Commander Clash: CEDH | S10 E11

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

NICE SHIRT TOMER!!!

[@Alikaoz]

I sense some bias here...

[@rmanzero]

The Panharmonicon is there so you get 2 Godo Triggers, get Hammer of Nazahn before Helm and equip for free.

[@Stampee23]

Tomer playing against two stax decks. "Why would I play my mana crypt when the stax players haven't had turns yet?"

[@lordspaz88]

I love these guys saying "that's not a Cedh card!" When they, above any other magic players should understand: "if it's stupid but it works, it's not stupid"

[@VRanger100]

Tomer and Crim: No Hand Cams on cEDH week. Viewers: They probably could have won faster.

[@cEDHCast]

Lmfaoooo

[@Brainstorm_brews]

1:01:30 heat shimmer in godo is to cast on godo after original Godo fetches Hammer of Nazan and the token gets helm....

[@T_Peazy]

Also it goes infinite with Dualcaster Mage and any other creature.

[@tzuted]

@@T_Peazy normally not worth it in the godo list bc the pieces for the combo are really hard to fetch up in mono red and dualcaster mage alone isn't quite as good as it looks. But it is a cool backup combo in some decks!

[@T_Peazy]

@@tzuted I assumed it would run all the mono red A+B combos. Kiki/twin/conscripts. LED-breach-wheel. Dualcaster-heatshimmer/twinflame.

[@tzuted]

@@T_Peazy yeah totally makes sense, but godo really wants a good plan A, so there's a real opportunity to cost to running things that dont directly contribute to getting Godo out and getting the helm on. That's the strength of having a zero card combo (meaning your only real piece is in the command zone), because in every game you have access to Godo, it tends to be more efficient to put in disruption and interaction to get through pieces stopping you instead of trying to go around it with another combo. This is especially the case in mono red bc after gamble your tutor quality really tanks, you can run back up combos in a black or green deck because of the tutor density, but tends to be a trap in mono r

[@T_Peazy]

@@tzuted But I would think that's kinda the point. Godo is in the command zone. So you don't need that many pieces to make the deck work. So its maybe 30 cards at most that make your ramp into godo plan work and then a bunch of backups?

[@ComedIanMTG]

Hey Seth, there is most definitely a almost 6k word primer hahah :D But in all seriousness thanks for showing off Winota on the channel :) Hope you enjoyed piloting it

[@seanclark4071]

Wait... I’m in the intros and I’m hearing talk of an abacus being used for its intended purpose and not to be shaken angrily, they truly are playing cedh

[@andrewsparkes8829]

Well they attempted to play cEDH for an hour at least; 1:13:32 would prove that plan eventually, as always, fell apart...

[@MWorl91]

“Why does this cost more mana?” “Trinisphere. Always Trinisphere.” Seth is the best.

[@zacharymccutcheon8607]

1:01:32. Heat shimmer on Godo. First godo gets the hammer of Nazan, second Godo gets the helm. Free equip on helm. Takes your win number from 11 to 9.

[@zacharymccutcheon8607]

Same reason panharmonicon is in the deck. panharmonicon at 4, Godo at 6, win off the two godo triggers.

[@zacharymccutcheon8607]

@Tomer, you actually have a turn 3 win here. City of Traitors on turn 2, cast hammer from hand. Then turn three tap the city for mana, exile the simion, make your land drop and that's 6 mana. Get the helm, auto equip and you win.

[@Bleuchz]

Tomer: The goal is to not take just one player out of the game. Crim: Lowkey camera smirk

[@mms4382]

Richard looks frustrated trying to explain Snoop piles to Seth and then Seth still thinks he has play the haste guy first and wait a turn lol

[@NH-wx1fq]

When you guys play CEDH again you should call the episode, "punt or bluff??????" Laughed very hard during this. Keep up the great work.

[@kedros45]

remember that episode on commander clash podcast about power levels. On of the points was that even if your deck is a tier 1 cEDH deck, if you can't pilot it well it automatically drops? This episode is a perfect example of that. That or Tomer is gathering clips for commander punts series

[@arthurkeech]

Tomer playing the simian spirit guide was gold

[@WushuTaz]

It was great seeing you guys having fun playing cEDH. These occasional games are always a treat. PS: Love the Play to Win shirt Tomer! They're a fun cEDH channel.

