexok5523]

1:45 - it's not as weird as you'd think. I worked at a factory once with bicycle riders, it was a large factory and there were these 2 bicycles with a wagon attatched to the backs of them, for carrying products from one section to one on a far end of the factory more quickly, and it did save time

[@agonleed3841]

well, in my factory it was just the managers getting around faster/easier than walking. they weren't carrying shit

[@mtsaqif267]

The thing that broke me so much is the fact they removed Skynet Completely And the fact that the "evil" T-800 was so willing to help, doesn't make sense also how if The T-800 kill John, then humanity wouldn't win against skynet instead creating Legions

[@ayushdeshmukh284]

Skynet was already gone before John died. It was impossible for it to exist by that point. Only Legion could, well into the future by several decades, relatively speaking.

[@SpellNcheck]

Missed opportunity to add 100 sins right at the start with John Connor getting killed off.

[@fersho450]

I thinked that he would do so too XD

[@450AHX]

It's Alien 3 all over again!

[@rickyrosay33977]

@The Krimson Kommando 100,000 sins for that

[@nickstigs9088]

@@rickyrosay33977 100,000 is really generous

[@thecatfather857]

@@rickyrosay33977 Three billion sins for that.

[@Alknix]

-Carl, did you kill that kid? -I most certainly did not! Killing kids is absolutely my least favorite thing. -Then what happened? -I was walking by the beach. -Uhuh. -I saw that kid with his mother. -Go on. -I walked up to him and shot him in the heart. ... ... Ca-a-a-arl! That kills people!

[@Spessforce]

"I had my programming, that only killing kids can satisfy."

[@danteauditore6220]

What happened to his hands? -Wh-what? -His hands why are they missing?

[@peaches365]

@@danteauditore6220 I uhh.. ate them.

[@Th3BlackPhoenix]

Can you tell me the reference? TWD? Or C16 from Team Four Star?

[@Th3BlackPhoenix]

@Jeffery Jefferyson Oh right, that brings back some old memories lol

[@mboyl5256]

Title: Everything wrong with Terminator Dark Fate Me: Easy they made another movie when 2 should have ended the franchise and it is just honestly garbage

[@largebiff1743]

The terminator now has the ability yo grow facial hair.

[@aayxn39]

I know right howwwwwww

[@evan1461]

Because the skin is human tissue and it ages and grows.. hair

[@xrstevenson]

Because its actual human skin, real blood, real sweat, maybe even real tears. Whatever it takes to blend in completely

[@notluzn]

If you watched Terminator Salvation, the harvest real human skin. Basically, de gloved the entire human body, alive.

[@Wishraine]

I don’t think you watched any terminator movies.

[@annatheblobfish9684]

He should have removed a sin for when Carl talked about drapes, strangely enough it was the most compelling part of the movie

[@adamgray1753]

Which really speaks volumes about this terrible movie.

[@SansTheSkeleton-dn4mn]

No he should of added like 5 sins BECAUSE it was the most compelling part in the story

[@thedrifter5531]

@@SansTheSkeleton-dn4mn you are enabling him to continue his addiction of sinning stuff that he likes or stuff that is good

[@samshouse123]

@@SansTheSkeleton-dn4mn Don't do it!

[@guiltyshoes]

Sorry, what?

[@psiartiness64]

17:33 ohhhhhhh, now I get why the movie is called "Terminator: Dark Fate"; its because most of, if not all, of its action scenes are literally in the dark, so it's hard to tell everyone's fate.

[@OwO377]

Yeah your right it so hard to see in the dark.

[@catmomof2261]

The terminator blasting through the wall as Grace noticed did bug me on the first viewing. Then later she hears a drone others can’t, so she probably heard the wall break in the earlier scene. One thing I liked about this movie is they at least tried to answer many wtf moments.

[@justinhackstadt6677]

You may not have liked it, but Sara saying, "I'm not fucking calling you Carl" absolutely killed me laughing.

[@greatestever184]

Dear Hollywood, Let me fix this movie for you. It starts off with an aging John and Sarah. They realize that if judgement day keeps getting postponed, he may be too old to lead humanity. Then the cyborg chick shows up, seeks out Sarah and John to find Dani. She confirms that John is dead. He died of old age, and before he passed, he and Sarah taught Everything they knew to a girl John trusted, someone John knew since she was a kid. To prove to Dani their story, they show her a Terminator that they kept inactive and in an old storage unit. Dani. Batta bing. I fixed the movie and you didn't have to kill John and you still have a cameo by Arnold.

[@davidmarinkovic2348]

Much better than the movie.

[@Optimaloptimus]

Ok yeah everything fixed hundred percent.

[@xavengerforcex6399]

Sounds more better

[@jaska5403]

Yep. So much better.

[@megatrondeepdownfear]

CongratulationsGreatest ever you smarter then director for deadpool x200 times

[@tron3entertainment]

"I need your clothes, your boots and a good sequel." 😎

[@chickengod1872]

Pops: you won't be needing any clothes Dramatic music Pops: I've been waiting for you

[@oneandonlysound3453]

@@chickengod1872 That movie was 100,000,000 times better than "woke fate." Would've watched a sequel or TV series that would've detailed timeline travel explanations and most likely recast jai courtney and probably emilia clarke too (and not portrayed sarah so bratty, but that was the script people's fault). Also John played by Jason Clarke but human would've been in it and the one that did the "cellular level turning" from another timeline would've been explained. No reason for Cameron to have bought the series without an intention to make a true future wars film that looks like the scenes from the first two films and EVEN Sarah Connor Chronicles.

[@jacksonwireguy2188]

Sorry mate that last one doesn't exit

[@debsirin116]

You forgot to say please

[@creativedoof]

You came to the wrong future.

