Confronting Hasan Piker on Socialist Grift, Hypocrisy, and How “The Top 1%” Keeps You Poor!

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Time Stamps:
0:00 - Intro
1:28 - Why Hasan Got Canceled For Drinking Starbucks
3:34 - It's NOT Your Fault You're Poor
7:12 - Teachers Need To Be Paid More
9:40 - Do You Need Luck to Achieve Success?
12:47 - Is The American Dream DEAD?!
15:31 - Hasan’s Background & Life Story
22:26 - Do Higher Taxes Stop People From Working Hard?
23:48 - The BIGGEST Problem In The USA
33:44 - Is Capitalism A Good Thing?
34:41 - Hasan's Favorite Republican Policies
42:12 - Hasan’s Thoughts On Ben Shapiro
48:26 - Why "Blue States" Are FAILING
51:18 - Why Shoplifting Has Become A Big Issue
58:20 - Why Conservatives Are Happier Than Liberals
1:01:45 - How Covid "Radicalized" Elon Musk & Joe Rogan
1:03:27 - Hasan's Thoughts On DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion)
1:16:09 - The Media "Anti-White" Media Conditioning
1:19:29 - Why Hasan Thinks Squatters Are "DOPE"
1:48:57 - Are Unpaid Internships Ethical?
1:53:50 - Is Hasan a "Champagne Socialist"?
1:58:50 - Why Hasan Doesn't Invest In The Stock Market
2:02:50 - Hasan's Retirement Plan
2:14:47 - WILD Rapid Fire Questions (From Hasan’s Discord)
2:23:07 - Hasan Completes A Political Figure TIER LIST
2:33:00 - Closing Thoughts
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[@frykauf]

As non US citizen the percentage of Americans in medical debt is completely harrowing to me. The fact you can get ridiculously high fee every time bc your bank account is low should be illegal.

[@chpgmr1372]

There is also ways to get out of the debt but no one talks about it because one side doesnt want you to know about it so you keep paying and the other side doesnt want it to become known so it doesnt get closed.

[@thomascromwell6840]

​@@chpgmr1372Does your plan for getting out of debt involve buying zero soy milk lattes? Is that what no one talks about from the podiums of every Republican National Convention, the state legislatures, presidential campaign speeches, presidential addresses to the nation, 24x7 spewing of bs from the most boomer watched TV news and entertainment channels in the United States of A**holes?

[@woodchuck003]

Your second sentence is a bad talking point, not only does it incentivize people to write bad checks, but it ignores the reality that most banks have been removing their overdraft fees.

[@fontanasurron]

@@woodchuck003 hey boomer, who the fuck is writing checks in 2024??

[@Madderthanjoker]

@@fontanasurron What do you mean people don't read the daily newspapers, get their shoes shined and write checks anymore?

[@juancal10]

I work in public education. We have lost so many great educators because they can't make ends meet.

[@MCSurvivalMode]

Get a job in the summer. Such a joke.

[@kingkarlito]

sad that Hasan will never invest into supporting political causes that might improve the lives of educators.

[@9cClimber]

@@MCSurvivalMode your a loser buddy

[@bordedup546]

​@@MCSurvivalMode is there a summer job that don't pay minimum wage? and are there enough for everyone working as a teacher? if these existed and teachers were actually free during the whole summer, they would've already taken them

[@woolphallus]

@@MCSurvivalMode Just work more bro, trust me bro you just need to sell all of your waking hours and then you can scrape by and still teach the next generation of adults while having no downtime or energy. Go back to Destiny's streams, kid. Real people with real jobs don't need your 12yo takes.

[@tallergeese]

It was so funny when Jack got excited about Hasan saying Lex was a true centrist. Hasan did not mean that in a positive way.

[@uhwaykin]

He did and he didn’t, I think. Centrism leads to ideological compromise in virtually every circumstance (except apparently when it’s a deeply personally held idea by the centrist), which often doesn’t lead to the best outcomes or even good ones. BUT. A genuine centrist that sincerely believes that compromise is good and differing ideas and opinions deserved to be weighed in good faith in the overwhelming majority of circumstances is actually a pretty honest dealer and that is actually relatively admirable even if, again, their resistance toward polarized ideological positions means they tend toward bad or unproductive outcomes. A true centrist of the sort they were identifying in Lex is actually more honest in situations where a liberal/conservative might be more willing to obfuscate in order not to weaken their ideological position.

[@moodycxnt]

Hasan described Lex like that recently, said he's a centrist in the best of ways and a good interviewer, so I think he was being sorta kind to Lex, and frankly very wrong

[@albionshero31]

He likes Lex. Wants to try and figure out how to go on his podcast. Tried when he was in Tx but schedules didn’t work

[@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper]

As an administrative assistant i feel that in my soul dood ​@albionshero31

[@simonji2940]

He says lex is the only good centrist, he isnt a both sides are right kind of centrist that just ends up being wrong twice, hes simply neutral and open to talk to anyone

[@MrYat300]

I liked Hasan's point about teaching. Im a chemical engineer but if teaching paid more I'd love to have a life teaching and helping young people to become passionate about chemistry or physics

[@wakeywakeyy_]

yes! i'm a student studying engineering and while i do love it, i won't lie i've genuinely found teaching to be interesting. But you know, not a sustainable job...

[@-kerplink-7738]

industries like teaching and caregiving that have massive positive externalities are very frequently underprovided by a free market, because the nature of that widespread positive outcome means the corporations cant make enough of a profit off of it directly, even if it would manifest itself as a better set of employees down the line for example. Its a sad reality we live in where free market capitalism is seen as some kind of force of nature that will provide if we let it when it demonstrably won't.

[@MC-kl5mp]

pharmacist here and my dream job would be teaching. sadly, you can catch me dosing iv's in a basement.

[@DG-kr8pt]

​@@-kerplink-7738 Teachers are one of the rare professions that every one has had a direct experience with them and is why they are paid exactly what they should. In fact, they are probably over paid since most are paid through taxes. But it is a hard job to have the intellect one grade above what you teach, teach largely the same curriculum every year, grade papers with a key/you wrote the test, and have summers off. Glorified babysitters that either really love teaching, couldnt cut it professionally in their area, or were scared to work professionally and stuck to what they've know their whole life, academia.

[@Mich-jk2ze]

@@wakeywakeyy_ Well that's your call to make. If you are smart about money, you can make it work on a lot less than you think. So many people just don't have plans to build wealth. A lot of that is saving, if things go south, you have extra that you can supplement your income with. All the people I know who are really struggling are all strung out with loans and payment plans for the dumbest stuff. Owing money on cars, phones, and even furniture. People teach because they love teaching and believe in the work more than the money. If you believe in the money more than the work, be ready to sacrifice some of what you love.

[@Madderthanjoker]

The Purdue chicken story sounds so comically evil that I had to look into it my self. It's just hilarious how it just sounds ridiculous enough that it should exist in a work of fiction about evil corporations.

[@rubenandersen1773]

Feels straight out of the Simpsons

[@dv527]

What’s the time stamp ? I can’t find it !

[@missalanna09]

@@dv527 If you start around 1:42ish you and listen on you'll catch it.

[@zach31194]

1:45:00

[@ExcedereInInfinitum]

fiction is based about reality

[@pamelamontesinoszimmermann8863]

Unpaid internships, only people who can afford to not get paid can do internships. Probably all of you had housing and your basic needs were met when doing your internships. It is classist because there are many talented people but they can’t afford to not get paid.

[@PiscosAmerica]

Shhhh you are exposing the grift 😂

[@DBoone123]

imagine wanting less for others because you cant have that, scarcity mindset

[@davidsweeney3360]

You should still have to get paid. Almost everyone will do internships in their lives it’s not really an optional thing, you should get paid.

[@pamelamontesinoszimmermann8863]

Yes, I agree everyone should get paid even people that have money. It is a job. I was just explaining how privileged people that are okay with unpaid internships.

[@Vosk21]

@@DBoone123 you literally just described every socialist

[@Exxo107]

Ghram, my childhood home way built in 1910. It's still standing, it's had renovations over the years to stay liveable. Houses like this are torn down and rebuilt because it cheaper then renovating because it's an investment opportunity rather than being used as shelter. No sane homeowner would bulldoze their dwelling space for a few extra dollars on a mortgage loan lmao

[@saulgoodman2018]

My house that I am living in was build in the 1860's.

[@yeetyeet7070]

of course, it's insane to believe what these 2 believe

[@rovic93]

As an engineer in the defense Industry I completely agree with Hasan. I have seen first hand how contractors over charge for services/ parts and engineering salaries are getting lower as time goes by or barely being compensated at all while being overworked

[@swickens930]

BAHAHAHAHA, engineers and companies who order parts rip off production lines so hard. Im a CnC Machinist, we make like 15 Cents per machine hour from "industries." Engineers blow dude. We have aerospace parts that are practically a square box and the engineer will write some insane tolerance like +/- .0002 and if we don't make the part to that size, we have to scrap the whole part. Scrapping 2 lbs of aluminum causes us to lose money because the aerospace company only pays us like 12$ for the part. Then that same aerospace company sells that same part for like 450$. We literally made the whole part from scratch, bought the machines to do it, and pay for the material, and we follow all QC standards. "Engineers in the defense industry" try everything they can do to pay less money for all their parts. A good comparison is my company also makes military contracted parts, specifically scope stuff for guns. But, my company has a sister company and we make ARs and other guns for that sister company. If our sister company sells 1,000 ARs, we make WAAAYYYYYY more money than if some defence contractor pays us for 1,000 ARs. We make like 10 times less money for weapon contracts if it's ordered by a 3rd party company or state entity

[@FunctionallyLiteratePerson]

​​@@swickens930engineers usually don't determine those tolerances, they are often determined ahead of time where they have to meet a standard - which can vary between an industry or international one, a client one, or an internal company/team one. Source: my partner is an engineer.

[@swickens930]

@@FunctionallyLiteratePerson Every single product we make including aerospace parts are have tolerances specifically decided by the engineer. Our engineer literally calls their engineer if we have an issue. The "decided before hand" is just a different engineer

[@rocksparadox]

@@swickens930 ''Every single product we make including aerospace parts are have tolerances specifically decided by the engineer.'' Perhaps the tolerances are CALCULATED by the engineer based on the usage, expected strain/wear and expected lifetime of the part. Instead of worrying about well educated engineers being ''overpaid'' you could worry about the profits that go to the bigwigs in the defense industry. If it's about saving lives, wasting parts that don't meet the0.02% tolerance is a solid choice.

[@swickens930]

@@rocksparadox Saving lives 🤓🤓 engineers just use AutoCAD now bro you don't need that much education. It's not that engineers are overpaid. It's that assembly facilities literally r*pe machinists for parts. We're talking like a couple dollars in profit for a part sometimes or even pennies. Contractors aren't overcharging for parts bro

[@maoyuu1]

To reflect on the point on paying more taxes. My dad has always told me that he'd rather make more money and pay more in taxes than to make less. Even when you pay more in taxes you are still receiving more useable income.

