Cliffe Classics - "I Don't Care if You Have Zillions of Years...All This By Accident?"

No. 33
Recorded - Fall 1996
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The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
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[@moisespina3513]

This man inspires me to preach the gospel and to share my faith bravely, I've got to study a lot to achieve it. May God bless this ministry and help me to do it

[@jasonnoble7302]

When you preach the gospel do you concern yourself with the philosophical objections to Christianity ?

[@_NEW3RA_]

@@robertmitchell-tv5yfeven without the Bible we believers still believe. This thing is spiritual. Not carnal. That’s why scientists can’t understand the scriptures. Nor will anyone else who doesn’t believe. It takes faith. If God entered this world to show himself then he has to pick a point in history to do so. That happened to happen 2000 years ago AND WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD!!!! Whom is Jesus Christ.

[@timmaiste6304]

@@robertmitchell-tv5yf do we really know who wrote any book ever? Seems to me, we only know who says they wrote a book. I’ve never watched someone write an entire book. But I generally trust who I am told wrote the book. It doesn’t matter as much as what they say and who they are…for instance, if a witness to the events of Christ wrote a book detailing what happened, but I don’t know exactly who it is but the book is trustworthy in its content…that would matter a lot more than being able to prove their name. However, since we have names of the books such as “the gospel of Luke” it seems pretty obvious who wrote it even if it can’t be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[@mikerukavina4551]

​@timmaiste6304 you're definitely a student of Cliffe's. I had someone with me at work and I said, "hey, don't take my word for it. Go to the source documents and read them for yourself and make a decision."

[@chrishanson1631]

You don't need to study a lot to preach the gospel. The gospel is pretty straight forward. Just preach what you know. Preach the words of Jesus. You could just recite sermon on the mount over and over. Just doing that is better then doing nothing. It will at least start getting you more comfortable with the humility that comes with preaching. The humility is the hardest thing to learn. If confronted with questions that you can't answer, don't answer them. If you feel the call don't ignore it.

[@itsmarsh6]

in todays world seeing a religious perspective is really healing

[@psyck]

Kinda the only thing that gives hope. Can’t get it from a political party and atheists have no comfort to offer. Jesus makes sense and offers hope in any situation.

[@vincentjeremy709]

Yeah right, man if you could just see people these days comments. They're hijacking the Bible, giving their own thoughts and saying that it's evil... and wicked. Like man, it's scary.

[@psyck]

@@robertmitchell-tv5yf anyone can have hope in its basic definition because hope is a desire for a specific outcome. The hope I’m talking about is one that accompanies belief in God and offers peace and more specifically peace in times of tragedy or helpless situations. The kind that even if you are desiring a specific outcome and it doesn’t work out, there’s a peace of knowing that it happened for a purpose, even if you can’t see it now or ever. Butterfly effect. The kind of hope that a non theist can give is more like encouragement but it seems situational. For example, I wouldn’t turn to an atheist for hope if my family died in an accident or if someone was seriously ill. What could he/she offer besides, “well, maybe the RNG (chaos) of universal events will bounce back in your favor”? That part would probably make me laugh, which would make me feel a bit better, but it wouldn’t offer hope or peace. I hope that makes sense. Just outta curiosity and hypothetically speaking, what would you say to a person that suffered a tragedy to give them hope?

[@itsmarsh6]

@@psyck for example in my mind is Palestine and Israel or Russia and Ukraine situation many innocent people get killed in that situation and of there is no God their life is just dust and literally just a military target... Sad sad reality For our brother and sister but if God exist than judgement is coming and their lives and soul Will not just gone but they Will have a resurrection body in heaven one day together with other human beings 😭❤️🙏

[@psyck]

@@itsmarsh6 war, cruelty, disease and disasters are difficult topics. I see them as reminders that tomorrow, or 5min from now, isn’t promised to any of us and the importance of being right with God. Spread the Good News to everyone that’s willing to listen and change as many hearts as we can, while making our little corners of the world a little better for the people in our own homes and communities. One of the things that my eyes were opened to after being saved was how much time and energy we devote to things outside our control while ignoring the things within our grasp. We take to social media and our social circles to complain about all the injustices that are going on thousands of miles away but ignore our struggling neighbors and even those that are struggling right under our own roofs.

[@sambacarlson]

Cliffe's Answers are ever always so simple and satisfying. Praise God for Pastor Cliffe

[@jettruth]

I just started evangelizing and it really is an eye opener how hardened many people’s hearts are to God.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

You mean how rational some people are.

[@MJ-ce6tv]

@@Theo_SkeptomaiDo you believe in the Big Bang theory?

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

​@MJ-ce6tv I don't believe "IN" anything. But, yes, I believe the BBT is a plausible explanation for the two direct observations made last century - 1925, the red shift doppler effect while observing distant bodies - and 1964, the cosmic microwave background. What I don't accept is all of the false conclusions theists assume to be true only because it appears to substantiate that the universe had a beginning. The BBT makes no such postulation.

[@onesimonly7423]

@@Theo_Skeptomai No, they mean how hardened some people's hearts are to God. Because despite being presented with totally rational answers to their questions - that is, being presented evidence gathered from observation and logical thinking - many people still won't look at it with an open heart, whether it is out of pride or because of the lies they tell themselves in order for them to keep living a life they'd rather live without the existence of God. Btw you can think rationally and believe in God. In fact, some people can only find God through logical thinking. But you actually need to start thinking hard instead of suggesting only gullible people believe in God.

[@bonnie43uk]

@@onesimonly7423 is it rational to believe in the supernatural without credible evidence?

[@dealan3436]

I used to be addicted to the marijuana smoke but Christ Jesus through His Love Set me free from that addiction and a lot of other addictions including sex

[@saintdaniel6403]

I'm always in awe of how Cliffe explains and answers in such a compelling and humble manner. Thank you Cliffe!

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

I'm always in awe of how Cliffe never presents a single evidentiary fact that substantiates his claims.

[@onesimonly7423]

@@Theo_Skeptomai How do you mean?

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

​@@onesimonly7423I just explained how. I have NEVER watched Cliffe present a single evidentiary fact that can substantiate ANY claim he has made. He simply makes _baseless_ claims. Listen to him!

[@onesimonly7423]

@@Theo_Skeptomai Alright first point: The "Give Me An Answer" series is about having an intellectual conversation by using logic. Cliffe engages students and tries to get his point across by challenging their thinking. Second point: Cliffe does bring forth evidence but does not go into details for each piece of evidence he presents, otherwise, all the episodes would be hours long. If you're interested in the evidence, you had best look it up for yourself if you're not satisfied/don't agree with what he has to say. Third and last point: you're going to tell me you watched all his videos and even after being disappointed every time from the lack of a single valid piece of evidence (according to you), you're still here watching and criticizing Cliffe and christians in the comment section? Either you're jealous that people have found God and you still haven't figured out whether he's even real or not. Or you still think, in your heart, that there's a tiny possibility that God may be real, like that thought you can't get out of your head. I say, keep looking. Never stop seeking God. God is trying to get your attention, I'm sure of it. Forget logic and what you think can or cannot be real. Finding God, and way more importantly, finding Jesus, is the best decision you could ever make.

