Bill Maher and John Cryer debate transgenderism in America

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[@habakkuk2four]

This one was too painful to watch.

[@swiitchy511]

Pssh

[@craftyirish1]

In what way? :D lol I find john cryer is incredibly off putting.. XD

[@DiscGolfandOATmeal]

In what way? I found Bill playing a victim because he has view points that are pretty ignorant. I find people who get upset about having their opinions questioned off putting.

[@dansimmons5382]

Very painful...almost made me feel violent.

[@swiitchy511]

@dansimmons5382 what was so painful?

[@ALightOn]

Leave the kids alone.

[@monotech20.14]

What was he wrong about ?

[@Simon-talks]

Greewwwmer

[@WaltT-q4n]

​@@monotech20.14 Seriously? Cryer was wrong about everything.

[@benlee3071]

Trans and gay people aren’t a threat to children so in what context are you saying leave the kid alone ? Gay people aren’t just hanging around with random kids on the streets ?

[@benlee3071]

or do you mean transphobes and homophobes should leave gay and trans kids alone ?

[@Simon-talks]

This guy makes Charlie Sheen seem sane.

[@emilyosler6664]

😂😂😂😂

[@chrisolivo6591]

Jon Cryer should say about this segment, “Losing!”

[@332ARA]

@@chrisolivo6591 "Wussy Blood"

[@zx7-rr486]

😂😂

[@Mike_G737]

Shit he makes Charles Manson seem sane.

[@murch2889]

Is “I think children should be allowed to go through puberty” a controversial statement these days?

[@williambartholmey5946]

No one's forcing children to not go through puberty.

[@win3918]

@@williambartholmey5946sick parents are for sure. Many on the left are allowing children, who don’t even know what puberty is, to take drugs that prevent them from ever going through puberty.

[@HooliganLA]

@@williambartholmey5946 no one?

[@bassage13]

​@@williambartholmey5946 Bullshit. Many lunatic parents are.

[@DisposableSupervillainHenchman]

@@williambartholmey5946 There are activists that openly state that it’s wrong to have children who think they are trans to go through puberty. All for the sake of reinforcing a delusion. Preventing or delaying puberty is incredibly harmful.

[@JSigmaBeta]

Who would’ve known John Cryer’s famous simp characterizations would actually be more masculine than the actor himself

[@notsorry3631]

REAL

[@notsorry3631]

Duckie was far more attractive as a person

[@peterkrelove]

@@JSigmaBeta why because he’s defending people who are marginalized? I know so emasculating. Masculinity isn’t about being an asshole and thinking weird people should just go away. Masculinity is about standing up for what you believe in and questioning or fighting for people who don’t have a voice last time I checked.

[@MrPete-pe6uk]

everyone

[@Contractnik]

lmao

[@clayfs17]

John Cryer is so deeply afraid of upsetting people who might hire him that he can’t even accept any nuance to the issue that Maher is presenting.

[@kleeklee4572]

I don’t know man. As a trump hating and woke hating centrist… I think these weird Hollywood liberals believe this shit now. They’ve brain washed themselves and each other cause they literally work and love in their weird bubble. Their ideology is no different from flat earth… their “facts” aren’t facts… yet they push it with so much emotion because they want to “believe”. Weird as fuck right?

[@DiscGolfandOATmeal]

@@clayfs17 Please mention one of his nuances. Bill is more of a conformity guy.

[@orcuttnyc]

Bill is getting closed minded. He complains about what he calls as identity politics, but then spouts off about the 'left', the 'libs', ect.. pigeonholing everyone in boxes to fit his smug narrative. Getting old(his rhetoric).

[@BassSnare]

That’s silly cause it’s literally the opposite.

[@bgheadjack]

Cryer is so far gone from reality, it's kinda frightening...

[@a-aron8223]

Explain. Elaborate your position if you can.

[@WilliamDelorenzo-y9v]

he worried he will never work again if he goes along with bill

[@Derrick-p4r9h]

Is it that voting for a felon and than claiming that the felon is law and order

[@theCommentDevil]

He's spot on actually

[@mattmalcolm534]

@@a-aron8223 He denies the existence of ANY parent who pressures or otherwise influences their young children toward identifying as t r a n s

[@metashadow3924]

I'm only 2 minutes in and I already can't stand this John Cryer guy.

