Everything Wrong With Terminator: Salvation In 19 Minutes Or Less

Finishing up the Terminator franchise in time for the new remake/reboot/regurgitation. So, here's everything wrong with Terminator: Salvation, a film so bad that not only does everyone hate it, it's also most remembered for one actor's meltdown on set.
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[@thetooginator153]

“Skynet just wants to keep it competitive.” That’s the best summary of what’s wrong with this movie I’ve ever heard.

[@Demos_Jeff]

TheTooginator I mean skynet is self aware so I’d imagine it has human like traits and it’s not like it really has things to do besides fight humanity so maybe it pulls it’s punches a little because it knows it will get bored when the war is over

[@thetooginator153]

Desmond Jefferson - That would be a pretty funny short story! The AI wins the long war against the humans - then what? Chess until the sun explodes?? Finding trillions of additional decimals of Pi?

[@berengustav7714]

Somebody should write a book about Skynet boring itself to death.

[@barrylyndon5552]

I think the early movies were made before we knew how powerful computers and the internet would become So today, it really feels like Skynet is fighting with one arm tied behind its back and if it used even 2020 level communication abilities humans would be completely fked

[@the_director_vinsanity]

Salvation is an absolute masterpiece compared to what we're dealing with now.

[@calebparker9460]

Larry Foulke was the dark fate actually that bad I heard it was good tho never saw it although I saw genesis and yeah that movie is fucking terrible and I actually liked Salvation I don’t get why everyone hates it

[@superiorsoldier57]

@@calebparker9460 Well, if you think Genysis is bad, then you'll be horrified by Dark Fate

[@calebparker9460]

Subisoldier yikes then probably shouldn’t watch it

[@cangaroojack]

@@calebparker9460 nah man, watch it, it's a passable movie, a great movie compared to genesys, has some genuine badass and fun moments, sometimes it plays too much on nostalgia, but alas it will entertain for the runtime without much sighing

[@calebparker9460]

Aquaman I probably should I’ll never know how good or terrible it is till I see it

[@kylewhite8434]

How is casting Terry Crews as a dead guy not a sin?

[@SenseiDenax]

When i saw this i looked twice to be sure and said to mtyself "is that Terry Crews ?!" i went back few minutes before thinking "i must have missed something" but i didn"t lol

[@kylewhite8434]

@@SenseiDenax At 0:49 seconds in, that's Terry Crews.

[@SenseiDenax]

@@kylewhite8434 Yeah i know that's what i'm saying, i was astonished to see him just to play a dead body.

[@behindthefern2846]

Affirmative

[@brettbaratheon9776]

I just noticed that as well for the first time!! This is the second time I’ve watched this video and I’ve seen the move several times. Ha.

[@matodragonespor5000]

I know I'm late but: Skynet is taking prisoners to study them in order to develop the living tissue used to cover the T800, so those prisoners didn't die immediately but got torn apart, flayed and dismembered.

[@thedragonlee76]

Its also a NAZI death camp/doing experiments on humans allegory.

[@xiphos8219]

@@thedragonlee76 Also, as John Connor exhibited, keeping a large stock of living humans on hand is a pretty solid shield against destruction in case they do somehow figure out a way to just level the city. Yeah somebody will outweigh the needs of the many against the needs of the few, like the angry guy did, but he clearly didn't have enough pull to fully follow through seeing as he you know... Didn't follow through.

[@xiphos8219]

@Spectre N7 Yeah. Also like Jeremy said, with the depiction we got, there really isn't anything to back up the machines are winning viewpoint. Like we're told the whole franchise the machine uprising ended human civilization and threatens extinction and when we see it, it looks bad. But then the entire screen time of the franchise all we see, hear, and experience are the machines not doing that. We hear their limitations; can't send inorganic material back in time it has to be organic tissue, they can't account for human emotion, etc. Then we watch them send these super advanced unstoppable single minded killing machines, who think a dial tone is communication, get stopped every single time they're sent, even the one that's living metal with an amorphous body, who act like humans acting like robots. Like that Episode of Futurama where Fry and Leela dress up like robots to get Bender out of the robot city. That's basically Terminator.

[@MP-vc4nu]

The Humans after 20 years of nuclear winter and Earth is mostly wasteland alike from the movie. How do Humans can have fresh milk from no cows/animals at all, and how do Humans even thrive so well without any fresh food at all? And how can the humans even have a fully functional military air base in the movie?? Are we sure these humans aren't even humans but terminators with super future technology to even create artificial milks?

[@BipoIarbear]

Also we have nuclear bombs , or at least some missiles on that sub , wouldn't nuke prisoners

[@Chimeratics]

Let's just all pretend all the movies after Terminator 2 don't exist, and demand James Cameron finally gives us his Terminator 3. Just like how I'm still waiting for a sequel to The Matrix.

[@braveng7909]

You win the internet today

[@thomasveerman4532]

Brett DiPasquale I hope some day someone will make a live action Transformers movie too

[@IvanFloresArt]

But it would be better if we don't get any more at all, even James Cameron couldn't think of a good plot for a new one, which is why he didn't direct

[@VaeSapiens]

Atleast we got a sequel to Jurassic Park after 22 years.

[@NOTMuzzaFuzza]

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[@donantonio7383]

I personally like salvation and I wish they would have kept going with the future war story instead of sending us back to the past. I like the way you went through the movie with a fear of not knowing when a terminator would show up.

[@custardclips7751]

How could you have possibly liked this abomination? Only the special effects were decent, like the harvester scene.

[@Darth-vade123]

True all the film's copy terminator 2s plot

[@Darth-vade123]

There is one issue with this movie the future war it is not like we seen In t2 and t1

[@Darth-vade123]

The resistance has air support something that was impossible in t2

[@Darth-vade123]

I want more t2 stile future war

[@siddarth_vader]

"WHAT ARE YOU??!!" "I'm Batman"

[@hazk5227]

Haha lol

[@robbiegarza8029]

xD

[@unsound_7]

😂😂😂😂

[@fountaincap]

You ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

[@bumbsquash4374]

I get it.

[@Jean_Pierre_Wehry]

I still believe this was Anton Yelchin's best role. He played a great Kyle Reese. RIP

[@braydenmcpherson5281]

I dunno.. he was brilliant in Charlie bartlett

[@akatsukigirl2009]

This shit? And green room?

[@livinghistory9701]

Him and Chekov. Can't decide which....

[@Esdeath_0001]

Chrysler products are dangerous

[@maryray4960]

He was good in trollhunters too

[@thetigerking2971]

Terminator Salvation: Christian Bale's most Batman attempt at not being Batman In short: HE FUCKING WHISPERS EVERYTHING HE SAYS

[@GiovanniAlckmimRusso]

The Tiger Lord Agreed.

[@ev0lve390]

The Tiger Lord In the Dark Knight, is it really christian bale in the costume or is it a stunt man?

[@GiovanniAlckmimRusso]

EV0LVE that was his voice, not a stunt

[@alanrobinson-orr8748]

Giovanni Alckmim Russo Didn't he play a psychopathic serial killer in one film? That's not really Batman

[@GiovanniAlckmimRusso]

Alan Robinson-Orr yes, American psycho I think

[@TheNoobGreG]

5:50- They had to throw the tire iron, if they threw the gun then they wouldn't have a gun anymore. Duh!

[@calebbrown5857]

Yes Darp Darp, there is this thing called amusement that we humans sometimes indulge in...

[@canadavatar]

Evan Shepherd he means why not shoot at the explorer thing before? or is riskig their lives for saving a few bullets worth for throwing a tire iron at the thing?

[@mikelawrence1556]

canadavatar you not read what he said?

[@We_Are_Borg_478]

Evan Shepherd That's actually pretty funny

[@gordiandres]

Goddamit lmao

[@Ice-Climber]

Can we please create an 'Asian woman knows martial arts cliche' sin please? It's in every action movie now...

[@jasonfajardo8109]

That does kinda irk me a little.

[@NjniaVanDerWald]

Ice Climber but... but... but... they are asian.

[@harixxt]

Njnia van der Wald ASIA POWA (read in strange asian seeming accent that is not actually asian)

[@geminirox8635]

Ice Climber everyone in action movies knows martial arts.. not just asians.

[@Ice-Climber]

mitchell Hardesty Not really. It's usually a white protagonist that is the only guy in the whole film that doesn't have the aim of a Stormtrooper.

