Conquest of India - LIES - Extra History

Welcome Extra Historians to Lies, where we talk about the mistakes we made and the details we couldn't quite squeeze into the episode properly. Will Army the Armchair return? Did we mess up a map? How many powers were ACTUALLY in India at the time?
Recommended Reading:
Claude Markovits, ed., A History of Modern India, 1480-1950 (London: Anthem Press, 2002)
John Keay, India: A History (New York: Grove, 2000)
Douglas M. Peers, India under Colonial Rule, 1700-1885 (London: Routledge, 2006)
Ranajit Guha, Dominance without Hegemony: History and Power in Colonial India (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1998)
Harban Mukhia, The Mughals (Oxford: Blackwell, 2004)
Timestamps!
1:39 - Recommended Reading/General Questions
3:16 - Episode 1
5:44 - Episode 2
8:20 - Episode 3
14:43 - Episode 4
16:55 - Episode 5
20:16 - Next on Extra History
22:06 - Ibn Battuta Side Trip
If you missed the previous episodes check them out here:
Part One - A Historical Paradox - • Conquest of India - A ...
Part Two - East India Companies - • Conquest of India - Ea...
Part Three - The Black Hole - • Conquest of India - Th...
Part Four - The Company Raj - • Conquest of India - Th...
Part Five - The Empty Chair - • Conquest of India - Th...
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[@extrahistory]

Check the description for the recommend reading for the Conquest of India episodes, time stamps, and links to our socials!

[@fireisawesome1466]

Hey, you should visit Kerala next time if possible because it is a fascinating part of India it is the part of India where Vasco da Gama "discovers India". And it is called "god's own country"

[@foozballguy]

Thanks for this series and this lies episode, but I'm sad to say, especially as a patron, that this was a weaker series in terms of what you guys cut out and presented. But this lies episode is probably amongst the 3 best

[@breaderikthegreat3224]

How can this comment be 4 days old

[@shashwatsreenivasan4505]

Can you guys do a spinoff for the rebellion of 1857 or like Rani laxmibai as another woman main series love the cleopatra one

[@user-mu8vy1bn8e]

i may not be any patron(i support you extra credits but i am not able to become patron because money) i want to suggest you to give us some information about the war of triple alliance. i am an indian but when i found out the war of triple alliance was so devastating for paraguay i wanted to know more but there was less content available. so i would suggest you to enlighten us about it. thank you

[@lythene2083]

I understand the Armchair's appearance when explaining the concept of a Historical paradox, but I'm otherwise glad to see them go. None of the other appearances Army made felt necessary, especially in a show that already has to make concessions for episode length. But other than that I did enjoy this series, and was happy to learn something about a part of history I honestly knew nothing about. Great job as always, and I'm looking forward to the upcoming series.

[@aceous99]

Never seen so many people upset by a chair since Game of Thrones

[@ArnoldDarkshner99]

He was an interesting idea but I did feel he was overused and too condescending.

[@gaussianvector2093]

A think Fonzie might have a solution for you, just saying.

[@aceous99]

@@gaussianvector2093 ayeeeee

[@thejungwookim]

Not gonna lie I kinda wanna see a history series based on lies to see how long the LIES episode would be

[@srikrishnak196]

Wish Extra credit makes a series on the Chola empire, which is one of the greatest Indian thalassocrcies in history, doing operations as far as Cambodia and Indonesia...

[@mowgli5837]

First step: beg non indians to tell the world your story. As if they are your daddy. Last step: cry like children when they bring in their bias and lies.

[@mowgli5837]

No way. Our stories. we will tell it to the world. Stop being their dog already.

[@TechieWidget]

I would like to see you do a series of episodes on the downfall of Joseon Korea, as a follow up to Admiral Yi episodes you did years ago. It’s a period of Korean history that is not talked about often, and the factors behind its downfall into becoming part of Japanese Empire can be convoluted. I look forward to the Japanese militarism episodes, since it’s rarely talked about. As someone who have relatives that survive the Pacific theater of WW2, it would be interesting to see you guys take on the subject of the rise of Japanese militarism.

[@thetruerift]

Still pulling for Zoey on a War Elephant :P

[@abcdef27669]

Matt didn't allowed it, because he was afraid for the security of the elephant...

[@Overlord_Marishka]

They didn't. Zoey got there herself. XD You know the biggest thing the artist struggles with are flags.

