Confronting Destiny Over Past Disputes That Got Way Too Heated | LIVE DEBATE

[@destiny]

Destiny and Fanatiq sit down for a live debate and resolve past disputes and controversial topics Fanatiq ►kzbin.info ►www.twitch.tv/mrfanatiq "White Genetics Are Inferior" - Host Kicks And Resets Entire Panel Mid-Debate ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHOnqJqDh8yia5I

[@drdavinsky]

I’ve debated Vaush, Tyler Bluntman and many others. Destiny could we debate :)

[@drdavinsky]

There is no such thing as black or white culture Bc we aren’t culturally monoliths, to racialize something that isn’t inherently racial is racist. There are dominant black and white cultures, and sub cultures but not simply a monolithic black and white culture. I’m Dr Davinsky, PhD in Sociology.

[@joshmilo8523]

@@drdavinsky well said. Love your page

[@drdavinsky]

@@joshmilo8523 thank you 🙏

[@dogmanbitehurt8243]

@@drdavinsky if you really want to talk with him, you should send him an email to have a chat

[@wellbutrinwarlock]

I give the convo a 9/10, and Destiny’s posture a 10/10

[@johnhancock1748]

12 hours a day streaming bro

[@chev443]

shu kif el wade3 ?

[@tedvftftcu6738]

@@chev443 bi boof de bon?

[@yeshuamcfly1154]

"When someone hears a southern draw, they don't automatically assume that person is uneducated " I beg to differ, sir

[@sommerblume9671]

This shit exists in every country where they have accents. Ive heard many EU andys say people from north/south sound dumb/weird, same w other places lol. America and UK have class and education judgement way worse tho.

[@yeshuamcfly1154]

@@sommerblume9671 agreed. I'm just angry they want to act like race is the mitigating factor

[@Bingo_Bango_]

​@@yeshuamcfly1154 It's even worse in some cases because the same people who often defend African-American Vernacular English, which is based on the rural Southern dialect, will simultaneously shit on any non-black people who have a rural Southern dialect. Racial "othering" serves as a shield against regionalism, because you are already being othered for reasons besides your origin or history. A racist isn't wondering if they're looking at a New England Asian, or a Southern Asian, or a Californian Asian, they just see an Asian. There are obvious consequences to that that are discussed to death, but it's folly (privilege?) to assume that because you are being othered for one reason, no one else is experiencing a similar thing for different reasons- and unlike race where there are massive advocacy networks, seldom few people are jumping to defend literally anything about the south or mid-west of the US.

[@joshuawinstead7621]

@@Bingo_Bango_ I wonder what he thinks of all the black people I know who speak with a general american accent, should they switch things up?

[@kevingaylord8620]

This is one of the coolest conversations I’ve seen Destiny have. The genuine want for an honest conversation outside of a debate panel is really cool of Fanatiq.

[@Snoui]

Wasn't a hater of his by any means, but definitely improved my opinion of him a lot for sure

[@shiitalkiemushrooms4487]

@@Snoui same. He’s really obnoxious in panels but I kinda get why. In face value destiny short handing his arguments by calling him a racist probs pissed him off since there’s all this in the background that fanatic considered but didn’t get to voice it in the moment with the chaos of panel shows

[@user-wu1us1yh3n]

Pls stop Destiny from playing league

[@zachasnacks7036]

wsh he got banned like T1, we need more VARIETY remember back to election destiny when he was playing minecraft

[@user-wu1us1yh3n]

@@zachasnacks7036 the dude has been playing league today for the last 14 hours with an occasional shit tier tweet every 5 hours.

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

Actually, we need more league. His stream needs to become a full-time league stream.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@user-uq4gr5nl5o why do you make me hate you?

[@tylercsm4690]

This was actually a great convo. Well done to both parties. Fanatiq didnt do the schizo shit and actually gave ground when he knew he was incorrect. It was really refreshing honestly.

[@drphoenix8246]

7 days of league of legends, August must be sweating

[@mrodo5175]

I feel like maybe Fanatiq isn't as introspective as he thinks, if he thinks we haven't had these conversations regarding internalized racism. Every time he justified his positions with "We haven't had these conversations" I cringed.

[@bestdjaf7499]

It is a stupid argument on his part, b/c he accepted that Immigrants don't share this Black experience. Well yes, they don't play basketball & don't listen rap & don't have dreads & they don't smoke weed.... & It's not a White thing or self hatred.

[@yautjacetanu]

Yeah as a half white Chinese person in the UK I've seen those conversations happen, such as in obamas book. Its weird for anyone to say "we haven't had these conversations" assuming he knows all conversations. Like he can't consider that maybe he isn't as introspective as he thought?