[@MTSickboy]

I don't know why, but I read this comment in a caniadian accent 😂

[@crystalz-h1d]

He is sooooo annoying holy cow!!

[@cleanup8984]

John Cryer really makes me rethink my pro life stance?.I think libs are trying to throw us a bone?.😏

[@Rickyroo1980]

@@MTSickboy Because of South Park buddy 😅

[@rockowilson2320]

He lost me at "Cis".

[@MofoJackson1]

John Cryer is the perfect example of someone who has never been challenged in his opinion and used to people just agree with him

[@gman007-d5x]

Bill Maher is a perfect example of someone who fancies himself a fearless champion of free speech and proceeds to shit all over anyone's opinion that is different than his.Especially on Israel.His mom was Jewish.Bill loves Bibi.Zionists.

[@TannilleBrown]

And unfortunately Maher was too high to push back

[@wraith_heart]

i'm more with Maher..but tbh.... it could be a personal issue to him... someone in his family... shit or even himself... we don't know

[@cameronwitmer]

Yeah bc thats how rational people land on a position. I have people in my family who eat dogshit so that’s why I think it should be celebrated.

[@adammetz7063]

@@TannilleBrown You didn't think he was pushing back at all? I thought he was making it clear that this is insane, but Cryer is just too delusional and brainwashed to it affect his brainwashed mind. lol. I do think Maher could have pushed back *harder*, but what do you expect from a lifelong Democrat like him?

[@MrJamesnriggs]

I can't believe this is even a debate.

[@monotech20.14]

What was he wrong about ?

[@MrJamesnriggs]

@monotech20.14 If you're talking about Jon Cryer, everything.

[@user-iz4xe1ep9h]

It's not.

[@TannilleBrown]

@@monotech20.14The Cass report

[@gnubbiersh647]

@@monotech20.14 saying that boys are allowed to remove their breasts is the same as a young girl doing it is insane

[@JGreen-tb6ke]

You can be passionate without being annoying, dismissive, and sing-songy.

[@trigremlin]

yeah the flamboyance really doesn't help his argument.

[@ChrisAlbertH47]

Bill has always been annoying

[@monotech20.14]

What was he wrong about ?

[@JGreen-tb6ke]

@monotech20.14 i didn't say anyone was wrong.

[@adammetz7063]

@@monotech20.14 You keep asking people this question, so let me answer it for you: EVERYTHING

[@Robert44444444]

I watched the entire clip, and how funny is it that the only compelling moment was the very last comment Bill made, "You keep telling yourself that and you'll lose the next one too" … lol. So true Bill… so true.

[@richarddukard8989]

It’s obvious Bill voted for Trump

[@vforwombat9915]

is it? democrats outperformed/won every single election cycle/special election from 2017 thru 2022. they have a losing streak of ONE and you folks are acting like they're dead forever. i don't blame you. i mean, clearly you're not a person who actually thinks, and i get that. but it does make ya look kinda stupid rn.

[@Fryulikebacon]

If that’s what motivated people to vote for Trump, their priorities are more out of wack than I imagined.

[@MrMozoM]

When the USA stopped trying to correct left handism, there wasn't 3000% more left handed people in San Francisco than in New Orleans tho

[@Dapryor]

Great point.

[@peterkrelove]

If it’s less accepted in New Orleans than SF it would.

[@jettslappy7028]

Whichever zip codes kept the old stigma had less left handers, as expected. Dumb

[@lisad4013]

It also wouldn’t sterilize kids if they wanted to live left-handed

[@anthonyesposito7]

​@@peterkrelovethis

[@Highball1417]

This dude is a walking example of why people should vote conservative

[@freethoughts2898]

I'm a conservative. I agree with you, and I don't necessarily agree with Mr. Cryer. However, he does bring up some good points. I didn't know that about gynecomastia surgery.

[@beezelbuzzel]

No more so than a dude who believes in no abortions in the case of insest, are walking examples of why people should vote liberal. There are nut jobs on both ends of the spectrum.

[@Akkbar21]

@@freethoughts2898anyone who voted for trump isn’t really a worthwhile contributor to a conversation.