[@MCShrek201]

Yes, but higher tax rates flattens everybody, which you may be ok with, but it will inherently make the market more risk averse, which will stifle innovation. If the tax rates were up at 60% or higher, then it would mean that an entrepreneur has less potential upside to starting a company, so they would take the risk vs reward ratio and deceide its not worth it and go do a day job. All this to say, higher tax rates flattens everyone economically, which you might be fine with, but that means that there will be less innovation and small businesses that create new technologies, which will inherently lower everybody's standards of living.

[@entername5706]

You sound like the type of guy that likes to share his gf😂😂😂

[@epictube51]

​@@entername5706Weird that's on your mind, seek help or indulge bozo

[@hericiumcoralloides5025]

Except for the fact that the most properous period in western history correlated to a period of high taxes (especially sky high marginal tax rates). As far as innovation goes, in periods and places with high taxes, gorvenment investment in inovation also tended to be high. It's not just a question of personal motivation, but of policy, politcal will and politcal strategy. Many places with high taxes have generous programs to foster business creation.

[@martianproductions997]

​@@entername5706 Oh no someone made a good point but I don't agree with the underlying ideology what do I do?? A)Make a smart and researched counter-argument. B)Stay quiet as I don't know enough about the topic. C)Make a bad point but one that will at least save face. D)ROFL! CUK BETAA JOE BRANDON WOKE DERPY DERP

[@colegreene2153]

I do love the fact checking / context that is added mid conversation.. I don’t see a lot of podcasts doing this and it’s very valuable

[@bobhanson1037]

Hasans yt videos do the same thing btw

[@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper]

I listened with my eyes closed

[@saulgoodman2018]

They are not doing any fact checking either.

[@noBody-ue6cs]

Jamie takes offense to this

[@beansdestroyer]

@@bobhanson1037 lmao he is literally a self admitted propagandist . get help and touch grass leftoid bugman

[@PineappleBro99]

The rent one bugs me with the whole “oh people want to rent”. the majority of people want to own their own home, they just can’t because they’re paying more than a mortgage would be to rent each month which prevents them from saving up for an actual mortgage. I think that people need shelter and landlords have become so predatory. You can’t find a “starter home” anymore. Starter homes are half a million nowadays

[@noahboucher125]

People rent while they're looking for a permanent residence, nobody enjoys moving

[@curmudgeon1933]

@@noahboucher125 . Exactly, and rents are now so expensive that it becomes impossible for the average worker, after expenses, to accumulate enough to put down a deposit. Therefore they are forced to continue paying rent to a landlord. Increasingly this is a vast corporate investment holding company, who use their profits to buy more real estate, thus monopolizing even more of the housing market. As their primary goal is to maximize profits, increasing rents inflates the house prices, which increases the value of their portfolio...which encourages them to increase rents even more.

[@bridget1138]

Hi first I wanna say I love Hasan he's great, but there really is people who would rather rent. My boyfriend's dad for example hates owning a home. He inherited a home and he hates how expensive it is to do repairs and the property taxes

[@victormapereira]

​@@bridget1138you can't take exception and think it's the rule

[@amandazamora4527]

Plus, rent cannot be reflex anywhere. If people were allow to report it to build credit. Maybe they will use it to buy a house

[@curmudgeon1933]

1:51:30. It would be interesting to know how Jack and Graham supported themselves while they were "happily working for free". lol

[@brunomillalaf8553]

Probably family or maybe they had another job/savings. Which not everybody has. But it’s probably what they did.

[@curmudgeon1933]

@@brunomillalaf8553 . Obviously, but it illustrates how many of the highest-paid and most influential jobs are selectively only available to those that already have substantial resources. Many of the most highly prized internships in media, tech, finance and politics are located in some of the most expensive areas like Washington, New York, LA, San Francisco, Seattle, etc. As an intern, you are expected to be available at all hours to 'show your work ethic'...not a lot of time left to wait tables or work a second job to pay the bills. Therefore, the chances for people from low-income backgrounds to compete, becomes severely limited, especially without the networking connections provided by an elite private education and familial introductions.

[@theryster77]

Jack literally worked for Graham for free in college prior to becoming a partner in the business, lived at home while working a dishwashing job Edit: not to mention all the while he was in college

[@youtubeyoutubeyoutube9961]

EXACTLY. Of course they'd never divulge that info since it would take away their point haha.

[@Ncseventeen1976]

In Graham's case He was 18-19 years old and just out of high school. He also made a good deal of money during high school working for some store selling fish/coral.

[@SS-sf4lb]

I remember eating ramen noodles for every meal as a kid and people wanna sit here and say it was my fault I was falling asleep in class.

[@droptableaccount1820]

Oh poor you.

[@roundskyer127]

@@droptableaccount1820 u didnt have to press enter on that one lil bro

[@LucienWhite-fb5qk]

@@droptableaccount1820 show me where they asked for your sympathy, please I'll wait..

[@chicotheworld9763]

@@droptableaccount1820 look at you picking on ramen eating kids

[@michaelmatthiesen8300]

​@@droptableaccount1820the point isn't to farm sympathy. It's to point out material conditions that lead to cycles of poverty. I didn't really eat unless I was at school. Weekends sucked. But that was less a poverty issue on my end, more a parents having weird priorities thing. Material conditions beyond my control still led to me having all kinds of issues in school and in health. The point isn't for you to feel bad for us. It's for us to reassess how we structure society. America has more empty homes than it has homeless people. Americans already pay a ton in taxes but have nothing to show for it. We could just spend 30% less on our military, Stull have the largest military in the world, and actually have meaningful social programs, all without raising taxes for anybody. Nevermind the issue of wealth taxes on those with too much wealth to spend in 100 life times. When we talk about taxing the rich, we aren't talking about people with a couple million. We're talking about people with thousands of millions. Roads, public transportation, food, housing, these are the bare minimum a country should be expected to provide its citizens. Lack of public transportation can lock people out of participating in the economy because they can't afford a car to get to work if they have no way of ever getting to work in the first place. Walkable cities could also help with this. Our country throws away sooo much food for the sake of protecting profit. This is unacceptable in such a wealthy nation with such food insecurity. Take a look in the mirror. Poor you. Poor American citizens. Paying so much into a system and getting nothing in return except being a part of the world's bloodiest war machine.

[@joplimat]

I think it's a common feeling to put a safety net in place for the unlucky and downtrodden in America. Pity for the homeless is a basic human response, and, somehow, in America, there's been a numbing effect for the plight of these poor people.

[@spritelass6712]

In America we are being conditioned to hate and fear the homeless. It's a warning. If you don't put up with the awful treatment at work you will end up like them.

[@Senumunu]

there is no such thing as an American anymore. 30 million people immigrated over the last 7 years alone. you cant have social safety nets when your population cant agree on who is american and who isnt. no nation can pay for the poverty of its surrounding countries and remain wealthy. millennials will never own a home. if they have children its going to be even worse.

[@Mich-jk2ze]

Yeah, I suppose. things we do have for them is the fact that hospitals can't refuse service even if they don't think the homeless will pay them. There are a lot of food banks and homeless shelters that try to get people back on track, but these people are ridiculously disabled by drugs, drug inflicted conditions, and other genetic conditions; however, we can't let them just die like that, but we also need to actually rehabilitate them. Sadly, drugs have taken such a hold on so many of them, that they are fine living on the street as long as they can do whatever their drug of choice is every now and then. I think we need to crack down on drugs honestly, specifically those coming from Mexico, like fent. So many people are homeless because of addictions, not economic down turn. They could've had all the money in the world and still would've blown it or hurt themselves doing drugs.

[@Nugget-On]

@@Mich-jk2ze I can follow your sentiment, but a lot of these people are faced poverty and therefore turn to drugs to cope with it, not the other way around. So the people who turn into homeless drug addicts, turn to drugs and become addicted when faced with homelessness and/or the reality that they would never be able to climb out of poverty. I agree, cracking down on the illegal drug trade of hard drugs like fentanyl is awesome, but this would just mean the addicts turn to other addictions to fill the void the old one left behind. They still remain homeless and addicted, nothing changes.

[@Mich-jk2ze]

@@Nugget-On I don't think your're ever forced to drugs. Many people fall into drugs then become homeless. Not many are homeless then drug addicts. When you're addicted to street drugs, you'll blow any money you do have and end up on the streets. Well, I agree, many of them will seek out different drugs, stopping fentanyl would , protect kids from dying to laced drugs and would give them one less very deadly drug to choose from. These people won't get off the drugs and get jobs, they are fine as long as they can get the euphoria from things like fentanyl. We HAVE to stop the drugs so they are forced to cope with it in some better way. Ik in my city, a lot of homeless shelters are often not visited by homeless people because there's no way for them to buy drugs inside the shelters and they are searched for any on the way in. The drugs lock them in a miserable cycle with a hit of euphoria every now and then. The price of fentanyl has dropped around 900% in some places due to how much is coming across from China. I sincerely believe that without drugs, those other coping mechanisms would be, certainly on average, better for the homeless people. Sure there are other factors that made them homeless, but only one is guaranteed to keep them there, drug addiction.

[@moodycxnt]

What is wrong with the idea that we should remunerate people very well for doing tasks and jobs that we actually require? Teachers are some of the most important people in society, if teaching became a job people considered because it paid as well as some dork with a marketing degree at a toilet paper company maybe things would actually be better.

[@ronswanson1410]

You don’t have to be a socialist to want this. These are liberal ideas that can exist in a capitalist system, which is the same system Hasan has thrived in. Simple things like paying your taxes and advocating for higher pay, welfare systems, etc is not socialism.

[@whiteboyrick6107]

@@ronswanson1410 that's true, Hasan knows this, he purposefully only talks about reforms to liberals and saves talking about why welfare systems/social democracies are only bandaid solutions to capitalism because for example they rely heavily on imperialism for random segments he does on his stream. He's actually surprisingly well versed on marxist ideology he just doesn't talk about it much on large platforms because he's more interested in saving people from da right wing (who are less likely to listen to him talk about communism)

[@SASMADBRUV7]

​@whiteboyrick6107 hasan knows nothing. Couldn't describe why he's not a champagne socialist, couldn't explain why he doesn't have investments even though that's better for everyday people than it sitting in a bank, can't justify his consumerist lifestyle. He laughed at a woman being shot, said America deserved 9/11, made homophobic and transphobic statements. Spreads misinformation whether it is on war, economics or himself. He's a terrible person who is also an idiot.

[@dancinginfernal]

@@ronswanson1410 Correct. But he is also a Socialist. He is simply proposing rational reforms within the system because he recognizes that while not everyone is a radical, he still wants to improve life for all in the short-term while we still exist under Capitalism.

[@bozzie_]

Not only is this not a viewpoint that requires socialism to be enacted, but absolutely nothing he does represents the lifestyle of an actual socialist.