[@mrodo5175]

@@yautjacetanu I mean I'm a cis white man and I'm aware of, before this video, of the pressures on Asians to have cosmetic surgery to change ethnic feature or the demeaning of kinky hair as ugly on black women. I even knew of the alienation of black and darker skinned women, by black men. The idea that only a black partner could shelter black children through these issues is a massive projection of his own inadequacies onto the larger population

[@yautjacetanu]

@@mrodo5175 yeah I agree with the last thing you said about projection except maybe I'd say the same thing with a nice and smiley tone. Its quite likely this guy is pissed off with himself that it took him so long to realise his own internalised racism. With how much he repeats it and the fact his girlfriend took till late 30s to understand it. Maybe he is really annoyed and I suppose i was shocked by it at my 20s. But then he seems to be projecting. He's thinking given it took me so long and given that I'm an introspective and clever person. This thing must be next to impossible for anyone to do this thing. But maybe you're not as introspective as you think? To be honest I'd be suspicious on anyone who says that. The mark of an introspective person is someone who probably thinks they are super bad at it. This is sort of a concept that goes back to arisotle!

[@valiantravonous]

Fanatiq isn't nearly as deep or well thought out as he clearly believes he is.

[@Pancakegr8]

I used to think like Fanatiq in the sense that I wanted someone who has a shared experience of being Black, now the only requirement is that a person loves me for me. In my opinion the way we think about race is archaic, and treating other humans differently based on color is dumb and needs to go out of style.

[@johnstarnes3731]

Hey congrats for not being racist anymore!

[@mikemills326]

What’s wrong with preferring someone with a shared experience?

[@johnstarnes3731]

@@mikemills326 when that stated experience is predicated on being bound by an immutable charteristic and then denying everyone else who isn't that shared characteristic is racist. The left is just now discovering rascism its funny watching them make the exact same mistakes traditional racist made except in reverse. Segregation Judging people in skin color Racial stereotypes.

[@mikemills326]

@@johnstarnes3731 denying everyone else? No. I said preference, not requirement. Just like I could prefer women with big eyes but having small eyes isn’t a deal breaker. And a shared experience means more things in common which means more things to bond over. I genuinely don’t see the problem with preferring this for a long term relationship. I’m not just talking about black people by the way. This goes for any race. An Asian person is more likely to have a shared culture with another Asian person, so they may prefer Asians. I think that’s completely fine

[@johnstarnes3731]

@Mike Mills sure but your subconscious rasicm is showing. You "prefer" people which is a dogwhistle for blatant other hating. That is sick. You are a bigot and a racist. Shared experience which cannot be gotten by any other that does not fit into your narrow minded bigoted view of race is there for less compatible, less desierable... less "preferred" Because a black poor person and a white poor person still do not have the same lived experience right? But two poor black people do and two poor white people do. So you are advocating for segregation. You are sick! And to point out your absolutely horrible rascism and prejudice once again Not all Asians are the same you don't get to lump them all together because "they got them squinty eyes." Go back to New York or sanfransico you racist!

[@Icon_Carth]

I’m sorry for August…the treatment of Destiny inflecting harm to the livelihood of his editor. #FuckLeague

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

League is good actually #GIGACHAD

[@bigtallguy7862]

i enjoy this stuff a ton more than the panel shows.

[@zazacrumchy3483]

On jah

[@Wiffernubbin]

Does Fanatiq scream repeatedly during this one?

[@bennymountain1]

Panel shit shows are such an insufferable waste of time, I just can't anymore.

[@AnorexicPandas]

I like them better when there’s prior lore from the panels

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

This is boring, I require yelling.

[@nocuh]

5 min in and already the editing of this video stands out more than usual, some quality source material. Shoutout to fanatiq noise gate and 3 camera game doing the good work to make August job easy

[@beastemeauxde7029]

Lol hell yeah that noise gate was so strong I thought it was my youtube app freezing! The mics or the interface are just noisy.

[@beastemeauxde7029]

Lol hell yeah that noise gate was so strong I thought it was my youtube app freezing! The mics or the interface are just noisy.

[@Gizzardx0]

Lol hell yeah that noise gate was so strong I thought it was my youtube app freezing! The mics or the interface are just noisy.

[@ethan6036]

Lol hell yeah that noise gate was so strong I thought it was my youtube app freezing! The mics or the interface are just noisy.

[@RustyTheGamer]

Lol hell yeah that noise gate was so strong I thought it was my youtube app freezing! The mics or the interface are just noisy.

[@roryscott462]

Long time watcher, first time commenter. I have to say, this is probably been one of my favorite discussions that you've ever had. Don't get me wrong, I get the same serotonin rush anybody else gets watching you get into these debate bro arguments, but this was a truly beautiful and powerful conversation between two people that I thought previously were very much against One another. By the end of this conversation, I almost felt a camaraderie between the two of you. I really wish that these online discussions could take place like this more often. Perhaps it's just the act of being there in person with each other forces a little bit more emotional sincerity, but I really hope to see more interactions like this.

[@VapeFBV]

Your obviously a racist

[@joshcantu5405]

When he says that black people were taking the word back and "dis-empowering" the word he misses the point that black reacting negatively to hearing white people say the word in the same context that black people do is actually giving power to the word. It's ironic

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Right? The power of the word comes from your reaction to it. If you don't react then it doesn't have power

[@Stephenwhite013]

How about just don’t say the word why do white people find anyway to justify using the n word.