[@rouke3254]

@@onesimonly7423I watch many Cliffe videos with the objective to learn and understand different perspectives. I do think there is a God or creator but not one that is biblical, and I grew up in the church. Honestly, most of Cliffe arguments can be dismantled and I think he prays on people who have less experience and knowledge. First, he says light cannot come from matter or energy, yet light is literally energy. Then he tries to make an argument of having the free will to do something painful somehow means you possess the ability of freewill. Well, have you ever watched animals in the wild? Do you think when an animal attacks its prey that an altercation might occur causing pain. This is why you see lions staying low stalking their prey because they want to get a jump on its prey before it can escape or defend itself. Of course, the lion knows it could be injured during this process, yet they still hunt. A better example is when a lion is separated from its group and is attacked by a group of hyaenas, the lion will cry out calling for help, the group of lions will come to the defense of the other lion. Why would they do this if it's going to be painful; according to Cliffe argument against Pavlov then the lions would not defend the other lion because an altercation would occur causing pain. This is just a small quick example of his flawed thinking that can be dismantle. A better argument in his defense would be how do humans know what is right or wrong and this may entail free-will. The simple fact is that humans don't. Over years and years, we learned it's better to not kill people so we can live in harmony and not have every city wiped out every 50 years like in 2000BC-100AD.Only 100 years ago we literally had two world wars when Christianity and other majors religions have been at a historic high yet we still fight against each other. Ironic how the 70s and 80s with the “hippie movement “ has brought more peace than any other religion. It's better not to kill people because we can help each other. Another interview theory is the Flynn effect which states every new generation is on average more intelligent than the previous generation. Anyway, I try to see all perspectives. I think if someone wants to believe in a religious God all power to you. I believe in a God because I have felt his presence, I just don't believe in a religious one.And because I know it’s coming. What is the meaning of life without religion? The meaning of life is to suffer that’s why Jesus died on the cross, in the most pain way a person can die, it’s a parabole. That’s why during that time period the people resinated with the story because life is suffering but with that comes the ability to feel pleasure and happiness and to live a life that is meaningful to those around you and your community, state, country and world. Anyway take care and good luck on your journey. I will see y’all in the afterlife when we all become one ❤.

[@onesimonly7423]

To all my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ reading this, take courage! There IS suffering because you serve God, there ARE ordeals, the world DOES HATE you because of Christ. But remember 2 Corinthians 12 : 10 : "For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong". Be bold for God. When you spread the Good News of salvation, the Holy Spirit is with you! We have peace and joy in Jesus because His death and resurrection have made us righteous in the eyes of God. "I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.” - John 16 : 33 God bless you!

[@jasonmacneil2256]

Cliffe could have dropped the mic and walked away after his very first comment. I hope these students eventually realize the service that Cliffe is providing them by continuing to listen to some of their silliness all while trying to bring them to Jesus!

[@sparkyy0007]

You've got to give them credit. To believe a bucket of dirt, sunlight and time somehow wrote the complete works of Shakespeare.... That right there is some serious grade A Faith. Peace and Love God bless you all

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

To whom are you referring when you say "them"?

[@jaxonboys3366]

If you're speaking of the Bible, men wrote the Bible. No one is saying that a fiery finger came down and scribbled it out. That is nonsense. It was divinely inspired, definitely. Just as Shakespeare, whoever he/she was, wrote his plays deeply inspired by God given creativity. Sunlight and dirt will destroy them both, as everything on earth. But they will not and cannot destroy the divine spirit. That's the whole point in a nutshell.

[@spacecoastz4026]

@@Theo_Skeptomai *To whom are you referring when you say "them"* You for starters.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@@spacecoastz4026 Are you asserting that I "believe a bucket of dirt, sunlight and time somehow wrote the complete works of Shakespeare"? YES or NO.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@@spacecoastz4026 Well, are you?

[@jimkim125]

I've been struggling with temptation and frequently failing. Thank God for inspiring this video to you, and thank you for following God in posting it. It has really helped me in a moment that is incredibly heavy for me.

[@Disciple793]

The young black women mentioned what comes around goes around. That sounds a lot like reap what you sow. (Proverbs 22:8)

[@robmc120]

Almost like they have God's word written in their heart (Genesis 1:26/Jeremiah 31:33). God bless you!

[@sidwhiting665]

"What goes around comes around...." . This was recorded in 1996. I doubt she would still agree with this statement she made so long ago, now that she's been out in the real world where often times evil absolutely does go unpunished many times.

[@Joshuatree7746]

Wow. Students of higher learning. God really help us. I remember taking philosophy during my undergraduate years and the instructor was astounded by the ignorance of the students (myself included) who came to the school but could not think. It was a very humbling class and I had to unlearn my preconception. Yes, I was stupid then and less stupid now but still pretty stupid as my wife often points out.

[@tomhogue3921]

As a Dad to my North Florida University daughter I want to tell you that the people that I tell her that I look up to are people like you two!! In heaven we will rejoice together!! Thank you for your testimony the both of you - Words cannot describe how proud That I am for you guys! Well Done!!

[@Adam_A_Christian]

God bless you Cliff and Stuart. Happy Thanksgiving! I'm grateful to call you brothers in the Lord and for all you do to reach the lost and build up and edify the body of Christ. May your treasures in Heaven abound!

[@pnwliving4504]

Wow I really loved his response to the woman in the end for both her questions. So well articulated and kind.

[@nightstalker.5973]

Thank you Cliffe!

[@paulwilfridhunt]

I am particularly grateful for Cliffe’s good ministry because my grandson told me he watches him.

[@unofficialgrasseater]

Even though I am not Christian, this guy makes incredible points that I myself have been making for a while. I have complicated beliefs, and seeing this really makes me happy. Science can't explain everything, but accepting that science has answers but also there has to be something higher that is a catalyst and continued protector is amazing.

[@shydalelewis3966]

Whats holding you back from having a relationship with Jesus?

[@sannyriama]

Thank you Cliff. God Bless You❤

[@harrietaogiemwonyi6264]

Thank you so much mr cliffe the Lord is really using you to help us understand a lot about the Gospel. I feel my perspective in the Gospel going to a new horizon after watch your videos. It makes me want to know more so that i can answer questions like these when people question me about my Faith .May the Lord keep on blessing you and your family abundantly sir❤

[@walterluvsu8818]

Thanks so much cliffe and fam

[@JasonSullivanBigBass]

Thank you Cliff for spreading the truth God will reward you brother God I pray you will keep this man safe and happy Amen 🙏

[@thewniverse9240]

Always amazing responses!

[@idiotburns]

May God Bless this channel!

[@jasonbabilonia3037]

Very respectful crowd and intelligent as well, they were willing to listen, oh how things have changed, help us lord.

[@kgosiking4228]

this was a really good one that I wish didnt end . the last two ladies asked questions genuinely looking and listening for the answers, I like to have conversations with people like that, real respectable dialogue , not people that get mad and heated at your answers

[@mrstuerffs]

Amazing! I'm an instant fan of this man

[@curiousgeorge555]

Cliffe Rocks!

[@dorcaskirsch1119]

Proverb 21:30-"There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD" Amen

[@Lonewolf-oh2qy]

Thank you for preaching the word of God, God bless you greatly

[@jasonnoble7302]

*God 🤷‍♂️

[@shydalelewis3966]

​@@jasonnoble7302he's the alpha and omega, beginning and end as he says. Your choice to believe or not.

