Compared Off-Road: Rivian R1T vs Chevy Colorado Trail Boss!

[@richardmahoney9415]

You getting out and standing in front the razor rocks changed my whole understanding of how hard the obstacles were

[@contagion6]

And that's cause the camera is still flattening it out

[@rayzorjay7331]

Finally someone ran the G80 correctly. I love this channel but, none of the presenters ever seem to know how to properly work with the G80 and make it look so bad. You have to go for it, be confident it will lock and push through. The whole, let off the throttle when it doesn't immediately lock thing is exactly the opposite of how the diff is supposed to work. This time, Kase went for it with confidence and didn't let off before the G80 could lock up.

[@WW-wf8tu]

Most of the time, it comes down to them not wanting to damage what is not theirs. Although, I have seen many examples of the presenters not utilizing systems that would in fact, give them more control. And or like you said, giving up and calling it "stuck" when in fact, they just give up way too quickly. "stuck" is over used to describe their fear of damaging stuff.

[@phild9813]

I love how decades old technology in the g80 outperforms the rivian creme of the crop in technology, theoretically. To do significant crawling in a IFS/IRS, apparently you just need lockers.

[@georgejulien3286]

Yeah it’s a locker that performs with commitment, otherwise it’s an open diff.

[@thomasnew8606]

Yes same in our 2007 Tahoe. Works great but you need to give throttle for it to engage

[@utope2]

It’s silly that Chevy doesn’t have a locker you can engage like Ford and Toyota. Having to spin tires to get tires launched the vehicle when slow and controlled is preferred.

[@natehoule567]

Rivian needs to chat with Land Rover about their traction control system setup. If Rivian could just upload a better management system to fully utilize the quad motors it would be a dangerously capable vehicle system.

[@ghosteye007]

The trailboss isn't even an offroading trim man. You guys are clueless. Why not test against the zr1?

[@codyjohnson1572]

​@ghosteye007 Sure you aren't the clueless one? This truck is the equivalent to the Tacoma TRD Offroad, both offloading trims. I believe you mean the ZR2 colorado, and that is the equivalent to the tacoma TRD pro. Doesn't have to be the top offroad trim to still be an offroad trim.

[@desertsavagery]

That is where my mind is at, before we bought our Suburban I was really looking at the R1S as a daily driver/weekend off roader, but from my understanding they were heavily investing in their off-road and rock crawling research so I was expecting this thing to just tip toe up those rocks with ease. It boggles my mind to see this high tech super truck just spinning tires in the air and not going anywhere. That's just embarrassing for as much as they've talked about their off-road prowess.

[@ozo1010]

@@desertsavageryI feel the same way , that all could change any time , it would be super easy to add V lockers on an OTA update , i just dont understand why they dont, it woud make the Rivian untouchable off road , and dominate all this tests , great for the brand

[@MotoGPatrick]

I agree. I think this was the dual motor and they neglected to get the brake traction contol of that trim up to rover level. The quad motor doesn't have differentials so it would not be just turning a the tire in the air.

[@migueljardim8177]

I wouldn't have set the suspension height on the Rivian to the 'highest'. That height is specifically designed if you want to clear obstacles that you might be hung up on. Instead, keep it in 'high' when rock crawling and deflate the tyres to give you extra contact patches. You don't get as much articulation on the 'highest' setting since you've pretty much maxed out the air bags.

[@midlifechrisis8164]

I believe rivian has struts on top of air bags to not take away from articulation and ride quality in higher settings like other vehicles

[@krispyywombat7382]

@@midlifechrisis8164 Actually it's been tested to be as miguel here described. Keeping Rivians just under their highest setting gives them maximum articulation.

[@mlenart000]

I was kinda disappointed with the rivian honestly. I figured the 4 motors would make it shred everything and not even have one hiccup

[@rmalmeida1976]

I agree but in reality, who is going to rock climb their $90k truck? Pretty sure less than 1% of the overpriced EV trucks will ever go off-road in any substantial way.

[@desertsavagery]

​@@rmalmeida1976truck guys, to be real all new trucks are in the $70-100k range and I see guys with new trucks out there all the time. We spent just shy of 98k on our Suburban and I load the kids up and go get lost every chance I get...my biggest regret is the garbage a/t tires that gm installs on their Z71s and the fact that some pinhead decided that 20s were the way to go on an off-road trim rather than 17s or 18s like a real truck.

[@Greg-cu1zc]

​@@desertsavageryyou're literally watching a video with a new truck priced at $40k.

[@vettle1]

Props to Andre for doing these things to all his trucks for his job!

[@gregkelly2145]

Don't worry, he's writing it all off his taxes!

[@fenceman53]

Andre could hear his truck scraping rocks all the way from Moab

[@yissibiiyte]

The Rivian behaves like an old ICE truck with wide open diffs. How can the torque distribution be so bad with an individual motor at each wheel?