[@delam617]

@@Stephenwhite013 cuz it's in the rap songs black people made and those songs hit top 50 and are sought after so they learn the lyrics and repeat the song, cuz that's what ppl do with songs???

[@giovalladares1022]

@@Stephenwhite013 ironically, if white people were allowed to say it without it being taboo, the word would lose its “charm” for them and they’d just see it as another word and it care for it.

[@kingkunta3753]

@@delam617 you're telling me that compels you to say the n word? lmao, white folk.

[@OfficialJabe]

As a black member of the Daliban I feel compelled to debate fantiq because he has has good intentions with God awful takes. Destiny is making great points especially the thug point towards the n. Clearly the n word is more offensive than thug if we ignore context. But if we factor in the fact that when most people say thug their level of disdain for black would be significantly higher than Timmy who's really excited to sign the new Kendrick Lamar album. The whole premise of language is that the context dictates the meaning of the words for every other word besides this one. 🤔

[@Transhumanist_Adam]

If I could upvote comments I would upvote this.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@Transhumanist_Adam there's a like button...

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Any word can be a slur if you use it properly

[@kidkefka]

i have to disagree here because as a also a proud member of the Daliban we need to come to the best conclusion. The word "thug" isnt as equivalent to the n word because "thug" only has the connotation of being in a black neighbourhood and engaging in crime there, which is a stereotype of todays society. The n-word had a different meaning, it meant that a person is genetically inferior because of the melatonin in their skin which enabled the enslavement of a whole ethnicity. So i would agree with Fanatiq here that the use of the word isn't comparable with the word thug. so the context is inherently different by the usage of the word.

[@Transhumanist_Adam]

@@kidkefka no one said it was equivalent. ‘Thug’ was brought up to highlight the difference the way the words are used today.

[@justlooking1087]

Destiny is 1000% right when he says that these conversations have been going on in the ‘black community’ for a long time. Maybe not the black people Fanatiq grew up around but internalised racism has been a topic of conversation for a long time. The whole “black is beautiful” concept is about rejecting self hatred. And Destiny was correct to relate it to the things that he did. W.E.B Dubois and E. Franklin Frazier both wrote about how the black middle class actively distanced themselves from black people and “black culture” as a result of self hatred.

[@Sirinoks8]

Good conversation. Being from post USSR country myself, I don't get the whole "word bad", and even though I avoid the usage myself since I don't want to offend people, I generally am skeptical on people having certain words as a taboo. This person on the video has shared their perspective pretty clearly. I now understand more how much weight there is under the n word specifically. I am less skeptical now

[@francothesucc9701]

Brilliant!

[@drdavinsky]

There is no such thing as black or white culture Bc we aren’t culturally monoliths, to racialize something that isn’t inherently racial is racist. There are dominant black and white cultures, and sub cultures but not simply a monolithic black and white culture. I’m Dr Davinsky, PhD in Sociology.

[@cs.flippz9152]

@@drdavinsky no there are no dominant subcultures either. An african american doesnt share the same experience with a black british persons culture

[@second2none914]

@@drdavinsky doesn’t this stance just negate the concept of culture in general. Like there is no Irish culture, German culture, Han culture etc as no groups of people are monoliths, but groups who live in close proximity to one another and share a sense of ‘likeness’ often tend to dress similar, have specific accents and speech patterns, eat similar foods and engage with similar media and these similarities are what make up culture. Also nothing is *inherently racial* as race is a social construct. Everything that is racial we made racial in the first place. That doesn’t not mean that race does not play a role in the real world, but that nothing is inherently racial. Or can you name a single thing that is inherently racial without the context of human society?

[@WanderTheNomad]

I felt a bit of tension here but I didn't feel my heart rate go up substantially. This is how disagreements are supposed to go.

[@Spaze332]

who said it was gonna be a crazy debate? the title is referencing previous times they have clearly been in heated debates on panels.

[@WanderTheNomad]

@@Spaze332 I feel like most of the time Destiny only has civil debates with people he already mostly agrees with, and with most other people that disagree with Destiny as much as Fanatiq does, they would normally get into a heated(crazy) debate over it. This is one of the few times where I felt like someone actually disagrees with Destiny a decent amount while still remaining civil about it. The best of both worlds.

[@Spaze332]

@@WanderTheNomad Destiny always tries to match the tone of the debate whether he agrees or not. And I agree, Fanatiq did a good job articulating his disagreements. Overall, this was a very good debate.

[@sensessenses7317]

I felt triggered by most of this but I'm trying to focus on what is actually being said and not the imaginary dots my brain's trying to connect.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Boring. The quality of content is determined by the volume of people's voices. Needed more yelling

[@SixteenVoice]

Guys, it's still February, why is everyone worried about content for August?

[@sirsmokesalotsamson8293]

I’m 8 minutes in and I’m waiting for him to ask “ do you like black people

[@bennymountain1]

I was on the edge of me seat trying not to miss "WHEN'S MAHVEL"

[@baleriontheblackdread4491]

DO. YOU. LIKE. blackpeople?