[@DavidEllis94]

The main problem with resistance command being on a submarine isn't the problem of the machines tracking it; we ALREADY use machines to detect subs and those things are NOT easy to find on sonar, assuming it's an up-to-date design of ship. No, the problem is communication. You can't establish radio contact with your assets on the surface AND be submerged and comfortably hidden at the same time. The US and USSR both built enormous radio transmitters to send messages with ludicrously long wavelengths that would be able to reach submarines hundreds of meters underwater, but low frequencies transmit data more slowly, so they could only send brief messages at any one time, usually directives to move closer to the surface in order to receive higher-frequency signals. For all intents and purposes, keeping constant contact with a submerged submarine is impossible.

[@coderbert3996]

Chai-nee su quantumu communication and shit.

[@DavidEllis94]

@Valkyrie Sadly not, just a massive military nerd 🤣

[@SunwardRanger83]

I'm guessing that you're referring to the E.L.F. systems Tom Clancy mentioned in his books? Other than that I'm guessing Command would have to only periodically come near the surface to transmit any major mission orders and otherwise leave the day to day stuff up to the various sub-unit commanders at the different bases. And of course after each transmission Command would have to go through a lengthy evasion phase to avoid detection. Not exactly efficient but done properly it would keep the high command relatively safe.

[@DavidEllis94]

@@SunwardRanger83 Yes, that's what I'm referring to. I had forgotten that Clancy mentioned those, but I'm not at all surprised. The problem with that would be that you have very poor communication between high command and subordinate units, as I'm sure you could see, and I just don't see that this would be a very effective setup. You'd be much better, honestly, with a large, stealthy command-and-control aircraft propelled by nuclear engines. Yeah, that's a thing, and yes, those do have their safety concerns, but when you absolutely *must* stay airborne for as long as you damned well please, that's probably your best available option. That's assuming you are able to keep flying food and other consumables up to the people onboard, and have facilities to service the aircraft when service is needed. But of course, the same is true of a submarine.

[@SunwardRanger83]

@@DavidEllis94 Like your idea on the aircraft, definitely would improve communications though I think it might be just slightly less safe than the sub. In truth both plans seem to be overly complex in the logistical sense and if I was in charge IRL I'd probably just split up high command to the various bases. Yeah, definitely less safe but way simpler and it'd let the troops see command taking the same risk as everyone else. I always sorta got the feeling that the sub was a narrative device to show command were cowards hiding away and Connor out taking the risks with his men.

[@Nightfall815]

So SkyNet captures teenage Kyle Reese in order to lure John Connor to them, so they can kill him? Instead of just killing teenage Kyle Reese immidiately and thereby also undo John Connors whole existence?? I thought machines where smart and logical... :S

[@infinightmoon6268]

Jonas Bjerregaard I would suggest that they were afraid of making a time paradox, but that's never stopped them before.

[@jwolfson21]

Jonas Bjerregaard they couldn't kill Reese because if he never goes back in time the terminator remains could never be discovered and thus SkyNet could have never been made.

[@Nightfall815]

Wouldn't that also be the case, if SkyNet succeeded in killing Sarah in the first Terminator before she had a chance to sleep with Kyle? Somehow that paradox didn't stop their plan back then, and that was their original masterplan!

[@jwolfson21]

But the terminator would have still been stuck in the 80s allowing for their creation

[@Nightfall815]

Jack Wolfson How? If Arnold had walked straight up to Sarah and shot, like he intended to do. Found her in the phonebook and then immidiately killed her. Then there would be no factory fight and thus no SkyNet ;)

[@kibblegaming]

Another few sins; almost ALL of the terminators just throw John across the room instead of just killing him.

[@travisdunlap4526]

Simple, its the genius of John Conner, who is obviously an extrememly talented hacker (I mean, what else would be more threat to the machines right). So he hacked Skynet so that everything they "kill" John Conner they instead "throw" John Connor....allowing him to live time and time again.

[@kibblegaming]

Travis Dunlap XD that is an amazing explanation!

[@vaseksvoboda9680]

@cam3lopard Obviously did not disrupt his spinal cord as he could still walk. And he got heart transplant from that Marcus or whatever his name was.

[@jamesvincent4472]

@@travisdunlap4526 what the fuck are you trying to say

[@histguy101]

@cam3lopard He's an action hero. Are you new to the genre?

[@DarthRoe]

IN THE FIRST MOVIE KYLE TIES HIS SHOTGUN TO HIS ARM BEFORE CONFRONTING THE TERMINATOR FOR THE FIRST TIME. SO THAT SCENE WAS A CALL BACK TO THAT.

[@RylanStorm]

He doesn't. He saws off the stock and puts a loose string around his shoulder acting as a strap. This allows him to conceal the shotgun under his raincoat.

[@RageUnchained]

@@RylanStorm you are correct sir!

[@ryuketsutheproto2638]

Did you even watch the first terminator like there was a 2 minute scene of him concealing it under his coat not his arm

[@histguy101]

Having a sling on your weapon is basic etiquette. Securing it to one's self is even smarter. Every good soldier does. It's not Kyle's fault that he doesn't have a fancy 3 point sling and a caribiner clip with a fancy load bearing vest to clip it to. Common sense?

[@Urlastnerve]

To everyone complaining, the scene is just him being taught to secure his weapons to his body. Not necessarily just his arms.

[@playnerfbc9413]

The reason they took prisoners was to use there skin and grow more of it from them for the t 800s

[@Calebmakeshorts]

Was going to say the same thing.

[@GreenEmperor]

Was this mentioned in the movie?

[@Mizzraim]

@@GreenEmperor I don't think so.

[@arieacosta334]

That’s probably a good reason. But with that being said if Kyle Reese was number 1 on the kill list they would’ve of killed him the moment they saw him.

[@blackmamba575]

Why when they've already managed to make a human hybrid ?

[@debbieblackman3650]

Having just heard of Antons tragic death, it is sad seeing how good he was as Kyle in this.

[@sonyfix1113]

yeah, better than jai courtney

[@debbieblackman3650]

I would have loved seeing Anton carry on as Kyle. He could have been really good. Really sad watching it now

[@Narblo]

Wut?? i just find out he died :´(

[@masonalvarez6508]

Debbie Blackman what happened?

[@jarlborg1531]

@ Mason Alvarez He was crushed by his own SUV. The machines got him in the end.

[@JoeEnglandShow]

Y'know what gets me about the whole atmosphere of this film? The weather. In the first few films we flash back (or "forwards") to an utterly desperate post-apocalyptic nightmare war. It's utterly dark and foreboding and violent. But to see it all play out in Salvation... well, to be honest, it's kind of idyllic. I mean, not really, because of the monster robots and all, but I just get this calming sensation by looking at how bright and serene everything is. At least compared to the grungy wreckage we were originally shown. Granted, those glimpses we'd seen earlier emphasized the night, and logically an entire movie would be hard pressed to avoid the daylight hours, but still... even at night, Salvation fails to capture the terrible impression of a global holocaust that the first two movies managed to convey. And there's so much empty space, too. We were originally led to imagine a world crowded with debris and corpses, where private, quiet moments of contemplation would be rare reprieves. Here... Well, it's post-apocalyptic, sure. But as post-apocalyptic worlds go, Salvation has one of the nicer ones I've seen. Another thing, why is John so vehement towards Marcus, anyway? He really seems to have this personal grudge against the machines. And yeah, that's more than understandable given the war, but... think about it. His life was saved by a Terminator that not only sacrificed its life in an effort to save humanity, but demonstrated genuine compassion while doing so. TWICE. And that was a straight-up T-800! Why is it so hard for him to believe that a Terminator could develop sympathetic emotions? He's got more reason to give Marcus a break than anyone! When the "Arnold Model" Terminator appears during the climax, John's vitriol towards it seems rather odd, since it's the face of his repeated savior. I wouldn't expect him to give it a hug, but I can't quite get why he's suddenly screaming in abject rage at the sight of it. Maybe some kind of bitter resignation. Just... Character, y'know? Bale's Connor comes off as just a very typical angry brooding action movie guy. I'd expect him to be a little interesting, seeing as how he captures the respect of all humanity and stuff.

[@NekoSoren]

Wait what? MIR?

[@stephaniesadie832]

+Joe England Bearing in mind Skynet stole the weather from the Matrix's real world weather

[@Terminator-ve1or]

Joe England Wtf happened to the Laser weapons?

[@irllcd13]

+Terminator 1991 They were plasma weapons. Remember the gunshop scene?

[@CrystalLaser]

2:41 - Skynet would make a kill list to send its machines so that when they found specific targets they would know who they are and if they found multiple targets they would know who to prioritize. Also, to allow the human to intercept it allows them to feel like they got information they shouldn’t have, lulling them into a false sense of security. 4:37 - Decrepit old building rotting in a waste land, large machine with powerful jet engines flying past it?