[@jasonnoble7302]

@@shydalelewis3966 The universal structure is the source for all reality It’s your choice to believe that or not Up to you 🤷‍♂️

[@shydalelewis3966]

@@jasonnoble7302 what do you mean all reality?

[@jasonnoble7302]

@@shydalelewis3966 All that is can be and will be

[@AceLahadi]

oh mr cliffe you are gifted what else can I say short of words honestly I am. plenty excuses people have on not to believe though buh I believe allot are honestly confused about God we need to talk more to open up and bridge the gaps. blessings

[@garymoore7445]

It's discerning to see how the numbers of this younger generation have pulled away from God and don't have an understanding of Christianity. There has never been a generation before that has been so aggressively brainwashed against our creator and our savior. They have been taught that the world evolves around them and their sin is more important to them than their eternal life. I shake my head at what I see in society today. But! Cliff, you are a beacon shining hope in their direction and I hope that even just one of them listens and makes a turn away from the evil that is polluting their minds. I listen to Cliff every day for hope and in order to keep the good word fresh in my ming and he never fails! Thank you Cliff and Stewart!

[@johnnyrocket1685]

As Jesus said, “sadly, these things are meant to happen; but woe to those through whom these bad things happen.”

[@Jorge-ui9fc]

If I can share anything to someone and spare them grief here goes. I died December of 2020 obviously. I was revived and then. I had four heart attacks after that until twenty twenty two july thirteenth to be exact. When I died, I'm not gonna go into it. I had a death experience. I don't say near death cause I was dead. I know because I wasn't living at the time twenty five minutes in total. I know I was not in control. My soul was getting tossed around and experiencing horrible things, In the end, I know it was Jesus that said "leave him alone. It's not his time" because when I looked at him , I felt peace. And In the same turn, we will answer for what we have done and I can only pray for gives me and I'm trying really card end. Even if I wasn't a born again, I would have to go to Jesus because he's the only one that really has proved myself in my eyes and in my soul. Please people, it's 1 second after you close your eyes for the final time, it's tooplease in the name of God and Jesus. Please give Jesus and peace of chance. I have to go with. There is only one way and that only makes sense. There's no 6 ways to do about anything. You do right or wrong same with your soul, especially with your soul. That's the most valuable thing that you possess losing. That would be such a tragedy. And that's why God cry is for us and the only reason he would. Everything else is our choice and he has to watch spirit that is pure and loving. Once you call him, you will feel him working your life. And that little voice in your head. You don't know, it's not an evil one. Because he said you will know it's me. God bless you. And may only good happen to you.❤😊❤

[@monnieannbee8197]

If you have repented, you are forgiven and no longer need to rehearse past sin. The Bible says that if we confess our sins that He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. God does not remember repented sin. Isaiah 43:25 - I, yes I, am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake and remembers your sins no more. 1 Peter 3:18 - For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit. You are dead to sin once you accept Christ. Now you have the Holy Spirit to help you along the way. Fill yourself with the Word of God. It’s is life and health to all your flesh. And share the gospel unto good works. The Bible says that your good works will not go unnoticed. You store up treasures and rewards in heaven when we do the work unto the Lord. He brings us to repentance, turns us around 180 degrees, gives us a new heart, the Holy Spirit and restores us. God is great!

[@michaelszczys8316]

That's what I say Cliff, even if they could make life forms everyday in a laboratory with advanced scientific equipment I still could not believe that it would ever happen by itself. Still falls into the category of the fact that man has the technology to build a space shuttle but even if it were given zillions of years I could never believe a space shuttle could come about by itself.

[@jasonnoble7302]

But Gods zillions of possible desires somehow are more probable then evolution ? How does that work exactly?

[@michaelszczys8316]

@@jasonnoble7302 ANYTHING is more probable than evolution.

[@jasonnoble7302]

@@michaelszczys8316 Fascinating… So by your lights it’s more probable that the Christian God is evil then evolution being true. Sounds good to this atheist bud 👍

[@vincentjeremy709]

Let me assure you, they can't even recreate a single working cell. Watch how scientists today cheat in research papers, claiming it's possible but all they do is cheat 😂 watch Dr. James Tour, a chemist professor for decades explaining those things.

[@nikokapanen82]

@@jasonnoble7302 It's not the process itself in Evolution that Cliffe and many other Christians are against, it is the origin of it being nothing but random chaos, luck, and spontaneity, that is ludicrous and foolish.

[@williamjaredsimmons1201]

Beautiful discussion

[@paulburns6110]

I love and commend Cliffe’s respectful and humble answer to the Lesbian when she asked “why shouldn’t she trust her own moral compass when embracing her sexual deviancy”. He responded that it’s more reliable to trust our creator’s plan than our own disordered and selfish desires. Indeed wisdom comes from an awe of God. May He bless both of them.

[@jessebryant9233]

How do you abuse anything if there is no true standard or purpose of anything? Those who object are assuming what they cannot establish given their own worldview. Hm... (Romans 2:14-15)

[@jasonnoble7302]

How do you know something is abusing when your worldview doesn’t account for that normative knowledge It’s funny how you use special pleading to establish your worldview morality then deny special pleading like you just did above “Why are you here Jason” 😢

[@spooky6902]

Most people feel something called empathy. That feeling in itself is a standard for determining what's abusive.

[@jasonnoble7302]

@@spooky6902 Our friend claims a true subjective standard can not be a standard of any kind It’s utterly hilarious

[@spooky6902]

@@jasonnoble7302 it's even funnier because his standard is subjective AND imaginary

[@jessebryant9233]

@@spooky6902 Feelings don't decide here-nor does a simply majority. I mean, what if someone doesn't have this "feeling"? Are the broken, defective, wrong, or just different? Can someone who feels no empathy do no wrong? Just think through what you're claiming...

[@ericscaillet2232]

Cliff should stop spreading falsities about south Africans -when his own country imported slaves -hypocracy 101 -apartheid was at its core separateness due to cultural differences - rather go with whom without sin cast the first stone.

[@nightstalker.5973]

He condemned slavery which was practiced in the USA more often than I could count…

[@nightstalker.5973]

He also always admits how sinful he is and how he does not live a life which is Christ like… although he tries, sometimes he, as all of us fails

[@jessebryant9233]

So you believe that objective and timeless moral absolutes exist then? So you're a theist?

[@vincentjeremy709]

The replies seems hot🫠 legend has it he's still thinking for rebuttal. 😂

[@kingofthemultiverse4148]

What a dumb argument man, I'm not even an American, I'm from Srilanka and my country was colonised by the British, but I'm not going to accuse a British person of hypocrisy for condemning the European colonisations just because of what his ancestors did nor am i going to discredit his message based on something that he himself never did, that's not "hypocrisy", it's aknowledging and empathising with the sufferings of the victims, condeming the injustices done to them and also offering a remedy to help alleviate the sufferings that exist in the world, i accepted that remedy 10 years ago at the age of 18 which healed all my pain, it is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

[@HereIsWisdom1318]

I also say this to ppl when i have discussions with non-believers. There is a chance that i could be wrong, and if i am wrong, what's the consequence? According to a non-believer, there is no consequence. But are you willing to accept that YOU can be wrong, because if you are, what is the consequence? Eternal damnation in the fiery pits of hell, and that is a chance i am UNWILLING to take.

