Comparing how boy and girlgroups are treated in Kpop

[@tergitaademaj602]

Double standards have entered the chat... but wait they never left to begin with

[@a1y0n_]

Tergita Ademaj that confused me holdup

[@tergitaademaj602]

Namjins_aunt what exactly was confusing bout that

[@am-gg9vs]

When BoA has to wait 18 years for a lightstick. After saving sm from bankruptcy

[@eri6984]

SM started making ls this year.

[@hazahae]

IKR it’s disgusting

[@aguhera]

exozen ! PERIODT

[@yuqimousse2553]

SM better get their shit together, or I'm sending a BoA over to bite them.

[@helloworld-sl2lw]

Sm is barely starting to give their artists official lightsticks tho it's not just her

[@deemstarxox1778]

Kai: shirtless sexy dancing to love shot everyone: SO HAWT Hwasa: twerks everyone: WE NEED THE HOLY WATER

[@pinkcru]

If I see Hwasa, Jessi, HyunA, and Hyolyn twerking I'm gonna fangirl until I die

[@deemstarxox1778]

Daolina we love a supporter

[@pinkcru]

@@deemstarxox1778 I gotta support my Queens

[@deemstarxox1778]

Daolina dont we all

[@shroomiiik2312]

because kai is a male and most of the kpop audience are heterosexual women. of course they will find kai hawt, but the twerking is too much for a heterosexual woman. i am a fanboy and i like the twerking hwasa does. but heterosexual kpop fanboys are a minority. and i am an army. BOY BTS STAN.

[@rianditawiratri2932]

Same with feminism, irene read a book abt it n she got criticize so bad until she had to apologize but when male idol mention feminism they usually got praises. THAT IS SO NOT FAIR!!!!😡

[@forestdump7399]

i remember hearing that someone burned a photo of Irene just because they heard she read a "feminist book"

[@kmasood100]

seriously?! that's SO INSANELY messed up. that makes me so mad...

[@angelbarajas9180]

Idc although I think feminism is TRASH and I'm an anti-feminist but wtf 🤦

[@kmasood100]

@@angelbarajas9180 firstly, just curious, or you a guy or girl? secondly, why? i hope you realize feminism is about empowering woman and treating males and females equally. a lot of people misunderstand thinking it's bringing men down but no, it's helping women up so they can be treated equal. i don't understand why you think feminism is trash. do you believe women shouldn't have rights? are we not too human beings? i'm sorry i don't mean to sound rude but i'm just genuinely curious and confused as to why that is your opinion.

[@emimiiii13]

@@angelbarajas9180 do even know what feminism means?

[@wiktoriapodbielska6145]

female idols deserve better, tea

[@swrikaarya2305]

They get what they deserve....and same is for the boy groups

[@ДаняТаргарян]

@@swrikaarya2305 They get constant hate and are treated badly by sexist society = thats what they deserve?????????????????

[@caqui1993]

@@swrikaarya2305 what...?

[@astraeanatsuki3231]

Wiktoria Podbielska female groups deserve equal to what boy groups deserve, THATS THE REAL TEA

[@hyucktrash7398]

Winwin deserves better

[@dounm9513]

What makes me laugh is that kpop makes us forget that while korea is a very developped country, it's still have a lot of sexism, racism, misogyny, homophobia and patriarchy is kinda extreme there. Yeah the kpop glitter is just covering up all that

[@faith8953]

Thank you! It honestly kind of enrages me when i see american comments talking about " i want to live in korea" when they do not know the half of shit that goes on because they are so hyper focused on kpop

[@aeronnerezza9929]

@@faith8953 not only Americans

[@aeronnerezza9929]

@@faith8953 not only Americans

[@narsis273]

This is actually something happening in other industries in developed countries! Look at Hollywood, fox news and bbc scandals. A bunch of rspist, pedophiles, womanizers ruling the industry!

[@justcupcakeaka]

i honestly think it’s because no ones really fighting to change things there, because it’s been hidden by kpop and other popular things, which means only little amounts of people know about it

[@mayuhmetal]

Wonho is SHIRTLESS ON STAGE, head lines be like : “Wonho gains fans and spices up Monsta X’s performance!” Hwasa wears a tight body suit : “Hwasa sparks controversy over racy outfit” ... (just to make this clear - they’re okay with saying wonho’s body will be used as a marketing tool to get clout but when Hwasa wants to express herself its controversial. it’s sexist to both woman AND men)

[@kunsshoe5546]

People really need to stop double standards...

[@bloombloompow5260]

@@kunsshoe5546 ikr I hate it. like no hate to guys I'm a guy and all but this I equality is just too much. music should be something that makes both the artist and the fans happy (a kind of therapy) not a manufactured as fuck competition between petty CEOs

[@TheCottonCandy707]

If this isn't true

[@ДаняТаргарян]

Sexist at its finest

[@kyanni._9010]

People hated on both wonho and hwasa sayingg that their only good at stripping.

[@cinnamorzii]

I think girl groups need more appreciation honestly they put up with so much bs

[@Sajirah]

Preach. Anytime I end up talking to a fellow kpop fan they ask me which boy group I'm into. And then they get this look on their face when I say I'm more into girl groups. Like, come on now. Girl groups are awesome. Those girls work just as hard as their male counterparts (and often even seem to put up with twice as much shit).

[@cinnamorzii]

Ariel Hunt yes omfg!

[@piinkksnow]

@@Sajirah im so greatful that the few of the kpop friends i have enjoy both boy and girl groups 💕

[@lynn-gc8sq]

AMEN.

[@kpopreact1929]

I’m sorry but are we gonna ignore that every group is gonna deal with shit anyways. No matter gender :)

[@ferrari_9870]

One thing I hate is that boy groups or guys in general will get to produce their own music but girl groups usually never get to.

[@PushpaKumari-ml8ub]

I never thought that F***ing shameful

[@aoifecoffey]

Yeah! So annoying!

[@tiff-anypaper3375]

Twice is the only girlgroup that I know who produces there own b side songs...

[@user-jv1qk4qf4f]

TIFF-ANY PAPER Mamamoo too

[@ruchikala]

**Soyeon and TWICE have entered the chat**

[@XxxXxLaCiexXxxX]

something I’ve noticed too, is women bringing down other women. Most boy group stans are girls, and the people that tend to slam female idols are also typically, female. I’ve seen female boy group stans shun cute concepts, or gg’s all together for being “slutty” etc. TRYING to justify it but lets be honest, it’s really just the culture of women being threatened of other women, the need to bring other girls down to feel better about yourself. And it’s something I’ve noticed for years in the kpop community and in life in general. Not all boy group stans obviously, but it’s there and present.

[@laon303]

?????????? I'm honestly not sure about this point, maybe it's true in most places I guess. The only exposure I've had to Kpop fans are in my highschool (which is pretty liberal for a Korean highschool) and girls are much more into female idols (in a healthy way) than guys. Vice versa too for the most part.

[@rob4ctwo]

@@laon303 please don't let yourself ruin that image by going on stan twitter. people go feral there over the smallest things i swear, especially when girl groups do anything when a boy group is nearby

[@eaglechild4661]

Laon check KZbin and comments. This person is talking about people in general, not people in your high school.

[@eaglechild4661]

Salsa Bila But it’s korean culture.

[@louisabuhagiar8867]

Me personally, I don't like the cute concept on both gg and bg. BUT I don't go saying bad stuff about them. If that particular group has a good song I'll stream the heck out of it. For example I don't really like NCT Dream's concept but We Go Up is such a good song.

[@lol-jb4eo]

i also feel like nobody discusses how overworked red velvet is, it’s like they never stop performing

[@WonderKingE]

This really bothers me!! People forever tell Twice to go rest when Red Velvet has literally released something every other month.

[@_PutriRiangAtika]

Yeahh they are overworkedds SM !! Let them resttt .... poor my girlsss 😩

[@andreaisabelmiranda3619]

please let them rest😭

[@lana-ef5hw]

and then people complain about their stage presence like they aren’t tired (i know other idols are tired and overworked as well) but they act like red velvet performs like that for no reason

[@Andrea-rc1gz]

On top of that people always make fun of Irene’s age calling her a old lady when she’s still in her 20’s and there are older male idols that don’t get made fun of

[@larasmith3695]

I think that girl groups deserves much more .. 1) they dance hard choreographies while being on there monthly cycle ... 2) they dance in high heels 3) while wearing short/ thight cloths 4) fear of exposing something that they don't want to like COME on !

[@larasmith3695]

@Waste Ofspace thx

[@Yes-bl7mp]

they take pills to stop them from having their periods actually

[@larasmith3695]

@@Yes-bl7mp isn't it unhealthy??

[@Yes-bl7mp]

@@larasmith3695 I believe it would be since it's natural for women to go through it, but they take pills so they never have to worry about getting blood on white clothes or any clothes. I think the pills stop the cramps as well so they aren't in any physical pain. Idk tbh

[@larasmith3695]

@@Yes-bl7mp i also dont know

[@amandae3445]

Boy group: takes off shirt, air humps, grinding everywhere Kbs: whats the problem guys? Girl group: hip thrusts 3 times whole song Kbs: woAh slow down there thats really sexual and we wont allow it too suggestive thank you next.

[@opinionation571]

*_True_*

[@maiseree1511]

What do you think of the KBS community Hyuna and Jessi: I don't respect them, they ain't me *proceeds to confidently flaunt off hot body*

[@harini3011]

AIR HUMPS, GRINDING EVERYWHERE LMAO

[@TaYLoRBReaKouT]

Its not just kbs or the kpop industry its most of the times the fans and haters

[@kunsshoe5546]

Soooooooo friken truuuuuuue

[@radio9012]

"sometimes sm puts people in the basement" cough cough f(x)

[@abdulwadood3870]

And YG's artists are there 24/77

[@itsanna3rih]

lev FX couldn’t CB bc of VICTORIA but individually they had CB s ... so what are you talking about....