[@alexandrpetrov6812]

After the building gets nuked

[@azyjmexcuseokstop924]

@@alexandrpetrov6812 irrelevant

[@kalebseiler8577]

Shouldn’t all the buildings be destroyed after the nuclear war?

[@thedoctor8527]

Sam worringthon is such a badass, love the movie he’s been in and can’t wait for the future avatar movies

[@bachisthebestcomposer]

Avatar and terminator salvation are my top 2 favorite movies

[@JuICyBLiinGeR]

Maybe he picks his roles based on the scripts and not the pay check ..unlike arnie, stathem, the rock, diesel and that little dude who seems to be the turd Dwayne shat out moments before he was on camera.

[@danielevans545]

Marcus disabled all the defences when he logged into skynet using his Gmail account, that's why the helicopters had no resistance. Pun not intended.

[@ragingocelot4013]

Daniel Evans 😂😂

[@thundercleez7699]

not funny

[@luisparga5707]

Daniel Evans

[@Mind_of_MATT]

People hate this movie. I wonder how much more they would've hated it had they went with the original ending. I still enjoy Salvation. It has interesting elements to it.

[@marcelgardner8497]

What was the original ending

[@jgroth3906]

John Connor dies and they copy Connor's likeness onto Marcus. Kate and Kyle go to see John, not knowing he's dead and a machine is imitating him. The Marcus then shoots Kate and Kyle. Skynet wins. Fade to blaack. Audiences would've hated it, but I would've liked it better than the sappy ending we actually got.

[@dantemcmillan6337]

@@jgroth3906 i much rather had prefered that tbh

[@Tricker-the-licker]

Fuck salvation

[@DocMustafa]

simon may no u

[@agitusg1]

1:25 "Futuristic rain somehow completely cleaned Marcus of that muddy afterbirth" - Why would we want to see a sequence of him changing and washing himself? 7:38 "an axe can somehow lodge into this thing and prevent Marcus from falling" - Its pretty obvious it wedged itself a gap in the plating. The real question is why is there some ejectable plate that forms in the gap in the first place. 9:25 "guy behind her decides to rush her for hand-to-hand" - Its again, extremely obvious they did not want to kill her. They obviously had other intentions. One you cannot fulfil by blowing someones chest in with a shotgun. 9:41 "And... um... sit closer to the fire?!" - She's trying to flirt with the guy that just saved her? Damn you or the script writer must be extremely oblivious to day to day life. *I could go on for a bunch more but am too lazy, felt like this was one weak ass episode*

[@Starline36]

Vincent R a lot of these are

[@jamiestewart48]

Plus the cars at the side of the road sin about them not being charred. They were abandoned like that due to the EMP blast off the nuclear weapons disabling electronics and the cars dying and not coming back on as they're fried.

[@jbdbruybhdhcy]

Just rewatched the both actual terminators. They straight up say it "Killing John Connor in the future after he started the resistance would be meaningless" So they basically forgot their own script.

[@pesokpesok]

was i the only one thinking that CGI Arnold looked pretty convincing in this movie? I saw it in an IMAX initially and actually thought it was him somehow or do i need to see an Optometrist?

[@thbzzproductions3496]

Looked real to me

[@samuraizebra3219]

I weep for humanity

[@CDeeez94]

No I agree with you. it looked convincing

[@Palmieres]

Even though Genisys (spelling?) is god-awful the CGI Arnold in it was scary-realistic, more than in this one, which is also pretty good.

[@YeeMacghyee]

palmieres whats scarier is that wasn't CGI. If you look into behind the scenes footage, that was a PRACTICAL EFFECTS DUMMY. Even if you hate the new movies, their respect for the use of practical effects.

[@croc560]

Did Skynet take human prisoners to help build more machines and kill the ones that try to fight or escape? I think Kyle said something about human prisoners in the first film didn't he?

[@duel4ever2012]

John Roig I'm pretty sure it was using them as slave labour. And then using them to harvest the skin and stuff for it's terminators until it could make a synthetic.

[@SafetyBunkerStudios]

John Roig They pretty much lined them up for death row. They used some for labor and others to study so Skynet could figure out how to make regenerative tissue for the t-800's.

[@arnoldalvidrez6510]

I believe the prisoner bit is for psychological warfare. The humans have no idea what happens when they decide to kidnap folks and that's far more frightening than a simple death. Also, I imagine having humans onsite keeps the humans from simply blowing shit up because they worry about their fellow man.

[@thejordannoton]

John Roig Slave labour and death camps, think Nazi Germany. Reese says it in the first movie. Also, Genisys actually has a pretty cool explanation for it.

[@fearhungerpride]

John Roig The Nazis war machine was based on slave labor. It is more profitable to work people to death than to just kill them. Sure it is inhumane, but hey, Skynet is a machine and machines don't feel pity or remorse. lol

[@Spar10Leonidas]

I enjoyed this film (and I liked it a lot better than T3), but the impression that I got from the first two Terminator films was that John Connor rallied up the broken and desperate remnants of humanity (starting with people who had been rounded up and place in slave labor/death camps, including Kyle Reese) and actually started the Resistance, being the top-ranking leader of it from the beginning (hence, the entire point of Skynet sending Terminators back in time to keep him from starting the Resistance). I never pictured the war against the machines having military commanders from before Judgement Day, but the Resistance in this movie had people that outranked John Connor who even try to strip him of his command. The reason that I interpreted it the way that I said above is because of the way that Reese described it in the first film, and his story indicated to me that humanity was hit so hard that they were on the brink of extinction (unfortunately, I can't find the video online so I'm relying entirely on IMDb quotes for verification). Reese explained that he grew up after Judgement Day and spent most of his time trying to survive while hiding from HKs until he was captured and put into a labor/death camp. This gave me the impression that either he somehow wasn't aware of any Resistance or, more likely, no significant rebel force existed at the time. So, considering the fact that Skynet was built as a defense network computer, I figured that it determined who would most likely be its most significant threats, that being any and all militaries, and successfully wiped out virtually all of them, either during the initial launches of Judgement Day or in the early hours after. And Skynet was successful because they were caught off guard. Here's the exact quote of what Reese said to Sarah when he explained things to her in T1: _Some of us were kept alive... to work... loading bodies. The disposal units ran night and day. We were that close to going out forever. But there was one man who taught us to fight, to storm the wire of the camps, to smash those metal motherfuckers into junk. He turned it around. He brought us back from the brink. His name is Connor. John Connor. Your son, Sarah, your unborn son._ So, I got the impression that the reason that the Resistance was so successful and why the military around the time of Judgement Day failed was specifically because John had prior knowledge of Skynet, the machines and Judgement Day and he probably knew how to fight them thanks to what he learned from his mother. And since John wasn't in the military, Skynet had no knowledge of him and, therefore, had no reason to target him until after the Resistance started. Despite all that, as I said I did actually enjoy Terminator Salvation and I really would have liked to have seen a sequel to it, especially if it depicted John taking over what remained of the Resistance at the end of this movie and finally leading his own effective campaign against Skynet and the machines. I probably wouldn't be complaining too much about the discrepancy that I was talking about if they had gone this route instead of what we're getting with Genisys.

[@futbolluva]

Spar10Leonidas And even the discrepancies that you mentioned aren't that far off from what happened in the movie, so I really don't get the hate that this movie receives.

[@Acrnavy]

To be fair there are a lot of inconsistencies in the series. T3 ruined the whole idea of being unable to change the past and salvation repainted the whole apocalypse.

[@Spar10Leonidas]

***** You actually brought up something that I forgot to mention in the OP. I could accept that some of the discrepancies between Reese's story to Sarah and what we saw in Salvation could be explained as being the result of an alternate timeline, such as maybe his time in a labor camp and that being where he met John. However, there were some that still wouldn't make sense, such as the military still being around. I would imagine that Skynet would be smart enough to strike virtually all military targets during Judgement Day or very early after that, to the point that there wouldn't be a well-organized Resistance prior to John taking control of the situation.

[@olofnoaksson1387]

Thank you. Everything you wrote is perfect. I feel the same way.

[@Spar10Leonidas]

Olof Noaksson Thanks for the complement!

[@falcomaksim3320]

6:19 no they are taking prisoners because they need real flesh for the new terminator models jesus

[@kvdjrplays7794]

DOGE yeah for the t-800 which has living tissue

[@Gary-pe4ce]

Skynet already makes fabricated tissue and blood they use the prisoners to blueprint more designs

[@the_director_vinsanity]

Templates, they need a person to serve as a design template to base new infiltrator models on.

[@VJETRA]

then why all the t800 have only arnold skin?