[@jazzfarer]

Grace: Take my power source. It's the only way. Carl starts to raise his hand to say: Um, I have two NUCLEAR POWER CELLS in my body. But then he realized he had no hand and never got past that first step.

[@theshermantanker7043]

They need an EMP, not a nuclear fuel cell, and no, Carl is a T-800, not a T-850

[@jazzfarer]

@@theshermantanker7043 A nuclear explosion would cause an electromagnetic pulse. You'd have to get the hell away from it to avoid radiation sickness, but in 3 the Terminator tossed his spare out the window of a pick-up truck and everyone seemed fine. They never really describe what exactly "powers" Grace. It's been awhile, but I thought the Terminator in 3 was a T-800. I remember it saying it was selected because of John's attachment to its model number. And I don't remember "Carl" saying what model he was.

[@j.p.6932]

I wondered if I was the only one who caught that. Did a comment get deleted? Because I don’t see any reference to a “T-850”.

[@leekeyser1968]

@@jazzfarer IN T3 The Terminator's power came from 2 'hydrogen fuel cells'. The explosion caused by tossing the fuel cells is somewhat realistic in that hydrogen fuel cells, we have today, can explode under certain cirmcumstances. (usually getting to hot).

[@deadfool3344]

The young version of the 3 characters at the beginning is up there with the best CGI I've scene

[@nthgth]

Yeah I kinda wish the whole movie used them and took place in 1998

[@Vaporvice84]

Biggest sin of all: If John dying at the beginning didn't create a time paradox, and all the sacrifices made in the previous 2 films don't matter, why should Grace care about protecting Dani, and why should we the audience care at all?

[@mcborris6515]

I didnt see this film. Your comment confirmed my worries about this. fkn SJW Hollywood!

[@drzaious8136]

According to James Cameron all assassins were sent back at the same time by Skynet like a shotgun blast through time. Same goes with the protectors John sent back. Skynet ceases to exist from the moment Cyberdyne and its creator are destroyed. That doesnt mean everything we saw prior to that didnt already take place. Meaning that Reese was still Sarah's protector in 84. The T-1000 as we saw, was still there trying to kill John, despite Skynet's A.I. no longer being developed. So from the perspective of our present day characters, Skynet doesnt get made, but everything that came through time isnt affected by that. John dying in 1998 doesn't change or break anything. Yeah it's a paradox, but a paradox isn't what you think it is. John died as a normal kid with no predifined destiny.

[@DanielRichards644]

different timeline, movie says the timeline from the Skynet future never happened, Skynet sent "Carl" and several other Terminators to different points in the timeline before Skynet's Timeline was wiped out, so they are taking the modern cinema view to timetravel, they say fuck the paradox, thats a different branching reality, anyone that came from it is here now but that timeline will never occur.

[@mr.nobody9697]

@@drzaious8136 "According to James Cameron all assassins were sent back at the same time by Skynet like a shotgun blast through time. Same goes with the protectors John sent back" This in itself is a plot hole. Reese clearly states of the T800 in the first film "These are new". This would make no sense because T800 and T1000 wouldve existed already when the first film takes place. Also its a big problem because the would mean that the T800 from T2 and Reese were both sent back at the same time. He also says the whole place go blown up so no more time travel which would then mean he saw the TT2 T800 go through before him. The Terminator franchise has always been filled with serious plot holes.

[@drzaious8136]

@@mr.nobody9697 First time I've seen someone mention this, but it is the one thing all Terminator fans have to ignore. The moment The first T800 went back in time, it's impossible for Kyle and or any of the other Terminators to go back in time. Once the T800 arrived in 84 changes start rippling and the 2029 he left wouldn't be.

[@ashurad_fox5991]

what fans want: "how John finally puts an end to skynet in the future" what we got:

[@999SickBoy666]

To be perfectly honest, when fans *did* get something along those lines _Terminator: Salvation_ they couldn't shut up about how terrible the movie was. The problem isn't with movies - the problem is with the very concept of fandom. DF is a decent _Terminator_ sequel: it's definitely a better movien than T3 and Genisys and, at least in a few aspects, is somewhat better than _Salvation_

[@JStryker47]

@@999SickBoy666 The game Terminator: Resistance did a much better job of it. Granted, John himself doesn't appear until the climax, but his portrayal there was way better than how he was shown in Genysis.

[@oneandonlysound3453]

@@999SickBoy666 Woke Fate better than T3 and Genesis? It was the pits. Even the special effects were total garbage and the whole movie was a clumsily written mess. Felt like a direct-to-video sequel. At least T3 gives off all kinds of signals even if like the others is essentially rehashing T2 showing skynet rising up with it's creations b4 due to time changed, genesis was much bigger with it but needed more support with a sequel to really totally work (would've made a way better TV series). The "judgement day is inevitable" plot was so interesting and we deserved a well done future wars. Terminator Salvation is the same as genesis-there is too much and there isn't enough focus. It also is actually the most successful terminator film in box office numbers and that was during a recession, making way more profit than the other sequels. idk about inflation for T2 but others yep done.

[@freedomlover0352]

@@999SickBoy666 If someone tries to feed you shit you don't try to eat it. You call them out on it. Yes ,we want a movie set after judgement day. A good movie in the future can be done.

[@PirateCat822]

or another salvation

[@AshenDemon]

16:02 The Rev-9 skeleton is weak so and gets thrown around everytime, the liquid can be torn apart without the skeleton so that's why they merge and that's why he doesn't split a lot.

[@jacksonwireguy2188]

What a shitty robot and why not just be a liquid that can't be pushed around while it has the ability multiply several of itself and making themselves the puddle of death

[@nthgth]

It's basically a skinless T-800 and a T-1000. Seems like as separate allied villains they should pose one hell of a threat.