[@IbnRushd-mv3fp]

Conservatives are surprisingly pro gay though, which is why I don't like'em..

[@steelyspielbergo]

why?

[@lucasglowacki4683]

And if calling someone a bigot doesn’t hurt them than neither does misgendering🤷🏻‍♂️

[@DidacticEditions]

As far as I'm concerned misgendering is when older people on the bus mistook a heavy metaller for a girl in the 80's

[@scary.body.horror]

Great point

[@RealestKinga]

If someones being a bigot, that is a valid designation. If someone is a woman, why would you puprosefully call them a man? Any woman cis or not would be quite annoyed dont you think?

[@ابراهيم_محمد_الازهر]

Damn its pretty crazy when bill maher is the voice of reason

[@RicArmstrong]

It's rare, but does happen. 😅

[@santialtamirano8621]

Trying to defend the indefensible is so painfully stupid

[@gauravdas3315]

Schools are meant for education and critical thinking. Leave the kids alone.

[@vforwombat9915]

ikr? let kids transition if they want to. glad we are on the same page!

[@BassSnare]

Meaning what? Be specific.

[@dirkbag22]

@@BassSnare Leaving kids alone. Is that so hard to grasp? Durrrrhh.

[@BassSnare]

@@dirkbag22 or maybe we don’t leave kids alone and we teach them inclusion and anti bullying. We teach them families look different and that’s ok.

[@dirkbag22]

@@BassSnare you teach that decrepit perversion at home if you must - we can't stop you, but it sure as F* doesn't belong in the classroom. Your perversion of the American family has led to murders and suicides. You must be so proud.

[@conservativeimmigrantUSA]

Why are we talking about kids having sex change surgeries..?! This is so wild to me still…

[@jamaaldaynitelong8367]

This is payback for all the wedgies, nerd jokes, and beat downs😂😂 Revenge of the Nerds is real.

[@mikee6663]

Because Americans are obsessed with kids that aren't theirs.

[@MIForrestguy]

It affects so few people why is anyone talking about it?

[@brandoncinpubadj]

Especially if you really objectively look at what they are doing. It is almost like a horror movie. Remove something, put a wound that is trying to heal there, and keep using it for "sexual pleasure." Or...taking pieces of there thigh/leg and shaping it into something is nothing like that they think it is and using it on the aforementioned wound even (possibly). I love everyone, but objectively, this is not something I can get behind.

[@user-nc9pc3gr4c]

Because we have a sick society

[@Bovinepug]

As a Swede, I can tell you, that doctors in Sweden are abandoning hormone blockers and sex change protocols more and more (some big hospitals have stopped fully) as it´s been shown to disturb genital development leading to many complications, from sex, pain, to urinal problem, like incontinence, but also increased risk of Cancer & stroke in young people, together with not showing any improvement in their mental well-being.

[@RealestKinga]

Lets see a source.

[@Juanofthedead76]

Young people, does he mean children?

[@arwenstrong2818]

YES. The lowest age in the studies is SEVEN. Kids get puberty blockers as young as 10, hormones by 11, mastectomies by 12 or 13.

[@erey214]

Idk

[@Awzemp17]

Why is John cryer so obsessed with transitioning kids? So creepy

[@torin_hotsauce]

Speaking as a trans adult… I am 100% with Bill on this.

[@RoundingThird]

As an internet user I am 80% sure you are not trans at all.

[@crystalz-h1d]

There are trans people with common sense. Some even have great youtube channels, I'm subbed to 3 of them.

[@FreeOwen-h3t]

@@RoundingThird Obviously, you only watch content that aligns with your beliefs if you haven't seen transgenders on YT who agree with Bill.

[@genderlessyoutubefanperson]

Nah, you are not. Stop trolling Boris. Take your rubles and be gone.

[@peoplearecrazy1798]

Thank you!

[@Phil-ey6yh]

Of course Cryer refuses to believe that any child could be wrong or faking things to fit in.... because they NEVER do that. He's so entirely full of shit and confirmation biased. Yeah, there are people across the spectrum of preferences and drives, but he only believes anything that supports his narrative. He speaks with this air of great knowledge I'm the subject of everything trans, yet a soon as someone asks him anything or tries to pin one of his statements to him, he comes in with "well I dont know" or "YOU said that". He's just full of shit.

