The BIGGEST Wonder Woman event! | War of the Gods

[@comicpop]

Buy the War of the Gods omni right here! amzn.to/3uAdS8p

[@captaincomics3626]

Thank you for bringing this story to my knowledge 🙏 😊

[@grkpektis]

Do you have a link to the WW volumes she mentioned

[@Grievousish]

Whenever Sal or Tiff start an episode with a deep breath and then "alright" or "okay", you know we're in for a doozy of a book

[@ItsYaBoiPhoenix]

Hell yeah we are, ain’t it great🤣

[@kellenandelizabethjohnson6513]

This is such a ComicPop trope, I love it.

[@AtomikaBlerd]

Sal: George Perez loves Wonder Woman so much, he did an event that we will never cover on this show. Tiffany: So, I took this as a challenge…

[@bensneb360]

You know it’s a complicated book when Sal has to bring in Tiffany, the queen of explaining, to explain a book… and even she finds it hard lol

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

*Red Ghost shows up to Tiffany’s psyche with chocolates and flowers* *opens door and sees Pariah is the new character she despises the most, living there, rent-free* *Red Ghost drops flowers and chocolates onto floor:* “I thought what we had was speciaaaaaaaaal!”

[@BigDjable]

Why do you like all the things I like?

[@PairaDemons]

I adore Tiff episodes because it’s almost like a history lesson through the lens of the creators.

[@dremity9494]

I love when Sal and Tiffany go in depth about the background to these stories, theyre the best episodes of back issues by far imo

[@vaggelisbaousis1756]

Based on how much Sal has hyped this event as "incomprehensible" this will be great!

[@Sicod79]

Clearly, Tiffany's ideal DC and Marvel Crossover is Pariah vs. Red Ghost

[@angel7661]

@@armintamzarian8222 spiderman symbiote first appearance

[@Mysmarttelevision1989]

Imagine the two combined in a future Amalgam story.

[@Martin_TheCollector]

I'm not surprised legends like Perez got screwed over one way or another. Nick Spencer and Hickman could've written some amazing stories but the folks in charge ended up ruining things. How unfortunate that social media has been part of the major problem too.

[@TheGreatDevlin]

You just made me want a Hickman Wonder Woman series. Another reminder that we don't live in the best possible timeline.

[@loganthomas2421]

Like Sal said a while back in the One More Day backissues, there’s no higher power in comics than editorial

[@Martin_TheCollector]

@@TheGreatDevlin What a true shame Hickman hasn't joined DC for a few books. I bet he'd write some interesting Justice League or JSA stuff.

[@milesfantasy14]

this was amazing to watch. i love history backgrounds like this. its always interesting hearing what happened during the making of books.

[@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038]

As a creative the story of George Perez is far too relatable. My heart breaks. When you get no support from management but they also want to ape off success. Like he just wanted to create something nice. Sigh

[@undead923]

Fun Fact: It happened to him AGAIN when he started the New 52 Superman title, leaving after the first storyline because editorial didn’t tell him what was in canon or not, as well as Action Comics being the prequel series for the title and him having to line up with that and WOW DC can be an insane mess.

[@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038]

@@undead923 God dammit!

[@HollowGolem]

