Everything Wrong With Dune: Part 2 in 21 Minutes or Less

[@_Feyd-Rautha]

The Harkonnens boldly attacked the Atreides, this was no secret there. The "big secret" that the great houses cant know is how the Emporer is involved.

[@andrewj22]

9:54 for reference.

[@LDBaha]

Exactly the secret was that the Emperor provided them with a few thousand Sardaukar plus giving them Arrakis in the first place to weaken them

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

The emperor was easily manipulated by Navigators, The Guild is behind and in front of Everything...

[@that.canadian.vaper.guyTCVG]

I love how Feyd heard "May thy knife chip and shatter" and instantly looked like; "holy shit, that's the coolest thing I've ever heard." 😂

[@Jonathan_Collins]

The depiction of Geidi Prime was a monumental triumph of cinematography. The greyscale was otherworldly, spooky and alien, saved massively on set design costs, and adeptly sent the message that Harkonnen culture is rigidly black and white.

[@summertyme5748]

This has been the best film of the year - so far - easily.

[@Crazcosmopwnu]

Plus that it was shot using IR cameras and not just shifted to greyscale in post is dedication to authenticity.

[@user-kb6mj7zq8t]

No

[@user-kb6mj7zq8t]

​@@summertyme5748That's not saying much.

[@EldradU]

Yes that had me in awe in the theater and I'm mad af for it not being a sin back

[@prizzl0]

Firing lasers into shields creates a thermonuclear explosion on either, or both, ends, sort of randomly. That’s why they waited to use them on the crawlers until the shields were down. Is this explained only in the book? Yes. Is it therefore worth a cinema sin? Yeah, sure. Is it cool they actually understood the lore? Also yes.

[@grotzbully1340]

The issue is they NEVER explained this in the movie. They only said that it attracts worms. They could have included it at the beginning when the harkonnen soldier said no shields when they stood atop the rocks, which looks kinda like the setup for the explanation, his comment makes no sense otherwise.

[@clubbizarre]

Thanks

[@Moerdyr]

​@@grotzbully1340shields themselves attract worms. Not firing lasguns at them.

[@blimpieboy101]

If cinemasins cared like they say (mother effer, cinemasins cares, lol)... they'd dedicate retro sins for the comment section. If they did do this, i feel they would respond to your comment with "Reading" lol

[@grotzbully1340]

@@Moerdyr No shit1!1!1! firing lasguns at them leads to huge explosion since both the shield and the gun explode. THIS was never explained. did you even read anything i wrote?

[@Thomas-et5br]

“She’ll come to understand” CinemaSins: “post nut clarity?” This might just be my favorite sin ever

[@CinemaSins]

Once you get it, you'll get it.

[@thegirlfromru]

​@@CinemaSins No, you don't 😏.

[@Straggler8]

I opened the comments after hearing that and here it is on the top

[@colormedubious4747]

@@CinemaSins The double entendres just keep coming.

[@thelittlehooer]

Wait, I get it, but I don't. I mean I do, but I don't.

[@ravenstalons154]

Would it have been inappropriate for Lady Jessica to ask the Fremen Reverend Mother, "Can you make me a sand-witch?"

[@Butters-ly3hq]

Too clever 😂

[@Jizzlewobbwtfcus]

Dad joke detected!!!

[@robertbeste]

Sure! Here's some water to wash it down.

[@Bycho]

-“What? Make it yourself!” +“sudo make me a sand-witch” -“Okay”

[@PinataFreaks]

"How do you stop a sand worm?" That's the neat part. You don't. You aim for a large sand dune, crash through it and jump off. Also, if you haven't sufficiently tired out the worm, it will be pissed and come back and attack you. But if you ride it for far enough it will be too tired and will just go under the sand to get away.

[@aliasfakename3159]

So when they move the entire population & arrive in the south, everyone has to scramble off in time?

[@hoopa6477]

Good to know

[@Alexandra-wp2qo]

But then how do you jump off with the tents and the basket Jessica was in?🤔 Now I imagine they throw the basket wherever and hope for the best 🤣 bon voyage, Jessica!

[@MaullerTwin]

Per the books you can't stop them but you simply jump off before they go under the sand after removing the hooks from the exposed rings. Impossible to transport the eldery and babies hahahaha.

[@user-tw3rh9po4t]

That’s the neat part. You can if you’re a Viltrumite.

[@chloegard2817]

6:05 - Paul and Chani's Love Theme that plays in this scene and repeats at the end when Chani leaves is truly a wonderful piece of score. Hans Zimmer deserves all the sins off

[@Finlandiaperkele]

I love how Hans Zimmer was so stoked to work on this movie, that he started producing and kept spamming emails to Villaneuve about his ideas even before part 2 was greenlit.

[@argentum909]

​@Finlandiaperkele D.V. had to tell him to stop sending him stuff. Honestly, that's why I suspect there's so much Dune music he made for art books. I love him for it. I have an hours long soundtrack to read all the books to.

