Commander Clash: Revenge Week | S9 E17 | Rakdos vs. Ramos vs. Tasigur vs. The Ur-Dragon

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Viewer Submitted Week is returning! You can submit a deck that you'd like to see featured in a future episode by replying to this comment with a link to your list.

[@betterlugi1706]

Inniaz birds www.archidekt.com/decks/857092#Inniaz_lads

[@jackpabich763]

Do you know how soon Commander Legends cards will make it to MTGO?

[@ThunderousChemQ27]

I've got Yarok lands for Seth: www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/3449317 And Alela enchantments for Crim: www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/3133807#paper

[@glubero2623]

Ukkima and Cazur are my favorite partner pair ever forever - tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sultai-fling-1/#c3627015

[@samhixson4611]

Grand Warlord Radha Extra Combats (sometimes) and Big Mana tappedout.net/mtg-decks/grand-waifu-radha-2

[@MrShinyObject]

Watching through Richard's perspective was wild. Never used any of his counters, even an exiling negate against Seth's build-around, and won the game. What skill, what patience.

[@LeBrick91]

It amazes me how the guys don't go after Richard first. He always plays low key and manages to win.

[@kingfuzzy2]

Richard wins with just Timmy things ©™® the voltron player in my playgroup would def marry him if he knew about richard.

[@BadCookies1234]

@@LeBrick91 It's really really stupid if you ask me. I know these guys play around and have fun. But none of them EVER force Richards hand. They just let him sit in the sidelines to do whatever he pleases until the late game when he has been hoarding resources all game. It happens EVERY time. I remember a game where Richard didnt have a single creature on the board for 4 turns straight and both Tomer and Seth were afraid to attack or play a card because "derrrr, he could have removal or a boardwipe." No freaking duh. He will ALWAYS have that removal or boardwipe until you force it out of their hands. EDH RULE #1 If you have a chance to kill a player, you take it. and EDH RULE #3) You HAVE TO run interaction out of players hands.

[@TheShuffleAlliance]

Richard is MVP for not countering wild Pair and letting Seth have fun

[@miguelfreitas5343]

When I saw Tasigur on the cover, I thought Tomer was going at it again with 6-drop tribal... X'D

[@eusouzoom]

But he won one time!

[@PalPlays]

I wouldn't have complained if he did. That deck is sweet.

[@scaredycat3146]

Is that a Tabernacle in Richards decklist? I see we're playing on a tight budget this week.

[@poofypeanut0221]

Either I haven’t gotten far enough in the episode to get the joke or you’re unfamiliar with the players.. but Richard is playing tasigur which is sultai

[@reaper1858]

@@poofypeanut0221 tabernacle is a colorless land and is part of a user submitted deck which does not have the same budget restrictions.

[@poofypeanut0221]

Ahh thanks for the reminder, for some reason I was thinking of the white enchantment don’t even remember the name lol

[@T_Peazy]

@@poofypeanut0221 Moat?

[@poofypeanut0221]

Geez THAT is what I was thinking of lmao. I should try getting more sleep sometimes. Thank you for the reminder!

[@Suppaichu]

"i can't do anything about it" said richard, multiple times, with two forces and a pact counters in hand xDD I know now how richard wins so many commander clash matches xD

[@Spike-kg5rd]

richard POV? never thought i'd see the day

[@Keos027]

This has to be peaked Richard week. As pointed out by Crim, he puppet mastered all the table to outcomes that didn't bothered him and let them answer each others and then kept the counters for when he needed to protect himself from a real threat. This was impressive.

[@CarronBarboza]

Only thing worse than being a deck that qualified for Revenge week is having this episode qualify you for the next revenge week.

[@7someone]

But is it not a dish best served cold ?

[@whaleofdarkness]

You mean like Tomer playing Moonfolk three times until it finally won ;). Four times if you count the episode on Vince's channel?