Alright, time to put on the "studied Classics in depth" hat for an informative comment for those curious, regarding the "Roman/Greek versions of gods." The Roman gods, (planet-names like Mars, Mercury, etc.) were originally seperate gods from the Greek gods. Early Roman sources have different myths about them (for instance, Mars was the son of JUST Juno, rather than Ares, who was the son of Zeus and Hera). But most cultures at the time were syncretistic (that is, they fused cultural and religious practices), so the Romans essentially identified their gods with the stories of similar-enough Greek gods. Some Roman gods didn't have a Greek counterpart (like Ianus and Terminus), and likewise, some Greek gods didn't have a Roman counterpart (like Apollo). You'll actually see the Romans do this as they spread through Celtic territory, fusing gods like Minerva with Sulis, a British goddess of healing and wisdom, or fusing Mars with Ocelus, a Celtic god of protection. So while, eventually, it became "Mars = Ares," that was certainly not how things were when the Romans and Greeks (specifically the ones who had colonized southern Italy) made contact. They had seperate-but-similar-enough pantheons that they worshipped and eventually matched equivalents up. As for the Hercules/Hippolyta thing, it's worth noting that their history is a reference to the mythological labors of Herakles, one of which was to steal Hippolyta's girdle. Antiope also factors into that myth, since Theseus was with Herakles and he kidnapped Antiope while they were on Themiscyra. 34:00 In case anyone's curious, the mythological sons of Vulcan were Philammon, Cecrops, Cacus, Erichthonius, Corynetes, Cercyon, Philottus, and Spinther 38:30 A reference to the Odyssey in which Circe turns Odysseus' men into pigs.

[@andrewpragasam]

Wow, this episode of Back Issues had everything. It was hilarious, insightful and ultimately told a tragic behind the scenes story. Poor George Perez. All he ever wanted was to do right by a great character, Wonder Woman. Great episode and great work, Tiffany.

[@mason4401]

I feel sad for the author and that he was screwed over on his big finally he wanted to do. Still a fun episode to watch.

[@flexorlamonticus]

I love your description of Pariah. "He shows up and cries." Ha ha!! Middle school me thought he was cool because when he showed up, you automatically felt more intense about the bad stuff that was about to happen. It felt so epic. But adult me kind of finds him boring.

[@trevorghalt1881]

40:58 Reed Richards: Dang, that's cold

[@YaBoiChipsAhoy]

Another installment of "Comics'll break you're heart kid"

[@priceyyeti4058]

Was expecting Jeff Lemire's Moon Knight as a tie-in, but I'll gladly take on another George Perez book.

[@cwash7708]

It'll be probably be next week.

[@Sicod79]

The real War of the Gods, was between Sal and Tiffany and whether she would do the review/recap.

[@MrZsasz25]

So, I believe they have done all 80s and 90s events of DC except for Eclipso, Genesis, One Million and Day of Judgment (they have done: Crisis, Legends, Millenium, Invasion, War of the Gods, Armageddon 2001, Bloodlines, Zero hours, Underworld Unleashed and Final Night).

[@mutalemwananshiku4098]

Tiffany always wears really great hats.

[@TheRealZubes]

It's really just one good hat. I cannot find another hat that I like as much as this one!!

[@thats_not_glue]

@@TheRealZubes you really do have the best fits on the couch tho

[@christopherpdearing]

As a kid, I remember seeing Armageddon 2001 annuals everywhere; but I could never find War of the Gods #2. It definitely wasn't their highest priority.

[@JLD22591]

Great episode! Enjoyed the history of the book and George Perez deserves a medal for even getting it out with all that stuff going on. I really wish we were able to see his original vision for the story, because it sounds like there was something there it just got muddled in all the craziness.

[@melasnexperience]

Funny that this is so connected to/screwed by Armageddon 2001, since both Waverider & Pariah have the same "I just really, really, REALLY hate my family" backstory.

[@Omar-wq9dz]

I was expecting a Back Issues on Moon Knight, but I'm not complaining, since George Perez's Wonder Woman is not something to ignore

[@ShusukeAmagaiBakoto]

“I’m not into swans and I’m married”. Like express non consent ever stoped Zeus

[@sephirothii13]

I have a few friends that actually worship the greek gods now. I have always loved Wonder Woman, her creation and myth is one of the coolest and different. So many Heroes are created out trauma but Diana was created out of love. DC just has such a hard time doing events with her when hers should be the easiest.