[@Sarah-vr2jq]

i think praising someone for being good faith is not a very good metric. some people are "good faith" racists. i wouldnt praise them or even give them "credit" for that. Also i have noticed that graham uses a lot of anecdotes like the squatter example. one smart guy exploiting a legal loophole is not the average or even common reason someone squats. Sometimes the arguments feel very out of touch with reality

[@RyanG487]

Yeah, I got really annoyed with him at that same point but that's how all conservative arguments break down to; making up a scenario in their head and getting upset about it. How is one guy doing something kind of bad an issue with the whole system, but thousands of landlords gouging their tenants by charging rent, not only, not considered bad but lauded by Graham?

[@AAAAAA-qs1bv]

It depends, I'd praise someone for being good faith in engaging with other ideas. Those people will pretty quickly then stop being racists if you just talk with them heart to heart.

[@evtv304]

Of course the arguments feel out of touch, bc they are so far removed from that experience and get their news through headlines abt crime ridden cities on fox news. They have no real understanding of the average homeless persons plight

[@blazedorange]

Would it be worse to be racist because you're being paid to be? I'd say yes cause then you're racist and a liar.

[@spitperson69]

Deconstructing the good faith thing is easy. Hitler. Like yeah, any nazi is the most extreme form of an argument but I don’t think anyone could disagree that nazis genuinely believed what they were doing was good. But they were wrong. More wrong than any other group of people in history. Their intentions, anyone’s intentions, pale in comparison to the outcome of their actions. Believing you’re a hero for advocating genocide makes absolutely no difference to the fact that genocide is bad.

[@thastayapongsak4422]

34:10 he was cooking how to phrase decommodify housing and workplace democracy in a non-communist sounding way 😂

[@ClebLive]

lmao i notice that too, i feel like he was trying his hardest to not say a redistribution of wealth and property

[@martyna.888]

Why would someone prefer to rent??? I think most people would prefer to have the stability of having a home…. But they don’t have the option

[@69niceGoatboy]

The "prefers to rent" talking point was used more and some people actually had that opinion before the pandemic. The argument was you don't have as much maintenance or liability if you rent. Since the pandemic I have not heard anyone say they prefer to rent. The massive rent increases and lack of available homes had every person I talked to, especially those that sold their homes to cash in on rising prices and instead rent, regret it.

[@jefferylowery5796]

I have a lot of stuff going on in life, and I prefer not to add home maintenance to that list. I could easily afford a house, but I prefer to rent.

[@billysk892]

Also the ability to be able to up and leave to another city or country without being tied down by a mortgage is a benefit.

[@SeisoYabai]

Its straight up not knowing better. I had a friend tell me this opinion after telling him the house he rents would be cheaper if he and his roommates were to buy it. And he said he'd rather a landlord deal with and fix all the things he's supposed to and it's just... Dude, it's literally the same thing. You call the landlord, they call someone to fix it. In your own home, you call the plumber yourself. Done. You are literally just paying someone for them to decide how your money is spent.

[@jefferylowery5796]

⁠​⁠I’ll maintain flexibility in life by continuing to rent, and I’ll keep my focus on making millions. You’re completely free to tie yourself down with a mortgage and worry about pinching pennies. It’s straight up not knowing better to think that no one else could have a different approach to life.

[@Shunbound]

Personally. I think the last 10k years of human development have been trying to ease the struggle of existing. Like imagine if ancient humans just didn't start farming because they'd always been nomadic. The logic itself is fundamentally inhuman.

[@bordedup546]

yea and by making living easier people get to use their brain for work instead of their physical labor, making the economy more able to produce stuff for more people and so on

[@woolphallus]

It had, but capitalism requires efficiency to be maximized at every possible opportunity to increase profits. This means that instead of freeing up more time and energy for downtime with innovations, the bosses of the world just set higher targets. The goal posts will always keep moving in this system. Sure, there have been advancements that make life more comfortable for people with enough wealth and privilege, but things still are way harder than they need to be for the majority. Medieval peasants, although they didn't have a life that most would envy; had significantly more vacation time than people now. Many people in the US don't even get paid vacation time.

[@breplaph]

He literally said you guys deserve shelter and to not kill yourselves working for the rest of your lives and you're still complaining.

[@eeyun5279]

“Guys, he said one completely unarguable meaningless platitude, like, how could you still dislike him!”

[@RosscoAW]

@@eeyun5279 Who hurt you? No, I'm not genuinely asking, I don't care -- clearly nobody really cares about you, and that's your own problem -- but, hey, keep on pretending that isn't painfully obvious to everybody, even on the internet through the "guise" of anonymity that you think protects your incredibly fragile ego from being immediately obvious to.

[@gormeroth]

​@@RosscoAWnonsensical rambling that had nothing to do with what that guy said. Touch grass.

[@eeyun5279]

@@RosscoAW lol. Why would you call me “fragile” when you’re the one clearly having an emotional reaction to the point of losing the plot over a pretty benign disagreement. I can respect an insult but at least manage your emotions enough so you can make sense. Lol.

[@meltedsnowman9637]

That’s what a ton of communists say and their system consistently leads to massively higher poverty and far lower living standards. Who cares about a few meaningless words? Results are what matter.

[@zaviersyed8483]

46:03 can anyone enlighten me on this "good faith question"? What the fuck does good faith matter if you are actively advocating for the continued marginalization and alienation of certain groups? What purpose does good faith have when all your talking points are written and approved by oil corporations and think-tanks?

[@dollarindimes]

this was honestly, a concerning moment for this podcast lmao. as a gay man, i definitely look at them a little differently.

[@chatter4427]

yeah i was like if you actually belive in bad things you advocate that just makes you evil or stupid

[@eddya6983]

so being good faith with your beliefs is important for individual people and interpersonal relationships. But if you have power or reach it doesn't matter if you believe what you are a saying or doing.

[@enider]

@@eddya6983 Pretty much, being good faith matters in a person to person context, but wether you belive in for example banning abortions or not does not realy matter if you advocate for their banning to your audience of tens of thousands of people

[@zaviersyed8483]

@@eddya6983 thank you for clarifying. Follow up question: If someone were to, hypothetically, advocate for cruel policies “in good faith”, would that not just make them a cruel person?

[@goutamboppana961]

"is capitalism a good thing?" hasan trying to answer that to the hosts without sounding like a "crazy commie" or oooh "dangerous communist" is just so good, it gives me chuckles everytime

[@martianproductions997]

Because current discourse has made it impossible to criticize capitalism at all without people screaming "crazy commie". Reminds me of the book 1984 when they talk about language and how they simplified language to make it harder to express oneself so people cant voice their displeasure with the system. I feel like we did the same thing but by making definitions and concepts nebulous and hard to define as so many people are redefining words to suit their narrative and ideology. It makes talking about any of these things impossible as everyone is going on their own definitions.

[@goutamboppana961]

@@martianproductions997 I know

[@claybell6971]

hasan supports reeducation camps, and the houthis bombing merchant ships, and china invading Taiwan, and china invading tibet. He absolutely is a "crazy commie"''

[@bozzie_]

@@goutamboppana961 It has nothing to do with some sort of Orwellian destruction of language and moreso the reality that Hasan lives one of the most capitalistic lifestyles possible.

[@williams1025]

Criticizing capitalism is ok. But actin like its the devil is just stupid. Hasan is literally a communist. Thats not "criticizing" capitalism lmao.

[@solala1312]

thank you for acknowledging that success is also partly due to luck. it helps understand why some people do not overcome poverty even if they work very very hard!

[@noahboucher125]

He had the right argument, too; plenty of people work hard.

[@Goma328]

Because that’s contrary to the American ideology

[@bordedup546]

that doesn't mean though that if you're poor it's only because you're unlucky. that's usually a nonsense excuse

[@sebastiantaylor6236]

This make beleive luck is BS. You create your own luck by putting yourself in situations where lucky things can happen. Thats usualy through hard work and being smart.

[@noahboucher125]

@@bordedup546 There are always going to be circumstances beyond your control, everyone is subject to this. Getting defensive about it makes you look foolish, and is reductive to all the people who work hard everyday and are still stuck in the same circumstances. Reality is that all the hard work in the world isn't worth anything if you don't have the right opportunities.

[@EzraFWelsh]

I think the key thing that is missed in any of these conversations is that we produce enough of everything for everyone to live comfortable lives as a base line. The responsibility to those we elected to be in charge should be ensuring that these resources make it to everyone equitably regardless of how productive they are.

[@LonelyRedStrawberry]

Yes exactly! Every city I've lived in, I've checked the number of homeless people vs the number of housing units sitting empty and there's always been more houses empty than people living in the streets. How does that make sense?

[@curmudgeon1933]

@@LonelyRedStrawberry . The powerful NEED a visible 'underclass' to point to as a moral lesson for ordinary people. By vilifying the homeless, and constantly labelling them as lazy, drug-addicted losers, the masses can be scared into working harder, longer hours and for lower and lower wages. The threat of homelessness is terrifying, especially if you have kids. When you add the horror of health insurance cover being dependent on your job...welcome to neo-feudalism.

[@bordedup546]

​@@LonelyRedStrawberry the government didn't pay to build those empty units. the government didn't buy those units. the government doesn't own those units. it's very simple. what you are actually advocating for is more social housing so you need to check how many of those units exists or ask your local government to buy empty ones they don't own

[@fourmoyle]

1,000% this.

[@curmudgeon1933]

@@bordedup546 . So it is up to the government to demonstrate they are supportive of the WHOLE population...and not just the few wealthy elite who fund their election campaigns. By regulating against those who buy up huge amounts of real estate, and either price-gouge rents, or withhold them from the market to artificially inflate property prices. Properly taxing those who game the system by speculating on the housing shortage, would go some way to redress the wealth extraction being committed by these parasitic corporate landlords.

[@mikeyserrano9748]

30:00 as an engineer in defense, yeahh that contract money ain't going to us lol

[@BrianLovesYou]

How much do you make?

[@lvl5charmander]

@@BrianLovesYouless than hasan

[@hecatrice2064]

@@lvl5charmanderless than Graham and Jack too. It’s important to not compare urself to the top 1% of the 1% of content creators. I’m sure an engineer isn’t hungry either tho.

[@lvl5charmander]

@@hecatrice2064 but definitely still bad rich 😡

[@greenburg2276]

@@lvl5charmandermeritocracy isn’t real

[@onetomeplz5825]

Tbh man if ur sitting here say that free stuff from the government is bad ur gona be poor sorry it’s strictly a poor person mentality to not take free stuff if you think rich people don’t take free stuff you need medical help

[@z3romx]

the wealthy are the number 1 recipient of government handouts and its not even close

[@fudgingteddy9481]

@@inerttiia Elons wealth exists almost solely due to government handouts.

