Compressed Air Supercharging

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CASupercharging

CASupercharging

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@minorpyro69
@minorpyro69 8 жыл бұрын
I've been telling people this for YEARS. An electric self-recharging tank IS a supercharger. The tank its self is the intercooler. and the regulators are kind of like adjustable blow-off valves.
@371Fritz
@371Fritz 4 жыл бұрын
This system was developed by Mr. Bob Keane with input to the design by myself, in or about 1969. I along with Bob witnessed the testing of a Ford 427 engine using this system at Drake Engineering in Irvine,CA. The engine produced 1500 h.p., the limit of the dynamometer. The system was banned by the N.H.R.A. at that time.
@JLE1177
@JLE1177 3 жыл бұрын
Because the you know who is using it for com hershal flites and much more and nobody knows
@dono624
@dono624 6 жыл бұрын
There are many of us who would love to see you guys perform a run or 2. I am very excited at the potential with this, I thought about stuff like this too but you guys have the means and experience to carry this into reality. Awesome work!
@icanseeyou2004
@icanseeyou2004 8 жыл бұрын
I built one of those things ... It's called an air accelerator. Worked made like 2-4 psi boost with a tank at 100psi on a 2.2. I didn't get that complicated and have no claimed numbers but it worked I saw boost on the gauge at wot. So there's a possible hp increase with the proper fueling .Simple idea air accelerator's have been around forever but I think dyson has the patent on them currently . I was planning on selling the idea as a pushbutton turbo but the patents involved would cost to much to get it off the ground by myself
@snaproll94e
@snaproll94e 6 жыл бұрын
I highly suggest viewers watch your other video for an in depth look at the system. Kudos for making this a reality. I sincerely appreciate all the effort and commitment it took to engineer, design and produce the system. Very impressive that a couple of guys are responsible for the whole system and testing to optimize it. You should race it, the best way to market it is to beat your competition and make them want it so they can win too. Racers don't like to loose but the do appreciate what it takes to win. Wishing you much success.
@Sheridantank
@Sheridantank 7 жыл бұрын
I've never thought about this... and there's very few things automotive related that I've never seen, heard of, or thought about. Found the video by looking up "compressed air into intake" because I saw a comment about someone fixing a compression issue in a diesel by doing something with compressed air in the intake. Then I thought, compressed air has to be able to add a lot of power to an engine. Found the video to confirm it. Hope to see this idea used in some badass cars. Imagining a 2JZ, or a good rotary like the 20B is enough to hope this idea takes off.
@rocketmann845
@rocketmann845 6 жыл бұрын
I saw a video ac compressor converted to air compressor. It only pumps 45 psi to air tank but still. Free onboard air..
@alexdrapeau
@alexdrapeau 6 жыл бұрын
I designed one of these systems over the span of 2 months. Almost identical yet I managed to make a system without the electronic pressure regulation and still maintain stability. Im roughly 47 years late to create one of these before anyone else. I believe the concept of compressed air into the intake was first invented around 1971. Just wanted to bring this up.
@thethickster3794
@thethickster3794 8 жыл бұрын
I read about this system, I think in hot rod magazine. I am impressed with the dyno numbers. How much does the setup cost now?
@elkvis
@elkvis 7 жыл бұрын
I want to see it run. Where are the dyno videos?
@karlstaggemeier7201
@karlstaggemeier7201 8 жыл бұрын
For more details check out the June 2016 issue of Hot Rod (on newsstands April 8th) for a feature article on the 69 Camaro featured in this video. The same day a new website goes live @ www.CASupercharging.com.
@travisatwood576
@travisatwood576 7 жыл бұрын
Any videos of it working yet ? Very interested ,and am building a perfect test platform car...
@bowtiethirteentwenty8627
@bowtiethirteentwenty8627 8 жыл бұрын
Quite impressive and interesting I think. Read an article in June 2016 Hot Rod. It is not a new technology, but CAS is refining it.
@vvv3029
@vvv3029 5 жыл бұрын
Go to Pikes Peak Hillclimb with that technology, if you could carry enough compressed air, you would have a huge advantage in the thin air up the mountain!
@jacobmoses3712
@jacobmoses3712 3 жыл бұрын
If it takes 1 and 1/2 tanks of air to go 1/4 mile it will take many many tanks to go the 12 miles of the Pikes Peak course so you would need a big car. I have also wondered about Bonneville but there's the same issue there
@stevenfesperman9064
@stevenfesperman9064 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I was brainstorming yesterday and figured I would see if anyone has tried this before. I figured it would be much more beneficial
@UNKLDAVE
@UNKLDAVE 7 жыл бұрын
OK?! I am intrigued! Watched both vids and can't wait for more! Going to read the HotRod mag text and see what this is about. I'd love to see more vids on this!