[@daraghokane4236]

Ya its greak myths conflict happens all the time. Here is one the Faiths show up this guy will do something bad kill him Wonder woman but he hasn't done anything wrong yet Other hero but he will soon fight. The faiths yes we planed all this. Or hera wants to kill the sons zeus had out of wed lock. The Titans come back Zeus gets scard heros like superman will surpase him. Someone wants to take the throne of zeus

[@SkylightCiel]

I finished the whole video and I still can't get my head around the fact that both the Greek and Roman pantheon exist in the DC universe

[@bulletsunderpressure]

Lmao

[@dbsasuke]

But that’s like the coolest element of this story. That’s a mind blowing twist that you can tell a lot of great stories from.

[@shauntempley9757]

@@dbsasuke Yes, and all the other pantheons exist as well. Including Tiamat.

[@richardestevez9220]

This was fascinating to learn about this from Perez’ perspective too. It certainly explains a lot. Thank you guys for making such great content. You all get better and better each time. It’s a real comfort to continue watching all these years. Thank you!

[@accidentalmadness1708]

22:50 heroes of Olympus would blow Ethan’s mind.

[@katiedaly3040]

Totally! 😉👍🏻

[@dariooben9]

Regardless of the quality of the book, how George was able to put SO MUCH STUFF in so few issues... is kinda amazing.

[@curativewriter5518]

Very topical with "Trial of the Amazons" and pariah in "Infinite Frontier" and "Justice League Incarnate" and presumably "Dark Crisis" both happening right now.

[@kylarh4425]

I’ll wait till dark crisis is done and read shadow war instead

[@Bman1939]

I really liked this episode. Tiffany did a great job explaining the behind the scenes of this story. This makes me think that if DC had put their faith and effort into letting Perez just tell this story, it might be hailed as an achievement rather than a mess that Perez had to pretty much had to handle by himself.

[@volpe7436]

So all i'm learning is the CW actually had a much better version of pariha then the comics

[@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038]

"They care too much in a weird fucked up way"_ Ethan. Oddly poignant.

[@ML1399TheyStoleMyName]

"Bwaaah! Its my fault! My poor family! I'm the saddest man alive!" Hey Pariah, you could move between Universes right? Yeah how about you go over to the Marvel Universe and talk to a guy named Peter Parker. He might be able to teach you a thing or two about carrying guilt without being THE WORST

[@loganthomas2421]

Great episode. Hope to see more of Perez’s or maybe even Rucka’s Wonder Woman run in future backissues

[@Martin_TheCollector]

Oh hell yeah, Greg Rucka is never a letdown!

[@ericsanty]

I’ve read some the beginning of George Prez’s Wonder Woman run and really loved what I read. It’s upsetting to learn what happened at the end of his run. I’m currently enjoying Trial of The Amazons and most of lead up too (Wonder Girl and Nubia & the Amazons). I’m glad that DC is putting some faith in Wonder Woman stories. Great episode y’all!!!

[@Depthcharge2030]

The real War of The Gods was the friends we made along the way

[@camerond4689]

Look at how much George Perez loved Wonder woman. He walked away from drawing The Infinity gauntlet, one Marvel's most famous stories, because he wanted to do something special for Wonder woman. I love George Perez

[@Jeff_Godoy]

This really make me wanna read wonder woman, thanks Tiffany!

[@kevinscott1547]

So, basically, War Of The Gods, was a big DC Comics clusterfuck?!?

[@christophermarkham2771]

ComicPop, best pop.

[@FlossyBottoms]

This might be my favorite Back Issues. I come back to it so often and get a kick out of it every time.

[@weissflower]

This book is so much fun, despite the mess from the book being cursed, especially if you know the surrounding mythology. Like, sure yeah the bits of Kronos can talk, he’s just bits! Tiffany did amazing on this, you can feel the love she brought and it makes George Perez’s love tangible and now I want to go back and read his run.

[@Horus070]

I do enjoy that Tiffany gives extra details to any book she is telling the story ❤️

[@chrisdaily2077]

George Perez: War of the Editors.