[@brokenfoxx]

​@@argentum909Zimmer and Villeneuve are like two fan boys getting to make their grand vision come to life. and I'm here for it

[@di3486]

Beautiful song, terrible movie couple. I ended up hating the song. The feels are not even close to “One Day” from Pirates of the Caribbean and the absolute chills Will and Elizabeth chemistry on screen gives you.

[@Finlandiaperkele]

@@di3486 That I have to agree with, the lead actors have absolutely no chemistry. Zendaya is an absolute void of chemistry, I don't think she has ever had a good on-screen chemistry with anyone.

[@d00mbr07]

That whole Feyd-Rautha colosseum segment was so damn sick in IMAX; The music, the energy, the EVERYTHING. 30 sins removed! But still bro imma need you to sin Eight Legged Freaks

[@Mike_Cant_Golf]

That was an epic scene. And the cinematography, the color change was epic. Just aw!

[@EndofTimeGaming-m9s]

it was pretty underwhelming tbh

[@aswallace88]

Hard to explain in a movie, easy in the books. The Atreides became defiant to the Bene Gesserit order when Lady Jessica defied her orders to bear a daughter to Leto. The Bene Gesserit had been breeding the Atreides and the Harkonens for generations to create the Kwisadtz Haderach, and Jessica pissed it all away because Leto wanted a boy and she wanted him happy. It had nothing to do with the emperor until Paul was coming of age, which is when they moved to Arrakis.

[@elizabethkenobi1365]

Seems like someone could have just said that in the movie in thirty seconds and explained a lot lol

[@Durwood71]

Also, in the book, it's explained that Duke Leto was well liked and greatly respected by the other Great Houses and had a fighting force that rivaled the Emperor's Sardukar. The Emperor was afraid of being usurped, and so he arranged for House Atreides to be betrayed and killed on Arrakis.

[@elizabethkenobi1365]

@@Durwood71 Ooh nice, thank you for the added lore! I'm going to have to read the books I think. I've just been soaking up the tidbits from things I see online.

[@LDBaha]

@@elizabethkenobi1365 This was explained in the beginning of Dune Part 1

[@RepEvox]

@@elizabethkenobi1365 they literally explain this in the first movie. I'm not sure you were paying close enough attention which is fine. But to imply they didn't explain it is not true.

[@Igorcastrochucre]

Dune has Spice, Rebel Moon had grain (aka everything nice) , all we need is a sci-fi property based around sugar to have the Powerpuff Girls trifecta

[@summertyme5748]

Dune is to Rebel Moon as 2001: A Space Odyssey is to BattleField Earth.

[@daRealB-Rex]

@@summertyme5748 that’s an insult to Battlefield Earth

[@mr.joshua6818]

Agreed. At least Battlefield Earth was funny at times...with chemical assistance.​@@daRealB-Rex

[@dwinosam]

That was called slavery in the americas

[@danieljohnson3320]

Quadfecta. You forgot chemical x

[@Odds_TV]

Not taking a sin off when Paul yelled silence at the Reverend Mother being a callback to classic Dune is a sin of itself

[@BobbyDoesMusic]

Sin off for doing the math for the 2075th Olympiad at 18:26. BUT. Add a sin because the Dune calendar is AG, after guild, not AD/CE. 10191 would actually correspond to 23,352 AD, which would be the year of the 5,365th Olympiad. Look, if you can be pedantic, so can the Dune nerds. 🤣

[@clubbizarre]

Awesome

[@bongsnhell]

👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼

[@d0h]

He did the math.

[@colormedubious4747]

Math fight!

[@freg35]

This is assuming that years in arrakis or the empire for that matter work the same as in earth which I don't think is the case...

[@seldonplanB-24]

"It's been over 2 hours...I think we all have to take a ducal signet"... Well played 🤣

[@yianmartinez7799]

Can’t believe they didn’t take sins off for the Lisan al-Gaib scene (you know the one). The way Paul uses his powers to take control of the religious Fremen was very chilling and Timothée’s performance was incredible, not to mention it is one of the most thematic scenes in the franchise.

[@marcuswalters8093]

It's a brilliant depiction of a character who loses everything by expertly winning the game.

[@emmaj3]

That was my favorite scene. I was so impressed by TC’s acting

[@samuellee257]

Paul Atreides Speech really deserves a sin off. The tension was so good, I wanted stand out and said, 'lisan al gaib' too!

[@colormedubious4747]

It made me want to rush out and buy a 2025 Nissan Al Gaib.

[@icytonyc87]

i was ready to stand up and volunteer for the holy war. Lead me to paradise, paul.

[@sosukeaizen5784]

Kinda cringe, ngl

[@joshuaberardelli9461]

12:26 Cinema Sins sin, they incorrectly dated this movie as being 8000 years in the future, when in reality the year 10,191 is how long it’s been since the formation and monopolization of the Spacing Guild, which would occur in about 8000 years, so dune is really about 20k years in the future

[@HIMPDahak]

I still say that Dune is just the 40K prequel!

