Comparison: Hungarian Biocomposite long vs. short by Grózer Bows

Two beauties from Csaba Grózer today.
The normal Hungarian Biocomposite and the short one.
Just a comparison of how they behave side by side.
And of course I will tell you which one I would choose :)
Enjoy!
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• Hungarian Biocomposite...
Short
• Short Hungarian Biocom...
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[@HistoricalWeapons]

Excellent bow comparaisons as always!

[@Archerstidbits]

I loved that opening and the monotone intonation :-)

[@nightwalker5278]

Great review. Really enjoyed this. ATB

[@jamesbariso9507]

I have a new criteria for choosing a Bow, the sound it makes when shooting. I like the higher pitch bow!

[@ArminHirmer]

nice

[@Daylon91]

The sound these bows make is terrible in my opinion. It should be a solid tonk not a pop sound. Always sounds like your dry firing the bow

[@dasMoto]

Aren't they nice?? I also love that beasty sound. I dream of Palisander sihas...

[@strydyrhellzrydyr1345]

Wierd... I like the bigger one cause it's quieter ... U do t want a loud noise out in the woods... Also ... I just don't like the smack sound... Sometimes it's nice. But other times not so much

[@Daylon91]

@@strydyrhellzrydyr1345 right! That pop noise when it shoots sounds terrible. It's own version of gun noise

[@ThomasTamasy]

Thanks to your previous review on the Grozer Hun bio bow I purchased one and have been using it for the last 3 weeks or so . I noticed that your bow hand position was high up on the arrow pass. That's where I started and kept working myself down until I found the most repeatable position at the very bottom of the pass where the crook of the riser fit comfortably in the palm crease of my bow hand. I set the brass ferule nock accordingly in the position and was amazed when balancing the ferule on the tip of my finger, it was perfectly horizontal. I'm new to asiatic archery so I'm not sure if this is significant.

[@jenjen7728]

Yup, I liked that short one from the start but I like short bows anyway because they feel like an extension of me where longer bows don't feel right...I'm aware that that they DON'T feel like an extension of me and that becomes a whole thing 😌.That little one is snappy too and does things it shouldn't. Perfect!! Fun comparison, thanks Armin.

[@harlinwall9367]

Was really cool of the owner to send these two bows. Man...Csaba Grozer really builds impressive bows. Kinda makes you want a few of each!!! Different lengths, different draw weights...ahh...spoken like a true addict!😁

[@zachhandziak]

Thanks for the comparison! Will probably go for the short as well.

[@jimmyhor78]

Great comparison. I love the Hungarian short bow!

[@fbibking3205]

What is your opinion on the book Arab Archery an Arabic manuscript of about A.D. 1500?

[@ArminHirmer]

I read it years ago, its a good source of information

[@dasMoto]

Please can someone tell Grozer to build a bow with sihas out of Palisander-wood!!? They already sound so nice, I would love to hear that with Palisander!!! (Xylophones are made of Palisander-wood)

[@jenjen7728]

That would be cool! Lol

[@MrRourk]

Amazing video and review. Thanks Armin.

[@kanato.archery]

Personally I prefer the short one, but they are both magnificent ! hopefully one day you can make a review of the Persian bow ;P

[@ArminHirmer]

yeah hope so too, I wait that my patrons vote for one :)

[@Buddlertom]

I own the Persian biocomposite in 43 LBS at 28“. It is somehow roughly built like all biocomposite bows from Grozer, but nevertheless a beauty. The horn part is covered with blue and black leather. The draw is super smooth as with my long Hungarian biocomposite. Both bows feel easier to draw than most laminated bows. Because of its built, the Persian is snappier. It is easy to draw to 32“. Directly compared, I love the Persian even more than the Hungarian, although both are outstanding and in my opinion superior to most bows reviewed by Armin.

[@fitzmeister87]

Mit meinen 196 cm warte ich noch auf den Test von Kompositbögen für grosse Schützen. Viele Bogenbauer geben nicht dieselben Angaben und die sind dann nicht mal in denselben Maßeinheiten, sodass ein Vergleich doch kompliziert ist.

[@In_fluss]

Hi, great review as so often is the case. I was kinda hoping for a speed test, might have been interesting. thank yuo and I did get a bow from Groze and I love it. thanks for that tip and review too.

[@Daylon91]

The speed tests are in their individual reviews

[@ArminHirmer]

I did not want to bother with speed tests as I did them already

[@In_fluss]

Ok, fair enough. That would be silly to do that twice. 🙏👍

[@UTxTheArchangel]

Great video as always

[@markcoffman9522]

Now I know where to get the glove!

[@kovarilaszlo3146]

I also have this with my biocomposit scythian. The max draw is set to 30, but I often overdraw it when shooting with my thumb, and I really can't notice the bow tensing up or something, it just keeps going up to 31 and a half like it's no biggie. So, keep that in mind :) of course don't be a bitch if you constantly do that and it breaks. Warranty doesn't apply. I only do it because I bought it second hand and it is long past warranty.