[@Tony-ff4dg]

True

[@x_astrid_x]

F(x) members are clearly doing their individual activities unlike some yg solists/groups

[@maddybg]

Atleast they have some individual activities unlike YG.

[@marycoolyes]

As a boygroup stan, I completely agree with this.

[@han-fq1si]

You’re missing out on much

[@liete-sl2wg]

Agreed

[@Vogelfreie.]

Same

[@Asmaa_9052]

Yup, agree.

[@sufiya6322]

I do to

[@amandalopes3048]

the thing about sexualization, as you said, we see that male sexualization is seen as a normal thing, but we can forget that there are boys that are not legal out there singing about sex (sm made nct dream sing drippin', a song that made one of the members really uncomfortable to sing it). but of course girls are tretated way worse, every concept that a girlgroup do is over sexualized, even gfriend's cuteness is a thing that is made to make a bunch of older military man scream their brains out, girlgroups are never safe in any concept, some people see as """empowering"" but let's think about stellar, and how the girls were desperate to quit the group and the concept that they were forced into but fans just kept ignoring and screaming "yes queens" to everything they did

[@jollyrancherchick]

Not only are some of the boys not legal, but they also dress them in womens clothing. So many male idol groups have been put in female clothes it's crazy. In example, Vixx has worn everything from school girl uniforms, tights and heels, to slinky black dresses, super form-fitted frilly tops and stuffed bras with wigs. I've seen some of them trying to hold their skirt down when dancing so they don't accidentally show their underwear. They were put in the same terrible situation as some female idols. But let's be honest. If the girls do a sexy concept, people complain because it's "over sexualized". If that same girl group did a cute concept, people complain because they're not being "taken seriously", they're trying to attract older men, or the concept was too "girly and immature". Let me tell you, plenty of female fans love when their fav girl groups do cute and girly concepts. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground for some people. What kind of concept would make everyone happy? I personally enjoy both sexy and cute. I mean, music is music and if the music is good, I'm there.

[@Maneater1206]

I full heartedly agree both sides are bad but girls had it harder because they’re dESperATe!

[@Maneater1206]

jollyrancherchick maybe girl crush????

[@panner11]

Aside from the underage issue, the problem isn't that the concepts are oversexualized. Kpop is probably less sexualized overall than the majority of pop music industries. All the problems come from the fact that idols don't have any control. There are plenty of idols who are comfortable with sexier concepts than they are doing, and plenty of idols who aren't comfortable. But neither have any pull in deciding what concept they will do. It's part of the larger problem of workers rights in Korea.

[@Maneater1206]

panner11 YASSS!!!

[@uonlosudlq3316]

It gets me so triggered how much girl groups are sexualized. 😡😡

[@blackpinkslave9969]

Non BIG3 GG's need to attract the Males somehow.

[@cookiesandcream8524]

What about bg though? Are'nt they sexualized too??

[@Sooyarubyno.1lili_blink]

@@cookiesandcream8524 not as much as the girls

[@cookiesandcream8524]

@@Sooyarubyno.1lili_blinkit's literally so normalized stop with your fake feminism both Male and female idols does'nt deserve to be oversexualized they are so many creepy fangirl out there but i guess you won't care about it

[@mia-vv6fm]

I remeber when a male idol danced "lazily" a few times but everyone ingored it or made it a joke like "oh him dancing is sooo funny" but then when jennie does it..

[@8luvbug]

Top right?

[@sufiya6322]

Jennie was never lazy....stop saying that

[@kalylah.adisty6272]

Lmao here's the differences: Male idols: dance "lazily" (They're probably tired) People: "lmao such a mood" "That's cute" "You should rest well 😭" Hashtag #(names)youareperfect every where Jennie: *dance with her energy as much as she can while having a leg problem for a whole year People: "she shouldn't be an idol" "Oop someone's getting fired🤭" Hashtag #firedjennie everywhere

[@slendercnpsucks.gocryabout3984]

@@kalylah.adisty6272 yeah ik yeah sad but true lets just ignore haters and love Our faves

[@basantasenabiswas9459]

@@sufiya6322 she isn't and she never will be it's just what the controversy was named

[@penguinlovescub]

OMFG I hate whenever I watch mamamoo live performance I see a comment like "i would stan them but they are racist" when he/she was literally stanning that have done racist thing too like tf

[@maryborg8412]

What did mamamoo do that was seen as racist? Not denying it I'm just curious.

[@mariaclaudiadiogenes8377]

@@maryborg8412 they did black face, but they did apologize

[@binkbonkie2820]

it sucks because they actually genuinely apologized for being ignorant and even said that they were ignorant

[@liaminkorea1770]

I want to ask kpop fans. Are most of you such degenerate SJWs? I don't have a problem with liberalism but I see the kpop fanbase being used as a "safe space" and a breeding ground for cringey PC culture. It's one thing to call out ignorance but to ruin someone's career or harp on it forever is a typical of a social justice keyboard warrior.

[@mcd2.061]

@@maryborg8412 if you are still interested here is a thread for the things that actually happend mobile.twitter.com/mmmbluey2/status/964750798256140288?lang=de And here is a thread for the things they never get praised for mobile.twitter.com/_ritasma_/status/1083852623378300929 So decide for yourself🤷🏽‍♀️

[@ashullu]

i was just watching a video of a boy group reacting to a girl groups performance on an awards show. they werent even looking at them, they were literally doing their own thing. fans commented about how cute and clueless they were. now imagine a girl group doing this. they would get so much hate. like remember how people hated krystals bitchface or momoland looking at others in a weird way/not bowing. how is that any different?

[@williamhutchinson7]

if that was BTS reacting to GFRIEND, it understandable they are like a brother sister group, everytime BTS reacts to much towards them, a scandal gets started so they toned it right down to protect their sisters, because we all know in kpop, the girl gets blamed first

[@whenthe8810]

@@williamhutchinson7 But this comment didn't mention BTS at all... also, girl groups are almost never given this type of excuse either?

[@ellcally508]

@@williamhutchinson7 You're proving her point right. Your oppas could do no wrong, I guess.

[@williamhutchinson7]

@@ellcally508 it would appear that way, in the idol world, tho the idols themselves are doing their own thing it seems certain fandoms get highly upset,

[@ViickyGar]

Yes but momoland were wrong when they didn't bow. Same with Nancys very weird look

[@rinnaxworkit365]

Not being offensive but South Korea need to realize it’s 2019 especially music companies🙄🙄

[@taehyungoppa7208]

YESSSSS

[@st1jj235]

2021 now and nothing changed sis😔

[@clairemariefergley]

EXACTLY!!!

[@Theamazingplacetobe]

It’s also waaay more common for companies to allow boy groups to actually participate in the creation of their music (eg lyrics, producing, choreography etc) like blease let yo girls make some sick beats I’m begging you

[@anasuri6414]

skksks ikr

[@aratiwarrier4576]

Ikr. The only recent (3rd gen) female producers that I've seen are: LE (EXID) Mamamoo (G) -idol

[@aislingdraconicus825]

I KNOW RIGHT?? that's why i stan the HECK outta g-idle and mamamoo for their songs bcs those girls put some of themselves into it and it SHOWS (cough cough soyeon is my BIAS)

[@hangyuI]

Pristin is self-composed but their company hates them lmao they haven't had a comeback in 500 days

[@milicamilosavljevic5563]

*coughs* YG with Blackpink

[@queenelizabethwho1478]

I find it really annoying..They even banned Exid ICONIC THRUST FROM TV..But boys can grasp they’re crotch for a full minute without anything happening.Its gotten so bad that only ONE boy group got they’re danced banned e.e

[@caitlinyang3752]

YES ! But Amazing Bad Lady was really too much

[@Melaugo]

The same Boy group (Crossgene) that did that dance also danced to a banned girl group dance to show double standards in the industry !

[@aislingdraconicus825]

YES I KNOW MY GODDD

[@sunmiswashingmachine]

OMG YES!! gg can't even move their hip too much and the dance gets already banned but guys can grind on things, grind onto the air and all those stuff

[@Garciai-lp4jd]

Jiheon's Wife SAME omfg

[@jensoochaelisa1847]

I also noticed like for example bts's suga and Blackpink's Jennie when Suga is savage it comes off as cool and when Jennie does acts savage it comes off as rude like what

[@slavoligtas5334]

Jensoo Chaelisa IKR

[@yvxiiao]

I know right

[@mimic74]

I'm sorry but sometimes Jennie *is* rude

[@yvxiiao]

@@mimic74 i also can agree with that ._.

[@yumeko88]

oh my my my you got me flying so fast tell me a scenario where she was CLEARLY rude.

[@syarifafatimaha]

The thing about Hwasa outfit "incident" that make me rage the most is in that same night the "incident" happen, there's a boygroup whose one of the member ripoff his entire shirt, and he got famous for his hottnes while Hwasa was looked a s vulgar 😑😑 tf is wrong with netter.

[@casteelsimp3539]

Man Tbh I love Hwasa's exposing outfits. She obviously feels confident in them and she looks overall happy so y"all can shut up. If you don't like what you see you might as well just don't look at it.