[@RealAlyssaBustamante]

@@inerttiia Elon's taken the MOST free stuff from the government, he virtue signals against it for every ELSE so he doesn't have to give back ;) how the rich get richer

[@Ybot76]

@@inerttiia And he takes stuff from the government all the time

[@MitraKesava]

@@inerttiiaread the OP’s comment again. I don’t think you understood it.

[@Thomish21]

I was paid during my engineering school, I was doing 50/50 between classes and internship. This way I was learning the « real job » and getting paid above minimum wage on top of having an education. It’s a win/win for you and the company that gets an engineer for half the price.

[@dollarindimes]

you got paid, it wasn’t an internship lmao. imagine if you did school, and a job, but didn’t get paid for the job and struggled for food. or better yet, did get paid but it was minimum wage, and still struggle for food

[@dollarindimes]

that would’ve been an internship, not getting paid for doing a job.

[@Thomish21]

@@dollarindimes I might have phrased that badly. The job I was doing was part of the curriculum and the diploma, I was being paid to go to school for 2 weeks and to the company for 2 weeks. Idk how you say it in English but in French we call that internship.

[@tgporter07]

I’m doing a similar engineering program, where I alternate between a semester (4 months) of school, and a semester of working in some internship. The internships are always paid, and at real companies, and like op said it is very beneficial for getting “real” work experience. @gumdropdaddy4203 I’m not really sure what you mean by op not doing a “real” internship… afaik the basis of an internship being an internship is that it is short term temporary employment (paid or not), NOT how your financial circumstances are during the employment. Maybe you were making a point about how the reality of internships are for most students, especially unpaid? In which case i think that’s totally valid

[@dollarindimes]

@@Thomish21 that’s cool but ya got paid man, immediately makes it not an internship by definition. unless there just are paid internships in france but id see that more like a contract

[@rickyish]

That little bit when they were discussing multi-cultural learning and Graham shared how he was uplifted by being exposed to smarter people was great. Perfect explanation of why diversity is good and should be cultivated in places where it's absent.

[@shinobistream1256]

But black and white people aren't different so why should that diversity be considered

[@johnbaker8425]

@@shinobistream1256because they have different experiences and perspectives socially and culturally that can benefit both sides

[@shinobistream1256]

@johnbaker8425 how does different social and cultural experience help with ap English. I feel if you focus on academic or qualifications then you will have diversity of race and sex. I don't think you should be allowed to ask race, sex, or orientation.

[@rickyish]

@@shinobistream1256 I don't know why you brought up black people. The diversity I was talking about was dumb student Graham being exposed to smarter kids in an AP class. But since you brought it up race and sex I guess that's probably good too. The "I don't see color" philosophy is just a BS way of saying I don't WANT to see color.

[@johnbaker8425]

@@shinobistream1256 I dont think you can know someone's qualification without understanding what a person has overcame. Someone's experiences with those things (race, sex, etc.) could impact their qualifications. I don't understand how having a clearer understanding of who a person is could be negative when assessing them for a position. As for AP English, how someone's dialect they grew up with differs from others, how certain grammar rules are taught in different parts of the country, or even how someone who speaks a different language's native language compares, contrasts, or even grew out of or from eachother are examples of how having a diverse class can give meaningful perspective that can enhance an English class.

[@TonyMezaXD]

This is gonna be hard for people in the Hustle Culture community to understand that being poor is not always about how hard you Hustle sometimes there are external factors that keep people poor.

[@AF2277S]

yes that's true however if you're trying to argue that people shouldn't try to get out of poverty which most people watching socialist content on the internet aren't actually poor they just think they are then you're a part of that exact issue.

[@ianperez5350]

@@AF2277S I don’t think anyone is ever saying that you shouldn’t work and try to get out of poverty, and if they are mentally ill.

[@ianperez5350]

@@AF2277S I think you misunderstand the socialist base

[@scythermantis]

Read r/overemployed

[@TonyMezaXD]

@@AF2277S I am not arguing that and neither is Hasan. Look up internal and external factors. Binary thinking is what leads people to believe it’s either or. Hustle culture is all about internal factors and never acknowledges the external factors.

[@8877dksljfa]

Ive literally never met a person who doesnt want to own a home. Theres some value in renting in the short term but I dont know anyone who wants to rent the rest of their lives. Im tired of being told I want to rent for the rest of my life.

[@LonelyRedStrawberry]

I remember going to the USA and people being so scared of the word 'socialism', meanwhile one of the most successful political party in my country has the word 'socialist' in it. It's crazy how far propaganda will affect your world view

[@MitraKesava]

Americans want to kill homeless people and be the masters of their own destiny. They see socialism as a road to infringement on their freedoms because they can’t fathom having upward mobility being provided by the government. The U.S. is a very sick place.

[@martyna.888]

it’s infuriating:) couldn’t agree more

[@Gerald-of-Riviera]

I hope this isn't in defense of Hasan lol

[@Slashx92]

​@@Gerald-of-Rivierahasan is THE socialism, any defense to socialism is a defense to hasan! /s so fixated on him

[@JohnD45]

I think what's important to realize about Americans is that the average American thinks stuff like propaganda is dead. They put it in the same category as racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, etc. To the educated person, these all still exist and play prevalent roles in influencing our society, but to the average American these are things that happened before the '60s. No more propaganda (which is usually only restricted to enemy propaganda and our war-time propaganda is "good") after WWII, along with antisemitism - we apparently solved that. No more racism after the civil rights act in the '60s - solved. And we closed the gender pay gap "decades" ago, so again, solved. Everything is apparently solved and equal and we're better than we've ever been. The same Americans who tell you that will, in the same breadth, drone on about how harmful affirmative action is, how destructive BLM is, say that women shouldn't dress the way they do if they don't want attention, etc... They don't realize that that's literally propaganda and conditioning. It's a sad reality. Sucks to get mad at them cus they're just dumb. A lot of them don't mean to be harmful but just are and don't realize they're doing something wrong. They're convinced they're right because American propaganda has fed them those ideas for decades.

[@Flashifyable]

Saying that the tax on homes over 5 million “dried up the market” really confused me. Even in Cali a 5 million dollar home is not the average (think the average is around 800K in Cali). I’d love to hear them expand on what “dried up the market” means. The market for 5 mil+ homes?

[@Flashifyable]

Also Graham saying “you not investing doesn’t make sense to me” and saying that Hasan doesn’t invest in the country as he’s describing how he makes less profitable merch so that he pays a fair wage as if that’s not an investment in the country that gave him what he has. It’s interesting to see the way other people think

[@swickens930]

​@@Flashifyable No, the reason it doesn't make any sense is because having a large sum of money in the bank IS investing because banks invest that money. Banks love that Hasan has his money in them because they invest it. And he has a 401k. Not sure if you know how a 401k works but the only reason why companies match your 401k is because all the money you have in the 401k is directly invested into the stock market. So having a 401k is literally the same as investing in the stock market, which Hasan just said he was against. That's why it makes no sense.

[@bordedup546]

​@@Flashifyable that's a very small investment. he probably has much more lying around in cash than he pays as a surplus for some shitty merch sales. even those unionized workers would benefit because the companies that hasan could invest in would generate more wealth (for itself, it's shareholders, it's employees) which is taxed and more accessible consumption for the poorest in society. he would do so much more for the country by investing and increasing the size of the pie rather than only increasing a tiny slice of the pie for unionized labor

[@Flashifyable]

@@swickens930 that’s like saying I’m an investor because I have a couple grand in a savings account. I need somewhere to store my money that it’s available and accessible and secure. The place that I store it just so happens to invest the money I have in savings. That does not make me an investor and it doesn’t mean I’m investing my money. Having a 401K is the same, I’m putting money in the market so that I have a chance at retiring and keeping with inflation. Would I prefer not to have to do that and have better alternatives so that I could be more consistent in my values? Of course, but there really aren’t any that wouldn’t feed the system in other ways like generating more profits from my business to stuff into savings, or dumber ways like burying bags of cash in my backyard. The issues you point out are systemic, there’s no way that you can live a normal life without engaging in that system and if that’s what you expect of people to consider them value-consistent, I don’t know that you’re approaching in good faith. That just seems like you’re looking for a “gotcha”. And Hasan is a fucking idiot so there are much better ways to gotcha.

[@Flashifyable]

@@bordedup546 this is the logic that has led to line-go-up economics and it just isn’t reflected in reality. Increasing the size of the pie for the last 30 years has put more pie in the hands of the wealthy and less in the hands of the working, that’s just demonstrably true. Productivity has skyrocketed while wages have stagnated and the cost of all goods and services have gone up, and coincidentally profits are at record highs. Most people my age can’t afford a home (I’m lucky enough that I can) and have to work harder for a worse standard of living than our parents did. I don’t think you’d argue that any working person is better off than they were 30 years ago in anything besides access to cheap Chinese consumer goods they can buy on credit and have delivered next day. But there are certainly more billionaires. As for the value-consistency on investing. There are 70 million 401K accounts and about 30 million of those are considered inactive or abandoned. The best benefit of investing that money as you would say being helping grow people’s retirement savings would affect about 10% of the population at the max, and would skew towards people who are already financially well off enough to plan for and contribute to their future financial well-being. Sure, the number of people that he’s affecting would be theoretically larger (although we could talk more about how much the maybe 1mil he’d put in the market would truly help after being spread into the market since that would be a drop in the bucket), but it would not be as value-consistent as using unionized American labor and showing that you can still make a profit using this labor. I don’t think Hasan is looking at a spreadsheet and trying to figure out how to maximize his investments. That’s how capitalists think. He’s just a dumb streamer who is surprisingly consistent in his values for someone as stupid as he is. And I respect that.

[@TheSunWillSetOnThisEmpire]

Workers unite

[@Flamewarden_Honoushugoshin]

The craziest thing is like 90% of the stuff Hasan talks about would be pretty agreeable to the average poor conservative as long as you don't use the buzzwords they associate with those policies.

[@Flamewarden_Honoushugoshin]

@@mxovd2401 My friend, I am pretty well versed in the theory. I fully recognize the policies he advocates for are not remotely socialism, as does he. However, they are still very much the "radical left" position in the the USA. There is no clear path to socialism in backwards conservative countries like the USA (where he lives and the majority of the audience for an English speaking political internet "influencer" is) in the near future, you fight the battles where the line is. You have done nothing but pointed to the obvious, preached to the choir, etc.

[@Talsbynians]

McCarthyism is one hell of a drug

[@rotraven]

conservatives are addicted to straight up thieves like the eye patch guy and mitch McConnell. The had a chance to elect a true believer like Ron Paul and they ran to Romney and Mccain. I'm sure even the right language, message, campaign and candidate conservatives will continue voting for the con.

[@fourmoyle]

He says this all the time. About 70% of the US population agrees with his overall policy takes, as he says and we can look the polls up, if you DON'T mention socialism or the left or any of that. The damage red scare propaganda has done to this country is WILD.