[@samniemann6890]

Hey seth, Snoop let's you play goblins from the top of your library. So as long as you have 3 red mana you can cast Snoop, cast Torch currier from the top of your library, sac it to give Snoop haste and then Kiki combo.

[@DonovanPresents]

Richard is the Shaggy of the MTG Goldfish crew 😂

[@DavyMcWavy]

Feel like Seth should be Scooby.

[@monkeyprince1343]

He's operating at only 1% of his power

[@DonovanPresents]

@@DavyMcWavy Velma could be Crim and Tomer could be Daphne 😂

[@Skywarp2099]

One thing I can say is after watching The Spike Feeders and Play to Win KZbin channels, you guys need to NOT be afraid to mull to 5 to sculpt better hands. Competitive EDH is predicated on speed, interaction, and strong focus on your win conditions, meaning that a STRONG 5 card hand beats a mediocre 7 card hand every game.

[@keep7smiling]

I mean they don't know how their decks work anyways. Like Seth had the win with Snoop combo the turn after he played recruiter, but he just has no clue how to stack them properly.

[@Skywarp2099]

@@keep7smiling I've said this about content creators who play other people's decks, in general. I think it's embarrassing to 'wing it' and 'figure it out' when certain combo decks are definitely Rube Goldberg machines that require a lot of finesse. As Crim kept joking, read the primer. To be fair, do we expect much else from the Goldfish gang?

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

@@Skywarp2099 nah, its embarrassing that you care.

[@legomanx95]

As a Godo CEDH player, watching Tomer pilot Godo was extremely painful. Possibly even worse was watching the rest of the table comment on "joke" cards in the list. If only you knew....

[@tzuted]

Yeah I was looking at panharmonicon and him getting to 6 mana, and was just like 'oh you sweet, sweet summer children'

[@jarodwilhelms4952]

I was thinking the same thing they kept talking bad about some of the best cards

[@NinjaNateTheMack]

To be fair Good does play a lot of "joke" cEDH cards but yeah, everytime they laughed at a card I was like if only they knew. Also there was nothing he could do in first game because of magistrate and magus.

[@moontorment]

Lol that editor text at the beginning made me so nervous, tomer saying punt proof gives me anxiety

[@ujustdiealready7402]

i couldnt even finish the video after that...had to look at the comments first to see if the prophecy came true lol.

[@zacknair6202]

Always look forward to Tomer on CEDH week, was not disappointed.

[@psychozen7169]

Richard 3m makes dry wall double sided tape for 99 cents for no damage

[@marxmeesterlijk]

Boros week was really good. Can't wait for cEDH week. :P

[@Keos027]

That magistrate and Trinisfere were fucking mvps holy smoke. That remembers me when Richard came with a Ruric Tar deck during a cedh week. Glorious.

[@kingfuzzy2]

The arts

[@onlyRicky_x]

Richard winning every coin flip Seth: "...and I took that personally"

[@kingfuzzy2]

Thank goodness

[@danwilson9522]

More cEDH content is always appreciated. Thank you so much for trying it out every once in a while.

[@VRanger100]

Whoo, my banana king Tasigur is finally featured.

[@Recesaron]

1:42:30 Crim has a setup to win next turn: wishclaw for demonic consultation, neoform elves of deep shadow to get thassa's oracle, respond to oracle trigger with consultation, exile deck and win. 1:42:34 Crim activates necropotence 8 times. 1:43:52 ... Crim chooses to discard neoform. 1:44:00 ... Crim discards neoform. 1:44:07 necropotence exiles neoform. 1:45:35 Crim counters a wheel that could have drawn him into the combo. 1:49:56 Crim brainstorms into demonic consultation, never didn't have it.

[@oORoOFLOo]

Tomer plays so well he makes Tier 1 CEDH deck, notorious for fast and consistent wins look like solid 6.

[@joshbendit243]

I think 6 is generous lol

[@MrMarclax]

Play to Win is an awesome channel

[@GeekTalkVideos]

Richard: “We didn’t get any stax pieces” Game 1: Trinisphere, winter orb, drannith magistrate, incidental magus value Riiiiiiiiiiight

[@GeekTalkVideos]

Honestly awesome games though

[@joshbendit243]

This was so amazing and painful to watch all at the same time lol, I love it

[@spliffi869]

Super fun gameplay footage. One of the most fun I've seen in a while. Really loved the fresh, casual-y perspective and usage of CEDH staples. I could see this being a regular format, due to the short length of the matches and exciting high power level cards.