[@taschneide]

17:47 "This episode was recorded a couple hours before Jeweled Lotus was revealed." Oof.

[@DiabloTommaso]

Lotus is not an autoinclude in every deck. Nor it s so powerful as people think. It s a toxic design for Sure and we all agree

[@cacs2201]

@@DiabloTommaso it is as powerful as people think, even if not an autoinclude in every deck

[@DiabloTommaso]

@@cacs2201 nope. People are going mental. And it s not.

[@PalPlays]

@@DiabloTommaso I agree.

[@DiabloTommaso]

@@PalPlays you know what this card is great for? Baiting mediocre Players to keep bad Hands just to die when they lose their general turn 2

[@LunaLasceria]

[Clack clack clack.] -- Tomer "I don't hold grudges but the abacus does" Abramovici

[@VRanger100]

What? New episode of Commander Clash and the first quote is Seth groaning about drawing too many cards? What happened? Tune in on this weeks Commander Clash.

[@Darchias]

To answer Seth's question vis a vis Opposition Agent: Because there are ways to force an opponent to search their library, like Field of Ruin or Scheming Symmetry. Also: Look up Maralen of the Mornsong

[@jasonkorf7700]

Exactly, like it's still not broken and shouldn't be banned in Commander, but it will be oppressive to play against. I'm amazed that Wizards promised powerful White cards and then print more powerful Hatebears in Black & Blue compared to the White Hatebears.

[@DiabloTommaso]

Makes people Smart about tutoring. And that s good. Easy to abuse? Yes like almost every single card in edh. Now you Have to think about tutoring eot

[@adamfiliatreault3393]

It's pretty telling that the person most excited to play it is Crim - the only person in this pod who is against fun Magic. He's far too much of a spike for this group and really needs to be replaced

[@TheAwakeOrangutang]

I mean, I'd put in nearly every deck BECAUSE it's like Aven Mindcensor. I slide that in every deck I can too. Tutoring is ubiquitous in Commander and there's value in eating a removal spell just for being annoying.

[@kingfuzzy2]

And ways to force shuffleling it's a mono red mechanic.

[@Khazuki_]

when I saw Tasigur, I was really hoping 6 cmc Tribal was back again. Even though I'm pretty sure it won last time it was in revenge week

[@stevenburton7725]

Seth’s view on Opposition Agent stems from the fact he does not play cedh. Opposition Agent and Hullbreacher will do work in cEdh, vintage, and legacy.

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

This is true. I do think that Opposition Agent might be bannably good in Legacy/Vintage, which probably means it's pretty busted in CEDH too.

[@lucidlullaby894]

I don’t know why but “I have some bears for that” is really funny to me Lemme pull out my Swiss army bear

[@bennetthusick8654]

To clarify the Notion Thief interaction, when Crim would draw off Bloodgift Demon, there would be two replacement effect he could reply. Each Notion Thief may only apply once to each draw, so that ties don't happen. Crim can choose which replacement effect to reply first. If he chooses Richard's Notion Thief, then Richard would draw a card. Seth's Notion thief would then see Richard about to draw a card and replace that draw with a draw for Seth. Basically, choose the first effect for the person you don't want to draw. (L1 Judge)

[@MaxMckayful]

In the intro teaser, that Crim "no" and then hard cut. Perfection.

[@7someone]

It is good to now see the cold calculations of Richard. I wonder what justifies Richard to play a counterspell ?

[@kpoffaas]

Why isn’t he doing anything?!

[@7someone]

@@kpoffaas your guess is as good as mine.

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

The best counter is the one that finishes the game in your hand!

[@7someone]

@@MTGGoldfishCommander Why did Richard not counter the spell that destroyed Primal Order and use his other counterspells to protect it; So he wouldn't have needed to bring it back thus saving a lot of time, or was he waiting for his combo pieces the whole time ?

[@davidhansen5067]

@@7someone Probably because he had a few other win conditions, and also was prioritizing assembling his ability to skip all his turns ahead of actually winning say that he could show off the really unique thing.

