Comparing Bryan Johnson's RAPAMYCIN DATA: INTERESTING RESULTS

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The Optispan Podcast with Matt Kaeberlein

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@epigeneticnerd4244 3 ай бұрын

Hello Dr. Kaeberlein, physician here and love that you’ve started your own podcast. We would much rather listen to a PhD who studies this, than others. Keep it up and thanks for your work.

@optispan 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for your support @epigeneticnerd4244! - Tara

@bill9989 3 ай бұрын

Thanks Matt. Your podcasts are invaluable. I'm a 74 year old male, in very good health. I've been taking rapamycin for 12 weeks, 5 mg once per week. No negative side effects except that last week, I got a mouth sore. Not pleasant. Its starting to subside but today is my rapa day and i don't know whether to take it or allow a one week lapse. I'm leaning to take it. I'll come back here to provide an update.

@worldtraveler691 3 ай бұрын

Im 78 and have taken rapa for 7 years straight without more than 1-2 wks vacation. The proper thing to do when you get a mouth sore is to reduce dose 1 mg. This is suppose to be the optimum dose. Go to 4 mg wk., and later can try 5 or more and see if you still get mouth sores. Mouth sores have been my side-effect over the years and is very useful for detecting when you might be getting into the area of inhibiting Tor2 vs Tor1.

@bill9989 3 ай бұрын

@@worldtraveler691 Thank you for that advice. After posting my comment, i decided to skip this week's dose. However, thanks to you, I'm going to take a reduced dose. I'll reduce it by 2 mgs for a dose of 3mgs and see how that goes. As I said, the sore is subsiding and hopefully it will heal very shortly. Fingers crossed for no new sores.

@bobbobson4030 3 ай бұрын

@@worldtraveler691 How do you know that mouth sores = mTORc2 inhibition?

@juicebox853 3 ай бұрын

@@bill9989 Have either of you had a significant increase in cholesterol or blood sugar from rapamycin?

@bill9989 3 ай бұрын

@@juicebox853 Negative to both. But I've only been on it for 12 weeks and have only one post rapamycin blood test (7 weeks after starting). I'm due for another blood test so I'll update this post after I get the results. P.S. I also take metformin (not diabetic nor pre DB) so that may keep my glucose in check.

@ryan_the_red_4907 3 ай бұрын

Excellent episode. Commenting on Bryan, sharing your detailed data, acknowledging possibility of side effects… please keep this up 🙌

@kaceeboxers3580 3 ай бұрын

Very interesting observations and data points. Thanks for making yourself a test subject and reporting all results. I am a type 1 diabetic and use an insulin pump. Recently switched to steel cannulas as the thin plastic tubing on the previous ones, kept bending when I inserted and was receiving zero insulin. Have no clue where it went, but clearly not in my body. I am allergic to various metals so was concerned the steel cannulas might cause inflammation/infection. Thankfully no issues and great insulin delivery. I too can get cavalier about sterilization and after hearing your story, possible rapamycin influence or not, I will be more cautious. Also have a CGM, a dexcom, and have yet to be brave enough to insert in my upper arm. Will eventually overcome my hesitation. Thanks for your podcasts, your channel should grow rapidly. Your delivery of information is detailed yet concise. Also like how you present the human aspect, not grandizing the results. All the best to your dogs skin infection. I had a Boxer girl who would scratch herself raw under her armpits and generally itched everywhere. UF small animal clinic tested her and prescribed weekly injections. I instead took her to a naturopathic vet I also use, and with weekly ozone treatment, a few TCM herbs and weekly acupuncture, her system responded and we never dealt with breakouts again. We also limited her vaccinations (titer tested), put her on raw food diet and added digestive enzymes and probiotics, Quercetin and a few other supplements.

@NicholasOdinson 3 ай бұрын

I’ve been impressed with your discipline when it comes to nutrition and exercise! 9.9% 🚀

@Yankindc 3 ай бұрын

Your transparency is appreciated. Tacrolimus metabolism pathways must have been reported in the lead-up to the drug being approved. If the pathways of Rapamycin metabolism are known, then it ought to be possible to test the "fast metabolizer" hypothesis with a genome test. Do we even know if cytochrome P450 is involved? There are so many possibilities to explain the rather large discrepancies with the published half-life.

@Larsonaut 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the explanation of the infection. Sounds reasonable and not that concerning for rapamycin considering that it had a lot of time to develop an infection..

@HvdHaghen 3 ай бұрын

Mice in a trial are kept in very sterile conditions. Could it be that rapamycin makes the immune system less active, and that the longevity of those mice is caused by less collateral damage in the body afflicted by a part of the immune system?

@mattherdpodiatry 3 ай бұрын

Anecdotal - I was taking 5mg once per week. Week 5 I ended up with bacterial pneumonia, had to take several different antibiotics...all of which ended up leading to an autoimmune condition called myasthenia gravis. Anecdotal but im not sure its as benign as we think. Does it your immunity substantially?