[@thesp1r1tdragon55]

These are my favourite videos each season. Also Seth probably should have looked the snoop line up before stacking the courier on top ;)

[@Oko_Plz]

@tomer, heat shimmer, panharmonicon and the likes are to get 2 equipments with godo. Hammer of nazahn and helm to equip for free. Its just cheaper than actual equiping and a lot harder to interract with

[@zaclock-4228]

I have to say, I've watched your videos for roughly a year now, and this one is by far my favourite, it was hilarious in so many ways!

[@Steven-rb7ph]

This game proves that CEDH is a mindset.

[@amros]

Richard probably could have played birds again and would have been fine 😂

[@profanemagic5671]

@12:22 thats why you always gamble for life from the loam, you can only win that way :D Either you discard a land and reclaim it with the loam, or you discard the loam and dredge it in the next turn :p

[@AxillaryPower2]

Richard takes down the playmats and reveals the wall insulation that they've been covering all along.

[@daredewley9231]

cEDH week, the gang plays boros

[@RoomateNSNL]

Tomer could have tried to won turn 3 game 2. Turn 2 play city of traitors into hammer. Turn 3 float 4 mana play mountain Exile guide play for 6 play godo get helm it auto equips because of the hammer.

[@7someone]

Talking about Richards wall is becoming a staple of this show.

[@alaraplatt8104]

nice

[@DakovaL]

Richard could've just went Rograkh/Jeska for Cloudstone Curio loops if he wanted a CEDH Rograkh deck

[@BuckysKnifeFlip]

That would have been a really cool deck.

[@Oko_Plz]

Rograkh silas is the fastest deck in the format haha

[@shift658]

My buddy just picked up most of the goodies for the Curio List. Watching people get Jeska'd to death is sweet.

[@PalPlays]

Richard, I am so proud of you!

[@nomadstan123]

The creeping smirk when Richard sees his game two hand.

[@Blizbin]

Fun games, would love to see more CEDH!

[@DulcetRawr]

I have basically the same reactions as Crim whenever I pilot Tas as well 😂

[@cozmicshroomzpro1]

Seth could win with the combo on his following turn., on his upkeep, he just copies the snoop infinitely and then the recruiter to win before he has to draw.

[@anythingarax]

It's always, "what's your decks power level??" and not "what's your power level??"

[@Olikachu]

so nice to see multiple games in one video

[@jasonkorf7700]

Lol, Seth and Tomer judging the amount of card draw for Crim.

[@esrohm6460]

that tomer saw tibalt's trickery and could even fathom that that card is a counter spell really shows how it was used instead of what it was intended to do. i think its actually amazing i non blue but red cedh decks. singleton even with tutors makes that card to a hard counter most times.

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Seems good yeah.

[@gabriellecureux5528]

When tomer was like to we are playing competitive edh also know as a punt feast

[@xdavid00]

When he said can't punt because he can count to 10, but Godo is actually an 11 mana combo :P

[@PalPlays]

What did you just say?

[@jonfarmer7914]

Richard is not playing Bird tribal. This is not natural, and no good will come of it. I can only pray to the good Lord that Wizards design for, and encourage the cEDH community to work as a team on, Jank Tribal lethality. Speaking as a true cEDH player at heart I can only ask, as recommended in the Vod 'What are these Guys playing at'? :)

[@StahliCell]

26:36 Wasn't there a much abrew about nothing / against the odds episode with a Trinisphere lock of some sort? I kinda remember something along those lines but can't actually recall the other cards :(

[@StahliCell]

After that first game, I can 100% confirm I'm so happy my playgroup and myself don't like cEDH! What a disgusting board most likely I would've been a bit too salty :D

[@chrysalistening]

I’ve never played Snoop or cEDH, but off-hand I think Seth’s Recruiter pile (from top to bottom) at 1:06:00 should have been Snoop, Skirk Prospector, Torch Courier, Kiki-Jiki, Mogg Fanatic. Draw and play Snoop. Play Needleverge Pathway instead of Plains. Cast Prospector from the top. Sac Recruiter for red to play Courier from the top. Sac courier to give Snoop haste. Kiki-Jiki is now on top. Proceed to make at least (sum of opponents’ life totals + 5) copies of Snoop. Sacrifice 5 copies to play Kiki-Jiki from the top. Mogg Fanatic is now on top. Apply goblins to opponents’ faces, rinsing carefully afterwards.