[@justsomedude2020]

I still don't know how that Mexican girl somehow leads the resistance.... John had her mom show and teach him a lot of skillset that's why he atleast knows some military stuff.. That girl on the other hand is a what?? A random teenage girl who somehow has the better chance of winning the war than all the surviving military personnel

[@bananatank9048]

Killing John just makes Kyle Reese’s sacrifice meaningless Because you want to replace it with somebody else instead like why, it just makes the first two movies meaningless

[@ChaseMC215]

Well, not only it makes Kyle's sacrifice worthless, but the whole fucking timeline changed, even though there is no Skynet and no Judgement Day, John Conner is still fucking murdered.

[@ermacjones4821]

Because female supremacy! Uhhh...I mean "feminism"!

[@andrewwang8021]

There is something to be said about the notion of fate with the Dark Fate plotline. Even when disaster is averted, humanity, with the same fundamental pitfalls within our judgement, will make the same mistakes over and over again. The fact that Legion is so incredibly similar to Skynet is a deliberate thematic statement. However, it's almost as if fate dictates that humanity will pull through somehow since the power of the situation will invariably bring forth a new leader, given that there continues to be a defiant minority within the population that remembers the scars from humanity's past mistakes. As long as Sarah Connor's and Carl's exist and understand what mistakes were made before, they will be there to educate and empower the next generation, represented by Dani, who even learns John Connor's famous line about determining one's fate. Despite the seemingly neverending cycle humanity has trapped itself in, it is most certainly the conscious choice of that defiant minority to defy their end over and over again. That's why I appreciate Dark Fate's story. While I enjoyed the deleted ending of Judgement Day, I find it a bit too optimistic that another AI doesn't pop up. Humans will continue to innovate, even when it proves to be dangerous to our own well-being. Dark Fate's message balances the concepts of fate and free-will with one another instead of favoring the latter entirely: just because we keep failing and destroying ourselves doesn't mean we won't try to overcome.

[@ermacjones4821]

@@andrewwang8021 that's beautiful and all, but I think it's time they throw in the towel. Just die with some dignity, they've ruined everything.

[@34RoaR]

Terminator woke fate needed some waman leads, no need to follow the plot.

[@Sketchy_Dood]

Terminator:*slices his arm and pulls off his skin to show his endoskeleton This chick:*slices a fly in half

[@frankwest8149]

But she's so hot

[@Z3R0Steam]

endo*

[@michaelmichaelagnew8503]

@@frankwest8149 She's not hot she's trying to hard to be a guy not a woman.

[@shaktivelrajan6725]

@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 haha yep 😂

[@frankwest8149]

@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 yeah but compared to the other two women she's hot in a rhonda rousey way (sorry if its spelt wrong)

[@SplicerOtter]

“Update: Movie never explains this” Doesn’t it explain she has hyper sonic hearing or did you gloss over that? Lmao

[@felixdekhatt7206]

Came for this comment! Thank you, the universe is in balance once again.

[@diaz6884]

Movie is still trash

[@bigmeatyclaws3278]

So why didnt she hear the drone earlier

[@SplicerOtter]

@@bigmeatyclaws3278 she did hear the drone. You just missed the indicator that she did

[@bigmeatyclaws3278]

@@SplicerOtter No she heard it when it was about to attack, if she heard it earlier then she could of done something maybe alert the other people?

[@aidenlin9878]

short answer: everything Long answer: literally everything

[@Super-Godzilla99]

killing john connor in the first few minutes of the movie should gave it 1 million sins alone. What all terminator fans wanted to see is how john connor defeats skynet not retelling a story that is allready told in t1 and t2 and so on.

[@DMS-pq8]

Exactly! They could have done an entire trilogy about how John leads humanity to victory but no they had to go with some girl power bullshit instead

[@vartougbarsoumian5615]

It was not retelling the story in t1 and t2 it was a aftermath

[@Super-Godzilla99]

@@vartougbarsoumian5615 nope it was peplacing in a very bad way what allready was there. and at last the story of terminator are not going on with this bullshit of a movie it was the same stuff like before. the only terminator movie we se where humans fights against terminators after skynet took over is the movie with christian bale. this movie should be about how humans are winning after skynet took over how john is as the leader of the resitance against skynet and how he managed it to defeat skynet this is the story fans wanted to see nothing else but no there is nothing in there about it. its the same old thing like in the old movies terminator come back to the past to rescue someone because this the main character that defeat the machines, and another terminator comes back to the past to eliminate this exact person just dumber and more stupit. and the hero we all want to see win after more than 20 year is killed in the first 5 minutes of the movie that is just stupid writing and it continues nothing important. it´s like you want to see a superman or batman movie and bruce wayne or clark kent is killed in the first five minutes of the movie and is replaced by some stupid woman that act like they are batman or superman. and nowone cares even the mother doesn´t even care what happend. look in this movie how happy sarah connor is that all her hard work all what she has been trou has no meaning and no result in the end her own son is killed and she acts like nothing is happend nothing is changed and if all what happend before never happend this is just insane. after johns death she should be destroyed because all what she lifed for all suffering she has faced is for nothing she dedicated her life to protect and train her son and now this is meaningless. this is what the movie shows and is about the same stupid stuff happend in the disney star wars sequel crap movies nothing means something anymore everything can happend at all time even stuff that isn`t possible in there universe and womans are mary sues because they can do everything at all times and they know everything at all times no real progrees anymore. I don´t believe this is what james cameron has wanted for the terminator series. this i hope is not the way it should go on.

[@ninjafukwan7]

I love the terminator franchise...and I could care less that they killed him off so quick.

[@eddieazimi5865]

@@ninjafukwan7 terminator franchise is about john Connor fighting against skynet. What exactly did you love about it? Just the robots?