[@timdoesleveldesign]

Thank you guys for the integrity and due diligence of your series 🙂

[@rugvedtamhan]

Maratha empire is rather glossed over here but would love to see a series on it.

[@udayrathod3786]

Mughals decline started after Aurangzeb and then Marathas weakened them to the cores and British just swept over after that.

[@civilengineer3349]

I wish there could be a series about Baibars. Its a story about refugees escaping Genghis Khan, Central Asian slave soldiers, the 7th Crusade, betrayal, a coup, feudal Egypt and Syria, the wife of a dead Sultan secretly ruling a might empire behind the scene, the final destruction of all the Crusader held cities in the levant, and vengeance against the Mongols

[@MChagall]

Are Baibars another word for Mamluks?

[@civilengineer3349]

Baibars is the name of a man who did become a Mamluk. His name means "Lord Panther". He had a friend who was also a Mamluk named Qutuz which means "wild dog". In Urdu, a language in Pakistan, Quta means "dog"

[@MChagall]

@@civilengineer3349 shukriya

[@drg.naufal]

and he killed Qutuz

[@thatindiandude4602]

@@civilengineer3349 Baibars was a Cuman I believe. Had his family killed by the mongols, had himself sold into slavery bother Mongols qnd came I to the possession of the Egyptian Sultan. Later, he became the commander that handed the Mongols their defeat at the battle of Ain Jalut.

[@GCOSBenbow]

I really appreciate the work you all put into the main series, but I almost think I like these extra bits you do if not more at least as much! Love the tangents you spill onto and the extra bits you slide in.

[@yetigriff]

I've never watched a "Lies" episode before. These are a brilliant addition. Thank you

[@sugamnema9103]

You accepted your mistakes and answered other question very neatly.. thats why i love this channel!! History with humility

[@civilengineer3349]

What I learned from the conquest of India is that when the gov begins to fall apart, there is even more misery because landlords and companies take over.

[@samwiseshanti]

I think you see that a lot these days, especially when looking over at the USA (I'm european). Its easy for people to conceptualise how governments can exercise too much power over people, so conservatives want to avoid that by having a small government with very limited power, perfectly sensible and reasonable, in theory. In reality, 'landlords and companies' as you say accumulate power instead, and invariably go on to be just as oppressive, but with even less accountability.

[@civilengineer3349]

@@samwiseshanti I'm Canadian. In Canada, when a man talks about "small gov", he is talking about cutting public goods. Public goods help working class common men like me, which is why I am against "small government".

[@mjbull5156]

The Mughals treated the EIC as a vassal giving them governmental powers, because they did not have a model for treating a company. Those were not powers businesses can pick up with ot the approval of a central government.

[@civilengineer3349]

@@mjbull5156 The Mughal Padishah gave the EIC the right to rent some of his land to build trade posts on. That is a model for treating a merchant company.

[@mjbull5156]

@@civilengineer3349 It was when the EIC receivedd the authority to collect taxes as if they were a vassal lord.

[@Halinn]

Looking forwards to Extra Prehistory

[@ecurewitz]

Dinosaurs! RAWR!!!!

[@shawnheatherly]

The frankness on errors is as always appreciated.

[@TotalCowage]

Oh thank goodness, no more Armchair. It's not that the Armchair concept is bad; it's not even that opposing arguments being dismissed is bad; it's that he's so irritating a character and obvious a straw-man (straw stuffed chair?) that he's both patronizing and annoying to the audience. Better to have these questions asked in Lies, rather than slow down the episode's own argument and themes whilst going "Nyahh nyahh nyahhhh" at people.

[@stormboss57]

I frequently wish your videos where longer and more through. I wait for multiple entries in a series to be released before I watch.

[@Henners1991]

07:40 - I'm sorry but saying Scotland was "conquered" is not only a gross oversimplification but also underplays the role Scots played in the later governance of the British Empire. Just dismissing Scotland as some conquest of England arguably serves to just give them a free pass at culpability for events that their own leaders would later play a part in. The relationship between Scotland and England was, of course, not an equitable one or quite equal, but they certainly had a privileged position over peoples more directly conquered (like the Welsh) or the Irish (about whom it'd be much more accurate to describe their Act of Union as a "conquest"). You don't see nearly as many Irish/Welsh politicians or leaders assuming positions of power in the British Empire as you do Scots.

