Thank you so much for watching this video (and the others, if you have). So many of these comments are so funny and supportive of the video, series, and channel that it's just surreal. I did, however, make an oopsie and say that LeBron was drafted in 2004, when in fact, he was drafted in 2003! Classic me.
@Mazzawak4 жыл бұрын
Great series Clayton, and while I agree that Kobe Bryant doesn't have a case for GOAT, do you not think that George Mikan has one? 5 time NBA champion, rule changes made in order to stop him, defining the role of the big man, and has the statistics to back him up. I would really be interested in hearing your opinion about it.
@BlahBlah-mg6em4 жыл бұрын
You should do julius erving
@jameswebb66814 жыл бұрын
@@Mazzawak I know my opinion doesnt matter, I would disagree with Mikan on the grounds that the league is so fundamentally changed since Mikan it would be impossible to view him aw the greatest. Unlike Baseball where the statistics and measurement for greatness has remained virtually unchanged since Babe Ruth started slugging 1.250 and Ty Cobb reached 4,000 hits, basketballs standard for greatness has shifted so far from Mikan's era and even the idea of dominance at the Center position was overtaken by the 3 guys Clayton profiled. From championships with Russell, to stats, accolades and longevity with Kareem to cultural impact with all the above for Jordan and LeBron, Mikan seems like an Oscar Robertson or Hakeem Olajuwon, certainly in the top 25 and you can make an argument for top 10 but doesn't in my eyes fit GOAT but I'd have him in my top 20
@ronilokristopherbonacua96924 жыл бұрын
@Clayton Crowley. Please please make a case for the Black Mamba. Thank you! God bless. 🐍 #For24
@mariojimenez61184 жыл бұрын
What's next for this channel? Obviously you've pointed out the 8 arguable GOATS in bball, but will you branch out of bball and make claims for GOATS in all other sports? I personally love this video series and want to see more!
@littleprince81644 жыл бұрын
"Built like Karl Malone, Passes like Bird, Jumps like Michael and a surveys the court like Magic Johnson.. Faster than the Strongest and Stronger than the fastest" Woow what a line!!
@zinjgreen33984 жыл бұрын
Uet was outplayed by role player in a series, not just a game the whole series!!
@bgbills104 жыл бұрын
Zorain Green it happens bro! Ask any Great who they had the hardest time playing against, and they will almost certainly always name some 2nd tier athlete, that just uniquely knew how to cover that player. They will name the player and you’ll be like “who?”
@zinjgreen33984 жыл бұрын
@@bgbills10 you can be outplayed in a game by a star is ok but the whole series by a role player is unforgivable
@dudelittle1474 жыл бұрын
Zorain Green look man I'm a huge LeBron fan and I now he had a bad performance that finals man but everyone has a choke job like magic he said in the video Larry bird Kobe and etc man so just because Jason Terry did had better performance then LeBron why doesn't it means he's all those things because he his he just had one bad performance man
@orielya56244 жыл бұрын
@@zinjgreen3398 and jordan was outplayed in the 5 first years of his playoff carrer. So...... u think jordan is not the goat? He is but stil he also had his faults.
@zak82114 жыл бұрын
This series is better than any thing ESPN could ever do. Props to you
@Jake-jo4fw4 жыл бұрын
Lol you must've never watched 30 for 30. When espn tries they're spectacular
@Akuei13Chiman134 жыл бұрын
Honestly
@kennethli84 жыл бұрын
This is the most unbias video on MJ Lebron Comparison. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qp2WnoVsmtR4l5o
@PredatorBunny4 жыл бұрын
It’s big Bill Simmons 30 for 30 vibes and I’d love for Clayton to connect with him and get on a pod episode or something. A young guy as knowledgeable as him vs someone who started out very similar but damn near 30 would be a conversation I’d love to hear
@bradystafford76542 жыл бұрын
@@kennethli8 Just because he says “Jordan is the Goat” doesn’t make it unbiased
@dollarstoreconsigliere4 жыл бұрын
I love how one random guy on the internet can make a better series than an entire global company.
@dakidbiscuit6243 жыл бұрын
Fan analysis is always the best
@RefRed_King3 жыл бұрын
@@dakidbiscuit624 frfr
@snaleman3 жыл бұрын
Man's got nothing to sell. Immediate advantage these days. Got to say, it's some of the most unbiased and balanced sports reporting I've seen in any sport. Keep it up.
@idkpls182 жыл бұрын
KZbin rewind?
@albertkirtlandjr67352 жыл бұрын
True
@Edainboy2 жыл бұрын
This was made two years ago, LBJ has won another title since and is leading the league in scoring at 37 averaging 30.1 - 8.2 - 6.3... year 19
@swaggerbg55312 жыл бұрын
and his 4th finals mvp
@valuxlevelux56182 жыл бұрын
scoring doesn't mean a shitt at all. All the teams have played for lebron to score. He still has a pretty shitty %
@swaggerbg55312 жыл бұрын
@@valuxlevelux5618 30 ppg on 52 percent from the field is shitty?
@valuxlevelux56182 жыл бұрын
@@swaggerbg5531 @Swagger BG On the paper maybe its not. But in reality they lost most games after 10 minutes and laqueen was free to score. They didn't even make the playoffs. So yes it proves my point ; scoring doesnt mean a shit at all. What if he made 50 ppg and still missed playoffs ?
@valuxlevelux56182 жыл бұрын
Also laqueen didn't play A LOT of games that mattered the most, like in the end of the season. That coward didn't even want to take responsability of missing playoffs.
@DarkKing0094 жыл бұрын
They've been a spotlight on this man career since he was 16 years old he's a goat for not going insane
@samparker59084 жыл бұрын
There is no such thing as "A GOAT"
@eb1gd6274 жыл бұрын
Sam Parker he was just messing lol
@Akgamestar1374 жыл бұрын
All facts. Most would’ve been snapped.
@noahamankwaah98024 жыл бұрын
@@Akgamestar137 I know I would lol.
@stevennorris71813 жыл бұрын
Was that after MJ's 2nd retirement?.......correct me if I'm wrong that after returning from his first retirement that the Bulls won three rings and Michael Jordan won three MVP rings consecutively?, guess whats going to happen after Lebron's first retirement....no one will care about him little more than a season later.
@rs210.4 жыл бұрын
I was a Lebron hater when I was younger, I almost hated him as much as I hated Kobe which says a lot, especially as a Spurs fan. However, I realized how wrong I was after Kobe declined and eventually retired, I never enjoyed his run and was genuinely sad to see Kobe leave the game, and that caused me to pivot and learn to appreciate all of the things lebron does. He's the most complete player I think i'll ever see, I hope he can win 2 or 3 more rings before we transition into the next era of basktball.
@Tbaby474 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that you can see the game objectively and without bias. You my friend are a legit basketball fan and we need more people like you.
@jaydonturner23674 жыл бұрын
He is pretty likely to get one this year
@fedekrell4 жыл бұрын
Every spurs fan around the world backs you up.
@bryceevans77494 жыл бұрын
Well, he's likely gonna get one this year (unless the Heat continue their rampage all the way)
@TonsterTube4 жыл бұрын
We about to go in to the Luka Doncic Era no cap
@jackreynolds80364 жыл бұрын
Holy moly all the hair on my body is standing up after those ending lines.
@PaulMaree4 жыл бұрын
I damn well nearly shed a tear
@jordanreid99224 жыл бұрын
Paul Maree I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE
@kadenheldt55904 жыл бұрын
I’m currently weeping. This made me realize how much he’s done for the sport.
@extremelypositiveperson18114 жыл бұрын
I've watched this man play for 19 years and I'm chokin up. Damn!
@ddp54064 жыл бұрын
@@extremelypositiveperson1811 i can't believe he is still going at mvp levels...favorite to win finals mvp with a 3rd different coach and team...alot of ppl get extra salty with him in these debates because deep down in their hearts they know he has a legit claim to throne as much as jordan or any other great they want to put there.
@airgordo42 жыл бұрын
As a guy who’s team Jordan in the GOAT debate the reason many people get so up in arms over LeBron is because LeBron is the biggest threat to their GOAT. Simple as that. They don’t admit it, but on a subconscious level that is the answer.
@morrellhouston2 жыл бұрын
Saying what was on my mind
@jackpeterson3052 жыл бұрын
Lebron is the only real competition
@dexter_johnson2 жыл бұрын
You hit the nail on the head. I think MJ is the greatest, but LeBron is my personal favorite between the two and I'd love for him or anyone else to pass MJ given his character.
@joshuachang52102 жыл бұрын
@@jackpeterson305 Kareem
@FinanceMan2 жыл бұрын
He’s not even close
@jameelfuller4934 жыл бұрын
Next you should make a case series for the greatest NBA teams of all time examples 96 Bulls, 16 Warriors, Showtime Lakers etc.