[@strfxfilm1942]

@@HIMPDahak or 40k is the dune sequel, since 40k took so much from dune

[@dennispremoli7950]

5:38 that is how shield weapons were developed. Any fast projectile will bounce away. That's why they have missile-like weapons that slow down right before they contact he shield and slowly push their way through. It is both explained and exemplified (during the Harkonnen attack on the Atreides) in the first movie.

[@wistfulgraph]

Yes but if the missiles could slow down anyways, why couldn’t they just shoot the thopter immediately?

[@HIMPDahak]

@@wistfulgraph Vehicle and building shields are far more powerful than personal shields and can have much lower penetration velocities. They have to open up to shoot though and that means there is a window where it is coming online again and hasn't reached full strength (bigger the shield, the longer it takes). So long as you can hit it in that window the shield won't be able to stop it. They can be overwhelmed with a powerful enough projectile that keeps pushing, but that sure as hell isn't shoulder fired! Building shields in particular can stop essentially anything from penetrating (this also stops airflow of course, but they take that into account). That was why Dr. Yueh had to disable the shields before the Harkonnen and Sardaukar could attack. Without an insider it would have been a siege and they couldn't have that with the Sardaukar participating (civil war) and it would also stop spice production for as long as it lasted, which is a great way to get the Guild to embargo you. Placing such important buildings close to whatever you might be attacked for is done to prevent the enemy from just sacrificing a random guy to take out your shields (and possibly the whole area). For example, if the Harkonnen had tried that on the palace in Arrakeen, there is a decent chance that Arrakeen, and by extension, the spice refinery and all the harvesting gear there, would cease to be. Same with the spaceport; can't blow that up or getting the harvested spice offworld in the quantities needed isn't going to happen.

[@Fleato]

@@HIMPDahak kind of missing the point here. this whole scene was them trying to bait out the thopter shooting so they could hit it. why do that if the round can go through it anyway. and we saw this in the firs tmovie as well during the harkkonen invasion, shipes being blown up without ever shooting.

[@syluxassassin]

​@Fleato Fid you even read his comment? Vehicle shields are too strong do thru had to bait it for a weakness

[@huntressmma1822]

The scene with Paul drinking the water of life was so underwhelming. It may have been true to canon, (I seem to remember him going into a coma) but wow. With the hype leading up to, "men always die when they take the water of life" cut to Paul taking a sip then going "meh" - time skip to Paul sleeping peacefully (whoops I mean "dead"). Chani crying, then Paul becoming "undead" popping up like a Meer cat who's taken a nice, refreshing snooze being like, "Yo bae I'm back and man was that a trip!" In comparison to his mother who goes into Grande maul seizure, bleeds profusely from the nose, ect.

[@CalamityCtrl]

No sin off for Geidi prime and Pauls 2 speeches is criminal

[@HIMPDahak]

Man Geidi Prime was a goddamn masterpiece. The light that desaturates everything and the ways they adapted to it explaining their preference for black clothing and the ink fireworks since regular ones would be pointless there. Just beautiful in a stark way. Would not want to live there though. Might explain their brutality a bit though. Can't imagine staying particularly sane there.

[@claysmell]

7:46 "That's not hope!! Tony Start was able to build this in a cave with a pile of scraps!!"

[@MrTBSC]

Tony Stark* .... .... or was it Tony Stank? hmm ... or maybe Tony End, no wait Stop it was Tony Stop ... ... (sry) and it's "Tony Stark has build it in a cave! ... with a box of scraps!" yes, the pause is important

[@Kllnmesmllz]

"This is exactly how Javier Bardem landed Penelope Cruz" 😂❤💀

[@BatmanFan76]

Biggest sin of this movie: The popcorn buckets.

[@Sarahonwheels]

Wait til you see the popcorn buckets for Deadpool and Wolverine.

[@ManOfTheNoldor]

The movie wasn't the one sinning with the popcorn buckets

[@cl114c0777498d]

Yeah, should have been silicon or something, not hard plastic.

[@1jotun136]

Not on PH.

[@1jotun136]

​@@SarahonwheelsBrilliant! Thanks for the laugh.

[@user-vf8sh2kw2d]

Here are all the audio outtake clips at the end: 1 (20:46): Spaceballs (Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, 1987) 2 (20:47): Peter Pan (Walt Disney Pictures, 1953) 3 (20:52): Three Amigos (Orion Pictures, 1986) 4 (20:59): Dr. Strangelove (Columbia Pictures, 1964) 5 (21:14): Dead Poets Society (Touchstone Pictures, 1989) 6 (21:25): Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story (20th Century Studios, 2004) 7 (21:40): Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice (Warner Bros., 2016) 8 (21:46): Rick and Morty, "Pickle Rick" (season 3, episode 3; Adult Swim, 6th August 2017) 9 (21:50): The Hangover Part III (Warner Bros., 2013) 10 (21:58): Finding Nemo (Walt Disney Pictures, 2003) 11 (22:03): The Princess Bride (20th Century Studios, 1987) 12 (22:10): Saturday Night Live, "Kyle MacLachlan" (season 16, episode 1; NBC, 29th September 1990) 13 (22:24): True Romance (Warner Bros., 1993) 14 (22:33): Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby (Columbia Pictures, 2006)

[@clubbizarre]

Gods work

[@user-vf8sh2kw2d]

@@clubbizarre Thank you!