[@morewi]

They have good PR and the "correct" politics so people tend to over look the scots role and the role of the Irish

[@mikeg2306]

The Scots actually wanted Union for economic reasons. The English of course wanted it to keep the Jacobites from seizing the throne of Scotland after Anne’s death.

[@Ekevoo]

Sounds like this series needed like at least two more episodes

[@IronFatherJohn]

Is there going to be more "long formats"? Personally I love both the Justinian and the Suleiman series but you've moved away from those 5+ episode series

[@theoutlook55]

Nice video. I love this in depth look

[@userhandle-l]

I would love to watch a long format series about this topic with the missed details and relevant topics that couldn't be covered here.

[@EllpaFox47]

“History! More crossovers than the MCU! Though it’s been around longer” -I forgot which EH series that came from D:

[@a.d.malcolmson3759]

That was wonderful. I'm actually a little surprised this was under 30 minutes, but I suppose having an entire special episode on Nebula of Tipu Sultan made it a bit easier. Looking forward to next week!

[@ZubairKhan-vs8fe]

Please do a 12 episode series. This is very interesting. Also upload all the stuff that you cut out of this series.

[@Thescott16]

Fascinating. But I just want to say, Congratulations on the new little one!

[@frankbrune3101]

It's really interisting to get to know how the 'lies' make it into a story. And all the things you mentioned make a good starting point for individuel further reserach. Also thanks for the reading recomendation

[@spoddie]

In many countries a visit to MacDonalds is fascinating to see how it's different.

[@whymedk]

Lies is always the best part of the series

[@DanielGalimidi]

Glad to know Army the Armchair won't be a regular thing. They were an extremely annoying character and not annoying in a lovable way.

[@coolafman]

I agree. There are better ways to exhibit opposing views and opinions. An attempt was made; personally, unappreciated.

[@petermann673]

So glad. They were incredibly irksome and very condescending. I get that they were going for a socratic dialogue-ish presentation but instead it came off as infantilized strawmaning.

[@fareezamanzur-abdulmajid278]

BUT I LIKE ARMY THE ARMCHAIR!!

[@mastermavrick]

Can't wait for the upcoming series. But I have to say... the history of BEER will be interesting, I have heard that the history of alcohol is the history of agricultural process. I wonder how true that is.

[@Overlord_Marishka]

Very much so. Most cultures created alchohol pretty early on as well as multiple preservation methods.

[@ratanlalbhattacharjee1125]

You should really do a series on the Maratha Empire (Confederacy)...

[@lead_downpour8854]

I'm so excited for the next series, it's a topic I'm fascinated by but I feel goes severely underdiscussed. Especially because of how relevant it is to understanding present day Japan.

[@Kill3rballoon]

Gotta say, glad Armie isn’t going to be a regular thing. He has pretty bad Scrappy Doo energy.

[@DuranmanX]

I'd love to see a one-parter on Orientalism next

[@MariaVosa]

I really really want you to do a video on Orientalism, the part you had to cut - perhaps as an extra on Nebula? This is a very important concept but few people actually understand what it means. And while you're at it, a video on tha fallacies of the "Guns, Germs and Steele" explanation of historical events... Stellar series on the conquest of India, amazing what you managed to cram into these short episodes. I hope it inspires people to read more.

[@AM-tu1rc]

Definitely do a series regarding Indian independence at some point!

[@Windona]

On the fact about terraforming, it's also interesting to see how European style farming and other habits accidentally changed the landscape. My stepdad is a local historian, and mentioned how in the early colonial era a local river used to be deep enough that boats would sail up to towns where the river is now too shallow and silty for a one person boat. Apparently colonial style farming was like 'strip mining' the land and ended up creating a lot of runoff that changed the river over the centuries.

[@battlez9577]

Well yeah, chop down forest or jungle, make river run off so it irrigates, huzza you now have a plantation to grow various crops from

[@abcdef27669]

Independence of Brazil and History of Beer, one after another? Now we are talking!

[@eduardogutierrez4698]

Brazil and India have a lot in common. Both countries are huge. India is the biggest and most populated country in the Indian sub continent just like Brazil in South America, which is also a subcontinent. Both countries have similar issues (corruption, poverty, etc) and if you turned Brazil's map 90 degrees, it'd be quite similar to that of India

[@abcdef27669]

The greatest difference is how each country see their cows...