[@piqey]

I was going to say this but realized it kinda defeats the purpose of the video

[@konnorrockkonnoisseur4970]

3:35 okay I’m gonna have to speak up: clearly the tape played in Salvation is not meant to be the same tape from T1. It’s number AND dialogue are different, so it seems pretty obvious it’s a different tape. In addition, Sarah made at least 28 tapes (I don’t know how many she made total); it’s incredibly unlikely that Kyle Reese is only talked about in one tape. *Cinemasins Sin Counter: ♾ +1*

[@grondunn9707]

Also Marcus was a cyborg. Not a robot.

[@gwenbathory6656]

It actually makes sense, all the time paradoxes and all. It could have been from an alternative time line.

[@TheStarcraftJACKAL]

The Terminator: The future is dark. Terminator 2: We've won. Terminator 3: SIKES! Terminator Salvation: You're all terminated.

[@alexisyanez8666]

MJk Slasher And Genesys??????

[@TheStarcraftJACKAL]

Alexis Yañez Haven't watched it yet. Heard it was the first of a new trilogy, so I'll reserve my judgment. :))

[@alexisyanez8666]

MJk Slasher OK.

[@SeaChange327]

MJk Slasher For judgement day? As will I.

[@alexisyanez8666]

FUBAR STALKER It is true, has many plot holes.

[@L0LWTF1337]

The worst thing in this movie was, that they are supposed to be fking guerrilla fighters against the Machines... Since when are guerrillas so well equipped? They got tanks, Helicopters, submarines... they act, walk and talk like they are trained soldiers. Wtf. Makes it totally not in line with what was told in the last 3 movies.

[@kenetickups6146]

I think this movie actually portroyed a rebellion that wouldn't be wiped out within 5 minutes, like the ones shown in the other movies

[@cpob2013]

Well, its not that long into the war, I guess the resistance is mostly remnants of former militaries, with SAMs, AA guns, artillery etc so they can actually hold some ground with commited resources. It IS a war. It doesnt have to be the Empire looking for the hidden Rebel base. This side has this territory and this side has that territory.

[@txt4673]

John Carver They would be wiped out within 5 minutes if Skynet got their shit together and actually thought things out before attempting to kill John

[@marshmallowok]

L0LWTF1337 The premise of the whole franchise is the machines lost the war in the future because John Conoor is so awesome. The time travel stuff was a desperation move.

[@firebird9594]

Shea Butters or if they built some more fucking nukes and put their AI in a under ground bunker.

[@gor9027]

The last two Terminator movies make this one look like a quality movie.

[@calebparker9460]

gor9027 never saw the newest I heard it was actually good but idk I actually liked Salvation a lot though Genesis tho was fucking awful

[@freeyourmind1529]

gor9027 agreed

[@freeyourmind1529]

No Name I’m glad I’m seeing more people saying that they actually liked Salvation, and Dark Fate sucks ass. It completely reconed every other movie, it tries to be a “woke” and “ female strong” movie and is basically so shitty that I can’t remember 91% of the whole movie. I’m tired as hell though........

[@SigmentKurosai]

Maybe so, but it was also the one that set the trend of Skynet being more meta than a salty D&D player, so I'll never not give it crap for that. The fact that its plot it built on knowledge that Skynet should not have at this point, with absolutely no logic or reasoning as to how it acquired that knowledge, is one of the biggest flaws in this film. It just expects people to be okay with it because the audience knows why these people are relevant, even if Skynet shouldn't yet.

[@marisaa.tamayo]

dark fate SUCKS

[@ziljin]

0:47 Terry Crews scene cut down to a second cameo as a corpse 1 MILLION SINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@behindthefern2846]

Affirmative

[@nexusshark]

Fun fact: This "human prisoner thing" is actually consistent with what Kyle said in the first movie when he said that he and a view others were taken prisoners for slavery or something. It still doesn't make any sense though.

[@NYBoi-yi8up]

I assume it's so the place is cleaned, you know regular Labour that the machines we not to do i guess

[@killswitch7936]

They used the prisoners to harvest the flesh blood, hair etc that was used for the new infiltration units.

[@Here_is_Waldo]

It could also be a morale thing. Capturing prisoners makes the humans less likely to bomb the place knowing they will kill innocents. Or a way to inspire fear and hopelessness in the resistance. Although DNA harvesting seems likely.

[@trod146]

nexusshark few*

[@JayBelafonte]

Skynet uses humans similar to The Matrix, it's actually the same Universe

[@tacosupreme1014]

I like the end shot of John being stabbed in the heart it's like metaphor for what it feels for terminator fans to watch this movie

[@aramisaac4292]

So true

[@wombocombo1284]

Haha lol

[@diegokaqui60]

as a fan of the movies i aprove this one.....

[@tracytron7162]

taco supreme please proceed to alt + F4 and go see a scichiatrist

[@JoeelGaucin]

Idk I actually really liked this movie but then again I liked the constantine movie and the bladerunner sequal

[@SageSea1]

This movie has a lot of sins, but a lot of moments to take sins off. This movie is really under appreciated in this video

[@TraustiGeir]

Define "under appreciated" when the title is "Everything Wrong With [_]".

[@theshakter]

6:21 Actually if you care to watch the first T movie you will notice that Kile reese talks about Skynet wanted prisoner's to work.. so no, it wasn't a Movie sin

[@infinightmoon6268]

Teddy Oneill It was still a movie sin, because there's no way that even makes the least bit of sense. They are robots, who can make more robots with several times the strength of humans. WHY would they need human slaves?

[@theshakter]

Well in the first T movie Kyle Reese did say that he worked as a slave by digging bodies

[@schwarzerritter5724]

+Teddy Oneill The factories here look fully automated.

[@starcrafter13terran]

+Infinight Moon I'll play devil's advocate here and say that maybe they need them to study human behavior to infiltrate the human resistance more easily?

[@NekoSoren]

Uhm...don't they have full access to the internet? at least this skynet? I mean they have so many info with just that i doubt they need to study humans...so...only option left is using them as resources to create the fake tissue for the T-800s...but then again they could easily craft that... Maybe they just trying to enslave humans for the sake of it? o.o Because nothing else comes to mind other than Skynet figuring it would get bored and just kept humanity alive to keep the resistance alive and so have fun? o_o

[@TimeBomb014X]

I personally enjoyed Salvation, it's not as good as the first 2 but still

[@jackpark9463]

It's better than 3 and 5, I'll agree. It tried to go in a different direction with the franchise and that's a good thing. The issue is it failed because of its convoluted, awful plot and bland characters.

[@TimeBomb014X]

Jack Park Yeah it still makes no sense that Skynet would see Kyle Reese as a major threat

[@jackpark9463]

Absolutely, it's still shitty writing. It's just ever so slightly less shitty than 3.

[@tokisakikurumi9733]

The ZombieMan i don think so, 5>3>this horseshit

[@YoeLuis87]

+Tokisaki Kurumi No Terminator 3 and Salvation are way better than Genisys whether you like it or not and Salvation is not horrible as many people say it just only their imagination many people like the fourth film and i really enjoyed that movie much more than 3 and 10 times more than 5.

[@RemoteSynergy]

Fuck me but I actually think that Salvation is better than 3. Not by much but it's better

[@DirkAustin]

RemoteSynergy But it has no ass and no good acting, yea it was only Kristanna acting for shit but better than this crap.

[@Botskiz]

RemoteSynergy I absolutely agree. Salvation is boring and forgettable, yes, but the best thing I can say about Terminator 3 is that it perfectly captures what I imagine a parody of Terminator 1&2 directed by an actual Terminator to be like.

[@rebeccaliar9873]

RemoteSynergy Well, at the very least, I suppose Salvation has a bunch of cool new designs for Terminators. 3 just had the Terminatrix.

[@DirkAustin]

Nathanael Unger Which was badass, except for the blood taste test orgasm scene. That made no fucking sense.

[@pjsmith97]

DirkAustin Thing is, I'll argue that no one really did that bad a job of acting is Salvation. They had to work with a poor script, that's the major problem of the film.

[@XxUltimateGodzXx]

Actually skynet does know about Kyle Reese. This is the 2nd timeline and skynet saw the footage from 1985 with Reese telling them about the war and time traveling. So yeah, they can know the significance of him.

[@happybeingmiserable4668]

And yet they don't kill him once they have him and realize who he is, they let him live!

[@manovonor]

How do they know him? Wasn't almost every record destroyed during the nuclear war? Anyway, they shouldn't know anything from the first 3 movies, as everyone sent to the past was destroyed/died.

[@Stubbies2003]

@@happybeingmiserable4668 And at that point this should have been a sin and cinemasins saying "roll credits". It is such an obvious plot hole I'm shocked it never came up more.

