The New Avengers vs NINJAS! | New Avengers: Secrets and Lies

[@radicalraddish6292]

"The avengers are like health insurance" Two minutes in and this already had me rolling

[@edmaldonado8207]

Like you Sal, I too am a street level philistine who prefers his Spider-Man's, Daredevil's, and Luke Cage's so this Avengers team is easily my favorite.

[@Logan7281X]

Street level, all day.

[@jdan4752]

Same here. Maybe Marvel can make a New Avengers TV show now that Feige has confirmed Spidey is street level and most of the Defenders actors are coming back. They can call it Defenders if they want just give me Spider-Man, Luke Cage, Daredevil, and Jessica Jones hanging out somewhere and saving New York. Maybe mix Dark Reign and Devil's Reign and have Fisk be the main Antagonist that forces them into hiding.

[@edmaldonado8207]

@@jdan4752 I would LOVE that so much! This would literally be a team of some of my favorite Marvel superheroes.

[@christien455555]

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[@devildham]

Same.

[@Ashguy733]

"The Avengers are like health insurance." Wow Venture Bros certainly went that route in the show with the Crusader Action League.

[@Depthcharge2030]

Ethan’s frustration with excessive “let’s go back” is pretty accurate

[@comixproviderftw_02]

That’s my favorite running gag on this show

[@fritschxf]

Yea but at the same time that’s just a way to tell a story. It’s been used in every medium not just comics for as long as people have been telling stories and will always be used. Funny gag tho

[@TheGreatDevlin]

Sal's performance reviews of the pre-Bendis Avengers and the pre-Morrison Justice League are lovely. I'm just imagining they get their annual appraisals straight from young Sal and Vision gets a reckoning every time.

[@cptanarchy7]

I like how ben came at sal for "yakuzas" vs "yakuza" but then proceeds to pronounce shuriken as "shu-ROO-ken" like 12 times.

[@chubbyakajc]

Like the Japaneseses

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

*Madame Viper opens hatch to escape, Captain America gets ejected* _Captain America was not The Imposter_

[@masterrance]

When getting into comics, New Avengers and Ultimate Spider-Man were my go to. This tradeback was when I realized they were all written by the same person

[@pickedceasar1216]

Bendis truly was a great writer but he's let it go to his head waaay too much. Like obviously he should be proud of everything he's done for the comics industry but he should also be able to humble himself enough not to ruin other people's stories

[@PirateJacques79]

1:40 "I'm sorry, the Avengers are off on a space mission... or something. Please step away from the front gate."

[@jonathanshaw9704]

11:38- Agents of SHIELD is in syndication. Not only did it pass 100 episodes, it earned 2 extra seasons, and it was pretty sweet. The fan-base is small, but extremely active.

[@vicentegeonix]

Without being biased... Is It even a good show or people over react with the show.

[@thepokekid01]

@@vicentegeonix It basically gets better every season (I'd say it's comparable to most marvel TV shows, but the first season definitely is the worst, and it does get better and more comic booky every season). I feel like Marvel fans that didn't watch it are missing out.

[@TickleMyNonos]

I tried that show and just can't do it

[@TickleMyNonos]

​@@vicentegeoniximo the show sucks, like it's good if you don't know or care about the characters but it's basically shield dealing with D listers or Knock Off Ghost Rider. If you have to question if it's cannon it's usually not well done

[@ryanmiller6103]

The saga of Mike Murdock deserves a short!

[@creed8712]

I hope getting closer to Wakanda Forever you guys cover Namor The Depths. I think it’s a really interesting story and portrays Namor in a way never seen since Also that thing about realizing the contributions but still not caring is how I felt after watching 2001 a space odyssey.

[@YouCalledForTheDoc]

I could see that or Doomwar getting picked (Has both Shuri and Namor)

[@Ashguy733]

Id love if they did Zdarsky' "Invaders" run or Byrne's Namor run.

[@g.a.2997]

He could also cover Chip Zdarsky's Invaders story. I love that story about namor and his mentality.

[@RomanReigns-AcknowledgeMe]

Lmfaooo when Ben said “fool on me” and Sal with “The Foot” 😂😂😂

[@adamquenano8563]

I remember back in the day When this comic came out with Ronin was on the cover,everyone thought it was Daredevil in disguise.

