Connecting The Index Controllers To The Oculus Quest 2 & 1 - Wireless Feels Amazing!

[@TappingTV]

A heads-up to anyone planning to use this set-up: you will need to recalibrate anytime you reconnect using Oculus Link or even if you put the headset to sleep. EDIT: You can keep the calibration ONLY IF you use Virtual Desktop and select ‘center to playspace (staged tracking)’ in VD settings. It won't work this way with Air Link

[@JonDotExe]

Eek, that's a pretty big limitation. Feels like having to redo the chaperone over and over. Fortunately, I only use the knuckles for a handful of games anyway.

[@TappingTV]

@@JonDotExe So I found IF (and only if) you use Virtual desktop with ‘center to playspace (staged tracking)’ selected in VD settings, then you can use it without recalibrations. But yeah, if not using it that way, it's a bit inconvenient

[@justtim4307]

@@TappingTV can you please help me. After i turn off my steam vr and take batteries out from quest controllers and turn on steam vr the steam vr doesn't see my headset anymore only if i reboot my PC but if i reboot my PC i will lose knuckles calibration. Such a circle of hell

[@theflashofvr5263]

Hi there there is actually a different solution to this that I have found out if you disable your gaurdian boundary things that you connect to steam vr like the knuckles and vive trackers will not drift and make you have to recalibrate them

[@theflashofvr5263]

@@justtim4307 you don’t have to take batteries out of your controllers just set them down somewhere and restart steam vr

[@HTCVive]

We're simple. We see Beat Saber and we tune in.

[@Sploo256]

hello there htc vive

[@TheGenner38x]

Jelo htc

[@dalttroxplays4991]

uh, can I get a free vive? I'll stream beatsaber for you

[@Skikopl]

@@dalttroxplays4991 they didnt even give thrillseeker one what are you hoping xD

[@dalttroxplays4991]

@@Skikopl can't a man dream!? xD

[@nnachti]

Update. My quest 2 will be here Friday and now I am perfectly happy I got it! I got it in hopes after I saw your videos about connecting the Knuckles, and that was my selling point! You are the man!!!

[@D-money813]

$800+ later. You can use your knuckles, but your quest is still uncomfortable. vr cover = $30 das = $100 das adapters = $25 amvr battery holder = $25. Are you sure you're ready?

[@justtim4307]

can you please help me. After i turn off my steam vr and take batteries out from quest controllers and turn on steam vr the steam vr doesn't see my headset anymore only if i reboot my PC but if i reboot my PC i will lose knuckles calibration. Such a circle of hell

[@PlutoPlays1]

Yay finally after the days of waiting it’s out

[@denlvr5606]

You put on some amazing unique content for the quest 2. You are definitely separating your channel from the Quest2 channels herd. And that is why your channel is growing very fast. Keep up the great work, cheers!

[@justtim4307]

can you please help me. After i turn off my steam vr and take batteries out from quest controllers and turn on steam vr the steam vr doesn't see my headset anymore only if i reboot my PC but if i reboot my PC i will lose knuckles calibration. Such a circle of hell

[@LemonOfLethargy]

YES I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO SEE THIS, EDIT: crap u need basestations aswell im kinda stupid and overlooked this

[@v_Magica]

I feel you

[@thespyderdude]

Yeah, worse part is base stations are expensive af for no reason. I might buy some to use with my quest simply because I want full body tracking, and if I buy a steam vr headset like I want to in the future, I will just end up with four base stations and have better tracking.

[@lemmmakestunes8312]

@@thespyderdude especially for the loud YEERRRRRRRR noise they make

[@thespyderdude]

@@lemmmakestunes8312 yeah

[@fckcoleslaw8533]

@@v_Magica i’m confused how did you dumbasses think it was going to be tracked? The LED systems you need to track the controllers for the quest rely on a completely different operating system why did you think there would be compatibility? Thank you for your time I’m going to go to a different comment section to shame someone else for their stupidity

[@pjedwards9339]

BROOOOO IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO EVER SINCE I GOT MY FIRST QUEST!!!!, It’s like when I first got it and found out that I can use my PC for it I wanted to see if I can buy index controllers for finger tracking. But couldn’t find any helpful KZbin videos on how to do it or people say it isn’t compatible. Thanks Mysticle😁

[@ex0rion408]

sus

[@martinrages]

@@ex0rion408 what?

[@Manaseeker]

Great guide and great that you already included the troubleshooting for common issues people might encounter. Now I just hope it will just work as well with the upcoming DecaGear since I wanna keep the lighthouse tracking of the controllers all around me instead of the limited tracking area of the inside out tracking (got some Knuckles already for my old Vive). As far as I understand the dongles of the Tundra Trackers should work for the Knuckles as well so I can get both the full body tracking and the controllers with just 1 dongle

[@MRHENO]

this comment is crazy because the decagear was canceled 2 years ago

[@adamkhateeb4867]

I literally just searched this up today and didn't find anything and now you saved me

[@lemur7455]

Me realizing that you could just buy the index for the prize of a quest 2, index controllers and 2 base stations

[@OpreanMircea]

yes, but the index has a wire, and it's not going wireless any time soon

[@justpancakes6019]

@@OpreanMircea but it has so much better, im gonna get the next index cause i have a quest 2 rn. Im jut gonna wait till valves next headset.