@Tomfoulkes1
@Tomfoulkes1 Жыл бұрын
Can I ask if you explored using the coolth created by the decompressing air as alternative to an air/oil or air/water cooler? Also, have you considered rigging up a compressor into the system to refill the cylinders or at least not deplete them so quickly?
@JuanRodriguez26797
@JuanRodriguez26797 4 жыл бұрын
Isn't tis wha they used on that rally Focus back in the day when group b was still a thing, lending up with it being banned? I love it.
@Acoustic_Theory
@Acoustic_Theory 4 жыл бұрын
What about using the compressed air to ram additional air volume through a venturi? This method is used on industrial vacuum cleaners that handle flammable cutting fluids, etc.
@dylanfurr8926
@dylanfurr8926 4 жыл бұрын
do you know how a carburetor works or even looks like
@dylanfurr8926
@dylanfurr8926 2 жыл бұрын
@sourand jaded dude these comments are a year old 😂
@803brando
@803brando 6 жыл бұрын
2 years later, wheres the 1/4 runs?!?!?!
@turbosupra2jzdragracingtob249
@turbosupra2jzdragracingtob249 3 ай бұрын
What’s stopping the compressed air from escaping from the air filter/air box?
@grant2410
@grant2410 8 жыл бұрын
The power increase from such small amount of boost is unmatched, 90% power increase from 8psi boost!! Gimme one for a rotary drag car please!!!!
@casupercharging2883
@casupercharging2883 8 жыл бұрын
Grant, The system is applicable to any IC engine including diesels and rotaries.
@pkuudsk9927
@pkuudsk9927 7 жыл бұрын
In that scenario I think with a rotary the power gains would be even more One of the fail points of a rotary is heat in the apex seals. This system would keep them cooler . BUILD IT THEY WILL COME beating your door down to get one. As this is a year old posting have you done it yet ?
@NwoDispatcher
@NwoDispatcher 2 жыл бұрын
@@pkuudsk9927 have you heard of the liquid piston engine?
@udlrfbak
@udlrfbak 3 жыл бұрын
any plans for compressor regen breaking?
@fastrotamazda713
@fastrotamazda713 8 жыл бұрын
Hi. When do you hope to have components available for purchase. I realy want to do something different on my drag car, and this set up would get attention! The web site only has merchandice for sale.
@casupercharging2883
@casupercharging2883 7 жыл бұрын
Sign up for our newsletter & you will get a system price sheet mailed to you as well as updates. Also check out new video we just posted.
@fmsmurf
@fmsmurf 7 жыл бұрын
How long does the two bottles fully charged last at the track? how many runs do you get for two bottles fully charged?
@codydorris3534
@codydorris3534 7 жыл бұрын
Frank Merfalen according to their other video one full quarter mile pass
@dinomaxi4951
@dinomaxi4951 7 жыл бұрын
Good for 1 pass.
@edwardthayer9386
@edwardthayer9386 7 жыл бұрын
This is cool but I'd be really surprised if it becomes popular!
@Vrilltrooper-of-sillymaxxia
@Vrilltrooper-of-sillymaxxia 5 жыл бұрын
had the idea once that you could obtain pressurised air from charger boost at prolonged periods of high PSI and be used to normalise boosting or just added as over boosting for much power
@sharifahzaini3561
@sharifahzaini3561 2 жыл бұрын
after 5 years. nothing. what happen ?
@alexcorona
@alexcorona 10 ай бұрын
Nitrous exists already.
@petergeralis3725
@petergeralis3725 6 жыл бұрын
That “EPR” looks like an abs valve on an air brake equipped truck
@MrNobodyAttn
@MrNobodyAttn Ай бұрын
Would it be stupid to add both?
@jrocktatz1
@jrocktatz1 8 жыл бұрын
how much
@bowtiethirteentwenty8627
@bowtiethirteentwenty8627 8 жыл бұрын
I read the cost of a system will be in the $6000 range. Maybe it will go down once it has a lager user base....never know though. I just find it quite interesting. Mickey Thompson used a more cumbersome system on his Mustang funny car. There is supposedly an article in the December 1971 Hot Rod. Have yet to find it.