[@5fwwfw]

Richard holding two negate effects in hand while seth was casting the great henge and wild pair , i just don't understand. And them proceed to not use them anyway

[@goldenmunchkin3900]

I was getting so frustrated with that, why have counter spells if you refuse to use them on the obviously correct targets

[@5fwwfw]

@@goldenmunchkin3900 yes, specially the best spells in Seth's deck

[@eusouzoom]

He was saving to protect his pieces down the road...

[@akselevensen2763]

He did win though.

[@kylebillings7593]

@@goldenmunchkin3900 Well he did use them to win the game in the end. By Seth resolving those, Seth was the threat ALL game, drawing the aggro off him.

[@PiroMunkie]

As much as I love Quicksilver Fountain, it's a pretty bold strategy in a 3-color deck.

[@dantebeleren]

To be fair, the point of his deck is that it would never effect him by skipping his turn.

[@WendigoNet]

Editor, thank you for the Jeweled Lotus note. Lmao

[@Titanreaver616]

This was a really fun game. Primal Order is a hidden gem that I am glad to see other people playing. I hope to see more revenge episodes in the future.

[@joseturincio7257]

1:15:09 "the worst dig through time ever" Richard pls

[@stephenhousman6975]

Spell lands is so much easier to say than MDFC. 53:45 It is time stamp order because the replacement effects are being applied by different people. So Seth's Notion will be applied last

[@zotha]

3 mana draw a good card, opponent discards one of their best most versatile cards is extremely good. 3 mana draw a land card and stonerain the opponent is also very good. Seth not realizing how good Opposition Agent is is absolutely baffling. If Aven Mind Censor also had "draw a card" on it then it would be played in many more decks. It has Gonti templating, it doesn't need to stick around on the board to cast the spell, the only way to avoid it generating value is to kill it after it resolves before your tutor resolves.

[@Buugipopuu]

Aven Mindcensor often doesn't even shut off fetches and land tutors, it just makes them slightly worse, since 1-2 colour decks can probably rely on having a fetchable land in their top 4, and it only downgrades Demonic Tutor-type effects. It only really reliably costs the player a card if you hit a restricted tutor or you're up against a combo deck that is always trying to tutor a specific card.

[@Titanreaver616]

What I don't understand is why the scenarios you mentioned would be worth playing a card to achieve. If a card had that text "Op discards you search their library for a card and may play it" would you play that? I feel like there very few scenarios where that is a powerful enough effect to be worth playing. Even in the power levels where people play the highest number of unrestricted tutors and fetches it is unlikely to work because they also have the most interaction. It just feels like a decent card in the decks that want it, but in a lot of decks its just going to die before being worth the three mana spent on it.

[@natejablonski]

1:22:30 When they're asking Seth about win conditions and he says that they're not bears, my mind went to Laboratory Maniac. That's a 2/2 win con right?

[@thuggishcone1392]

This was one of the best ones ever😂 Richard just messing up everyones plans but noone being able to stop him cause of all his protection. Tomer's MVP scorpion. Rakdos board wiping. Seth doing Seth things and going off just to draw cards.

[@JonathanHecht]

I can't wait for commander legends season to start. episode 1: tricolor legends episode 2: 2 color legends episodes 3-10: partner combinations

[@sirusburningham4521]

I am totally down with a video of Tomer trying to use an abacus for combat math Also want to see if he's actually shaking one or not >.>

[@ms.sysbit5511]

He is. Richard bought him one as a gag Christmas gift in an earlier season.