[@ddublu]

"just bolt the prelate, then you can cast your 1-mana spells!" - this episode in a nutshell.

[@VRanger100]

You can tell the Command Clash crew don't play much cEDH by the lack of Blue in the pod.

[@warpgamer9055]

I mean they do say that and there are a lot of non blue cedh decks. Gitrog, bloodpod, korvold and so on

[@VRanger100]

@@warpgamer9055 That's true, but it's so rare to see 2 or more players not running Blue/Black at most cEDH tables because the amount of interaction most players like to counter combos. But given that two players were going to stax builds, the games were slower than your typical Gitrog/Food Chain combos.

[@derekmccoy2799]

Hilarious. Watching you guys play cedh is awesome

[@keep7smiling]

Seth: you win the turn after you play the goblin recruiter, if you stack the cards correctly.

[@toagunga]

Seth could have tried to win earlier with that recruiter, it's a 2 turn win: Snoop - courier, kiki. You cast snoop, and with snoop, you can cast a goblin (courier) from the top of the deck. Then you sac the courier for haste and then it's a kiki win (Seth wouldn't have won on turn 2 anyway and would have had to wait for the upkeep of turn 3 because of the counter on the courier but at least it would have made more sense).

[@vitorsantiago1075]

I'm saying it now, Simian Spirit guide hardcast is the new greatest moment in MTGGoldfish Commander

[@SirDoogleBeard]

As a CEDH player this was the hardest thing to watch ever 💀

[@josephhawkins7974]

Misplays aside, do stax decks not perform well to control the field in CEDH? Richard had an odd wincon, but most of the time the wincon doesn't matter quite as much as properly locking up the board and identifying which targets to take out first.

[@SirDoogleBeard]

@@josephhawkins7974 They do. The problem was mostly tutoring for the wrong cards and not seeing deck interactions. Which mostly boils down to unfamiliarity with the format and decks. From the viewpoint of an avid CEDH player it's like watching someone play a video game and making a choice that ends up badly in the future.

[@SirDoogleBeard]

@@josephhawkins7974 TLDR; it hurt my soul 💀😂

[@ruudvanlaarhoven5776]

Heat Shimmer goes infinite with Dualcaster Mage (didn't check if your list played it) for infinite hasty 2/2s, and it's a 3 mana copy of Godo, if the first seeks out Hammer of Nazahn, the second copy for only 3 mana searches out Helm of the Host, it equips for free, and you went infinite for just 9 mana, instead of 11. It's also pretty good against Gilded Drake, another cEDH staple that steals your commander for 2 mana. Or with/against Dockside Extortionists for a quick burst of mana.

[@name-wj7yz]

one thing i liked a lot about this cedh episode was you got to jam 3 games in one session!! and im a sucker for stax / death and taxes.. more please!

[@aarong2606]

Them chuckling at Tomer playing Panharmonicon is funny because that makes godo an instant win when he is cast lol. I feel like none of them have seen a godo deck

[@phoebesnow7142]

This episode could be called waiting for Godo...xD

[@SuperBearTank]

Tomer's hatred of Hedron Archive gives me life.

[@Uzotrups]

Love you guys in cEdh. Plot twist, commander clash has me interested in cEDH xD

[@CharlotteMimic]

This was really fun to watch :D

[@MrTandtrollet]

Okay I need too see this Bird deck of Richards that has been mentioned a million times. Where can I find it`?

[@DavyMcWavy]

I also didn’t realize Drannith Magistrate prevent commanders from being cast. There’s a foil just sitting in my binder and I can’t wait to annoy my friends.

[@thesxex]

cedh decks losing to the "fair" deck at the table is an old classic of the format

[@kingfuzzy2]

Not having many wrath's is why it's a true stereotype

[@thesxex]

@@kingfuzzy2 exactly

[@fishor6527]

I'm not even 20min in but I'm laughing so much I need a break... This was amazing

[@johnhearty7885]

I know it would take more time, but maybe next cedh week you could all try Richard's approach and build an original, cedh powerlevelled brew? That way you'll all have a good understanding of the deckbuilding choices and more pride at stake during the games :p

[@rosspenney5158]

Presumably the Panharmonicon is in the Godo deck so you can free equip the Helm with Hammer of Nazahn, making the win a few turns faster?