@obituarybill1578
@obituarybill1578 8 жыл бұрын
Honestly I think they should have it in the $3000-$4000 range (If possible) because it will attract a lot of people when they find out its cheaper than some other boosting setups. It also eliminates an intercooler which adds extra weight and clutters the engine bay. However the extra equipment, like the air tanks could counter the extra weight argument. The engine bay from what it looks like does have more items in it but not nearly as much from what I've seen in some cars. Regardless a cool concept
@casupercharging2883
@casupercharging2883 8 жыл бұрын
Dawson, That was an original price target when we started on this 14 years ago. The reality is that to produce a system that worked correctly, everything had to be designed and fabricated from scratch. If you examine any of the components in detail you will note that what appears simplistic at first is in reality quite complex. All of the components are manufactured in Los Angeles by Aerospace job shops using domestically sourced materials. We chose to do it this way so that we can maintain tight control with regard to quality. The safety of our systems is paramount to us. So in short, the system is expensive because it is made up of a large number of high performance sub-components that have to work correctly and safely. It isn't for everyone, we've always known that. However, its' ability to make big horsepower easily while being very "soft" on parts does make it applicable to certain applications; the cost savings is on the back end: engines don't break. P.S. We should be out running the +1000 HP version of this system by late fall.
@obituarybill1578
@obituarybill1578 8 жыл бұрын
I knew that $3000-$4000 is quite lofty especially with the complex components like you said. I still love the Idea and appreciate the amount of work you guys have put into making this a reality. Ill be following CAsupercharging for awhile because I want one of these awesome systems not matter how long it takes. Cheers on the brilliant work!
@sandman365TTi
@sandman365TTi 7 жыл бұрын
Three to four grand is comparable to a good turbo or nitrous system. I can see when these parts get out on the general market the only custom part will be the manifold modifications. most of the plumbing parts are pretty much standard fitting but just not readily available every where.
@stevesolo16
@stevesolo16 7 жыл бұрын
It should be called "Ultra-Charger." It is obviously not a Supercharger. This is very exciting. Can it be sold at a price we can afford?
@SunfishForFish
@SunfishForFish 7 жыл бұрын
I want to see that car take a test run
@ArchieZeta
@ArchieZeta Жыл бұрын
I hope you make a kit for motorbikes
@InsanityHere
@InsanityHere 6 жыл бұрын
OK, I know about add-on power adders. I want to know if there's something adaptable to my motorcycle. The 4 cylinder Jap bike will not be used at the drag strip, just an every day commute motorcycle. I know it's possible, without a doubt, but I challenge anyone on these boards to find even an inkling of R and D, on such a device for a motorcycle. My idea is for a super-compact, ultra high revving, blower motor, that I might be able to adapt to my motorcycle (yes, it'll be cramped). It does not make sense that such a device does not yet exist, even for "off road use only". My ideal application would be to adapt this electric blower motor to my 100% stock 4 cylinder bike; to be ported in at the intake. It's not a super-bike, and does not have 'high compression', so it could definitely handle some "extra power". I love the bike though, and plan to hang onto it, regardless. Eventually, I'll come up with a solution as far as the blower's concerned. Yes, some aftermarket units can be found for Harley only, for their Big Twins (Sportsters, I don't know), but I'm looking for an electric motor, which, by all the research on the internet, DOES NOT YET EXIST for my Japanese bike. In my Jap bike's case, I do expect some obtrusive ducting to the intake.
@rocketmann845
@rocketmann845 6 жыл бұрын
U dont need more powers in sport/superbikes. If u need....? Just run nos
@rocketmann845
@rocketmann845 6 жыл бұрын
Oh i didnt read ur post correctly. Electric sc dont work. If it works it be on bikes no. Reason is E S/C creates more drag then the engine can sux
@jeremypilot1015
@jeremypilot1015 9 ай бұрын
We can all thank Mickey Thompson for this insanity.
@muckman5509
@muckman5509 7 жыл бұрын
Yeh sounds good and all but where's the video of it actually running ?
@TheNeokorben
@TheNeokorben 8 жыл бұрын
BUT FOR HOW LONG THESE TWO BOTTLES WILL LAST ,TIME WISE/SINCE OUTSIDE AIR IS CUT,AND THE ENGINE ON VERY HIGH RPM GOBBLING SO MUCH AIR,IT CAN BE USED TO SUPER CHARGE A LOT OF THINGS 3300 PSI,FROM WHERE YOU CAN GET THESE BOTTLES.I REMEMBER SOME TAXI HAS THEM FILLED WITH NATURAL GAS AS A FUEL FOR THEIR CARS
@karlstaggemeier7201
@karlstaggemeier7201 8 жыл бұрын
Look on website CASupercharging.com under the Technical Section for information on compressed air consumption.
@maxmays9480
@maxmays9480 6 жыл бұрын
so what do you guys actually make? All these parts look like stuff that can be bought online and assembled by the user.