[@amethystsavage4018]

I always thought Feyd was underused in this movie. You would think that in a nearly three hour movie, we would see more of him

[@summertyme5748]

Better to have a great character and want more, than lousy characters and want less...... Zack Snyder's Justice League is 4 and 1/2 hours of crap characters.

[@eyespy3001]

There’s really not much more of the character in the book. It is what it is.

[@colormedubious4747]

@@eyespy3001 Except for the sub-plot where Feyd sends the Baron a slave boy with a poisoned needle implanted in his thigh, he has more screen time than book time.

[@monmothma3358]

Me too. They built him up to be so badass and consequential, and Butler is so great, but then he dies and you're like "..was that all?" Honestly, he should have been teased already in the first movie, as well as taken over from Rabban earlier in this one. Would have given his death more impact.

[@bajscast]

@@eyespy3001 Sure, but Rabban is even less prominent in the book to the point that in the book he's mentioned as dying offhandedly. I think he only appears 'on screen' in one or two scenes

[@huntressmma1822]

Every time I see them "hovering" all I can think is "Weeeeeeeeeee!"

[@brokenfoxx]

right? it looks so fun

[@PDAF17]

You only took off SIX SINS for this masterpiece? SIX?!

[@knightradiant4990]

Thanks for reminding me to rewatch this movie for the 12th time

[@spooks4771]

Not taking any sins off for the War Council scene is a sin in of itself

[@Rembreiker_lychec9257]

Zendaya's only expression the whole movie was a "girlfriend-mad-at-you-about-something" face.

[@summertyme5748]

I dunno, she looked pretty happy when she took down that Harkconnen harvester fleet with her bazooka. Only angry person then was incel fanboy in audience who doesn't particularly like gurlz.

[@user-fc2tj8lf2m]

Agreed, she can't act.

[@shanehudson3995]

Pretty sure that's her only expression.

[@SarahShaw01]

@@user-fc2tj8lf2m You're joking right? Tell me you haven't watched Euphoria without telling me you haven't watched Euphoria

[@TheBangooman]

@@SarahShaw01 Probably cus he's not 15.

[@AtrumSilva]

My disappointment that Austin Butler's performance didn't get a sin removed is mitigated by the fact that Zendaya and Florence Pugh's at the end did.

[@OrionInSpace]

The biggest sin that this film commits is not getting me to buy that popcorn bucket😮‍💨

[@LazzyVamples]

They don't use lasers on the harkonnens before they can be sure that no shields are currently in play. In the Dune universe, when a laser impacts a shield, it causes an explosion that can rival atomic strength in both the impacted shield and the laser weapon that fired. Since they had a shielded thopter flying around, it was just too risky to fire the laser at the crawler, since an accidental hit on the thopter would result in everybody on both sides immediately dying.

[@LazzyVamples]

As for "how do you make the sandworm stop?" Simple answer is: you do not. You ride it until exhaustion, at which point you get off safely. If you're still not at your destination, you call another worm. This is why the fremen measure distance in "thumpers" because it refers to the amount of thumpers you'll need to spend on calling worms to get there. Also, I understand that none of this is explained in the movies so they're still sins. I'm just explaining because it does get asked a lot and I think it's fun to explain Dune lore. I've done it a lot while watching the movies with friends and it seems to raise their enjoyment and appreciation of the movies.

[@LazzyVamples]

Irulan figuring out Paul is alive from the patterns may seem impossible to us, but Bene Gesserit and Mentats are both essentially human computers. Mentats deal more in logic so they fit the "human computer" better, but they're both up there in just how insane they are at recognizing patterns and doing calculations.

[@Phaota]

That concept never made any sense to me. A shield is just a vibrational energy barrier and a laser is light with mass. One striking the other would never create an atomic detonation scale explosion. The laser would just bounce off the shield and strike something else for a death dealing hit, but without an explosion since they are not physical bombs.

[@LazzyVamples]

As for the comment on artillery, it really bothered me in the movie how hamfisted it was. It was "genius" because the usage of shields have rendered artillery obsolete to the point that it's never considered for use. You know what it is great at though? Blowing the shit out of rocks. The comment feels oddly out of place because it's not the first time it'd being used in these movies. Part of why the Harkonnen attack on the Atreides was so effective was because the Harkonnen used artillery to kill Atreides forces hiding inside caves and bunkers, something that was not at all expected due to how obsolete artillery was considered.