[@carholic-sz3qv]

I think the motor cooling isn't very well on point! I've watched many EV Offroad including the Tesla modelX on SUV Battle and they both got their fans screaming soooo loud!

[@is6566]

@cander… How is that misleading? 2 motors per diff means 4 or quad-motors. Nothing seems misleading.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@cander58if there are 4 motors and two differentials, where and how are they situated in relation to the axles or wheels?

[@jacobscheer2730]

​@@ALMX5DPthere is no differential in a quad motor rivian

[@ALMX5DP]

@@jacobscheer2730 yeah just trying to understand what Cander58 is saying or believing.

[@valuenija]

I ordered a Chevy Colorado Trail Boss with the full metal skid plats, 360-degree camera, adaptive cruise control with 17" wheels, and an additional lift so that most of the issues with the Colorado mentioned can be overcome by ordering a few extras.

[@is6566]

How much extra is that over Andree’s truck? He paid 41k.

[@scottyellis3442]

Congratulations on your new truck order, I just hope Chevrolet has fixed their wiring issues that Andrea & quite a few have had.

[@TheJohn8765]

I'm a bit surprised the base Trail Boss doesn't have skid plates as standard. Still, even the low spec one seems pretty capable off road-- I'd much prefer that one than the Rivian (which seems to be programmed by people that have never seen bumps other than a speed hump).

[@AMAR-ym7sz]

I like the ZR2. I ithink that should have been the comparo. It's a higher model and has more power.

[@jsharpe987]

Is it the one with 430 ft lb turbo max you won’t be disappointed trust me have a turbo plus it’s the happy medium

[@TriesFlies]

Next time you do a rock crawl test, can you film the main screen on the R1T and overlay in the final video? Would be interesting to see motor power distribution along with the test footage! 10:27

[@deahelkcunklaer2180]

I have had a diesel ZR2 and a Rivian R1T . The smaller ZR2 is more fun off road but the R1T is in a completely different league with everything else.

[@JahyMoonwalker]

Looks like hardware beats software but I can't believe there's no cruise control in the Chevy! That's insane. The Rivian is impressive as an overall balanced vehicle though for sure.

[@WW-wf8tu]

@@Brian_Eugene_Lee Hard pass on anything that is a GMC product. 😉

[@AkioWasRight]

Hard pass on $93,000 sticker. Even hard pass on $40,000 dent repairs.

[@TheZR2Kid]

@@Brian_Eugene_LeeChevy made this “new” 4 cylinder engine like a diesel. Essentially, it’s a diesel that takes gasoline, aka a dream! But if you don’t like it, I respect your opinion.

[@TheZR2Kid]

@@Brian_Eugene_Lee Understandable. 🙂

[@adampackard7627]

You can get cruise control (and even adaptive cruise control) on the Colorado trail boss. It does have to be optioned in, but you can get it. Other trims also have the cruise control standard with the adaptive as an option as well

[@toyotarockcrawler]

The Trail Boss also gets better traction because of the live rear axle, you can see several times where the Rivians back tire is just kind of hanging there turning and hardly touching the ground and not getting much traction.

[@ivaniuk123]

The best part about the rivian off-roading is that if you get a ding in your car the entire vehicle can be declared totaled.

[@Bradimus1]

That story ended in regular old cheap dent removal.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

​@@Bradimus1still it's super expensive and much easier to total that Rivian! I mean it's great for the manufacturers to reduce the bomber of parts but seriously at which cost!?

[@carholic-sz3qv]

​@@Bradimus1on a conventional truck you can literally make your own custom bed from aluminum, steel or even wood! And much easier to repair/replace too.

[@evoemperor3776]

It's cheap to repair a car what's not cheap is having it repaired in a shitty country🤣

[@pabo8080]

because the guy got lucky. If you get a ding on the Rivian, and you don't get as lucky.... open your wallet@@Bradimus1

[@fritty9927]

I watch these and see all the cool info you get on various screens and all the fancy modes; then I watch Trailmater, and Matt’s Off Road and wonder if all that tech is really needed.

[@colinp446]

Not needed. What you need is time driving in the dirt, learning what your vehicle feels like and what it can do.

[@jimsomerville3924]

Needs in order of importance: ground clearance, good tires, power going to all 4 wheels (lockers), and articulation to keep the tires on ground. The stuff needed for that has been around for decades. The rest is just fluff, IMO.

[@fritty9927]

@@jimsomerville3924 agree

[@aaronelmquist8607]

The correct answer is a slightly used base jeep for around 25k

[@doormat1980]

shit, i could go down to 12k for a used jeep. and you better believe anyone who can afford a rivian can also get a used jeep for the harder trails (even though the Rivian is capable enough to do 90% of trails)

[@TheZR2Kid]

GREAT DRIVING CASE! The G80 takes some getting-used-to but if you perfect it, I’ll do most stuff for you. Very good driving. 5:48

[@RogerM88]

Let's face it, most owners of these truck won't dare even take them off-road, besides some drives through snow, but mostly curb crawling.