[@guisseppimelon8224]

I’d like to state that people can and still do tutor with aven mindcensor even if it’s not super effective. Because it’s still technically card draw. But Opposition agent basically dashes any hope of tutoring

[@godspeedhero3671]

The "No More Bad Turns" deck sounds awesome! lol

[@coolcat6099]

I really love them switching the POVs it’s really fun watching different people

[@NightShadowSystem]

I just had an idea. Will there be a "The 4 Sisters of Innistrad" Commander Clash when Commander Legends is Released? That would be pretty cool to See :3

[@nivmizzet2022]

Were you really trying to argue Opposition agent is on par with Aven Mindcensor? They cant just try to blind search the top 4 to find something, and immeditaly seeing all the secrets of someones deck and hitting a worldly or mystical tutor is insane value. Sure, sometimes itll only hit a fetch or farseek, but if that person kept a hand knowing their ramp would dig them out of a 2 land hand, it not only puts them down a tutor and off tutoring until its gone, it saves you a land and can tutor all you want.

[@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303]

In the same way cancel is on the same level as counterspell, yes. Yes it is.

[@nivmizzet2022]

@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303 I'm trying to work out if you think those cards are equivalent, or you're agreeing with me.

[@swiftdragonrider]

@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303 much more counter spell to mana drain.

[@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303]

@@nivmizzet2022 I'm agreeing with you

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Opposition Agentl is clearly better, since you should draw a card off it, I just don't think it's *that* much better to be problematic in medium-powered Commander games (it might be in CEDH, Vintage or Legacy though).

[@Temperans]

This was a long but fun watch. Great job all around.

[@rexone9564]

When Asian avenger told Safron olive to go to combat I lost it! Pot meet kettle.

[@michaelcho6484]

Every time I rewatch this and hear Tomer talk about how an abacus is a toy, I want to gift him a baby abacus with an instruction manual. Its just a stone age calculator, how hard could it be? lmao

[@mindwhiz]

so seth, for high level play opposition agent means if someone plays doomsday, and you flash that in, they lose on the spot, since they exile the entire deck on resolution

[@jasonkorf7700]

Tomer, I'm with you on your rants about Hedron Archive & Temple of the False God, but I'm gonna strongly disagree with you on Morph's when Kadena Morph Tribal is a very strong deck in Commander.

[@DEV-Plays]

Kadena completely circumvents the cost of morph, and generates CA off it... of course morph cards are good in that deck, that doesn't make them universally good.

[@maechael-ns1xe]

That Rakdos flip.. was insane.

[@this_is_america_speaking]

Gotta love this channel

[@michaelmartinez5843]

If there was ever a Commander Clash that should have had the Picard Facepalm as the thumbnail... It's definitely this one.

[@faceoctopus4571]

Too bad Richard didn't crop rotation for Alchemist's Refuge so he could show off his flash enabler.

[@MisterAnimeFreak]

Richard had the combo btw. Crop rotation for Alchemists Refuge!

[@baconguy247]

Could you post decklists in descriptions?

[@schadenfreude4846]

love that Obeka is basically skip your turn tribal

[@mangakadanieru]

6 months later... Cabal Coffers reprinted as Mythic in Modern Horizons 2... just as foretold

[@Bigtasty63]

I don’t think the gang will see this, but I kinda hope they do. This episode is exactly why Richard is so opposed to cards that draw aggro without winning the game. Like the “Comment of the Week” was dunking on him and Seth for making that argument a couple podcast episodes ago. But in the CC meta if you durdle no one messes with you at all. Richard durdled and barely got touched. Had a hand full of counters, played a primal order, and won when no one could touch him. If your playgroup kills you while you durdle, cards that draw aggro are fine because you may as well do good stuff if you’re gonna be attacked anyway. But I think Richard is right if games can easily go like this. No reason to take hate for no reason if sitting back works for you.

[@MWorl91]

Richard, if you played Alchemist Refuge. That Crop Rotation could have tutored for it to give you your stuff Flash

[@sharlockshacolmes9381]

I love the "not playing tribal" Richard is *not* playing.