[@knxcholx]

That is not at all a way to get people to doubt their worldview

[@FireFight_Gaming]

How can I get in contact with you Cliff. I have so many questions I just wanna ask to you

[@kaczmarekandreas7214]

Free palestina from Islam❤❤❤❤❤

[@CJBlake-ym6ky]

What twisted thinking. To believe one cannot know or value goodness and morals because one doesn't believe the way you believe. Very strange. You are dehumanizing and devaluing others with this type of thinking.

[@jessebryant9233]

What does it mean to be human?

[@ajaemedia8925]

​@@jessebryant9233 love this question because people are always quick to judge but never want to give a alternative.

[@bonnie43uk]

@@ajaemedia8925 what would be your answer to what it means to be human aja?, everyone will probably have their own personal opinion.

[@nightstalker.5973]

You have not listened carefully… watch the video again and tell me when cliffe said what you just claimed.

[@btrajon]

Yeah seriously what twisted thinking. Cliff say something and people hear what they want to.

[@1GodManyprayers]

People back then had so much more sense than today. Cliffe is my hero. Jesus lives !!!! 🙏🏽

[@SeaMermaid777]

Amen

[@unleashthefury111]

All the pens and paper, lack of cell phones, no laptops, baggy jeans; this is an old one!

[@SHADOWSCOOp2829]

God is good 🙏🏼

[@IBenZik]

@16:14, the best answer is God knows your heart.

[@johnts9136]

I haven't seen Cliff in this campus anymore wondering why

[@shydalelewis3966]

He still goes just not as much

[@princyeasow6685]

I have a question. How would i reach you?

[@jameelhambrick9041]

Go-to his college.

[@LuxMachaera]

It's billions of years, billions of stars, and trillions of planets. The odds add up. It's hard to comprehend the vastness of the universe and the depth of time involved with the chances of life emerging. But also, life is in essence a myriad of chemical reactions working in tandem in each organism. Why is it so unbelievable that simple chemical reactions produced progressively more complex chemical reactions over vast periods of time?

[@jtzutube]

When was this - about '90 or '92?

[@SimagnaBasketball]

Cliffe: “It’s very simple…” he’s nice with it

[@giauscaesar8047]

The Universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is at bottom. No design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind , pitiless indifference. Richard Dawkins.

[@jrabbit4404]

Expectation has nothing to do with what you observe. You live in a 3 dimensional galaxy that contains life forms. The probability of that just “happening”, aka “life from non-life” is an insane form of thinking in my view. All signs based on my physical observation of my life & this universe is that someone, or something created it, from nothing. A God, or “highly intelligent and all powerful” being. I think God fits the mold of precisely that intelligent design of the universe. In the book of Genesis, it was written “So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭27‬ ‭NIV‬‬ If humans are created in an “image” I personally view this word as “space time” itself if you want to collude scientific basis as well. “Space time” was introduced first by Einsteins rough theory for special relativity, refined later to general relativity (our current best understand of gravity/reality of our 3D world). Also - the “big bang” is the best theory on the creation of the universe, which also points to something, a singularity, that exploded to create: time, matter, energy. We know the universe is roughly 14 billion years old (at least) from cosmic radiation. I can go on about evolution & why it does not make sense either. Do you believe we just exist because we “do”? Because that is what’s known as a circular argument fallacy.

[@saintpaulofyoutube4416]

I don't know how I missed this. I bet the Dawk wishes he'd never uttered that silly comment. Why should we believe his conclusion if the mind he used to form it was the result of an undesigned purposeless and indifferent process??

[@thomasfuentes2913]

​@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 Dawkins just wa Dawkins just wanted to push his beliefs on people in his books cause of his hatred for God

[@exileduniverse]

whats your thoughts on catholicism cliffe

[@phineas8532]

It doesn’t matter anyone’s thoughts about it, except those who abide in truth, chiefly God himself. Catholicism is disgusting heresy that rejects Christ’s one time sacrifice for all of our sins, and it’s adherents think they crush Jesus’ body over and over each mass. Disgusting satanic blasphemous damnable hellbound heresy

[@robertiacob5232]

i got a question i want to buy a bible but i do not know what bible to buy any suggestions?

[@butterandremy]

HI! yes! so i would recommend ESV or NLT. I personally like read letter, which basically just means that whatever Jesus said, is written in red letters.

[@butterandremy]

you can start anywhere, I would recommend matthew. read all of matthew and then go from there

[@robertiacob5232]

@@butterandremy thank you so much

[@butterandremy]

@@robertiacob5232 you’re so welcome friend! please,, if you have any questions fill free to type them here and we can talk about them

[@walterdaems57]

1) Some-thing can only come into existence out of a state of no-thing. Otherwise some-thing couldn’t be anything else than every-thing. The state of no-thing on the other hand has the potential to manifest every-thing. Therefore, some-thing and no-thing are of equal value. Not surprisingly the same result is obtained in mathematics but I prefer my own thought via a philosophical approach. Thinking for yourself has proven to be a great way to keep devils, angels, goblins, leprechauns and god(s) at a distance, but that aside. 2) There are good reasons to compare the coming into existence of universes with something we all enjoyably know: ejaculations. Most spermatozoa are destined for the drain and only one amongst the million losses viable. We are living in one of the universes viable for life, probably amongst many failed or disabled universes; hence the absolutely not miraculous fine tuning of our cosmic surroundings. We’re lucky and we are translating our luck, a very common human characteristic, into pride, prejudice and the preposterous idea that a super being is overseeing each of us and sad or happy depending on the position of our hands above or below the sheets. 3) So, the absolute beginning from the very first universe must have started from a very fine tilting point in a state where there was no difference between some- and no-thing. Quantum mechanics has learned us that energy can be borrowed for such a short time that the balance between the two states isn’t affected. Unimaginable stretches of time and evolution have done the rest in a trial, error and rarely, but in view of the incredible time lapses, unavoidable success way. We perceive the end result like a magic trick. Conclude that the pigeon out of the head is pure wizardry until the magician explains every step of the astonishing experience. 4) if an all powerful god existed, why in the name of the one no one should believe in, would that being make the billion of years detour instead of just creating a made and ready universe? Unless you reject the fact, no, no longer the theory, but the fact of evolution. If that’s the case, then you are worshipping a god created or accepted out of pure and maybe even wilful ignorance. 5) if god existed there would be no need to prove his existence because he / she / it would be perceived or at the very least be experienced by believers and non believers alike and since that’s clearly not the case it’s safe to say that god(s) are man made and not the other way around. That’s also why there are approximately, at present, 4.300 religions with matching super bff to suit different cultures, regions and tribes. 6) Seneca, ancient Roman philosopher: ‘for common people religion is true, for wise men false and useful for rulers’. The story of Jesus, his miracles and resurrection Ask 1000 followers of Kenneth Copeland if he can heal the sick, paralysed and disabled. Well, you know the answer. Ask 1000 followers of Copeland if he could resurrect someone from the dead. You know the answer Ask 1000 followers of Copeland if they witnessed a resurrection performed by Copeland and at least 100 will testify on their life and the life of their children that they witnessed a resurrection done by one of the biggest spiritual con men in our day and age. Should give you some idea about the value of testimonials in Jesus time. People turn their wishes into beliefs and from that principle all religions are born.