[@vitigaymer1053]

The most progressive cities in the US are unlivable if youre working class or even lower middle class. Thats why "poor" Republicans in red states dont want the same policies in their cities. The net overall migration is from places like NY/Cali to Arizona/Florida/Texas etc.

[@sonofcormac6952]

I've never seen a comment section more full of people who just absolutely did not watch the video.

[@toneloke454]

imagine thinking that people that don't fall for Hassan grift do it just because they DONT watch him lol

[@Alice-cp9sy]

@@toneloke454so many of the negative comments were before the video would have even had time to finish 😂 … it’s quite pathetic how close some people watch out for Hasan just so they can dunk on him

[@toneloke454]

@@Alice-cp9sy lol well actually I agree with that. Most of the time, a person only needs to watch about 3 min of any video hassan is in to find a substantial and solid reason to dunk on his privileged ass. Thanks for making my point that much stronger

[@Alice-cp9sy]

@@toneloke454 wow it is actually so pathetic to admit how little research you do before forming an opinion. 😂 Have you heard of a streamer called Destiny? I think you may enjoy his content as you have that in common.

[@ronswanson1410]

I watched this video. Doesn’t change how I feel

[@ChrisJones-nb2wz]

I live in bumfuck South Carolina and Starbucks is indeed still 13 dollars for coffee

[@luuiv9518]

youre being hypoerbolic but its certainly in the 4 to 10 dollar range no matter where you go depending on the size

[@hauz287]

​@luuiv9518 because a cup of coffee should cost that much if a mermaids on the cup.

[@chrisgarcia901]

They said 13$ for 2 cups. I mean thats normal starbucks prices bruh. 6.50$ a piece? I also live in SC, thats how much a coffee is, in any city here.

[@camtwan1]

They couldn't charge that if people didn't pay. Where do you deserve to pay less for Starbucks specific coffee. It's < .50c a cup if make it at home.

[@luuiv9518]

@@hauz287 where in that did you read me defending the cost of hot water ran over ground coffee beans

[@jimmyhart3191]

Graham is the definition of good faith, you guys are open minded and kind people. Editing was great and Hasan was in his bag with his explanations and arguments since you guys actually allow him to speak. 10/10 podcast

[@DinantZ]

They didn't challenge him on any of the points, what are you on about. They aren't confrontational in the first place on the podcast.

[@spritelass6712]

@@DinantZ why does everything have to be contentious? This is how mature adults talk to each other.

[@DinantZ]

@@spritelass6712 so you agree this was a talk show?

[@HH-le1vi]

​@@DinantZthey're having a discussion not a debate.

[@lunadyana3330]

Also, you could solve a lot of crime issues by remediating lead exposure in housing and water resources. Crime levels dropped significantly in generations born after lead was removed from gasoline, but many poor people are still subject to contaminated housing stock and water infrastructure

[@Kat_eyyyyy]

“But can you appreciate that fact that he’s [Ben Shapiro] good faith?” is a crazy thing to ask lmao. Imma have to start using that one. ☝️

[@Classicalliberal85]

No, he is good faith

[@killzone866]

@@Classicalliberal85 not at all. he twists himself to defend his "side".

[@TheRamone89]

​@@Classicalliberal85 Lol that's kinda true, he isnt ever putting on a show, he really believes all the dumb insane shit he says. He is just a debate pervert who like to trap the illinformed in logical fallacies and not knowing the stats on the spot

[@WhollyAppropriate]

​@@Classicalliberal85lol this is a self report my friend

[@kimura317]

@@Classicalliberal85 sweet summer child

[@supilikecats_]

lovely conversation, learned a lot. love these types of collaborations

[@Wealthforthe99Percent]

Complaining about the cost of Starbucks in LA compared to less expensive areas of the country, while having made your money investing in that Real Estate market in LA is pretty wild lol. I grew up in the rural south, worked in LA for awhile, and live in the rural midwest now, people who complain about the ways companies increase and protect profits in cities, while they would never consider living outside of those big cities always makes me roll my eyes. If you want to live in a place where things cost less, there is less traffic, crime, etc people like Graham (works online and makes plenty to buy anywhere) can easily do that, but choose not to because they like the additional amenities which is fine, but complaining about things costing more in a place with double the median income is just silly. All of the things Graham and Jack brought up to complain about attributing around 49 min in are direct results of unchecked market dynamics pricing people out and making the average person's life worse. Real Estate speculation is one of the biggest drivers ironically. Lastly, as for Blue States Failing, by what metric? Democrats and Republicans both suck, but by basically any statistical measure the only areas where Red States score better overall is the tax burden on the richest cohorts. In fact if you wanted a measure that captures how a state is run relative to others you can look up states ranked by dependency on the Federal Gov't i.e. Net Tax Payers vs receivers and Red States have for at least the last decade required federal funding far more, which is a result of bad fiscal policy at the state level. I discussed this a few years ago cause of hearing people repeat it, but if you are gonna talk about a subject this is the bear minimum level of research required. Like Hasan said, it would be great for yall to have Sam Seder from The Majority Report on the Podcast to discuss tax policy, because you won't find someone more in the know on that topic.

[@JSRMedia]

This kind of discourse renews my hope for the future of American politics. Hoping when our generation is older we'll have a more chill political climate.

[@bigdick1267]

Have you been ever listened to a Hasan stream? Apparently not, because if you have, you would of never made your comment.

[@DnielR]

Where was the discourse? Most of the time the hosts just let hasan ramble and silently disagreed with him

[@thecooljohn100]

@@DnielR Exactly. The hosts have no idea what socialism is or Hasan's TRUE stances. Here's come context for you buddy kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6XPZ6GIqs2DqJIsi=b4heZVm-DFlQA3vC

[@JSRMedia]

@@DnielR tbf they slightly audibly disagreed Edit: alr i gotchu 48:30

[@ryansampson5636]

idk if you have ever watched Hasan but he is far from chill.

[@ghostbravo7127]

I am not a regular watcher, but I've seen a quite a few episodes from time to time if I am shown them by others or recommended them. I saw your last episode with Hasan, and it was easily the most interesting discussion I'd seen yet, and so I had to return when I heard there was a second episode, and I am not disappointed.

[@sgcandrewkard]

1:15:51 is proof why you should have affirmative action in college. AA few minutes before that you say something along the lines of, "should we have someone in college just because of the color of their skin?" and then you are amazed by the most basic definition of historical racism. Like, literally any black person ever,, could have told you about this. The fact this late into your life, and this many years after running a podcast that this I the first time you are being introduced to this concept is insane. "I don't know how much data or media there is on the affects of slavery." Fucking insane thing to say.

[@Pineconetrouble]

It was insane to me to hear them say “huh, I never thought about it that way” lol. How old are these dudes? Not having a crack at them but I’m from Australia and it sounds like I knew more about that stuff than they did

[@ratiwatwatthanaphuti5158]

Yeah its what happens when they are stuck in echo chamber. Alot of time is not out of bad intention but just ignorance

[@teeqx7361]

@@ratiwatwatthanaphuti5158they are stuck in an echo chamber? U mean hasan right?

[@SeisoYabai]

​@@teeqx7361Bro Hasan is literally in a room having a conversation with the people he disagrees with face to face. What echo chamber????????

[@teeqx7361]

@@SeisoYabai there was ZERO pushback. These guys were being so tame it’s unbelievable. Have someone who can actually talk about these things check hasan. Like hasan was talking about re educating capitalists under socialist regime

[@chrisk_04]

Their editor is goated af 😭😭

[@rundmv6534]

Hasan is going places. As a norwegian i can confirm his politics, but if americans insist on not using its own government and progress some day becomes impossible he could always do comedy, probably writing too. Sweet guy

[@tomatocanibal6847]

Oh wow a Norwegian can confirm his politics! Thank god your showed up, we all thought it was a grift until you qualified yourself as a Norwegian!

[@michaelmonaghan1124]

@@tomatocanibal6847 Especially since Norway’s economy is predominantly bolstered by oil money.

[@degummybear]

@@michaelmonaghan1124 And what do they do with that money?

[@michaelmonaghan1124]

@@degummybear I assume you’re referring to the government. They spend that money on infrastructure, public education, health care, welfare, etc. Basically, they do what any good capitalist country does.

[@kyleleehufnagel]

@@michaelmonaghan1124so America is a bad capitalist country?

[@qtowncrazy4771]

At 1:10:00 Graham brings up the monster study and he doesn't necessarily represent the results of the study and how they conducted it to the fullest extent. The Monster Study had a bunch of kids with and without stutters. 2 classrooms were created and all of the kids were split so each class would be half stutterers and half non stutterers, in one class the kids were encouraged, assisted, and treated nicely by the teacher. The kids with stutters eventually stopped stuttering due to the efforts of the educators kind actions. In the second classroom, kids were reprimanded for their stutters and discouraged. Kids who initially had no stutter eventually developed stutters due to the trauma they experienced in the classroom.

[@rufusyo]

really liked the editing!!

[@lvernon9471]

Wow Graham and Jack saying Ben Shapiro has good intentions is CRAZY. His intentions are to hurt anyone he is against. That’s not good faith at all.

[@LordPerrin]

And reasons like that are why no one should take these guys seriously

[@saulgoodman2018]

You can say the same about all the lefty's that was on this show too.

[@hypa9z]

Don't forget about Hasan

[@r9xh]

Imagine actually believing that Ben Sharpiro's #1 goal is to hurt people he's against. You may gain some insight if you actually listened to the stupid shit he says.

[@lvernon9471]

@@r9xh his goal is to restrict rights for those he disagrees with and sway the culture wars towards conservatism which hurts people. Religious theocracy and right wing politics are BAD, and have always been on the wrong side of history. Racism, sexism, homophobia, now transphobia, etc. Ben Shapiro is a horrible person that hurts the world. He provides no value other than to hurt others.

[@JqMarsh]

Great episode! Didn’t expect this collab!

[@Rushil69420]

The fact that these guys literally cannot understand that participating in the stock market is being a capitalist in the most literal sense of the word- and he’s spelling out how his entire deal is talking about why he thinks the capitalist model of production is unethical and unsustainable- is hilarious. Like it seems genuinely unfathomable to them.

[@darkfeign]

It's unfathomable when Hasan makes millions via his contract with Amazon/Twitch, and owns a clothing/merch brand that he makes profits from, but it's ok because the workers there are unionised. Yikes.

[@Icynova]

@@darkfeignare you ok? Why are you hate watching and hate commenting all over? Go watch something that makes you happy.

[@MrHarbltron]

@@darkfeign Right? How dare he pay unionized workers to manufacture goods in the U.S. and engage in labor agreements with them... what a dirty anti-American he is...

[@nunpho]

​@@Icynova is the hate in the room with us right now?

[@Icynova]

@@nunpho not in my room. I enjoy Hasan’s content. I hope you’re doing ok

[@notjfkjr]

Really interesting! Thanks for taking the time to do this!

[@AFoxNamedSly]

I can't tell if people dislike the video or dislike Hasan.