[@cassianoneto1553]

That’s the whole pitch behind BRICS, the strongest regional powers of the non-western world having a forum for cooperation.

[@nzx.]

@@cassianoneto1553 Good point, almost forgot BRICS.

[@yishaqdavid2029]

INdia is the only country in the India subcontinent. WHat Nepal, Bhutan?

[@crushermach3263]

South America is not a sub-continent.

[@MEsiex]

While I don't mind Army, I have to wonder if by cutting it out could you squeeze some more material into the episodes?

[@booksforeveryone8728]

Video starts in 3:18 (Ur welcome).

[@Osric24]

Message I'm getting from this Lies: the episodes need to be 15 or 20 minutes rather than ten.

[@Merennulli]

Hope you turn the cut orientalism material into a one-off. That sounds interesting and it's of course still very relevant.

[@TheNaminagul]

Can't wait for the beer series

[@mustafahussain1638]

I think you could have gone into the double crossing of Mir jafar against siraj ud daula with robert clive at battle of Plassey, instead of just saying the better army won the battle.

[@xudacteq2720]

Good i will love it

[@durindor3281]

I Don't get the Problem why there can't be more Episodes about one Theme.. 🙈

[@zacharyclark3693]

It would be cool to do an episode responding to Guns, Germs, and Steel (what it gets right and criticisms, etc).

[@thecreativecontessa]

We accidentally found those Colonial cemeteries in Hong Kong when climbing up to Dragon Ridge for a hike. It was quite an impressive sight, and not something I expected to encounter on a hike up a mountain

[@Lablass-]

Hears "History of Beer". My brain: Time to get out my old history book about beer and spirits. I can't wait for that series. One of my favorite college class was a elective that I took called the History of Beer, Spirits and the People who make Liquor. It was taught by one of my favorite chemistry professors who made the class tones of fun. I actually ended up taking his Food Science/History and Fermentation classes as well. Which is how I ended up with a History minor looped in with my Chemistry degree.

[@Nostripe361]

Wonder if you will talk about prohibition in the beer series or could that be its own series. Also about your side trip thing at the end, I saw a theory that those diseases might be one of the reasons that places like Indonesia or the Indo-China region below China never saw an expansionist power form from the cultures there.

[@sebastiantrensen7431]

I would be very interested in a one-off about the battle of Plassey

[@libshastra]

Indian history textbooks are pretty terrible. We spent several years talking about Gandhi's satyagraha and the rest of Colonial India was relegated to footnotes. Maratha confederacy is not mentioned at all. Mangal Pandey and the entire pork cartridges are treated as fact rather than a singular event in a larger set of events. We never understood the resentment that was built up. This series along with Kings and Generals and other history channels are helping us Indians rediscover add understand history in it's wider context. P.S.: A lot of Indians don't know their post independence history either. We never learnt anything about it either

[@m.majaaz8464]

Please add William Dalrymple to your list of must-reads. His research on the White Mughals was groundbreaking, later duly followed by The Anarchy, also very insightful and meticulously researched

[@tentathesane8032]

+1 The Anarchy is one of my favorite books on modern Indian history

[@bluespaceman7937]

Good information.

[@stephaniecheng8111]

Tiny bit sad that Happy Valley got highlighted by the mosquito thing. It's one of the nicest areas in hk now!

[@nathanielzarny1176]

The solution seems to be for all of these: MAKE LONGER VIDEOS!!!

[@connor4955]

Totally agree with the Battle of Plassey. Another story of EIC using money to win. at Buxar the Indian force only took 15% losses from the battle before losing and I’m curious as to what happened during that fight.

[@winterroll5255]

I loved the idea of that common arguments one. The writer made a really nuanced arguments. Loved this series of ExtraHistory by far!

[@TheCreepypro]

a shame so much got cut maybe in the future we can do a follow up series

[@AlokAwasthii]

What is that statue on the right ? I can't seem to find...

[@joshuaevans6295]

Further Reading: The Anarchy by William Dalrymple

[@LoyalHistoryBuff]

‘King of Portugal essentially fleeing Napoleon’ Technically it’s queen as Maria I of Portugal was monarch when that happened. If you talk about João VI, he was just a regent for his mother from 1792 to 1816, when he actually became King of Portugal after Maria I died while they were in Brazil

[@UtahSustainGardening]

I would love to see a one off on Orientalism.