[@OpreanMircea]

@@justpancakes6019 can I ask what about the quest 2 is disappointing you? I'm torn between buying one or waiting to see what other headsets are coming

[@1blisslife]

@@OpreanMircea I can tell you that the only bad thing about it is the stock strap perhaps. I honestly think that it's a matter of preference. I like my quest 2 very much as stand-alone & for PC-VR my only gripe is the microphone when using Virtual desktop (I use bluetooth headphones connected to the pc). Outside of this it works well for me. My other only suggestion is to go for the 256gb model & not the 64gb. Cheers

[@ryanmalin]

@@OpreanMircea buy one! get a deluxe audio strap and mammut grips. Also an Anker Powerline 10000mah powerbank is a must. Im using virtual desktop at 120fps and its wonderful. Get a 64gb one. Make sure you have a good gaming PC. Make sure you have a wifi router in the same room you're playing VR in. Make sure your router is connected to your PC with an ethernet cable.

[@redhelmet8]

For anyone who might be in a similar situation I was. I have an absolute amalgamation of vr stuff from different systems now working. Vive base stations, Index controllers, and Quest 2 headset. Instead of getting the dongles, I was able to plug the Vive headset in to my computer while unplugging the HDMI from my computer and the HDMI from the vive hub splitter thing. This way the Indexes were communicating to SteamVR without using the headset as the video source. I would then start SteamVR and verify it detected the controller. (It would say headset not connected or error with the headset etc) Then I used Virtual Desktop to connect the quest 2 to my computer. I would press the restart headset button in steamvr OR just restart SteamVR. This would then connect the Quest 2 headset to Steam and now I could see the steam vr world. After that, I just ran OpenVR space calibrator and used Slow mode with the left knuckle and the quest 2 headset. This overlays both VR environments and matches them without needing to use the quest handsets. Naturally, it took an hour or two to get figured out (especially if I moved to a new house or room) however it only takes about 5 minutes if I am just restarting the system once it has been set up before. Things I learned. 1) Use room space set up on quest, not the sitting area. It seems to hold and remember where you are better which means a good portion of the time you won't need to recalibrate when starting up. 2) Put a piece of paper or something over the face sensor in the Quest 2 to prevent it going to sleep. Don't turn it off or let it go to sleep until you quit out of steamvr. Not sure why but that also seemed to help decrease the about of desyncs.

[@TheThunderGhost]

Even though I'll be using a Pico 4 instead of a Quest 2 with my Knuckles, this'll help! Appreciate the tip! And yeah I'll just keep my Index's USB plugged in instead of the dongles. Haha

[@smakealpha]

If you have trouble, to disable original controllers in steamVrR try this: remove batt from one q controller(left for example). launch seamVR turn on left knuckle remove second batt turn on rigth knuckle Next time just launch airlink and steamVR, knuckles become primary controllers.

[@justtim4307]

can you please help me. After i turn off my steam vr and take batteries out from quest controllers and turn on steam vr the steam vr doesn't see my headset anymore only if i reboot my PC but if i reboot my PC i will lose knuckles calibration. Such a circle of hell

[@BeyondtheBox1]

i've been waiting a year for this to actually work. good job. quite annoyed about the base stations, i didn't do PC vr because i didn't want wires running everywhere

[@justtim4307]

can you please help me. After i turn off my steam vr and take batteries out from quest controllers and turn on steam vr the steam vr doesn't see my headset anymore only if i reboot my PC but if i reboot my PC i will lose knuckles calibration. Such a circle of hell

[@yourlilbrudder5766]

If you can’t get dongles, I highly suggest getting an old used Vive, which has 2 built in dongles, and you can get knuckles compatible basestations with them if the seller has them. Then just unplug the vive HDMI and use the quest/quest 2

[@o.oswift181]

but no wireless :(

[@evelynuwu]

@@o.oswift181 it's wireless, you'll be playing with the quest 2, not the vive, the vive only functions as a dongle, basically.

[@yourlilbrudder5766]

@@o.oswift181 no. Use the vive as dongles but unplug the HDMI and use the quest/Q2 as the headset. Also vive does have a wireless mode.

[@DJordydj]

OK I need to know more about this method in detail, because I'm interested in using my HTC Vive and Index controllers combining the space calibrated with the base stations with the space calibrated inside the Oculus Quest. If I can avoid buying dongles and also using my controllers, I'm soooo into it and I would need a complete tutorial (if you could provide, of course).

