Completed roll cage and panel alignment - Home Built Datsun 240z part 17

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[@alastairbrown9528]

If you're keeping the front, then keep the rear would be my vote. Keep up the great work.

[@mcdick]

Keep them both. Personally I think the slim chrome bumpers look fantastic in any classic. And dash of originality is never bad thing. It's a shame fe with old alfas they tend to be removed.

[@josephpapazoglou1457]

Keep the rear bumper if your keeping the front

[@Boostmonger_Jon]

Personally I like the 240z bumpers.

[@Driven-daily]

Your design for the bolt-in roll bar is brilliant. It looks like it indexes nicely, making re-installation really simple.

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

Making it in place all bolted up, makes sure it goes in and out smoothly and easily. Same as the 911.

[@dwmfty3111]

A suggestion for your shed is my neighbour has a shed the same he has put insulation with the foil attached to it and a big fan on the ceiling it seems to stay cooler even on hot days it also keeps and noise down for the neighbours Awesome work

[@hotdognr12323]

Those mounting boxes for the roll cage looks like they could become really effective rust traps some years down the line, you might want to drill some drain holes at the bottom of them and give them a squirt of some rust preventing oil. Great work as always, can't wait to see how it looks with some paint!

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

I can spray some in through the bolt holes in the top. That is a good idea.

[@aldogee1837]

Thank you for the content and your patience to do all this work 👍🏻

[@undukrig]

Amazing Work Jeff! Keep it up! Wish i had this much room to build my Datsun in!

[@Strega1111]

Keep the bumper!

[@lonniedicus5111]

so much enjoy your video. watching the process (what is working and what is not) is helpful and keeps me going on my own project. no fun watching the pros, you are much more relate-able.

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

Thanks mate. I try to show the whole process good and bad, and show that anyone can give it a go.

[@AtticusDraco]

'not gorgeous but it'll get the job done'... the definition of my life i'm old skool,, keep the bumper no matter how sh!tty your garage time goes,, you gotta a hott wife to go home to,, you're winning Jeff, keep that smile

[@rodneysrepurposingrecyclin3821]

The fiddling with the hood, and such is the more content I mentioned awhile back. I had asked about what all you film an if you would show more of the content. Thanks man.

[@darrenv7929]

Giday Jeff. Before you spend the money on a repo, why don’t you cut the inner braces, then try and bend the shape you need then re-weld with a filler strip if needed. Lovin the videos. D👍🏻

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

Another good idea. I might try that.

[@CowbellCustoms]

Looking good. I'm one for the bumpers to stay on these cars. As long as they aren't the huge crash bumpers.

[@benhicks5448]

Good job mate wish i had your energy

[@punkbloater]

Since you are keeping the front bumper i would keep the rear aswell, if the car were to be heavily modified i guess removing the rear could be justefied/look good but i think you are not going that route so i would say keep it. I don’t know how you could possibly work in that heat, i loose all energy at 25c! (All my best wishes for you in finding an aftermarket bonnet that fits) :D

[@waen606]

I think you may well be right punkloader

[@waen606]

Don't give up on the bonnet,so satisfying to finally get it even with a patch ,I straightened both my Val VG bumpers ,some said that could not be done,and they were my first bits of bodywork since 1971,I just bought a Tig welder for the next patch panels,( I made out of a metal filing cabinet door) ,,I don't know how to Tig weld yet but what is there to loose ,(so many tutorials?)with a couple of scraps to practice on .For the price of the bonnet you can get some really nice tools ?even a good little tig ?shrinker stretcher etc,etc.

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

Watch the next episode ;)

[@Drew_peaballs_128]

Nice video Jeff!

[@12radi12]

My Z I decided to keep the rear bumper but it is all blacked out. Looks great!

[@BarnesysBuilds]

Nice to know you can bring the lower door ends back in with some wood levering. Mine are way out of alignment on the bottoms. Once again well done mate.

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

Get rough with it, it will come back together ;)

[@Kowalski401]

Great work again Jeff, Vote on the bumper seems pretty even as far as I can tell. For me, flares and cage do not speak in favor of a bumper but it has to suit your taste. If you can't get the hood back to stock spec I would go all in and really cut it up. Do some bit air extraction vents like the GT 40 had...