@jackheeke48974 жыл бұрын
YESSSSS
@whatstuntman48764 жыл бұрын
Celtics hands down
@seanathanfitz78874 жыл бұрын
CLAYTON PLEASE
@EmpaGalactica4 жыл бұрын
that is such a good idea
@Snodrr4 жыл бұрын
AMEN
@v1LL3n_nZ4 жыл бұрын
Whether he is your GOAT or not, its goddamn refreshing to see everyone showing respect in the comments.
@raw58894 жыл бұрын
Xavier Bucknor nah I slandered him
@Tornado57864 жыл бұрын
@@raw5889 That's because you're a clown
@jokimbuenafe134 жыл бұрын
still lot’s of shit in the replies bud it’s just the sad reality of youtube comments
@logantrashh77814 жыл бұрын
specially compared to Twitter
@Greenwoodthecowboy4 жыл бұрын
Lebron is a joke
@reio19514 жыл бұрын
The funny thing is that this series is so good and the arguments are so compelling that it only makes you feel LESS confident in who the G.O.A.T is due to the now 8 equally sound cases presented.
@ethanennis84 жыл бұрын
Like after every video I felt like I redid my alltime ranking
@-piras4 жыл бұрын
I think thats the intention, his intro says exactly that there is no way to say for certain if one player is the goat but he rties to give equally compeling arguments to the ones most popular, that he thinks that would make sense to discuss, and does that flawlessly
@bigred46554 жыл бұрын
Which is how it should be. Not that it should make you ultimately change who you think your GOAT is, but it will hopefully make you at least acknowledge that other opinions are also valid.
@1987retroman4 жыл бұрын
It is a great series, but I think Bird, Magic, and especially Russel and Duncan all have pretty dubious goat claims. If in any given year, you aren't clearly the best player in the world, how can you be the goat? LeBron probably has the longest continuous reign of best player in the league. 2008-2017 or even until present. Jordan had like 1990-1998 but the last year is fairly dubious and he had a 2 year gap.
@reio19514 жыл бұрын
@@1987retroman I don't see how Russels claim is dubious. In a competitive sport surely the best winner of all time should automatically be in the conversation for G.O.A.T. Not saying they automatically are the best but you've gotta be considered.
@JMRH7052 жыл бұрын
The coolest thing about lebron is that you could probably add another 20 minutes to this video by the time he’s retired what a legend man
@kotonibaggs14092 жыл бұрын
his longevity is absolutely unreal and probably will be unmatched. he can basically do anything on the court and has done it for 19 years straight is unfathomable, the fact that he's still top 10 in year 19 is unheard of but also crazy to think about when you take into the account that he was the best rookie of his class and that he dominated the league from 2008-2018 (its not like it took him a while to rise to stardom but was a star as soon as he came into the league
@h.cheema78182 жыл бұрын
I hope he has the longest career ever
@ChurchNietzsche2 жыл бұрын
The coolest thing about LeBron is :: He Plays In Jordan's Old Number. ... there is nothing else "Cool" about that drama queen!!
@cdazo32 Жыл бұрын
yes add 6 finals losses soon the only player with 5000 turnovers a career 2.10 assist to turnover ratio cries whines flops jumps ship and recently acts like a 2 year old doesn't he have 2 bronze medals mj and kobe have golds ah he's the goat... in his mind and bronsexuals too
@Faplandis Жыл бұрын
@@cdazo32 MJ's assist to turnover ratio is literally worse than Bron's lmao. Bron got the same amount of bronze and golds kobe does so what are you smoking with that point? Like I don't think bron's the goat, but these arguments are ridiculous. Just say MJ won more in less years and ur done lol
@aleister666xx4 жыл бұрын
"How is it that going to the Finals and losing, is worse than not making it at all?!" My thoughts exactly..
@TheRaidernation334 жыл бұрын
That kind of thinking is what separates the GOATS and other greats there is no 2nd place trophies it’s you either win or lose yeah he’s made it to more finals but he’s lost more than won. Losing is losing doesn’t matter if it’s the first round or finals, MJ knew this Bird Magic Bryant knew this no excuses you make it that far you HAVE to win
@Sg6CrossOver4 жыл бұрын
@@TheRaidernation33 In my country we have a lemme that says "nadar, nadar e morrer na praia", basically "swim,swim and die on the Beach"....How much matter If came this Far and couldn't take It home.
@TheRaidernation334 жыл бұрын
One I agree you make it that far and you can’t close the deal then you’ve failed.
@Gush274 жыл бұрын
TheRaidernation33 Well according to detractors, it does matter. I see “3-6” everywhere when bashing LeBron. Yet nobody talks about first round exits from certain other players.
@TheRaidernation334 жыл бұрын
gush beats Mj was heavily criticized for losing early in career what are you talking about?
@judahherod78674 жыл бұрын
I realize this is way too late to be relevant in the conversation, but I was born in 2001. I've watched this series religiously and I decided that I would sit down with my dad and watch this LeBron one. As soon as the Jordan truthers comment came up, I asked him, "Why does LeBron get Jordan truthers so angry when it comes to GOAT conversations?" He simply said, "He's the only real threat." Needless to say, he loved this video and we watched the rest of the series together. You really changed his mind on Tim Duncan ("I never really saw him like that, but yeah, he's underrated") and LeBron to the point where he said that he thinks historically Jordan is 1 and LeBron will retire and 1A. Crazy stuff. Thanks for giving me and the old man a chance to talk about this on a more level playing field!
@EliteMonkey1974 жыл бұрын
That's dope
@JahleelX-xx9wd4 жыл бұрын
I knew it all along bro. That's the only explanation because if he weren't they wouldn't mention him so much. But to actually hear it from the horse's mouth is pretty dope.
@mikelitoris39154 жыл бұрын
ur dad is a wise man
@ljchicken18854 жыл бұрын
Ur lucky to have such a reasonable dad
@geordiejones56184 жыл бұрын
@@JahleelX-xx9wd The louder they hate the more they fear. Almost 20 years since he was first deemed The Chosen One. We are all witness.
@georgetheodosiou31784 жыл бұрын
This is the best basketball series of videos ever made.
@michaelscottpapercompany61914 жыл бұрын
It’s beautiful bro
@jamesmartens85434 жыл бұрын
So true
@mr.combsey84584 жыл бұрын
amen
@oglegacy40864 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@-piras4 жыл бұрын
Some would say, the greatest basketball series of all time
@dylan9013 Жыл бұрын
The fact that he added another ring, another FMVP, became the all-time leading scorer in NBA regular season history, and had the insane stats at 38 AFTER this video made an argument for him being the GOAT is quite a testament to who he is as a player.
@NowayTino11 ай бұрын
He is now the inaugural In Season Tournament winner, on his way to be the first man to score 40,000 points, and continues to score
@dylan901311 ай бұрын
@@NowayTino AND he'll break Oscar Schmidt's record of 49,737 points scored in a professional career, and take his total over 50,000. Greatest scorer ever.
@oceanwaves8311 ай бұрын
Give me a detailed list of what he's put in his body over the years (you can't- I guarantee he juiced his entire career and being such a cash cow was given the green light to do so), how much money he spent, how many games he missed (compared to Jordan), how many times he just gave up on plating defense, etc... then we'll have some context for his durability longevity.
@dylan901311 ай бұрын
@@oceanwaves83 basing your argument on something you can't prove (him being juiced) is not an honest argument. Nice try though.
@oceanwaves8311 ай бұрын
@dylan9013 No, that's actually a highly flawed way of thinking. In recent years people have gotten too obsessed by "facts and evidence" to the point where they've lost nearly all wisdom, foresight, and common sense. Someone might hypothesize that if we created a national speed limit of 300mph, it would result in more car accidents. These days, someone like you will come along and say "that's not true there's no evidence of that" while seemingly making a laughable attempt at siezing some perceived intellectual high ground. People are so obsessed with "facts and evidence" they would justify buying a used car with advertised "New hood! New front bumper! New radiator! Fresh paint!" simply because they see 4 facts and know that new parts are better than old parts. They can't recognize that the vehicle has been in a wreck because they've lost all common sense. Be aware that you may be starting to lose sight of the forest due to all the trees.
@andreingramakadjscrewrip73724 жыл бұрын
Plot Twist: No one's hating on LeBron in this comment section
@RoDiggity37434 жыл бұрын
Let me finish watching..I'm halfway done.
@stefanski484 жыл бұрын
Lebrons in here deleting the hateful comments.
@certifiedbanga8744 жыл бұрын
Is that even possible??