[@nullakjg767]

everyone hates hasan and doesnt think he should be platformed lol.

[@RosscoAW]

They dislike themselves, Hasan is just the thing they project onto.

[@AmericanIlluminati]

Hasan is a very dislikable person

[@nashvontookus7451]

​@@nullakjg767 No, just destiny chuds

[@ronswanson1410]

@@nashvontookus7451 Hasan paved his way on his own! He is untouchable. A golden god. These weebs just don't know

[@Icynova]

The tier list at the end was golden! 😂

[@dieauferstehung]

nick fuentes should be higher up

[@jupupable4101]

@@dieauferstehung Why? The guy is a little gremlin and a proud nazi.

[@juliant878]

​@@dieauferstehung and where would you place the nazi on your tier list?

[@bkucenski]

If the government provided housing, people wouldn't need to pull shenanigans to avoid dying on the street. There are 338,000 churches in the country. They could just open up their parking lots to a few homeless people each and we'd be done with this silliness.

[@zaydeshaddox7015]

You understand far less about the situation than you think you do.

[@bkucenski]

@@zaydeshaddox7015 good point. Let's talk about that tomorrow

[@zaydeshaddox7015]

@@bkucenski I have a better idea for you: go do some volunteer work at a homeless shelter. You will learn much.

[@aSSGoblin1488]

maybe ppl who cant afford housing and healthcare are not deserving of it

[@adamlee2550]

Are you a christian? I dont want homeless people hanging around in the parking lot of my parish church, anyone is welcome to peacefully pray inside though.

[@okaythisiserik]

I would look into how income tax is actually calculated. If we say have a tax rate of 50% of 100k you do not lose 50k to taxes, it is a progressive tax.

[@Klust413]

This one of the things that drives me nutty that people don't get, but then you hear these same people advocate for a flat tax as if they had any idea what it really means. Graham's thought process when asked how he'd react is exactly why the top tax bracket should be dramatically higher. His reaction to put that money back into the business instead means the business grows, or his employees get paid better. The top bracket should be something nuts sounding to conservatives like 90%

[@davidgriffin8480]

Jack made Hasan’s point when it came to race. Jack says, “just 3 white guys talking shop”.. he immediately includes Hasan in the group of “white” even after knowing he’s from Turkey and his name is damn Hasan. This is part of the point Hasan is making where other minorities groups who have light skin and can pass as “white” are quickly assimilated by the white majority while that is just not the case for black people or other darker skinned minorities. So you can’t say skin color has no relation to the way we people are grouped over time

[@NotReallyDakota]

Hasan refers to himself as white when it suits his interests

[@test-zg4hv]

you are really stretching here based on a single anecdotal example (which is already an assumption on their thinking) to prove Hassan's made up bullshit point he pulled out of his ass

[@metalspy]

Turkey literally has blonde people with Blue eyes. They are the same as spanish people or italian. Calling spanish people or italians PoC is Just cringe. Same with turkish people

[@zaregg.]

@@metalspyIn Europe turkish people do not fall under the “white” umbrella

[@paradoxtheruler7596]

Hasan is white? Like have you seen him?

[@DaveTadros]

This video was awesome. What a great convo.

[@jamnana2235]

It's really interesting for this pod to invite someone who's so ideologically against a lot of what you guys talk about. Good faith conversations and attempts at mutual understanding, even if you disagree is always a good thing!

[@Versace_sheets]

So good faith they started the conversation off with "are poor people morally inferior"

[@williamknopp6936]

@@Versace_sheets dude cmon they were fine, chill out

[@lordmiraak8991]

Honestly i was really surprised, they did absolutely great.

[@uhwaykin]

@@Versace_sheets I think if that was an idea these guys seriously held they would have steelman’d their presentation of it as opposed to setting it up as a foil to someone like Hasan. Be charitable, man. These guys not only invited him to speak to their audience but they’ve established their willingness to deal in good faith.

[@liamwxyz3114]

Ideologically opposed but practically the exact same.

[@grapeape4589]

The amount of comments here that can be translated to “I didn’t watch the video yet” or “I covered my ears the whole time and went ‘LALALALA’” is astounding

[@RosscoAW]

Genuinely disappointing compared to the first time Hasan was on with Graham, when the comments indicated normal viewers watching in good faith and being pleasantly surprised by how pleasant the discussion was. These comments are clearly not originating from the same demographic of viewers as the first time he was on with Graham; these commenters are clearly just brigading, which is hilarious, because I'm sure it has *nothing at all* to do with the current genocide in Gaza and the massive heel turn toward islamophobia that so many otherwise centrist/libbed-up normies have made since Oct 7th, lmao /s

[@emmureist]

@@RosscoAWit’s legit because destiny watched this on stream and started crying about how much he hates hasan so like always his fans go and attack anyone destiny dislikes

[@Madderthanjoker]

The haters have gone even more insane since the last time he's been on.

[@emmureist]

@@Madderthanjoker at least back then people were charitable this time it’s just psycho hatewatchers (who didnt watch the video) and commented within the first 5 minutes of this being posted

[@spritelass6712]

@@emmureist That explains so much I thought at first they were non English speakers. But now I know they are children.

[@x.mikro.]

The destiny meatriders are really working overtime in these comments 🤣

[@chrisnoctskie5869]

Watching Hasan is like watching Andrew Tate. The amount of Dunning-Kruger effect really hits.

[@davidsweeney3360]

@@chrisnoctskie5869 have fun with watching destiny look at Wikipedia while complaining about Hasan I guess.

[@enetie88]

@@chrisnoctskie5869 oh no found a D rider who had their youtuber Mr. Bologna directly laughed at for not knowing what they are talking about by an actual subject matter expert.

[@Devin_OK]

@@chrisnoctskie5869 didn't Destiny think Egypt shared a boarder with Russia? then 4 months later debate about the Israeli apartheid with actual scholars and get his cheeks clapped so hard he buried his face in his iPad like a toddler, furiously looking for talking points? Let me look up the Wikipedia of Dunning-Kruger....

[@michaelmonaghan1124]

@@Devin_OK If that had happened, it would have spread across the internet like wildfire.

[@8877dksljfa]

I really appreciate Hasan mentioning black maternal mortality in America its something I worry about a lot since I want to have children.

[@DanRustle]

im a comone sense guy and considered "right wing" by the hasan's people but some of the things he says is kinda based. i love how he never apologise for anything. i have respect for that. cool guy even though i dont agree with socialist. he has the right to say whatever he wants.

[@DylanTheDuck18]

You are one of the only sane people in this comment section disagreeing with him and I just want you to know you’re pretty great just for this. Idk about anything else, but this makes you magnificent.

[@twentyfirstcenturygothic]

it’s honorable to have respect for someone you disagree with, hope you check out some more of his stuff!

[@z3romx]

jesus christ, one of the few normal "right wingers" ive seen on the internet entirely. buddy, you got a good head on your shoulders. i hope one day you look past labels like "socialist" and really listen to some ideas. you dont have to commit to anything, just hear someone out and youll find a lot of things youd probably agree with and would absolutely benefit you overall.

[@curmudgeon1933]

The way you say "i don't agree with socialist", indicates that you probably don't have much of an idea what the word means. Do you think that people who are born into extreme wealth, deserve it, and those who are born into extreme poverty, likewise, deserve it?

[@z3romx]

@@curmudgeon1933 there is no need to be this aggro on this guy man

[@Maclennon]

This interview really changed my mind about Hasan, I think I understand his perspectives much better now and I'm going to do more research on what he's talking about.

[@greenburg2276]

infiltration

[@MitraKesava]

We got one! Funny how when you hear his views in his own words and not out of context clips from Twitter haters and youtube reactionaries he actually makes sense.

[@KarazolaX]

He thinks that China is a more free, less evil country then America lol. And he thinks they were justified in how they treated Hong Kong, and in annexing tibet.

[@Billy-rz1jg]

@@KarazolaX Yeah the way police beat people in HK was awful, I wonder if there's any other countries that look like that during protest. Hmm

[@ndeef]

@@KarazolaXyou haven’t listened to Hasan in long form. Literally making good on the claim of the poster above. You only believe the clipped twitter vids. Do some critical thinking here

[@lucasalley9008]

> had no connections > worked for uncle at the largest political yt network lmaooooooooo

[@dangerousd1312]

largest political yt network??? his uncle isn’t ben shapiro

[@TaikaApina]

??? He literally said he had to take the job at his uncles place due to the lack of connections otherwise. Did you not listen to what he said? Like he admits that this connection gave him a job. He meant that he had trouble finding jobs on the open market outside his family connections after college. Working at TYT helped him build those connections. Like it was a major boost on his career and he always admits that.

[@psychoboyjack285]

@@TaikaApina And what the fk do you think normal people do? Create a network when they are 5? do you think the run of the mill unemployed person already has established connections? ffs, you people are so gullible...

[@lucasalley9008]

​@@TaikaApina who said he had to take a job working for his uncle at the largest political yt network at the time lmao poor guy .... sounds like a nepo baby

[@WeAreOutOfWeed13]

You have to realize near 50% of the audience watching doesn't know, and more importantly doesn't care to know, so the lie sells

[@DaHobbles]

Loved this convo :) there was a great dynamic between everyone that made the conversation engaging to listen to

[@DaHobbles]

Also! Shout out to the editor that took the time to fact check the numbers

[@Deathstar0wannabe]

This was a great watch!

[@dictater_tots]

I don't really understand their argument about if everyone was acting "in good faith".... Like if a racist is acting "in good faith" because they truly believe black people are sub-human and should have less rights... what then? Gotta congratulate them for at least being honest and having the "good intentions" of not giving human rights to subhuman beings? It's not like the only difference between political ideologies is fiscal policy, it's human rights, women's bodily autonomy, etc.

[@whiteboyrick6107]

ikr this is ultimately where centrists just fall completely flat on their face. they try too hard to do some sorta moral grandstanding like they're better then everyone else for not having a grip on right vs wrong and they just come off completely out of touch

[@John-ky9so]

“Dont ever reward being honest because u can be bad and honest” 🤓

[@tjsokkerplayer]

Their argument was simple. Its about having respect for someone who disagrees with you but arrived at their beliefs in a honest way. It's very difficult to believe that any racist is acting in good faith. By default of being labeled a racist, it has a negatuve connotation that they act in a hateful manner, i.e believing someone is "subhuman" for being a different. Yet, its very possible that someone who has different politics and believes are smart and arrived at that belief in a honest way.

[@lunaflora7542]

People in the comments going on and on about hasan hating on him as a person, but have nothing to say about anything he said. A bunch of hate watchers that have hasan living in their thoughts rent-free.

[@darkfeign]

Hasan can't even give a reasonable definition for socialism because it's inconsistent with how he lives his life. He says nothing of value lmao

[@moodycxnt]

he's a SOCIALIST who OWNS A HOUSE and MAKES MONEY and i just WON THE ARGUMENT

[@log_wood]

they dont debate the topics because they dont care about them and know they have no leg to stand on. its all about the aesthetics and blood sport.