@arlequin7002
@arlequin7002 6 жыл бұрын
That's probably the reason why this is so expensive. Trying to recoup as much R&D before it's easily reverse engineered
@chuckfarley5415
@chuckfarley5415 4 жыл бұрын
Now try a venturi type exhaust system with pressurized air.
@MarkDSmith-tr4cp
@MarkDSmith-tr4cp 3 жыл бұрын
The venturi should be on the intake. A good venturi can not only increase flow volume but also reduce temp.
@dalesmth1
@dalesmth1 7 жыл бұрын
Just tried to call your office, but no luck. Have one of your design engineers contact me. I believe I can simplify your design, and make it extremely more efficient.
@gava1668
@gava1668 5 жыл бұрын
I'm interested
@a64738
@a64738 Жыл бұрын
Why not make it yourself? It should not be that difficult with standard parts that exist? (like air regulators and such).
@chrismoltisanti2763
@chrismoltisanti2763 6 жыл бұрын
2 years and no new videos.......nice
@a64738
@a64738 Жыл бұрын
I remember maybe 20 - 30 years ago I wondered why they was not using compressed air instead of super chargers in drag cars... I asked this several mechanics that was into tuning engines and they just looked at me like I was a idiot and said that is impossible.
@alexcorona
@alexcorona 10 ай бұрын
It has been in use for decades, it’s called nitrous.
@xibidit
@xibidit 6 жыл бұрын
contact the guys from street outlaws sponsor one of them and put this in their car for free and your stickers all over the car, your system will sell like hell after that. i really believe in this, nitrous can go to bed when this takes off
@wiggymccrackin8240
@wiggymccrackin8240 8 жыл бұрын
why can't I just use an air compressor from house, hook it up? same results?
@karlstaggemeier7201
@karlstaggemeier7201 8 жыл бұрын
3300 psig is required to store enough air for the system to work properly. Standard home compressor is good for about 4% of that.
@simmosideways
@simmosideways 7 жыл бұрын
so you get what, 20 seconds before a refill?
@Neojhun
@Neojhun 6 жыл бұрын
Huh your car takes longer than 20secs to do a 1/4 mile run? Wow that would be boring.
@adamhealton4341
@adamhealton4341 7 жыл бұрын
Mickey thompsons thermo charger from 45 years ago redone
@fmsmurf
@fmsmurf 7 жыл бұрын
what happens if you wreck aren't the compressed bottles a bomb
@karlstaggemeier7201
@karlstaggemeier7201 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Frank, No. Like nitrous or alternative fuels such as CNG, LPG or H2 the cylinders need to be mounted in manner such that they are protected in a crash. Unlike the alt fuel cases, the contents of our cylinders is not combustible, hence they are inherently less dangerous. In the case of the Camaro we run, the cylinders are placed between the wheel tubs and mounted securely such that they cannot be dislodged.
@fmsmurf
@fmsmurf 7 жыл бұрын
what if something happens God forbid where the bottles are compromised. Will the bottles explode?
@karlstaggemeier7201
@karlstaggemeier7201 7 жыл бұрын
No Frank, the bottles will not explode. They are not made by some fly by night operation. They are designed, manufactured, tested and certified by Luxfer; one of the biggest manufacturers of compressed gaseous cylinder in the country. Their regular business is the construction of these type devices for the CGA, automotive and aerospace industries.
@kenwinston2245
@kenwinston2245 6 жыл бұрын
So is a tank of petrol. It's just that it's impractical. How much can you get, how long does it last, what is the real cost. If it was worthwhile you'd see it used.
@alexcorona
@alexcorona 10 ай бұрын
You install a scatter shield where the rear seat used to be….
@estelombo
@estelombo 8 жыл бұрын
I wanna see a nitro engine with this!
@N2Otorious
@N2Otorious 7 жыл бұрын
Don Garlitts and Gene Snow did this in the 70s...
@christophermcmasters8061
@christophermcmasters8061 4 жыл бұрын
It seems like they are over-complicating it.
@alexcorona
@alexcorona 10 ай бұрын
They are, Nitrous does the same thing with half the setup.
@Jandejongjong
@Jandejongjong 5 жыл бұрын
No dyno? Nothing happend...
@onprint4868
@onprint4868 6 жыл бұрын
If you need some cgi please count on me. congratulations long lifes!.
@skippysvr4586
@skippysvr4586 4 жыл бұрын
And I thought my turbo was complicated.
@Fk8td
@Fk8td 3 ай бұрын
I’m sorry, but this is just way too complex and not reliable compared to other ways of doing this.