[@dearymcleary]

I think most people don't care how you dress or who you have sex with. Just leave the kids alone. This isn't what Roger Waters had in mind....

[@Fryulikebacon]

Odd sentiment, where was all this concern for kids when priests were molesting them on a daily basis. I noticed conservatives go out of their way to avoid that topic.

[@Jasminestealth1]

no one cares - but now law against sports

[@dav6068]

When the whole "tiger blood" Charlie Sheen episode happened, I felt bad for Jon having to put up with Charlie's bullying. I don't now.

[@AlanSmithee5150]

What was he wrong about?

[@strangevisions5162]

@@AlanSmithee5150 why do you need other people to tell you how to think. make up your own mind.

[@notsorry3631]

I feel sorry for Charlie 😂😂😂

[@mrchopsticks3]

@@AlanSmithee5150 Comparing left-handedness to gender dysmorphia is wrong.

[@TheRGFam]

I'd love to see this guy up against Ben Shapiro

[@iconicvader]

Two and a half brain cells.

[@JohnHerzfeld-on3og]

I had this debate with a coworker once and asked why the numbers were so much greater in places like LA than entire states like South Dakota and his only response was, "That's not true"

[@anthonyesposito7]

@JohnHerzfeld-on3og because it's more accepted in those places, in the more conservative places , it's not as accepted so you don't hear about it as much. Simple answer.

[@ADot-fi1ny]

The same reason there are more gay people in France compared to Iran.

[@ubuu7]

Was this a serious question or is someone legit brain dead? South Dakota has a population of around 900k people. The city of Los Angeles is around 4 million people. The country of Los Angeles around 9-10 million. Even if the rate of trans people was the same you ought to expect 4-10 times more people. And if there was a higher rate I suspect part of that could just be less stigma in a more liberal area. There are obvious answers and pretending there are none is bottom tier intellect from a shallow mind.

[@billythedog763]

are they? u dont think it would have anything to do with states like South Dakota being very conservative and unaccepting of it and trans people leaving those places for more accepting communities and states where they can live with more of a normal life where they are accepted with dignity and better health care options. Not to mention people in those state are more likely to be closeted.

[@paulhuang2030]

First of all LA has almost 4x the population of the entirety of South Dakota. Secondly if I were LGBTQ first thing I'd do would be to get the hell out of South Dakota lol. Just sayin'.

[@BarryBernau]

I bet you Bill misses George Carlin more than ever.

[@S4MW45AE]

John Cryer is preparing himself for a Dumb & Dumber 3 audition and he is deep into character. What a great professional

[@adammetz7063]

Method acting at its finest!! 🤣

[@kristenkidd3982]

😂

[@PRESTIGEWORLDWIDE94]

The way Jon Cryer literally malfunctions when Bill brings up valid points is such a representation of why Hollywood is so despised, and why California has dropped off so significantly in recent times.

[@pauleriknielsen]

This is one episode I will not watch, Cryer is way too annoying.

[@jaydee9086]

He looks trans.

[@darindunn]

I love Bill exposing Jon for not having any trans friends, as he claimed. 😂

[@mert828]

So? I'll be his friend. At least he's not excusing his bigotry by claiming he has trans friends. He's very well-informed.

[@Fryulikebacon]

Did he now?

[@darindunn]

@@Fryulikebacon yeah

[@Bryanpeacock33]

Bunch of millionaires and billionaires telling us what we should be mad about lol the rich people at the top don't represent us at the bottom

[@arwenstrong2818]

The rich people are pushing this because it's extremely lucrative.

[@firstlast8258]

Money is at the job if you are able bodied

[@KarstenHuehn]

These are Hollywood elites in example … “I’ll support the popular views, but I don’t know … but no maybes, it’s definitely this.” 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@huntergolson5932]

Charlie Sheen made this guys whole adult career

[@jefflebowski3578]

Cryer’s been around since the 80s.

[@Professorrob2k24]

Never thought I would agree Bill Maher😂

[@Dogmeat47]

I would pay all the money I have to see a conversation between John Cryer and Matt Walsh. Holy F***, John.