[@RoydMwenda]

I love how people were disagreeing with the black girl. It's giving me hope for a better Christian society in the future

[@boomia5725]

Wow people where more intelligent vefore social media

[@russellbizzell2516]

Cliffe thier was a short video of you explaining the best way to read the Nobel to understand it and I’ve been looking for it if you could repost it or make a new video I’ll be grateful

[@mjax_bruh2433]

is there a video where he explains the whole bible??

[@dentonhahn2907]

I don't know of any, but I think he would say to read it yourself. I like Clif alot, but I think I would have a few different views than he does. Hey check out Mike winger, he does some explaining scripture, I believe he is rather straight forward and fairly accurate.

[@SELAHPAUSE]

Back when I became a Christian in 1993 I was taking care of a patient on his death bed with full blown aids and I wept over that man as I tried to lead him to Christ but even in his sickness and last dying breath he basically gave God the middle finger and I cried oven his dead body in the hospital bed when he finally passed away and as I typed this I come to realized it was two patients with aids and unfortunately the same conclusion 😢🙏🏾👆🏾🙌🏾

[@knxcholx]

That is the unfortunate reality of freedom. Sometimes it costs people their eternity

[@samueldavidvisuals2595]

I am trying to share the word with a very good friend of mine. She is an incredibly kind, sweet, generous person. She is objectively very good, everyone who meets her loves her. One of her big questions is, why will people who are very good, and spend their lives trying to do good (possibly in service of another religion), go to hell just because they don’t believe in Jesus? Or rather, how can that be justified? I grew up Christian and in church, so the short and sweet answer of the only way to heaven is through Christ makes sense and works for me. But she seems to need a little more. Could someone please either point me to a video of Cliffe talking about this, or give me some answers to share with her?

[@chrishanson1631]

Hi Samuel. I am not a Bible scholar by any means but I know what the Bible teaches. All of mankind is given two lights. The light of creation that we all experience as children when discovering the awe of the universe and it tells us God made all this happen. The second is the light of conscience. We know lying is bad without anyone telling us. It is written on our hearts by God. Most people ignore God in pursuit of their own will in life. That is a trend all throughout the OT. If someone loves God with all their heart, mind and soul, and is willing to live for God's will, God will reveal himself to them. He might use you to do it. Explain the life of Jesus. Who he was, what he did and said. I do not believe any objective person can look at Jesus and say he is not worthy to have the highest praise for his teachings. If we were all more like him we would be in a much better world. You can go through all the prophecies that foretold of his coming. Even in my generation foretold prophecy has come to pass. Jews were returned to their homeland just as foretold in the Bible. The only people in the entire history of civilization to do so. That never would have happened, and history would have been much different had Jesus not come when he did.

[@jefferyjacob1755]

“The ramifications are going to come. Maybe not now maybe not ever , but there going to come” 🤔 lol

[@coltonabernathy760]

“You’re intelligent and so am I”🤥

[@user-ku4lw5ug8g]

Hey man I am a Christian but I would like to be in a call because I have questions

[@KevinGeneFeldman]

Look how normal everyone looks, vs today everyone would look like a total clown, screeching and throwing stuff.

[@TimelessPerspectives]

I need your help! Cliffe, you and your family are suffering from 'the midnight disease' specifically 'geshwin syndrome' I've just discovered I have it too, I need a support network of people like me who can't stop preaching the truth, I'm trying to find my way! please reach out! for Jesus Sake!

[@joymacwan02]

Hy i am believer and follower of jesus christ and i have question about something. I don't understand the concept about dinosaurs.. can someone pro explan it??????

[@bonnie43uk]

dinosaurs were living on this planet some 300 million years ago, but many Christians believe the earth to be only a few thousand years old, so there is a big discrepancy in the time that dinosaurs lived, and the age of the earth according to some Christians. Hope that helps.

[@joymacwan02]

@@bonnie43uk first the adam and even was made by the god. They are created in the mid age. So according to scientists earth was started to be like earth by the ball of the sand or whatever it is so if god make earth from the starting than it is not a livable place for the humans and all kind of creatures it's mean earth was also made in the mid age .. so bro read bible it is the most meaningful book in the world 😃👍. Ur late bro god had given me the answer before u. God bless you 🙏 ❤️

[@bonnie43uk]

@@joymacwan02 How old is the planet we live on joy?, how would you go about finding out such information?

[@joymacwan02]

@@bonnie43uk according to Bible because you can see the Jesus christ is real because of the calendar and there's 4 eye witnesses are there and they written all things in the bibel so if he real than of course the bibel is.

[@joymacwan02]

@@bonnie43uk and yes how can someone truly believe in the logical "theories" like big bang and also kind of thinking. And also there's so many stars and planets running more than speed of light constantly. And we founded millions of stars and planets but earth is the only one accurately positioned not too far from sun not too close with perfect habitable zone all that humans needed to live. And some people still believes humans came from the monkeys than why there's still monkeys are in our world.? And yes science believe in the theory that big bang start from the blast. And without doing something no possible incident are there. so it is the energy. Then how the hell energy came from the nothing.??

[@cxty6789]

Some ppl are saying Christmas is demonic. Is this true?

[@dentonhahn2907]

What do you think? Is worship of Jesus demonic? I do think the modern celebration of Christmas is not to worship God, but self and I would say that is evil.

[@cxty6789]

@@dentonhahn2907 no they were saying no where in the Bible does it pick a day to celebrate Jesus birth.

[@dentonhahn2907]

@cxty6789 no where in the Bible does it say to celibate Easter, but we do. Paul did address this thought of observing certain days and not others days, he was clear he who holds a day holds it to the Lord

[@HereIsWisdom1318]

5:40--Ive heard this guy use this argument, and i dont understand why he doesnt do it here, but the argument is: Why do you need proof that God did all this? When you walk into a library, and you see all those books organized and catalogued, you know a librarian did that. You know that it didnt happen by chance that all those books were catalogued. And the same goes for God.

[@nicopolis7377]

Cliffe is speaking about Biogenesis .

[@IBenZik]

The verbiage of a child, @7:52, "if you kill somebody and that person comes back and kills you". Then the karma rant. "Maybe not now, maybe not ever",,,,,,,,,and your point!?

[@enochbentil3048]

🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦

[@HereIsWisdom1318]

As far as all this happening by chance or accident, i always pose it like this: Do you know why we have a solar eclipse? (the answer will always be something as simple as, because the moon passes between the earth and the sun). To which i say, "yes, but why does the eclipse happen. And no one knows. So I continue, "The reason solar eclipses happen is because the diameter of the sun is about 400 times that of the moon, but also approximately 400 times farther away from the earth as the moon." Meaning, those 3 huge bodies in space, that are of different sizes, are placed so perfectly far away from each other, that they actually seem the same size, and that did not happen by accident. Someone did that, and the only someone who could have done that was God. Then you can see people start thinking. The stupid ones will still deny.

[@HereIsWisdom1318]

16:37--The bible says that one day is as a thousand years, as a thousand years is as one day, which means, you can live a life of sin, but on your last day, if you truly repent (and you cant fool God), you will make it to the Kingdom of Heaven.

[@marcellofunhouse1234]

If God knows in advance how we will act, it looks as if we cannot act freely because we cannot act other than in accordance with God's foreknowledge.