[@rynoopperman5010]

You missed a sin She could detect a silent drone miles up but could not detect 50 border guards with 7 vehicles assembling a 100 yards in front of them 🤔

[@I-speak-U-shut-it]

*THIS ENTIRE MOVIE IS A SIN*

[@gavinator7972]

She could not detect the guards because she wasn’t looking for them, dimwit

[@I-speak-U-shut-it]

@@gavinator7972 Why are defending this movie. It's shit!

[@PvtPartzz]

Make an Everything Wrong with episode for the 1998 film: Sphere. It’s so underrated.

[@magicmulder]

3:23 Call the cops? We all know what happens in movies. "Hello 911, there's a chick and a dude who grow guns out their appendages, and they're destroying muh factory." - "Sir, stop the prank calls. "

[@QuintonMurdock]

Why is there no “military transport plane crashes” cliche. I can only think of two action movies that use cargo aircraft and don’t crash them

[@raymondbiskner6885]

Congo

[@DarthRoe]

@@raymondbiskner6885 They crash in Congo

[@Rqarte626]

World war z

[@thenegotiator2737]

Serigala Art my first thought too

[@otony5219]

Transformers

[@supereldinho]

"The future is not set." Terminator 3: Judgment Day is inevitable. Terminator Salvation: Judgment Day already happened. Terminator Genisys: Skynet's existence is inevitable, coming from Skynet's mouth itself. Dark Fate: We stopped Judgment Day...except not really. Skynet is gone...only it isn't. "There is no fate but what we make for ourselves." Terminator 3: JUDGMENT DAY. IS. INEVITABLE. Salvation: who cares what anyone did in that thing? Genisys: You are nothing but a relic from a deleted timeline -- the whole movie in a nutshell. Dark Fate: opens up by killing John Connor -- what more evidence do you need that nothing anyone does in these movies matters? For a franchise whose main theme is defying fate and that the future can be changed, it has consistently subsisted on sequels that have ignored and outright defied its entire premise. They should change it to: "The future IS set because history keeps repeating itself. There is no fate but that which a bunch of hack writers make for our worthless lives." Some movies just weren't meant to be franchised, like Highlander.

[@chaosryans]

Yeah. Of course Connor was basically supposed to survive to beat skynet, but skynet got sad because they didn't have their favorite rival anymore and killed itself. Then whatever this Terminator thing was said "well I guess I am just gonna kill whomever the camera is pointed at"

[@Boltscrap]

Only 2 has that theme, 1 is the exact opposite, there the fate was inherent to time travel.

[@Brandonhayhew]

The terminator franchise has a one big plotholes and it’s sinking into that hole

[@Kriojinik]

All of this could have been avoided if the original Terminator film didn’t have deleted scenes. The scenes that were cut made T2 unnecessary because it told a complete story

[@Demigod_3scrub]

Like Highlander lol

[@evenindeathistillserve760]

Yeah, the Rev-9 might have the advantage of splitting into two, but when it's fighting as one, it's a lot more powerful.

[@Callist0]

3:21 **JC Denton voice** "You mechs may have copper wiring to reroute your fear of pain, but I've got nerves of steel"

[@PhunnyConflicts]

Despite all those sins, the killing of John just to replace him with another "John" was the stupidest plot ever conceived from a Terminator movie.

[@priscillajimenez27]

Instead of replacing him, they should've 7sed it as a catalist for the others to figure out what to do and pull together to do it.

[@sergiomurillo9930]

Actionfan19 Latina*

[@albertgreen8347]

They had to replace him with a John who wasn't white. They are doing it with TV shows and movies now. Spiderman, Charmed, Friends, I can go on forever.

[@Actionfan19]

@Sergio Murillo Yeah I think I got my generation terms mixed up.

[@Actionfan19]

The Latina chick that the new terminator is trying to kill. After John got killed history made her the chosen one.

[@thefilmwatcher1302]

I don’t think the name “Kyle Reese” was mentioned even once in this film.

[@thisnewnamesystemisdumb]

Who? 😂

[@JesusandKui]

Who? You mean the skynet savior guy.. Naah!! This ain't skynet

[@lykon2201]

Sarah Connors fucking husband u bellend

[@garrettwilson2626]

Whos that? 💀

[@TheDragonballboy]

Whats a Kyle Reese I like melted Cadbury than y'all American chocolates

[@LithiumProductions]

The biggest sin of all was not making Carl an exterminator! (ex-terminator)

[@kirkwatson-ye2957]

Excellent point about just putting the girl's phone in a bag instead of throwing her phone out the window

[@MarStoryTime]

The Terminator franchise is essentially Groundhog Day: we keep seeing the same movie over and over again.

[@katotuft]

MarStoryTime bruh 🤦🏽‍♂️ swear

[@Mecks089]

I mean Salvation was different, not much in any better direction, but different none the less.

[@baconfromhell666]

If it's the same movie, how come it keeps getting worse?

[@michaelpipkin9942]

Fun fact. Ned Ryerson will be back.

[@bloggerblogg5878]

Groundhog Day actually a good movie:D

[@fadebryan8386]

Real life: rev9 kills all of them in less than 30 sec.

[@adamgray1753]

Then walks away with amazing ease during the chaos. Despite it's face being plastered all over the world by the FBI and Interpol the Rev-9 changes it's face and skin color(s) making it literally impossible to ever find again through facial recognition alone.

[@kadelin3318]

Yup. He'd just walk to Dani disguised as her father, ask for a hug and then stab her. But robots are stupid in this franchise. Take Skynet for example, John Connor directly tells Skynet that Kyle Reese is his father when Skynet had him(Kyle Reese) arrested and it didn't bother to kill Reese.