[@sadie2287]

God bless RBW. I recon RBW are the only company that lest their groups do what they want. They have respect for their groups, he realises they are actually people and doesn’t treat them like puppets that get thrown away when he is bored with them Examples when Hwasa body suit, he said he was a bit shocked but he accepted it. Even Solar at the concert, she literally ripped her shirt off while on a podium, he did nothing but praise her Those girls who only Stan bg better not walk their way to Mamamoo, they do not need all the shit that comes out of their mouths. I love gg, I wish they got half the respect bg get

[@strawberrysana4497]

Even as a BG Stan I can see the extreme difference between the genders. GGs are hated on more, many companies mistreat GGs more, and many fans are less forgiving of GGs. For example Bom (IDK if that’s how you spell her name) from 2NE1 had rumors of smuggling drugs into Korea and YG did nothing to help her and even blamed her for the disbandment of 2NE1, but when one of his BGs are in trouble he rushes to help and protect him. GGs are on the rise so hopefully they can be more appreciated.

[@starsoos_]

President Namjoon yg doesn't help any of his groups at all period

[@JustMe-zc5qj]

@@starsoos_ So true, sadly 😕

[@kiwihyunz7452]

President Namjoon YG is like that for all his groups but I agree

[@blackpinkslave9969]

He was already planning to cut them off but he shamelessly used this as an excuse to accelerate the process. In the end his vision was correct, as Blackpink is vastly more profitable but he was mean imo.

[@JustMe-zc5qj]

@@blackpinkslave9969 BP is profitable but he mistreat them too and he could have both groups. YG have 3 boygroups and are planning to ad a new one (Treasure box or Treasure 13 Idk). YG's sexist, I said this one time but someone came up to me to defend YG. The fuck! This is so obvious tho, I stick with my opinion. YG is so damn sexist, Am not salty or anything I judge considering what happened and what is happening. Anyway kpop is sexist, the world is sexist. So no surprise 😑

[@anneshirleyduncan]

When I was in high school (in America) the majority of the school's money was spent on Football, (not soccer) boys basketball, wrestling, any other sports that the guys played. So we asked why isn't more money spent on girl sports?? We were nicely told that the guys sports brought in more money. That's why more money was spent on them. Which made us livid!! Sometimes the girls sports did better in the tournaments. That's probably the reason why the boy groups gets things before the girl groups. Because boys groups probably make the companies more money. It's about the money. 😔

[@blackpinkslave9969]

You are 100% correct and I'm glad I finally see someone who understands basic economics. 🖒🖒🖒

[@egz3637]

Lowkey, Kpop fanbase is majority females. And guess what, females are more attracted to boy groups. That is why.

[@d.b.9272]

@@egz3637 I know so many girls who are gg stans and boys who are bg stans

[@bobthetaco1057]

@@d.b.9272 but like statistically, I don't know of a pop boy group that has more male fans than female, while I know several female groups with more female fans than male, guys are just less into groups in general

[@JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo]

Well women athletes really will get less in sports than men because not many people are interested in women playing, you really shouldnt complain because the same thing happens to male models in the fashion industry, they get less from the female models as people are less interested in mens fashion. Although I do not understand why female idols in kpop get less when the industry really does need both men and women.

[@nadie-qm8rq]

I was waiting for a video like this, I'm not a girl group stan but I hate the fact that fans are always more rude to females idols than male idols, and always judge them for anything, there is so much double standards. Also I think that most companies don't let their females idols to create their own content as much as they do with boygroups.

[@89shunty95]

YeonKiMin stan I'm a boy group stan *cough cough* Army but I wish that people would protect girl group just as much as they protect boy groups

[@kawaiikawaii6400]

So twice debuted in 2015 and had no comebacks. Then they had 2 comebacks in 2016. They made their japanese debut and 5 korean comebacks in 2017. They had 5 japanese and 4 korean comebacks in the year of 2018. Basically in 2018 they had 9 comebacks, the same amount as in the other years combined. Edit: We also need to consider all the side tracks, and live performances. No matter how much they love working, literally Jeongyeon cried because they were overworked

[@alexandra_13.]

Thank God they got daesang 2018 in MAMA. You could see they cried out their frustration and over hard work. Many of the members got sick that year too. First half of 2018 they already did 3 comebacks + world tour. It's a good thing they had 2 weeks rest last month.

[@sadie2287]

Ikr, especially say Wonyoung and Yujin from Izone. If they ever get into a situation like that, they are going to be so ill. No 14 and 15 yr old should be working as much as they do already, if it get worse any time soon, I’m going to be extremely worried for the whole of izones health considering practically all of them are under their 20s

[@ChronicF]

This is so true. Look at the situation with poor Mina. They're working them WAY too hard to the point where she can't even perform due to anxiety

[@alexandra_13.]

@@ChronicF I know :(( Even Big Hit had BTS on 2 months hiatus right now because they needed it. JYPE cant relate, they like to squeeze every dollar out of TWICE.

[@liencendrawasih8058]

Fans defend boy idols if they do something really bad and serious, but fans bash or hate girl idols that barely smiles that much

[@blackpinkslave9969]

Blame women, they're basically 70-80 % of all Kpop fans.

[@blackpinkslave9969]

@@cosmiqueee Women make-up roughly 70% of the Kpop audience. And for the most part are responsible for the "double standards" people here are complaining about.

[@nurdamiasyahirah4129]

@@blackpinkslave9969 trueee and as a girl I feel really sad

[@wtf5749]

Blackpink Slave yup

[@sufiya6322]

Exaggerated no one Did this...

[@ubiquitous_star584]

Im always annoyed that Boy Groups are allowed more creative freedom in their music. Im glad companies like JYP are letting Twice write most of the tracks on their albums now. And Pledis let pristin write/compose their own stuff. But in almost every other company the girls arent allowed to write/compose their own songs. And even when they do they cant ever write about anything but love. Its so infuriating because im sure the girls would love to spread great messages too.

[@caitlinyang3752]

Now Pledis should let Pristin come back xD

[@SleepEludesMe647]

Pretty sure Mamamoo has some influence on their music (just not sure how much) and Solar makes her own songs (?). But other than that, it's disappointing that there are even boy groups that can produce from debut while girl groups have to keep waiting before being trusted with it.

[@needmeachillplaylistforstu3495]

@@SleepEludesMe647 moonbyul writes all (or almost all i don't remember) the rap parts of their music + wrote all the rap parts for their is2 performances. solar, hwasa and moonbyul are credit as writers for UOAY, taller than you, aze gag, decalcomanie, and yes i am.

[@goldyd144]

@@needmeachillplaylistforstu3495 EXID LE and HyunA also had a hand in writing. It was recently revealed that Jennie and Rose wrote some of Blackpink's songs (and weren't credited for it which is messed up). Sorn of CLC also contributes in writing. Soyeon of (G)-Idle wrote both their comeback tracks (and B sides), and her own solo material. Brave Girls wrote "Rollin" too. A small list, really. I'm just adding on what I can.

[@godisawoman4430]

@@goldyd144 i heard that jennie wrote stay but i don't know if that is true tbh, but jennie wrote the little rap in solo if im not remembering bad. she said that she has a book and she write lyrics there but yg never let them write or produce their music.

[@eleana1111]

companies dont know how to handle girlgroups tbh lmao even bighit decided to not have any girl trainees/groups bc of the scandals with their last one

[@riaminnie7059]

and we shouldn't complain about BH's decision

[@angelineoh6116]

but it's the boy groups who cause the most controversies. just look at all the scandals the 2nd gen boy groups have created. boy groups make more money than girl groups and money is all these companies care about. big hit included.

[@abigailherpahleviwibowo3225]

@@angelineoh6116 bighit is famous for their artist's or i say bts's clean scandal, they didnt want to add gg bc of their last one, they gave up on gg i think

[@angeloflight8364]

@@angelineoh6116 their first group was literally a gg though bts is only their second

[@MeiHeart1]

jeongguks yes we should cause they kept bts and make trainees even though BTS has been involved in scandals as well :))

[@MeiHeart1]

Girl groups scandals: Dating, Sexy Outfit. Boy groups scandals: Drugs, Raping, Sexual Assault. are y'all okay? lol (both gg and bg have been actively involved in racism and cultural appropriation but gg do get the MOST hate for it, so don't bring that up)

[@jadesomething5623]

@@ravenikon1261 uh have you seen the scandals going around? Seungri legit put girls up for prositution and the YG CEO used blackpink's tour concert to gamble... Then remember when Tzuyu from twice waved a Taiwan flag because she is from there? She had to fucking apologize for waving a flag which is where she was from... Equal treatment my ass.

[@supuwu5078]

@@jadesomething5623 I've never heard of the Tzuyu thing... are you kidding?! I'm a once and I am so annoyed now... how dare they hecking hurt our sweet lil kiwi >:O

[@jadesomething5623]

@@supuwu5078 ikr T^T. it was back in 2016 so they were only beginning their careers as idols. I only have a little knowledge since i started watching kpop this year but all I know is it caused controversy because she was waving around a flag of where she was from... she even had to make a video and apologize to them saying it was all her fault and shes very sorry. they are fucked in the head D: poor tzuyu had to face all that and she was just a teenager. politics man.

[@jadesomething5623]

lol did this raven dude delete his comment? oop i guess some things are best kept hidden if you aren't knowledgeable of things that happen in kpop.

[@cait3196]

gg dont get more hate for cultural appropriation.. Stay Kids Chan was literally told to leave his group to his face by fans at a fanmeeting.

[@yvonnestea6397]

I completely agree. Also, another example is that of Red Velvet's Irene. A fan asked her at a fanmeet what book she was currently reading or has read so she told her she read a book that fans later found out was supporting feminism. Nothing wrong with a female reading a book that empowers her own gender, right? Hah, not to these fans. "Fans" literally boycotted her and posting tweets of them burning her merchandise (they were mostly male fans lmao) and it was just so disgusting. Then Namjoon from BTS said in a Vlive that he read the exact same fucking book but did fans boycott him. Lmao nah, they praised him for caring about social issues. I'm not degrading what Namjoon has done and I'm glad he's a woke king however this is a clear example of how fucking double standardized the kpop fandom can be.