[@everydaykronicler9974]

Wait wait wait... 25:35 Tomer is a 5-Color deck that wants a ton of mana to cast nasty Tribal Tribal things... Casts a spell to gain control of Ramos.. Richard has not 1 but 2 counters in hand and does nothing!?

[@Caelus7]

41:56 The sudden realization on how to stop anyone from playing magic

[@TransHammer]

Opposition Agent is definitely a more competitive card. In cedh where multiple search go on the stack the card will shine. Its going to start out high in price but as lower power player realized it doesn't have the potential they want for it, the price will drop. It will be like mystic romora, a cedh staple that is $3.50. Imo of course

[@ankhi3585]

I think legacy potential might bring it higher than 3,50.

[@TransHammer]

@@ankhi3585 I agreed Opposition Agent will be more. The $3.50 price is Mystic Romora price last time i checked it.

[@notsm]

Those Scales should be played in a Panharmonicon deck, right?

[@PalPlays]

Tomer's MtGGoldfish avatar should be a redraw of him in a Seto Kaiba pose holding Kaldra.

[@faceoctopus4571]

1:35:39 I love you editor and would love to watch you play commander clash.

[@B_Shady42]

Team Richard! Hoorah! I’m getting scales and putting it in my Karador Hatebear deck. Lol.

[@psychozen7169]

I am guessing seth does not know about the black elf from lorwyn that makes everyone search instead of draw on the draw step?

[@sethchapman1425]

I believe he does. You would have to protect the heck out of both of them.

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

It's super sweet if you can get it set up, the problem is that you need two fragile creatures to stick on the battlefield for a few turns, which isn't all that easy with three people trying to stop it.

[@alexjacobs9357]

Really thought Richard would use an updated kathral deck since he didn't showcase it very good.

[@notimportant768]

wild pair is excellent for arcades by the way, you can tutor up all sorts of walls including axebane gaurdian

[@vinstaal0]

They go crazy about Three Visits, but it was never outside their budget if they take the Europe prices in consideration

[@kaszael]

"Show me potato salad!" came from a Family Guy episode

[@MWorl91]

No, it came from Family Feud

[@kaszael]

​ @Cameron Worley Actually, it IS from Family Guy Season 2 Episode 3: Da Boom. It is meant to satirize Family Feud but the joke is from Family Guy. Peter and his family wander a post-Y2K wasted landscape and encounter a gang of survivors that will allow them to pass only if they answer the question: name something you would bring on a picknick. Brian says Potato Salad and and the guy then points to a cloud saying "Show me potato salad!"

[@kifil]

@@kaszael One of my favorite quotes from the show! I sometimes quote it IRL. Thank you for the detailed explanation :)

[@DavyMcWavy]

I think the real power of Opposition Agent is in Cedh where fetches are more prevalent.

[@xZipkan]

40:00 Can't Seth just vamp tutor for wild pair to make ramos have 5 counters on it, remove the counters for 10 mana, cycle the triome to draw the wild pair and cast it???

[@atle853]

"you shake it and you lose everything, i dont know" nobody show Tomer an Etch-a-Sketch

[@BadCookies1234]

Tomer: "This is what happens. He (Richard) just sandbags until the end. I bet he had, like 8 counterspells." Okay, Tomer. Knowing this, and knowing how Richard plays, never once did you try to run out hsi counterspells. THAT is why he can always "sandbag" until the end. Because you guys allow him to.

[@ActionGome]

56:28 Called it on the coffers

[@stronggreenflame]

So I dont have a deck to submit but I do have an idea for a game to play. Bling commander. No cards that have ever been printed at common or uncommon (except basic lands)

[@karlwebb4799]

Every week should be revenge week Also another theme idea: Decks only containing cards printed/reprinted in the year 2020

[@TheChrisSig]

COVID tribal!

[@7someone]

Time to break out the Abacus.

[@christianmiller4422]

is everyone going to be doing partners on the Legends episode?