[@Political-du8yd]

Was that old Cliffe yrs ago?…not his son?

[@shydalelewis3966]

Yea thats cliff. His son was a kid at this time

[@Political-du8yd]

@@shydalelewis3966lol…that’s was a “minute” ago!…thanks

[@shydalelewis3966]

@@Political-du8yd oh wow three weeks haha yea bro if you still watch cliff the guy with the bold hair is Stewart one of his sons.

[@ItsOmatic]

i love Cliffe and Stuart. But im starting to think that these people that try to contest them dont study what they speak on, with the at most respect ofc

[@michaelplace4754]

She just said punishment is going to come maybe not when your alive but it's going to come so she believes in God and a after life

[@bonnie43uk]

science isn't claiming that the apparent order and design we see around us came about by chance, science hasn't yet worked out how everything came about, it's an incredibly difficult question to answer.

[@jessebryant9233]

Word to the wise, don't let the #1 troll of all things Cliffe waste your time this Thanksgiving. He's lonely and eating his Cheerios and needs some attention. For the few who don't already know: You've been warned!

[@joshua4747]

@@jessebryant9233I can assure you cliffe is with his family thanking God for a wonderful holiday. God bless you brother.

[@bonnie43uk]

@@buntewandfarbe_7834 so, you're saying science DOES know everything came about?, i'm not quite following you.

[@bonnie43uk]

@@jessebryant9233 I'm sure people can think for themselves jesse. I'm certainly not lonely or eating cheerio's, I'm like everyone else on here leaving a comment, take it or leave it. The scientific method is far and away the best way to figure out stuff 🙂

[@scottm4042]

​@@bonnie43ukAnd Science and God do not conflict, ask Newton, Kepler, and Galileo, and the more than 70 % of Nobel peace prize winners. Science is a great way to find knowledge, and so is history, and literature, and music, and art, etc. God is Truth, and Knowledge, and Understanding, and Wisdom, and Counsel, and Power, and the Fear of the Lord. He is Spirit, and He is Love, and Just.

[@user-tl4ob4kz3x]

God bless you cliff I have committed sins but I have repented I will never betray the son of god and just like in the bible it said in one of the revelations the river would turn red in Egypt the river Nile has turned red amen to all!!✝🙏

[@justingary5322]

Cliffe Knechtle is exactly right Order and design come from a Creator we call God SOOOO YEAH 👍. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology but I accept micro Evolution such as speciation and adaptation because there's no evidence of macro Evolutionary biology nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.

[@Alejandro-ym1rp]

You're 100% right religion is man-made Jesus never said to make religions. But he did say pick up your cross and follow me. The devil has infiltrated Christianity and made it into a religion. But Christianity is not a religion it's a way of life, it's a type of people. For example It's like calling somebody Caucasian they are not a religion they are a type of people.

[@phineas8532]

Don’t try to throw religion under the bus. Religion is good according to the Bible. I want you to read James 1:26-27 KJV And also friend, please watch the video on my channel’s playlist. It is the gospel, and will give you the 100% assurance of salvation

[@blipblop_stop3069]

22:04 pin

[@Adam-om4jy]

I have a question and its not to disprove anything or go against the religion I have just been thinking about it for awhile and i would appreciate a answer from anyone. If a child is born in the Himalayan mountains and has never and will never contact anyone of the Christian religion and is only taught his native religion by his parents. is it wrong to punish him and send him to hell for not accepting jesus even though he was never even aware of the religions presence in the world

[@justingary5322]

SILLY ATHEISTS TRIX ARE FOR KIDS 🤣. Location of birthplace doesn't matter you can learn anything

[@bonnie43uk]

excellent question, from a logical point of view the obvious answer would be yes, it would be very wrong.

[@bonnie43uk]

@@justingary5322 That's a terrible answer justin, tell me how someone who is born in a location devoid of Christianity learn about Christianity. What if you were born in the Amazon 500 years ago as one example, you'd have zero concept of the Hebrew God.

[@ryana1787]

It’s not possible because Cliff can’t imagine it. Well in that case, must be god.

[@justingary5322]

He didn't say anything like that 😆

[@ryana1787]

He can’t imagine order without god. He can’t imagine life without god. He can’t imagine free will without god. God exists because cliff feels he exists.

[@stevemeisternomic]

It's not possible because it's not possible. If you disagree you can always prove us wrong. There's a Nobel prize waiting for you when you do.

[@ryana1787]

@@stevemeisternomic that’s you making a positive claim that something is impossible. So it’s your burden to prove. Have fun.

[@ryana1787]

@@stevemeisternomic how about this - I say god’s not possible. Prove otherwise. There’s a Nobel prize waiting for you.

[@stephenmichaels6682]

To be SAVED according to our apostle Paul,you must BELIEVE/TRUST The Gospel of Jesus Christ,1 st Corinthians Chapter 15 verses 1-4.Jesus Christ died on the cross for all of your sins,was buried,and rose again on the third day.Jesus Christ’s Shed Blood is what saves you when you Believe this plan of salvation with your heart.Romans 3:25” Faith in His Blood”.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Saved from which peril?

[@phineas8532]

⁠@@Theo_Skeptomaifrom the second death, hell. Youre either born once and die twice, or born twice and die only once. The one thing you must to do be saved/born again is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. This is because he has died for all of our sins (past, present, and future) and rose again for our justification. But don’t you dare think about doing wickedness after being saved, just because you can, cause God will chastise you harshly in this life. For example if you decide you wanna be hitler 2.0, you can bet you’re gonna die before you do

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@phineas8532 Have you ever _directly observed_ this 'hell'?

[@phineas8532]

@@Theo_Skeptomai there is great evidence of the God who became man who preached that he was the savior thereof

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@@phineas8532 Was that a "yes" or a "no"?

[@NotYourEchoChamber-cc9dz]

Yeah it’s all by accident. Just look at his son.

[@jsjs-qw3ss]

Why is everything falls back to homosexual with every Question not only here but almost everywhere the topic comes down to homosexual.

[@nikokapanen82]

Because it is the most sensitive subject there can be and for good reasons. You see, people of that subject (I am not calling them what they are because YT censors such comments very easily) have been experiencing an enormous amount of persecution and even the death penalty for millennia at least in the Bible-based nations. Yet lately, the majority of people have begun to believe that such behavior is innate and harmless and therefore should not be illegal anyhow, and even more than that, people of such behavior should be compensated for all the persecution they received for so long. So, today, when somebody says that such behavior is wrong, is considered a bigot and hater.

[@kristijanpavlovic8605]

@@nikokapanen82 Contrary to the Christian belief, homosexuality is not a sin. What is a sin is promiscuity. I believe God created us to have a sexual relationship with just one person, our soulmate, and that person could be of the same or opposite gender.

[@nikokapanen82]

@@kristijanpavlovic8605 We have to be honest, sticking your sexual organ inside butthole is promiscuity.

[@kristijanpavlovic8605]

@@nikokapanen82 I think you need to look into the definition of promiscuity.

[@nikokapanen82]

@@kristijanpavlovic8605 A simple Bing search gave me this answer: "Promiscuity refers to having sexual relations with multiple partners, often without exclusivity or commitment. It can also describe indiscriminate mingling or mixture of different elements or parts. Essentially, it signifies a lack of strict boundaries or selectivity in sexual behavior or social interactions" So I wasn't incorrect.