[@chance_ondriezek99]

There's no real reason why you haven't done Interstellar yet!

[@randylion2]

Chance Ondriezek lol he did

[@randylion2]

opps gravity

[@stevennollan6436]

Chance Ondriezek he's likely already started it just takes so long because that movie has an enormous amount of sins

[@4disndat2unme]

Chance Ondriezek Too many psychotic fanboys. Pretty sure Cinemasins would rather like to keep their heads and testicles in place.

[@ARighteousman]

Chance Ondriezek hoo-dini

[@Charagrin]

Did they cast Terry Crews for a single dead guy shot?

[@theinquisitor8590]

Here is the answer 2 years later: Yes. He is Captain Jericho in Terminator Salvation.

[@OneofInfinity.]

Terry likes playing dead in movies I bet.

[@jezebulls]

Wasted talent

[@justing1474]

Hey I was like is that Terry, then like nah couldn’t be, then I saw this n laughed, gwan bad boy terry 😎

[@Robin-eq7uz]

Charagrin he was cut out of the movie

[@pangerangaz2160]

Any character in a movie: *speaks* CinemaSins: *ding*

[@konnorrockkonnoisseur4970]

Also I’ll say this: despite this movie’s flaws I loved that it made the T-800 a freakin powerhouse again. With what we know about the T-1000 fro T2, the T-X from T3, as well as other Terminators from comics and lore, it would seem difficult to make the original Terminator look like something to be feared, but they accomplished this to great affect, despite its short screen time

[@hunterkiller1440]

How the hell did Skynet know about Kyle Reese and John Connor's relationship?

[@mitchellhood8320]

I would guess it accessed police and mental health records from when kyle got arrested and when Sarah was instatutionalized. The police records would have at least indicated that Kyle was the one sent back in time to protect Sarah and depending on what Sarah said during her ravings she might have even named him as the father of John.

[@sparticus214]

hunterkiller1440 John met the cybernetic orgasm

[@gc3k]

And why does their relationship matter, when John Connor is already alive? Even in Salvation's timeline, Reese already went back in time he doesn't need to do it again

[@SoulbentAnime]

David Curry its probably for in case skynet develops time travel in this timeline and send back another terminator to kill another Sarah Conner in the past. John connor was already weary of them developing the t800 earlier than in the other timeline. That's the best I can come up with. That and he's was his dad. Skynet probably wants to kill him because it somehow found out Kyle from another time was sent to protect Sarah so that's why he's important. It's kind of weird skynet knowing their importance but like a guy said earlier they probably looked at records from before the war.

[@gc3k]

That kind of makes sense, although Skynet would have to kill an even younger Sarah Connor, since this timeline should always have a Terminator in the past (I despise Terminator 5, but it makes sense that they'd have to go further back in time to protect/kill Sarah because the events of T1 is already set. Skynet killing young Reese in this timeline won't change the past)

[@youresotall7126]

RIP Alton Yelchin

[@venkatakailash4622]

anton*

[@sou1sp1r1t6]

You're So Tall he was so young

[@aliciabell6688]

You're So Tall I wanted to tell myself it wasn't him. I miss him being here.

[@nthgth]

I actually thought it was Tom Holland at first, but yeah, RIP

[@alfredwang7607]

😥

[@Rodgerinho]

You know what's most wrong with Terminator, since Terminator 1 and 2? The Terminators are NOT efficient killers!!! Terminator 1, the T-800 punches a guy in the chest, and RIPS HIS FUCKING HEART OUT!!! It then goes on to shoot a gun store owner point-blank, brutally kills all the other Sarah Connors', tears up an entire police precinct, fucks up multiple passersby, it's genuinely dangerous! Terminator 2, the T-1000 and T-800 are both murderous and efficient killers, the T-1000 kills and tortures plenty of people, including cops, passersby and John's foster parents. Terminator 3. The T-X makes a dumbass comment about a cop's gun and then we fade to black :/. Then Catherine's boyfriend bites it. Again, fade to black. There's no sense of the T-X or the T-850 being dangerous, they're just along for the ride. Here's a rule that should be observed in any Terminator film: if the Terminator makes it within arms reach of you, you're fucking dead! It's a giant machine with super strength, if it can punch through your chest, it can rip your limbs and head clean off. No more bullshit brawls and fights with the robotic monstrosity, okay? As for this nonsense, Terminator Salvation is just completely wrong, it's just wrong. We've seen the vision of the future. They don't get any joy from freaking assault rifles! They had futuristic weaponry in the flashbacks, and they used explosives, obviously, because small-arms fire is virtually useless against Terminators. It's disappointing that the Terminator apocalypse we saw in the original movie still looks better than what we got. Where are the armies of T-800's marching around the wasteland looking for humans? Where are the underground shelters that they used to refresh and resupply? Where are the infiltrators T-800's disguised as humans? Seriously, okay, seriously for a second. Stop trying to be too clever about this, Paramount, Skydance, whoever makes these movies. Stop trying to be too clever, stop trying to M. Night Shayamalan us with twists, just give us the story and environment we saw in Terminator 1!!! It's good enough without any of this extra bullshit!

[@oxykilldone5113]

Rodgerinho Also get rid of this PG-13 shit, Terminator movies should be rated R. PG-13 ratings are ruining lots of movies these days.

[@bifflechips-t5r]

Rodgerinho I didn't see Salvation, but I think you hit the nail on the head right here. The Terminators should be deadly far more often than they seemed to be here, or in T-3 for that matter.

[@Rodgerinho]

oxyKILLdone Damn right. In Salvation there's a scene where a T-600 uses a freaking minigun on a guy trying to escape, and they treat it like he got hit by an paintball gun! He gets a chance to go "ugh" or "ow" or something, looks on in disbelief, then slowly falls off the wire. It's a freaking minigun! It's going to cut you clean in half! Get rid of PG-13, this is a film whose name literally means, to kill, they're assassin and execution robots. It's not a kids film, never has been, never will be. Jason Lasica Definitely mate, they've made them far too soft, it's beyond a joke. I'm hoping the new film showcases them properly. Hopefully

[@daggusmaximus177]

***** "Typically the subject being copied is terminated"... also the terminators leg was damaged by being run over by the truck just before

[@Rodgerinho]

***** The Terminator catching them in the first film? Seriously, I'm not even going to tell you, just go watch the end of the film again, I'd swear you've never seen it before! There's a VERY good reason it doesn't run at the end of the film! And the Terminators always walking makes sense to me, they're giant bidepal robots whose processing has limitations. You can't run and process tons of information at the same time, it's not possible. Look at the fact that they always stole vehicles, instead of running the 30+mph the T-1000 clearly was capable of. The T-800 would be slow as hell, and might even fall if it ran, so I understand it walking all the time from that aspect. But from a sheer processing potential standpoint, the machines can't track, analyze, aim, retain defensive capabilities, and over and above all that, run. Running is actually a controlled fall, scientifically speaking, it's not easy. As for the T-1000 asking for Sarah to call for John, you realize it was frozen and blown to smithereens like 5 minutes before that scene right? You saw it start to merge with what it was standing on after it re-arranged itself, it was malfunctioning? It was damaged by the act of being frozen solid and blown apart by the liquid nitrogen, that's why it had to use Sarah to call for John.

[@wilji1090]

Honestly the original ending idea made a lot more sense than the impromptu heart transplant. Marcus would’ve had John Connor’s skin grafted onto his frame and would go on to form the basis for the mythological General John Connor.

[@JennyKenobi09]

The original ending was brilliant and it got leaked. So they changed it which I understand but still would have liked to see.

[@michaelcano7]

Personally, that sounds like an idiotic idea

[@tinyfreckle]

That wouldn't really make sense though because he would have a completely different metal bone structure meaning his face wouldn't look like his face. He also wouldn't have the same voice or brain. He would literally just be Marcus with Jon Connors skin. Which is fairly creepy.

[@jamielondon6436]

Yeah, every single dog would've made that impossible.

[@Patrickjohn74]

Place your bets for how many minutes the Terminator Genisys Sins video will have. My personal bet: 23 minutes based in the current 23% on Rotten Tomatoes.

[@backupfagr]

It isn't that bad. Sure, it's filled with plot holes and it ruins the whole timeline of the only good terminator movies, it has dull characters and bad acting by most of them, but it is still entertaining and it has Arnold Schwarzenegger back and better than ever. It deserves 50%.

[@Patrickjohn74]

Spartan Gamer So 50% = 50 minutes of CinemaSins?