[@Brendo-mp9ng]

Cool to see richard POV

[@pieterpluijmers3073]

yep the demonic tutor is a old DCI judge promo

[@mrhaggerd]

What platform do you all play on?

[@Niuttuc]

They are playing on Magic: The Gathering Online. An official but not recent platform to play most formats online, though not free. There's ways to play commander for free though, www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/5-free-edh-decks-on-mtgo-commander-quickie

[@TH3L3M0N]

is it just me or were there constant noises of a mic or something being knocked about in the background

[@ashyoung7128]

I kinda Miss Tomer's POV tbh, I'd like to either go back to that or have it be on the person whos turn it is.

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

We'd found that switching every turn can be pretty distracting. Our current plan is to rotate through the crew (which means Tomer will be back up soon!)

[@leonardoboccaletti1790]

Hey Tomer and Richard, just so you guys know, this is how you use an Abacus: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIW5iYh9lLWhnac&feature=emb_title

[@Atanar89]

"Oh, how could the changeling possibly survive Rakdos ability that many time? It must be a miracle!" And totally not being an imp, devil and demon.

[@PalPlays]

HA!

[@notsm]

That was the point. It was immune to both Rakdos and the Reiver Demon as well as Tomers conditional wraths. It wasn't lucky it was the just perfect card TO survive all those conditional wraths that is what made it impressive.

[@onlyRicky_x]

Richard is so god like, he can win by doing nothing

[@robertramey5328]

Marlen the morn song with the opportunity agent gg

[@davidhansen5067]

Oh, boy! Opposition Agent neuters a deck for the low, low price of 3 mana! So much fun!

[@PalPlays]

That's hyperbole. Is every card in your deck a tutor?

[@blazelion7926]

What is the app y'all use to play online?

[@Niuttuc]

They're playing on Magic: The Gathering Online, or MTGO for short.

[@FacGame2501]

Why people don't run interaction in their decks? A random artifacts breaks completely a deck...

[@Crazymachin3gun]

Tomer u should have played ally tazri so u can tutor mirror emtity

[@khgroupie]

Crim brought back the awkward “i dont know where i fit” laugh. nooooooooooooooo.

[@PalPlays]

It's a homage to his first appearance on CC.

[@ExKiwi-yw8er]

If you had an infinite number of Tomers shaking an infinite amount of abacuses then eventually they could solve any math problem.

[@robinkube16]

I miss tomer pov but richard I do t think ive seen him b4

[@TheKillerman3333]

how do you play commander online?

[@Niuttuc]

They are playing on Magic: The Gathering Online. An official but not recent platform to play most formats online, though not free. There's ways to play commander for free though, www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/5-free-edh-decks-on-mtgo-commander-quickie

[@duuet5614]

Tomer should run goblin trashmaster if he doesn't already

[@eusouzoom]

He had an article on tribal tribal options! It is really something...

[@aarong2606]

This group has a strange dynamic. They will tunnel on literally any early lead too the point of excessive overkill. Then they spend like 3 or 4 cards dealing with the one person...that is why the value deck always end up winning. Playing aggro into this group is a death sentence. Gotta speak to each other and ask who has wipes or removal and don't just windmill slam all of your when the first 3 creatures pop out.

[@Bladerxdxi]

opposition agent vs scapeshift oO . I want to see this.

[@CuriousGearge]

Luigi wins by doing nothing.

[@zackattackk2]

1:44:03 is the best moment

[@DiabloTommaso]

Oposition agent is strong, the strongest card in the set. Blue flash 3 2 is strong as well

[@SmashCentralOfficial]

2:10:30 wth this isnt from toronto its from Family Guy LOL

[@sirusburningham4521]

Second thought: abacus camera

[@jeffshittles3664]

13:52 i like having friends

[@redstonepro5412]

0:12 lmao

[@terencecordova4748]

In my control decks in commander I usually run 37-38 lands and now I’m running 35 in them but it’s really 40-41 cause of mdfcs!! Love those cards