[@rayfarr2115]

WOOHOO!!! A TIFFANY EPISODE!!! You and Sal are such great storytellers

[@Insane-Howl-Cowl]

Thank you for this review of the story. This came out in the heyday of my buying single issues, and I remember being very confused issue to issue. Now that I finally have the context, I'm only mildly confused. Also, YAY there's an omnibus. I hope one day you cover the DC Crossover Genesis.

[@kylebowie1956]

Another certified classic, thanks ComicPop

[@Theteam4980]

the mith, the legend, the woman. Tif really went to work on this one

[@gtarrant2000]

Tiff learned the name of Mars' based on Sailor Mar's crows. I learn the name of Mercury's the same way.🤣🤣

[@fcm3d]

Tiff is like a plucky reporter shining a light on injustice.

[@Mysmarttelevision1989]

Lowercase i injustice. 😂

[@sakura5697]

Thank you Comic Pop because I would have never considered this but now I want to read this! As always great episode and thanks for the laughs

[@joezilla6615]

I once saw Pariah crying on a street corner then they messed up my sandwich at the deli. If only I had heeded the warning.

[@Yungtacosss]

This episode was incredible!

[@-libertyprimev1-902]

(Around 58:45) Is that an Undead Statue of Liberty Skeleton? 😂

[@eqs1782]

Another perfect Tiffany episode.

[@alexnejako777]

Perez was drawing this and Infinity Gauntlet at the same time. I think it gave him carpal tunnel or something. so he had to take a break from Infinity Gauntlet, with Ron Lim finishing it well, and War of the Gods, with Phil Jiminez stepping in. Both are great pencilers.

[@hsatin20]

George Perez was one of those special artists whose art could turn great comics into masterpieces and trash comics into readable, just to see his amazing art. His art defined DC in the 80s.

[@tanyaharmon6739]

When Sal can't deliver, Tiffany comes in and saves the day!

[@katiedaly3040]

Sure me it really sounds like a Percy Jackson book! Lol 😂 Magic and monsters Romans and Greeks ! I wonder if Rick Riordan secretly a wonder woman fan

[@stoneocean0065]

This is one of few comics I wanna read because I've always been interested in wonder woman's lore despite the fact they've changed it what 5 times now.

[@devonh8473]

The Skeleton Warriors call-out gave me life

[@DCPatrol]

Awesome video! Thanks for doing this! I think there should be a video montage of Ethan yawning. Maybe it already exists!

[@nickyt.2157]

48:23- Ethan pills a Ghost Rider! WHAT?!?

[@BalmierLotus]

Ah the real holy trinity... Tiffany, Ethan, Ben > Clark, Diana, Bruce

[@ChristopherZubin]

If a book fails to be coherent in summary, it really must've been a chore to read. I feel for you Tiffany.

[@bulletsunderpressure]

Lmao the thumbnail makes ben look like austin powers.😂

[@kylelewis9110]

So your telling me that DC has been Consistently shitty in fucking over creators for the past 40 years? Who'da Thunk? EDIT: Why did you change the title? Was it too on the nose? ALSO, War of the gods begins the trilogy that continues into Death of superman and Knightfall. DC's 'ah fUCK IT!' trilogy.

[@trevorghalt1881]

It sucks what happened to George Perez here, but this story is a cool idea, Sadly it's just all over the place because DC at the time

[@eqs1782]

This strangely makes me want to reread Percy Jackson and the Olympians

[@joshheralal8758]

This is a complicated book, but it's STILL easier to understand than Final Crisis.

[@radiumtheatre]

49:43 Tiffany does her Elizabeth Warren impression

[@davidgalvez5341]

All You Need is the Second Coming of Jim Shooter.

[@captainawsomeist]

I love this run!

[@galvatron3323]

I love Ethan in the role of DC editorial/management

[@seand7042]

32:15 I'll tell you why! Because Donna Troy is AWESOME

[@mttylerdurden9]

The behind the scenes fiasco of this story is the comic equivalent of Alien 3

[@Dusty_B]

Great episode all

[@jackwilliams7665]

Do you think Pariah’s only in the book because he was one of the few characters left for George Perez to use?