[@shawklan27]

*THE POWER OF PLOT ARMOUR COMPELS YOU!*

[@DanielRichards644]

yeah the Rev-9 was stupidly over powered and it just made it completely unbelievable that they could have survived the first onslaught

[@adamgray1753]

The John Conner Family Tree is now a stump." - Skynet during the Future Wars@@kadelin3318

[@raptorclans]

I totally lost it at "I cannot see shit" hahahahah

[@khonsenmusic264]

About it never being explained "why rev-9 needs to be in one form" I took it as Skeleton is solid object so its more sturdy. Therefor it can be held down and slowed down by physical objects and doesn't have self heal option. However, as a solid objects, it can deliver more power to punches and everything. Liquid form can phase through objects, can shape itself into various objects and of course can reshape and heal itself and skeleton. However it doesn't have any support and can be easily shred to pieces by grace for example

[@agonleed3841]

true and explained to us visually. we saw all of that

[@magicmulder]

My main sin for all Terminator movies is that they keep going on about how killing one leader will totally guarantee a machine win. Doesn’t Skynet know that if one leader falls, another steps up to the plate? It would make sense to kill John Connor or this girl right in the middle of the war, but making sure they never lived to see the post-apocalyptic world only means someone else will develop into this resistance leader role. Case in point: Skynet killed John Connor and Legion was defeated either way.

[@raymondbiskner6885]

Sure, but as we saw in T3, if you kill John Connor, there is nobody at the Communication stronghold after the bombs fall to act as a hub for all the tinysurvivor cells. Ergo, without John Connor, the Resistance never forms.

[@adamgray1753]

Maybe, maybe not, magicmulder. I mean specifically about your Humanity's leader bit. Remember, both in the legitimate Terminator franchise and this bastardized Terminator movie better known as Dark Fate Humanity's Spirit is crushed. Crushed for how long, noone really knows, but eventually a charismatic leader rises. Increasingly more humans rally around this new leader for Humanity. Chances are you are still correct, magicmulder, but said charismatic leader would rise at a later time. The more later a time for said leader to rise the more likely there are not enough humans to repopulate the Earth making victory against Skynet a dejecting joke of sorts. Sure, Humanity would be victorious against Skynet, but there would not ever be enough humans to survive long term. So I think the creation of John Conner's character was absolutely essential for the Terminator franchise. Especially considering his character comes around just as Humanity is about to lose all hope for any form of salivation and give into Skynet from then onwards.

[@carlrood4457]

There's also the fact that if they'd done nothing, the leader would never get the training/information they need to become the leader. This worked for the first movie where it's implied to be a closed time loop. Once changing the future and/or alternate timelines come into play, there's really no point to ever send a Terminator back in time because at best, you're saving an alternate timeline's version of Skynet/Legion.

[@Teh8Swords]

@@mentallyilldarkjeroid5378 Gesundheit.

[@DavidBarkland]

Yes, I would much more have liked the movie to take that route. Like opening it with having John get killed, and then she steps up, and then when we think we get the end after they have defeated the REV-9 she gets killed by something _else_, and then there's a future-war scene where yet another person is running the show. John Connor isn't "the chosen one". He's a good military leader driven by the human will to survive. There's bound to be more where that came from.

[@MichaelDelvalle-nt4gp]

"this is our kill box" lmao that cracked me up. shes a factory worker with no combat/weapons experience at all.

[@georgebailey8179]

Exactly. Each of the three people she was with had far more experience and training in those things than she did. But they all listened to her unquestioningly. Compare that to T1, where Sarah defers to Kyle's experience whenever she can. Leadership is not telling people what to do, it's making use of the strengths of your entire team, including knowing when to ask experts for advice.

[@tjg801]

On top of that, she becomes the resistance leader...I want to know how the hell that happened. She had to of been successful. She did t send grace back for 15+ years after she saved her. How where they surviving for that amount of time?

[@qweqqweq2090]

@General Grievous ya that's true! I used to not know anything about military tactics and weaponry until I shot a watermelon and now I'm a five star general.

[@cheese3712]

Sarah Conner was just some random woman

[@tjg801]

BlackShadow935 gamer tag and he didn’t all of a sudden posses all of those skills. Based off the movies, it took years for him to learn that stuff, not a couple days. If modern movies where not so hyper SJW, she would not of either....but because Hollywood is the worst offenders of everything they claim to be against, they need to go to the extreme to try and show they are “woke”.Its even worse that ppl like you fall for it.

[@alienape3171]

1:45 I used to work at Bridgestone in Nashville Tennessee and they did ride bikes around.

[@forhadrh]

3:31 - I believe she has some special sense. She spotted a drone on the sky that's otherwise impossible for normal human to catch. Maybe she senses the unusual heavy vibration on the ground and guessed a truck coming from side 🤷‍♀

[@TheWwwyzzerdd]

Not gonna lie, I would totally watch a "Carl: The Terminator Drape Salesman" movie.

[@wrxhex]

Rusty Shackleford still would be more interesting that this sadly lmao

[@liamwarner5749]

I'll be back with the the paisley pattern.

[@BoxxyFan]

Nice reddit comment

[@javisoprano1010]

Rusty Shackleford facts 💯

[@javisoprano1010]

Rusty Shackleford facts 💯

[@samuelruales1497]

So she has a POWER core and you're telling me she needs drugs.

[@WildboyXL]

That's wtf I said

[@bananian]

She's just an addict on top of being an android.

[@sebastianjoseruizmorales8534]

TX from T3 was way better than Grace

[@burningfury4065]

SHE’S A FUCKING DRUG ADDICT!

[@ramonantoniobennett-ryuuke6301]

Great, a cyborg crackhead...... Who is given a mission to protect someone important! What's wrong with this picture?