[@brian-iz7wv]

Thanks August. Showed up right in my feeeeed

[@moonlapsevertigo2432]

I find it frustrating how people talk about the need to de-power the n word, so the solution is to not allow 85% of the country to say it, and if they say it ever they need to be cancelled for life. Sounds to me like that gives the word a lot of power.

[@aleksisuuronen5969]

It was propably the most de-powered as it's been around +- 2010 in not racist way and that's where so many of the cancel gotcha clips come. The era was very extreme humor all around. Some better than other but shock humor was kinda the thing and it made a lot of taboos be not so taboo in a good way. Yeah ofcourse people can nitpick some Shane Dawson humor from there which I personally tought was stupid even back then closer to the target audience but as general people were finding that funny back then because of the shock value not because he is racist or this or that. I find it kinda hypocritical that many people who say certain things are not for jokes are 100% ready to say joke about religion which is super important thing for many people. Differend thing is if someone is ignorant and it's not jokes but at that point isn't educating, debating and discussing the thing rather than making hyperboles from what people say, twist it and shut them up the thing. It's all so backwards.

[@twintalk2943]

Yup, “policing” the word only makes it more alluring to people that want to use it against people they hate. I thought people were relaxing about it around 2010 but the last 10 years have shown me we more than likely will never get over this hill.

[@bruhelbruh6293]

Sure I think that’s overkill, but at the same time seeing how people will go out of their way to use the word, well knowing how others feel about it, I don’t feel bad for a second. If you can’t even not use the damn word, you can die in a fire for all I care. Why would I care for people that clearly don’t care for me ? I wouldn’t. But I don’t think it’s a race thing, It’s just a matter of too little consideration, and how people don’t give a f about eachother

[@twintalk2943]

@@bruhelbruh6293 talk about “over kill”…lol

[@anitamonical4580]

This is so valuable....6 and a half decades in...and grateful to learn.

[@marmite_popsicle]

"6 and a half decades in" just because you werent there when people discussed it decades ago, doesnt mean it didnt happen. these kinds of talks happen all the time. again and again. nothing is gained from them

[@asimplewizard]

@@marmite_popsicle dang someone pissed in your gravy. Felt like flaring some righteous anger?

[@pavcho2211]

@@marmite_popsicle what's your point then

[@lazysod3]

Damn I appreciate both these guys so much. Such a sincere and thoughtful discussion of verrry complicated issues. This is what good faith looks like and it is so much more constructive and useful than most of the shrieking that most KZbinrs who claim to care about this do.

[@tehbobb08]

Fanatiq would get more out of these conversations if he took more time to digest before responding. Either way he's a swell guy

[@nintendo2000]

I actually think he did really well here

[@tehbobb08]

@@nintendo2000 I think he did way better than usual because it was 1:1 instead of a panel, but there were several times in this conversation that he immediately launched into a response, and the response didn't address Destiny's point very well. He's definitely engaging in good faith and I respect him for it, but I think his auto-responses are preventing him from some important worldview development

[@damiendiem]

N-word outrage larping has gotten out of control. People really out here getting offended just to be offended. It's either a word we all choose not to use in polite society, or we actually defang the word and stop the hysteria. "Taking back the power of the word" doesn't mean freaking out to the point of violence over specific-syllables being spoken, especially if the word is repeated constantly in pop culture.

[@AK-46]

🙃

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Personally I think it would be really weird if for example I started calling other Jewish people "my kikes" I don't think the "reclaiming the slur" argument works for any other slur HOWEVER There's a rock solid case that the soft a isn't USED as a slur

[@Rhyn03]

Fanatiq needs a break from the Races Game. He almost sounds stuck looking at people through the eyes of a collective. When truth is that there are more differences within groups than between groups.

[@ExeErdna]

I know him and tried before he got this "talk show" background. It ain't working

[@Rhyn03]

@@ExeErdna well, don’t give up. Theres always hope for change especially with introspective people. Just remind him “The purpose of human existence is not to point out our differences. Even though race may seem to encompass everything consider it an illusion of our eyes. Cause if we were blind; no one would give AF what our skin color is. And since lifes default position is pain and suffering. Why add to it, when we only have so much time and are surrounded by lifes beauty.

[@TechnoLion1]

There are not more differences within groups than between groups tho. You can acknowledge that without being racist.

[@marmite_popsicle]

@@TechnoLion1 what are you taling about? this is beyond wrong. any metric you could think of would disagree. do you even know what " there are more differences within groups than between groups" means?

[@Rhyn03]

@@TechnoLion1 haha, just think about it. How are white and black people different? Their color and a handful of other differences. And for instance i have a brother and we have the same parents. But we couldnt be more different in 100’s of ways. Its about perspective. And how we choose to see the world. Are you going to focus on how we’re all soo different. Personally, i look at similarity. Cause difference is easy to see and point out. I prefer a challenge.