@Trdjj64474 жыл бұрын
Dont worry mate, i ll be on it, but first let me finish this masterpiece of a vidéo.
@senorbailey54964 жыл бұрын
Hate the person but can't hate the game
@cubfan4 жыл бұрын
So today I'll be making the case, for Making the Case, as the most entertaining and fair basketball GOAT series of all time.
@Noresiduel4 жыл бұрын
What the hell are you doing here?
@Lucas-zh3zx4 жыл бұрын
Jack Bernstein I was gonna say the same thing
@theonlyalecazam29474 жыл бұрын
Cubfan watches basketball???
@Frdnnd4 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, minecraft player
@Bubs-_-4 жыл бұрын
Better than the last dance by far
@brentblackmon99814 жыл бұрын
Next time on Making the Case: Clayton Crowley
@emperorza57774 жыл бұрын
No cap
@rare59604 жыл бұрын
david freeeman cap
@emperorza57774 жыл бұрын
Rare big cap
@zackalto81144 жыл бұрын
What about Alex curroso
@charl_lee2 жыл бұрын
The idea of 5 LeBron’s vs 5 of anybody is accurate, hilarious, and terrifying at the same time🤣
@jonsnow33002 жыл бұрын
Imagine xd
@theroadrunnerjarhead41092 жыл бұрын
5 lebron James on a starting team would absolutely destroy a team consisting of wilt chamberlain, bill Russell,Oscar Robertson, magic Johnson, and Michael Jordan. He would embarrass wilt chamberlain and bill Russell around the basket. He would make magic Johnson look like a high schooler. And Michael Jordan would be exposed by lebron James as a wannabe NBA player. Oscar Robertson would look like a junior high school basketball team substitute. If he wants to lebron James would average 40 points a game, 25 rebounds, 10 blocks, and 15 assists in every game.
@Kreontas2 жыл бұрын
@@theroadrunnerjarhead4109 I can totally see that, but don't know how he beats 5 Birds...
@majikss2 жыл бұрын
@@Kreontas he would easily
@arhaanwarsi2342 жыл бұрын
i think his athleticism along with higher basketball iq would give him the edge over bird. He also better defense on perimeter and inside, and 5 different lebron's of pure athleticism and high level plays would overwhelm bird despite bird's wide arsenal of scoring methods.
@PaulMaree4 жыл бұрын
Great series finale. Entertaining, insightful, persuasive. Well done, Mr Crowley. Interested to see what the LeBron haters come back with and looking forward to the next series/videos.
@ColonelAngus34 жыл бұрын
"he's not the strongest or the fastest, but he's faster than the strongest and stronger than the fastest" crazy line
@jamesh74694 жыл бұрын
It sounds dope but it’s actually not that impressive, a lot of athletes in the NBA fit that criteria
@ryanh10134 жыл бұрын
It sounds a lot cooler than it is. To meet the criteria say in today’s NBA all you would have to do is be stronger than De’Aron Fox and faster than Andre Drummond. That’s pretty much just every SG, SF, and PF in the league, also includes a lot of PGs and Cs.
@yomega83364 жыл бұрын
@@jamesh7469 its not to be taken that literally its just highlighting that james is an incredible athlete even amongst the best in the world
@AndyZach4 жыл бұрын
I'd say for the first half of his career Lebron WAS the fastest in the league. He's still the quickest power forward, and he still chases down guards from behind.
@i_sharky4 жыл бұрын
Ngl I failed to appreciate Lebron’s skill at his size. It’s crazy to see
@matthew-34374 жыл бұрын
When he retires in 2033 YOU HAVE TO REMAKE THIS VIDEO. ENDING GIVES ME CHILLS EVERYTIME.
@geraldwilson17054 жыл бұрын
Lebron go retire anotha 5 years
@TrippiiOfficial3 жыл бұрын
@@geraldwilson1705 another 9
@emiliovgc5073 жыл бұрын
@@TrippiiOfficial LeBron is immortal, he's like the queen of England.
@TrippiiOfficial3 жыл бұрын
@@emiliovgc507 love it bro
@TrippiiOfficial3 жыл бұрын
@@emiliovgc507 you actually had me dying with laughter
@felipefasanella7764 Жыл бұрын
Man. This video needs an update ASAP. If he had a strong case with 3x6, he now has 4, better longevity and is the all time leading scorer. The GOAT
@OriginFormeLad Жыл бұрын
Nah, he's still far far faaaaaar away from Jordan.
@Shadow-jw1kt Жыл бұрын
@@OriginFormeLad if you think he’s that far off, you very clearly don’t know basketball.
@felipefasanella7764 Жыл бұрын
@@OriginFormeLad someone doesn't know anything about basketball.
@yuvanmar42 Жыл бұрын
@@OriginFormeLad why.
@waiterjoesh8859 Жыл бұрын
@@yuvanmar42 just a hater. No sane person thinks hes faaaar away from jordan
@1Heirborn4 жыл бұрын
Jordan is still my GOAT, but LeBron has earned the right to be in the conversation. Anyone who downplays LeBron's achievements on the court shouldn't be taken seriously.
@leultrainstinct4063 жыл бұрын
Respect coming from a bron fan. Wish there were more mj fans like this lol.
@fnef8j8edjdn363 жыл бұрын
you have the respect from a bron fan
@inigobantok15793 жыл бұрын
Iam an mj fan but lebron is truly the perfect basketball player I mean in 2k my career I always modeled my player to a 6'9 250 lbs Small Forward with the speed of a guard strength of a power forward center and durability of a small forward
@asar91923 жыл бұрын
this is fax
@jeromymorel59523 жыл бұрын
Respectable bro finally not a MJ muncher
@Solitude1024 жыл бұрын
I immediately dropped all that I was doing for this video. What a gem of a series. You have a serious knack for writing, video editing, and narrating. Great video.
@LeSlippy4 жыл бұрын
A view and argument on LeBron James that I have never seen or heard before, and what an argument it is. Awesome series, fantastic throughout. Looking forward to your future content, Clayton “Clutch” Crawley! 😁🏀
@lakers4life714 жыл бұрын
How did you view this so early
@LeSlippy4 жыл бұрын
Lakers4Life Lakers4Life subscribed to Clayton’s Patreon! :)
@campbellross7714 Жыл бұрын
That is the perfect way to describe LeBron’s physical attributes "he’s not the strongest or the fastest, but he’s stronger than the fastest and faster than the strongest"
@liveesunflower4 жыл бұрын
Its so weird seeing how small LeBron was even as a teenager because I am so used to him looking like a damn freight train
@LectricVonThunder4 жыл бұрын
I literally was thinking the same thing haha
@devdagoat25744 жыл бұрын
Trap Settingz or he works out?😂
@whippercream89984 жыл бұрын
@Trap Settingz He spends millions on his body a year. He cuts out foods and lives on a strict diet specifically made to make him the strongest he can be
@LectricVonThunder4 жыл бұрын
@Trap Settingz Its always funny how some people will say this and when you ask why the be like "just look at him". Then you point dudes like Dwight Howard, Andre Iguodala, Giannis, and Zion and they be like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Dude is just gifted and takes care of himself.
@stevetheiii4774 жыл бұрын
@@whippercream8998 so going on a diet costs millions per year? Yeah "he definitely isn't on roids"
@DarkKing0094 жыл бұрын
I believe LeBron James is the most criticize and overanalyze player of all time
@JCJ12345678904 жыл бұрын
He’s the first big star in the internet era
@unopaz49704 жыл бұрын
He is in the time where basketball is at its most popular
@jamesconnell84784 жыл бұрын
Uno Paz 100% agree, more of an international game now than ever
@ellsworthconstructionllc4 жыл бұрын
@@JCJ1234567890 kobe is dude
@ellsworthconstructionllc4 жыл бұрын
@@unopaz4970 basketball is not the most popular in the world and football is America most popular sport.
@gorankrznar894 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ, the ending gave me goosebumps
@jaysontatum014 жыл бұрын
SAME btw ily
@maxwell56044 жыл бұрын
Same wtf
@jacobfinemusic4 жыл бұрын
Same
@nicorosal23534 жыл бұрын
Same
@brianvandersmitte30634 жыл бұрын
Yes wtfff
@j-sinister92748 ай бұрын
Since this video he went from 4th to 1st in points 10th to 4th in assists 56th to 32nd in rebounds and he's STILL playing
@ayemoe58427 ай бұрын
You forgot an extra ring, finals MVP, first ever in season tournament winner and finals MVP for that tournament.
@NewWorldDreams476 ай бұрын
And several All Stars and All NBA
@SokinRidis5 ай бұрын
He desperately trying to catch up but he falls lower and lower. He is hopeless in the top 10 discussion.