[@4literv6]

That's exactly as 85-95% of most pickup up trucks are used for, mall crawling, pavement princesses and urban wannabe cowboy cadillacs. 🤣 This from a truck owner whose only ever used them for work&hauling stuff since the late 90s.

[@COChevyTrainMan1990]

The MOST truck owners, the 100% of them, are ones who own Ford, Toyota, Nissan, and Jeep. All of them are terrible on and off road because they are junk. Everything from GM are built properly and have the right equipment to tackle the rough terrain. Say what you want, but I don’t care. GM RULES, EVERYONE ELSE IS SH!T

[@oneslackr]

You're right. If there is one group who is into off-roading it would have to be Jeep Wrangler owners, right? At least many assume that. But Jeep says that only 10% - 15% of Wrangler owners go off-road so you can imagine how low the numbers are for other vehicles.

[@Cavemol5823]

I wouldn’t at 90k battery based truck

[@forkthepork]

@@oneslackr ...and Tacoma owners.

[@USUG0]

the 50k difference, beside interior quality, is that when you reach the tarmac, the Rivian has supercar-like performance and driving.

[@oneslackr]

It's cool for an EV truck with lots of bells/whistles & unique features. When Car & Driver tested a '22 R1T with the quad-motors they got 0-60 3.3 sec., 0-100 9.0 sec. & a 1/4 mile in 11.9@110 mph, top speed is only 111 mph, & it pulled 0.80g on the skidpad. It's quick for a heavy truck in a straight line.

[@zellodavis8453]

I would have turned Stability off, I’m guessing it would more directly send power all over. I also might have tried soft sand, drift or rally, as one of them might allow more slip and through that more direct throttle input. I would also note that the ATs on the Rivian have pretty decent tread but they are not nearly as aggressive as the Duratracs.

[@Teslavangelist]

agree. Everyone puts it in "rock-crawl" beause oh we're crawling rocks, but that focuses on limiting slip, not sending power everywhere like in sand/snow or rally mode

[@bob15479]

sending power "all over" doesn't help, just shreds tires. it doesn't have the wheel speed control and naturally intelligent torque distribution that a locker gives you.

[@coolsquad7428]

@@Teslavangelist Another issue here is it seems like the rivian was not as aired down as it runs at a high 49 psi which alot of evs have a high psi for there tires

[@noah_will]

Hopefully Rivian can get this fixed with a OTA software update. I know it can definitely dominate it if they make some changes to the off road modes.

[@mad636man]

It’s so funny reading comments on ev content. You can tell car people from truck people. And truck people from ev people. We own a 2020 performance model 3. And a 2023 bronco big bend. Me and my wife just love cars. We see a lifted truck in Florida we give a thumbs up. We see a slammed civic, we give a thumbs up, we see a rivian we give a thumbs up. We just love when people love their vehicles. Of the people we give thumbs up to, if we’re in the Tesla, trucks always give us the middle finger or try to coal roll us. It’s sad. And I know that those people aren’t car enthusiasts. They just have a loud big truck to look tough. 🤷‍♂️ We wish everyone would just enjoy cars and truck the way we do.

[@is6566]

@mad…. Kumbaya.

[@deahelkcunklaer2180]

Same, I have old muscle cars, a diesel Jeep, and a Rivian. What is it with the ignorance of the coal rollers?

[@oneslackr]

I bet you're a big 420 fan, huh? 😄

[@MTKARusty]

​@@deahelkcunklaer2180they own those trucks specifically to think they look cool and to intimidate people. Aka not the sharpest tools in the shed.

[@wymy1412]

I cancelled my Rivian R1T order after 3 years and a few weeks until delivery. Awesome truck, but I decided to let Rivian refine their vehicle before putting my money down. Great video. thank you

[@Teslavangelist]

Everyone puts it in Rock-Crawl mode when articulating, but that mode always prioritizes limiting wheel slip but doesn't do a good job keeping the planted wheels going. I wonder if "spin" modes like rally or snow/sand would actually be better because they aren't focused on limiting slip but just sending power to wheels

[@MichaelRigdon9630]

The new 2024 Trail Boss is actually very impressive. Putting it into 4L with terrain mode is insane!! I’ve crawling up everything with ease, and zero wheel slip. I love the truck

[@dadventuretv2538]

The essence of the problem with the Rivian is that it is trying to be all things to all people- a fast, car-like handling sports car, a comfy daily, a grocery hauler, an “adventure vehicle”- instead of picking what it was originally marketed as- an “offroad adventure vehicle” and building it to be the best at that. And the other problem with any ev designed for offroading that one simply cannot get around is that everything that is done to make a vehicle better at offroading- increasing tire traction, adding weight for basic things like steel bumpers, rock rails, winches, roof racks etc, increasing ground clearance- decreases range. There simply is no way around that. And for many offroaders- whether wheeling or overlanding- range and the time for fill ups to increase range and the ability to increase range off-grid- are all super important. For me, there simply are too many compromises I would need to make trying to use the Rivian as I do my Gladiator to make me have any interest in it.