[@hannibalb8276]

its the destiny cultist way

[@mcbltgaming3694]

​@@moodycxnthasan is a capitalist. His editor doesn't own the means of production and his merch shop workers don't own the means of production. Yall fell for the grift

[@mtljin]

if we must pay taxes. the government must take care of us. that is the promise of government.

[@SeisoYabai]

Bro I lost it when he asked why Hasan didnt invest, Ithought he was gonna say something like its dumb to not set aside a nest egg and get passive income or whatever. Instead he comes out with "why arent you supporting the country that made you rich" as if ANYONE invests for that reason 😂

[@megamandrn001]

It's by far and away the dumbest thing i've heard in a long, long time.

[@RODRIGO6803]

And also bc of his position against taxes that are exactly for that, and how he admitted paying less taxes than Hasan.

[@bookerdewitt6346]

Bruh he could literally invest that into any small or POC business and help someone instead of hoarding his wealth. That was his point

[@SeisoYabai]

@@bookerdewitt6346 Not at all what they were talking about, and you know that. And he contributes his money to causes constantly, as they literally discussed MOMENTS before the investment nonsense, yet still somehow, it'll never be good enough.

[@megamandrn001]

@@bookerdewitt6346 A) Lol no it wasn't, B) He's one of the top donators in the nation to union strike funds, which is better than investing.

[@home.bleakhaven]

I love how not one person calling hasan a fake socialist can explain who's labor he is exploiting... it's always "but the car/house!" people are literally becoming the "socialism is when no house" meme and thinking it's some kind of intellectual own. insofar as hasan is using his 2.75 million dollar house and quarter million dollar car for pleasure, and not as assets used to generate more wealth, it is not mutually exclusive with socialism. being a rich person who is not directly exploiting others, not directly exploiting markets, has wealth, and still manages to boldly espouse principles that are socialist, is QUITE LITERALLY BEING A GREAT SOCIALIST. how are people so stupid?????

[@home.bleakhaven]

people are just angry that he managed to beat the system that fucks them everyday (while transparently/openly crediting privilege and luck) while still maintaining his moral and ethical compass, if not bettering it over time. he's a rich socialist, who succeeded in the face of capitalism, whereas the haters are mediocre capitalists who can't even understand why the system they go so hard for is failing them miserably LMAOOO

[@humbleturtle3550]

He exploits his dumb ass fans who thinks socialism is when you have higher taxes and trade unions. Socialism at its core is when workers have ownership of the means of production: tell me, do the 200 employee at Warren James that make his merch get a piece of that hasan pie? I'd bet no, all hasan does is redistribute his wealth to gucci.

[@ethan2529]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@humbleturtle3550if you think fans of hasan don’t know what socialism is you are stupid. Socialism is not just one thing as you try to paint it, socialism is a political philosophy which espouses many values. Believe it or not, both higher taxes and workers unions are fundamental principles of socialism. Stop pretending like you have any clue how hasan does his business, or that you even know what you are talking about in the first place.

[@michaelmonaghan1124]

A $250 thousand car is very wasteful. If we agree that there’s a limited amount of labour and resources in the world, we should also agree that Hasan contributes more to wasting labour and destroying resources, than the average person. Someone like Warren Buffet could probably be considered a better socialist, because he drives an old car and lives in a small house, and assuming he follows through on his promise, 99% of his assets will be donated to charity when he dies.

[@HollowdTV]

They're just haters. They disagree with him, and then make up reasons to dislike him. Not the other way around.

[@CheeseWithMold]

Love seeing these conversations. Thanks for the great episode!

[@GKQ333]

What many people who typically came from an easier background and perhaps had a few less set backs than others is that success is the end point of getting lucky. Success is like winning a lottery. Things that happened before you were born will determine how many lottery tickets you get at birth. Things that happen around you as a child that you have no control over will give or sometimes take away tickets. And yes, things you do will also gain or lose you tickets. But at the end you will need to have something hit, some just have more tickets than others.

[@WeinerDefender]

I think this insight is helpful in understanding in why different groups tend to have different outcomes. If you are born poor you are more likely to stay poor. However people like you could be one of those "breaks" where you highlight a path towards an individuals success by taking full agency of their life. This comment encourages complacency. People can improve their life circumstances

[@GKQ333]

@@WeinerDefender yes, complacency will earn you less tickets, think we are on the same page

[@HienLeGia]

Top of the Hour, Every hour, 3 minutes Ad-break. Get your money up, not your funny up folks 😂😂😂

[@leerichmond1459]

I refuse to listen to these greedy psychopaths. Their love for money makes me sick.

[@dangerousd1312]

@@leerichmond1459 relax man. they’re normal people and a product of their environment

[@mph5896]

@@leerichmond1459it’s a business with business expenses. Like commercial television with 40% of content is ads

[@WeAreOutOfWeed13]

@@dangerousd1312 yeah man, it's no fault of they're own, they don't hold any responsibility whatsoever for their actions or choices

[@MsSuperBMX]

His very existence is proof as to why socialism can never exist.

[@user-oh4od4kl9x]

Unpaid intern = privileged kids who gets to work for free

[@DBoone123]

are you saying you want to work for free?

[@nickschabacker5380]

​@@DBoone123he is saying if he has mommy and daddy's money to prop him up, getting an unpaid internship helps boost you in today's society. Shows the boss you are not in it for the money.

[@Valquill]

It also might just mean they could still live with his family? You are deliberately sucking out any context and approaching the situation with 0 charity.

[@DangLemons]

@@Valquill is being able to live with family who keep you afloat while you work for free in an internship not privilege?

[@abigdyl]

"How would squatting be different than just regular theft?" I don't know dude, what's the difference between stealing a Breaking Bad Blu-Ray Box Set and looking for shelter to sleep in at night?

[@swickens930]

Because if you steal my Breaking Bad Blue-Ray Box Set, I can legally get it back from you. If you're squatting in my house, the state protects the squatter, but now I have to still pay for that house. If my house costs 3,000$ a month to own, and I can't legally remove you from it for a few months, I'm losing thousands of dollars. I bet if I started sleeping in your bedroom you'd try to fight me. Like wtf are you talking about bud

[@abigdyl]

@@swickens930 I’m talking about people breaking the law to survive. No one squatting is doing it when the property is being occupied by the owner currently. It’s an abandon piece of property the majority of the time. Shut up.

[@swickens930]

@@abigdyl Bud, the owner still pays for the property. Let me sleep in your closet bro, be a good socialist good boy and let me squat in your bathroom anytime you're not using it. Let me sleep in your shower because you aren't always using your shower. Is that cool with you socialist wannabe good boy? Would you ever let me do that? Imagine thinking that unoccupied means "abandoned." Those two words aren't even similar. Is your bathroom abandoned because you aren't using it right now? Use your brain kid

[@leorainard2731]

Go squat in a target or a Holiday Inn leave working class people the fuck alone

[@KreatureCargeaux]

It’s so wild how many ppl are in these comments that didn’t even watch this pod & mass disliked the it & not even realizing that this doesn’t hurt hasan… it’s hurts the podcasters. It’s just incredible how many ppl dislike hasan yet have no actual reason to hate him besides “hasan wear gucci.. he grifter.” Or “hasan bought a house (that’s not even an above average house, he just lives in LA….) so hasan bad.. hasan hypocrite bc everyone knows all socialists existing in a capitalist society all need to be poor, only own 2 sets of clothes bought from goodwill & can’t ever make money in any way! They must donate everything & they must start their own system (hi trainwrecks) to fix the errors of capitalism all by themselves & if they don’t… they’re grifters.. bc if you’re a socialist you should be able to single handedly change everything wrong w/ capitalism w/out the help of the government! & while getting hate from ppl who claim to want the same things in life… bc infighting is EXACTLY how you solve shit!” The irony that ppl are mad at hasan for nothing but also share the same beliefs while also trying to destroy him… despite him having a large platform that he actually does a lot of good w/… is hilarious bc those are the same ppl calling him a hypocrite. This is why leftists will never succeed at anything.

[@darkfeign]

On the other hand.. socialism is when you pay taxes in California and don't invest your capitalist earnings. Or when you make profits (wage theft) from merchandise but it's ok because they're in a union. The criticism of this podcast is for the hosts not giving any pushback to Hasan's lack of knowledge of socialism. Not even providing any definition of socialism except "taxes" lmao.

[@darkfeign]

Also his large platform for hosting Houthi terrorists and glazing him with anime references. Very cool.

[@aok2075]

@@darkfeignHe doesn’t own the merch company. It’s not wage theft. He is a client and then he sells them. If I buy apples and then sell them for a profit, am I stealing the wages of the farm workers? Wouldn’t it be important to make sure I buy from a union farm. And overall he says he doesn’t go into specifics about socialism so as to not discredit one specific sect. The original comment isn’t even saying Hasan isn’t flawed but that most of the hate is irrational and not based on his actual positions

[@connorgreen5953]

@@darkfeigndawg what are you spewing do you hate this one man so much what pushback should he of gotten define socialism cause we think you are a socialist? He literally says he doesn’t fall into labels but you clearly didn’t watch the pod, why did you talk to a Houthi kid spreading pro Palestine sentiment idk what you wanted them to say

[@moodycxnt]

@@darkfeign what do you know? obviously all you know is what you think you know. some foolish definition adopted from some loser youtuber.

[@johnpezzella4891]

Check the algorithm. I was looking for this yesterday, but couldn’t find it. Great episode!

[@thedonald011]

The thing about America is the government keeps cutting programs but the OVERALL BUDGET (money taken from taxpayers) always goes up, We're basically a socialist country but one where the government takes the money but doesn't spend it on stuff WE WANT... Like people will complain about socialized healthcare or free college but have no problem wasting trillions in wars or "foreign aid"

[@curmudgeon1933]

Corporate lobbyists ensure that a vast majority of tax revenue goes to subsidize existing corporate hegemony, push policies which increase wealth transfer from the majority, to a tiny minority, and funding the bloated military budget. Tax breaks for the wealthy are far more important than rebuilding a crumbling infrastructure, decent education or healthcare.

[@josephposenecker9741]

Are you implying that large powerful governments are corrupt? That when the government takes all this money instead of doing what they say they were going to do with it that instead it gets funnel off to the people in power and their friends. Wow, that’s almost like every government ever. It’s almost like American fought a revolutionary war to start a country with an extremely limited Government to end this type of corruption. To stop allowing politicians from using police and military to steal from its people and enrich themselves and their friends. Well, it was nice while it lasted.

[@swickens930]

That's called National Socialism. Or Corporate Statism. That money only goes towards their buddies

[@bordedup546]

the defense budget is 3% of gdp. in european countries with universal healthcare it's usually 1.5-2%. That's not really a big deal. The problem is that per capita spending on healthcare in the us is 2x european countries. the problem is that the us spends too much on healthcare. it needs to switch to a universal form precisely to save money

[@zirkereuler5242]

@@bordedup546 1.5% to 3% is literally double the investment, it's a huge deal.