[@yourlilbrudder5766]

@@DJordydj plug in the vive in and connect the controllers. Then close out of Steam vr, unplug the vive’s video (hdmi or DisplayPort), make sure link/virtual desktop is on, then turn on your knuckles, and start Steam vr. Then, use Space Calibrator to align the quest controllers to the knuckles. I factory reset my quest 2 because I’m trying to sell it, so I can’t make a tutorial, but I tried it once and it worked along the lines of that. Tell me if you have any problems.

[@probablybobross5790]

Heads up you do not need to buy a watchman dongle if you have a basestation tracked hmd (like orinigal htc vive, valve index, etc.) Just plug in the usb but not the display input.

[@probablybobross5790]

Also you can calibrate the index controllers to the headset itself rather than the controllers (minrar non controller is headset) and you won't need to exit out of steam vr to use it then.

[@Dert26]

Do you still need to do the calibration, or is it just as simple as disconnecting the display port, then connecting through VD with the Quest 2 and turning the Index controllers on?

[@probablybobross5790]

@@Dert26 I haven't used VD but you should be ok as long as the headset itself display cable is not plugged into computer and using ovr space calibrator wish is free, and syncing controllers to headset

[@Dert26]

@@probablybobross5790 I keep running into this issue where SteamVR won't open right because of the fact that I'm having to open it with Hand Tracking so that the controllers don't auto connect to SteamVR

[@probablybobross5790]

@@Dert26 yeah idkwoth virtual desktop but if you can get into VD without controllers turned on, using hand tracking or just before going in VR mode. If oculus detects you had controllers on at any point it kind of fucks it up.

[@NyansLegacy]

you should change the calibration speed to slow and do slower figure eights around your room or it will desync. also only hold the left touch controller and left knuckle not both. plus it MIGHT de-sync when you take off the quest

[@justtim4307]

can you please help me. After i turn off my steam vr and take batteries out from quest controllers and turn on steam vr the steam vr doesn't see my headset anymore only if i reboot my PC but if i reboot my PC i will lose knuckles calibration. Such a circle of hell

[@Simlife101]

Little tip for the future. When you ask someone a question and hit reply if it doesnt auto fill their name so example @personsname type their name with @ before it that way the person your speaking to will see your commmet otherwise they do not ❤​@@justtim4307

[@yodison666]

I think thats the downfall of it. If im not mistaken having a tracker helps ​@justtim4307

[@Zerithax]

Also keep in mind that the company that invented the Tundra trackers also invented SteamVR-compatible dongles that support ANY Steam devices and can connect multiple to a single dongle, so you could one day drop this down to 1 dongle supporting both your Knuckles (or if you want to get trackers, a total of 5 devices due to 3 trackers and your 2 controllers all on one of their dongles).

[@gyroninjamodder]

All watchman dongles support any device using the watchman protocol such as vive wands, vive tracker pucks, knuckles, etc.

[@justtim4307]

can you please help me. After i turn off my steam vr and take batteries out from quest controllers and turn on steam vr the steam vr doesn't see my headset anymore only if i reboot my PC but if i reboot my PC i will lose knuckles calibration. Such a circle of hell

[@Onthebrightside_VR]

I got the index controller just recently and was curious if I could use it with my Quest 2, then I saw your video. Awesome!!!! Just ordered the VR dongles. Thank you!

[@KraMelius.]

You need the valve base stations too for tracking the index controller on quest

[@mrdevil005]

How long do they take to deliver?

[@mudelixxen]

@@mrdevil005 a few days for the vrdongles and abt 5-7 days for valve I dex

[@hightde13]

That should be the next DIY community project. DIY base stations. ;)

[@ex0rion408]

sus

[@stanleyhoptroff]

idk if that will be possible beacuse of the fact of the way basestations work

[@jt16omes]

you could but it would be quite difficult to do optics and spinny bit wise

[@Glade4]

Pretty big thing to not mention at the start of video, I had no idea you need base stations

[@JonDotExe]

@@stanleyhoptroff Tell that to OG 3D printers...

[@Popi89ferezzx]

Don't do them in one spot. Do the figure eights all around your room overwise they'll start desyncing once you move from that spot

[@vShiny]

Thank god UPS finally found your house, I've been so excited for this video

[@EngiMain8000]

2:46 How did you disconnect your controllers from SteamVR? I have them unpaired and the batteries taken out but SteamVR still treats them as the main controllers and any controller I connect after that acts as a full body tracker. I have been googling and looking on youtube for ages but I cannot find the answer to this. Edit: 3:55 is the answer

[@chekote]

Great overview of the setup! I've actually had this exact set up for a while now but with two additions: 1. I have Vive trackers set up so I get full body tracking with the Quest 2 wirelessly. 2. The PC running Steam VR is literally on the other side of the house to the spare room that I use to play VR. I use a small Linux box in the VR room with Virtual Here to plug the dongles into. Then the PC accesses the USB dongles wirelessly also. It's awesome not being tethered to my PC in any way, not even in the same room. I can literally have my PC in the normal desktop gaming area but still have a completely empty room dedicated to room-scale VR with full body tracking. Also, I haven't tried it yet, BUT you can install Virtual Here on the Quest 2 itself and use a USB hub on that for the dongles to eliminate the need for any kind of Linux box. I'm a little concerned about eating up the precious bandwidth that Virtual Desktop needs though.