[@intentsglampingtx]

You couldn't have said it better! Rivian gained a strong foothold on the EV market with their early/original "Adventure Vehicle" marketing strategy. Now they're trying too hard to capture the entire market! This is exactly why I almost sold my stocks - I lost confidence when they started trying to be all things for everybody. Stick to one thing and dominate! They failed in that department when they started producing the EV Delivery vans for Amazon - but, they're doing very well with THAT sector of the market; which is why I'm holding onto my Rivian stocks. If they would leave the luxury vehicle market to Tesla, and focus on the off-road/adventure sector of the market; they'd be untouchable!

[@bostondan77]

I could be wrong, but I skimmed an article stating the dual motor Rivian may do a better job off roading than the quad motor even though it has less horsepower and torque. The reason being that in the quad motor if two wheels (one front and one rear) are off the ground, you lose 100% of the power in those motors which is not the case in a dual motor with lockers. I have to say, I do like the low end torque that the new Colorado offers.

[@RossMalagarie]

TFL Andre thanks so much for showing me what your Colorado Trail Boss can do! I am looking to getting a Colorado Trail Boss in the future and it will be my first 4x4 truck and I want to try to do some light off roading but after seeing that HUGE dip down your TB went through with no problems I am secure it can go through almost anything! Thanks. With the right tires for mud, with airing down to not pop the tires, and with a winch to get me out of stuck situations, I can go through almost anything with a Colorado Trail Boss! Thanks!

[@brucepeoples3737]

Look at the GMC Canyon AT4 with the off road performance package - equipped much like a Trail Boss. It is quite capable and I live that it is narrower and shorter than a full size truck - and a great daily driver

[@RossMalagarie]

@@brucepeoples3737 thanks, I test drove a Canyon AT4 and it drove and sounded great. I just prefer the looks of the Colorado Trail Boss and specced the way I want it's about $5k cheaper

[@JimmyfromRivianStories]

You guys seemed to not know this but you can also change the camera views to look at the front tires or rear tires so you can check tire placement. Tap on the Bird’s eye icon to change from Bird’s eye to tire view. Cheers

[@DuaneCaldwell]

Nice video guys! The Rivian is surprisingly good offroad despite needing the software engineers to spend some more offroad development time tweaking the algorithms.

[@Alex-je6od]

On the Rivian... His angle of attack was pretty worst case. Then again, he had two tires on the ground and not a whole lot was happening.

[@architypeone8646]

The Rivian is too smart for it's own good off road. The computer won't let you do what you need to do to get over obstacles. I'm surprised that it didn't do better with a motor at each wheel.

[@mbukukanyau]

It’s half baked

[@johndavis7257]

It’s less that and more single motors don’t have enough power and thermal management to get it moving. When you life wheel’s going slow it struggles. The dual motor would probably crush all that if it had a locker

[@rcguymike]

If the dual motor versions get lockers my guess is that they'll do much better offroad than the quad motor. Quad motor you take your total power and torque and divide by 4. If you're offcamber uphill with traction on only 1 tire caught on an undercut ledge you're screwed

[@bob15479]

exactly! Rivian really pulled the wool over my eyes. you described it perfectly: total torque /4.

[@myplaxismodelisbetterthanyours]

Id love to see the long term reliability of the Rivian being used as an offroad vehicle

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Thought the Rivian would do better. Being a locomotive engineer, I’m all for the torque of electric vehicles (Locos are diesel electric hybrids… all the pulling power is from the electric motors), but these electric off-roaders (hummer, Rivian) just aren’t performing like I thought they would. Maybe Jeep will figure it out with the recon, but they really need to develop lighter batteries. High torque, low weight is likely the way to go in my opinion.

[@Rage_Spammer]

I'm wondering if a low gear could come in handy here. Yeah, electric motors have great torque, but when you gear it for 100+ mph you lose that advantage when it gets to the wheels. 2 speed gearboxes have been done with EVs a few times. The Porsche Taycan's rear motor has 2 speeds for example. You'll lose some efficiency but when offroad capability is needed, it might be worth it. Also dual motors with lockers probably would've helped here as each axle was at most getting half power before the motors start heating up.

[@PatrickRich]

@10:30 this is exactly the behaviour I would expect from a quad motor setup. Sure you have 835 hp, but you can throw away half of that immediately because 2 motors are out. 417 is still a lot, but it's also a 7300 lb truck trying to push up and over a rock on a slope. There are limits on how much current you can throw at a stalled motor before melting something and regardless of what that stall torque ends up being you are producing 0 hp at 0 rpm.

[@MrCh1cken]

It's crazy that the Rivian doesn't have simulated lockers and that with 800HP two wheels could not push it over those rocks. Also crazy that a "Trail Boss" doesn't have skid plates.