[@gooieglopp]

Jesus that beluga whale line lmfao

[@Transhumanist_Adam]

Haha. That was funny

[@hyperbrug9328]

Destiny should’ve pointed out that the reason the n word still has “fangs” is exactly because of this weird exclusivity involved with “reclaiming” the word. If our culture is currently leaning toward “term of endearment” or just generally “this guy”, then it logically follows that everyone should be allowed to say it.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

The power a word has comes EXCLUSIVELY from *your reaction to it*

[@donnya9742]

Why can't you just use a different word it's not more complicated than that😕.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@ElevenHymn Sure, for example I'd probably murder somebody who called me a kike to my face - but intellectually I know that's an overreaction ingrained in me by being raised to Never Forget.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@donnya9742 I like the abbreviation "bruv" Short, sounds good, not a slur

[@donnya9742]

@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor 🤨 ok? Is "bruv" the abbreviation of a word used to dehumanize people based on the color of their skin. Otherwise I don't see how this response is related to what I said.

[@ConsciousRobot]

One of the better discussions I've heard on this topic

[@pyre78]

Right in my feeeeeed

[@boogie_boogie_7338]

I’m excited haha

[@twanner_]

Let’s make this the top comment 😎

[@pyre78]

@@twanner_ One day, my friend.

[@sabergun]

i wish the volume was checked before publishing

[@michaelboucher7645]

What is the end goal of reclaiming the word? If the end goal is to completely defang the word and change the underlying meaning so that that word no longer has the power in society to cause harm and group people together in a class, then there must be some uncomfortable and tense moments along the way where people outside the in group start to use said (or in this case unsaid) word. Maybe we are not there yet as we have not yet fully address the harms that that word represents but as generations go by and (hopefully) less and less people in society are denigrated as a result of the lasting effects of a racially divided system we can and should expect the wide spread use of the word. These are some of the uncomfortable moment and conversations on the way to that hopefully more harmonious future!

[@benboy0404]

New destiny video boys! let's get ready to go harass everyone involved!!!!111!11!1!!!!

[@benny399]

Very good conversation! Each side felt authentically charitable :)

[@donnya9742]

Editor you're looking quite... Thicc today BB😏🥵

[@desiderio476]

🤨🤨🤨🤨

[@donnya9742]

@@desiderio476 Are you gonna dispute the thiccness of the highly esteemed editor?

[@Sprite_525]

… bruh 😆

[@christopherwest671]

I think during the section at 24:32 it would have been interesting to bring up an observers effect on the conversation. It's talked around in the form of a black person or father making a request in a setting, but it feels like the N-Word can suddenly becomes bad when it's observed by someone who finds it offensive. I don't think it's reasonable for the white guy with a group of black dudes to be cognizant of quantum language policing force the second someone turns on their phone and records a conversation. It's 100% decent/respectful/reasonable w.e. to try and avoid language at someone's request if you know it bothers them. If you're a content creator creator it's responsible for you to know the impact of your language and rhetoric to a broader, less familiar audience. It seems completely unreasonable however, for an individual to restrict or modify their behavior to meet the needs of every possible preference a person might have on the language. Which honestly seems to the furthest extension of Fanatiq's argument; otherwise I totally acknowledge that the N-Word may be unique in it's derogatory usage based on entirely immutable characteristics unlike Karen or w.e. - but other slurs that are more equitable haven't been de-fanged or repurposed for communication in the same way that the N word has. IDK man. If I'm talking with a bunch of my black friends that I grew up with and things are getting heated between us - there's a good chance I'll code switch and a "soft a" is going to come out here and there. It feels more stilted/disingenuous for it not to. I'm more sympathetic to roasting white kids with none of the shared experiences that are emulating black culture in an openly white environment, but I suppose again - because it feels disingenuous or fake.

[@austingoyne3039]

People who say you should *never* use the word probably didn't grow up in a community where it was used.

[@Deneteus]

At 23:00 when Destiny pointed out the dichotomy of black households. My dad didn't listen to rap music but he listened to soul, Blues and motown. He was from 'the country' where elders were respected and children didn't talk out of turn and people went to church regularly. He was a military veteran. So were his siblings. My friends all lived on varied households that weren't inherently black situations. My friend Jarrods mother worked full time at Dennys. Her son was not allowed to be a thug. He had to be dressed well. His father was not around. My friend Attai dad was a police officer. He didn't allow anything of the ignorance that goes down in the hood. His brother was held to the same standard. He valued education, physical and mental preparedness and honor. Most kids with parents that had any military background could tell you that there was no value in intentional ignorance. Their kids still listened to rap music and hip-hop because that is what the media in the US pushed on us through radio stations. The whole east coast west coast beef was engineered by the FBI to keep black people fighting each other but not listening to rap is considered hating your own blackness? Get out here with that BS.

[@mazzar2739]

It's alot less about listening to rap but viewing it negatively and keeping it away from your children, no?

[@damiendiem]

@@mazzar2739 It's fair to say rap isn't a good influence on kids no? The content & lyrics are usually terrible and the culture surrounding rap is degenerate. Not ALL rap, but most, especially the ones that rise to the top as a caricature of what "black culture" is to white suburban kids.