[@rkish1969]

Why are these know it alls bother with college in the first place

[@JesusisGodandKingofkimgs]

Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hell and go to heaven instead

[@phineas8532]

⁠@@JesusisGodandKingofkimgsI wouldn’t include repent cause it might confuse them. The only thing one must do to be saved is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ- because Christ died for ALL of our sins (past, present, and future) and rose again for us

[@leendom2028]

I don't think if we can leave better if we are all came from the accidents! I know the accidents are resulting brokeness,damages, and death! So how can you say all this things! If we look our environment everything was good, organized, standardized and perfect if we are from the big bang and evolutions! What our the world looks like! Like the garbage! I ask you mam it is ok to you that you are from the accidents? Imagine if our head are place on the back and our hands are on our foot! Our nose on the mouth what kind of crestion we are an aliens! If the person experience accidents he/her suffered from damages like broken leg, head injury, comatose and worst dying! So accidents means not planned because it is incomplete and unorganized! It looks better than our original looks? Absolutely not! Why? If We accidents to the motorcycle or cars we get broken legs,ribs,bones,brain or we comatose lead to dying! So accidents are worst situation happened to everyone! why we choose to believe in GOD'S CREATION! This is so amazing HE created the stars, moon and sun through HIS word only this so great! No need the big bang that like a canio😂 and evolutions imitate the growing of caterpillars to butterflies😂 just to have illustrations and explanation of the creations! Look at our world and what said in the bible we find accurately mam! In Genesis 1: 11"And God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants[e] yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth.” And it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, the third day. 14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons,[f] and for days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so We see the plants,flower vegetables and all the trees? Yes we see them to this earth We see the sun and the moon? Yes we see it on the skies? We see all kinds of animals? Yes we see it on this earth! Wee see the mankind? Yes we see each other right? Bible is the book our lives here in the earth and communication Of ALMIGHTY GOD 🙏❤️💯! To everyone May you find the truth in the word of GOD 🙏❤️💯 GOD Bless us all🙏🙏🙏

[@bonnie43uk]

What did Jesus say specifically about homosexuality? Are there any passages in the New Testament where he gives us his thoughts on people who are attracted to people of the same sex?, Is he in favor of killing gays or is he accepting of them?

[@ronwan1408]

But regarding to this original post, do you know or understand that Jesus is God?

[@bonnie43uk]

@@ronwan1408 Ah good, you found the new thread. Yes indeed, I fully understand that you believe in the Trinity of the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost. I don't believe that to be the case, can I prove it?, absolutely not. Can you prove that God and Jesus are one and the same beings?, maybe in your mind you can somehow connect the dots, but actually proving it beyond a shadow of a doubt is a totally different matter. The characters of Yahweh and Jesus as I read them off the page in the Bible come across to me as complete opposites. You have Yahweh who wants to wipe his enemies off the face of the earth, eg: Midianites, Caananites, Amalekites, etc. Whereas Jesus is telling us to love and forgive our enemies. How do you go about solving that contradiction? Attempting to wipe out an entire race of people is called genocide last time I looked. I have an interesting question for you ronwan, in your opinion, what is the worst thing you can do to another human being without killing them?

[@bonnie43uk]

@@ronwan1408 Replying to your other comment about not watching the 3 minute video from Underlings, you said you didnt want to watch it because atheists twist the narrative, that's absolutely not true my friend, it's because of those exact bloodthirsty passages which are quite chilling to read off the page, that's what makes us question the validity of the Bible and the existence of the God of the Bible. If you asked me to watch a particular Christian video that, in your opinion was good proof of Gods existence, i would happily watch it.. i want to hear the best possible strong arguments you have from the very best Christian apologists, I want my doubts challenged, so if you have a really good video from any Christian KZbinr, please let me know. I told you I read my own KJV bible almost everyday when a Christian will quote me a passage, I am not anti Christian despite what you may think, if it helps people make sense of a troubled world, and comforts them, all well and good, there are lots of really good passages and phrases in the Bible. But I believe those stories came from us, not from God, just like every other alternative Holy book.. eg: i don't think you believe in any of those other Gods, yet they all have what their believers call "Holy Scripture" I've said before to you that if you and I were born and raised as Muslims in a remote part of Pakistan, it's highly likely both of us would be followers of Islam now. I can accept that, but something tells me you can't accept that.

[@ronwan1408]

I can only go by the text the shows Jesus as being God. He was the only one to have healed anyone of their affirmities during that time & also forgiving sins. No one can heal raise people from the dead & cure them of the incurable unless you are God & Jesus Christ was doing this exact thing. His existence was proven to be real even by secular scholars.

[@ronwan1408]

We have to remember that God is a God of love as well as equally wrathful. God punished those nations you mentioned after repeated warnings to stop sacrificing their babies at the alters of their gods which his people Israel began to adopt until they too were punished. God was very loving in the OT as he told his people that they would live in abundance, even had a land chosen specifically for them that had everything they needed & never lack for anything as long as they obeyed his commandments & did not sin against him & even when they eventually did sin against him, he gave them grace by pleading to them to repent & they defiantly chose not too. God then sent prophet after prophet to warn the people of coming judgement if they did not stop their rebellion & they ended up killing those prophets & continuing in their sin until God had enough & decided to bring wrath on them. Jesus came in the form of a man much like how the OT prophets came. Preaching repentance because the day is coming when he will judge the world in righteousness & it will be too late to repent on that day. And what did the people choose to do even to him during that time? Yup, you guessed it, they killed him too just like their ancestors killed the prophets that were sent in the OT.

[@pigeonlegacy8935]

I think the Big Bang theory was just god creating everything, and gods “7 days” was billions of years by human standards. Why wouldn’t time be different for God? I think the Big Bang proves Gods existence.

[@chrishanson1631]

Time is not different for God. He does not exist in any time. When people complain that they have to repent or spend eternity in hell they do not understand eternity. Their mind goes to how long of time that is. There is no time in eternity. Difficult to wrap our minds around but not impossible.

[@butterandremy]

what an interesting take! awesome

[@pigeonlegacy8935]

@chrishanson1631 If God is omnipotent, omnipresent, omni-everything--all powerful, my idea isn't impossible. God can and will as he pleases, and why wouldn't (or couldnt) heaven have a different time metric when there are planets vastly different than ours, that have days that span years; time is a human concept and was invented by measuring the rotation of the Earth and the position of the Sun; God is not on a planet(that we know) and I am sure he doesn't need a sun either; he is not constrained to the human concept of time. Gods day might be a humans "billions of years". To say that Gods timing is the same as ours is unfathomable. @@chrishanson1631

[@bonnie43uk]

This is an open question for anyone who happens to be reading the newest comments. What are your thoughts on gay people?, I'm asking this as a heterosexual man who has a gay niece. Any thoughts would be gratefully received.

[@ronwan1408]

It’s not about my contention but instead about what the word of God says. God does not tolerate homosexual relationships, it’s in his nature. So yes, if your niece persists in her open rebellion against God & does not repent, according to His word, He will throw her in hell when it’s her time to leave this world no matter how kind or morally good she may be. I’m sorry that you seem to be struggling to comprehend God’s character but you have to understand that His thoughts are not our thoughts nor his ways our ways. God does not have our finite human logic so what seems to be morally harmless to us is extremely serious to Him & is punishable by death. That’s the beauty of it is that God can not be swayed by human reasoning or emotion. Do you understand this?