@noemigil2509 3 ай бұрын

Hi Mat, I have been taking rapamycin since 11 November 23. I am taking 6mg and my weight is 67 (177cm tall). My HDL went from 65 to 81. I have listen Nir Barzilai saying that centenarians have a mutation that makes them have very high HDL (80 plus). Do you think that would be wise to say that rapamycin mimics centenarians phenotype?

@juicebox853 3 ай бұрын

Interesting. I am concerned about the possible LDL increase.

@noemigil2509 3 ай бұрын

@@juicebox853 I don’t think you need to worry about that. I am tracking other friends with rapa and we all reduce our LDL.

@szghasem 3 ай бұрын

Thanks Dr. Kaeberlein for sharing your experience. Not medical advice, but what are your thoughts about hair transplant while taking weekly Rapamycin? Could it inhibit survival of transplanted hair follicles or help their survival rate? It becomes a challenge deciding on things like vaccines, dental implants and other medical procedures; should one continue or take a pause ...

@karlpk3907 3 ай бұрын

Matt, three comments/questions. First in the iTP experiments, or in Joan Mannick’s work, did those activities track half lives of Rapa? If so those numbers would seem to be more realistic in describing the half life of a low dose pulsed usage. Second, your CGM issue had to be the source of your infection. Did Rapa make it worse? Who knows, but I bet not. Third, I think the comment below about whether a blood marker is really the way to see if Rapa is being non-active may point to the issue - maybe Rapa is taken up by the cells where it does its real work in inhibiting MTor1, and there’s no way i would think to come up with a measurable number there.

@salobaid9652 3 ай бұрын

Hi Matt.Good and honest information.Regarding your skin infection it has nothing to do with rapamycin.the infection was localized due to introduction of bacteria through the application process either from fingers contamination or the bacteria was already present on the skin.your immunity kept the infection localized without penetration into the deep tissue, or dissemination into the blood stream causing bacteremia.The bacteria likely to have been MRSA which causes local painful abscess.Clindamycin was the appropriate drug for this though I prefer TMP /Sulfa witch has less microbiome disturbing effect, C Diff etc. If your dog has recurrent skin infection with MRSA it will be difficult to eliminate from the house including furniture items etc . Culture of one of the infected areas on the dog can help identify the bacteria. If any household get skin infections again it is important to culture it and treat it with TMP/ sulfa asap before culture results. It is important to wash hands good before cleansing the skin during Libre 3 application.

@poussincolator 3 ай бұрын

Does the dog get the rapamycin ?

@tracyc9413 Ай бұрын

@optispan Hi Matt, I would love to know what you are doing dietarily to reduce your body fat? Also, curious if your dog is on Rapamycin and if during your infection treatment if you stopped the Rapamycin? Great epidode! Thanks!

@juicebox853 3 ай бұрын

Matt, Bryan took the Rapamycin with olive oil which has been shown to flatten the peak and extend half life. Could you please share your protocol? Empty stomach?

@user-bh5er5me2p 3 ай бұрын

A correct discussion of half life has to separate initial half life from terminal half life. Rapamycin is known to have a fast initial half life and a long terminal half life. The *terminal* half life is reported in the literature as 63 hours. The initial half life is much shorter than this. It is not correct to calculate the terminal half life from the initial peak at 2 hours. You must wait for the initial transient spike to settle and reach a steady state first. The dynamics of that initial transient spike give the initial half life, not the terminal half life.

@jeffclarknd8518 3 ай бұрын

Your half life assay is for blood clearance. Is Labcorp assessing all the main blood components, RBC, plasma and serum for rapa content? Are the published 63 hour half life values using the same assay? Body clearance is going to take longer than blood clearance because rapa goes intracellular. With a small dose shouldn't we expect rapa to disappear from the blood into cells rather quickly? The full picture on rapa half life with low doses still feels fuzzy without knowing specifics on some of these details.

@DavisonVideo 3 ай бұрын

I took one dose and could tell its effects persisted for at least 6 weeks. It is POTENT, as least for me.

@dutchtowner 3 ай бұрын

Could your dog’s skin infection issues be related to rapamycin use?

@Biohacker24 3 ай бұрын

It would be interesting to hear if before you started the course of rapamycin you were gaining muscle between DEXA scans. If you were gaining muscle and that slowed when starting the rapamycin that could mean it was still having an impact on lean mass.