[@ColtonLongstreth]

I have managed to watch all the videos on your 240z build all because I found one 1 minute from my house... Shes in pretty rough shape though, trying to get in contact with the owners as soon as possible! I've always loved the 240z, only car i'd sell my MR2 for. I've subscribed & can't wait to see the outcome!

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

Thanks mate. I have always loved the beautiful lines of the early Z's. Tough to beat. Good luck on picking one up.

[@zucar9hamid]

Nice work sir

[@emandbryce4500]

Quarter the rear bumper. Best of both worlds. Smoother rear, but matches the line of the front bumper when looking side on

[@ovlraglvr]

My vote is to keep the rear bumper.

[@trapjohnson]

Do NOT delete the bumper!!! Keep. Some nuance and flair is always a plus for a nice car, unless you are going for wind tunnel speed records, in which case you would not be dealing with a nice Z.

[@truthseeker8483]

If your keeping the front bumper I vote to keep the rear one. I like the dodgy contraption! I feel your frustration, maybe remove the reinforcing from under the bonnet toward the front and beat the high part of the front curve down and then reattach the reinforcements? Still a new panel takes some beating. Made a lot of progress anyhow. :)

[@ProfessorOzone]

I like the bumper.

[@CarsBikesandCoffee]

The one piece reproduction bumpers are super nice, a little pricey, but worth it. That’s what I run.

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

I think I am going to keep mine and weld it up to one piece.

[@CarsBikesandCoffee]

You know thinking that you’re going with the flares, that’s a good idea. I have seen some metal bits they make to fill in the front bumper end indentation on the fenders. But either way it will look awesome!

[@911graeme]

keep the rear bumper

[@tonyconnolly5385]

Jeff, for the sake of balance keep the rear bumper if your keeping the front one. Great work.

[@cf5914]

With a twisted door, you can also try cutting the bits that bind the inner and our skins then you can twist it back into shape and then reweld.

[@rawirirogers6282]

If your keeping the front, I would keep the rear to match, love the progress. Keep at it, I have a 240KGT I will be restoring and your videos are pushing me to starting mine =). Subscribed!

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

Hope I can give you some good motivation. Get into it!

[@Ty-ts3ku]

Hey Jeff. Another vote for leaving the rear bumper ON! Also, with the bonnet, have you thought of applying some heat as you are using the bottle jack? It might just anneal the steel enough to get the change in shape you are after? Cheers.

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

I might try something like that next week.

[@waen606]

Can we fix it???

[@danielsoon0302]

Keep the rear! It makes it look like it has a back instead of looking too plain or empty.. would love to see it in person if I drop by in Sydney

[@WaynesGarage]

Hey mate you could get the and put a cut in the the middle there if you haven't already got another one as this cut will help take of the tentchan and that will help be able to bend back to shape and then weld it back together

[@steveveness3829]

Jeff a suggestion that has worked in the past for me😊 Try heat shrinking along the curve in the bonnet. This will remove stretched metal curve and help to pull the strengthening structure back up. Unfortunately this method is extremely hard to explain with written english. However use KZbin for heat shrinking videos. I do such things with my eyes closed after 36yrs experience. You have what I call natural skills so will I believe 😊 make it happen 😊 Good luck at giving it a go 😊 Can't hurt could save you 1200 bucks😊

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

I have used heat shrinking on other parts of the ca, so I will give it a go. Thanks

[@steveveness3829]

Home Built By Jeff welcome😊

[@richardretrotation4952]

Yes, rear bumper.

[@Silverone858lol]

240 bumpers look good

[@bmw-e30]

Good tips on lining up the doors---you had obviously marked the hinge positions as well for reference. If a car hasn't been in an accident, it should be possible to fit replacement doors just like factory but I'm having difficulty achieving this and the doors still drag on the striker plate.

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

Different doors are always slightly different, which makes it a pain to line up. Factory panels are always better than repro ones though. You just have to keep adjusting them until they fit.

[@bmw-e30]

Thanks Jeff---will do.

[@arose42]

keep the rear bumper. it definitely looks like its missing something without it. Could buy some fibreglass ones.

[@bobbyhulse378]

make cover plates for the bumper bolt holes, if you can make the look work for whatever you have in mind for the final look.