[@sonicboom564]

@@damiendiem lol

[@Deneteus]

@@mazzar2739 If all you saw was unnecessary destruction and violence that came along with the scene then of course you would view it as negative. When friends and family were dying amd going to prison over 'that life' for no reason but the 90s rap dream and the suffering that went into it and people were fed a false lifestyles and told that was the only way then it created an active level of understandable animosity. We lost friends, cousins, fathers, mothers, uncles, and grandparents to a generation of willful ignorance and then we were sold the idea that it was the past that was holding the black community back. People were shot over a false idol generated by years of ignorance.

[@michaelboucher7645]

Ether get rid of the noise or get rid of the noise gate, the cutting in and out is distracting!!

[@-47-]

34:36 that "get into the weeds" always makes me chuckle

[@masonine]

32:26 these are not the only two options, and I don’t think the later is accurate of most cases. “I don’t care” could be accurate, but I think a lot of times when there are requests like that which are rejected, it’s because the person(s) prioritize their preference over the person asking - it’s not a case of “I don’t care.”

[@Booer]

3:07 clip it and ship it boys, ha! We got em!

[@beinggood5720]

Hard conversation but productive.

[@gjallarnews140]

I think an example of the "We're not going to be like that"-household was shown in Chris' family from Everybody hates Chris.

[@jn0125]

Here is my experience with the N word in chicago. My family is of mexican decent. My moms side grew up in an all black neighborhood and my brothers joined an all black crew in the late 80's early 90's. They were allowed to use the N word. Including the next door neighbors who's sons also joined and were of puertorican decent. Now my aunts side of the family grew up in an all Mexican neighborhood and her kids joined an all Latin gang. They used the N word left and right and some could pass for white if it wasn't for there last name and the spanish language they spoke. To this day my aunts entire side uses that word at home and with all their friends. They all grew up in hood culture nowhere near blacks and used the word. You go into any Latin neighrhood in chicago and ride public transit with high-school kids and they all are saying it. The word has spread far and wide to all cultures in the U.S. and it's partly because of thug rap and hood culture becoming popular and the word becoming everyday vernacular for people other than African Americans. I personally never used it or cared to use it but in high-school all of my classmates used it everyday and the black students didn't care one bit or at least didn't say anything.

[@slikkwill4137]

My best friends growing up who I looked up to basically gave me n word pass. Not like I used it a lot but I would joke with it and they know that so they know I'm not racist. This was when I was younger and ofc kids who hear it every day from friends they will use it. All black people I've encountered aren't dumb and understand context and are pretty chill. I will say I live in the deep south and I've heard white people try to relate their racism to me and use the hard r on multiple occasions.

[@KristoferGrey]

There is big difference between doing these kind of jokes between friends and public space.

[@slikkwill4137]

@@KristoferGrey yeah it was always private

[@tommy1344]

Fanatiq is a personal fav of mine when it comes to people destiny talks to. He’s very smart and comes off very honest

[@jasonborne5359]

WHERE IS PART 2???

[@fijiwater3151]

awesome conversation, really shifted my view on Fanatiq

[@ChaseFace]

I definitely prefer Fanatiq's newer calmer style, I hope it serves him well and he adds to the conversation!

[@finnancahill2644]

They need to get better settings on that noise gate

[@JassZoigel]

Holy shit yeah ;p this is a speakers talk

[@TheNewNationPodcast]

Hello. Why were the mics placed so fucking far away???

[@francothesucc9701]

Really have to give Fanatiq credit, this was a very good convo. If you’re reading this, keep it up!

[@iCryptixHD]

Loved this convo!

[@hueyhulk954]

Thank you Destiny for hit all the points on why "black" and "white" people don't have to talk about race.

[@alexandrasturmer5765]

I am not an american, but I find the oversensitivity about the N-word counter productive. Black culture had been starting to use the N-word as an equivalent to "bro" in music and with friends, to depower it's negative and racist meaning, empowering themselves in the process. Ironically, for some reason, the sensitivity to the word has grown though to the point, where people aren't even "allowed" to say the word anymore, even if it's just in the context of citation and without any personal adressing. Like am I allowed to sing the N-Word when it comes on in a song? Am I allowed to cite it if someone said it? Am I allowed to laugh about a joke containing the N-Word, or even using it in a sketch? Words are never "inherently evil" by themself, the context matters, and we should be careful to not diminish freedom of speech inch by inch by being too sensitive about it.

[@thinkoutsidethelines8265]

Personally I don't care what they think I say what I want to say but black people get so mad so I don't say it around them they even may get physical so its not worth it they view it like the f word where if you're not gay people get super mad but its even worse with nword so its not safe to say in public unless you are black

[@leleltea8921]

Obamna

[@SigurTibbs]

this is an interesting conversation I've always felt like Destiny's biggest struggle is when it comes to talks about the black experience in America. Most of the arguments are vibes based. and black folks in general have a very different degree of access. It's one thing to read about blackness, its another to be black 24/7

[@landonech]

Damn, that noise gate gave me anxiety.