[@LazzyVamples]

The existence of shields is also why the saurdakar do not use guns. Like I cannot stress enough how much the existence of shields changed the face of combat in the Dune universe.

[@chriscarrico5367]

You missed a big one. Jessica is apparently 2 months into her pregnancy at the start of the film and is still pregnant at the end. Therefore, all the events of the film took place in about 7 months. That's 213 days. It just makes no sense. (In the book it was several years.)

[@summertyme5748]

^ You haven't explained why the events make sense or not based on time. Longer amounts of time - beg the question of why no one can figure out who Maud Dib is. If you simply looked at the narrative of the film - without the book - you would never say - this makes sense, but not enough time.

[@Tman001100]

Lmao @ 22:37 Last bit killed me 🤣🤣 Still a good few issues with Dune: Part Two but the positives still greatly outweigh the negatives, including final duel between Paul and Feyd and how they chose not to put any music behind it and just let the fight realistically BE the sound/audio fully. 👍👍 Saw this in IMAX and it was just EPIC, especially sandworm-riding scene.

[@neoasura]

This movie was great in IMAX, it's one of the few movies (And Dune Part 1) I went out of my way to go to the IMAX to see, and it was worth it.

[@TurinAlexander]

The real sin of Paul's sandworm ride is his goggles. When did put them on? He has them looped around his neck and hanging down the entire scene, and then, when he's actually on the worm, there they are on his face. It takes two hands to hang on to the worm, so how did they get there?

[@brokenfoxx]

I noticed that on my watch of the movie and even called it out to my partner. like, wait a minute! usually continuity stuff manages to slip by me but that was a big one to miss

[@Dalpima]

4:45 "SHUN the non-believers Charlie.....SHUUUUUUUUN."

[@skinnermclane4467]

"Also also, 8,000 years and humanity hasn't come up with something scarier than atomic weapons? I do not believe you!" I think it's quite potent that no, no humanity has not.

[@Nexyyy7]

and it's 20 000 not 8000

[@HIMPDahak]

Well they did radically improve them in those years, but that wasn't mentioned anywhere in the movie. The biggest improvement is somehow making them not irradiate the hell out of everything. Particularly when used as they were here. The fallout from using them to blow up that much stone and sand.... Arrakeen would be uninhabitable for at least a decade.

[@Saint0bi]

You gotta remember that this happens after the Butlerian Jihad. A massive revolt against AI and futuristic technology. Nukes are likely a holdover.

[@RepEvox]

@@HIMPDahak modern nukes don't irradiate

[@allenbell1427]

"It's been two hours, I think we all have to ducal signet" yup got me good

[@aliasfakename3159]

"You only need a mouthful of the Water of Life to do the ritual so killing a worm every time is a waste of worm" *ding*

[@JamieSteam]

There's no refrigerators in the future

[@Fleato]

@@JamieSteam well, have you seen really any electronic usage by the cave dwelling fremen lol. other than weaponry....

[@Cantlem]

12:10 “tune in to find out” Don’t you mean.. Dune in, to find out?

[@JZsBFF]

A road not taken! 1 sin off.

[@KAZVorpal]

The use of artillery is surprising, because in everywhere except doing they would have been using shields, against which the artillery would be useless. But on Arrakis, the sandworms are attracted by shields, therefore the habitations are not defended by shields.

[@_Feyd-Rautha]

I see what you're saying about when Chani shoots the thopter down. It makes it seem as if what she fired was a special round designed to penetrate Shields, like the Harkonnens used during the ambush in part 1, or the dart fired at the Duke. Vs a normal rocket that was able to hit the target bc the shield was down because the thopter was firing. Its possible it the shield came back on just as the rocket was about to make contact and barelt snuck through.

[@harryfieldson]

After looking up the difference between black and white and infrared photography, I appreciate Geidi Prime so much more. The planet has a black sun emitting totally different types of light. The shots are beautiful and convey what they're supposed to, but it also explains why the Harkonnen only wear dark robes, you'd only be able to see the colour indoors anyway. And those inkblot fireworks too - why would their culture evolve to use what we recognise as fireworks when there'd only ever be one colour explosion all the time, if you can't have colour contrast, have the form be fluid. Denis didn't NEED to do any of this to make a cool gladiator scene but it worked so well. Plus, the pit viper line delivery of "I ought to drown you in that tub" capped off one of the best character intros to Feyd so well and I just love it coming off the back of all the cool visuals to his fight. Amazing scene. Also, complete side note, Paul's visions are of POSSIBLE futures. There were some timelines where Jamis lived and became a great friend and teacher. He genuinely did listen to these teachings and hear things that 'kinda happen', despite him being dead in this future. The movie makes a point of this only way later and it doesn't really click back when they first tell you Jamis is important.

[@p-ruthless9005]

I loved the part where John dune said “It’s duneing time” and duned all over the place

[@AlexHarrison-zv4jj]

Certainly a Dune moment.