[@TonyZXT]

IMHO keep the rear bumper, but section the mounts to make them a tad shorter to tuck the bumper closer to the body. Then take a smidge off the ends of the back piece, fill in the holes and re-drill so you can narrow the sides just a tad closer too. Hot rod shops do this all the time, and on a 240 it's actually really easy. Also, cut out and fill any of the uneven factory spots in the rear panel behind the bumper if that makes sense.

[@TonyZXT]

Oh, I should mention that this requires some type of refinish of the bumper, cause obv you can't weld and polish on chrome. I'm going with a fine brushed nickel vinyl on all my chrome on my next project.

[@kirbyparkwest4392]

If you're keeping the front bumper then keep the rear. Early Z's do look good with chrome bumpers on.

[@koolkar55]

Need to get some Polo's Jeff. I hope not just for me but for all those guys that don't wear t-shirts. I like the collar.

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

You are right. I will look into that, as I generally wear Polo's myself.

[@jamespull12]

Keep!!!!!!

[@Malcarper]

Keep front and back bumpers or leave them both off. How about cutting off the bent up reinforcing metal, under the bonnet, then try reshaping. If it works, then weld on some new reinforcing metal.

[@scanspeak00]

If your keeping the front bumper then keep the rear one for consistency. Golden rule - if in doubt keep it original.

[@thiboleo]

Mrs Jeff is prettier every week. Lucky Man ;)

[@Chris.Davies]

I was gonna ask about the wisdom of a non-insulated garage in Australia!

[@TigerRogers0660]

Jeff, i think it would destroy the look of the Zs lines to delete the rear or front bumpers! Tiger.

[@soranrix]

the doors came out really good since you only had so little to correct, way to go, ps. think you should ditch the plastic flares and do them out off metal like the porsche he he

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

I am going to track down some of the original factory style ones in fibreglass as I am not happy with these ones.

[@vosslar93]

marugen shoukai makes a great set of fiberglass flares that are extremely close to factory.

[@badkron]

No bumper but keep the mounting holes. Best look by far.

[@rono982]

Keep the rear bumper if you are keeping the front. No bumpers look better than the later US bumpers but the slim bumper look cool

[@bluecollarfox913]

If your keeping the front bumper you gotta keep the back. Maybe modify those side parts that wrap around and make them shorter so they don’t go all the way to the wheel well. Almost like a bumper on a 68 camaro

[@EE9Civic]

Love your channel Jeff, picking up some good tips from you. I am currently struggling to decide whether to keep my rear bumper or loose it, so I'm no help to you there. I'm also having a hard time deciding whether to flare it or not. I love it how it looks already, but also like the flared look, and running flares would allow me to run wider rubber. I would love to know how heavy your cage is because I'm considering adding one to mine to help with chassis stiffness as I am putting nearly 500lbft through the car, thats a lot of twist and while the chassis actually seems relatively stiff as it is I reckon it could age it quicker if I don't reinforce it now. However I'm also not looking to add much weight as I want the car as light as possible so would be nice to know roughly how much I would be adding. I'm thinking I would be going with a weld in cage for mine.

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

I will have to weigh it, but it is less than 20kgs. One of the big issues is how big are you? Like you may have seen, there are real issues fitting the cage with a big driver, as there is just no room.

[@richardpierre7946]

I would shave the rear bumper, looks so much better imo.

[@koolkar55]

If you have a front one it would look unfinished without a rear one. I would fit one back on if it was me but your call in the end.

[@AlexA-bx8jr]

Keep the bumper, after looking at images the bumper delete looks good on cars without flares.

[@bedroom4847]

Hey Jeff, could you cover some of the alignment of the headlight buckets to the fenders? thats the only piece of my Z that isnt quite aligned enough for me.

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

It all has to be aligned. So that will be coming up. When it is bare metal, you can just get rough with it. Once it is painted you risk damaging the paint.

[@cf5914]

Those welds looks pretty good. I think with the internet people start to think that everything should look like "weld porn" but that isn't really realistic.

[@Mrcaffinebean]

I have no idea how you can work in those crazy temperatures. Your cut from a different cloth than me!

[@jeffintoronto5712]

Count me in the keep the bumper camp. If you have the front on, I think the rear bumper balances it out. Otherwise it looks like you got too tired to put it all back. ;-). Also, do you have to go reproduction on the hood/bonnet? Can't you get one from you friend with all the Z parts?

[@cavediverjc]

If you're keeping the front bumper, you should keep the rear bumper as well. Any ideas on what color you'll be painting her?