[@migueljardim8177]

Each motor doesn't have 800hp. Each motor has ~200hp, so if you think about it, the entire weight of the truck when balancing on two wheels actually has to be pulled forward by just 400hp combined since two wheels are off the ground. Considering how heavy it is, that's pretty impressive to me.

[@philiptait7334]

Poor😢 Dif

[@yissibiiyte]

​@@migueljardim8177even with 2 wheels in the air it still has over 450 lb-ft of torque in the wheels on the ground. Which should be more than enough to clear that situation. Seems like it simply has terrible torque management and distribution

[@carholic-sz3qv]

​@@migueljardim8177lol!!Ii the Toyota Hilux diesel has about 200hp and even the much less powerful ones with 90hp with simple locking diff are super Offroad!

[@carholic-sz3qv]

​@@migueljardim8177Rivian can make that truck significantly more affordable with just two electric motors at each axles and a locking diff front and rear 300hp front and 300hp rear electric motor or 250hp each.

[@rlhmarines]

With a G80 once you get it engaged you need to keep the gas pedal on and just use the brake pedal to control your momentum. If you come off the gas it will disengage and this is why you see people having trouble being smooth.

[@alafrosty]

Case did a much better job of driving this hill than anyone else at TFL and even without a spotter! Ideal use of the g80, getting the rear wheel to spin. Up a little and locking it in. Awesome.

[@ttp_007]

Rivian has lots of great features, for a $100k vehicle, it performs poorly for offroad. Maybe a software tunning for faster and better engagement in rock crawling will fix this issue. I could be wrong, but I believe having one motor per wheel might not provide enough traction power compared to a single or dual motor setup, which offers the low torque necessary for climbing rocks with a heavy load. An auto-engaging gearbox at each wheel might help deliver the required low torque. EVs are improving for off-roading, but they’re not quite there yet.

[@lonniefransen2946]

Have a trailboss put a leveling kit and tru 33 on would easily go over that line with room to spare

[@JsGarage]

I've seen this scenario play out a few times for the Rivian. I don't understand why the traction system is so bad. There are 4 motors how hard is it to send power to all four tires? There should be a simulated diff lock mode that mostly syncs up the speeds of the tires especially in rock mode. It otherwise seems like a nice truck with good angles and ground clearance for reasonable offroading.

[@dirtandhappiness2023]

This highlights the problem with the quad motor architecture. If a wheel is in the air, then that motor cannot help move the truck at all. This is why Rivian is moving to a dual-motor+lockers architecture. You can send 100% of front and rear motor torque to the left or right with that arrangement, and that works better once wheels are in the air.

[@TheZR2Kid]

I also have to say, the trailboss is just so capable off-road for the price! It’s a do-it-all rig. You can tow, haul, off-road, race (😂), look cool…

[@TexasStormChaser]

A Ford Ranger FX4 is cheaper, better equipped, a real locker, skid plates, crawl control, twice the towing capacity.... the list goes on and on.... not to mention it's the #1 rated off-road vehicle in the world.

[@TheZR2Kid]

@@TexasStormChaser I do agree the ford ranger is a great vehicle. And I love the electric locker! As a matter of fact my dad has a ford ranger fx4 which is a beast. However, the new generation of the ranger has terrible clearances nor does it have factory 33 M/T. The Colorado does tow more: Ranger tows 7,500lb and the Colorado tows 7,700lb. I think the Colorado also has more power from factory. I just went and built a ranger with 4x4 and e locker only and it was 38,000$ which is the same price as the trail boss. Not to mention all the extras on the inside of the Chevy. Lastly, the ranger does have 100lb more payload. Ranger has: 1,800lb and Colorado has: 1,710 payload

[@TexasStormChaser]

@@TheZR2Kid Trailboss doesn’t have a locking rear differential or off road cruise control like the FX4. It has the “look” of an off-road vehicle from the factory, more than a Ranger that looks like a work truck….but the Ranger is a more capable vehicle overall. Back to the discussion about Subaru, same deal. Looks like an off-road beast, but isn’t. Looks sell for most people, more than what’s on paper. Chevy knows this. Subaru knows this. Toyota knows this. Ford? They don’t give a crap about looks. Their customers want capability not cosmetic.

[@TheZR2Kid]

@@TexasStormChaser no trailboss doesn’t have e locker BUT it has the G80 which works really well in this video. (The G80 is a mechanical locker that engages when the one tire spins) Sure the Chevy looks better, that’s bad on ford. Ford did focus on looks with the ranger Rapter. We do also half to remember that we are comparing budget off-roaders/ do it all trucks. To finish this “looks” discussion, both have plastic front bumpers and little to no protection under the doors. They both have thin metal rear bumpers. If you want to compare off-roaders to off-roaders. Let’s compare the ZR2 Bison to the ranger Rapter (the best of both brands).

[@TheZR2Kid]

Also, the trailboss package has a 2 inch lift over stock.

