Comparing Sonic X Shadow Generations Gameplay To Older Sonic Games

[@DreamcastGenesai]

People who are legitimately claiming SXSG looks like Forces' level design clearly forgot how bad that games' level design was. Which is crazy considering Forces seems to live rent-free in these people's heads

[@LocalTrapTV]

The new Sonic 06 😵‍💫 ppl gotta move on man 😂

[@DreamcastGenesai]

@@LocalTrapTV It's even CRAZIER when you see people ALSO claiming that Forces is worse than 06 like come on LMAOO bffrrrr

[@DSmith3279]

​@@DreamcastGenesai That is objectively untrue. A straight up lie, even. I'd rather Sonic Forces be the only sonic game I ever play ever again than to beat 06 again. Shit was awful...

[@Tr4yst3r]

​@DSmith3279 Nah, i find 06 to be pretty fun. Plus, I'd rather be frustrated by getting screwed over by bugs (that dont really happen to me that often, btw, but im not saying it doesn't happen at all.) Than be bored to death playing a game with minimal input.

[@DSmith3279]

@@Tr4yst3r 06 is the opposite of fun. I find it both boring and frustrating at once. With 06's clunky, slow controls, on top of badly designed levels that drag on for 10+ minutes. It kills my fun when a glitch or asinine design flaw ruins my run. Forces has its faults, but none of them are nearly as bad as 06's imo.

[@GamerGuyd7Aces]

Bruh you basically nailed what I've been trying to explain about boost level design! Lol good video

[@LocalTrapTV]

Thanks bro💯🤝🏽 we know ball 🫡

[@solome3626]

(Plays the GUN truck segment in SA2) "UGH FORCES LEVEL DESIGN"

[@SonicTheHedgehogX15]

Its been confirmed the level designer and the team from sonic unleashed and gens are doing shadow gens so it’s officially a good game its peak guys its worth getting

[@LocalTrapTV]

Nature is healing 🙂‍↕️

[@7_wd40]

Proof? Asking fr

[@johnleone1996]

​@@7_wd40Video Games Chronicle confirmed it in an article

[@7_wd40]

@@johnleone1996 are you sure this isn't the Forces case where they say the same team who worked on Generations, and then you go to the credits and it's less than half

[@LocalTrapTV]

I mean unless Izuka is lying he said so in the VGC interview and named a few of the developers that have came back. I’m sure you can search up the interview or watch a video on it

[@punkypony5165]

People making forces comparisons are mindbroken by forces

[@LocalTrapTV]

They will heal they just need time 😂

[@JorgeLuiz487]

Ah yes the gameplay footage where there is clearly multiple paths just by looking is the same "forces level design" Also the fact chaos control actually stops the timer will allow to some absurd S rank times potentially

[@LocalTrapTV]

Facts such a good gimmick. Experimenting with it is gonna be fun

[@SynthWalker7]

dude has a CRAZY desktop wallpaper, HOLYYYYY 🔥

[@LocalTrapTV]

Thanks gang💯🤝🏽 I got it off the Steam wallpaper engine(for those who were curious)

[@Adalz27]

16:53 Gotta be the most important part for me in terms of gameplay. Overuse of automation in previous Sonic titles is what killed the whole purpose of Sonic games which is 3D platforming. Solid video, Local.

[@LocalTrapTV]

🤝🏽🫡

[@Terminal_Apotos]

You really know your stuff, I disagree on some things but you really explained things well!

[@ninjinzo9006]

you explained it so well good job bro, you get a like from me

[@LocalTrapTV]

Glad you liked it homie 🙏🏽💯

[@SFproductions1]

crazy how we live in a world where people get ptsd from hallways of all things

[@LocalTrapTV]

Forces really the new 06 I’m crying bro 😂

[@ed_999]

this video is fire, people need to stop labeling things as soon as they see them and actually break things down

[@LocalTrapTV]

Thank you homie glad you enjoyed 💯🙏🏽

[@BrisketSurge]

This game looks great. I actually can’t wait, this is exactly what I wanted back in forces. It’s open, I can already see how much fun I’ll have learning to start speed running it. There is a few stages in forces that were fun to run but nothing like generations or unleashed.

[@TheFainter94]

Mam every shadow generations looks like forces argument went to shit once we leaned some of the gens/unleashed devs have returned

[@LocalTrapTV]

Facts lol

[@LilXancheX]

Lmao, still doesn’t change the fact that it looks like forces. It’s like the unleashed developers were given the forces formula to work with, and that’s how we got another sonic forces. Same engine and everything

[@AYTM1200]

​@@LilXancheXexactly, d riders can keep coping. In all honesty they did the best they could but st the end of the day the Forces Engine either needs to be seriously reworked or scrapped for a new one for all subsequent titles.