[@funandgames4645]

So you wanna see two stupid people argue?

[@brianp6131]

I feel bad for Charlie Sheen having to work with John Cryer for years...

[@wraith_heart]

my issue is... the majority who do go through with HRT and the alike.. don't have gender dysphobia...

[@alanadaley5768]

It’s dysphoria, and why do you care so much what other people do medically?

[@ubuu7]

If that was the bulk of the opposition I don't have any issue with it, but a lot of the anti trans stuff is not merely that. It's heavily mixed in with notions of how people ought to be. My position is if people have gender dysphoria and it's causing suicidal thoughts and tendencies and transitioning alleviates or degrades that it's preferably to them killing themselves. Maybe the conservative position is better they die by their own hand than affirm an "abomination" or deviant existence or lifestyle. On the flip side, I think we need to be careful with irreversible treatments in case people are making a mistake or not completely sure about themselves. I would not completely remove the options for things like hormone therapy for kids or even surgery in extreme cases, but there needs to be much higher bars to trigger such things, and an extremely high bar for surgery. But people bring up children as a shield to promote their own values about how people ought to BE and behave.

[@vforwombat9915]

the majority? can you cite a peer reviewed study for me or is that just more bigoted propaganda? last i heard, 90% of ppl who transition stay transiitoned. it might be higher, might be more like 95%. that;s from actual studies done in peer reviewed journals. now, i'm not the best at math, but 10% does not sound like the majority to me.

[@powertothepod]

and what data do you have of this statement? Because in 2019 studies found that about 150 surgeries happened for minors and 97% of those surgeries where for males with gynecomastia. This takes months sometimes a year of therapy before surgery ever happens. And the cost can be 4k to 15k so..... lets not pretend every kid under the sun can just go to walmart and get surgery during lunch time

[@quarryproc]

​@@powertothepodyou are wrong. I know many examples of people who didn't go to therapy and got these procedures

[@cathrynevans5196]

Your guest seems a little bit ignorant…

[@reegez7688]

That is an understatement comparable to “Germany’s invasion of Russia did not go as planned.”

[@evanmichael3387]

John Cryer is clearly operating on ideology, not information. He thinks he's not, though.

[@Akkbar21]

As if you know enough to make this judgement.

[@Bradysluckyunderpants]

​@Akkbar21 he clearly knows nothing about the dutch protocol or the cass report

[@Bradysluckyunderpants]

​@@Akkbar21jon knows nothing about the cass report or the dutch protocol

[@IbnRushd-mv3fp]

The thing I find wrong with the conservative position is that you're blatantly attacking the trans people themselves instead of the industry AROUND THEM creating manufactured dysphoria...

[@Simon-talks]

Yeah he’s a full loooon

[@cp37373]

John Cryer embarrassed himself here. And he should feel embarrassed after all the stupid things he just said.

[@ed74nagrom60]

What show was he on? 2 1/2 thems

[@scary.body.horror]

LOL

[@Bustapolio]

Just remember, the lady that ran Disney had 2 kids identify on the + specrum, the odds of which occurring naturally are in the millions to one odds.

[@gurnblanston9757]

It appears that John Cryer has put about 8 seconds of thought into this.

[@blaketindle4703]

8 more seconds of thought than Nancy Mace put into the bathroom issue.

[@monotech20.14]

What was he wrong about ?

[@FreeOwen-h3t]

@@monotech20.14 Do you think it was okay for Cryer to say that teen males who have surgery for the physical condition of gynecomastia have gender identity issues?

[@HangarFry]

Seems to have put more thought into it then you.

[@FreeOwen-h3t]

@HangarFry Not if Cryer is saying that males who treat their gynecomastia surgically have "gender identity" issues.

[@randyevans4967]

You're comparing denying one's biological gender to left-handedness?

[@theincredibleone]

The bald guy is exactly the person which would turn you in to the gestapo

[@adampetty447]

It's no wonder why Charlie wanted him out of his house

[@DanielPenny-v7s]

Comparing this to left handedness is wild 😂

[@AlanSmithee5150]

What was he wrong about?