[@Omar-wq9dz]

Brian Michael Bendis always tells this really great story about how he ended up writing Avengers, saying him and Mark Millar talked about how to fix the series and 1 of them would end up writing it

[@enrajbroin]

Millar always tells the story of how Avengers was doing really badly before he did Ultimates. Funnily enough, Avengers was one of the top selling titles of Marvel ar the time, and the reason Ultimates was not called Ultimate Avengers was that Kurt Busiek had told Marvel he'd stop writing Avengers if they made an Ultimate Avengers series, as the Ultimate Universe's conceit was that it was 'the modern thing' compared to the out of touch 616 universe. He ended up leaving the title over Ultimates anyway, because it was obviously just ultimate avengers. (There were a few writers between this and New Avengers on the main avengers title)

[@zero_gateway6810]

that "Fuckin' Bendis" at 35:34 is just a perfect encapsulation of my feelings when it came to this period in Marvel. Thank you Ethan :D

[@Sun_worshipping]

Perfect timing just got done reading Bendis from Avengers dissemble to Siege. With New Avengers in between.

[@diegoortiz5139]

I'm really happy that New Avengers is getting covered here on Back Issues. I was a kid when it was coming out and remember heading into the comic book store and seeing the cool art on these and the interesting team, i didn't know English so this also helped out a bit to learn to read the language.

[@Martin_TheCollector]

The New Avengers featured some of my top favorite characters, except for Sentry. Would've been real awesome to see Daredevil and Moon Knight in the team. I'm surprised Bendis didn't invent/force many new characters during his entire Avengers run. That became far too common eventually (and unfortunately).

[@joshuaharrison1633]

You don’t like sentry?

[@BoyNamedSue4]

The run was cut short thanks to Civil War. Never was the same after that. Whole goal of the book was different afterwards

[@capsjukebox]

Not just jackets, Sal. Jackets with pushed up sleeves. So you know Black Knight means business.

[@Nathan2fun]

I would love to see Vision on hold trying to call the IRS 😂

[@Grievousish]

Hawkeye is the one Avenger that can get away with being a total weeb and everyone just rolled with it.

[@valiantshadow89]

The twin brother thing actually happened first in the initial 25-issue run of Daredevil, way back in the day. People were getting suspicious of his identity, so he created the Mike identity to openly be Daredevil instead of him. It was a weird time. When Matt was armored costume Daredevil, if I remember right, he was a street hustler named Jack Batlin, which is a name he based off of his dad‘s old boxing career. Daredevil is never not weird. So maybe I’m the one getting some of my continuity mixed up! I haven’t read those issues in decades. But geez, Matt, you and your identity crisis!

[@bensneb360]

53:27 a superheroin gets her powers a way of “super powered boob job”… it’s so insane it just might work LOL

[@Skyhunter826]

Gotta love the bit at the end "you want some help? Yea? Well fuck you " haha

[@tompantaleo9441]

I remember when Thor became unworthy to lift Mjolnir, and Marvel released an image of Jane Foster as The Mighty Thor. I kind of recall them swearing up and down that it wasn't Jane Foster.

[@Jstashado82]

Lmao, I literally just rewatched the first new avengers video an hour ago. Love you guys' coverage of these stories!

[@xJasonHatx]

Went to an mc chris show back in the day. and he was explaining the whole jessica drew scrull situation between songs in such a funny way it got me back into comics.

[@Three_Tiny_Robots]

I was a HUGE fan of Kurt Busiek's run on Avengers, so I really hated Disassembled. It felt really disrespectful to Busiek's work after he salvaged the team from the debacle of Heroes Reborn and the decade of irrelevance that lead up to it.

[@zionharris9432]

This was my most anticipated episode of back issues, I thought new avengers wasn't coming back but these are my fav

[@linknlog]

I’m almost certainly an outlier, but I just could never get into Avengers when Bendis was writing them. I loved the Busiek run, but the Bendis run did nothing for me. I bailed on all of the Avengers books until Hickman took over.

[@jimwojton7369]

Same here.