[@likecascade7015]

Not funny!

[@AlexHarrison-zv4jj]

@@likecascade7015 Ok

[@nathanpitek3177]

Certified Dune Moment (Hysterical comment)

[@mikiyachi2]

“John Dune” might as well be his name lmao

[@JugheadJones03]

I lost it at Onions and TIVO! 😆 Thanks. I can never unhear that!

[@Macapta]

10:15 Why would they apologise? The Bladerunner sequel was great.

[@johnmorgan1629]

Would've been better if Christopher Walken, had broken into the Weapon of Choice, by Fat Boy Slim, when he spoke to Paul.

[@Valkanna.Nublet]

"Do you want to know the story of this watch?"

[@Lordborgman]

I am still disappointed at him not doing that in costume, as well as Daemon and Viserys not acting out the "Andies" slide in an out of frame thing from Hot Fuzz in costume.

[@SashaandStorm]

The Harkonnen assault on the Atreides was a legitimate action in the context of their longstanding personal feud or kanly considered by itself, and the scandal of the attack consisted only in their collusion with the emperor. An implicit prohibition exists on the emperor siding against the individual houses of the Landsraad, as the strength of his Sardaukar army enables him to pick them off one by one. The combined resources of the great houses, therefore, stand as a counterbalancing bulwark against imperial aggression, which is why an all-out general war would erupt if the truth of the Harkonnen conspiracy came to light. Executing a few Atreides soldiers in a gladiatorial arena thus means little in the grand scheme of things. The book emphasizes the justification in terms of kanly even further, as the baron goads the duke into proclaiming a formal declaration of a feud and sending raids to Giedi Prime.

[@joaovictorkelima2551]

error/sin committed by cinemasins is that at the minute: 05:05 the fremens use a maula pistol that is used in the final battle by Chani herself, that's why Harkonnen is being hit by something

[@thomasfplm]

5:44 The shield does not deflect the projectile, it stops the projectile, that in this case has a propulsion system so it can slowly continue to push through the shield.

[@boringnoninterestingname65]

9:53 house on house warfare in the imperium is completely normal often seen as a survival of the fittest type idea, the thing that makes it controversial is the imperial house helping a lesser house exterminate another lesser house. Which completely upsets the status quo of conventional house on house violence. And considering that in the eyes of the great houses the Harkonnens beat the Atredies fair and square and should be able to do whatever they want with the spoils I mean slavery is prevalent in this universe.

[@namesrowan3288]

the fact this is over a minute is wild

[@panzer4391]

The movie is shitty. Part 1 was good. Part 2 was rushed. Felt like Game of Thrones season 8 all over again.

[@FearTheBlades]

@@panzer4391 That's the worst take I've read all year

[@ShardDeVir]

​@@panzer4391and from the looks of it, first was closer to the book, but scenes with lasers were idiotic, aff.

[@namesrowan3288]

@@panzer4391 worst take ive ever hear in my life

[@c.ladimore1237]

also the great houses don't know b/c the f-ng emperor was in on the entire plan. did you even watch the movies?

[@theoneglorylucky3071]

interesting thing about the laser , it react violently with shield . As in erupted in nuclear flame level of violent

[@88porpoise]

Which is reasonable to not use it against the shielded thopter. But nothing on the ground can be shielded, they could have used las guns on the harvester from the start.

[@HIMPDahak]

@@88porpoise If they fire at the crawlers the thopter can find them and direct the crawlers missiles to them. They even show it in the first movie in the opening sequence. The harvester fires off a volley of missiles at the lasgunners and they get blown to hell. The Fremen don't have a whole hell of a lot of those to begin with, so losing any is a major loss. They would be fantastic for fighting in the desert since no one on the ground has shields, but by the same token all it would take to flip the script would be to sacrifice an attack team by having them activate shields when under las fire. Sure, the sqaud is hosed whether the shield pops or worms show up, but now they will think twice about using lasguns too prolifically. I would totally set up remote operated heavy las gun bunkers outside of places you want to defend to deal with any incoming enemy ships though. Either the lasgun carves the ship up or you lose the remote bunker and the ship either blows up or loses its shield. At which point the second remote bunker finishes the job.

[@88porpoise]

@@HIMPDahak Except they suffered signifi any losses from the close assault and, as noted in the video, later sense show them using lasguns against harvesters while ornithopters are present.

[@KAZVorpal]

Them using either Shields or last guns in the desert makes no sense at all. That is the opposite of what happened in the actual novel, because the shields attract worms, and the lasguns cause both the gun and the shield to explode like a nuclear bomb, because of the Holzman effect. So neither of them is used on Arrakis.

[@ErikNordgren]

4:50 was your chance to knock a sin off for Rebecca Ferguson’s performance homie

[@alexhousakos]

5:58 I am sure someone mentioned it but these are lasguns and in-lore if they come in contact with shields the reaction becomes nuclear. Not a risk they can take.