[@ftfasttalkfoodreviewsyt]

It's bad that I thought you were doing the dark multiverse war of the gods

[@Mysmarttelevision1989]

Well they did eventually and that episode was fun.

[@kezman12993]

"Can only die where she was made" Is Diana the one ring?

[@TheRealZubes]

Technically, she's unmade.. Which I didn't get to mention was because circe was worried about a curse of hecate which we see later in this episode.

[@TupocalypseShakur]

Barely ten minutes in, and this event seems chaotic

[@masonbrown3423]

i feel bad for perez. but i bet (hopefully) dc learned their mistakes from that. but hey, we got a tiffany episode! also, i still enjoy comics. i still enjoy dc, marvel, image, etc. but sometimes, companies makes some shit decisions. and sometimes it can be fixed, and sometimes it doesn't. it's just a world we live in now. but we're getting through it. and being warriors.

[@revolutionarydragon1123]

If it not Batman DC doesn't care They slightly give a shit about Superman only because he the first superhero

[@masonbrown3423]

@@revolutionarydragon1123 that's kinda true. but we're getting a DC black label aquaman book coming up. but still, they don't care. all they want is the money.

[@revolutionarydragon1123]

@@masonbrown3423 for all the fault marvel have if they decide to stop making spiderman or x men comic marvel won't crash and burn unlike what would happen to DC without Batman

[@masonbrown3423]

@@revolutionarydragon1123 yeah.... and that's why indie comics is cool. but i still read others (which are marvel and dc). even if they ruin themselves.

[@Ducaso]

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say they (DC) did not.

[@Matthewlaing1395]

So if I spill my drink, will Pariah come and tell me how much he suffered?

[@Matthewlaing1395]

Also can we call this episode Pariah is the worst!!!!!

[@JoshMunroe]

It's reassuring to know that comic publishers messing with their own creators in terms of editorial mandates/events isn't a recent thing... it was there all along!

[@kiptelgat]

yes another one I've been waiting for

[@dremity9494]

Ethans on fire this episode

[@frozenwing123]

this is great lol. I wonder who tiff hates more red ghost or pariah lol

[@creed8712]

You know I wonder if anyone’s made a comic pop playlist that puts the stories they do in chronological order yet?

[@justinbouffard8938]

I think I'll read this story at some point, things like Kid Flash racing Mercury sound way more exciting than a lot of other stuff that happens in big crossovers

[@foolwriter]

Well, you've done Armageddon 2001 and War of the Gods, so now you kinda have to do their unholy union, Teen Titans: Total Chaos. Come on, don't you want to know where the Greek gods went, what happens to Donna Troy, or grim-n-gritty future Nightwing? Hey, where are you going...

[@radiumtheatre]

Magnificent episode.

[@flywheelshyster]

Home from work, turning on Elden Ring, turning down its OST, up the Back Issues. Lets the comics and games begin!

[@8Bitnoobgamer]

*Tiffany finishes setting the stage for the story* Ah, wonderful, and it's only been...30 minutes! I think that's a new Comic Pop record!

[@stephen8805]

I was just looking up information about this event because I’m reading rock of ages for the first time and apparently Wonder Woman died, fell down a rabbit hole of research and low and behold comic pop have a video on war of the gods.

[@WhiteRaven696]

Jesus Christ, this is like "What If... X of Swords Flopped Catastrophically?" but with Wonder Woman and DC.

[@sonicjr53]

super fun episode!

[@MrPink-qf1xi]

Wow, I am 12 minutes in and I have never felt this sad for any other creator like I did for George Perez here. Dear God it must have felt like hell. So DC never gave a shit about WW until recently, so sad.

[@AuthenticApathy]

I'm guessing Ethan isn't a fan of the Percy Jackson series XD