[@gartrellwhite7504]

Same. I was definitely not feeling Geoff John's run following Busiek's (but he did have some good moments like Falcon taking down the Red Skull). And then Avengers Disassembled hit. I felt that Bendis got everyone wrong; heck, did Cap even say anything during the Avengers piece of Disassembled!?! But my life didn't end because I stopped reading Avengers books until Hickman's run and Comic Pop provided plenty of great laughs from their Bendis lookback. And Sal has great perspective on the significance of Bendis's time with Marvel. Thanks!

[@MrFtpforlife]

Same here I hated Brndis run

[@randyping6036]

Spiderman: You didn't bring the X-Men, did you? Luke Cage: No Spiderman: NUTS!

[@1337snake888]

Yay been waiting for a while for new new avengers

[@danielavvollanum1917]

12:09 Sal channeling a bit of Chris Walken there?

[@afternoonmirage]

Thanks!

[@comicpop]

Anytime!

[@mistahappyspaz5325]

9:30 that’s where that design is from!!! I remember seeing it in the web of shadows video game when I was like 4 and thinking it kinda cool lol.

[@codystork3008]

The fact that Bendis can pull an intresting character who gets their own tv show out of a last second plot change, makes the existence of Rogul Zar all the more disappointing.

[@joeclarke7982]

Everything about Rogul Zar is disappointing

[@EricMinimus]

I love the start of this run, but never got around to reading all of it. Would definitely watch more videos on this run.

[@joshheralal8758]

I never liked Bendis' decision to turn Hawkeye into Ronin but I'll always love New Avengers for giving me a team of street-level heroes.

[@pillsburydoughbane2618]

This was supwr fascinating! Would love a follow up episode.

[@mr.no-to-body8121]

Can't wait for the devil's reign back issues when sal explains what's been happening with mike murdock.

[@benjaminloudly]

The early 90s Avengers were like recruiters for one of those scam for-profit schools. The jackets and merch made them look like they were legit but one close look and you knew there was no substance there.

[@PhoenixEnforcer101]

That Healthcare bit could be a short by itself

[@ScronnyJohnny31]

Instant classic episode, well done folks

[@lilbill15]

This was the first comic I ever bought for myself had literally no context and no idea who most of the new ones were but it’s nice seeing the story told by yall

[@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038]

It'll be fun to see how a New Avengers would look today.

[@Jaimethepanda]

Cap: “Matt, is that you?” Ronin: “No, it’s not me!”

[@markhalm9889]

USAvengers was great, it was an Al Ewing book, the guy who wrote Immortal Hulk, and I was that street level Avengers book Sal wanted in places. The only thing is that they kept renaming the book so the first volume was like Captain America and the Mighty Avengers and just read from that going forward.

[@scoobers90]

The most ridiculous thing in this book is that Cap of all people wasn’t wearing his seat belt!

[@TimedRevolver]

This whole thing sounds like it was nothing but a constant stream of Bendis running from one book to another chanting "Shit shit shit shit!"

[@CAPappy]

A back issues on my 21st birthday, the perfect gift for today.

[@kevinlevin9651]

I remember a silver samurai in the 2nd volume of mighty thor when all the midgard villains are sitting in a round table talking and dauterman Wilson draws the ffff out of them

[@Sicod79]

Wolverine joined the New Avengers for the beer selection at the mansion. That tracks.

[@josephjanisch5396]

I love the triple odd couple set up of cap, wolverine, and Spider-Man

[@Ducaso]

What a wild story and a wild time for the Avengers.

[@joshuastevens2957]

Binging the New Avengers episodes with my trade paper backs 📚 and finally Vol. 3. 🥳 Thank you Comic Pop!

[@matt15]

HELL YEAH I’ve been waiting for the next new avengers

[@lindarozalinda7177]

I liked Luke and Spider-man's friendship,it is sad that everyone in marvel just forget about it after Bendis run

[@panduh_go_crazy-.-9957]

Every time you talk about new avengers I wanna pick up the trade

[@angrydeion]

Keep giving us more new avengers. But also I would love to see u guys do the dark avengers as well

[@neverknew07]

I love the energy here !