@j-sinister92745 ай бұрын
@@SokinRidis what
@geordiejones56184 ай бұрын
@@SokinRidisthe hate will never end it and it will always be his biggest argument as the greatest. Why would Jordan fanboys get so in their feelings about him versus any other goat candidate? Because it's just those two. No one else is truly on that level.
@dearmas90683 жыл бұрын
"We as sports fans fetishize potential" Great quote
@Maddolis2 жыл бұрын
The arts (music particularly) do it too. It can make a few careers but it destroys thousands consistently, and leaves them with a host of mental health problems to boot.
@tahsinthoughts2 жыл бұрын
so true, it really affects how we talk about D Rose :(
@NewPatek_ Жыл бұрын
@@tahsinthoughtsIt really affects how we talk about any player. We always say “What if” to any player who didn’t pan out or didn’t reach their potential due to injury or had some sort of tragedy strike them… eg. T-Mac, Vince Carter, Brandon Roy, Len Bias.
@PlanetsOOSS4 жыл бұрын
I'm upset we aren't going to see a "Making the Case - Robert Horry" ...
@Herv34 жыл бұрын
April 1st, 2021.
@MrE_4 жыл бұрын
@@Herv3 lol
@psychopathicporoАй бұрын
I hope you came back and checked
@martysmarts44944 жыл бұрын
“Ben Wallace’s corpse”
@-piras4 жыл бұрын
that one made me laught
@kidcolliermc4 жыл бұрын
@@-piras I also laught
@remi57584 жыл бұрын
💀
@ddp54064 жыл бұрын
He was so fun to watch in Detroit...that team defense with Big Ben wallace patrolling the middle was ruthless..."no fly zone"
@Pack52022 Жыл бұрын
Let's not forget the fact that LeBron went against another player who's arguably the greatest to ever do it too, Tim Duncan and a stacked spurs team, he lost to on his first year with a trash Cavs team leading them to the finals against the spurs as well as beating them as well and losing again. This was INSANE competition as it's two players on each team who can be argued as the best ever players. That's insane. Kudos to LeBron, give credit to any player who earned it Tim Duncan and LeBron earned it.
@johnjones528 Жыл бұрын
Good point, but there have been other situations like the one you mentioned. Kareem and Oscar. Kareem and Magic, versus Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, and the Celts. Doc and Moses vs. Kareem and Magic, etc.
@ATAKA-Bro4 ай бұрын
Leastern Conference u casual!!!
@matthewkolakowski37014 жыл бұрын
I personally think mj is the goat but to simply dismiss lebron and not be willing to discuss the possibility of lebron being the goat is so childish.
@neutralgirl89974 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. I hate both sides of the argument. Bronsexuals and Jordansexuals alike. Neither side can think maturely. Bronsexuals keep making shallow excuses, while Jordansexuals keep making "arguments" that make them look really insecure.
@derekb23144 жыл бұрын
Lebron is old enough that guys in the league now should be saying they watched him growing up. Instead they say they watched Kobe. Because all he does is cry. I don't care what he's done in basketball, how he's endangered first responders by promoting anti-police narratives makes him an eternal loser. I used to think he was at least a better person than MJ, but now we can all see that he is just a professional crybaby.
@neutralgirl89974 жыл бұрын
@@derekb2314 So much unnecessary hate.
@derekb23144 жыл бұрын
@@neutralgirl8997 Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
@exwhyzgaming89964 жыл бұрын
My GOAT is Kareem, I am a lkaers fan, And LeBron will need another ring or MVP to be My GOAT, cuz ring 4 is locked up
@haydenpike85864 жыл бұрын
“They don’t boo bums” I think about this quote every time the anti Lebron gang shows up on a vid like this. This is some of the best basketball content on KZbin tho, can’t wait to see what you do next.
@DANtheMANofSIPA4 жыл бұрын
"They dont boo bums." Danny Green and KCP would like to talk with you
@i_sharky4 жыл бұрын
Another quote I think is “they hate you when you’re great”
@joejr6204 жыл бұрын
That ending straight up made me emotional I won't lie
@jack29574 жыл бұрын
@MUFC can you stfu and like stfu?
@Nathan-ix2bh4 жыл бұрын
@@jack2957 😂😂😂
@speedylucero934 жыл бұрын
@MUFC I disagree, soccer has been around the longest and basketball is a relatively new sport that is expanding extremely fast, american football is literally only played in north america, soccer is played around the world but U.S. is becoming the trandsettter around the world due to social media and NO ONE in U.S. is playing soccer, at least none of the cool kids are
@mmasuntzu4324 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 me too literally strarted crying
@mambaforever95934 жыл бұрын
@MUFC this man copy pasting this shit on every nba video ever
@pumpkin9916 Жыл бұрын
"Lebron had to form a super team!" ...mj HAD the super team... mj had a HOF coach. Mj had the highest recorded team ELO rating in all of NBA history. The bulls had a higher rating than the KD/Curry warriors did. Imagine that. Every time mj won he had a team BETTER than the warriors with KD.
@Ariandye_Productions3 ай бұрын
This comment is a year old but it perfectly desrcibes how I feel
@TheRileycakes4 жыл бұрын
The ‘16 finals felt like a glitch in the simulation. I was rooting for Bron the whole time but at 3-1 against that historic Warriors team, I thought it was over... Without a doubt the greatest testament to his legacy imo
@zivuhz4 жыл бұрын
hands down. the block became his signature moment as well immediately
@darkrh54044 жыл бұрын
That’s who he is right there, unfortunately time and time in his career he gives up and dosent even try after one setback
@DemonKing-oi4jd3 жыл бұрын
Agreed and I hate LeBron lol
@DonJulioReacts3 жыл бұрын
@@Ratchetface Kevin love wasn’t playing at an all star level in first two years in Cleveland so basically it was kyrie and good role players around him
@420eh3 жыл бұрын
This is true but still doesn't make him the goat
@sheumaismacleod4 жыл бұрын
“He’s not the strongest or the fastest, but he’s faster than the strongest and stronger than the fastest.” Damn man. This is some incredible work
@forkii41224 жыл бұрын
that doesn’t rlly mean much
@HaveADeath4 жыл бұрын
HyTz Vorkkz it’s saying nobody stronger then him can out move him, and nobody faster then him can out power him. Means a lot considering his speed and strength are relatively insane. How can you beat that?
@LuisFernandez-jp8wt4 жыл бұрын
This is my new favorite quote
@forkii41224 жыл бұрын
HaveADeath because basically all small forwards are faster than the strongest and stronger than the fastest
@halloweenmew77764 жыл бұрын
@@forkii4122 That's not true, Look at KD strength wise
@chaomaestro25704 жыл бұрын
This series belongs beside Kobe Bryant's "Dear Basketball" as the greatest love letters written to the sport ever. You didn't just make a series of arguments for the greatest player. You wrote pure poetry about a love for the game that we all struggle to articulate as fans, but understand inherently. I'll be coming back to watch these for years to come.
@andrel27534 жыл бұрын
You couldn’t have said it better!
@Sneatt Жыл бұрын
I've always said this. Put Michael Jordan against every finals opponent LeBron had to face and I'd bet my life he doesn't go 6-0. The Fact that LeBron was able to win 4 rings against damn near perfect teams is extraordinary. A wise man once said "Jordan can make a Good team into a Great team, but LeBron can turn a Bad team into a Good team".
@Midwayferrari Жыл бұрын
I love Jordan, but I believe he would lose against KD's Warriors.
@emiliovgc507 Жыл бұрын
Jordan would have lost to the Spurs, man he would have even lost to the KDless Warriors.
@johnjones528 Жыл бұрын
@Sneatt I don't know if Jordan would have gone 6-0 against today's teams. Do you know why? Because I don't know how good he would be at team jumping and creating insta-dynasties, like LeBron. Jordan didn't get to pick and choose his teams, coaches, and teammates. He didn't get to take his talents to South Beach and play on super teams, coming out of weak conferences, yet still lose to underdogs like LeBron. So, yeah, I don't know. He might have gone 8-0 if he had been able to do that.
@Sneatt Жыл бұрын
@@johnjones528 Absolutely not. He was blessed to be drafted to the bulls and have a god team built around him. He was blessed to have a legendary coach like Phil Jackson. You're right, he didn't need to jump from team to team like LeBron because he was never in a bad situation. I also believe Jordan wouldn't have won 6 rings if he did leave the bulls. Jordan was just blessed to hit his prime in the 90's when there was no dynasties like in the 80's and 2000's. LeBron is the Goat. Sorry bro.