[@blackbulletz1]

Your bet makes no sense. Following your logic, the lower the rating gets the less time the sins take to count.

[@solarstrike33]

ThatOnePixel That would mean a film like Toy Story being sinned would be 100 minutes long.

[@Patrickjohn74]

SolarstrikeVG My logic was: "The rating is 23% I'll bet 23 minutes." There's no math logic.

[@ViktorKULIJANIC]

Cinema let me correct you, the T2 T-800 was made out of titanium, which is able to burn in high temperatures, but what they used in this movie was a different material called coltan able to survive heat up to 3,200 degrees.

[@arbiterprime2145]

both were hyper-alloy t-800's. the difference here is that in t2 they were lowered into a vat of metal that was being kept at melting point, and there was a lot of it. in this one there was a lot less that fell on the terminator, and it was outside the vat so it had nothing keeping it that hot, so started to cool quickly. still hot enough to hurt the bot but not enough to melt it.

[@nthgth]

Yeah and we don't even know if they were the same type of steel, or even if the metal in this movie was steel.

[@patrickhanlon932]

I thought the human prisoners were, like, a meat shield the machines were using. The machines were counting on humans valuing the lives of other humans over the destruction of the machine's base or whatever.

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

In T1 Kyle said "Rounded up for orederly disposal" so the death camps are in sync with that line. But here I guess they were using humans to develop the tissue for the Arnold-version of Terminator. Which makes sense but this movie is still terrible

[@Charlie94781]

It is possible that Sarah Connor recorded multiple tapes for John as a precaution in the event the original cassette was stolen, lost, or destroyed

[@tennoshenaniganizer9234]

skynet's lack of logic aside, I actually enjoyed this movie (as a mindless watch-it-because-nothing-else-is-on action movie). T2 is still the best

[@leonardeuler9592]

T1 is the best!

[@leonardeuler9592]

@cam3lopard Sure, time travel is fiction and an obvious plot device, but except that I see no time paradox in T1 since the timeline was not changed in this movie. It is in T2 that the timeline was changed and thus creating a time paradox. And yeah, you pretty resumed well the main strenghts of T1! I will only add that T1 is self-contained and it doesn't need a sequel.

[@leonardeuler9592]

@cam3lopard What is important for me is how T1 ends. The fact is that Sarah survived. Facts are important for me, not suppositions. Also, yeah I liked T2's ending too. It was so emotional.

[@zerothefaceless4888]

Sin you missed and i was hoping to see it. In T1 Kyle said that T-600s had rubber skin, and yet in this movie they're just naked skeletons. Heck, Kyle said it in your own sin video.

[@i_am_ergo]

Zero the Faceless Applying rubber skin could be a special feature designed for infiltration operations; the machines could just be saving resources. My guess.

[@zerothefaceless4888]

Semyon Galtsev As fas as i remember Kyle specifically said that Terminators were DESIGNED for infiltriation. Otherwise what's the point of humanoid robot in the first place? If you want just a soldier, a smaller frame would be preferebale as a smaller target, instead of arms build him integrated guns, and make him on wheels or tracks for better speed and mobility. Or just make an AI tank.

[@i_am_ergo]

Zero the Faceless I agree completely. At the same time, we've seen T-800s (those were T-800s, right?) crushing human skulls with their feet, guns blazing, not really infiltrating anything at that point. Some inconsistency was already there.

[@dennett316]

Zero the Faceless I haven't seen the film in a while, but I think there were a couple shown that had charred rubber skin still on them. As for the skinless thing, James Cameron showed T-800's on the battlefield in skinless form in T2, so I'd imagine it's a resources thing. Kyle mentions in the original flick that the Terminator is essentially a "combat chassis, fully armoured, very tough", so they could be used as troops without the skin, then add the skin if they need to get more covert.

[@cobolt13]

Zero the Faceless Because it's all melted, yo' stupid fuck.

[@thyreradim7885]

In the Terminator lore, Skynet knows all of this because whenever they send a Terminator through time, it somehow can send info back to Skynet in all timelines.

[@dadeleemurphy85]

Add the Following Sin: People looking like they still have personal health and hygiene products.

[@DreamyAileen]

You forgot to mention the fact that _none of the machines see Marcus as one of them except for that one scanner robot at the Machine City._ *Ding!*

[@DarthRushy]

+Isaac Wang He mentions that he can get in because his robo-bits are now exposed.

[@DreamyAileen]

DarthRushy In Terminator: Genisys the T-800 sent by SkyNET to 1984 was able to determine "Pops" as another Terminator in like two seconds. Now, granted, that movie came a few years later, but still, seems like an ability that was basically planned from the start.

[@DarthRushy]

Isaac Wang The events of Genisys take place in a different timeline, though.

[@DreamyAileen]

DarthRushy Yeah, but the Terminator sent back to 1984 is still the same Terminator, with the same hardware, as the one in the first movie, because while Genisys seems to disregard most of the previous movies, it still seems to follow the first movie quite accurately up until Guardian appears.

[@DarthRushy]

Isaac Wang Not necessarily. The movie makes it clear that events are being continuously altered all around the timeline(1970s, 1984, 2017 etc.) to an extent that we don't even know. The Terminator's design could have minor differences.

[@ericshepard6596]

"Convenie-oincidence" oh, I'm using that word as soon as effin' possible. I got 4 kids... It wont take long to find a good spot for it.

[@chueyxuey8175]

Okay I just finally watched this movie, the relationship and dialogue between marcus and the kids were so damn awkward, one scene they yell for no reason and makes everything eerie and the next their best buddies, it's like so random.

[@GuadalupePicasso]

I feel like this movie should’ve been good, had so much potential.

[@andresgonzalez6045]

0:49 They killed Terry! You bastards!!!

[@ReddeSpectre]

I can't remember, did they really kill Terry off screen? If so, this is both a waste and a sin. and should be counted.

[@defeqel6537]

At least he was loyal to the leader until the end. Too bad shouting his name didn't help him.

[@bighaas435]

What really kills me is that the resistance is made up of civilians and they have access to military grade equipment and vehicles! A-10's, Blackhawks, m-60's.... WTF?!?

[@vorshack8968]

@supermanscottforever Just how big of an asshole are you?

[@saulloll8547]

Wasnt John's wife suppose to be the connection between the resistance and what was left of the armed forces?

[@connorwood9211]

There are more holes in the plot than there is in Swiss cheese

[@oxykilldone5113]

Connor Wood The whole series is a giant plothole.

[@ArlanKels]

Connor Wood KNOWLEDGE nypost.com/2015/05/28/the-reason-why-swiss-cheese-doesnt-have-holes-anymore/

[@MurdocsMinion]

I've been in churches that were less holy than this.

[@Rert]

Connor Wood "There are more holes in the plot than there is in Swiss cheese" cliche *DING*

[@harixxt]

Connor Wood well, what kind of swiss cheese? xddddddd

[@heyheytaytay]

11:20 in the whole scene both actors suddenly lose their movie accents and slip into their native ones. Notice how Sam Worthington says "transporter".

[@JuICyBLiinGeR]

Transportaaa. I heard it haha In this scene I’m sure Bale has a couple of smooth criminals down undaah

[@williamozier918]

The whole Sarah Conner says different stuff on the tapes handwave: Both recordings were made, she just started repeating herself as she became more and more obssessed with the approaching nuclear war.

[@nerdseyeview5017]

William Ozier Exactly. If your son was a proficied leader of humanities last hope you would probably have that emotional and mental burden aswell

[@dragonweyr44]

0:25 Did the bald head on HBC give you the clue that she's dying of cancer? 0:47 In Terminator 2 it showed the human fighters AND the SkyNet forces firing laser guns/particle guns and in Terminator 1 the terminator goes into a gun shop expecting to find a phased plasma rifle, so why are these guys still using automatic weapons like M4 carbines and minguns? 1:35 It's not a helicopter he jumps out of, it's a V-22 osprey, a fixed wing aircraft with a tilt rotor system allowing it to take off and land like a helicopter 1:39 submarines are VERY hard to track while submerged unless you use active sonar 1:48 this is the roomiest submarine I've ever seen 3:29 these tapes sure as hell are durable for something that John's been listening to his whole life 4:03 this is supposed to be a T-600 terminator, according to Terminator 1 it should have rubber/latex skin 4:45 If a terminator did this it would have easily taken your arm off with this move 5:56 This is a regular glass 1 quart milk bottle like those delivered to peoples' homes in the early 1950s and before, were can you even find these anymore, let alone. still use them? 9:34 How can SkyNet distinguish a campfire from all off the millions of other small fires scattered around the landscape like the 3 that are seen in the previous scene also, how and why can the random small fires burn without growing larger and after the heavy rain? 10:22 Uh, human slaves perhaps? Even the Sentinels in X Men: Days of Future Past (the comic, not the movie) used human/mutant slaves when they took over the EarthOR they're using them for skin for their T-800s 10:34 why does this magnetic mine take so long to detonate? And if the resistance set these mines up to kill terminators, why didn't it kill Marcus? 12:09 radios might be picked up by the machines but they could have used intercoms 12:30 John was too busy dealing with the water terminators to notice Marcus sneaking up on him 12:49 Wouldn't that be Dr. Serena Kogan (Helena Bonham Carter) that offered you the deal back in 2003 that gave you a terminator body? 14:55 was this all programmed into him in 2003 or when he got activated a week ago? Also, aren't all terminators programmed to be infiltration units? 16:17 Once again the terminator flings its target across the room instead of killing target. These are the worst killers ever

[@dragonweyr44]

dragonweyr44 I have been doing these add on sins for a while nowI am curious if anyone appreciate my comments, please leave feedback

[@Hoot151]

This movie takes place in 2018, laser rifles aren't a thing yet.