[@syarifafatimaha]

For your record, the fans who boycotting Irene are mostly her male fans, while RM in the other hand has many female fans, and even if there any male, they usually woke just like RM. Another problem is people in Korea think feminism just like Nazi, and who can blame them ? Its all because there's this really popular "feminism" webpage in Korea that in that webpage, they curse and disregarding men for doing everything (for example there's this article in this webpage that talk about a man who accidentally burn his dick and thousands of comment basically mock that man), this "feminism" webpage make a lot of people in korea (men especially) think wrongly about feminism, when feminism is actually only about equality and equity.

[@소피하]

Xlm 200 did this happen? No

[@mnightstar121]

when was this lmao?

[@manenwan]

​@@syarifafatimaha Modern feminism is skewed cause of toxic feminists who can't tuck their vag lips in I personally think feminism is a great thing and I do support it but the toxic ppl ruined it for the general public

[@laon303]

it's even worse expecially because of the different fanbases. IDK, but the kids I know who are fans of female idols are often very problematic themselves, while male idols have mostly female (and at least half-way decent) fanbases which... means that they treat the idols better. It's also a cultural thing In Korea I guess, because females performing are often frowned down upon while males performing are 'their own choice'.

[@iwillcry]

People are so biased against girl groups it hurts I stan mostly boy groups but at least i have the human decency to respect girl groups and have their backs when shit hits the fan

[@minvi152]

When Jennie didn’t do some of the moves properly A LOT of people were like “Oh she’s being lazy” and many people joined in But when male idols do it(not saying any names because I just saw this on a few posts) people just say they’e tired

[@queeneverglow5247]

@Zavulan Alexandra when was top lazy and bb hardly dance

[@queeneverglow5247]

@Zavulan Alexandra well he was on drugs so that explains that and jennie was lazy she didn't freestyle anything

[@mia-vv6fm]

@@queeneverglow5247 watch the zutter dance video then look at the comments then look at Jennie dancing "lazily" and look at the comments.

[@mia-vv6fm]

@Zavulan Alexandra Thank you!!

[@queeneverglow5247]

@@mia-vv6fm what do u mean??

[@lauram8591]

i think f(x) is also one of girl groups that has been most badly treated sm please release them from the basement i beg you

[@algonzalez6853]

Thats not because of their gender, it has to do with korean and chinese relations in the present

[@whenthe8810]

@@algonzalez6853 I agree, but SM hasn't so much as said anything about it and that's what I'm most upset about.

[@snehachoudhury5721]

@@algonzalez6853 But can they like give us a Lunber subunit comeback if Victoria can't come back to Korea? Krystal doesn't look very interested in the Kpop career so Luna and Amber can have a sub unit comeback

[@Sajirah]

Honestly at this point I'd just prefer the girls to wait until their contracts expire and then show SM the door. They're better off elsewhere at this point.

[@val-ci5fo]

@@snehachoudhury5721 uh, no Krystal herself said she misses dancing and performing on stage, and even leaving f(x) has never once crossed her mind (And never will), don't say false things

[@fleurdechevrefeuille]

bg: grinding, humping the air, basically doing stripper moves gg: gets banned for opening their legs a few inches too wide

[@mystrangeaddictiontotwice9098]

kim lee Bg: *Also sexually assaulting floors

[@fleurdechevrefeuille]

@Kristen Jinhmm, not really its overall standards

[@euphoria5244]

bAsIcAlLy DoIng sTrIpPeR mOvE yea this is commented at you bts ,ESPECIALLY park jimin

[@whydontwegetalife4207]

euphoria what are you coming at bts for- why do people constantly victimize women, even as a women myself i believe inequality exists but in the kpop industry, kpop fans CONSTANTLY victimize the women and believe that only women recieve criticism. bts constantly gets hated on and most kpop stans dont agknowledge how unfair bts is treated. this comment is so unnecessary and rude.

[@faith8953]

@@whydontwegetalife4207 because girls in kpop get more critism in general than boy groups, and are less praised and less PAID. You are probably american, and do not understand, but sexism is huge in korea. Its an issue worth talking about and discussing

[@srinidhimadurai5299]

kpop industry: women's rights movements: am i a joke to you?

[@anairaam]

The point about Namjoon and Mamamoo... preach, girl. I wish I could make people realize their own hypocrisy and double standards when it comes to this "cancel" culture.

[@mali-lf3lg]

what did namjoon do?

[@moondream459]

and what mamamoo did? i don't know what happened with them

[@ehmilyy]

I'm pretty sure this person is talking about when Namjoon said the n-word and armies came to his defense while one of the members of Mamamoo, Hwasa, said the n-word too, but people said that she was canceled. I'm pretty sure this happened because of miscorrecting song lyrics. They were both young, early 20's, and they have both apologized. People still bash Hwasa for saying the n-word, but, if someone tries to go after RM for saying, the n-word, fans will come to his defense.

[@isabelle.o]

Emi H rm said the n word but immediately apologised but i think Hwasa did too idk

[@ДаняТаргарян]

@@isabelle.o if you trying excuse one and cancel another, better cancel both or excuse both

[@areyoukirringmeirriyaa]

girls generation ad boa ( as ggs ) made sm rich, along with other groups. THEY DESERVE GODDAMN LIGHTSTICKS.

[@tinacake4914]

run a whole entertainment company for us please

[@armylol3364]

the double standards are real with this one. BTW you should see the case with STELLAR. The company basically forced them to do sexy concepts and a member was traumatized from a scene the company made her do in a music video. Pathetic, if you ask me.

[@middaylia5723]

ARMY Lol holy shit, I hope that member is okay (dont really know them sorry). Hope that company knows what they're doing

[@xImpacter]

@@middaylia5723 Thankfully they have disbanded now and are away from the company. A member recently revealed over 7 years they barely got paid $9000 each, the company didn't pay them what they should have then towards the end just stopped paying them altogether.

[@goldyd144]

The company also tried to send them to do porn in Japan without telling them. It was a crowd funding endeavor, so they had to beg their fans not to donate so they could get out of it.

[@armylol3364]

@@goldyd144 Ugh my hope in humanity is gone. The things the group must have been subjected to! The amount of hate they faced! sickening.

[@taragainey5900]

OpinionatedNatural D I haven’t heard of this but that’s insane!

[@andini7478]

SOME PEOPLE EVEN HATE GIRLGROUP JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE "GIRL". LIKE I MEAN WTF???

[@marisamary7]

Im like "Whoaaa ok youre hating your own Gender wtf"

[@Yuu-vk5sc]

suga is savage

[@rizwanamustafa506]

BEING SAVAGE DOESNT MEAN THAT U IGNORE UR MEMBERS .. (SUGA NEVER IGNORED NEITHER JENNIE) plz stop differentiating . and when did army SAID that GO SUGA GO IGNORE UR MEMBER(according to u)

[@yamacvlt]

Rizwana Mustafa exactly, we NEVER said for Yoongi to do so.

[@day6stan672]

Rizwana Mustafa nobody said anything about ignoring?

[@day6stan672]

Being BTS’ manager is hell but it’s okay yeah, but your fandom clearly is amused by it. Some people even encourage it.

[@yamacvlt]

violin freak yeah, SOME.

[@camila-xl5ko]

It really is a disgrace that they treat their gg like trash cuz when you look at it the top three companies best sellers are all girl groups smh

[@xarxi3241]

I find it very unfair that girlgroups are more sexualized than boygroups. They're forced into sexy concepts, and although some dance moves are banned, boys are allowed to hump the air all they want and move their hands anywhere they want I mean wth??? Also, in some boygroup songs they're literally singing about sexual things and their companies allow it, yet for girlgroups they sing about love and it's banned??? I do wish that girlgroups and boygroups can be equal one day. Idols can't make a living by sexualising themselves, both male idols and female idols. This needs to stop. Idols need a break.

[@T_Cup]

Totally agree with all this. To add, the problem with the concept of "the basement" is that artists who are locked in it are often seen as lazy. Yet take Blackpink for example. They're always on camera, filming for BP House or Diaries, doing CFs, travelling, showing up on variety shows, etc. They're working all the time, but they're not working on their actual jobs as musicians - so they're looked on as lazy and called 'models'. It's like no. They're also overworked, doing unnecessary side projects to generate as much money as their company can squeeze out of them in every single way except the one that actually counts. It's not their fault, and we all know this, but still people will say BP don't deserve wins because they don't work as hard as other groups. Um hello their entire lives are work.

[@kalylah.adisty6272]

Ikr

[@kaelenemslie]

I showed my female friend a different video about the double standards in kpop and she refused to watch it, saying there weren’t any double standards, and I was like ‘what? Whaaa?’ And then I showed my non-kpop friend the video and she agreed with me telling my other friend to watch and she still refused, I’m like ??? I prefer girl groups and she stand BTS, Stray kids and other boy groups and a couple girl groups but she just doesn’t see it, and I honestly think she’s a bit blind

[@ChaennieLisoo]

Funny thing was there was someone here in the comments who was denying all these issues and blaming on “statistics”, girl groups not writing their own songs so they don’t get comebacks and me being biased. Like oppression and sexism are not a real issues... Those kind of people are part of the problem.