[@Choke-a-Cola]

50:37 i've never heard something so stupid, "it's offensive because it's offensive" or "this is culturally unacceptable wich is why it's unacceptable" destiny is arguing it shouldn't be and fanatiq is just constantly appealing to how it is right now

[@conradkorbol]

You can argue something shouldn’t be. But that doesn’t change that it is. We need to understand that we don’t exist in a bubble and if 90% of people around you feel a certain way and you don’t, unless it infringes on your safety or ability to live then we don’t actually need to question it.

[@rl2023te]

I'm Black and I don't want anyone using the word. You can't pick and choose its either everyone can use it or nobody can..

[@ChenKaifeng]

Couldn't care less if people are saying the n word without hostile intent. I'm black, and wish I could express how little I care about skin color in general. This is something that's not ever on my mind until I hear other people complaining about it. Usually I'm just thinking about my hobbies, work, or other random sh*t that pops up.

[@Deneteus]

Fanatiq sounds like he is a Root follower and Destiny isn't aware of the colorism and racism that goes down in the Black community. All of Fs arguments are from that direction. I've heard the same arguments from Louisiana southerners about black people not being racist to black people.

[@logiboy123]

You not trying to build your life around your experience, but then you only want a woman who has had that exact same experiences. Is this not the definition of building your life around something? When something is so important you exclude all other options in order to obtain that outcome.

[@Chumppi]

Does Fanatiq run this production? Why is this so high quality but his computer setup is so shit? :D

[@spifflord308]

Honestly, John McWhorter has fantastic stuff to say on this topic

[@sgtpatton]

always love seein fanatiq dggL

[@walt234234]

The idea that we re-claimed that word implies that was the intention. We just kept calling each other the n-word and came up with a post hoc excuse as to why we still use it.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

Stop saying "in the south", no one in south Mississippi are running around dropping hard R's, we are more cohesive down here than the coastal cities nowadays

[@gigey]

OBAMNA

[@nicoh848]

I will say, if something can conquer racism and spread understanding it’s love.

[@shman5000o]

Yo this is the weirdest First to 100 Marvel VS Capcom 2 set I've ever seen...

[@Tionn_Dudley]

😂😂😂 hella underrated comic I was thinking the same

[@shman5000o]

@@Tionn_Dudley appreciate it chief lol Im not too familiar with Fanatiq's history with Destiny. Just a couple convos I've seen here and there. But I'm starting to think a lot of people who follow Destiny aren't aware of Fanatiq's legacy in the Marvel VS Capcom 2/3 scene. But idk could be wrong tho

[@shiftdb]

I respect these two so much. Great convo

[@Malum95]

whos setup did fanatiq borrow? coz im pretty sure his mic aint this good

[@AyoSoma]

august forced to outsource other channels to get some content

[@RedStoner1000]

I actually really like and respect Fanatiq. He's pretty intelligent and I enjoy his conversations with Destiny. They're pretty adversarial, but their conversations are definitely good faith attempts to understand each other.

[@K1nan]

You haven't seen the panel debate if you think Fanatiq is good faith

[@S13pt]

@@K1nan slavery omegalul

[@RedStoner1000]

@@K1nan The panel debates are hardly an opportunity for anyone to have nuanced conversations

[@andrewoliver3053]

Oh boy, August really is starved for content no offence to fanatiq or his show, but the league streams will end someday soon Copium.

[@sethturnbull554]

The noise gating on this video is so hard to ignore.

[@user-fz3sz2dj4r]

I disagree with Fanatiq a bunch but I respect him and enjoy his content a ton . Always pumped to see him on a panel with D

[@degenxayah]

Holy shit Destiny brought up Emery, i thought NOOOBODY listened to them. Ive never heard anyone bring that band up before. Good times man

[@metalspy]

only thing i can think if is how Fanatiq still manages it as a self claimed musician and this format to have still such a shiitty mic while on panels.

[@coolcorey13755]

Where does a person find a shirt with uneven pockets?

[@XSpamDragonX]

I don't see how he can get away with ignoring the optics of specifically saying he would only date black women, when we all know the optics of saying that you would only date white women, or more specifically on the internet, asian women. Fanatiq explains himself very well, he just needs to accept that people, especially on the internet, aren't gonna imagine anything other than racism if all you say is "I would only date one race."

[@XSpamDragonX]

@@opctpos. What is your point? I don't have a problem with his personal preferences, I just think it's ignorant to expect that people wouldn't think you're racist if you say "I would only date Black women" AND don't give any of the other information that he explained both in the original panel stream, and more eloquently in this discussion.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Is it racist if a white guy says they'll only date black women?

[@MO-zk8qs]

@@XSpamDragonX I think at this point there is enough information on fanatiqs statement out there, that anyone who still considers him racist while refusing to look further (out of cynicism or indifference) displays more ignorance. I agree it's ideal to consider optics, it is important. but I think the internet, especially Twitter/reddit folk, are too comfortable basing their veiw on someone through bite-sized first impressions. it is a super destructive habit

[@XSpamDragonX]

@@MO-zk8qs I said he explained himself, but it's clear that he believes he shouldn't have to explain himself, which is what I disagree with.

[@koo-data4742]

Fun fact. Fanatiq is a legendary Marvel vs. Capcom 2 player.