[@TappingTV]

I have a question: do you need to recalibrate every play session, or does the calibration hold for you? I've tested this with my Quest, but unlike my WMR headset, the calibration doesn't stick anytime the Quest is reconnected via Oculus Link (or even if the headset goes to sleep)

[@justtim4307]

can you please help me. After i turn off my steam vr and take batteries out from quest controllers and turn on steam vr the steam vr doesn't see my headset anymore only if i reboot my PC but if i reboot my PC i will lose knuckles calibration. Such a circle of hell

[@justtim4307]

can you please help me. After i turn off my steam vr and take batteries out from quest controllers and turn on steam vr the steam vr doesn't see my headset anymore only if i reboot my PC but if i reboot my PC i will lose knuckles calibration. Such a circle of hell

[@chekote]

@@justtim4307 this video is pretty out of date. You don’t have to take your batteries out of your Quest controllers anymore. The best way to do it is to use the Quests hand tracking so you never have to pick up the Quest controllers in the first place.

[@justtim4307]

@@chekote how can I do it?

[@PixelWorldVR]

I'm watching this a second time because my base stations finally came in. I swear that Danny DeVito scares me every time you start the demonstration!

[@ye6942]

This would be worth it if not for the base stations and knuckles unreliability when it comes to lasting more than 6 months

[@LemonOfLethargy]

Yeah the index and its children are kinda fragile, still might do this if ive got some money to flush down the toilet considering i like the knuckles in general

[@TheMysticle]

I've heard all about it :( I pulled the trigger on them anyway, after all, they are the only ones out like this for now. I also heard they have an RMA process if needs be, even though those are always a pain :(

[@ye6942]

@@TheMysticle I have a handful of VR KZbinr friends and only one of them hasn’t had problems with their knuckles. Best of luck bröther

[@gyroninjamodder]

My controllers have lasted over a year and my base stations have been running for over a year (ignoring power outages) with no issues.

[@LemonOfLethargy]

@@gyroninjamodder well guess you have good luck

[@Number1S0n]

This is going to sound weird, but you helped me pass a Beat Saber level...okay, let me explain. I saw that you posted a new video, so naturally I clicked on it. I watched your Beat Saber gameplay, and I saw how softly you were hitting the notes. So I thought "hmmm, let me give that a try" since when I played, I always used my full force on every note because me being stupid though force = more points = better score. So I tried to hit the notes gently, and surely enough, I Beat Full Charge on expert+ first try (I had been practicing at this song for a week now so far). It also helped me to save energy and I used to begin sweating 10 minutes into laying. I just played for an hour, and I not a single drop of sweat formed on me. I am going to play this way for the rest of my days. Thank you!! Edit: Just beat Commercial Pumping with the same method, I'm now in the double digit range of Expert+ songs beaten!! 10 (so far) to be exact.

[@OpreanMircea]

but hitting harder equals more fun

[@Number1S0n]

@@OpreanMircea But harder hit = less energy and make you tired faster

[@justtim4307]

can you please help me. After i turn off my steam vr and take batteries out from quest controllers and turn on steam vr the steam vr doesn't see my headset anymore only if i reboot my PC but if i reboot my PC i will lose knuckles calibration. Such a circle of hell

[@capngitgud]

This seems like the move for me specifically. I have an OG vive and was originally going to update to a reverb g2+index controllers, but after that resident evil 4 vr announcement and 120hz, plus a huge drop in price, not getting a quest 2 just seems like a bad idea. Also I read somewhere if you have a vive, you don't have to buy dongles. So that's even more money I can save.

[@evandossett3897]

So does this mean that you can pair the vive controllers the same way?

[@SkuxxMcMuffin69]

Did you end up doing this? Buying a quest for Wirless PC gaming and did the vive work as the dongle?

[@adambrezny]

Finally!!! Been looking forward to this one. Great vid as always.

[@dannystevens3182]

Dude The valve index controllers are almost the same price as the quest 2 without the base stations So if you buy the index controller + 2 base station you can buy 2 quest 2 kits.

[@ex0rion408]

sus

[@Vitoreo]

Quest 2 + knuckles + base stations with dogels is like what? 850$? At that point you could just crust in another 150 and get the index.