[@Dothos68]

The truth for me is with the boost formula, I like to move like a rocket powered race car since I’ve been a racing fan for a long time, just what I feel about playing this formula 🏎️ 🏁

[@hollowhenry04]

Some people are just addicted to pessimism.

[@rocochico]

and the crazy thing is that there's hidden chaos control paths that zip you around like a light speed dash section which encourages thoughtful chaos control usage and experimentation. Also we haven't seen the new doom powers in action!! This game's level design is gonna have so much shit up it's sleeve I swear. This opening stage's *level design* washes Unleashed and Generations no biased.

[@LocalTrapTV]

I didn’t want to say that in the video cuz it would’ve started a whole new conversation 😂 but I kindaaaa agree I wouldn’t say it washes gens and unleashed tho. I will say as of right now it’s rivaling them. Still gotta play to find out

[@rocochico]

@@LocalTrapTV yep ik what I said controversial as hell lmao but it's deadass the length of windmill Isle and ghz act 2 combined, more paths here than in those stages, requires somewhat clever chaos control usage, and the atmosphere just sick asf. (music is more intense too I like it) we start on the outside of the space station, we move our way inside feels like a spy movie, and then we just get teleported into an entirely different location AND the stage transitions make it feel like a movie... I ain't saying that this stage is better than most of the gens and unleashed stages I'm just saying it's better than the first levels 🚬 but I will say that the gameplay animations and camera work in those games are superior. 🫣

[@LocalTrapTV]

@@rocochico 100% agree 🤝🏽

[@rocochico]

@@LocalTrapTV glad you got the right opinions my guy 😂

[@Mashu-tw7yf]

Speaking of adventure someone I watched said that sonic team might be ready for adventure 3 after this game and wholeheartedly i agree

[@LocalTrapTV]

We got leaks saying that the next mainline game will be frontiers style but they defo want to do an adventure game at some point. Perhaps they want to flesh out and revisit some characters first

[@EnnGee4]

My guess as to why ppl go to forces has less to do with the level design and more so how the layout is integrated in the overall setting. Forces had the thing where the terrain itself was very flat or "inorganic" and so to speak compared to Unleashed & Gens where you'd see curves in the terrain even in corridor sections, it felt more natural in general. SxSG seems to have some of that left in it's DNA(with more engaging layouts obviously), but that could just be because of how the original ARK stages looked like and them playing it close to the chest in that regard.

[@LocalTrapTV]

Yea I think it’s just how most Ark stages are designed but the radical highway section had more unique terrain with the roads splitting and diverging up and down. The only thing that makes it look comparable to forces is the camera and the fov. We need unleashed level of camera work back in these stages

[@6Mooky]

Sonic forces gave the whole sonic community ptsd, i cant even be mad at it, i personally can see the improvements in shadow generations and really like the triple A feel they’re going for

[@littlebigplaylbpgames9676]

4 minutes and 24 secounds is actually a good time the levels are 5-6 minute long all of them in Sonic X Shadow Gens.

[@DSmith3279]

Ayy, we have the same desktop background.

[@LocalTrapTV]

Yessirrrr it goes so hard 🔥🔥

[@EternityVoid_]

Forces gave people PTSD

[@Shadow_G.O.A.T]

SHADOW GENERATIONS IS PEAK!!!

[@sikosonix901]

I know were here for Shadow Generations, but as a Colors fan (first game ever) I must defend. I know as a boost game, it's not designed well, due to all the platforming. But I invite you to look at it from a different perspective. If you view it as a different take on the boost, maybe you'll appreciate it. It's platforming challenges aren't bad, they're fun. The only reason people criticize it is simply because it's not like Unleashed and Generations. I can understand why people dislike it. Same for Lost World, the werehog, and even Frontiers open-zone. But please don't use the very fact that it's different as a means to call it trash. Now with that out of the way, I'm glad the folks here on KZbin, both KZbinrs and commenters, all agree that the level design is very well done. Some say that it's still not up to (and obvi some mfs say "nowhere near"), the quality of Sonic Unleashed and Generations, but I think it's right up there. I say this because not only are the very people who made said games also come back to cook for Shadow Generations, I can already see signs of what's too come this October. Y'all remember Seaside Hill? People praise that level up and down because of how jaw dropping-ly massive the stage is. I can count about 3 places where there were 4-6 different paths to take, and I love the way some are intertwined. Why do I bring this up? well I'm sure you remember that one open area from Space Colony Ark act 1. You see where I'm going with this? IT'S LITTERALLY SEASIDE HILL AGAIN. And in the _first level_ no less. I have no doubt that Sonic Team will blow us away when it comes out, and hopefully continue to with the season pass and the next mainline game. I know I shouldn't already have high expectations, I even said such myself to others when the initial launch trailer dropped. But I really don't see how they could screw this up, I mean the games already finished (as stated by Midori on twitter).