[@8877dksljfa]

Yall are so good at putting your ad breaks right before the answer to a juicy question lol.

[@Alex-nu4cb]

Good job Hasan.

[@beansdestroyer]

such a great job, he lied about basically all his beliefs. Socialism is when taxes!!! of course there is supercars in socialism!!!

[@flywingguy4175]

I am a labor organizer, I take offense to anyone who says Hasan isn’t labor advocate. Hasan, you are goat, so is anyone else who supports labor

[@mabybaysh]

Ben Shapiro acts in good faith only as far as believing the things he says he does, but definitely NOT when it comes to debates and how he characterizes his opponents

[@La_ji]

This was a very interesting episode, I only hope that the apparent "hate" (I assume before watching??) doesn't discourage too much.

[@darton_]

@22:00 that's the whole point of increasing the tax brackets!!! It incentives investment into business thereby growing the economy instead of your personal jetski collection.

[@thescoobymike]

Loving this conversation

[@casket_kicker]

what a title 😂

[@sackchaser0178]

anyone willing to platform and have a good faith discussion with someone like Hasan has my respect

[@Mich-jk2ze]

I don't. Only for the sake of Hasan is so dishonest. He constantly berates rich people than sits in a mansion of his own. How can you be sooooooo hypocritical when that's his main talking point, more socialistic policies on taxation and housing.

[@Eon-Blue]

Now bring on Sam Seder

[@beansdestroyer]

yeah bring on more leftoid bugmen who live on the internet. Makes for a great show

[@saskiafinnan4216]

@@beansdestroyer that is exactly hasan

[@Eon-Blue]

@@beansdestroyer Sam Seder deals with policy and facts, which I’m sure your rightoid bugbrain can’t handle. It’s okay to admit your brain is smooth.

[@r9xh]

And then right before starting to tape, swap Graham and Jack out for Ben Shapiro or someone like Nick Fuentes. Sam Seder has only shown time and time again to be a hyperpartisian extremist that has a long-proven track record of taking every single opportunity of genuine discussion and turning it into a degenerate clown show in a desperate unhinged attempt to "win". Nobody else comes close to the honesty that Sam shows in his grift.

[@Mich-jk2ze]

@@Eon-Blue Oh lord please, not Sam Seder. I hate that guy. Tried getting into him but he's just another Pakman. Everything they do is in bad faith, they don't want anyone to succeed besides themselves. A lot of people would be so much better off if they just turned the news off and stopped listening to pakman, seder, the red pill "alphas," and politicians they can't even vote for.

[@ratiwatwatthanaphuti5158]

2:00:00 "why don't you invest in the stock market? Invest in your country? Boost the economy?" section of the conversation is so funny to me. He questioned why give money to the bank, where they are going to loan out to bad cause, instead of invest it to the stock market? Graham, are you serious? What do you think they do with your money in the stock market? It's all gambling money for the wealthy. You put money in banks because that's better than hiding it under the bed. Also later asked "why don't you donate that money instead of sitting on it without accumulating?" Hasan proceeded to list out all the Funds and charity he donated his money and time to.

[@aaronpannell6401]

Investing in individual companies can be a kind of gambling, although it's nothing like casino gambling, but investing in index funds is certainly not gambling. They historically have been going up by 7 to 8% for 100 years now.

[@aaronpannell6401]

@ratiwatwatthanaphuti5158 investing is not gambling. There is no house advantage like there is in gambling. Gambling implies there is more than a 50% chance or more that money spent will be lost. If that was true, no rich person would invest in businesses, Warren Buffet wouldn't be where he is, and the S&P wouldn't grow by 7 to 8% decade after decade. Edit:And guess what banks do with your money they have? They loan it out with interest, which is a form of investment. So Hassan having his money in banks means he is allowing banks to invest his money for him. He just isn't getting any or much money back in return. He's still supporting a capitalist system.

[@ratiwatwatthanaphuti5158]

@@aaronpannell6401 you picking out successful people, cool. I don't care. Like I've said, these people who you "invest" money to are going to use it forever they want just like how banks hand out loans to whoever they want with your money. The difference here is one leans heavily on exploiting the working class for shareholders and seeking more profit that will not be disputed fairly towards their workers. The other is an individual wanting to keep their money safe somewhere which directly lends the bank your money. What do you want him to do? Store it in cash under his bed? You could've just used the meme "I want to improve the society somewhat. Yet you participate in said society."

[@yelnatsch517]

7:00 I have to agree with Hasan on this one. I used to think teachers get paid more than enough money for what they do, but that’s not a valid way of measuring what someone should be paid. If we look at the competency of teachers in our schools, it’s way below what it should be. Teachers also get basically no respect here in the US. I would strongly advocate for teachers to get paid around 5-6x the minimum wage, which would be around $80k-$180k/ yr depending on the area. If that happens, I believe we would get much better quality teachers.

[@GrapeJeli]

Teachers union is pure dogshit. If teachers were payed based on their performances good teachers would be paid more and bad teschers would be thrown out. Instead we pay them all equally and their dogshit results speak for themselves

[@GrapeJeli]

The whole problem with the education system is its a prime example of how socialism fails. Bad teachers and good teachers paid just the same

[@mace_felloutthe_windu]

You get better quality of teachers when you can fire the ones who are bad at their job. So better do something about the teachers' union before you start chucking money at teachers indiscriminately.

[@GrapeJeli]

@@mace_felloutthe_windu exactly

[@TotallMax13]

​@@mace_felloutthe_windu It's pretty hard to find enough good teachers when nobody wants to work as a teacher. Being a very stressful job that pays jack shit and all that.

[@silentbob8635]

13$ for 2 drinks is literally what starbucks would cost in florida....How is that so crazy expensive? Edit: I get that 13 is expensive for 2 drinks, but its regular ass prices for a starbucks. Thats what i meant by how is it crazy expensive.

[@turk2336]

my guy…..you have been brainwashed to think thats a good deal

[@ronswanson1410]

@@turk2336 they are asking why it’s so expensive, not asking how others see that as too pricey

[@dancinginfernal]

That's expensive as shit dude. It's mid-ass coffee and they're selling it to you for $6.50 a pop. You could make your own with a better quality bean and grind for cents on the dollar. They're abusing your ass at the coffee shop!

[@martyna.888]

**also florida sells most things for less, try Starbucks in NY or CA

[@martyna.888]

Of my coffee is more expensive than my breakfast then there is a problem lmao, close to 100$ per week? That’s 350-400$ a month that could cover a good portion of rent my guy

[@dRsrb]

Greetings from Vienna! 👋🏼😄

[@earthwalker2283]

The squatter conversation made me angry man. Sorry but dude on the right using a single anecdote of a guy saving money by exploiting legal loopholes to talk about the poor vulnerable investors is actual insanity. It can't be said any simpler than Hasan said it: empty building, people need shelter. How callous do you have to be to see three quarters of a million people exposed to the elements and your concern is the money these investors would lose on the 15+ million empty homes in this country? Shelter should not be an investment. A person feeding their family should not be reliant on second person's hard earned paycheck being deposited to the first's bank account through rent. That is absurd on its face, and that doesn't even take into account the fact that the person was wealthy enough to own a property that they didn't need for their own shelter in the first place. Let me put this into different and hopefully easier to understand words: HUMAN LIFE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN PROPERTY.

[@jamesboone2729]

Then go buy properties and let people live in them for free, if you want everyone else to follow your logic

[@noahboucher125]

​@@jamesboone2729"If you're so worried about starving children, why don't you feed them? If the environment is polluted, why don't you go clean it?"

[@jamesboone2729]

@@noahboucher125 yes

[@godscroissant1539]

@@noahboucher125yeah why don’t you?

[@jamesboone2729]

They don’t want to follow their own advice, instead they want everyone and the Government to do it. But nooo not then lmao

[@Logan.Winter]

Idk how Hasan stays so calm talking to graham about the homelessness problem, as graham is contributing first hand to the problem, it's hard talking to a landlord that really thinks they're morally sound people

[@curmudgeon1933]

True. Real Estate agents are some of the most amoral people around.

[@Logan.Winter]

@@curmudgeon1933 I mean I'd say landlords are even worse than real estate agents, at least real estate agents are just doing a job, landlords are just people with money

[@sarinat3101]

I like how Hasan's definition of socialism is the same one as the neocon Republicans: "socialism is when the government does stuff"

[@Boo-jk3ii]

Keep in mind Hasan loves to lie by omission and skirt the lines. Remember this is the guy who claims had to pirate games in Turkey because he was poor. Lol

[@teeqx7361]

Thank youuuu no one in the comments gets this lmfaooo

[@fourmoyle]

The amount of ignorance it must take to think a Republican government vs ANY socially conscious government is in ANY WAY similar must be STAGGERING.

[@FunctionallyLiteratePerson]

He doesn't actually have that view, he specifically says social safety net for most things as well as clarify that a lot of these things are what *people* believe are socialist. He does seem to have a good idea of various things from theory and has referenced them on stream. A lot of the beliefs represented in the conversation here is watered down for the average viewer

[@pslam2302]

great episode!

[@Eon-Blue]

The label “socialism” is always the biggest waste of time semantical argument. The policies matter-unions, co-ops, single payer health insurance, universal basic income, mandatory housing, etc etc.

[@darkfeign]

All of this can and does exist under capitalism in other countries. That's why socialism is so dumb, because it just ignores Hasan's more toxic ideals, such as reeducation for capitalists under his socialist society.

[@connorgreen5953]

⁠@@darkfeigndid you even listen to the podcast explains pretty clear on why he believes taxing the rich aka what you think reduction is will help support these programs

[@Eon-Blue]

@@connorgreen5953 yes, and I agree with Hasan. I’m just saying that half the American population has a knee-jerk fear response when they hear the word “socialism”, so it often helps to talk specifically about the policies instead.

[@nunpho]

​@@Eon-Bluethat is true unfortunately. It's the same as when you say something like feminism. Some people disregard it right away but if you describe the beliefs first instead then people usually agree.

[@yungmetr0135]

@@Eon-Blue Using the term "socialism" in 2024 and sticking it onto a completely different set of policies from the ones adopted by the regime that originally coined the term in the 1920's is akin to saying "national socialism" had good principles at its core and it's bad to have a knee-jerk reaction to it. It should be normal to have a negative reaction to a term that describes a regime in which people were literally getting mass deported due to ideology.

[@sivzzz3008]

It's so clear from an outsider POV that Graham and his ilk is just so stuck in the private ownership mindset, that they cannot even imagine the government owning shelter and distributing it. Hasan keeps saying homes don't HAVE to be owned by private investors and then Graham is like "bUt WhO wIlL pAy FoR tHeM?" The government Graham, the government...