[@dragonweyr44]

KJ it should still be close don't you think? esp after judgment day

[@Hoot151]

dragonweyr44 I'm not in the know on Terminator lore, but if I'm not mistaken the laser rifles and time travel don't come in until around 2029. But I do admit I was a little disappointed when I went to see the movie and they weren't equipped with plasma rifles, especially after Kyle Reese explained to Sarah Connor in T1 that he wasn't sure he would even be able to kill the terminator with regular firearms, then in TS they are blowing them away with M4s.

[@dragonweyr44]

KJ Still, they were T-600s in T:S, not T-800s. Maybe the T-800s were made of stronger materials The tv series said (and I don't know if that is cannon or not) that terminators were made from coltran so perhaps it's more bullet resistant than steel

[@TheAdvertisement]

3:20 Here’s a thought: _Maybe it was a different tape._ 4:30 I wonder how he didn’t know.

[@papahamdrew]

I’m surprised that Cinema Sins didn’t comment on Christian Bale using his bat man voice so many times 😂

[@vgamesx1]

Sorry but I'm adding a sin to CinemaSins for not noticing multiple Sony product placements, which are even more cringe worthy in a movie about technology becoming sentient and killing humans, of which I should also point out, is that really how Sony wants to associate their products? as/with devices that in the future will become murderous robots?

[@NekoSoren]

Well let's be honest, if a bunch of machines cause the fall of humanity and leads us into a Fallout like future but with less 50s in it...it will be Sony's fault XD

[@PureKohaku]

+vgamesx1 I'm adding another one for Markis(sp?) being in such a rush to save john, but decides he still has time to change out of the medical garb he was wearing.

[@Slateproc]

Thats the reason I don't purchase any sony products first-hand. Their bullshit product placement is sickening. Hell, look at any sony produced movie, and I guarantee that you will see a vaio laptop somewhere.

[@KingRumar]

+vgamesx1 Their technology is the only technology that hasn't upgraded. Then in Genysis they have it that Skynet starts off like Apple.

[@DreamyAileen]

+PureKohaku The only thing he changed (I think) was picking up his Resistance jacket to prove to SkyNET that he wouldn't follow their orders.

[@rhaegartargaryen9315]

*Everything Wrong With Chappie* That has to be next now, yeah?

[@rhaegartargaryen9315]

I had high hopes for that movie, got crushed. So now I want to make fun of it.

[@rhaegartargaryen9315]

MrImperatorRoma It was DOA. Maybe I just had better expectations, but the story/script itself was ridiculous with so many plot holes that it'd be excellent for EWW.

[@txt4673]

Oblivious Bot Man I didn't know it was bad. I just looked at reviews cause of your comment and I'm sad now. I saw the trailer in theaters and it looked really good.

[@rhaegartargaryen9315]

Shea Butters MrImperatorRoma Exactly, the trailers, the budget, wolverine and Sony behind, made me think it would be one great movie but it all turned to shit when if you remotely pay attention to the movies plot. :S

[@VaeSapiens]

MrImperatorRoma At one point in the movie Chappie invents something that should proably Blow everyones mind with the application of this thing, but people are not impressed at all. I generally liked that movie but some little thing bothered me Spoiler: He invents a way to transport the human mind into other bodies, defeating death and inventing immortality. Also the main scientist guy tells his employe - Big Boss of a Military Corporation that he invented real AI and he needs a field test, and she just says "LOL Why would I need that? Get the fuck out". Also Obvious villain is obvious.

[@DrMcFly28]

I pretty much hate this movie, but the fact that the original semi-shitty "twist" ending was changed to an ubearably shitty ending just because the former one was leaked before the movie was released makes me hate it even more.

[@peter17708]

What was the original ending before they made the change?

[@bloxmineland2]

Peter Ogunwale .

[@ca20mn]

McFly original?

[@ratchetpokemaster123]

Peter Ogunwale John Connor actually DOES die, so they skin him and put it on Marcus's frame, essentially giving him the identity. No idea why someone would consider that better than the final ending. Also, another proposed ending continued off the rejected one with Marcus, somehow still under Skynet's control, waking up mid-operation and killing everyone present. Thank god they changed that, it would've been too depressing, even for Terminator.

[@peter17708]

Wow that's interesting, thanks for responding :)

[@seanpaullawrence4836]

16:11 who else tought he was gonna say discount Arnold Schwarzenegger

[@z28muscle20]

1:43 CinemaSins unintentionally inspires Terminator: Genisys. *ding*

[@theonlychickensama8353]

Z28Muscle lol true

[@e84fresh]

When he compared the Sarah Conor tapes 😂😂😂😂💀💀💀

[@nerdseyeview5017]

E Boogie He was going HARD on those Sarah Conor tapes.

[@seancewilson12]

Right?! How Way off Was that sh*t! 😂😂🤣😂

[@matthewchristeson6589]

Listen, guys! This tape is not the same as this other tape! Subject is different, number is different, even the voice is different! Coincidence? I THINK NOT! Lol this was hilarious

[@the_chomper]

it would stand to reason if there was a tape 7 there would have been a tape 1-6 and likely a tape 8 plus..... this review is stupid

[@eratoisyourmuse659]

It was a fucking recording! If any hardcore Terminator fan would not be irritated by the fact that not only they didnt use the original recording, be irritated by one: they didnt even try copy it word for word and 2. They redid it with Linda Hamilton's 50yo, 2 pack a day smokers voice compared to her younger soft spoken self. Just use the originals from the first and fuck off.

[@johnhanifin1952]

Dark fate makes this look like a masterpiece

[@monkeyboy8me]

Dark fate is way better then this shit

[@yashkrishnasrivastava4028]

@@monkeyboy8me not true, this is actually interesting, dark fate was just too damn shitty

[@JennyKenobi09]

Dark Fate was ridiculous

[@judsongaiden9878]

5:30 Add a sin for "ideer." 6:11 Did you ever see Robot Jox? 7:27 I like how its torso looks like a scorpion's face, but what's with the comic book villain arm gesture? 10:32 Magnetic mine ends up on his leg, yet the flesh is stripped off his torso. 12:39 The fakeness of the battle damage around his left eye is especially irritating.

[@rosemarywilliams9969]

I loved Sam Worthington in this movie. He single handedly saved it for me 😍

[@TiciTotyTony]

At least they got an actor like Anton Yelchin who looked like a young Michael Biehn (Kyle Reese) and acted like him. Who dafuq casted Jai Courtney as Kyle Reese ( ͡° ʖ̯ ͡°)

[@Preeve]

The better question is why do people even cast Jai Courtney in anything.

[@TiciTotyTony]

Reeve Isaacs idk maybe he's fucking the Directors.

[@alexmuresianu8435]

Tici Toty Tony I actually think they should have cast Taylor Kitsch.

[@TiciTotyTony]

Alex Muresianu​ meh probably not him either actually idk he's good so far on True Detective season 2. Honestly i would take anything at this point if i could've replaced Joke Courtney. Oops i mean Jai.

[@alexmuresianu8435]

I've only seen Kitsch in 2 movies, but he had a lot of charisma in my opinion, even if he isn't the best actor. I don't think Jai Courtney is terrible, but he doesn't have the charisma for Kyle Reese/

[@ryanbeard6743]

I know I know...4 years later....a new comment. The shotgun “grab it” scene is a call back from the original Terminator. When Kyle is shown sawing off the stock and using rope to make a quick sling, before he goes searching for Sarah. Just an FYI.