[@TheDiveDawg]

@@AlanSmithee5150 Because left handedness have never changed if you discount the years it was stigmatized, In 1800 it was 10% of the population, it is 11% today. It dropped to a low of 3% for a number of years in the late 1800's because it was stigmatized. Where the social contagion of trans is exploding. Southern baptists are in awe of those supporting trans. It's the largest gay conversion therapy ever attempted.

[@boxer12350]

What was he right about?

[@strangevisions5162]

@@AlanSmithee5150 why do you need other people to tell you how to think. make up your own mind.

[@robo5013]

@@AlanSmithee5150 The reason that left handedness was suppressed for so long, and it was only in boys that's why the numbers doubled when it was ended, was because military equipment was designed for right handed people. Before the beginning of the 20th century you couldn't fire a rifle left handed because the flash pan was on the right side. If you fired it left handed the flash would go off in your face and blind you. That is why it has nothing to do with the conversation they were having about sexuality. It is an ignorant comparison.

[@DragonZord979]

6:51 Bill is 100% correct here. I grew up with someone who is exactly like the way Bill is describing

[@peterkrelove]

@@DragonZord979 someone who went through surgeries and sex change in order to be in the hip cool trans club? Good for them! It’s their body isn’t it?

[@Marco-bz1rs]

He lied about having trans friends 🤣

[@Sbj24]

Probably his lovers

[@leedsdrumacademy]

At least this time, I'm with Bill.

[@SteveEricJordan]

this guy is too far gone.

[@Akkbar21]

Says a Trump cultist 😂

[@Msteve-nt5bx]

Jake wasn't the half man

[@CarlMarksmoney]

Killer.

[@HeethenHistory]

Is this not Pete Davidson’s brother? 😂

[@moralesjjvideo]

Bill is correct but seems very unprepared for the conversation

[@vforwombat9915]

actually, he was factually wrong on most things. Cryer was factually correct. you don't agree? then fact check it.

[@rockowilson2320]

He's very clearly under the influence. This show isn't a debate between two sober minds. He still makes far more sense than this Crier guy

[@vforwombat9915]

@ how does he make more sense? Cryer was right about every fact he said. are you saying ignoring the facts makes more sense?

[@rfgator22]

John won. Tolerance and freedom will always win in the end.

[@ParadNorthProd]

John is the exact type of person to debate Bill, who LOVES to make broad generalizations based on anecdotes he "heard" that are devoid of the detailed facts.

[@nfal445]

John doesn't take into context people can be entirely influenced by popular charismatic people and ideas.

[@copargonate]

Why is Bill Maher wasting his time treating an actor like he’s an expert on transgenderism? Cryer spends have his time making false statements and the other half committing logical fallacies on those false premises. It’s like watching a failing high school debate team practice. Martin Sheen plays the President on tv so suddenly everyone is asking him what would he do about the Middle East. He and Cryer are actors and spent all those hours that lawyers spent in law school or doctors in med school reading scripts and pretending in public. They’re good at that. Not at debating the thorniest, most complex controversies of our day. It’s absurd.

[@vforwombat9915]

name a single false statement. everything he said is easily verified. are you gone check to see if he's wrong? no, we both know you will not.

[@robertmarshall2502]

His description of the Cass Review is nothing short of absolute bollocks. He literally invented the context and clearly never read it. He's wildly ignorant and thinks he's well-informed. The Dutch protocol had a death rate pf 1/35. It also had a heterosexual rate of 1/70.

[@trigremlin]

Yep, this is an episode i won't be able to listen to in full.

[@flamechick6]

I can't even finish this clip 😂

[@JackC22234]

I've watched almost every club random but no way on this one

[@adammetz7063]

Why would you deprive yourself of all the wisdom being dispensed by Cryer in the full episode?? 🤣

[@goneloco5793]

This should be argued by intellectuals, not Maher.

[@erinlevere6881]

The conversation seems more like struggling to come to terms and fighting like hell not to understand.

[@brendankennedy7831]

I see why his last name is Cryer......

[@christalmadge8306]

unwatchable

[@MelTaylor]

WTF. What a disturbing discussion

[@chrisolivo6591]

Louis CK used to do a bit called ‘White people problems.’ This segment should be called ‘Liberal White people problems.’

[@monotech20.14]

What was he wrong about ?