[@maxsteel4711]

I don't know if it as done, but you should do a Rivian vs Silverado ZR2, they're a similar price point.

[@richardmahoney9415]

The Rivian is very expansive but when u consider the speed and handling the ride and the ability to semi rock crawl and do high speed running it’s super impressive actually

[@TheZR2Kid]

Sure, it’s a neat rig. But for the price we need to be comparing the Rapter R to it. Or the ZR2 Bison Colorado

[@The_Draque]

TRX and Raptor R are better buys every time

[@Jay-me7gw]

Its a jack of all trades, master of none. -It can tow a trailer, but the towing range is horrible. Especially when you option the offroad tires. -It can go fast, but not as fast as a tesla or some other EV cars. Its no faster than a $41000 Model 3 performance -It can handle ok, but again, not as well as a lot of cars. -It can offroad, but again, not as well as a even a $38,000 Colorado with a simple G80 rear diff. And you are limited to 20" wheels due to the size of the massive brakes needed to slow down a 7500 lb truck with 835hp. Slap some 35x10.5R17's and a locker in the rear of that Colorado and its even better and has just as much or more clearance as the Rivian for 1/2 the price. -Its not particularly efficient being a 7500 lb truck on all terrains. Unless you only have one parking space in the garage/driveway/street, I dont see a lot of reasons to take a Rivian over 2 or 3 other cars that each do these things better. All 3 of the cars in my garage combined dont add up to the price of the Rivian and they all do their intended tasks as well or better than the Rivian.

[@alexsystems2001]

You’d figure the Rivian would know “hey we are going off-road, let’s spin all wheels at the same speed” that’s weird that it allows slippage at all.

[@Catmemegod]

The rivian likes a little more throttle than you were giving it. Give it another chance but don’t treat it like a v8. Start harder and stay harder and it will get over way more stuff, not from the momentum but from just a strange power delivery in the rivian. If you start really soft and go to the floor slowly, it just does nothing, they need to fix that.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Starting slow to check clearance is a key off-road tactic…going hard from the get go is a good way to break your rig on the trail. That definitely needs to be fixed.

[@TheNotimprezed]

He had his foot to the floor....

[@MikeKirkpatrick-vh6iu]

​@TheNotimprezed ya, when the truck was sitting on a rock. Once he backed off and found a slightly different route, it climbed itself out.

[@itwasaladream]

Simplicity is king, yes you can have all of your doodads and cool stuff. But all that just gives you more stuff to break or stuff to go wrong.

[@JustinKingOffroad]

these manufacuters need the ability to lock the 2 rear motors together and act like a diff lock.

[@1mlb704]

This is why this channel is great. The Rivian is sooo good on paper off-road, but in the real world it struggled more than a mid-trim Chevy that costs half as much

[@arnegerhardsen3755]

Hello to the TFL guys. You are happy to have car and truck prices in the US we only could dream of. You have other traditions for the use of offroad trucks in the US than by us where it's not allowed with motorized driving in the woods or the mountains. Most use of trucks are as work horses in everything from towing in highway driving to nearly no roads, but even at my work we newer have opsticals like this driving with disps at trails no one have driven a truck earlier, for building wastwater treatment plants for some remote cabins in the wilderness. Thanks for your true reports.

[@dadventuretv2538]

Coming DOWN razor rocks so that you have the driver side rear in the air and the passenger side front in that hole at the bottom is where articulation is a matter of safety- that is where vehicles with poor articulation will likely roll.

[@Mickocarbomb]

The issue or sight lines and visibility you can solve with the ZR2 desert boss edition of the Colorado. It has cameras basically everywhere for climbing. Wheels, front bumber, sides, bed cam rear bunper cam (i think)

[@leavingarizona3345]

Hey guys, not exactly on topic but I just wanted to say, some of the new background music choices I’ve been hearing in recent videos are very good!

[@aconfusedazn]

Impressed you got this video out the same day the update came out

[@sworks7124]

The Rivian is like buying 3 vehicles in one. Offroader, Sportscar and luxury truck. So if you paid 30k for each type of vehicle the Rivian is worth the 90k price tag. At least that is how I justified it to my wife 🙄

[@is6566]

@sworks… 😃 Mine wouldn’t fall for it. Need dumber wife. 😍

[@fscottgray9784]

It is good when you can trade cruise control for crawl control. You use crawl control every day, right?

[@is6566]

Curb crawling at Starbucks. Twice a day!😃

[@cwilsonyt]

The question is not how much does it cost to go off road. You can spend $2500 on a beater that goes off road. The question is whether or not people want to spend $90k on an EV that goes off road. Most people who can afford $90k would buy the EV truck nowadays. Almost everyone else will buy the Chevy, but even those people would prefer something like a Rivian. Retail pricing is the only reason that Rivian has not grown to a commanding lead in this segment. Normally I like TFL but this is a silly test.