[@kaelenemslie]

I agree, “statistics” have nothing to do with sexism and some people need to see it

[@monemori]

@@kaelenemslie For real, BoA is literally the reason SM exists to this day, as well as SNSD, yet they don't pay attention to them as singers, and individual persons, so much so that last year three memebers of SNSD decided to not renovate their contracts w SM for this reason... while they are one of the most successful groups SM has ever produced. Not to mention how famous blackpink are, even at an internationla level? And yet look at them. They don't even have an album out yet ffs. So "statistics" is not an argument and people who say that can suck my a$$ because in plenty of cases ggs bring more money to their companies than their male counterparts and still get treated badly >:/

[@laon303]

Right? I honestly stan female and male idols in equal capacity (by which I mean I have exactly one group of each gender that I like) and even though Dreamcatcher and Ateez are both pretty non-problematic I can still see the struggles Dreamcatcher faces bc they have a concept that's often more used by male idols (Dark, gothic, rock music)

[@jungkookslusheshair2641]

I think she's ignorant. She makes ARMY and BTS look bad. Like bitch, girl groups are clearly not favored. She should at least know that there is a problem.

[@hamsoka5571]

The KPOP community and honestly the Korean society needs a lot of reform. My friend who's Korean and I always talk about the problems within Korean society. Especially after the T.O.P marijuana situation and Jonghyun, we had very long talks about how we found what happened so devastating and how people in Korea reacted to these situations vs how people like us who grew up in the West reacted. I might be biased because marijuana is legal in my country and the school that I go to has been very supportive and open about mental health and making a safe place for students who are struggling. My whole life I've seen people around me struggle, I've struggled, and it's such a hard thing to go through especially if the society you are in isn't supportive and there's a huge stigma around it. In America, Demi Lavato overdosed on heroin or something like that, and she got so much love from fans and other celebrities talking about how hard addiction is and wishing her all the best and a fast recovery. But T.O.P smoked marijuana and could've gotten 10 years in prison and tried to commit suicide because of all the hate he got. It honestly shocked me when the whole situation went down. When the news first broke out the friend that I was talking about before, and I cried because we were obviously so upset. For us, at that specific time, there didn't seem to be any red flags, so it just popped out of the blue. What broke my heart, even more, is that Taeyeon had to promise her fans she wouldn't commit suicide herself. Whenever Taeyeon spoke about her depression, she got so much hate, and I'm so sure many idols including Jonghyun saw this and thought that will happen to me if I spoke out or talked about it at all. There's so much stigma about mental health even though mental health is as important as psychical health. Every day I'm so scared that another idol will end up having the same fate as Jonghyun and I don't wish or want that for anyone. I remember the day when IU did the speech about Jonghyun and Yeri started crying and then her fellow group mates and people from other groups hid her and protected her while holding back their own tears and it just reminded me of how big an impact he really made on the whole world and especially the people closest to him. I know I'll probably get some hate for criticizing Korean society like people saying, "It's no your society they just have a different culture over there." and to combat that I'd say it's not just Korean society it's any other culture that stigmatizes mental health or mistreats women/LGBT people that this is aim towards it just happened that I commented this on a video about KPOP. Also sorry if there's anything I got factually wrong this is all from my memory so feel free to correct me.

[@doney1996]

Times are changing. America has evolved as well in terms of stigma, its just that Korea is not as fast paced as America.

[@sapphic.flower]

My issues with how Kpop treats female idols: -When there’s a dating “scandal”, the female idol gets berated the most and it’s disgusting. Male idols get attacked too for being a “traitor” but crazy straight girls tend to view their oppa as a victim and the female idol as some snake. -I hate watching a girl group stage and the camera does these weird crotch/butt shots. Especially when it’s not even a sexy concept, it’s just creepy. -skirts are so short to the point people I expect to see safety shorts instead of them appearing just when a skirt flies up too high. I notice it often when I watch Red Velvet, Irene and Joy get such small uncomfortable skirts. It looks like a nightmare. -beauty standards for women is all around bullshit but it’s prominent in Kpop. When a male idol has some chub, fans fawn one how cute it is. When girls have chub, they get shunned or made fun of. When girls are too skinny as well, people just attack them... girl groups have a flimsier fan-base since most Kpop fans generally are straight girls and straight males rather support attractive girls than a group. -like you said, when there’s a girl group that does a sexy concept, it’s not like they unanimously voted to do it, it’s a concept they were made to do. Same with cutesy concepts though. It’s fine if the girls want to do it but that’s not always the case.

[@sapphic.flower]

@wonu sloth that case would be more focused on the age gap, bit for the most part, women get the receiving end of most hate

[@user-vg5jr6nx7c]

@shawar Khan when??

[@cyndixx]

Uh not really did you see how much hate suga got for gaining weight on his cheeks only

[@sufiya6322]

Applicorn OMG I LITERALLY WANTED TO SAY THAT !!! THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING UP

[@lolno3641]

I would like this comment about 15 times over but my NCTzen/Multistan heart cant take it off 127 sorry -3-

[@ivi1ful]

SNSD is the reason half of those girl groups exist. The way they are treated is a shame.

[@kendallleney2504]

About the overworking. With Stray Kids we worry about them a lot. They are preparing for a comeback and we definitely want them to have a rest. Idk.

[@aysel5472]

Tbh PLEDIS milks SVT with every breath they take. I honestly think if Seventeen wouldn't have been famous they would have bankrupted a long time ago

[@slashcloud]

Twice had 9 comebacks in 2018. Come on

[@ДаняТаргарян]

i cant believe that even in the place where it is said that girl groups are treated badly, we cant talk about girl groups. The world really said "no room for women only"

[@jessahmad5529]

JYP let my babys rest!!!😭

[@onIythepinks]

This problem isn't just about Kpop This is a problem that steps on women and men equality

[@noor-tb8ue]

Yea :/ I can't go to my own Muslim country and getting weird looks by menn :(((( and getting called a slut D: and I'm 14...

[@onceaonceforeveraonce2893]

@@noor-tb8ue that's just ew. Disgusting-looking sex starved people!

[@cookiesandcream8524]

@@noor-tb8ue yeah! I feel so bad for you

[@byulharangforlife]

@@noor-tb8ue im sorry for you, i hope society progresses

[@army_forever3431]

Agree

[@bloombloompow5260]

i honestly think boy groups have the upper hand in kpop and I hate it. i prefer girl groups PLEASE GIVE MY CLC A LIGHTSTICK OR A COMEBACK

[@ChaennieLisoo]

Apparently they are preparing for a comeback 👀

[@bloombloompow5260]

@@ChaennieLisoo Cube's giving them a comeback in the *summer*..... way over a *year* after CLC... ALSO ON THE TOPIC OF PRISTIN MY ULT BOY GROUP IS SEVENTEEN BUT SEVENTEEN LITERALLY DO EVERYTHING THEMSELVES (Pledis does *nothing*) AND HAVE WAY TOO MANY COMEBACKS WHEREAS I HAVEN'T SEEN MY BIAS AND 4 MEMBERS SINCE GET IT AND THE OTHER HALF SINCE FUCKING *WE LIKE* PLEDIS GET YOUR FUCKING SHIT TOGETHER

[@sehunissofab1506]

AbsoluteJunJiTzu I think Cube is preparing both a comeback and a lightstick because apparently, they felt bad about CLC having less promotions back in 2018 but the comeback is absolutely happening at late January. It kinda has a similar vibe to Apink's recent comebacks, Im so sick and Eung Eung

[@naeema8673]

Sorn on her yt channel said they are having a comeback at the end of jan so excited!!!❤️❤️❤️

[@bloombloompow5260]

@@naeema8673 OMG YES SDJYEEBKO9

[@godussop2575]

If Yg were to put in the hard work he does for his male groups for BlackPink. BlackPink would’ve dominated the whole world by now. But blinks are always suffering from starvation we never win.

[@ChaennieLisoo]

That tea though ☕️

[@buttholefarthole]

honestly yg doesn’t treat any of his artists that’s great . Even ikon was treated like trash after their debut in 2015 (sent to japan for two years and only singles were released until 2018). AND YGS SOLO ARTISTS ARE LITERALLY DEAD??? where have they gone???? AKMU’s suhyun was promised a solo album while her brother was in the military, but he’s already coming back this year, lee hi hasn’t released music since the great depression, and blackpink’s entire discography is barely enough to make a single full album which is *AMAZING*. Yg artists are so unique and high quality but yg treats them all like trash, which sucks

[@captaininsane1893]

But that's the marketing plan that makes them so successful say what you want about him it's clever af if they released more content they Wouldn't have so much anticipation and blinks jumping on the new stuff if they did a comeback 3 times a year their individual songs wouldn't be loived as much

[@user-tg7ot8jm5h]

I know right

[@caitlinyang3752]

That's kind of untrue, the reason why boy group has more comeback is because they made their music ( AKMU, iKON, Winner, BIGBANG all made their music ) I just think that YG should hired Producer...

[@rantaroxlux2838]

Kpop idol (female): wears cloths that show some parts of the body Fans: ugh that is a T*** and a B**** Kpop idol (male): rips of t shirt Fans: IM HAVING A NOSEBLEED I LOVE U OPPA!

[@cotton966]

Kristen Jin Sometimes some bitchy 7+ year olds do, but yea mature peeps dont say that. Im muslim and i love the way they dress.

[@gummynoodles9036]

No one : Gg stans : omg bg fans are sl rude to gg.

[@caramelmacchiatoe]

@@gummynoodles9036 uh

[@laylatf]

Gummy Noodles no one: gg: *breathe* bg stans: but when the fuck did i ask though? what the fuck is this? this is not okay

[@johnkim6574]

@Shrimpsarecool, true very true.