[@thatoneskierdude4410]

how was there no sins taken off of the monologue in that big sanctuary where he convinced the people he was the lisan al gaib. Timothee absolutely nailed this role

[@justinwood1227]

The pickle man, the one who points the way 😂😂😭

[@intothefrayyo]

20:24 the conflict with Chani & Paul was soooo forced lol.. the movie was definitely beautiful to watch though

[@ProjectMayhem4Chaoz]

How exactly is that forced dude? She just saw him betray her in multiple levels, not only by asking another girl's hand in marriage (which to her came out of nowhere), but by doing exactly what he promised her he wouldn't do: becoming someone other than Paul Atreides. I would be fucking pissed too

[@colormedubious4747]

@@ProjectMayhem4Chaoz She understood why that was necessary in the book and was ALL about Paul getting revenge for their murdered son, the first Leto II. Also, Alia killed the Baron with a gom jabbar while she was a captive. Baller move! I get why he left Alia out of most of the film, but he did Chani dirty.

[@camerongct]

@@colormedubious4747 Agreed. Chani should be smart enough to understand his path to victory lay in politics, and that she would fill the same role as his mother did to his father. This movie's ending conflict made her look stupid and immature.

[@colormedubious4747]

@@camerongct "History will call us wives."

[@mitchelmosier7205]

@@camerongct Except the whole point is she explicitly told Paul that she didn’t want him to take over the Fremen as a religious leader because they both know that it is a fake story. She was angry before the marriage even happened but that is just the icing on the cake. Now she has watched Paul manipulate her entire people into a cult of the leader while also watching him use their newfound loyalty as a power grab to take over as emperor of the great houses. I don’t get how it’s hard for people to understand why her character is angry (and also why people are so upset about her change in characterization from the book when the change was made specifically to display to the audience that what Paul is doing isn’t good)

[@StephenLeGresley]

This film looks visually stunning but it has major flaws in the story. 1) If Alia no longer kills the Baron it takes away all the meaning and weight of him possessing her in the future. 2) If the film ends with Chani turning away from Paul, then how are the Twins supposed to be born? If they're going to say that she's already pregnant that messes up the whole timeline. I'm not trying to insult anyones scared cow here but this movie does mess up a lot of the future events.

[@vesbarrow]

They'll probably show her forgiving him and whatnot

[@StephenLeGresley]

@@vesbarrow But how and why? How can they do that and have it make sense?

[@vesbarrow]

@@StephenLeGresley we'll have to wait and see

[@StephenLeGresley]

@@vesbarrow Yea but the only way they can move forward is to basically re-write Dune Messiah completely which I think it what's going to happen as he has no plans to go beyond that book so I think he's going to leave the Twins out and change the story to Chani leading a rebellion against Paul because why not just do Fan Fiction at this point?

[@dwinosam]

You nerds need a real life hobby

[@maximilliansantiago5208]

The thopter getting destroyed... you didnt see in the background the carry all gettting cut and dropping the harvester?

[@datwee7576]

Fair to say that the reason the planet was most likely called Dune was from the first people who settled. The arrivals probably named it Arakis but the humans coming from Earth to settle probably saw the whole thing was a desert and gave it Dune as a slang name. Thats probably why its a name the oldest know, aside from that its mostly implied that everything realted to Arabic culture is not actualy Arabic culture but rather just a culture on its own. Would also explain why everyone calls it Arakis, they wouldent know what the settlers nicknamed it. The only person besides Paul who name drops it is the Baron but considering he ruled it for however many years im sure hes heard the term come up before making his 'My Desert' speach more impactful since its kinda a pet name for the planet he has no right using but has greedily co-opted

[@-Kuler-]

9:35 it's not 10.191, more like 26.191. Year 0 is the invention of Guild intergalactic travel system, not our year 0.

[@cangaroojack]

The reverend mother ritual being always lethal for men because they make it so it's only survivable for other bene gesserit, which with the exeption of paul, are always women

[@AnonymousOnimous]

To be fair... It makes sense they would've kept the nukes a secret even though accessing them required a member of the Atreides bloodline because knowing their location would've motivated enemies to kidnap an Atreides to access them. Similarly... I wouldn't really want my 15 year old son to know where the nukes are. I'd want my advisors to know that to tell him in the case of my untimely death.

[@GalinaEv]

advisors who are dead too? i mean it was like they met, no?

[@evilempryss]

When the bodies started falling I really thought they'd play "It's Raining Men" 😅

[@veestormcourage]

I guess it was to simplify things and avoid some of the awkwardness of a toddler on set, but the oddly prescient fetus was actually an oddly prescient toddler at this point in the books.

[@Macapta]

Wonder how they’ll handle the time jump for the next one then. We see her fully grown in those visions, so that’s like 17-20 years. Gonna need some old man make up for Timothy.

[@chuzhoy333]

i waited a long time for this vid and i am absolutley shocked there was no sin removal for the Geidi Prime scene and Pauls speech..