[@tazeat]

Spicing up the dual motor with real lockers would go a LONG way in to making a more capable Rivian

[@gregss.771]

Air suspension is only as good as the warranty. Once the warranty is gone.....not worth the cost.

[@benjaminserino6611]

This is a example of a truck vs a car off road full independent suspension doesn’t get you anywhere unless you are flying

[@mccoymaverick1658]

After watching Edmunds trash videos about rivian I wanna request you guys to make more such off road videos of rivian pickup truck and suv especially testing the torque vectoring capability of electric motors when they get major software updates in future. You people always have good quality content but I would like some long duration videos of ev's off roading and to see how they complete the task compared to more traditional off roaders like wrangler, gladiator and power wagon.

[@justtryn12]

I vote 40,000 . Biggest reason extra 50,000. Gos a long way on mods. Plus if I didn’t even go off road , I would never spend 50,000 in fuel in 5 years even if gas prices make it to 10.00 a gallon.😅

[@EGGINFOOLS]

Dont be afraid to use both pedals while climbing guys

[@BradyReading]

Bingo. “One pedal drive isn’t that great here”. So use both pedals.

[@matus201]

Does the highest setting make sense? Don't you lose all articulation?

[@davidmilhouscarter8198]

4:48 “If I get my truck back any different than I loaned it, Monster Joe will be disposing of two bodies.” -Winston Wolf, Pulp Fiction

[@ericarntson2035]

I don't understand why the Rivian struggled so bad. It's got a motor for each wheel, and ostensibly a speed sensor at each wheel... so just send more power to the wheels that aren't spinning and reduce or eliminate power to the wheels that are. Seems trivial.

[@Rage_Spammer]

Short answer: With quad motors, the less wheels with traction, the less power you have. Stalled electric motors have a lot less torque than when moving and will heat up very quickly when its gets power but can't move. Combine all this with a 7,000+ lbs truck and only 2 tires with grip, meaning only 2 motors work, and you aren't moving up easily.

[@brucepeoples3737]

Andre has gotta get rid of the front air dam on the Trail Boss - it will eventually get eaten up! Funny thing, on my Canyon AT4, part of the off-road package was for the dealer to remove the front air dam.

[@ammarmalik1547]

I don't understand the obsession with immediately putting the car in its max height. It seriously compromises the ride quality, kills any suspension articulation and makes the traction control work overtime.

[@bob15479]

What people don't realize is that at 0RPM and the given gear ratio, the electric motors don't produce as much torque and power as you would think! Not even close to an ICE in 4LO sending 50% of it's gear-down torque to a single wheel via lockers.

[@aminkham1]

What’s good for the Riv is that they can improve this with a software update.

[@chuckgrenci6404]

For me, the Chevrolet all day long, every day. Others: pick your 'poison', your choice, your pocketbook.

[@sslazer]

Rivian needs to create a simulated locker mode. For now you have to bump or press the throttle quickly, otherwise if you slowly accelerate it won’t provide full horsepower to all wheels and you end up flooring it going nowhere.

[@regwilson7652]

Great test as always and Chevy should have skid plates standard

[@Goosekovski]

This just shows that the Rivian could benefit from lockers. Either virtual or mechanical.

[@GoSlowTaco]

How would have an mechanical locker if each wheel has a motor lol

[@dougpendleton1266]

Good job guys, I enjoyed the video!

[@is6566]

So what’s the clearance in the Rivian? In normal drive height and when it’s fully jacked up?

[@dominicwilkerson]

15 inches of clearance when in highest mode. Goes down to 8 inches when in sports/conserve mode at lowest setting

[@is6566]

Tx. Pretty decent numbers.

[@Dokatd]

Ok, I can’t effectively test this on my Rivian R1S, but what happens when you are in rock crawl mode and turn stability control off. I’m curious if that fixes the stalling issue we’re seeing on Rivians off-road.

[@TREVORJB101]

Saw my first Rivian in the wild this morning near Lansing, MI. It's not a bad looking truck, but I still prefer the look of the Colorado.

[@waynerhea6649]

How can you have almost 200hp motors at each corner and still get stuck regardless of the weight thats 400 hp and cant get them 2 wheels moving.😅

[@Greg-cu1zc]

Didn't TFL show something like an 80% reduction in range when 4x4'ing an EV when the tested the wrangler in all electronic mode? Does that same reduction apply to the Rivian?

[@dlakerguy]

What's the point of having a motor for each wheel if they aren't all operating; especially when you need them to?

[@itgoesfast2722]

It seems Rivian needs to work on its programming. A lot of wheel slippage for a vehicle that has a motor at each wheel and a 90k price tag…

[@d-unit-outdoors]

Why doesn’t the Rivian have a Crawl Mode and have a “locked differential and Transfer case” mode?

[@Scott-sm9nm]

21:40 -- I don't think the individual motors are powerful enough to propel the car up much of an obstacle or incline and that seems to be the downfall and why pedal to the floor is required (which may not help as shown earlier in the vid).