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

Not revealing that yet ;)

[@ConemantheBarbarian]

If your keeping the front bumper........then keep the rear too. Keep it balanced.

[@SpawnyWhippet]

Keep the rear bumper. Balances the car visually

[@bjb8182]

You should install door seals when adjusting panel gap. ;)

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

That is very true. I still have to get them.

[@onepairofhands]

i would lose the bumpers, but it will look the mutts nuts either way MR J

[@kittx3392]

maybe was suggested before, but what if make all-custom bonnet from fiberglass?

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

I could buy one, but to make one, you need a perfect bonnet to make a mould from.

[@Bbeavis]

I had to resort to some very similar 'door massaging' on my car - but my doors were completely gutted track car doors with no windows or frame. Probably about as structurally sound as a rusty Datsun :-P

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

Haha, probably.

[@junoboom]

keep the bumper. Have you tried an English Wheel and a planishing hammer to reshape the hood?

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

Haha, I don't have access to an english wheel, and if I did it would require completely disassembling the bonnet.

[@junoboom]

Home Built By Jeff .... ya the inner skin would have to come off

[@sdimare4076]

Keep the rear bumber!

[@huikify]

Keep the rear!

[@djuru]

You should seriously offer this cage for purchase. If you already do, please send a link. Been looking for something like this for a while

[@liqudice]

keep the rear bumper, it completes the rear look of the Z

[@Michael-sz4he]

No rear bumper. The rear tapers beautifully without it!

[@tatankacleary]

Keep the bumper if you keeping the front it’s a balance thing ... you’ll notice

[@plantpoweredhealth9383]

Shame about the bonnet mate. Hoping the aftermarket one is ok though the 2 I got for a BJ42 Landcruiser I restored were fiberglass and a terrible fit!

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

That is half the problem, repro or fibreglass, either way they don't fit.

[@spencerbickett3678]

Keep the bumper! I think it helps distinguish it as a 240z and not a 280z as many delete the ugly 280z bumpers

[@jameslang2589]

Delete bump man looks so much better

[@jameslang2589]

Also remember door rubbers help hold door out aswell I do this for a living

[@ApexRace]

Keep the bumper

[@scousepie2]

I would be tempted to leave the rear Bumper off, it will look mean,,

[@carlharvey7098]

Please keep the rear bumper as you are keeping the front, might look a odd otherwise

[@pyroboobysmith359]

Hello Jeff, would like to send you some photos of how I treated the back end of my Z build, is there an email address I can use to do that?

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

On my page under 'About'

[@pyroboobysmith359]

Sent pics.

[@douglaswells2739]

Keep the rear bumper, you need symmetry front/rear.

[@stefndogg]

Keep the rear bumper but finish it in Black or dark grey

[@ethandevillier2699]

I'd keep the rear bumper.

[@jztrombone]

bumper delete!!! Side note: I had subtitles on and was laughing so hard when you went to Mrs. Jeff. the subtitles read, "Now on to Mr. Chair" haha!!!

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

Haha, I should read them sometimes to see what crazy stuff they say.

[@takibukkake]

Hey jeff, you might want to check your hatch fitment with the hatch hinge seal installed. It may or may not affect fitment. www.vintagerubber.com/Datsun240ZHatchHingeSeal.aspx

[@HomeBuiltByJeff]

That is a good point. I should get all of the new rubbers and test is out.

[@jonseventyone9928]

Delete the bumper.

[@Nixxomatic]

I second that.

[@tjeerdroukens5110]

Agreed

[@uninani2626]

smooth butt is the way to go.

[@KEvinou]

Totally. The bumper is safer... bug uglier. Get her a smooth butt !

[@silvermane9370]

Only lose the rear bumper if you are losing the front one as well, otherwise the car won't look 'balanced'.

[@j.r.galluzzo9254]

id either delete both or keep both, not one or the other.

[@floaters292]

deleted bumper is better! sleeker look

[@buckneighkidd419]

Keep the bumper:-)

[@totalcookiee]

keep

[@chrisolanda5793]

Bumper delete and clear coat the panels = body done!

[@RJA10001]

you gotta keep the bumper

[@teretz571]

bumper has to stay it will break the paint line and look yummy

[@chadmirkovich9717]

If you are keeping the front I say you keep the rear.