[@whole.milk__]

9:44 Jesse Eisenberg was so funny i can't unsee it now

[@marcojmflumino8713]

i love how he did not even mention the impractical nature of having the dune worms attack from one direction where they would go straight through the enemies defenses and into your army on the other side which was flanking

[@Matsyendranath792]

I'm really glad someone has taken this film to task, it thoroughly deserves it, so does the first. Films of this magnitude used to be great, neither of these came close to action epics of previous decades.

[@FerociousMoOoO]

Sin 15 - That's because she doesn't, in the book it's Gurney that teaches him that, it's why in the first film where Paul gets overwhelmed by the spice when rescuing the spice miners on the crawler he says 'I recognise your footsteps old man' when Gurney runs up to rescue him. Gurney finds him sitting with his back to the door reading a filmbooks and scolds him about it. Paul then says he can recognise Gurneys footsteps and would be able to spot someone trying to imamate him, and Gurney even thinks to himself that Paul would indeed be able to tell. Sin 100 - Technically Dr Strange stole that from Dune.

[@Jonno92100]

As a Rooster Teeth fan, the first joke lands for me, sin David Zaslav all day, every day.

[@dirks9816]

2:14: The "dont stand with your back to the open" is a reference from the book where there is a scene where Guerney Hallek enters the Pauls room and scolds him for standing with his back to the door. Paul answers that he recognized his footsteps but Guerney dismisses this...but later in this movie (10:43), Paul is under the sand and reconizes his footsteps and spares him. I found this very cool.

[@hextarvigar6905]

12:12 Because according to the rules of warfare, atomic weapons are supposed to be illegal. It's pretty much known that most families skirt around it, but it's not exactly a topic brought up at the dinner table.

[@tomislavtomic6532]

The greatest sin in both movies is that they move through the deep desert with their faces not covered!

[@jefftheworthlessnut]

Getting an ad at 10:14 for Gladiator 2 was too perfect lol😂

[@armandoocana409]

The "back to the open" is a reference to the first movie cynical sin man

[@AdamaSanguine]

Ok, now I need to see a Family Guy or HISHE Musical Chairs Parody Ending! 😂🤣

[@keinbockaufillusionen464]

The problem with the Crawler attack scene is that it establishes the thopters as a threat that needs to be dealt with by rockets, because lasguns on shields would create two nuclear explosions. Yet two scenes later they dont give a fuck and just lasgun straight at the crawler, now even with multiple possibly shielded thopters around. Its a big continuity error and makes me mad every time i watch it.

[@Dr3amChas3r02]

15:46 this…this right here officially made CinemaSins my all time favorite KZbin channel 😂🤣

[@theabstractgander2007]

you missed the part in the arena where you remove 500 sins for being the best piece of cinema in the last several years

[@tyleroutland435]

one of my favorite movies I have seen this year

[@grantruiter34]

I cant wait for the sinning cinema sins video on this one. He’ll find alot to pick apart in it lol.

[@Skiddlescout]

This movie is perfect. The only thing I'd have ever changed is adding in the line "You will never know which knife holds the poison" after the arena scene. Everything about this movie was perfect and an absolute cinematic delight. But, it's gotta have some sins added on for needing to read the books to understand the movie

[@soilsurvivor]

This may just be the best one you've ever done. Brilliant!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ErrorEmpirE]

Syfy mini series was better. Not in presentation, these two films are exquisite audio visual feasts… but drawn out and anti climatic story telling. To be honest, I feel this way about Denis entire filmography. His movies work best as art installations.

[@GoldenFinch3704]

Agreed, story telling wise the miniseries is still best. And even visually it has its charms evn though looking dated even when it came out. But Chalamet beats Newman being Paul.

[@lordcrunk4790]

Sin: no one refers to Irulan by name.

[@coreymay918]

An additional sin for this part two being longer than the 1984 theatrical cut

[@Drums-ve8on]

This type of a movie is s trmendous challenge to actors. Trying to avoid breaking out in laughter or waiting to laugh until they hear “Cut!”.

[@Valkanna.Nublet]

I still think the 3 hour fan edit of the 1984 Dune is a better film, even if it does have some major inaccuracies.

[@oompie815]

2 minutes of outtakes. I love it.

[@fallencorporal]

Love how he needed to be taught everything instead of following the whole "he'll know your ways"

[@Delekhan]

Nice work everyone! Cracked me up, as usual.

[@Hx4_8587]

"Movie steals the dr strange from infinity war" it is adapted from a book from the 60s.

[@_GeneralMechanics_]

Add another sin for when Jessica says she has no idea how they choose a Reverend Mother. The Bene Gesserit established the whole religion the Fremen believe in. How does she now know how it's supposed to work?

[@rodman012003]

I don't know which is worse, the movie industry's predilection of making horribly scripted movies, or people watching them and then raving about how good they are.

[@awholelotofgeek]

Yes I needed this at almost 2am unable to seelp this is perfect.