[@D-money813]

@@Vitoreo And actually be happy. lol

[@heygusinvr8450]

Bro I've been watching you since I bought my quest 2 and I didn't know you were from Ireland... nice to know.. keep doing videos for us

[@stebst]

How do you disconnect the touch controllers, I've been removing the batteries which is kinda a pain. Was not sure if there was a better way to do it.

[@Paradox-bh2mu]

you put them on a table pretty far away from your play area or a table upside down and they might go away

[@rowandoggo]

I'm literally doing this only because Index controllers are better for sign language in vrchat, and this answers every one of my questions

[@Psrj-ad]

i dont know why this topic isnt talked about more in games like beatsaber the latency you experience on wireless PC VR is in the controllers, so doing somthing like this is perfect for PC VR.

[@nomana922]

thank you for this great walk through i just bought my knuckles for the quest2 this video is great!!!

[@HM-zl1jl]

If the new psvr controllers can work with base stations to be fully tracked, i would love to see somebody try connecting them to steam! Those controllers having pcvr support with haptic trigger mods for games would be a dream

[@Vitoreo]

They will not work with the base stations for sure.

[@00WhiteBlade]

Can you do the step at 3:48 without Quest 3 controllers?

[@ethannash1637]

Hi! Question. If you are using full body tracking with the quest 2 with the vive trackers, you have to use the same calibration technique for the trackers as you do with the controllers. Now if I pair the index controllers, when i have to calibrate the trackers do i do it with the touch controllers or the index ones? And if I have to do it with the touch ones will it still be simple to just switch back to the index ones?

[@justtim4307]

can you please help me. After i turn off my steam vr and take batteries out from quest controllers and turn on steam vr the steam vr doesn't see my headset anymore only if i reboot my PC but if i reboot my PC i will lose knuckles calibration. Such a circle of hell

[@senpaim7957]

Your channel is so underrated, i wish u get more subscribers

[@bigheadfriendly]

can you use the index controllers at the same time with 3 vive trackers (specifically in vrchat) or is that too much tracking?

[@neutralguy2428]

You can have as much steam vr tracked controllers as you want with using base stations so yes

[@twobigballs6196]

But you will have 30 miliseconds of latency of your tracking and base station tracking so it will be not as the pcvr tracking

[@picaface9]

thank you for making this video I wanted the feeling of a Vive then you made this and it helped thank you

[@k1ndlek]

Day #02 of commenting "Another quality video!"

[@ex0rion408]

sus

[@ayy6dee]

good to see captions are back

[@JonahFi]

I never new you lived in Ireland I do 2 omg

[@Redwah]

I usually watch the videos in 2x speed, when I heard Ireland, I paused and went back and was like "No way he's from Ireland". Now I'm wondering what county and if Mysticle will let me have a go off his VR ready PC as I'm just a loser with a Quest 2

[@parkourchrispk]

5:23 me on the dance floor at the 8th grade homecoming

[@8Beet]

Me, a PC VR user (from index and vive pro) who recently got a quest pro: can actually make use of this Thanks for the short and simple tutorial! Really wish we had something like the quest pro or pico pro that had native steam vr tracking though.

[@NathanSylbreon]

no clue why you would downgrade from good pcvr headsets

[@iceman125971]

I just noticed Frank in a bathrobe and it scared the shit outta me. I was like dude. Some old short naked guy is behind you lol. Then I was like. Wait. I know that old short naked guy.

[@duongdiamond5607]

does this method work for quest 3

[@NIUS_PROCESSOR]

Probably yes

[@AlexUnknown37]

Little upset as I already knew how to do this, i thought there would be something new or something I didn't know. I personally use my headset for calibration, I "equip" the knuckle controller and then grab the side of my headset and just move my head all around XD like a big goof. Great video tho for people who didn't know. Also glad you got a pair of knuckles, they are my favorite controller by far.

[@redn2994]

This has been done 2 years ago on cas and chary channel. Damn shame the base station are needed

[@JonDotExe]

What lol, how else would it even track? The index controllers have literally no other way to track than by laser reference.

[@chris_kazuki]

Just used my old htc vive as a usb dongle for the controllers and connect via steam link, with the fork from hyblocker of open vr space calibrator it worked flawless with my quest 3. And configuration was still saved even after restrart of steam vr.

[@nateqsz3627]

Day 1 of commenting until he gives me the red heart

[@izzyhope58]

I think the best thing about doing this is the menu buttons. Actually having one menu button dedicated to the steam vr menu and one for the game. The fact that with the oculus controllers one menu button ALWAYS opens the oculus menu and the other one is forced to be steam VR and the the games menu button is SUPER frustrating for me. but using the index controllers I'd assume it'd work like if you're playing on an index headset, one does steam vr menu and the other dedicated to the game. I'm buying index controllers and trackers JUST for this. not to mention improved tracking with beat saber. I feel like beat saber tracking is horrible with inside out tracking and I keep missing notes I shouldn't miss

[@owennelson64]

On my index both menu buttons always bring up the SteamVR dashboard... is there a setting or something I don't know of?