@johnjones528 Жыл бұрын
@@Sneatt First of all, I watched Jordan in college and saw him come out of UNC to play with the Chicago Bulls. Phil Jackson was NOT a legendary coach when he joined the Bulls. He BECAME legendary coaching Jordan. What NBA team did PHil Jackson coach before he signed on with the Bulls? Oh, that's right! He didn't coach in the NBA. He coached the Albany Patroons, the Piratas de Quebradillas (1984 and 1987) and the Gallitos de Isabela (1984-1986). He regularly sought out NBA teams to coach , but was frequently turned down.
@Jatycre4 жыл бұрын
So, full disclosure here. I normally don’t entertain a lot of “Lebron is the GOAT” arguments. I roll my eyes at a TON of what Shannon Sharpe says about the guy. However, this video series has garnered a ton of respect with me. It’s one of the few that seems to take a truly fact based, objective, well researched, approach to who is “the GOAT”. Because of that, I watched this video open minded. Clayton, honestly, you have made me reconsider my stance on Lebron. I don’t know that I’d say he definitely WAS the greatest ever, but you showed me that he certainly deserves to be in the conversation. This series is just awesome for how mind opening it is to a topic that most of us don’t really think deeply about.
@vernonherb4 жыл бұрын
I agree with you on that... The creator of this did an outstanding job...
@davebuilds72614 жыл бұрын
What’s good to know is you aren’t too late to be able appreciate him live! I’d say he’s got Atleast 3 upper echelon years left. Maybe by the end, he will eventually change your mind fully
@neutralgirl89974 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your open-mindedness dude. Fans should be more like you. I used to be a LeBron hater as well, because of the "Decision". But once I actually looked at the facts and became open-minded, I realized that LeBron actually can be the GOAT. He has accomplished significantly harder things than Jordan did. Simply going up against all-time great dynasties in 7 finals (SEVEN!!!) was something Jordan has never done in his career. Jordan has not even faced a single all-time great dynasty in his prime.
@vernonherb4 жыл бұрын
@@davebuilds7261 I doubt it lol.. thier are too many things that still put Jordan over lebron... I have always thought even from my childhood watching Jordan that the player that would take his throne would be a Scottie Pippen type player which lebron is... and I thought he was going to be the one to take Jordan down.. but he has to many missed opportunities for me and many others to crown him... ESPECIALLY with the talent he played with in Miami and Cleveland the 2and time around
@davebuilds72614 жыл бұрын
Vernon Herbert you have to be kidding me. I guess you didn’t watch the video. Lebron is not a pippen type of player, in Miami the only missed opportunity was Dallas. In 2014 wade averaged 12 ppg and bosh averaged 15 ppg, ehhh right? Then in Cleveland lebron only had one year where he had both kyrie and love.. guess what, they won. Soo you had a baseless comment about lebron being like pippen, and then an inaccurate presentation of what lebron had in Miami and his second tenure in Cleveland. Wanna try again? I’m not saying your wrong because you think jordan is better, I’m saying I think you’re wrong because of your reasoning that you gave me for bron not being as good, is flawed
@Sijan.G4 жыл бұрын
“Fastest than the strongest, strongest than the fastest” boy if that ain’t a bar right there my boy out here spitting fire dawgg🤣🤣🤟🏻😤
@clint38684 жыл бұрын
I mean if you think about it most players in the nba are faster than the strongest and stronger than the fastest
@Leroyra4 жыл бұрын
Brendan Boyle that’s true but it sounds good lol
@DiegoMoreno19904 жыл бұрын
If you put someone smaller on him, he will bully him. If you put someone big on him, he will leave them in the dust. If you put 2 on him he will find the open man.
@ryaneglinton89704 жыл бұрын
RIP English.
@rchill45564 жыл бұрын
@@clint3868 yeah but hes comparing him to the the rest of the league. A specimen. The only thing with greater potential right now is gianis.
@nicolasferrero68954 жыл бұрын
I'll wait 15 years to watch the Luka doncic video
@hooplah.hoops.hoodoo4 жыл бұрын
Luka will still be waiting for lebron to step aside though....maybe in 20 😅
@knicks80994 жыл бұрын
giannis too and maybe even kawhi or kd
@Trdjj64474 жыл бұрын
@Dominic dominic dude... If you re funny like this each and every time you speak, you should start some stand up comedy, but please stop watching basket Ball 😜😜
@tigeryumyums94074 жыл бұрын
Moui Gnagno That was the perfect answer 😂 well done.
@mercer16104 жыл бұрын
He will be a tummy boy in like 5 years
@kurtshaffer55413 жыл бұрын
I never got a chance to live the experience of what the other 7 players on your list were like in the moment, but as an Ohioan I can assure you that the 2016 playoffs final was the most magical thing to happen in Cleveland, ever. It was straight out of a storybook
@NealX_Gaming3 жыл бұрын
I think one of the most impressive things about Lebron is how he came from nothing. I mean, lots of the greats had humble beginnings but Lebron really came from nowhere. Single teen mom, poverty. Have to admire it. And this is from a Warriors fan that hates his guts for 2016.
@louie55813 жыл бұрын
You might hate him for 2016, but gotta respect what he did
@Ckrost3 жыл бұрын
@@louie5581 he basically said he does lol
@khanager28143 жыл бұрын
His story is amazing and I believe all the hate he receives will disappear when he retires. Once people start assessing his whole legacy, they'll realise they were lucky to witness one of the GOATs.
@Figs32 жыл бұрын
I respect LeBron but MANY Players have terrible upbringings.
@khanager28142 жыл бұрын
@@Figs3 yeah, that’s why you don’t hear players talking shit about other players. They know what it takes to get to that level. It’s just the so-called shithead ‘fans’ who talk shit about players.
@woopityscoop28634 жыл бұрын
LeBron wanted to give his starved hometown a championship, then gave the city arguably the most incredible championship story ever.
@zigod82044 жыл бұрын
Facts and it was incredibly the greatest ring of all time
@TheTariqibnziyad4 жыл бұрын
You mean he wanted to form another Superteam and expand his brand.
@TheTariqibnziyad4 жыл бұрын
@@zigod8204 nah too much luck and help from refs in game 6.
@kissvigafria12134 жыл бұрын
@@TheTariqibnziyad Really??? IS that how close-minded are you???
@xivjm17784 жыл бұрын
@@kissvigafria1213 nah he’s not close minded just completely oblivious to his own ignorance. Sad to see people still creampieing Jordan every chance they get🤦♂️
@ImBarryScottCSS4 жыл бұрын
I think this is the most convincing case. I love MJ I really do, and I grew up a Lakers fan watching Kobe and rooting against LeBron. But looking back now at what he has been able to do with what he was given, I don't think anyone could have done more. It's a real privilege to have been able to see him as both a rival and a home player.
@Rgnotown4 жыл бұрын
But you didn’t watch Jordan in his championship years.
@666ssn6664 жыл бұрын
@@Rgnotown I did. LeBron.
@mackyj32554 жыл бұрын
@@666ssn666 You mean Jordan.
@666ssn6664 жыл бұрын
@@mackyj3255 yeah...no
@mackyj32554 жыл бұрын
@@666ssn666 so yeah right?
@EmmanuelNsibuSala-hi9tk Жыл бұрын
"Built like Karl Malone, passes like Bird, jumps like Jordan and surveys the court like Magic. He is not the strongest or the fastest but he is faster than the strongest and stronger than the fastest" That’s just the perfect description of LeBron James
@johnjones528 Жыл бұрын
That description was aptly used to describe Jordan.
@NewPatek_ Жыл бұрын
@@johnjones528Jordan is nowhere built like Malone, a mediocre passer, does not have even half the vision of magic and the last quote is subjective. You just pulled something out of ur ass because your so offended by who the true GOAT really is.
@johnjones528 Жыл бұрын
@LilSlimeRollo ALL of it aoplies to Jordan, especially tge jumping part
@Dystxnn4 жыл бұрын
"...old Shaq, Ben Wallace's corpse." Lol made me lose my shit laughing
@larrypatterson45394 жыл бұрын
I thought I was the only one who was laughing that hard at that comment.
@breezyphontain96864 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@peppespizzeria26074 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic conclusion to my favorite series on KZbin. I can't even imagine how many times I've gone back and re-watched the other episodes just waiting for this one to drop. Before Making the Case, I'd never have thought to include Tim Duncan in the GOAT conversation. It never occurred to me that Larry Bird was the embodiment of what people mean when they say "intangibles." I never considered that a quiet competitor like Kareem and an iconic, flashy star like Magic could have a claim to the same throne. Or that Bill Russell, who I only knew as the guy with 11 rings, could represent what it means to play team basketball. What surprised me most was when I found myself most convinced that Wilt Chamberlain, who I once saw as overrated and stat-obsessed, was the greatest to ever do it. Or, that Michael Jordan's case, probably the strongest and most well-accepted out there, left me the least convinced, which is a testament to the quality of this series. And now this: a finale fitting for a journey seven months in the making. Clayton, you magnificent man, I can't wait to see what you do next.