@kenwinston2245
@kenwinston2245 6 жыл бұрын
It's an obvious premise . . . Why don't we see it used ? Because . . . Oops.
@chriseller1551
@chriseller1551 4 жыл бұрын
But there's no cool sounds
@obtrunco
@obtrunco 8 жыл бұрын
Your product has no applications for a daily driver cars yet? One that can be applied for example a Honda? People have to buy special intakes for American muscle cars only from what I saw on your site. I guess we still have no choice but stick with the usual ie: Nitrous or other forced induction.
@obtrunco
@obtrunco 8 жыл бұрын
LOL
@xibidit
@xibidit 6 жыл бұрын
this is just for dragracing dude those tanks need a refill every pass with 1000+ hp
@nealedmondson3191
@nealedmondson3191 6 жыл бұрын
Lol why are you wanting to put nitrous on a honda lol
@kiefferdavis1204
@kiefferdavis1204 6 жыл бұрын
Astounded at the stupidity of the posts.
@dinomash379
@dinomash379 7 жыл бұрын
Blah blah blah..... anyone can ramble like you guys.... where are numbers.... where are the dyno runs.. where are the quarter mile runs??
@dinomaxi4951
@dinomaxi4951 7 жыл бұрын
The numbers are out as are the R&D results.The system was created by Karl Staggegemeier a noted engineer,learn to self research before tuning your mouth with stupid response.Just saying.
@dinomash379
@dinomash379 7 жыл бұрын
Stfu..... Like religion. These guess just go by faith. He doesn't even turn the car on. If you really want to sell it , other guys show off what they made. Again, no video to prove their claims.
@mikegreen4198
@mikegreen4198 7 жыл бұрын
I saw it go. And do the math in your damn head, the tanks hold 3300 psi each... and they can control how that's delivered on the fly. Saw it on the dyno, and the track (in that long video).
@AndreLuiz-ip3fh
@AndreLuiz-ip3fh 6 жыл бұрын
they uses an effect called venturi effect. it sucks more are as it passes into the "pressuriser". simple. i will upload one video tutorial about this system.
@rsnyderjr2764
@rsnyderjr2764 4 жыл бұрын
@@AndreLuiz-ip3fh Yo Andre - great idea - the Bernoulli Principle and it's Venturi Effect explain a LOT about the reality of air dynamics - like how airplanes get off of the ground and fly, for example - and why "cowl induction" is an oxymoron with an ironic lesson on car-maker "1-upsmanship" that eventually resulted in today's automakers STILL trying to "intake" air where a vacuum is naturally created (I've scratched my head bald over this one - it's like the Peter Principle in action for 1970 car designers - lol) - the cowl hood was designed to cool the engine bay by creating a vacuum (by using the Venturi effect in the same way that an airplane wing does) that would suck air up through the engine bay and help cool it (see link to Venturi Effect / Bernoulli Principle videos below) - and apparently some VIP at a big auto mfg. co. had their idiot kid working there at the time (1969) who's only contribution to the "team effort" that year was the stupid notion that "air gets held-up at the windshield - so that would be a great place for us to isolate for the air intakes..." - uuhhh, wuuut? - and since no one wanted to risk being fired for calling out the boss's kid on this one - the words were accepted, became Gospel, and have been sworn to by true believers ever since... (or something like this, is the only possible explanation I've been able to come up with) - yeeesch! So anyway... Here's some videos y'all might like / want to check out - www.google.com/search?q=venturi+vs+bernoulli&oq=venturi+vs+bornullu&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0.26205j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
@carcaridon
@carcaridon 3 жыл бұрын
Add nos and roberts your father's brother
@Man-qr9by
@Man-qr9by 7 жыл бұрын
"Back in the old days people used superchargers" Okay future man, superchargers are out dated in the year 2277. Post 1/4 mile times bro
@karlstaggemeier7201
@karlstaggemeier7201 7 жыл бұрын
Go to HotRod.com and search for "Compressed Air Supercharging".
@Man-qr9by
@Man-qr9by 7 жыл бұрын
Karl Staggemeier nah mate, send times. Running videos? Send it
@Man-qr9by
@Man-qr9by 7 жыл бұрын
Just come out and tell us this is shit
@N2Otorious
@N2Otorious 7 жыл бұрын
Someone should tell Top Fuel then...
@uhfnutbar1
@uhfnutbar1 5 жыл бұрын
over price garbage
@whydoineedmynamehi6772
@whydoineedmynamehi6772 5 жыл бұрын
Get rid of this garbage song
@thethickster3794
@thethickster3794 8 жыл бұрын
I read about this system, I think in hot rod magazine. I am impressed with the dyno numbers. How much does the setup cost now?
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