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

New Avengers and Justice League International are the best of the best. Street level for the win

[@peterzeppeli2563]

I love that they always call back to "NFL Super Pro"

[@kevinlevin9651]

For cap not trusting wolvie he goes to Moonknight for secret mission team

[@flywheelshyster]

LIES AND DECEIT! Idk that's from something and the title made me think of it. Never gonna stop saying it, best show on all the tubes!

[@maxwellrauchut7926]

Cranking up at the mini Daredevil annual Back Issues

[@vincesantistevan6244]

The sentry tower or whatever it’s properly called always reminds me of Spider-Man web of shadows

[@Hapokas112]

Nice episode.👍🏻

[@seankensing]

“I’m leader of the team, I’ll call her! YOU DONT CALL HER I CALL HER!!!” 🤣🤣🤣 Top tier Ethan moment.

[@adambuckley2270]

Big ups to the colors palette this episode. Pretty refreshing and visually interesting.

[@davidr6563]

They’re like health insurance. Lol.

[@russellsimmons6671]

Another great episode guys!

[@TheNickcone]

I would say the peak of the Avengers was the 70s with Shooter and Englehart, but one mustn't forget Thomas's run which is also excellent. It just depends if you enjoy the older styling and dialogue. New Avengers and Busieks Avengers was my introduction to the team so I got a taste of the new and the heritage of the team. I wish Bendis was still good this run was pretty fun although it really drags after the Civil war tie in it picks back up with Siege the relaunch never hit the same heights. Having said that coming back to the run after finding some used trades it feels like Bendis brought elements of the Ultimate universe to make 616 edgier, still a fun run that could have used some more cohesion. At the end of the day it made the team and universe feel fresh and that's a big accomplishment .

[@JoshMunroe]

Explaining the experience of coming to a pop culture franchise long after it entered the cultural zeitgeist is kind of the experience that Back Issues brings to many of its fans...

[@tristanmaldonado670]

YES!!!, Its the return of the New Avengers on Back Issues. Also, I wonder if we'll get to see the Mighty Avengers on back issues that was set after Civil War Mike Murdock: "I wanna be a real boy"

[@JaredRmz]

53:59 Ethan channels his inner Phil Swift

[@deonjames1041]

Sal’s voice when he becomes irate 😂

[@mannyblight6140]

Yes I’ve waited so long for this!!!

[@BigTgeekandgaming1997]

I would love to see you cover new avengers I read this as a kid and I loved it it made me like avengers and earth 616 just as much as the ultimate universe

[@jonclark1405]

"I recognize their contribution, but I'm not wrong" is such a banger line

[@sethbennedetti753]

Yes thank you! More Bendiss new Avengers please!!

[@KenByrneNL]

I missed this story - sounds really fun

[@mttylerdurden9]

Next avengers team Spider-Man is on, I think he should be the leader.

[@TheVegeta67]

27:47 You know what, Wonder Man's right. The New Avengers weren't a family if they pull this shit on the on disabled member of the team.

[@Ka_Five]

Finally more New Avengers!!

[@loyaltabk]

LOVE new avengers episodes

[@kiptelgat]

1:20:24 is this what inspired the joke in invincible

[@angrydeion]

U guys are great. Dont stop please

[@kevinkruger1686]

It just struck me that you like the street level Avengers & not the classic one , but you like the classic JLA & not the street level one.

[@thetruebeliever6541]

I’m glad you guys are cool about Avengers Books

[@mr.micromaster4635]

Good news is Aaron’s Avengers is wrapping up starting in November.

[@faherty87]

Just rereading New Avengers and F'in loving it.

[@nicksmyth4050]

Isn’t Madame Viper supposed to be the mother of Spider-Woman in some comics?

[@jdan4752]

Yes! New Avengers!

[@Odyssey1997]

I like to thank you guys for doing this episode of the New Avengers is actually a awesome series that I actually picked up and actually love because of you guys. When will do the Beta Ray Bill mini series 2021?

[@acegod8122]

Nice Batman shirt sal! I have the exact same one lol

[@Spiderkeyblader]

This was a great episode, but I ask out a curiosity are you guys going to ever do the two issues El Muerto appeared in since they’re making a movie about him

[@edwin831]

YAYYYYYYY NEW AVENGERS IS BACK BABY!

[@loganthomas2421]

Yes! New avengers is back!