@vukaleksic35504 жыл бұрын
this comment is so well-written, enjoyed reading it lol hope he has a great future in sports writing
@highlypretentious66734 жыл бұрын
Wow this was a good comment
@henriquedelarosa54194 жыл бұрын
Great comment for one of the greatest things i've ever watched concerning basketball
@fabioferraz98094 жыл бұрын
The series is amazing, but it is clear to me that he didn't put much effort when doing the MJ video. All the other videos have a stronger narrative which makes sense as he's trying to convince people that there`s a debate where there's not haha
@Youngster5432104 жыл бұрын
The Jordan case was the weakest because he was trying to set up the Lebron case. Most of the Jordan case was just passively aggressively tearing him down pretending he's only "responding to common criticisms". He put very little effort into it. He's young though so he's likely a victim of recency bias. Probably legitimately wants Lebron to be the GOAT so MJ lives rent free in his head because he knows MJ's case is stronger.
@dman77744 жыл бұрын
I love how u don’t talk about the same points that every body brings up when talking about the goat debate for all of these players. Very creative way of a conversation
@raizarslaxterhaha Жыл бұрын
I think that his transformation truly began once he went to Miami. There he also put shooting and post offense in his arsenal, and since then, he just was on another level. Pre Miami, he was faster, stronger and youth, but then he added the entire package. Killer player
@TheASSSASIN Жыл бұрын
He was Exhausted every title run in Cleveland. If he was on the lakers with Shaq. Ez 5-10 Rings.
@NewPatek_ Жыл бұрын
@@TheASSSASINIf Lebron had a coach that ran the triangle offense as well as Phil Jackson he would surpass Bill Russell lmao, Shaq would be the cherry on top.
@castillo999joel4 жыл бұрын
Clayton, let me tell you something, I hope when LeBron retires you come back to this video and remake it. I personally believe with the steam the Lakers have right now he’s got one more ring for sure coming his way. With that ring it’ll add more fuel to flame that is his legacy. This is about as passionate of a video I’ve ever seen. The arguments made were fair and put out with context. I can appreciate the superb writing you had in the script and I couldn’t describe LeBron in a better way: “Faster than the Strongest but Stronger than the Fastest.” Poetry man, keep up the good work.
@FleeceNRun4 жыл бұрын
shaq woulda ended lebron
@castillo999joel4 жыл бұрын
Fleece & Runn if he could stay in front on defense maybe
@jamiewalking4 жыл бұрын
True... But wilt was stronger than the strongest and faster than the fastest... LeBron probably the greater basketball player though
@averagesixersfan97784 жыл бұрын
Jamie Walker yeah if wilt could develop a decent shit he would be the goat undoubtedly
@jamiewalking4 жыл бұрын
@Dhdhdh sksj true but wilt was the greatest athlete of all time and Shaq was "just" the most dominant center of his era
@treybarbuto68504 жыл бұрын
The writing in this series has been absolutely fantastic. Legit some of the best sportswriting I've seen on youtube. Can't wait to see what you make next!
@jakeybourke65934 жыл бұрын
LeBron can’t be the goat, he never won a college game
@roysonthedoctor19584 жыл бұрын
😂
@danielajayi8944 жыл бұрын
BREAKING NEWS: LeBron James has opted out of his contract with the lakers and has enrolled in the university of Akron for a semester.
@roysonthedoctor19584 жыл бұрын
@@danielajayi894 cap
@bigxo63794 жыл бұрын
@Ken Managbanag Ik u did not just straight up lie 🤣
@matthewtorres90334 жыл бұрын
@@danielajayi894 i thought he wanted to play with his son
@shmoneybank Жыл бұрын
rewatching this after he broke the unbreakable record
@JustinJohnson-tq7wr Жыл бұрын
Watching it for the first time 😂. I think it’s interesting that this was made prior to the record being broken
@evanewert14724 жыл бұрын
That ending was cathartic, as a Warriors fan I could feel that pain of him taking away our greatest season of all time, as well as the glory of brining the Land a title.
@drewharpe61004 жыл бұрын
the last 5 min will have you feeling like a kid outside imagining he’s got one shot to win the championship
@dallaschandler53014 жыл бұрын
the crazy thing is...he exceeded expectations...i don’t think anyone actually expected him to become a threat to jordans career....the only threat
@chunkyburger79714 жыл бұрын
Hes better every single year hes came out and showed dominanve since he been in the league while winning and having success on every team he played for every year jordan didnt start off winning nor did he end winning
@hud12314 жыл бұрын
@@chunkyburger7971 Lebron missed the playoffs his first couple of yrs....MJ won a ring in 7 yrs, Lebron 9 yrs
@hud12314 жыл бұрын
get real, he is no threat
@bigguccisosa98094 жыл бұрын
Nah LeBron is a better player and played in a harder era.
@hud12314 жыл бұрын
@@bigguccisosa9809 that's just 2 blatant lies
@antonius52473 жыл бұрын
I’ve watched the ending countless times. Im crying rn. Its so beatiful and even tho Lebron is struggling rn nothing will take that away from him
@sirmagnifico043 жыл бұрын
This video, like the king himself, is a masterclass.
@bloop21842 жыл бұрын
lebron isn’t even struggling, he’s having a career season 🥴, just the lakers suck ass
@kingorza152 жыл бұрын
The lakers* are struggling Lebron getting along just fine
@nickfowler5472 жыл бұрын
LeBron isn’t struggling. He’s about to lead the league in scoring in his 19th season. He proved 2 seasons ago he can still be the best player on a championship team
@reedjp40822 жыл бұрын
@@bloop2184 fax
@ButteryAftertaste4 жыл бұрын
18:44 "LeBron's numbers look okay" - proceeds to show a near 30-20 triple double.
@juliosera55104 жыл бұрын
I know right....what was it like 28 and 16 rebounds with 9 assist.
@ButteryAftertaste4 жыл бұрын
@@juliosera5510 somehow even crazier...27-19-10. He was a 3 and one 1 rebound from a 30-20-10 stat line. Jesus.
@Akgamestar1374 жыл бұрын
Thats why it pisses me off when people downplay what what be an all time performance for 99.9% of players bc it’s LeBron and demand more.
@ADL214 жыл бұрын
Who's here after LeBron just won his 4th ring, this time in Los Angeles?
@cactusdragon35534 жыл бұрын
MJ the goat. Lebron the gote. Greatest of this era.
@y.b42514 жыл бұрын
Where's MJ's washington's rings?
@cactusdragon35534 жыл бұрын
MJ - 6 rings + 6 FMVP Lebron 4 + 4 and I doubt he gets any more.
@Aslavetofreedom4 жыл бұрын
@@cactusdragon3553 why do u think that everyone was saying that this year 💀
@cactusdragon35534 жыл бұрын
Some people think Lebron is the goat now. Its subjective though, as these youtube videos show. Bill Russell could easily be called the goat too.
@quinnkonneman4 жыл бұрын
I’d also like to remind everyone that “The Decision” raised over 2 million dollars in charity
@georgetran74604 жыл бұрын
Exactly. People still bitch about it when it literally raised money for kids lol
@geethanjalimurthy85804 жыл бұрын
Facts.
@demetriussmith92343 жыл бұрын
@@Ratchetface didn’t quit on his team? Maybe if the team gave him some help he wouldn’t have to leave. You don’t start with the reaction you have to start with the problem
@demetriussmith92343 жыл бұрын
@Marcus Carpenter 😂 ur goat didn’t even go #1 when yo go to the first pick u go to the worst team in the league
@demetriussmith92343 жыл бұрын
@Marcus Carpenter now wt u can say is lebron can win with multiple ppl can u say Jordan can win without Scottie. I can say Kobe can win without shaq. And plus Jordan can’t even go to the finals without another star dude was getting swept never had a winning season without Scottie
@DrBeauHightower Жыл бұрын
Huge fan of your channel man
@georgeanerousis695 Жыл бұрын
Huge fan of YOUR channel 😂🎉
@dashiellsisson92634 жыл бұрын
That’s it. We need a Making the Case: Robert Horry!
@user-se7td9be6o4 жыл бұрын
Nah it Patrick McCaw the only rookie to 3 peat, GOAT
@BossYotwo4 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@NameCallingIsWeak4 жыл бұрын
"Making the Case: Robert Horry!" Yeah, for all the RINGS people.