[@izzyhope58]

@@owennelson64 It might depend on the game. I know when using the quest with virtual desktop most of the time the menu button brings up steam vr menu, but in a couple games (super hot is the only one that comes to mind) it brings up an in game menu and not the steam vr menu

[@owennelson64]

@@izzyhope58 I guess I never noticed, lol

[@Enderplays12]

Yeah, just a few weeks ago I've got my Pico 4. Great fella, but expert+ on beat saber are impossible and frustrating as fuck.

[@leviwilson1947]

Quest 3??

[@Netzu965]

gonna hold me over while im waiting on an RMA for steam, anything with the quest is such a pain in the ass, i gotta do the space calibrator with the trackers too, good work on the guide!

[@Kelvin-w6s]

Fuck haha the old man in the back I thought it was your father or grandfather hahahahsha 4:15

[@nickelhydra3262]

I'm just waiting for UPS to say: *sike! We'll take those back.*

[@rx4_ever886]

WOW MAN i remeber watching you back when u fixed your internet thing with the help of maybe your cousin or family member, in the quest 1 days. i swear i lost ur channel for so long and i found it now 😭

[@lazyme35]

Been doing this for a month now with my quest 2 and totally agree, the knuckles are the best VR controllers

[@ex0rion408]

sus

[@madbruv]

@@ex0rion408 whats sus

[@SkuxxMcMuffin69]

Have you still been using this method? is it still good?

[@MistaMugi]

I know this video is fairly old already, but going to this video is so helpful because the valve index DP connector that routes to the headset directly breaks after a certain amount of use, and not only that, but they're super expensive and can't be found anywhere else cheaper. Having 3 basestations and 2 pairs of valve index controllers with the vive 3.0 tracking, so hoping this will help get rid of the valve index issue. Edit: I also have the super wireless dongle from tundra labs and they connect valve index controllers, so i hope this also works with the quest 2.

[@aliasje2snj731]

9:49 my calibration fucks up every time I start steamvr and I need to recalibrate and it doesn't work. Can anyone help?

[@Hunglo90]

Thanks for the video! Super helpful!

[@00WhiteBlade]

2:58 just says "SteamVR is unable to find any hardware to pair controllers to. Make sure your headset is connected" EDIT: Nevermind. The USB extension cable sent to me with the Watchmen dongles was faulty. Oh and if anyone in the future is reading this I encourage you to buy a Vive tracker 3.0 and a way to mount it to your Quest 3. The temporary calibration shown in this video will be erased after every play session and doesn't work that well to begin with. Your quest will always think your Index knuckles are where your Quest 3 controllers were: that is, about 2 inches off. But with a Vive tracker strapped to your Quest 3 the OpenVR-Calibration software can continuously adjust and correct itself throughout your play session, directly scanning the Index controllers. Or so the folks at r/MixedVR say. Personally, I think i'll buy the AMVR Quest 3 straps and just forget finger tracking altogether. no games really use it anyway.

[@JonDotExe]

What microphone and black square thing are on your headset at 0:53? I'm using a wired lavalier because all the movo wireless one's I tried sucked a lot, especially for real time monitoring.

[@B3asst]

It is called a mod mic sorry for the late reply

[@BLiNKBTW]

After the index controllers are pairs is it possible to navigate in virtual desktop with these ? Every time I go back to virtual desktop out of game to navigate on my desktop the index controllers turn off because steam vr is on or off doesn’t matter I have to use quest controllers. Can I keep both quest controllers active while I’m using index controllers in vrchat or any other game? Or do I need to pop out the battery and pop back in when I need to interact with virtual desktop like change a song on Spotify

[@arndt3125]

Previous tutorials from other KZbinrs mention you can just get old steam controllers on the cheap and flash those dongles to work as lighthouse dongles. Maybe wouldn't be cheaper, but probably faster way to get your hands on dongles.

[@Diamondst]

I don’t have knuckles but for some reason I’m still watching this

[@basvm6123]

same

[@Xzarations]

I have knuckles but I don’t have a quest 2 but for some reason I’m still watching this

[@KastingShadows]

@@Xzarations lol

[@EthnicCleanser]

Tip! you don't need to use the quest 2 controllers at all go from quest 2 ui in stand alone, open air link than connect. Now open steam with space calibrator installed & vr dongles plugged in. Turn on knuckle controllers they might be a few meters away from you right now. (mini game time) Snipe the option of the HMD quest 2 and also select a knuckle controller left or right and select calibrate. All you need to do now is hold your hand directly in front of you. rest/ lock your wrist under the headset it self and look around all axis like you're (holding a gun the the headset is the back stock). how the controller should be paired to your headset and the other hand will follow and you've now got accurate hand tracking.