[@ReformedBrant]

You sure this was the quad motor? They also make a dual motor. If so, it’s sad they can’t simulate lockers with quad motors.

[@DaBuffNerd]

I like the refreshed looks of the Colorado but give me that Rivian.

[@luisa.7021]

10:40 reminds me of the hummer ev. Dead stop with wheels loaded it kinda struggles to get going without less resistance or without a momentum. Interesting.

[@rubicon4wheeler]

I'm not just picking on the Rivian; this video clearly illustrates how on-road biased all of these new electric trucks are. Their 4-wheel independent suspension can't conform to the terrain, so trail rides become dangerously tippy as tires lift into the air; those same airborne tires provide zero traction. Independent wheel driving systems such as the Rivian's 4-motor setup don't allow proper apportioning of torque from the tires without traction to the ones with traction, and because the systems rely on wheel speed sensors to determine traction needs, lots of out-of-control wheelspin is needed before the AWD system can figure itself out. All that wheelspin makes it hard to control vehicle speed, and the spinning tires tear up our trails and cause erosion and siltification of waterways, which is just another reason the anti-access environmentalists use as an excuse to close our public trails. This video shows why even the crappiest of differential lockers are vastly superior to the fanciest of software-based traction control systems. It would be great to make a similar comparison run up the trail with a Jeep Gladiator Rubicon - with its soft, slinky, coil-sprung, solid-axle suspension front and rear (enhanced with a disconnecting front sway bar), a proper pair of selectable differential lockers, and a locking 4:1 transfer case for true speed control and near-infinite wheel torque to work with, it would literally idle up these obstacles effortlessly with all 4 tires firmly planted on the ground for stability and not a hint of wheelspin. It comes down to buying the right tool for the job. If you want a nice car to drive on the street but also want an open pickup bed in back so you look cool at your kid's soccer practice, the Rivian nails it. If you want to have actual offroad ability, a Jeep Gladiator Rubicon or Ram 2500 Power Wagon are much, much better choices. If those are too "trucky" for you, a Chevrolet Colorado ZR-2 (Bison) or GMC Canyon AT4X (AEV) are only hobbled by their car front suspension but still have the goods to perform off-road.

[@USUG0]

why Rivian can't implement with OTA a 4WD lock, by making all 4 motors spin at the same speed up to 30-50mph (with sluggish pedal travel), is really baffling.

[@jpi8726]

After that shit-show the Rivian put on going up the razor rocks, I’ll take a little tap on my rear diff.

[@GoSlowTaco]

These dudes are so invested in “clearance” u want travel, down travel at that. Clearance is not as important as most think

[@enz6312]

Why the hell doesn't the "Trail Boss" not have a proper skid plate!! Talk about penny pinching from the manufacturer.

[@infernoking7504]

1995 f250 military styled truck fully mechanical everything 4bd1t engine 6 speed manual solid axle front long travel coil spring front long travel rear leaf spring 33 inch tires can go up to 40 inch tires with my bigger fender flares 4.44 gears 150hp 323 ft pounds of torque 6,145.86 pounds. Total price $10,320.32 23 mpg city at 40 mph 28 mpg highway at 65 mph also runs on veggie oil

[@gearforexperiences]

Yeah but the truck is now 30 years old. I would bet a lot of money that you are not getting 28 mpg on 40s. and as much as solid axle is good for rock crawling, it drives terrible on the road with bumps and wide turning radius. Last but not least, I love stick shift but in the city it’s annoying.

[@infernoking7504]

@@gearforexperiences the 40s is for offroading normally runs 31s and I have coilovers in the front so it doesnt ride bad at all and its a single cab and I shortened the truck to f150 length of that year. $10k isn't alot for a truck that has all the modern stuff I want I just want a simple reliable truck Its been 20k miles and I have had 0 issues also people have wanted to buy it for 21k but this is my truck. Modern trucks are just junk ever since they started packing them with computers.

[@valuenija]

I haven’t had any electrical issues with my truck. So far I have almost 7000 miles on it and it seems to be working fine.

[@Greg-cu1zc]

What would happen if you put the $50k cost difference into upgrades for the Colorado? That would almost be ultra4 level modifications and the Colorado would drive over the Rivian.

[@tazeat]

Why are you using OPD on the Chevy? It says its not even meant for steep or slippery stuff, sounds unnecessary on an ICE vehicle, but I've never used it.

[@ppoonjr]

With all the technology available, being able to analyze the terrain ahead of the vehicle, a 360 degree of view, why can’t the computer on the Rivian analyze all that data and then give the driver a scenario to follow?

[@whynot16384]

Rivian needs to go to a motion group and have them show Rivian how to synronized motors. It would be just as good as a mechanical locker, you would see no slip of the wheels in the air. one wheel would be the speed master from the foot pedal and the rest would follow the speed master. It works well just not perfect for 90K.