[@morrisergeo]

‘How does he who? How does he what?’ Sums up every Terminator model since the T1000

[@joshschannel6232]

What about T-800 kills Sarah Connor, not killing John?

[@thestainless2411]

I’m surprised he didn’t sin the fact that Carl keeps a photo of his van on the fridge, and how plot convenient it was.

[@kosmicoverdose1443]

That woulda been a good sin. But Cinema Sins isn't about that anymore. Now all Jeremy does is make and jokes in an attempt to make the audience like him.

[@justinrandall5907]

I would've believed it if Carl had kept a business card or a refrigerator magnet with a company logo on it, but no it had to be a literal physical photo of his van (not even with his family in front of it, like a celebration for opening his new drapes business) and just the side of the van with the logo for no apparent reason, for the sheer purpose of lazily explaining how the Rev-9 found them.

[@pivn7204]

This story destroyed the whole Skynet/Legion thing and has made all futere Terminator movies pointless. Killing John was very important for Skynet/Legion, so important that they made a timemachine and send a terminator back in time to kill John. But in this movie John is killed and still Skynet/Legion send terminators back in time to kill humans. So if it doesnt matter if John gets killed, why would it matter if this girl dies?

[@EatAnOctorok]

Skynet was prevented in T2's present, so Skynet no longer existed in the future. But before they faded out, they sent back one more Terminator to kill him. Without Skynet being invented, humanity can't learn from the mistake that Skynet was. So someone created another super-AI, but instead named it Legion, because they didn't know it was a bad idea due to the fact that Skynet wasn't created. Now normally, John Connor would have simply founded the same resistance in Legion's timeline that he did in Skynet's timeline. But since that last pre-erasure Terminator killed him, he ended up not being the founder, and instead someone else, perhaps later, was the founder. Still incredibly stupid, because John's death should have still affected Skynet's timeline and not just Legion's, and they should have sent another guy to stop Carl. And hell, all the people who knew John in 98 should have banded together to prevent Legion's inventor from creating it.

[@Montesama314]

That was exactly the question I had. If John dies and it doesn't matter, then Rev 9 might as well have just killed Dani at the first factory encounter. Another "savior" would apparently just grow out of the earth like a fungus anyway.

[@schwartzy65]

@@Montesama314 nope, again john and sarah destroyed cyberdyne in T2 events and so killed skynet... After that john becme normal kid again and not the leader of resistance. If dani dies now there is no leader in the future. And they have destroyed legion so legion timeline keeps going

[@michaelmichaelagnew8503]

exactly what we see in the future is the humans getting their buts kicked anyways so was it really necessary to send anyone back anymore. It really was not explained.

[@schwartzy65]

@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 humans aactually win the war and skynet last weapon is the teleport device wich it uses before humans get to it

[@JL-yl8gd]

Are we going to talk about how the rev 9 stole a kc-135 after the c-5 was airborne then caught up to it so quick? Airborne tanker with afterburners perhaps?

[@Zagy21]

Would be cool if they can get Legion and Skynet to be threatened by each other and start fighting through time while also fighting the resistances who unify and exchange knowledge/technology to destroy both Legion and Skynet while they are fighting each other.

[@agonleed3841]

and then it erases and were back to John and Sarah Connor lol. but ecen without my added ended, your idea sounds cool.

[@lopezale2503]

John's death and how disappointing this movie was automatically add 1000 more sins *ding*

[@AjaySalmon]

Whatever sex you're having is disappointing

[@Brandonhayhew]

The terminator franchise has killed itself and every sequel has did nothing but destroyed it the value of the first and second.

[@AjaySalmon]

@@Brandonhayhew *done , not did

[@marshallrojas5943]

The most I got from this is that the narrator is wanting Mackenzie Davis to do some real kinky stuff to him

[@TheFlock83]

The kind of stuff his college girlfriend wouldn’t do

[@Fucisko]

Tbh if it was Mackenzie Davis I'd let her do whatever.

[@EGeorgev]

Anyone that finds androgynous manly lesbians hot is definitely into the kinky stuff.

[@gentblue]

@@EGeorgev Manly? She is pure sports chick!

[@thewolfsogood]

Emil Georgiev Daddy chill shes hot afff and i think shes bi

[@JeffreyDeCristofaro]

"Bitch move, Rev 9." LMFAO 😆 Seriously, that's a keeper!

[@OakkarMg210]

The saucer section separation from Star Trek is to make sure the residents doesn’t get hurt during battle

[@oldmanharley4018]

dude you forgot the biggest narrative sin of them all in this movie: at the end they said they pushed back end of days again by defeating this terminator, right? well that's not ttrue, they didnt change the future AT ALL. in T2 they destroyed the research and killed the main scientist. what did they do in this movie to change the future? did they stop the creation of legion in any way? no? then they did nothing and we're all fucked in a couple years tops. how is nobody talking about this issue?

[@makeda6530]

B-b-but muh _female leads_ I genuinely do wonder that though since I didn't watch the movie.

[@Myron_X]

I don't think that the goal was to got the war again. I believe this time the goal was simply to protect Dani so that they could help win in the inevitable future war.

[@oliviermarchildon8177]

Exactly like T1 actually, Reese was sent in to Protect Sarah, and her eventual son, not prevent the war

[@Myron_X]

Sarah Connor decided to manipulate the future on her own in Terminator 2. John Connor never sends anyone back to try to prevent the war, he only sends back a protector to ensure the survival of the leader of the winner of the resistance.

[@micheljavert5923]

Judgement Day was supposed to have happened decades ago. It keeps getting moved forward and sideways to meet narrative needs. At this point, in order to keep making these movies the "timeline" has to be lampshaded. The Future War is just a narrative conceit that eventually will/has/had happened somehow/somewhen (i.e., a plot hook).