[@bonnie43uk]

@@ronwan1408 Thanks for this ronwan, I did reply to this comment in our original comment thread but it looks like you didnt receive it. No problem. As i said in that comment, I absolutely understand what the Bible says. My niece is happy and content with her partner, they have a very loving relationship, why would God want to stop someone from loving another person, regardless of gender?, Not a single person in our extended family condemns them for being in a loving relationship, quite the opposite, we've all embraced their love for one another. What would you do if your son or daughter came out as gay ronwan?, would you be understanding, or condemn them and tell them they're hellbound? As I said, i appreciate any thoughts on this. It's a contentious issue for many Christians, it would have been good to hear what Jesus himself said *specifically* about gay issues.

[@ronwan1408]

@@bonnie43uk Asking why would God destroy someone who is in a loving gay relationship is like asking someone why they like vanilla ice cream… according to scripture it is God’s preference to not approve of homosexuality. He simply does not like nor consider that morally the same as heterosexuality. Jesus did speak on the issue of homosexuality several times in the Bible. We have to remember that Jesus is God so when God destroyed Sodom & Gamorrah, Jesus was in full support & responsible for its destruction. When God says in Leviticus 18 that homosexuality is an abomination, since again, Jesus is God & all of scripture is inspired by God, he was the one who wrote that piece of scripture as well as 1 Corinthians 6:9 that says homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Jesus also said this: Matthew 19:5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? This verse, like many others support heterosexuality only. Not one mention throughout any portion of scripture supports homosexuality.

[@bonnie43uk]

@@ronwan1408 hi ronwan, you may notice there is a delay sometimes in responses, that's simply because of the different time zones, I'm in the UK, and I'm guessing you're in the USA, so I'm probably sleeping while it's late night in the US. So you're saying God has preferences?, that's interesting. I can see why ancient people would deem same sex relationships as wrong purely from a procreation point of view as it doesn't produce offspring, that makes total sense, i get that 100%. But in todays society I don't think it's relevant given the over population of the planet. I did ask you how you would respond if a close family member came out as gay?, would you condemn them, or be supportive?

[@bonnie43uk]

@@ronwan1408 I'll probably keep my responses shorter on this thread, quite often I've written longer replies, and the whole thing just disappears and that's quite frustrating. You say Jesus is God, so we should listen to what the Old Testament says. For me as a reader, the Old testament God bears no resemblance to the person in the New testament, Yahweh comes across as an ancient war god out to destroy his enemies, while this Jesus character tells us to love our enemies, I see little to compare the 2.

[@BrianBadondeBo]

Accident? Not the right word for evolution.

[@JesusisGodandKingofkimgs]

Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hell and go to heaven instead

[@BrianBadondeBo]

@JesusisGodandKingofkimgs it's impossible to live without lying, or looking with lust. We have biological drives that compell us to breed, if we didn't no one would have babies. The fact that people have anxiety around things like that is what they confuse with evil

[@justingary5322]

Something inexplicable

[@bonnie43uk]

@@BrianBadondeBo absolutely agree 100%, having lustful thoughts is one of life's free pleasures 🙂

[@jasonnoble7302]

How gullible are Christians who argue they know the perfect Christian God desired the creation of this world over the zillions of possible worlds ? And if you Christians want to gullibly claim God didn’t desire the creation of this world then that follows you’re God has failed its own desires. Party on Cliffe 👍🤪🤦🤷‍♂️

[@vincentjeremy709]

Then care to answer how non-life came from life? Do everything, the chemistry, the necessary things for it to exist and sustain. Do it in a lab, then do some video to shock the entire world because u knew all things and the answer. Plus! Do it in scratch, don't buy materials ey? I'm rooting for you, man I'll be ur no. 1 follower ❤

[@jasonnoble7302]

@@vincentjeremy709 Well, that just sounds like you’re throwing a triviality fallacy at me. If I did present you with all the things you requested I believe you would simply move the goal posts further away until your demands reached a position of absurdity. If they haven’t already. So no I can’t do that and it’s utterly irrelevant to my OP proposition.

[@beadoll8025]

There is no help to those who prefer to suppress the truth. To believe an ipad could come about from nothing is ridiculous, just as believing that the cosmos and fine tuning of the universe came from nothing and involved no intelligence is grossly ridiculous. Enjoy your fairytale.

[@NateH1984]

Your OP was a thinly veiled insult masquerading as a question. It wasn't in good faith and can be rightfully dismissed as an ad hominem.

[@jasonnoble7302]

@@NateH1984 Looks to me like you’re just making a list of silly excuses in order to justify not addressing the OP with an actual argument against it. I think you should look up what an ad hominem is before claiming a right to dismiss my questions and claim above

[@ronwan1408]

Where are all my atheist friends at who want to debate the existence of God? Let’s go!

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

I am an atheist and will gladly debate you concerning our respective positions.

[@ronwan1408]

@@Theo_Skeptomai Where does our sense of morality come from?

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

​@ronwan1408 I can't answer that ridiculous question. I can only speak for myself and my own moral assessments.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

​@ronwan1408 Are you a Christian?

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

​@ronwan1408 It is a simple, straightforward question.

[@ambientsoda106]

I love watching these videos...but Cliffe is so wrong overall... Cliffe should be celebrating freedom, and ideas such as evolution, learning, self reflection...and these are ideas that should be changing the church...

[@achakhakan4189]

Whenever this preacher talks, he always implies that animals have no soul, no free will, and no consciousness. He essentially is saying that all of God's creation is materialistic in nature, and that only humans are worthwhile. But Genesis doesn't write it that way. God saw that everything was good, even before he created man. He actually blesses the animals and in Genesis 1:22 tells them to 'Be fruitful and multiply'. Clearly God loves the animals in Genesis. But more tellingly, in Revelation 5:13, all the animals and sea creatures on earth and in heaven sing the glory of God the Father and Son. But how can they do that if have no consciousness, no free will and no soul? Because free will, consciousness, and soul are given to all living creatures. But you'd never know that listening to this preacher.

[@vincentjeremy709]

Yeah, kinda the reason why animals do weird things to propagate... God commanded them to do so. However he's not belittling other creations. He's simply stating that, we human beings, are more capable of doing complex things which are far more advanced than most creations. He never mentioned that animals were mindlessly living on their own. Going back, we are capable of morality, theory and science, rationality, mind, reason, to love in every possible way (mind, heart and soul). We can't see any other animal capable of doing these... Now does that mean they are not special? No way! By no means. They are wonderful creatures created for the glory of God. 😊

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Do you assert this 'God' created all animals and is both omnipotent and omni-benevolent?

[@sidwhiting665]

@@Theo_Skeptomai , Christians believe that God is omnipotent and has our best interests at heart always.

[@antoniopratt1893]

I believe that animals do have a soul but not a spirit. The animal's soul is basically their consciousness just like us.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@sidwhiting665 I am aware of what Chistians believe. I was a "born-again" evangelical Christian myself for many years. I am asking if you ASSERT that the god is both omnipotent and omni-benevolent. It us a straightforward question.

[@dperkins01]

This man is a mixed bag of assertions and purposely misunderstandings from what I see. How does he know what this god means or what he is thinking?