[@michellericker8608]

Wow, I thought John Cryer was cool, but he looks ridiculous trying to debate Bill. 😅

[@D-Fens_1632]

Any man who sits like that looks ridiculous.

[@strangevisions5162]

the ridiculous thing is thinking Jon Cryer was ever cool

[@TheChase008]

This was a useless conversation where no one accomplished anything because Bill wouldn''t allow this to evolve into an actual debate.

Its not a debate

[@TheChase008]

It's a clash of opinions which is otherwise known as a debate.

[@nickp4084]

Can't take this guy seriously if he can't admit there is a social contagion aspect to this. I might have an ounce of respect if he just disagreed about the percentage.

[@robo5013]

Yes, young people always want to fit in and be popular. When they see their classmates who are LGBTQ+ getting special treatment by their peers and adults they want in. My god daughter's friend, at 15, announced that she was non-binary and her pronouns were they/them and her new name was Moss. I had a feeling that it was attention seeking behavior (didn't say anything, not my kid, not my place). A few months later I asked my nephew, who was in the same grade and had classes with her, about it and he agreed she did it to try to become popular as she wasn't. When it didn't work she stopped.

[@notsorry3631]

Yep I can't take anyone serious who can't admit to such obvious facts like that because it derails their narrative

[@theCommentDevil]

It's not a social contagion. How many trans kids do you know and how did you come to that conclusion? Or are you just parroting what you hear

[@vforwombat9915]

ikr? let's assume there is a social contagion aspect to an existing condition. the solution is NOT to ban treatment of the existing condition.

[@marcellasmurf]

Thank you John Cryer… I appreciate your service to humanity by speaking up like this.

[@Nathan-May-or-May-Not]

You spelt his name incorrectly. It's "Jon Cryer", or "Jonathan", not John Cryer.

[@Ticklestein]

Dutch person here. We abandoned the “standard” years ago.

[@ClayClaydol]

"Let's not get into the details, let's talk about the facts" -Bill Maher, 2025. Woof, what a terrible look for Maher. It's akin to Trump dismissing Climate Change by saying "The science doesn't know".

[@cleanup8984]

Climate Change?.🤣🤣

[@ASalvaro]

wow he's even more annoying than Alan Harper

[@ramonmoreno8014]

Bill done stumbled into someone who knows the facts. He should just debate this comment area.

[@shermangoering]

let him talk, Bill...you're talking over too much...need to give him more time....but pretty clear your 'interview' is more about you.

[@FreeOwen-h3t]

Absolutely. The first thing that Jon said was that males with gynecomastia who have surgery have gender identity issues. Let him talk, Bill, so he can bury himself.

[@princeali7074]

He lost once he couldn’t name his trans friends lol

[@boomzilla86]

He should've just done the whole interview as his Superman 4 character. I would have taken him just as seriously.

[@FranzSanchez-ky9up]

Ohhhhh Neeeewwww!

[@carrieon1]

I only picture Duckie from Pretty in Pink.

[@Akkbar21]

Right wing social media has just made this the new “f*gs are sinners” target for your ever present bigotry.

[@D-Fens_1632]

Superman 4 was far more entertaining than this podcast, and that's saying something.

[@davibaby89]

This conversation needed a moderator but I’m glad neither of them yelled or got too upset.

[@CaptainTae]

John Cryer is just repeating the same tired memes we’ve heard for a decade.

[@hollandanish5557]

No he really is not. He is actually trying to make a very nuanced issue accessible to Maher. I admire his calm careful discussion but Bill has fallen down the Culture War Rabbit Hole a while ago and he's at the point in life where new information is just annoying.

[@CaptainTae]

@ you got it backwards, dude.

[@johngneda1814]

The ending was the best. " keep telling yourself it was inflation and you'll loose the next one too"- Voters responded to your lunacy!

[@Roughneck8]

Of course they kept him but canned Charlie, awful show anyway.

[@amiyarose9140]

Besides his laugh, what annoyed me the most about Cryer was his unwillingness to even consider the possibility that there are people who say they're trans, yet they actually aren't. Typically, those who fall into this category are teenage girls and autogynephilic men. There may also be gay men whose internalized homophobia is so strong that they feel the only way to be "straight" is to transition. Don't even get me started on the parents who trans their kids for internet clout.