[@justinhoffman2236]

I simply love the Grozer's! I noticed on several of the reviews you mention "warming" up the limbs prior to stringing. With that said, would a Bio be suitable for colder climates? Typically we fluctuate from 4 degrees to -7 for six months of the year. Beautiful bow, hope to own one someday!

[@ArminHirmer]

Sure no problem

[@OpiatesAndTits]

I think grozer uses synthetic materials not natural horn and sinew so it should hold up in cold temperatures.

[@arrowzen7433]

@@OpiatesAndTits he uses synth binders/glues, but natural (processed) materials - hence “bio” - “composite”…

[@rolandreicheneder6326]

Hi there, I have bought a Grozer bow and I am thrilled with the bow. Since I usually manufacture my strings myself, I would like to know whether the Biocomposite Bows are FastFlight ready. Unfortunately, my inquiries in the shop were not helpful. Maybe someone can make a statement here? greeting

[@bernatbabcsan8248]

Horn-wood-sinew limbs are heavier than normal wooden ones thats whythey put the long siyas on, the original ones even had bone stiffening to lower the weight of the end section of the bow....if u compare lower poundage wooden bows and composite recurves, they are pretty close to each other regarding efficency, the higher the poundage the recurve gonne have the advantage, but this advantage in speed only shows with lighter arrows, speed of the heavier ones are almost identical.

[@wrongturnarchery2337]

I need one thim in my life very badly grozer is the best

[@octipuscrime]

The cat in the back!! 😁😁

[@grayzerberus3580]

Hallo Herr Hirmer, Bin ein Fan ihres Kanal´s und gucke mir da au jedes Video dazu an.. Ich habe da eine Frage - was für Pfeile verwenden sie da die Federn sind sehr lang und erinnern mich an Osmanische Pfeile. Woher beziehen sie diese Pfeile? Ich würde diese auch gerne kaufen. Habe einen Grozer Biocompsit Bogen mit 43# auf 28" (einen Türkischen) :-) Viele Grüße und machen Sie bitte weiter so :-)

[@tammynfletcher]

Both bows are beautiful! The long one doesn't sound as harsh on release. But the short one seems snappier! I think I need both! LOL thanks for the comparison!

[@spidey2721]

Spend the first part of the video just watching the cat

[@JifisaArchery]

Good night sir. success always. how do I send my bow made to you sir. for review. Thank you

[@JifisaArchery]

I like it

[@geraldtrumpp2340]

I have the long one with 46lbs. Compared with the assyrian, the fiber hun or the turk, it draws way less smooth and it kicks more. To be honest it's the Grozer i like the less.

[@geraldtrumpp2340]

Update: I HAD the long one. Meanwhile the whatever horn cracked on a relativ cold day. Same wit the bio-turk. So my love for the ominous Grozer biocomposit faded away quickly. :-(

[@tiobi6633]

Never seen a smily target before, was funny 😀

[@ArminHirmer]

From Peter Bogar Archery

[@FoxvoxDK]

8:54, I haven't really paid attention to his physique, just his technique and accuracy, but man, your bow "wing" really shows here! xD Pretty much the telltale characteristic of lifelong archer. :D

[@georgesraphenon3142]

Did you compare with monolith of Nawalny ? Are they so different in drawing and shooting feelings?

[@ArminHirmer]

I don’t have the Nawalny here anymore

[@russparker1647]

400 euros/ 600 Canadian. What a bargain for a true horn bow.

[@GameOver-fn2og]

Is it normal for biocomposite type of bows to loose some pounds after time ?

[@jackofalltrades6488]

Hallo Armin - gefällt mir wieder das Video. Ich bin relativ neu am Reinschnüffeln, was asiatische Bögen anbelangt, aber du hast mit deinen Videos die Neugier bei mir geweckt. Ich hab mir jetzt mal einen Lowpoundage Snakebow besorgt, um unterschiedliche Techniken zu üben (links und rechts schießen, Thumbrelease, Slawik,...)und zu erlernen - bisher war ich immer nur europäisch traditionell unterwegs. Bin grad am Üben, um slawischen Release für Quickshots hin zu bekommen. Sobald ich das drauf habe, würde ich gerne einen schönen, relativ kurzen Recurve schießen. Aber das Gebiet ist einfach zu Beginn etwas überwältigend - soweit ich das aus deinen Videos mitbekommen habe, sind die türkischen Bögen bei relativ hoher Zugkraft die kleinsten, oder? Hast du da vielleicht Empfehlungen für mich, was ich mir da näher anschauen könnte? Liebe Grüße und Danke schon mal!

[@ArminHirmer]

Ja das ist ein weites Gebiet. Türkische und Koreanische Bögen wären da gut. Frage Deines Budgets and welches Zuggewicht Du haben willst

[@jackofalltrades6488]

@@ArminHirmer Ich würde zwischen 300 - 400.- Euro ausgeben wollen, außer es ist ein besonders schönes Teil, dann werde ich wahrscheinlich nicht widerstehen können. Vom Zuggewicht um die 50 Pfund auf 28...

[@ArminHirmer]

@@jackofalltrades6488 na dann würde ich bei Grozer biocomposite bleiben. Der lange Türke oder der Tatar, beide grossartig und im Preisrahmen

[@jackofalltrades6488]

@@ArminHirmer Danke für den Tipp! - Hab sie schon angeschrieben...