[@LocalTrapTV]

I don’t even think colors is a bad game just not what I’m looking for personally in a “Sonic”game lol I do be poking fun at it tho but it’s all jokes ppl can like what they like 🤝🏽 Also yes I agree there’s not really a reason why the level design isn’t up to par with unleashed and gens. Literally checks all the boxes minus a slide and short hop obstacles but honestly with the chaos abilities shadow has he don’t even need stuff like that lol

[@sikosonix901]

@@LocalTrapTV "just not what I'm looking in a 'sonic' game". My point here exactly. I just played through Colors earlier today, and while I still love it, I can totally understand why most sonic fans won't vibe with it. It's a very peculiar take on the boost. Glad you understand 🙏, and I'm also glad you're not afraid to make jokes. We all need to just have a laugh sometimes, especially with the Shadow Generations vs Sonic Twitter conundrum.

[@LocalTrapTV]

@@sikosonix901 Fasho homie we vibing 🤝🏽💯

[@pingpongdingdongindeinling6368]

I hope we can change the button layout

[@LocalTrapTV]

I believe that’s been confirmed in an interview

[@FrancoRoldanOk]

Cool explications Bro ❤

[@LocalTrapTV]

Thanks homie glad I was able to explain my angle well 🙏🏽

[@FrancoRoldanOk]

@@LocalTrapTV If the video was understood and I also have a friend who plays this Sonic game, don't worry, friend.

[@espurrseyes42]

Forces pathways are designed pretty narrow. Like they're designed specifically to accommodate you and the gameplay. It feels like you're running through a generated course rather than an actual level. It feels like Cyberspace without the excuse of literally being what I just described in canon. Unleashed, Gens, and even Colors levels are designed to look more open and have more going on in them. Also they're not short as hell save for when it's justified like a tutorial stage. And even then, it REALLY says something for you to take a minute 30 actually playing an Unleashed or Gens 1st level, and get about the same time on Forces' while messing around trying to get to the sand waterfall path. Honestly you should've shown off the jungle stage or Mortar Canyon, two stages infamous for their automation and shortness. People have literally beaten the former one-handed, and you can more or less just jump and boost over all of the latter since the stage goes downward. Also there's the lack of manual Drifting and Wall Jumping save for 1 Avatar stage, so Forces stages aren't design with those sharp turns and wall jump segment, objectively giving them less depth even if length wasn't a problem.

[@LocalTrapTV]

I wanted to only showcase the first level of these games because I’ve seen a few ppl compare Shadow Gens’ first level to levels like Shamar from sonic unleashed which I think is unfair to do so and then follow up with this game’s level design could use improvements lol

[@rodrigobm5416]

ive seen mfs say its like forces cuse they have no curves......mf what do the curves do to the gameplay??

[@LocalTrapTV]

😭😭😭

[@Crysis36]

They do nothing unless theres a drift

[@Woah-Whoa-Wow]

This game is a little bit designed is better than forces and cyberspace frontiers, but worse than unleashed in generations I think the main problem with this level design is the alternate paths connect to the main path way too quickly where it’s kinda just useless. Let’s say there’s a top path bottom path and the main path which is just going forward. Top path is very hard to get to stay on and it’s very different from the main path, but it gets you to the end very quicker with some rewards like a bunch of rings and some lives and red rings, but the bottom path is a punishment for being bad at the game, which is very easy but is filled with barely anything in spikes and it takes longer to get to the end and then the path is just normal where you’re at the game you’re not taking any shortcuts or top paths where it will reach to the cinematic part of the stage of like kicking the barrel and black doom or quicker to the end of the stage, which will give you a better rank I know this is the first level but still the first level should show what the game is gonna be like and how better it will be. another point is this is a personal thing but it’s not just difficult enough and there’s too much automation. I think we should just get rid of dash panels forever. I want to be in full control along with that. A lot of the rooms look very empty and there’s barely any enemies. This is why I like unleashed more than gens because of the difficulty of dodging everything having QTE on your toes and like adventure rail grinding because you have to balance it so you actually have to try. I do like how a lot of the Rams don’t have automation and it’s just you have to boost up there yourself, but there’s literally a segment where you run forward dash panel to the left another dash panel grab a handle goes up slowly and then another dash panel, but by far the best alternate pathways is the one where you go through the ring at defending the gun robot. It’s by far enough and way faster, they just need to expand on that then I think we got some really good gameplay, but obviously there needs to be some stage gimmicks and shadow has certain abilities so he can unlock some cool shortcuts and pathways he could have before from unlocking new abilities, like I said before it’s better than forces and frontiers cyberspace, but worse than generations and unleashed