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

Should had given a billion sins for "Killing John Connor" and making all the old movies irrelevant

[@ErebosGR]

During the narrated intro, no less.

[@connorfruth4120]

Absolutely! I couldn't agree with you more on that comment. This movie was a disgusting spit in the face to "The Terminator" (1984) and "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" (1991). Tim Miller is such a bastard for doing this barf bag of a film.

[@xscythe67]

Not sure whether you're referring to the first 2 films or at least up to 4? 🤔

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

@@xscythe67 1 and 2 mostly. 3 can be as well but fuck that one and specially Genesis

[@androzani84productions85]

Demon Lord Gaming it doesn’t make them irrelevant. It simply gets rid of their conflict so it can introduce a new one, divorced form the originals.

[@michaelcastro5339]

Another missed sin, Arnold clearly stated that he "never" had sex with his "wife", not sure how that works where terminators come from, but between humans, that is still a thing. Also, the Mexican woman in the movie looks a lot like the Mexican maid he cheated on his ex-wife with in real life...coincidence?

[@ricks5756]

In real life, it is common to ride bicycles in large industrial buildings. Maintenance and inspectors are the most common folks to use them.

[@deathdefying1472]

When they killed John Connor They killed the franchise as well

[@doctorvladandhisbluejaysd2802]

I miss him

[@nileriver922]

They ruin the plot of the hole franchise. Just like the predator

[@MazeDaGr8]

The franchise was dead after T2

[@linusk9181]

Also: The T-800 empties an entire machine gun magazine into the Rev-9's face without making a scratch on its eyes, but then Dani is apparently strong enough to pierce one if its eyes with Grace's power source.

[@jameswaldoch1569]

@R4- P17 which begs the question of how Dani was able to touch the power source if it was giving off heat that intense.

[@LaNguyenBTong]

"No, she's Terminater Salvation." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@artman2oo3]

Oh COME ON. Not one “CARL!” Audio clip from The Walking Dead in the outtakes? Not even ONE??? I’m adding 2 sins! DING DING!

[@Misfits89]

The soonest they killed John in the first 5 minutes of the movie I took off and return it to the redbox

[@AimForTheBushes908]

No you didn't

[@thomasjones4306]

You still use redbox?...

[@j.p.6932]

@@thomasjones4306 A lot of people still use Redbox. It’s cheaper than VOD, and while I subscribe to streaming services, a lot of people aren’t interested in the original series (or other features), and they don’t feature any new release movies.

[@ladyluna457]

Fans: "we want too see Edward Furlong as Jonh Connor again" Writers: "here he is... and now he's dead... But here's the new savior: some random latina woman.. enjoy!"

[@pamoweiberezi5315]

She's just as random as john

[@pamoweiberezi5315]

She's just as random as john

[@BoxxyFan]

*movie bombs*

[@Mup4iit]

A Salvation sequel is all they should have ever done

[@rhrabar0004]

You mean random Latina midget with the intimidation level of a pouty kpop fangirl. This movie was so bad it pissed me off.

[@Jgt612]

Every time I hear “Rev-9” my brain autocorrects it to “Red-9” and it makes me think Skynet was super into Resident Evil 4 so started to name terminators after the guns in it. Imagine a Terminator called The Broken Butterfly though that’d be sick

[@arunkhanna2496]

You forgot that right after dude drops naked into the apartment building courtyard-where he freeze-destroys everyone’s clothes and is seen by a shocked witness-immediately is then at Danny’s apartment knocking on it like nothing happened.

[@adronikos7822]

SkyNet logic: Only send one terminator to kill the target. Also SkyNet: Doesn’t target them as infants.

[@newfacepaula]

or SkyNet just do something to avoid getting noticed by time travelling humans in the past... like i dunno... just be normal "human" and create "not" skynet and remove the humans way of time travel device in the first place.

[@bl4cksp1d3r]

There are reasons why time travel is often done very badly :/ it's such a big thing, you could kill the entire humanity 10 million years BC if you wanted to

[@FreeOpenTruth]

Well it sort of went after John pre-infant.....

[@magicmulder]

gouan 10 // Yeah and thereby also kill the guy who invented Skynet because he happened to be a distant cousin of John Connor’s. That’s why it’s so risky to meddle with the past. Like “prevent the Holocaust and the one guy lives who ends up creating a virus that kills humanity”. That is why you never meddle - you know what bad things happened but never know what worse things would happen if you did.

[@Gamingchairenthusiast122]

Time as story concept is always bullshit because they also manipulate space which at that point make a faster version and send bombs. The funny thing about sending a biological entity though time is that your bacteria could evolve differently which could create a pandemic that has the potential become very deadly. Think of diseases that the native american population endured in the arrival of the spanish.

[@andrewmoreno9056]

Why did they replace John Connor with a very very forgetable character?

[@peateargriffin9932]

Because man bad

[@QuantaSolace]

Feminazis needed their strong female characters despite Sarah already being a strong female character.

[@musicbheem1588]

Feminazis are destrying HOLLYWOOD. even avengers franchise. *Brie*

[@andrewmoreno9056]

I come back 3 months later and forget the forgetable characters name

[@abominog888]

Because they hate white males lol

[@chrisdupuis2523]

The franchise ended with T2, the birth of Skynet was averted, no judgement day, end of story.

[@IvanKinkle]

Actually, bikes in factories is quite common, especially if they are very large facilities.

[@JorgeL721]

Terminator ends with Terminator 2. End of story.

[@Soopytwist]

Yeah but with the alternative ending were John is grown up with kids of his own.

[@yourstruly4817]

I actually like Terminator Salvation. "Ooooooh, good for you!!"