[@cloudcommunications2336]

Very interesting I just got a index but still have a quest 2 hate the cable on index I also have vive trackers but every time I used them I had to re-calibrate doing the whole fig 8 thing, you saying I don’t have to recalibrate though with the knuckle controllers interests me is that because of a new version of space Cali or just the way it works on the knuckle controllers, or is it the dongle thing you plugged in and you don’t have to calibrate more than once do you know?

[@TappingTV]

It's the way he worded it I think -- he said "it stays after you shut down SteamVR" which is technically true... but the calibration does not stay when the Quest is reconnected via Oculus Link, or even if the headset is put to sleep. At least, as far as I've tested.

[@kyleb8117]

Thank you so much for this. I bought a game that requires Knuckles to play properly and now I can play it (I was going to refund it and possibly get the Quest version but...that'd cost a lot and take up space in the headset...) It'll also be great for games that involve things like physically throwing grenades/weapons. (Only downside was waiting about a month for the dongles I ordered to ship.)

[@Josh-tt2wh]

as immersive as the knuckles are, i can never come back from hot swappable batteries

[@myrhraivideo390]

Awesome video, sadly I am distracted by the delicious looking contents in the mug. What drink did you have??

[@djcat7184]

Amazing work! Defo what I plan to do!

[@Spidoc]

This is the one video youtube didn't notify me about

[@L33T_Taco]

Commenting again for answer, sorry. Do i need virual desktop for this to method to work

[@CiCaruana]

9:45 That's not entirely true, the Knuckles can and likely will desync and start to drift over time. Sometimes if you calibrate properly (as in you do the figure-8's AND move across the entire playspace as you do it) on top of just being kinda lucky, desyncing could take upwards of months to get noticeable, but to say that someone won't need to do it again isn't accurate.

[@TheMysticle]

I probably haven't used it for long enough, I just restarted multiple times and noticed that it didn't reset but thank you for letting us know! I'll keep an eye out and make sure to recalibrate when it does :D

[@CiCaruana]

@@TheMysticle No worries! I hope it treats you well enough that you at least won't have to do it again any time soon :)

[@Neofire60]

Tundra, the people working on the Tundra Trackers also sell the Watchman Dongles.

[@splonkerz]

one thing i wanted to add, doing very slow will offer more tracking data in your play space getting more accurate tracking

[@voltagemike4457]

personnally, i do as mysticle does, but thats because its not truly always stable when i boot back, so i just do fast as anyway the difference is negligible

[@splonkerz]

@@voltagemike4457 i get that, might as well do the fastest to get into your games quicker

[@Miljon]

Is it possible to use for example the CV1 controllers on quest 2 using this same method?

[@Super-id7bq]

When you skip ahead and genuinely ask yourself "what the fuck is Danny Devito doing in this dude's bedroom?

[@sudilos1172]

tracking is fantastic! (laser spams left and right)

[@L33T_Taco]

So is there any difference with not using virtual desktop...

[@pallyscrew6047]

Ok im new to streaming and content creation on KZbin and this dudes vr info is fast af period so many vods so quick like dude sleep much lol I love this vod because I love my index knuckles more then anything and to use them on quest 2 in 120 mode wireless is about to be beast mode can't wait to stream this soon ty from Pallys Crew ps we should link up and vr soon brother ❤

[@itzrokian]

I've been at this for about an hour and I've had no luck. Half the time the base stations just shut off and the other half the controllers lose tracking entirely when I move them even the slightest amount, stopping calibration dead in it's tracks. Does anyone have any suggestions to fix this? No one seems to have any issues similar to mine...

[@bronks1200]

It won’t keep the Calibration, then when I try to recalibrate steamvr blocks everything. This became not worth it real fast I just don’t have the patience.

[@gyroninjamodder]

9:14 You have it backwards. Knuckles controllers use inside out tracking. There are photodiodes on the controller to detect the lasers from the lighthouses. Oculus controllers use outside in tracking. There are LEDs on the controller which are picked up by cameras on the HMD.

[@D-money813]

No, you have it. wrong.

[@gyroninjamodder]

@kilsnacks No. Trackers have senses on them which can desert the infrared laser of a base station. The IMU is also on the tracked object. It's definitely inside out tracking.

[@gyroninjamodder]

@kilsnacks You do not understand the terms you are using if you think I am wrong. Inside out tracking uses sensors on a tracked object to track that object. Outside in tracking done by having sensors pointed at the object that is being tracked. An Index controller uses inside out tracking because it uses sensor data from photodiodes on the controller to determine it's location in space. An Oculus touch controller uses outside in tracking because cameras on the HMD are pointed at the controller. Both of these controllers also use IMU data which is inside out tracking since the IMU is on the tracked object. A base station does not track the location of a controller. It does have an IMU on it and it transmits that data to the controller by flashing the laser. It also uses that IMU to stop the spinning if you move it. In regards to searching the internet, unfortunately most people are wrong. Comments like the one I made on this video serve to help correct this misinformation that has been spreading.