[@nebhotep09]

Hello sir and bravo for ur channel, i really love it. I'm a beginer and i was looking for a new bow. ( i only have first price bows from Bucktrail, a longbow "Falcon" and a horsebow "Flint" 50lbs each). I am verry happy by this two, not expensive, and lot of pleasure to shoot with (for me, little noobarcher) and i was interested by grozer bows. I want to experiment a better made quality and a more beautifull bow like those hungarians... I like wood bows because i feel it is a more noble material. (Just a personal point of view) But in regards of my little experience, maybe u have a good advice for me or a better choice to consider. ( I search a bow without arrow rest, 50 lbs, recurve or longbow i like both of them ). I ask because the first shop is more than a 100km from my house (200 go and back), and dont have a lot of choices in tradi bows...

[@Bratcipheo]

nice review, how would you compare the assyrian biocomposite bow with these two? It had 33" inch draw, and in your review you didnt mention any handschock, so im guessing it may be a better performing bow?

[@ArminHirmer]

no comparison, the Assyrian will (for me) always stand above :)

[@Bratcipheo]

@@ArminHirmer Thank you, thought so. And the tatar style biocomposite? I assume it has slightly more handshock because of its contact seers, with a bit less precision/forgiveness because of its shorter length? Sometimes its hard to gauge whether a bow is just amazing, or amazing compared to its style design.

[@brittonyoungstrom8593]

What is the FPS the bows are shooting?

[@ArminHirmer]

I showed this in the full reviews, links in the description

[@strydyrhellzrydyr1345]

What is the max pound.. of each of them...???

[@ArminHirmer]

for all the specs please watch the full reviews, links in description

[@blindarchershaunhenderson3769]

You Sir, are a bad influence, every time you review a Grozer bow, I seriously contemplate making a purchase, stop it please, lol!

[@ArminHirmer]

Hehe sorryyyyy

[@GameOver-fn2og]

I feel same.

[@colleenparsons51]

How come you never wear an arm protector on your left arm with out getting brushed by the string when you pull your arrow, I find I have to wear one, time and time again my string has got my arm

[@ArminHirmer]

the way I shoot I dont need one

[@BibtheChib]

If you shoot with a bow with small brace height from string to handle then it can be tough to prevent, however to mitigate this, turn your elbow of your draw arm so it points away from the bow. This also helps with your muscular-skeletal alignment! They teach this in both traditional and modern archery.

[@Daylon91]

Great comparison but I dont like the sound these bows make. Always sounds like your dry firing it with that pop sound. Hurts the ears and I'm not even shooting it...

[@davidlargen6945]

Seems the shorter one is a bit better. Might just be optical illusion

[@strydyrhellzrydyr1345]

U say u wanna like the shorter... That kinda got me.... Why is that the case... Do u have a bit of biased towards smaller bows... U just like them a bit better... I like the longer one... Mainly I like the higher poundage... And I need 32 inch... And I'm a big guy... So I naturally like the bigger one...

[@ArminHirmer]

not biased at all, just depends on how the bow feels in my hand

[@colleenparsons51]

Sorry not brushed but bruised

[@ArminHirmer]

matter for form

[@pyramid_scheme_termination3655]

those tips could be half size

[@Daylon91]

It's historically designed like that. The huns reinforced their tips to reduce twist in the limbs from weather changes during their campaigns

[@pyramid_scheme_termination3655]

@@Daylon91 how to tips themselves help? I can understand working limb

[@Daylon91]

@@pyramid_scheme_termination3655 you can't reinforce the working limb with extra horn. You reinforce the sides of the siyas making them more torque resistant

[@Daylon91]

@@pyramid_scheme_termination3655 guess I could have worded that better

[@AlfaRevoluzione]

In der kürze liegt die Würze ;)

[@hansburnz599]

Ich würde es begrüßen, wenn Sätze auch in der zweiten Hälfte aus Wörtern bestünden - und nicht aus undefinierten Lauten und Grimassen. Brächte mehr Infos... 😏😁

[@ArminHirmer]

Ich bin wie ich bin, da wird sich nicht mehr viel ändern

[@hansburnz599]

@@ArminHirmer Ich bin erst 65 - und durchaus noch lernfähig... 😉

[@ArminHirmer]

@@hansburnz599 das freut mich :D

[@hansburnz599]

@@ArminHirmer Übrigens erstaunlich, dass Sie/Du beliebig europäisch (Handrücken) und asiatisch (Daumen) treffen: hab ich noch nie gesehen! 👍 Wieder so ein Projekt für lernfreudige Greise... 😊

[@Leverguns50]

Both those bows are magnificent, but maybe you would have to buy both of them so you don’t have to decide which one

[@jimmyhaley727]

pitiful arrow flight

[@Appleblade]

Cat = visual proof Armin's just not that accurate.

[@zetazsigmond4922]

Yes, the short one..the right pair of biocomp. assyrian.... and the biocomp. slow unstringing "has arrived! " no one is watching this, I hope many people will watch this.

[@-fazik-3713]

:D