[@spongeboymebob771]

Terminator -> Terminator 2 -> Terminator Resistance. Salvation can still exist as a spinoff. Nothing else.

Terminator 3 has its place (I've mellowed to it and quite like it these days and Salvation was actually pretty good too. Terminator Genytals was fucking awful and Dark Fart... less said the better.

[@2ndamendmentfanboy723]

T3 was actually useful cause it shows how skynet started and the rise of the machines😁

[@MarionetteKazuko]

There's a couple of scenes that bothered me. One was when they're sitting outside of "Carl's" place, Sarah says (paraphrase) "She hasn't noticed that you weigh hundreds of pounds?" yet he is sitting in lawn chair that would bend under an 8 yr old's weight. Secondly was before that, he explains how after killing john and completing his mission, he essentially started learning about humans, etc. In T2 (this movie's prequel) T800 states that skynet sends those units back in read-only mode, which sarah responds with "So you don't learn too much". This movie completely went against that.

[@cadmitral8786]

Spot on

[@ConfidencePT]

This is hillarious. I love the series, wasn't thrilled.with Dark Fate, and can appreciate these little overlooked details. 😂

[@jpcano111]

9:04 dude I'm sinning you for that one

[@Kedrah]

First 5 minutes of this sh*t destroyed everything what Terminator franchise stands for. I know I'm in minority here, but i really liked the idea of Salvation and i think this is the only way to continue telling us more story from the franchise without doing any harm to it.

[@adamgray1753]

Yeah really. Salivation tried a different approach to Terminators. While the execution of said plot twist was handled rather poorly at least Salivation turned into a fairly decent Terminator movie. I also found that Salivation was the incident how John Conner became *the* leader of the Resistance rather than him being somehow defaulted to becoming the leader of the Resistance. I found this subplot to be not only extremely intriguing, but quite necessary for the Terminator franchise to make sense for the Future Wars stuff. I found John Conner not wanting to ruthlessly murder the human-terminator hybrid, at least after a somewhat lengthy chat outside after a murder attempt by John Conner, to be a crucial character development point. A point that helps to flesh out just why John Conner is so beloved.

[@CorthosPryme911]

I agree

[@Kedrah]

@@adamgray1753 ikr, my thoughts exactly. And they literally deleted him just after opening credits in Dark Fart... About more "technical" issue: how is Rev-9 better than T-1000? I had this problem before about the villain-terminator in "T3", and while seeing pro/cons about that matter i don't think these twos can compare to T-1000 abilities (and Patrick's creation) cheers!

[@lovell8983]

you are not alone Salvation is a decent film

[@igorschmidlapp6987]

Yeah, Salvation had BIG problems as a movie (a former vet tech does a heart transplant IN THE FIELD?), but, at least it kept the main timeline intact (screw Genesys). The "time loop" is closed when John sends Kyle back to be daddy... Dark Fate just made the whole franchise pointless. T1, T2, T3, and even Salvation worked along the franchise timeline. Genesys took the first dump on it, and Dark Fate flushed it.

[@sancheezzzy2712]

That opening scene of the terminators coming out of the water was badass, I wish we got more scenes of the actual war instead.

[@Atsuuke]

Same in opening of TF dark side of the moon but noo we gotta focus on boring asS human plot instead

[@kinseward5663]

Salvation could of done a good job of this but nope, its all some shtty story

[@SennaHawx]

Aye. The franchise always teasing us about the war is, imo, its biggest failure.

[@techpriestalex8730]

@@Atsuuke I can't agree more nothing pissed me off the most because of TF franchise focus on humans. That I care nothing about. It's the same for Godzilla movies, all I want to see is the monster fights nothing else.

[@_SP64_]

@@kinseward5663 still Salvation is probably still the best sequel we'll get to T2 since T3 just felt like a watered down version of T2 and then there's the other 2 films

[@angeliqueh3523]

The biggest CinemaSin of all was at the end when the Terminator tried choking Dani to death, instead of just using one of his metal fingers to stab her in the brain. Come on, man! I need to start my own channel called Sins of CinemaSins!!!

[@gingeridous859]

17:55, should have used Sargent Johnson’s speech from Halo:CE to the Marines

[@garymartling6055]

No matter how anyone feels about the movie itself we can all appreciate that Arnold hit that new model terminator with the Boss Man Slam at 11:57

[@chriscraven9335]

My fave finisher as a kid

[@deadmanwalking1930]

This excuse of a terminator movie is a total joke! T1 and T2 the end!

[@taylorwill140]

What is with t2? are you kidding me? Dark fate is far better than those and more intense and huge! I am beginning to believe that people don't like it becasue they can't accept that a canadian actress is better in portraying roles than american women who only have projects becasue they show their tities and glory holes in camera and SHOOT! you have a project baby! angelina jolie do that how many men sleep with her just to have a badass role, scarlet johansson, gal gadot, kate beckinsale, charlize theron, brie of marvel etc... They are different from mackenzie. mackenzie doesn't have to do it to have projects but it seems that people who are jealous of her are doing a lot to corrupt her career. yOU ARE ALl just jealous becasue she can do things without any trying hard unlike our other actresses in hollywood

[@deadmanwalking1930]

@@taylorwill140 You sir take the academy award for moron of the decade! Take your little award and go back to kindergarten. This will be the last time to send a message to you.

[@elchinex4138]

@@taylorwill140 you are stupid dude

[@JJ-zr1wf]

@@taylorwill140 You , my sir are the stupidest

[@garrettwilson2626]

TS was the end for me.

[@TheHelado36]

This reviewer deserves a medal ! Very good job !

[@randomguy8476]

11:53 Idk why the Rev 9 is using his searchlight. It was shown in T2 that the T-800 could see at night. It doesn't make sense that a newer, more advanced model doesn't get night vision