[@ewanhiddleston6642]

So for Goblin Recruiter pile, Snoop can play Goblins off the top and has the activated abilities of Goblin on the top of the library. So the pile is from top to bottom is Snoop > Torch Courier > Skirk Prospector > Kiki > Mogg Fanatic If you have 4 red mana you just play Snoop and then cast Torch Courier and Prospector off the top, sac courier to give Snoop haste and then Kiki will be on top so Snoop has it's ability and can target it's nonLegendary self so you make infinite copies of Snoop by tapping, then sac 5 Snoops with Skirk to cast Kiki and now all the infinite Snoops will see Mogg Fanatic on top to sac for damage. If you have 3 mana on the turn after Recruiter it's slightly different, in that when Skirk it's on top you need to use it's ability via Snoop to sac Recruiter to have the ability to cast Skirk, but other that that it's the same. There is also a simpler alternate on three mana next turn, which is to just to cut Skirk and give Snoop haste on the end turn of the opponent before so you untap with infinite tokens, but that obviously gives the table an extra turn

[@peterhardiman7333]

This dowsing dagger of Richards is insane.....he gets it almost every game....there's some questions asto whether dowsing dagger is good and it is better than people seem to think, when paired with evasion it is an exceedingly powerful edh card for the long game

[@graeme5048]

How do you guys not have pens at your desks!?

[@Xileph410]

Definitely is painful seeing you guys play cedh but I laughed a lot, so keep it up with the great content I really enjoy it.

[@jeremyhicks4517]

41:38 seth's face! Hahahaha! Winter orb will do that to ya.

[@remembertobreathe66]

Not gonna lie, abacus asmr makes me smile every time.

[@franksowell3893]

1:40:00. Yessss. That was worth the whole stream!

[@alpharius282]

I've seen Tomer play and combo off with Godo more then once. Can't tell if he's legitimately forgotten this or if he's playing it up to seamless threatening.

[@thedoctor559]

Heat shimmer is there to copy Godo, instead of 11 mana, shimmer means you only need 9. First Godo gets Hammer of Nezan and second gets helm which auto equips with hammer. Twinflame does it for one less. That's what Panharmonicon is for too.

[@Halinn]

Another reason to play the mana crypt early is because most decks with red play wheel, and a lot of ones with blue play windfall and sometimes timetwister

[@cameronconkle6796]

Panharmonicon is for getting hammer of nazahn and helm of host. Nazahn allows for a free equip of godo

[@Egovinco98]

wow Tomer really stuck with the count to 10 xD

[@Egovinco98]

also i feel like after G2 Goblin Recruiter ppl went a little bit of the rails

[@Gingerbreadley]

Is that the mythical Crim beard? Looking good

[@solarraine4902]

That Tibalt's Trickery made me insanely happy.

[@masonpotato4131]

I love it when you guys try cEDH! I dabble with it often

[@GlennTheSadMarinersFan]

In the last game. Teferis protection doesn't work ?

[@ryanquinn1257]

In response the Tomer talking on sweepers, if you let the board get to a point where you need a sweeper you’ve probably already lost so cheap targeted removal is prioritized.

[@SrPacoTaco]

Richards starting hand game one is just THE nuts

[@Goldfisher]

Tomer compare your list to a playing with power Godo list. Also I highly recommend checking out playing with power for examples of cedh decks and games. Very atypical cedh games but still fun to watch lol. Edit: Crim Godo is a cedh deck, just not that particular deck maybe? (It has many of the cards but heat shimmer and Panharmonicon are not cedh Godo cards I’ve ever seen). Normal Godo decks have the win by turn 3 at the latest and are held back by a lack of combo protection so they have to wait for shields down to go off.

[@terraqueo89]

Not gonna that was the best Tibalt's trickery I've ever seen!

[@auto8157]

love the play 2 win swag tomer!

[@NmEtwo]

Panharmonicon in the godo deck to get hammer of nazahn as well as helm of the hosts for the auto equip maybe?