@iman51474 жыл бұрын
Steve Kerr 4-Peated so let's make that a case
@jonathanmroczkowski44814 жыл бұрын
Big Shot Bob is 1A and Derek Fisher is 1B
@inordirectional4 жыл бұрын
The last couple minutes of this video were especially powerful. You got me tearin up
@raizen49014 жыл бұрын
Lol I thought I was the only one
@ItsClovers4 жыл бұрын
crazy how well made this video is
@timpower49224 жыл бұрын
You tear up when he went to LA?
@Garss3654 жыл бұрын
After 8 videos I've made my decision. The Goat is... Clayton Crowley
@arkoudiou2 жыл бұрын
LeBron is the only player in history of sports that has been argued being the goat for 10+ years and still playing. When he's done it will be interesting to remake these kind of videos with all the stats and history. He's definitely on the mount Rushmore of basketball and the greatest of our era. The most complete player ever. Don't even mention what he did for the players empowerment and outside basketball.
@CDX72 жыл бұрын
Tom Brady?
@zacharyadams3422 Жыл бұрын
@@CDX7Brady being the goat being a topic of heavy debate only really lasted between his 4th and 5th ring,about 2 years.
@johnjones528 Жыл бұрын
Actually Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan were argued for being the GOAT both during their playing days and afterwards.
@dasdas7752 Жыл бұрын
@@CDX7 Brady goat talk only really took off in 2015
@hayzeus12169 ай бұрын
Brady goat qb... Not goat player.
@godoyoself4 жыл бұрын
Damn man that 2016 finals always brings me to tears when you realize what he went through and what it meant to be the leader to come back and win it all. Great clip
@captainmexico45853 жыл бұрын
Lol he just wanted to camera attention at the end with “crying” at the ground. He’s a selfish p.o.s.
@Dethbox6602 жыл бұрын
@@captainmexico4585 get help
@pitrson6662 жыл бұрын
@@captainmexico4585 brain damage be like:
@cgvq2 жыл бұрын
@@captainmexico4585 people like you
@shanaandshawn4 жыл бұрын
What’s wild is that this video already convinced so many people (not me, Kareem has always been my GOAT) but LeBron just added a championship this week that just strengthened his case. He’s truly something special
@geordiejones56184 жыл бұрын
and the way him and AD play, I would not be surprised if they 3peat. It'd be really hard to not call him the GOAT with a 3peat, 6 titles, and 12 finals.
@anthonyhaun19903 жыл бұрын
I know you said Kareem is your GOAT but uh...Michael Jordan and Lebron James: The Complete Statistical Guide with Stunning Conclusion kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnarqaahjbCaepY Jordan has 22 total trophies in 13 1/2 seasons. Kareem got 15 total trophies in 20 seasons! ain't even close bro
@Kevin-fj3ff3 жыл бұрын
i think MJ is the GOAT it is not even close
@anthonyhaun19903 жыл бұрын
@@geordiejones5618 what about lebrons career makes you think he can 3 peat? never has, never will.
@mitch36133 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyhaun1990 that doesn’t even make sense
@omnipepper36654 жыл бұрын
You should do a joke version of this series. Like try to legitimately make an argument as to why Brian Scalabrine is the GOAT
@zxcvfr43214 жыл бұрын
Awesome idea!
@bruhmoment26534 жыл бұрын
Smh its clearly Alex Caruso
@GoyfAscetic4 жыл бұрын
Or Robert Horry
@MrHam-sk3kr4 жыл бұрын
Nah obviously it’s Thon Maker
@DJCHAZY14 жыл бұрын
Where's the joke?
@vaskopz2 жыл бұрын
"5 LeBrons would win against 5 of anybody" No better way to put it.
@johnjones5282 жыл бұрын
That doesn't mean that one leBron will beat one of anybody.
@tomdo20262 жыл бұрын
@@johnjones528 But does show that Lebron is the goat player in terms of "How much does this man contribute to his team?"
@ATAKA-Bro4 ай бұрын
5 Floppers rolling on the ground, have no effort on defence and leaving the court at the 4th quarter.
@Ryz4144 жыл бұрын
I thought you would wait till after the finals. See if he wins his 4th ring.
@Shellykat-p4w4 жыл бұрын
If clippers choke he will
@AF-we4re4 жыл бұрын
@@Shellykat-p4w this game tonight is a must watch
@Mckylan4 жыл бұрын
He will. Bron got it in the bag
@maxbailey49714 жыл бұрын
It doesn’t matter, his career is legendary as is, this would be the icing on the cake
@mastertroll17804 жыл бұрын
@@Shellykat-p4w IDK man I think both the Celtics and the Heat are just too deep and in-sync to loose to a team that's basically 2 players.
@geneoland89394 жыл бұрын
I've watched it a dozen times, the ending still gives me tears to my eyes and shivers down my spine. Phenomenal! LeBron should watch this and Clayton you should be one of narrators of his future documentaries.
@keithrosier85262 жыл бұрын
Lebron is a great player, but he is not the goat. Michael Jordan is and is better than Lebron James.
@kentonohio76142 жыл бұрын
@@keithrosier8526 LeBron the Goat you know it and I know it
@salty30692 жыл бұрын
@@keithrosier8526 youre on wrong video insecure mj fangirl
@noelgoveo30304 жыл бұрын
I would PAY to watch Skip and Shannon react to this together.
@mohkamaltaha Жыл бұрын
Just watched this gem of a video 2 years after it was released, and I gotta say, Clayton does make 1 hell of a case, as a Spurs fan the Tim Duncan case video was particularly enjoyable to watch, but this, the writing, the narration and the choice of music was all just perfect, I almost shed a tear at the end lol and then I remembered that I'm supposed to be hating the guy, especially after the heartbreak of the 2013 finals, but my goodness what video, what a case, what a player...!!!
@Booster374 жыл бұрын
I do believe MJ is the GOAT, but I completely understand the argument for LeBron and everyone else included in this series. Great job on the whole project Clayton.
@rockscousteau4 жыл бұрын
There are multiple players better than LeBron. LeBron is not to intelligent.
@rowanespeverda41204 жыл бұрын
@@rockscousteau bruh... Did you even watch the video?
@flameking33444 жыл бұрын
@@rowanespeverda4120 clearly he dosen't. he looked at the title and thumbnail and commented a hate comment right away.
@blastoiseddr4 жыл бұрын
@@rockscousteau "not to intelligent"
@javierlandaverde41084 жыл бұрын
This series basically saying Bron the GOAT because he is the GOAT "Athlete" in the NBA....?
@imtiazqureshi24124 жыл бұрын
LeBron is so great that his only flaw is that he’s not perfect
@phillipschuman43074 жыл бұрын
True, but then he gets the 'flawed hero who failed' redemptive arc, by overcoming that past and succeeding.
@nox1ck5894 жыл бұрын
and he cant win without super teams
@mambaforever95934 жыл бұрын
@@nox1ck589 he can't win alone against super teams*
@aaron2nice_4 жыл бұрын
@@mambaforever9593 okay and? You acting like all the other all time greats didnt need help.
@mambaforever95934 жыл бұрын
@@aaron2nice_ nah the guy i replied to was saying some bs, so i corrected him. Of course he needs help when almost every team he played against in the finals is an alltime great team
@deancausevic48304 жыл бұрын
These videos are so awesome, persuasive and high quality. No disrespect but You really had me thinking Larry Bird was the goat 😭. These vids genuinely changed thinking towards my top 10 list. Jordan’s still my GOAT but Timmy and Bill Russell jumped up my all time list.
@kobu14684 жыл бұрын
Yup duncan moved into my top 5 and Bill russel moved higher for me
@Dubb-ee8gr4 жыл бұрын
MJ is THE GOAT. But damn, Larry’s a close second. Best 5 years in NBA basketball- Larry’s 5.
@smoothcriminal40383 жыл бұрын
You deserve a KZbin Oscars for this documentary man DAME.
@bountrack4 жыл бұрын
Love this series! The scariest thing about LBJ is, his story isn’t finished as compared to the rest of the greats you’re making the case for.
@SwaggerLikeUz4 жыл бұрын
Lebron has AD, before AD. Didn't even make the playoffs lol.
@er45ung224 жыл бұрын
@@SwaggerLikeUz you are an idiot, but i dont blame you. Its just the blind hate for me
@valo11254 жыл бұрын
SwaggerLikeUz lmao what did AD do before lebron 🥴
@robertdouth89794 жыл бұрын
@@er45ung22 hur hur, they didn't make the playoffs... even though they were the 5th seed before he was injured and he actually elevated them to that in the West from being well outside the playoffs the year before.