[@monemori]

One thing that drives me mad is boygroup stans (NOT ALL OF THEM, if you dont do this dont take offense please ilu) who say stuff like "oh I don't like ggs because their choreos are easy and dull" as if dreamcatcher and gfriend arent right there?? "their concepts are too childish" hello??? exid? girls day? mamamoo? "they only do cute concepts" im dying like? no??? that's literally not true at all? omg. its so fake, i wish people would own up to their tastes instead of saying stuff like that. honestly, if you only like bgs for whatever reason....... you don't have to explain why! sometimes you just like or dislike certain things, that's valid and you don't have to make up weird excuses! just do your thing and mind your business but dont say this kind of thing because it's tiring and just not true and tbh it makes you sound petty and ridiculous

[@caitlinyang3752]

I actually have friend that don't very like girl group but it's just because they don't like. They listen to one or two song but this aren't their style. Me, who like both, I don't know any deep meaning or commited song coming for girl group. Because of the difference between woman and man's right in Korea ( they are the 114 country with the " best" life's condition for women ); I think they don't have the same right of what they should write when they did or even just have the right to write. So Boys' song are often more their own, like, this is their song with their message !

[@algonzalez6853]

this comment is really ridiculous tbh. why would you be mad at people explaining why they dont like something? there's some girl in another comment in this vid saying she doesnt like "bad boy" concepts so she doesnt mostly stan bgs, thats fine, its their preferences. I would stan more ggs, but crush groups are very limited still

[@monemori]

@@algonzalez6853 Don't twist my words. I'm not mad at people for explaining what they like and no where in my comment do I say so. You are allowed to explain whatever you want about yourself to anyone you'd like. My points are: 1) Sometimes gg stans come off as accustory when they ask bg stans why they don't like ggs, and they feel like they have to explain themselves or else they'll be accused of being sexist (sometimes that happens because people suck!), or viceversa. The reality is that no one should be pressured into liking anything and what you like it's no one business but your own, and no one can judge you for your likes in music or genders or whatever. 2) Sometimes when some bg stans feel the need to justify not liking ggs because they are afraid of being called sexist by dumb people, they will use "excuses" that actually make no sense, like saying that ggs NEVER have complex choreographies or that they ALWAYS do cute concepts or whatever. Which just goes to show that that person doesn't actually know anything about ggs because that simply isn't true, and frankly, it is annoying. I'm not saying all bg stans do this, ofc, but it's annoying when it happens. (Idc about your preferences, you do you. I personally don't really like the term ''girl crush concept'' at all because it can mean 10,000 different things depending on the group, so idk).

[@monemori]

@@caitlinyang3752 To be honest, you know what? There is some truth to what you're saying. Women (in general lbr, not just in korea) are expected to be just pretty and desirable and a lot of the times they are not allowed to just "be people", as in, women having opinions and their own ideas makes them seem undesirable! That much is true! But also, there are plenty of women in the industry writing about their experiences, about serious matters, even about sexism in the industry. More and more women are having a say in the music they produce, and they can convey powerful messages. The problem is that sometimes those get overlooked precisely because of sexism, as you said, but they are there if you look for them. I personally love supporting female artists who are outspoken, and there's quitea few in kpop!

[@algonzalez6853]

@@monemori people always say gfriend does hard choreos, but i dont like their music, it still holds the cute concept. do you know of ggs that do both things? i would love to stan them but i cant find them

[@RemyConst]

Stellar is a good example on how companies force sexy concept. Vibrato had extremely sexual dance moves and in an interview some of the members said they were uncomfortable with the choreo. It's sad how muh control companies have over idols.

[@maliser8]

And it sucks because Vibrato is such an amazing song and i feel like people only ever mention it for the overly sexual MV/choreo instead of the great song that it is

[@loonas]

i agree like i can name 30 boy groups that are still active but only like 5 girl groups i also don't find it fair how so many girl groups have disbanded before debut/as soon as debut come out (like some of them really had actual talent and could've been in the top 5 but)

[@blackpinkslave9969]

Kpop is a business and Women, who make up a large percentage of the KPOP community, overwhelmingly support BG's only. Making the GG's expendable because of lack of support. This is what you call the free market.

[@sufiya6322]

Maybe you are new???

[@sufiya6322]

Blackpink Slave GGs get more support than BGs tbh I see GG stans hating BGs everywhere ..... even in this vid a lot of comments

[@MelissaManiac]

YES thank you so much for bringing up the Mamamoo situation. Stan twitter to this day chooses to see Mamamoo as racist whereas BTS seems to be praised for learning from their mistakes. However in both situations the idol(s) apologized and learned from it

[@helloworld-sl2lw]

Exactly

[@sanaya8802]

stan talent stan mamamoo I’m a fan of both groups and I have to agree. I see so many people saying Namjoon has apologized and learned from his mistakes. So did Mamamoo they apologized and learned from their mistakes, but apparently Mamamoo can’t be forgiven? Come on now

[@soysauce9296]

@@sanaya8802 Idk where you people are lurking, or what depths of the internet you like to frequent, but I see Mamamoo get nothing but praise, and have never seen anyone try to drag them down. Now, I'm not saying that that isn't happening, but I'm saying that to act like it's any sort of deal seems a bit silly. Idiots will be idiots. Don't mind them. Mamamoo are loved by people everywhere.

[@raynatumbeva780]

I wouldn't say so. Remember, Namjoon's case was in 2014 while Mamamoo's in 2017 if I'm not mistaken. Let a bit more time pass and Mamamoo will be praised for learning from their mistakes. And at least there won't be "but Mamamoo".

[@usefulpolls3750]

The thing is that BTS(Namjoon) are still constantly brought up when some other idols fuck up, despite him already apologising. As far as I’m aware of its only armys who defend bts for learning from their mistakes while kpoppies still call them racist

[@camillaa_ek]

It shouldn't matter if you're a boy group stan or a girl group stan... if you know a little about kpop outside of blackpink, exo or bts you would know that the industry is so problematic to. the. core. If we talk gender equality it's exactly as you say. Boy groups get excused for a lot. Girl groups get dragged for one mistake or wrongdoing. Boy groups are hyped for grabbing their crothces. Girls get cancelled and called whores for wearing shorts and showing a bit too much midriff at the same time. I don't know where the double standard comes from? I guess it comes from a lot of places. The companies are obviously influenced by the Korean society. So, somewhere in the social culture of South Korea there has to be something which makes girls have to behave a different way compared to boys. It wouldn't surprise me since there's a lot of countries, religions and cultures which are so extremely misogynistic it can't go unnoticed. Not saying that's the case with South Korea though! I don't think any culture is perfect. Second of all I think it's the fanbases internationally. The domestic fanbase in South Korea and their opinions on this can be simplified and drawn to what I previously stated about their culture. The international fans actions/opinions are other matters. Firstly it depends on where the person's from. Secondly I think it depends on the gender and age of the person. I see these 12-14 year old girls calling out female idols far more than women in their 20's. I don't know why that is. Education? Maturing? Getting your hormones under control? Getting a moral code? I mean, the industry and criticism is heavily shaped and based off of what the fans do. That's why it's incredibly important to atleast think before you open your mouth. I could do a whole school project about this. This is very close to my heart as a female social science student in Sweden (the country of feminism in itself pretty much) and I literally boil inside when I see the double standard in kpop and how ugly things can get without people realising how awful they are behaving and how misogynistic they are without realising... and being OFFENDED when called out for it, yeah right susan go on and call her a whore while hyping boys' crotches. Not misogynistic at all.

[@ChaennieLisoo]

T H I S

[@HyLo-rule]

Here I thought America was the land of feminism. Still, feminism is cancer

[@camillaa_ek]

@@HyLo-rule America? Hmm not really, they aren't that equal after all. Extreme feminism is toxic. Feminism at it's core: wanting equality is not toxic since both men's and women's rights and needs are included in the belief. It's radical feminism that thinks women should have it it better than men. That's toxic. Wanting equality, however, is NOT toxic. Do you think that's toxic? Wanting equal rights and possibilities in society for both men and women? For an example: giving women more freedom in a lot of North African/West Asian countries or giving women in the West (including Japan and South Korea) the equal chance of getting a job or a high position within the job market. Changing the societies standard for how men should act, working against toxic masculinity etc. are things which should be improved for men and having a more open discussion about men's mental health since they over represent in suicide. If you think equality is toxic... then you and I have nothing more to say to each other.

[@ellcally508]

@Kate Hey Susan, stop talking and get off the internet if you can't make an opinion without using an overused right wing line.

[@laon303]

honestly true??? I only stan Dreamcatcher and Ateez so I don't know much about the more mainsteam KPop issues, since both Dreamcatcher and Ateez are fairly unproblematic, and bc both groups are focused on topics other than romance or sexuality lol. But as a Korean I've seen how bad things can get against female idols. And yeah, like... the TV industry as a whole needs to take a chill pill honestly. I only began taking an interest in Kpop after I turned 18, so I never had to go through the young teenager fangirl stage. BUT I've seen it in other fandoms, namely Percy Jackson, and Harry Potter, where a lot of fans would bash female characters for really no good reason, especially when it came to self-insert fantasies. Personally I couldn't relate bc like... I'm a really fuckin' biromantic asexual... but anyways, that's fairly similar to what happens in Kpop fandoms. Honestly, both the industry and the fandoms are often pretty toxic, and that's one thing I really dislike.

[@thenon-painter4747]

1:23 I agree with this and this is coming from a boy group stan. Like, I was trying to find gifts for my army friend and blink friend. Finding BTS merch was like ‘SO MUCH TO CHOOSE FROM! Should I get her a light stick or an album?!’ And than when I got to BP merch.... ‘Um...this is it?! YG YOU-‘ I’m not dragging BTS okie? I’m an army-actually a Moarmy(more MOA). But like, girl groups need more merch! MARKETING AND PROMOTION IS THE KEY! And why do people always say ‘Cover up’ to girl when Kai’s dancing there, his chest all exposed! (No hate) Like, that’s not fair.

[@MM-vh2do]

The basement ? I thought it was called the dungeon? ?