[@gyroninjamodder]

@kilsnacks The HMD itself uses exclusively inside out tracking since the cameras are on the headset. In regards to HTC or Valve calling their headset outside in that must be miscommunication between the engineering and marketing departments. Outside in tracking solution like for the Oculus Rift had cameras which you had to set up in your room that talked to your computer. While this might seem similar to setting up base stations, base stations do not talk to your compute but merely spin a blinking laser that shines light through a lens which approximately makes a plane of light.

[@legendfpv]

You're both wrong. They're both inside out tracked. Quest 2 is markerless, Index is marker based.

[@hexerade.e6142]

Actually got a Quest 2 ontop of my Index for wireless and standalone vr, and have been using my Index controllers with it sometimes too

[@Futuresemisuperminipro]

can you invert this for the valve index and then use oculus controllers

[@yaj9793]

Does this work with fullbody tracking? I'm a quest 2 fullbody user and ive bought the 2 dongles necessary for the valve index controllers and I was wondering if you use OpenVr with trackers and it's calibration. Would it be tricky or a different process to do both trackers and index controllers? Edit: it does work with fullbody. It's essentially the same as having two trackers except, of course, you need to have the two quest controllers out of your playspace area or, take the battery off.

[@skiibunnyy3059]

I’m pretty sure because your touch controllers will register as the primary controller

[@skiibunnyy3059]

I realized this after you restart vr it will only show the two controllers

[@-DawnZero]

Did you ever find out?

[@ramunztv3258]

so did you need the dongles even if u have htc vive base stations

[@ToastieStroodle]

ive been wanting to do this since i got my pc built. now i just need to somehow cough up the $500 or so, to actually get them (including base stations)

[@ex0rion408]

sus

[@madbruv]

@@ex0rion408 what was sus about his comment

[@axylis]

We can play beat saber with if we downloaded it on oculus store ?

[@catsorafgc]

Oooooh, think I’ll invest in these. I also use vive trackers, will the calibration stay consistent as well?

[@AquaTreasures]

Can I just unplug the controller batteries on my quest 2 controllers instead of exiting?

[@ZOMIBOalt]

Not watched you since 12k subs

[@Ironystorm]

Just got my index controllers funny thing is I did not need to caliberate them they were just in perfect position somehow. Does it sync with vive tracker info ? i don't know I didn't have my vive trackers on at the time of testing. Issues I face right now is how to access virtual desktop hotkey or how to exit virtual desktop without reenabling oculus controller then once your back in steam vr the other index controller is knocked out because you had to use a oculus controller. Otherwise it works great

[@greggeroni2180]

for me i am gonna wait for the next gen of vr headsets and controllers to see if it will be cheaper and maybe even better

[@FragEightyfive]

Whats the deal with these 2 issues with Index: squeaky triggers on Index controllers? I'm on my 3rd set and they LOUD squeaky triggers. I gave up and just deal with it. LOUD base stations. The base stations are VERY LOUD compared to the OG Vive base stations. On 2nd pair and no difference.

[@SavaVR]

How good is it in keeping the calibration ? i use the space cal for my fbt and i need to recalibrate alot

[@chekote]

Have you gotten room scale set up when using the Quest 2 with index controllers? If so, how? I'm not able to get room scale games working with this. e.g. Trover Saves the Universe won't load unless you have room scale configured, and I can't seem to do that. When I first switched to Quest 2 wireless, my room scale was already set up from my previous HTC hardware. But recently I reformatted, and now I can't seem to set up room scale without a headset that uses the lighthouse trackers. If I try to set up room scale while using the Quest 2 with the Index Controllers, it claims there is no headset and won't proceed. If I use "Quick Calibrate" under the SteamVR -> Developer -> Room and Tracking settings, I end up in the floor. I tried fixing it with Playspace Mover, but when I load a game like Trover Saves the Universe, my perspective is all wrong.

[@liulauver2034]

This is a really late question and doubt it will get answered by anyone. But I have the Quest 2, as well as full body tracking pucks. This has worked fine for me in VR but the process of calibrating the pucks through the VR Space Cal requires me to use my quest controllers. I get my index controllers here in a few days but wanted to know if there was a certain way I should set up my trackers as well as the index controllers. The controllers save their space in SteamVR but my pucks don't. Any ideas on what I should or shouldn't do?

[@brianharvey3404]

(1) Does your quest 2 go on standby when you take it off? (2) When I launch steamVR the Space CAL app opens automatically but also closes automatically when steamVR is shutdown. Does this app need to remain running for the index controller to track properly? (3) does having a boundary setup in quest 2 matter? or can stationary boundary be used? (4) I seem to be stuck in a constant loop of calibration every time I launch steamVR as the Space CAL app keeps opening and steam VR shows all four controllers and base stations. So confused, any chance you could post an updated video with current version of the Space CAL app and using the PCVR link cable (not using virtual desktop)?