@er45ung224 жыл бұрын
@@robertdouth8979 i mean yeah
@adamtwarowski10534 жыл бұрын
I'm not gonna lie, having lived in Northeast Ohio my whole life, that feeling when LeBron hit that free throw and made it a 2 possession game will never be replicated for me
@leultrainstinct4063 жыл бұрын
If he made the poster on green I could’ve died happy right then and there.
@Fran-tg5yp3 жыл бұрын
For me, that 3-1 comeback along with the first Cavs team he ever took to the finals had already convinced me, there is no other player in the history of the NBA that has ever meant more and been more valuable than LeBron. Now that he is 36 and was number 1 or 2 in the MVP ladder all year until his injury, and lead the Lakers with only AD (AD is an amazing player to have as a backup, nothing against AD) as a reliable 2nd option to a championship as a 35-year-old, leaves no doubt in my mind. What I find incredibly interesting/funny is that the one season LeBron doesn't make the finals, an Eastern Conference team wins it all, after a whole decade where people kept on saying the Eastern Conference was a joke Conference just because LeBron would always make it look easy.
@shivumagarwal3 жыл бұрын
Fluke title, fluke comeback, fluke player
@sgt.krakatoa10933 жыл бұрын
@@shivumagarwal yeayea you hate LeBron we get it
@shivumagarwal3 жыл бұрын
@@sgt.krakatoa1093 I’m not wrong at all
@sgt.krakatoa10933 жыл бұрын
@@shivumagarwal whatever you say bro
@shaft90002 жыл бұрын
AD was no 'backup' he made that team's defense tops and DEFENSE WINS CH'IPS
@jaycgaming2606 Жыл бұрын
I think the issue with Lebron and Jordan believers is people who believe Lebron is the goat can respect people who think Jordan is the goat, but people who think Jordan is the goat thinks Lebron is the worst player to ever pick up a basketball.
@seradjlarfi6905 Жыл бұрын
I've heard Jordan fans say LeBron is barely top 10
@flamingdoge6242 Жыл бұрын
@@seradjlarfi6905 I’ve seen not even 5 minutes ago multiple people say LeBron isn’t even top 20
@caseyhayes4590 Жыл бұрын
I respect LBJ argument in some ways, in some ways he is the best ever. I don't "hate" LBJ or his fans because I watched both players and I think MJ was more dominant, specifically I've only seen 1 or 2 playoffs where LBJ matched MJs playoff intensity. On the flip side, the weirdest thing I see from young LeBron fans who didn't watch the Bulls is this fantasy that every Jordan teammate was some offensive hall of famer. Some of his teams were stacked defensively but LeBron has overall had more offensive talent around him in his career. Other than Pippen and Rodman, nobody would even know the name of Jordan's teammates if they hadn't played with MJ. Everybody would know AD, Wade, Bosh, Kyrie and Love if those players had never played with LBJ.
@Bushwhaker Жыл бұрын
This is the complete opposite
@seradjlarfi6905 Жыл бұрын
@@Bushwhaker It's literally not, how many people online or irl claim that Jordan isn't top 5, now how many claim that LeBron isn't top 5, huge difference
@yung_sirloin4 жыл бұрын
"he's not the fastest or the strongest, but he's faster than the strongest and stronger than the fastest" that's a fire line, great vid once again
@IceMicko4 жыл бұрын
That actually sounds impressive, but you can say that for many athletes.
@yung_sirloin4 жыл бұрын
IceMicko yeah that is true lol, but I think it's more in reference to his skills within the players considered to be the GOAT
@Hypwriter4 жыл бұрын
These video essays are probably the most complete, well-produced video essays I've seen in a long time. Quality bursting at the seams. This is... The greatest video essay series of all time. But in all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if something like this gets picked up by Netflix, but if you stay on KZbin, I would love to see a collab between you and Jon Bois's Chart Party!
@ethanennis84 жыл бұрын
Oh yes!!!
@OmniPlatypus4 жыл бұрын
If you wanna see great video essays in themes other than sports, I recommend Contrapoints.
@mlg_fright76074 жыл бұрын
"He's LeBron James, the most valuable basketball player ever. The most complete basketball player who's ever lived. The greatest basketball player of all time." That hit different 😭
@TheTariqibnziyad4 жыл бұрын
Doesn't have a reliable floater or midranger, perimeter defense is a joke...sorry that's faaar from complete.
@lachlanjo65434 жыл бұрын
@@TheTariqibnziyad doesn't have a reliable floater midranger, perimeter defence is a joke, in that case jordan had an inconsistent three ball, subpar playmaking, interior defense subpar we don't evaluate a player based on what they not good at we evaluate what they can do like saying steph curry would be bad if couldn't shoot, obviously that's what he is elite at, the quote was based on the premise that lebron james is has the combination of elite playmaking, scoring and defence the three most pivotal aspects of the game of basketball. Not to mention James is an above average mid range shooter, he doesn't need to use floaters because he is an elite athlete who can finish above the rim, and considering he is 260 pounds 6'9 he moves his feet like a guard. Please stop with these shitty takes who do not know basketball, btw micheal jordan is above average at what i mentioned before just his not as good as he is in other aspects of the game, i was just using them as examples to show you how autistic your comments were
@kidpoker94084 жыл бұрын
@@TheTariqibnziyad ok jordan jock strap holder
@robertoamarillas4 жыл бұрын
@@lachlanjo6543 Jordan slurpers sometimes need a reality check like your comment
@jvnnyprod4 жыл бұрын
@@TheTariqibnziyad you're the reason why condoms were invented
@dimelo589 ай бұрын
The fact that there were all these expectations since high school and the man actually delivered is bonkers and he’s still going lol
@zachyoung44964 жыл бұрын
I feel bad just knowing there’s people out there not watching these...
@sammyzize3 жыл бұрын
The ending gives me goosebumps everytime i watch this video
@abloccd4 жыл бұрын
to actually play at or even exceed the expectations people put on him as a kid is what makes him a Mt Rushmore player.
@havardalvestad2401 Жыл бұрын
Seeing this in 2023 afte Bron broke the scoring record is truly amazing, there was a case to why he his the goat long before he won a chip in LA and broke Kareem record, truly legandary.
@jaytee844 жыл бұрын
Love this video Acknowledged his low points, and also that it "doesnt define" him as way too many people try convince themselves Smashed the finals "losses" debate out the park too Just earnt yourself a subscriber
@IceMicko4 жыл бұрын
It did justify a couple of them, but still 2011 is a big stain. It doesn't define him, but it will always be brought up when his case is discussed. The fact that Magic had bad finals series is not a valid excuse, especially since Magic was up against a lot better team than Maverics, and a lot betrer player than LBJ was against.
@iFranOne4 жыл бұрын
@@IceMicko While Im not disapproving anything you said, Those Maverics are THE MOST UNDERRATED team in NBA HISTORY. They destroyed Kobe (won chip last year) - but no one talks about that, destroyed three young HOF player in OKC (plus, amazing bench) - no one talks about that, and even 1st round was against tough veteran team. That Maverics team from top to bottom WAS BETTER THAN THE HEAT. Yet no one will EVER agree to that, because it doesn't fit the narrative. Yes - James choked. But he played One of the greatest and perfectly matched team of all time. Everything came together for that team. And from 1 to 15 - its way better theam than Bosh, wade and lbj + 12 scrub players.
@IceMicko4 жыл бұрын
@@iFranOne I really wouldnt call Arroyo, Bibi, Eddie House, Mario Chalmers, Jerry Stackhouse, Udonis Haslem scrubs. Maverics performed better, but by the names (and cocncidering the age of the players) Heat was better.
@iFranOne4 жыл бұрын
@@IceMicko the only one that wasnt a scrub yet was udonis. But even he wasnt used correctly. As I said in 2011 that Mavs gonna win, I still stand by it. It was no surprise for me. They were way better team with way better game-plan and better coach at that time. I thought its gonna be 7 game series - it was 6. So its opinions and opinions. But Ill take '11 Mavs over any other team that year. And Im LAL fan who has HUGE respect for LBJ. But after plowing through KOBE I knew that its over for the rest of the league that year.
@IceMicko4 жыл бұрын
@@iFranOne even if you do count them as scrubs, which is too hursh, by that standards you could count most of Maverics as scrubs, as they were bunch of veterans waaaay out of their prime. Stojakovic for example played great series vs Lakers, but barely got any minutes vs Heat. It wasn't the talent that was in question, but their physical shape, which does come into play in best of 7 series in NBA final, after 3 more BO7 series.
@clarose99994 жыл бұрын
I cried grown man tears watching this. I'm astonished at the quality of this video. You have shown the full power that the LeBron argument has. Great work.
@raw58894 жыл бұрын
Terrible argument after terrible argument
@BasedChe4 жыл бұрын
Finally, this is what I've been waiting for all year