@theluckyman74 3 ай бұрын

I had a heart transplant 24 years ago and rely wanted to go on Rapaa but heard cuts take forever to heal my original cut also took very long to heal. Original I was also on steroid for 6 months. For your dog healing problem maybe try medical honey and quality Kiefer Also check d3 levels zinc and Thyroid problems also Parathyroid disease

@jamesgilmore8192 3 ай бұрын

Looking at the rapamycin decay figure its possible the decay of serum levels are biphasic. In the case of Bryan Johnson it could decay quickly and then more slowly and could be very similar to yours Matt, just shifted with the higher dose. Increased temporal sampling would resolve.

@netizencane3717 2 ай бұрын

Is the difference in half life just a result of differences between off-label vs organ transplant-specific dosage? Pharmacokinetics are not always dose-linear.

@lucycooper55 3 ай бұрын

Does anyone know of research or studies that monitor a continuous low dose like I do at 1mg 2x /week ? I always wonder if it’s doing any good at a consistent intake without any rest periods or “pulsing” 🤔

@planchancho 2 ай бұрын

78 taking Rap once a week. Should it be taken daily instead to smooth out the decline in potency?

@spinningaround 3 ай бұрын

Is it good for treating Dupuytren's?

@jansimons1475 3 ай бұрын

Sirolimus lowers the immune system so transplant pts do not go through organ rejection. The combo of not cleaning the CGM site and skin bacteria in addition to lowered immune system response, led to your bacterial infection.

@epigeneticnerd4244 3 ай бұрын

😂 guy, you do realize he’s one of the main scientists studying rapamycin right? You thinking it doesn’t know what it’s used for and its effect on the immune system?? You’re also repeating what he already said in the video

@user-bh5er5me2p 3 ай бұрын

Matt, you are not measuring the terminal half life of rapamycin correctly. You can see from the points on your graph in the video that you are actually measuring the initial transient spike at the very beginning. The dynamics of that initial spike characterize the initial half life of the drug, not the terminal half life. The 63 hours quoted in the literature is the terminal half life, not the initial half life. Rapamycin has a short initial half life. You need to wait for that transient to settle and reach a steady state. Then you can start measuring the terminal half life. Please also see my previous comment below.

@juicebox853 3 ай бұрын

Well, when you do something, share your results.

@user-bh5er5me2p 3 ай бұрын

Some drugs like rapamycin follow a *biphasic elimination*. First a short steep spike, and then a slow steady decline. This is fairly common in pharmacology. The relevant half life for dosing is the slow steady decline. Not the spike. Please consult a standard pharmacology textbook on biphasic elimination.

@ZoeyKs 3 ай бұрын

Metformin makes it easier to lose weight, too, at least for someone with metabolic dysfunction, which I'm sure I had as a very overweight, out of shape, post-menopausal woman. Metformin was like flipping a switch on my metabolism.

@xmonikerhotmailcom Ай бұрын

Whole plant diet works to keep body at optimal weight

@blkshk2466 3 ай бұрын

🔥🔥

@PaulBeauchemin 3 ай бұрын

Why blame rapamycin for infection when you stuck yourself without sterilization of the area?

@squamish4244 Ай бұрын

The medical community's resistance to this is unfortunate.

@sirfuxalot3315 3 ай бұрын

Did MATT say his dosage?

@worldtraveler691 3 ай бұрын

8 mg wk

@sirfuxalot3315 3 ай бұрын

@@worldtraveler691 thanks

@bruceharney 3 ай бұрын

Is a shorter half life beneficial?

@optispan 3 ай бұрын

We don't know at this point. - Tara

@lumanliu8457 3 ай бұрын

I think it usually means that they are cleared quicker out of the blood via kidney or liver. But I am thinking could it also mean that they are absorbed into the cells better in some cases. The only way to find it out is to have an intracellular rapa test.

@MsElaine122 3 ай бұрын

Bryan probably is taking berberine, peperine both block that P??? pathway. Something to look into Bryans stack. Good luck. Libre 3 is great, better.

@Samucacamilo Ай бұрын

Sharing my data too: I am taking 6mg once a week. At 24h I was at 1.8ng/ml. At 6 days I was non-detectible.

@TheRobbo613 3 ай бұрын

Not using the ‘sterile’ wipe not related to infection. There was a UK study on childhood IM vaccinations alternating sterile isopropyl alcohol wipes with no wipe in 50000i kids and the local infection rate for both groups was the same …zero.

@jozefwoo8079 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing. That's really interesting. Upon further investigation I read this "However, the study was insufficiently powered to detect a difference in the primary outcome of skin infection. Due to the limitations of the study it is difficult to draw sound conclusions of whether alcohol swabbing reduces infection rates compared to no swabbing." Also, this is different, he kept the cgm on the wound which could act as an ideal environment for bacteria to grow. I'm also fairly sure those kids in the study were not expired to dogs with skin infections during the vaccination.

@in2caffeine 3 ай бұрын

I think a few grams of taurine would get at least similar benefits without the downsides, cost or hassle.

@jozefwoo8079 3 ай бұрын

OK. I'll take your word for it