[@kingz7151]

Out of all the IRL conversations Destiny has had, this is my favorite simply because it's just him and Fanatiq talking.

[@nicoh848]

"The idea that an educated person is more likely to see education as valuable" is absurd. Do you think "un-educated" people working minimum wage jobs, barely staying above the surface while working long hours and maybe even multiple jobs don’t wish they were better educated and could get better opportunities in life? They are not stupid, it would be easy to argue that they would value education more so than educated people. I think his argument is rooted in how "uneducated" people often come from parents who were "uneducated" and who’s kids will likely be. However ignoring the fact that this is not because they don’t want to be educated, but because they often don’t have the financial opportunity to.

[@bbirdie9226]

This is a good video

[@darkaquatus]

The very first issue shows that people with strong racist tendencies like Fanatiq aren't necessarily evil. They can just hold very backwards ideas in life without actively hurting people with it.

[@3br1ce7]

i just realized that this is the same fanatiq who played marvel vs capcom 3

[@nicoh848]

I feel like the "I'm gonna date someone with the same race as me as they are more likely to understand my pain" is easily compared to a victim of violence only wanting to date someone else who has also been a victim of violence as they would be more likely to understand.. Sure, but someone who hasn’t won't not be able to empathise, maybe not to the same degree, but it would spread awareness outside of a "circle" (other victims) and in the long run that seems to me to be an ideal path.. (I understand having a preference, I just don’t think it should be weighed too heavily for that reason..) Open to debate..

[@fruehlingsobst8123]

Fanatiq: _"I'm not racist. Context matters!"_ Also Fanatiq: _"If your skin color is white, context doesn't matter!"_ 🤦‍♂️

[@dominicvioli7098]

Idk this is just a feeling but I can't imagine fantiqs future son or daughter is going to have much choice in weather they self hate or not. They would not only be breaking their fathers heart but also letting the key utility of their parents union going to waste.

[@crimsonghoul6758]

Still waiting for the mention of white chick's where both Wayne brothers gave the ok to sing in songs. That's one main reason a lot of ppl will still sing it in song.

[@Thelordmagedon]

Holy Shit, Emery? Didn’t expect Destiny to name drop them

[@SFTNReviews]

The oppression Olympics was a mistake. People arguing over who's hurt worse, or which action is worse is just pointless. It serves only to divide people. People feel bitter when someone else tells them that their problems aren't as "bad" as theirs. It feels dismissive even if it isn't meant that way. It's time to call out these people out. Their narcissism and lack of empathy are poison.

[@Mant111]

Marxism is designed to divide people, that's where the whole "oppressor vs oppressed" narrative comes from. Once that is established, the next step is "designing ourselves as the oppressed so society won't complain when we steal from the oppressor".

[@Mant111]

@@ecta9604 We argue that stuff on the basis of the invididual, not group identity. That's your really, really good reason, because once you shift from the first to the second you justify stuff like "collective guilt", and history teaches how pernicious that line of thought is.

[@ecta9604]

Hold the phone, we argue over who was hurt worse or who did worse actions all the time. We do it legally in court or on the grand scale in diplomacy, and we do it in our everyday lives when we decide whether we should end a relationship with another person or apologize to someone or arbitrate disputes between our friends. These are only a few examples. We do this kind of comparison all the time. If we do this all the time anyway we should have a *really, really good reason* to forbid a certain group of people from using what is a very common and useful technique for understanding the world.

[@ecta9604]

@@Mant111 That’s an in-group/out-group thing, not a Marxist thing. Replace Marxist with Christian or add a colonizer/colonized element and you’ll get the same thing. Watch: "Christianity is about designing ourselves as the faithful so society won't complain when we steal from the Jews and the infidels" "Colonizing Mexico is about defining ourselves as the heroic conquistadors so that Spain won't complain when we steal from the native peoples" Marxism isn’t special here. Creating an in-group and an out-group and then using your membership in the in-group to justify mistreating the out-group is an extremely common thing. If having that happen is all you need to dismiss an entire tradition I’ve got bad news for you about pretty much every group ever - you may lead a lonely existence from now on.

[@Mant111]

@@ecta9604 I have no idea what you're talking about here. Marxism is explicitly about oppressor vs oppressed narratives. They played that game decades ago under the "Have" and "Not Have" lens to justify their robbing and killings against the Kulaks, and in present society they've shifted to a "White" and "Black" racial lens with the underlying philosphy and goals unchanged. I don't give a fuck about catholics or colonizers robbing people in the past, I care about this evil today.

[@fungdark8270]

I can’t hear “in-group” in reference to a group of black guys without thinking, “n-group?!?! Lmao” My brain is broken

[@nadeoki]

these are not good condenser mics. Who picked them?

[@alewis17]

12:13 that smile afterwards lmao

[@Nazareadain]

The n-word is a slur. That's its class. The difference to other slurs is history. That's the severity. Black people trying to repurpose it, is a recontextualization that barely works because it doesn't remove any of that history, and the race-based exceptionalism just makes the history even more apparent.

[@batezioman7448]

At work thanks August