[@alienamnesiac]

So inclusive of Bill to occasionally have an intellectually challenged individual on the show instead of choosing to only speak with smart people.

[@JohnnyJabrone]

"Thats politics, sweet heart" lol love you Bill. Keep being you.

[@theshadowboxer]

Bill when he gets dismissive... "That's politics,sweetheart...". Calling for the deprogrammer. As I was typing this, glad John got to what I was going to say. As for numbers, both right. It does matter but unfortunately we encounter tribalism that doesn't allow research without fear of shit being inflated into culture near gotchas. Humans are pretty amazing and complex. Lets stop being afraid and lets try to do research in good faith.

[@Simon-talks]

lol

[@youtube_username_]

The Cass Report is a thorough report of research in good faith.

[@Skrimpngritz_]

I respect his opinion and he stood his ground even if I disagree

[@Lemorande]

Who cares what a former character actor has to say on this or any important topic? How does saying lines in front of a camera, for a living, qualify someone to speak on important public policy? Did he go back to school and become an expert at some point? If so, I missed that important cultural development.

[@KayKujo4444]

It’s just a conversation, it’s not that deep

[@Derrick-p4r9h]

There’s nothing wrong with being born a way or being different

[@tjbes]

If Bill Maher thinks the election was lost because of the “woke” stuff (whatever that means) then he is even less informed than I thought. Those issues didn’t even register in the top-10 of what mattered to voters. This was lost on the economy, immigration, and Harris’s inability to separate herself from the Biden administration which, for whatever reason, was very unpopular.

[@sonofabitch95]

"for whatever reason" hilarious

[@notsorry3631]

Thats true. Wokeness does factor in but I could deal with woke whatever if I could afford a house.

[@tjbes]

@notsorry3631 yeah, in reality though, woke is such a loaded word. Usually it’s just used to describe someone who wants everyone to have basic human rights. In truth most of the people discussing gender, like Maher, have no knowledge of the science of gender. They are ignorant on the topic with a base level understanding of it and still want to be taken as seriously as those who do know what they’re talking about. I take your point about affording a house, but that has been an issue for years, and was an issue under Trump, especially in the last year and a half of his presidency. To think Trump is going to fix the financial woes of the country is a bit insane.

[@vlastelinprislic286]

There was a lot of resentment towards wokeness because politicians used it as a distraction from actual problems.

[@tjbes]

@ yes but it was actually only one side making these issues huge issues as an attempt to distract. And it wasn’t the Democratic nominee.

[@dvspindler]

These debates are so frustrating. The bottom line is you can't use reason and logic in response to the opposite. It never has worked. It continues to not work. And it never will work.

[@OurQuietDesperation]

Comparing being left handed in the Middle Ages when there was no science to speak of (he said for thousands of years)to life in 2025 is an awful comparison.

[@Akkbar21]

You don’t know what you’re talking about. You’ve prob just overdosed on illiberal right wing populist hate mongering content.

[@mikee6663]

Most humans still believe in God. We aren't as far removed from the Middle Ages as you think we are.

[@Mattened]

@@mikee6663 oh my science

[@IbnRushd-mv3fp]

@mikee6663 OK?, in the middle ages they actually sustained their families & communities while you guys are too busy sustaining the economy of xvdeos...

[@Octavian2]

​@mikee6663 God has been replaced with the idea of 'trusting the science'. The clergy now wear lab coats. The point is while the scientific method is an effective tool, science is always on course correction and funding by governments and money from pharmaceutical companies can create its own issues. Issues which aren't discussed. The epidemic was the canary in the coal mine.

[@jblip1]

So, I wanted to be a dragon when I was a child. If I were Jon's child apparently I could have had implanted wings, a tail, claws, and a blow torch surgically implanted inside me.

[@drakezen]

That's like pulling someone from a remote jungle that has never seen the western world and then discussing physics with him

[@xXXJimboSliceXXx]

Men and women aren't interchangeable. We're not made of legos, sorry.

[@yangeugenendikam1740]

Thank you Bill

[@johnfox901]

The NHS in England recently banned giving sex change medications to children. The medical associations of the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, France and Sweden have recently discouraged giving these medications to children.