[@prodigy1445]

Is it a callback, or is it technically foreshadowing? (chronologically speaking)

[@Sinfinityy1]

@@prodigy1445 The entire movie series is an ontological paradox. Or a loop, if you will

[@awesomeguy1547]

The book actually goes more into detail about how impossible it is to evade cyberdine they can't use comms. And when they do they have to speak in code plus any computer can be hacked by skynet yet all they use is computers and tell communications throughout the movie

[@Whiteknight-xg2pq]

i love that the gas station scene was filmed in my state, i saw it on my way to a concert in July when they built the set and thinking it was a Resident Evil set.

[@MP-vc4nu]

Whiteknight 2332 Where they have cows to get milk, or even fresh food supplies after 20 years of wastelands?????!???

[@estebanpineros9409]

I actually just realized something from watching this sins video: at first I was in complete agreement that it was bogus for the machines to take prisoners, since they just want to exterminate humanity, but in fact, they probably have them as an extra layer of defence, human shields which ward against some insane attack by the humans to cause damage to the machines' facilities. Sure, they're heavily fortified, but this ensures they don't just grab literally every vehicle they have, strap them with explosives, and send them careening fast enough that a few get through and cause damage. Additionally, since the machines probably don't care about the welfare of their prisoners, they keep scouting for fresh humans to dissuade other humans from attacking them.

[@locdasmoke]

Salvation is my favorite after the first 2

[@jc43261jc]

Something else that should definitely be a sin is casting Terry Crews, making him Commons brother and giving him some dialogue, cutting it all out and just using a clip of him dead, and not telling him his lines were cut out and only found out when he went to watch the movie. You can see him at 0:49

[@flyercurse]

The original script was that Connor died and Marcus took his place with his skin as a disguise...

[@great159]

Desde Rabinal 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💯

[@Imperial_Dynamics]

that would be a better movie

[@jamessantos9861]

That’s the spoiler for the newest terminator movie. Apparently John Connor gets killed in the beginning of the movie. Way to destroy a franchise.

[@lordmortos979]

The whole thing with capturing humans does make sense. It's even said in the first movie that the machines use them in work camps.

[@lolwut5552]

Terminator: Franchise Killer

[@xavigarcia9372]

And again that demonstrates how bad at they job are the terminators, they can't kill the franchise, they can't kill John, Sara or kyle, what the fuck are capable of do that machines?

[@TheDrummingWarrior]

Frselrey Garcia and you just demonstrated the grammar of a 3 year old/an american.

[@xavigarcia9372]

RAF Benson (the person)! Maybe that's because I'm not an American

[@uncountablecount]

Frselrey Garcia so, they aren't terminators, more like letliveinators?

[@SageVallant]

***** For one thing, it failed, they made another Terminator film that I assume was awful. For another thing, the alternate ending where John Conner dies and Marcus just impersonates him into the future as we know it! :D

[@dannabel16]

I liked how this movie was one of the few I've seen that didn't perpetuate the "shoot gas tanks to make them explode" trope, but then fucks it up at the same time. That tanker trailer should not have been able to roll unless the brakes were absolutely fried, manually caged, or Marcus thought to run an air supply line from the tow truck to the trailer. Mad Max Fury Road got that one right though

[@FeralDragon]

Why DO they only send one Terminator back in time when they have hundreds of them and other killer machines? It's even more dumb when they do it over and over again.

[@Gary-pe4ce]

The first one made sense to show the power of 1 t800. T2 was from a perspective of a "good t800" vs a more futuristic t1000. Salvation brought up early wars and after that redundancies occured which ruined the franchise

[@David-eh9le]

Because the gouvernement would Most likely notice an army and find Out about skynet.

[@Ragnarok8807]

In the first two movies it was because it was a last-ditch effort by SkyNet, before the Resistance punched their asshole in. I suppose for later films you can look at it as SkyNet not wanting to fuck things up in past too much and change it's history?

[@Demos_Jeff]

It doesn’t even need to be hundreds. They could have sent like 2 or 3 back to the 80s Kyle Reese would have ultra fucked or they could split up during the search for Sarah and find her way faster

[@ManWamCam]

Am I the only one who likes this movie?

[@APlaceFromBefore]

FoolWithaController I liked it, I don't think its great or anything, but I enjoyed it.

[@urplatz]

I actually love this movie, but it was also the first terminator that I saw all the way through. Thus, I didn't really watch it as a terminator movie.

[@swagner15333]

I like it a lot. Like Jeremy says, "no movie is without sins". Does t mean they aren't enjoyable.

[@RexVergstrong]

FoolWithaController I love it too. It's my second favorite after 2.

[@artemisfowl52]

FoolWithaController Nope. I thought this one was pretty good. Then again, I'm also a sucker for this sort of gritty military action movie stuff. I actually like the first three Transformers movies because it was neat seeing the military work in conjunction with the robots, which is why I'm disappointed by the fourth one. This is the only version of John Connor that convinced me he was going to become the leader of the human resistance, what with how good he is on the battlefield and his leadership traits. A nitpick with the sin about the submarine, it is RIDICULOUSLY difficult detecting a submarine actively utilizing its stealth measures. Only recently the Dutch (I think) one of the most advanced submarine detection navies in the world, couldn't successfully locate and pin a Russian sub that was dancing around in its rather limited area of water. Now multiply that difficulty by the entire freaking ocean.

[@beasty108]

EVERYTHING WRONG WITH CHAPPIE!!!!!!!!!

[@RiiXeK]

Everything :)

[@ScrunchMcBunch]

Shane you just tried to correct an already correct spelling you dumbass

[@CalculusPhysics]

Are you stupid? ^ he means everything is wrong with the movie as in it was a bad one. Was it really that hard?

[@oxykilldone5113]

ScrunchMcBunch He means everything is wrong with the movie. Dumbass.

[@crozxful]

ScrunchMcBunch everything is wrong in chappe u dumbass

[@Blasted2Oblivion]

My assumption was that they took the prisoners specifically to prevent attacks like what the resistance planned. They assume, based on their faulty understanding of humans, that the resistance wouldn't be willing to kill so many of their own to destroy a Skynet facility.

[@ziljin]

Terry Crews scene cut down to a second cameo as a corpse 1 MILLION SINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@c4flame]

What was the terminators plan after the humans disappear

[@eifersuchtkim669]

Create the movie: The Humanitor

[@annapocalypsezero4719]

I think originally Skynet didn't see humans as a threat it was designed as a security thing to protect America/humanity. The Humans got scared and tried to turn it off when it became self aware. That made it decide to 'turn the humans off' Thats what T1 and T2 said roughly in T3 though Skynet just went mad it had no central nexus there so couldnt be turned off even if people had wanted to so had no reason to kill humanity and again it was programmed to protect humanity so yeah after T2 logic went out of the window.

[@ismailtroxler1]

+Eifersucht Kim 👀😆😂😆😂😆😂👊

[@tjq4378]

Profit.

[@Yokatosh]

+Eifersucht Kim most underrated comment of 2016

[@kitchen5203]

11:03 Batman v Alex Mason

[@VayoMayo]

They took prisoners so that they can harvest their skin for T-800's

[@Gary-pe4ce]

Not harvest. Study to create more models since it would be redundant to have hundreds of identical bodybuilders

[@melvinmerkelhopper5752]

Wasn't Kyle's very first line of dialogue that the surviving humans were being put in camps to work and incinerate bodies? How does he not remember this?

[@picsapien9786]

why is the fact that bale gets on a bike built by the machines and can ride it not a sin? Wouldnt the machines build machines to suit machines and specifically NOT humans? The machines really do need to loose the war ...

[@AthenisKS81]

The before and after shots of John hacking it (McGuffin hacking tool to the rescue again) show a different shape. At first the top part is arched upward, which no one could sit on. When he rides it, that part is gone and it dips down more to the shape of a regular motorcycle seat. It suggests he removed the piece(s). We saw with 3 that the original human-made designs were not changed much, or in some cases at all, by Skynet.

[@marcelo78]

Waiting for Everything Wrong With Ghostbusters Reboot in 120min or less.

[@ismailtroxler1]

😆🙌😂

[@daryl0063]

1 sec or less....the whole damn movie.

[@mate12cf]

The movie is actually pretty good.

[@ScreechingPossum]

Good bait, Castillo

[@Roach_Toast]

Mateo Castillo 6 months later and I still fucking hate you for this comment.

[@falc0n717]

"There are no purple lasers." Plus 4,000,000 sins

[@scruffsbycartoonfish2301]

Why did John believe the signal would end the war when his Mother told him it wasn't ended till ten years later? Anyway, the T600 is supposed to be around eight feet tall so it may have been able to reach Johns shoulders!