[@Woah-Whoa-Wow]

Also very minor thing this is a personal preference, but I feel like these characters are way too slow when they’re not boosting they should have the adventure style controls where you had to gain your speed and then boosting will just reach top speed, but you still have the chance to reach top speed without boosting When you reach top speed in a non-boosting state then boosting will like double your speed or something like that also let the characters keep their speed when they’re not boosting when you’re boosting and then you stop boosting you should keep your speed, but you just can’t damage enemies anymore so it’s way more difficult and you have to be way more careful

[@Codyslx]

The paths aren't useless. Fadel shaved off a whole minute by using the faster paths.

[@Woah-Whoa-Wow]

@@Codyslx that’s not what I’m entirely saying he did shave off an entire minute, but the path needs to differentiate itself from the main path way longer like I said the harder path is harder to stay on, but gets you to the end quicker. Main path is just not taking any and the easy path which is just a punishment which has like barely anything and is way slower with like no rewards, but these alternate paths in the game right now it connects the path way quicker. It needs to be a whole separate area that gets you to the end or cinematic area faster.

[@Woah-Whoa-Wow]

@@Codyslx sure the paths aren’t useless, but they’re just not as good as they should be you know what I’m saying

[@Codyslx]

@ezbeezee815 Not sure what your expecting. This is a boost game, the benefits of alternative routes should be additional speed. People expecting every divergence to take you to another planet need to keep their expectations in check. That type of design would only work in a game that controls like the SA games. I'd agree that the bar to access these paths is a way too low at the moment, but this is also just a tutorial demo, even then, fadel so far was the only person to figure all this out.

[@marcusavery3814]

Damn why you gotta do colors like that fam😭

[@LocalTrapTV]

My fault og 😂 I’m just not a fan of

[@punkypony5165]

10/10 video. Subscribed

[@LocalTrapTV]

Real 🥲🤝🏽

[@andraw4003]

Bro I have the same background as you

[@LocalTrapTV]

You know ball 🤝🏽

[@kevin_kevinson]

I want shadow to have some flair after his homing attack teleport thing, they just have the same stupid frontiers zero trick flip. Cant even port the homing tricks over from game to game or make new ones for shadow smh. Thats it thats my one nitpick good video😂

[@LocalTrapTV]

That’s valid I need more sauce in my Sonic games

[@kevin_kevinson]

@@LocalTrapTV Hell yeah. Minor catch for sure but I want those homing tricks back!!😭

[@stickydino]

Forces sucks, frontiers is decent. This shadow is already better than forces.

[@Dothos68]

It seems to make some progress…

[@Isaiah28_C]

Frontiers is the best mf lmao be quiet

[@Terminal_Apotos]

@@Isaiah28_CI always find it funny how quick people are to try to silence those they don’t agree with.

[@LocalTrapTV]

Bro can’t say it’s decent? 😂

[@VanBro339]

​@@LocalTrapTVno

[@Terminal_Apotos]

In my opinion Shadow Generations Level Design is no where near as Bad as Forces but it does have Forces DNA with how reliant it is on Homing Attacks and the Design of its alternate paths. I’m going to make a full video explaining my viewpoint soon as I’m tired of typing it over and over again 😅

[@LocalTrapTV]

Respectfully I don’t really agree with the homing attack take. There are plenty of sections and routes that don’t require you to homing attack to progress through them but I respect your opinion

[@Terminal_Apotos]

@@LocalTrapTVAgain, I will explain things better and provide evidence in my video.

[@PlasmaØ9-cj]

Sonic Tuber uses Forces with SXSG video level impossible?

[@ZillaYT.]

Good video 👍

[@LocalTrapTV]

Thanks 🙏🏽💯

[@wijinsama]

Trust me, Colors DS is better then Ultimate and Wii

[@LocalTrapTV]

Need to play that as well as rush adventure