[@nefeli7232]

The tea is exceptionally good today😏

[@cookieeees]

Can we just appreciate how girl idols are females too and literally dance while being on their menstrual cycle. Like I could never.

[@no-ys4gm]

Girl I can't walk when I have them like they DANCE when they do

[@cookieeees]

@@no-ys4gm I don't even get out of my bed for 2 days. My periods don't last long but i bleed heavily, like, really heavily. And still the antis have the audacity to call girl group's dances easier and all.

[@no-ys4gm]

@@cookieeees exactly THIS like I can't believe women bash other women rather than supporting and understanding them smh

[@onceaonceforeveraonce2893]

@@no-ys4gm me too #ProudToBeAGGStan

[@sou6350]

my period stays for a week or 6 days and i also bleed really heavily but bruh why y'all are being so dramatic of it? Is ok because it's NORMAL. Y'all are being overdramatic. Im also a dancer and i do alot of sports, ciclism, basketball at home when im on my period. Ofc i do have cramps and they are really bad but who cares?

[@ximenacerezo1590]

They ban iconic dance moves like EXID'S hip move or Girl's day bouncing in Something Imagine if a gg made the dance from BTS' BTS Also on the Mamamoo subject, for real!!! They aren't american and are learning about what's acceptable and not being on the other side of the wolrd but such racism !!! I can't !!!

[@bfree7497]

Ximena Cerezo that’s still not an excuse. They know what racism and they know not to dress up in Black face. They are so educated and smart but suddenly they want to play dumb when it comes to their actions? You never see Koreans mocking Muslims or Arabs because they know that the middle easterners don’t play around. No, I can’t forgive and ppl have made them even more popular so they have been forgiven. They know what race is. That isn’t an excuse if you ask me.

[@Homeschooledjunglefreak]

@@bfree7497 Koreans dont mock Arabians and Muslim because they know them, they literally live in the same continent. Actually people in Korea are not educated about that issue because there is no black people there. I know Mamamoo's members and they're not mean, I truly think that they learned about theirs mistakes.

[@khari999]

Venus Morena there are plenty of black foreigners in Korea. There is even a black model. People aren’t being forgiving about mamamoo because what they did is far worse from what Namjoon did. I don’t hate mamamoo because at the end of the day it’s takes a real person to be able to admit to that.

[@kmasood100]

yeah they didn't ban bst by bts (also im an army)

[@kmasood100]

can someone explain what happened with BTS RM and MAMAMOO?

[@hiyap8014]

I was actually going to comment on the sexual choreographies, both male and female groups have such sexual choreographies I’m honestly scared of accidentally watching their videos in front of my mom or sis, but I did feel like female groups have more sexual choreographies. And maybe that is, like you said, because sexualization of male groups is normalized (which I kind of agree with), but I feel like girl groups almost always have something sexual in their choreographies, even if the concept is supposed to be cute. For example, Twice’s like ooh-ah. Female groups’ choreographies so many times include either sticking their butts out or touching themselves or something like that. Then again, boy groups also have their hip thrusts and touching themselves too. Oof. Idek what to say now. Basically, K-pop idols are very sexualized.

[@kukuruchutensei5376]

When some male idols are being funny and quircky some fans are like: OMG! So extra! We love meme Kings! But when you see some girl groups acting like that, some people goes: OMg! THeY aRe sOO dIsrespecTfUL hOw Dare tHey! THe AudacY

[@sufiya6322]

kukuruchu tensei no one did that only k-netizens do that

[@kukuruchutensei5376]

@@sufiya6322 There are international fans that have done that as well. Just because YOU havent see it doesnt mean it doesnt happen ☺️☺️

[@sufiya6322]

kukuruchu tensei I-Netz are far better than stupid k-Metz

[@sufiya6322]

Netz*

[@slendercnpsucks.gocryabout3984]

@@sufiya6322 stay salty😹😹😹😹

[@kturt3451]

I will admit I am more of a boy group stan but I don't think I've ever agreed with anything more than this in my life.

[@harini3011]

This not might be right but most people are really rude to Girl Groups but decide to only be respectful to Boy Bands. And the stupid thing is these rude people are mostly girls themselves. :(

[@luigiluigi4366]

I remember when momoland was on suju and momoland acted just like suju did in their old days and they were seen as disrespectful despite suju enjoying them and siwon constantly complimenting jooe and calling her cute

[@sufiya6322]

Are you talking about super junior?????

[@luigiluigi4366]

Bibi Sufiya yeah super junior

[@Shesanavocado]

WHEN YG IS DOING OUR GIRL CL SO WRONG AND LOCKED HER IN THE BASEMENT

[@rockchick184]

50 years for a blackpink come back and I'll probably be dead BIG MOOD!

[@PastryChoco]

But it would be the next generation of it

[@twitterienne3679]

Something that really pisses me off is that girl groups usually don't get the same chance in producing and writing lyrics or after they have proved themselves for years while guys can at the very beginning. It's like they think women are not capable of writing lyrics

[@maddybg]

Yep .

[@dana-gt7mj]

YES EVEN JENNIE SPOKE ABOUT IT ITS LITERALLY SO SAD LIKE IK GG CAN MAKE GOOD SELF PRODUCED SONGS EVEN BETTER THAN THEIR PRODUCER CAN

[@onceaonceforeveraonce2893]

So true where's the equality

[@fagarina2421]

recently i read this post on how knetz where bashing rv's joy for a sweat stain then (on the same website) they had a list of the hottest kpop males who look sexy when sweaty. SIS THIS AINT IT

[@ikeakuma]

When females sweat, men tend to find it attractive and sexual, they sometimes have sexual fantasies in their head when females are sweating. I think that is why there was a problem. For male it is not as sexual because well first of all it's sweat, ew and well let me tell you this. When females in general sweat, men starts thinking of it in a sexual way as if the girls starts sweating when eh ya know....you know what...I'm not going to keep on explaining.

[@monimuppet6132]

I find all your points valid. The double standards for males and females is a tough one, not only to remedy but to even deal with. The dance move one drives me crazy. BTS pretty much throws their dicks at the audience all the time (I'm not complaining but it's true) but a girl can't bend over on stage? Don't even. And I've had fans jump down my throat trying to defend RM while also trashing the hell out of Mamamoo (I forgave them both, honestly, because they gave genuine apologies and actually changed their behavior). But, still, what's the deal? Anyway, really enjoying your channel so far 😄.

[@ChaennieLisoo]

Thank you, so much!

[@jet1270]

for real, people like having their own ways and like to see others fall as they rise lmao. i love ggs and bgs but seriously i feel sorry for yall girls like hwasa got attacked by insecure knetz and yet male idols be topless with their abs out and crotch thrusts but hwasa can’t even show her thicness. honestly as much as i love army and all the achievements we’ve made there be some real retards in this fandom, only a small portion though.

[@monimuppet6132]

@@jet1270 I did catch Jimin appreciating Hwasa's thiccness though 🤗. Everyone needs to follow his example.

[@_PutriRiangAtika]

So hard being a gg 😩

[@algonzalez6853]

@@_PutriRiangAtika its really not, they're privileged rich people

[@leobineCrochet]

AS I ALREADY SAID when a boygroup makes a successful comeback they get treated really well but when girl groups make successful concept they get SHIT on take as exemples: blackpink every comeback twice every comeback momoland bboum2 AND baam (lowkey i’m so hot too) gidles debut izones debut gfriend when they exist

[@onceaonceforeveraonce2893]

Tbh girlgroups have way more concepts than boygroup

[@seherasif5448]

@@onceaonceforeveraonce2893 yeah I mean just look at twice and gidle

[@siobhan7883]

As A bOy GrOuP sTaN ... No, but honestly I see your point. I know not all groups (boy and girl) have control over their music or their concepts so they might not always be able to control their songs or their concepts. Some boy groups (and girl groups) might be forced into doing a sexy concept because their company said so even if they're uncomfortable with doing so. Now, the goddamn basement. Pledis did the same thing with their Boy Group Nu'est they were in the basement for a long time. They weren't selling well so instead of dealing with, Pledis just shipped them off to Japan. I love Pledis artists, hate the company. I agree with pretty much all of this, no, I do agree with all of it. It's sad how girl groups (and boy groups too) are treated completely different sometimes. I know. It's not always but just- ugh.

[@roxxxion5528]

Another thing I find weird is that Momoland was hated on so much because Bboom Bboom and BAAM sounded similar. But when the legendary Psy did that with Gangnam Style, Oppa is just my style, and New Face, people completely ignored it and instead praised him. Correct me if I got anything wrong or if I sound biased. Momoland did wrong and they deserved *criticism* So did PSY. Sorry if I offended anyone, I don't mean harm to any of these idols.

[@apparaya4225]

Deserved criticism for what?

[@afiaoduro-manu2349]

people dont like baam because it's a cultural appropriation fest

[@apparaya4225]

@@afiaoduro-manu2349 ??

[@afiaoduro-manu2349]

Park G young www.koreaboo.com/news/momoland-fire-offensive-stereotypical-portrayals-different-cultures/ (read and educate urself)

[@adorkthatreads]

@@afiaoduro-manu2349 you should probably specify that you mean the MV?

[@densandrea]

honestly, if the outfit requires safety shorts should they even be wearing it?

[@LuizEduardo-bv8wf]

Actually, half of TWICE's discography was released in 2018

[@allisonkuramura7829]

@Bh O.M.G I'd love to see that *Sips tea☕

[@vktor0208]

Bh BP will outsold all the industry

[@raynatumbeva780]

@Bh If it happens immediately: YG artists will wonder how to deal with all that and sadly the sudden increase in physical activities will result in more injuries. JYP artists will finally take rest but will be bored because they're not used to doing nothing for so long which might eventually result in insomnia due to needing less rest than usual. So I wish if it happens to happen gradually so their bodies are used to it.

[@goldenlady3659]

Omfg that's crazy

[@roseypark639]

@Bh Good for blackpink but so sorry for twice 😂

[@thinkofyerim]

*I love how most of the memes are just Lisa*

[@hisakawayui7073]

personally i think YG doesn't know how to manage any of his artists at all its like they all live in the dungeon and he lets them out for one moment even if its successful he does nothing with it He mostly cares for his Bigbang money but now we got them in the military so hmmmmmmm like i'm pissed i want Lee Hi out of that dungeon YG seriously sucks

[@anasuri6414]

i also do have a feeling that female idols are sexualized *by their company* a lot more than male groups. BTS and ATEEZ and a few other groups are hella conservative and like BLACKPINK and CLC and GG are wearing like no clothes ???? like that is just screwed up. especially because the amount of times you'll see male groups not wearing shirts vs the amount of times you'll see female idols pulling down their skirts/shorts is extremely disturbing. the female idols deal with it a lot more ig.

[@Maneater1206]

- milkysubs okay so a male idol has never stripped shirtless on stage before???

[@anasuri6414]

well they do (monsta x, jimin, etc) but not as often ya know

[@lukasyuko2059]

Honestly though, Ateez couldn't have put on more clothes for the new comeback xd. But yeah I do agree, girl groups have very minimal outfits and their dances are often very sexual. That's why I like Gfriend, they never go that way from what I see (I may be wrong, if so, correct me please)

[@anasuri6414]

@@lukasyuko2059 skskks haha true, in hala halla they're wearing like five layers

[@williamhutchinson7]

@@lukasyuko2059 i followed gfriend from debut, the girls may not have been the best dressed back then, company was broke but your right they actually wear clothes, funny i know, i follow talent not visuauls, tho that is a bonus with GF lol they dance hard, sing hard. play hard. love their GF sound, an their the only group from their company, unless u count MIO

[@vivix3042]

I feel you shoukd have mentioned BIG HIT entertainment not having girl trainees because of one bad experience with a member of GLAM. They are straight up banishing all girls idols ans groups from their company because of one person? And people are ok with this :o totally overlook sexism because BTS are so good. I still prefer jyp as a ceo as yes he overworks them, but hes consistent in the overwork for the girl and boygroups. Stray kids had less comebacks than twice but they write and make all their own music so its probably the same amount of work.

[@Victoria-te2sx]

Is it sexism? Like Highschools that only accept males and/or females is that sexist?

[@vivix3042]

@@Victoria-te2sx i think it is when you didnt used to only accept boys, but have decided to banish all girls because of a scandal. Bts have also had scandals and controversies and the company has not banished boys, it tells me they view girl idols as less important and more disposable. And I dont like it so thats my opinion

[@vivix3042]

Im not directly comparing or saying the scandals were of the same level, i just dont think the correct reaction is to banish all girls, and i do not personally believe that if a male idol had the same type of scandal as glam that they would have stopped managing boy groups. I think its harsh and over the top and unfair to girls who would love the chance to debut with big hit because they like their style and promotion. Do they think all girls will repeat glams terrible scandal? If so that doesnt make me think very well of their attitudes to women 🤷🏼‍♀️ Im old and jaded, and thats what i think

[@anna-kt3zw]

@@vivix3042 It's definitely too much to banish all girls but even if they would consider it now, and had an audition for girls think there would be a crazy amount of saesangs and crazy fangirls who would want to be near BTS - so yeah, bad timing i guess

[@Victoria-te2sx]

@@vivix3042 Ah I see what you mean. But comparing BTS's scandals to GLAMS is a bit of a stretch because what GLAM's scandal was actually illegal and done with malicious intent while BTS's was ignorance. Still I agree that is was wrong for BigHit to swear off girl trainees and groups if it was just because of one screw up.

[@enbyeonjvn]

Male idol being sexy: *"OMG SORHSJCBSIXB"* Female idol being sexy: *"What the hell? That's so inappropriate"* Me: The fUcK!?

[@bangtansonyeondanftw8153]

Fck Gender stereotypes...🙄

[@Mackenzie88]

Both made me feel attack

[@Mel-zk5bt]

There's also the whole thing about dating between idols where the female idols would get so much more hate from fans, mostly fans of the male idols.

[@lc4147]

Hayden Hahaha tell me 1 boy group member that didn't get bashed for dating?

[@ДаняТаргарян]

@@lc4147 what are you trying to prove lol. WOMEN *STILL* GET MORE HATE AND IT COMES IN SEXISTS SLURS AND THEY GET MORE HATE THAN ANY MALE WOULD EVER. PERIOD. That's like the fact

[@lalalalayyy4247]

Female idols ALWAYS get more hate than males when it comes to dating. There are few cases where males got just as much hate as females. (The only case I can think of tbh is baekhyun and Taeyeon, they got the same amount of hate)

[@8luvbug]

@@lalalalayyy4247 I would say even in that one Taeyeon got more hate. I remember people were calling her a whore because of the dating rumors she had with some of the male idols in sm and a guy from beast

[@Chaerishluvchae]

What I hate most about the sexualization on girl groups is when people complain that that’s all they do, and when they decide to do a different type of comeback...everyone hates it and asks’ why they changed!?!? Biggest examples being EXID and AOA. Y’all were praising and loving them during Miniskirt era and Up and Down. But when they released Bingle Bangle and Night Rather than Day you hate the entire album because it wasn’t ‘mature’ enough. Forget all you losers because those comebacks were amazing and those comebacks were during a huge change for both groups and I will forever be salty. I’m done ranting now 😅

[@MiLe-ql9ol]

Night Rather than Day is a masterpiece and is mature, just isn’t sexy or badass, what is wrong with people?

[@tobiy_]

i am girl group stan not only because I’m a boy and straight but because BLACKPINK is ultimate bias queen group uwu

[@slendercnpsucks.gocryabout3984]

Me too

[@ghostwalker__]

About the overworking of idols, I have a example. So BTS is on tour rn (idk if the ly; answer tour is over or not though) and bighit announced that theres going to be a speak yourself tour and they're coming with a album and a new MV in mid April.

[@finch4344]

Sometimes SM puts people in the basement *kun and ten cough in the dark corner of the basement*

[@Superhero-j8y]

Girl groups music videos have most dislikes Girl groups are not first in many major categories like highest no of daesang is got by boy groups Girl groups don't have the highest no of album sales it is also by a boy group Most music show wins is not by a girl group but a boy group The most searched in KZbin Google spotify( streaming, followers) and other music platforms is by a boy group. From 2012 to 2020 the best selling albums are by boygroups, not a single girl group What's even more sad that women give hatred to women, I am ashamed most haters who dislike and hate ggs are women because they like their oppas

[@rubykelly4879]

i really agree with the part about pledis and sm, like with nu’est and exo, they were also stuck in the basement for a while (nu’est more so than exo, but still) but they eventually received the promotion they deserved, even though groups like pristin, orange caramel (sadly, i doubt after school would gain any attention at this point) and f(x) could do much better than them if they had the chance. ugh.

[@blackpinkslave9969]

Nuest just sold 200K Plus in one week. Pristin ain't ever getting close to that number.They sold less than 12 K 1st week sales for both their Albums.. 👎 Actually sad.

[@blecghgames9701]

Legit only one male group has had a SINGLE ban because of a sexual move

[@viviantan1034]

Group name: Cross Gene.

[@juliattube]

it’s interesting you mentioned the “but namjoon” thing considering the lyrics of persona!

[@saturnzen]

I also hate how some people hate mmm for the black face incedent but go around and say "hwasa smells" like it's funny even though it's a colorist joke made by knetz.

[@mcd2.061]

💁🏽‍♀️Ikr like they try to act woke by BEING Colourist🤦🏽‍♀️

[@Bluevids-y4g]

I know right mmm weren't doing blackface, they were just dressing up like Bruno Mars.

[@lemonadaaa]

Bluevids are you dumb or joking lmao don’t be offended I’m just confused if you’re being serious 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@woahmack4909]

Bluevids Lmao That’s blackface. Did you see the picture?

[@adara4635]

@@Bluevids-y4g I mean.. that IS blackface. With that being said, they never did it again and apologized sveral times in different languages, both on the web and in person to fans.

[@xImpacter]

Stellar is a perfect example of companies over sexualizing idols against their will. During vibrato the members literally had to beg their company to not make them wear G-strings under their dresses. They where so I'm comfortable with their concept they begged their fans not to donate to their makestar so they couldn't have a Comeback.

[@eillenhuas]

xImpacter That's so heartbreaking I feel like crying now

[@WonderGirl9]

I remember RM and another member say in an interview that they know it is very hard for female idols and they feel that it's very unfair. I don't understand why there is so much difference in male or female idols like what in the actual hell. The company is the first to blame to be honest. I do agree that there are some fans who are overly protective about their Idols and think that they are always right. I really hope girl groups get the respect they deserve in Kpop.

[@pinksarelove4448]

Can you please send the link when namjoon said that?

[@lalisathequeenyep2386]

Lol nice joke

[@baileyhahn3065]

12:27 ,,, this makes me so mad. i’m a very big mamamoo stan and people are like “omg how can you stan them they’ve done blackface twice after apologizing and they wore bindis they’re so awful” but it’s all not true and now people believe these completely made up facts. it just makes me mad that people feel the need to hate on them so much

[@bfree7497]

1 23 stop it. They are racist. You can love them but you can’t force other ppl to. They are well aware of their problematic behavior and they even mocked Black ppl in their music videos. There is no excuse and they aren’t even that talented. Hwasa mimics Black Women.