[@SheIIdon]

congrats on the baby, man in video

[@mjbull5156]

So upcoming serieswe may have an answer to whether Charlie Mops was an Admiral, a Sultan or a King.

[@Radicalist-Manifesto]

Please do a series on the never ending archaeological-genetical-religious-cultural-political debate in India (and now many other places as well) on the Aryan invasion theory versus the Indian Origin Theory.

[@thatindiandude4602]

They wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. Too many ethno-religious tensions will be riled up with that one.

[@Aiasmor]

Yes please on the one-off on Mir Jafar! And the Anglo-Sikh Wars!

[@TheWebsOfCorruptionNeverFail]

12:00 Yes! Please make a one off on the Tragedy of Mir'jaffar.

[@joycecochran9255]

You did not mention the British suppression of the Thugee. The Thugee were a considerable menace to travel and commerce in India.

[@ethannaftalin2395]

If I already have Curiosity, can I access Nebula or do I need a new account/subscription? Been trying to get this answered for months...

[@manasjain2034]

The prohibition on beef happened pretty recently in about 2014-2015.

[@godminnette2]

I think the narrator must have messed up if the script said 1690. He hard pronounced that n. Definitely said 1619! Not on the animators.

[@AngryPict]

Another excellent book on the period: The Anarchy, by William Dalrymple.

[@mikeg2306]

A series on Jacobitism from 1688 to 1745 would be really awesome! Or even one on the English Civil War, although that might be too much for one series but it could be broken up like was done with Japan.

[@constantinethegreat7385]

Could ya'll make a series about the marathas

[@foozballguy]

Maratha Confederacy not Martha lol

[@charlespfaff6585]

What would be YOUR list of Histories Most Important Battles. BEER!? Can't wait.

[@yj9032]

Another recommended reading: Inglorious Empire by Sashi Tharoor.

[@frodothehobo9581]

I would have watched a 12 episode series

[@aitoriri1]

I'm hyped for Brasil. But the history of BEER, oh mama

[@wood0465]

I have to laugh at the way you said that some people liked Army. Your tone suggests that the listener might not believe you. You are correct. It isn't very believable. To be clear I love absolutely everything else you do. Thank you so much.

[@ithelightinthedarki]

Another thing I noticed was that India was portrayed as the country of India rather than the subcontinent that the British raj had control over which included modern Bangladesh and Pakistan and extended further out too, this is especially seen in Ep 4 & 5 but was accurately depicted in the first map funnily enough. I understand the artists probably didn’t realize this and used a map of the country bc that’s simple enough, but it does erase the rich history of the Bengal region and it’s importance during this era. The *East India* company has East India in it’s name for a reason lol

[@TadeuszCantwell]

Army the armchair was fine as a vehicle at the start but the act of contrition at the end felt hollow.

[@breaderikthegreat3224]

I would like a Series about Austria-Hungary after WWI. You know, like the Ottoman Empire 1. Episode:Austria-Hungary becomes weak and unstable 2. Episode:WWI and Revolts 3-5. Episode:End of the Empire, Communist Hungary, Romania-Hungary war, creation of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, France offering Hungary Carpato-Ruthenia, Saint-Germain-en-Laye and Trianon

[@cassianoneto1553]

A month from now, we’ll all be going to Brazil.

[@smalltime0]

My grandmother got convinced that the white palace of Bengal, was the where the black hole of Calcutta happened, from her Grandmother. She thought the "hotel" wasn't convincing.

[@alexy590]

You guys oversimplified the Scottish stuff way too much. In general I'm seeing an increasing amount of bad history surrounding Scotland everywhere. Would be neat if you did a series on something from Scottish history. Maybe William Wallace? That awful braveheart movie influenced so many misconceptions on that period that persist to this day. People really shouldn't learn history from movies, shows, videogames but sadly many do.

[@samkeller3325]

How does this video have 48 views in 39 seconds? That’s amazing! Good for you guys, Extra Credits!

[@cennethadameveson3715]

It should be pointed out the the British Raj only displaced another foreign imperialist power in the form of the Moguls who had supplanted indigenous rulers and customs in a far more rigorous military conquest some centuries earlier.

[@battlez9577]

Along with northern India being ruled by foreign Muslims since the ghaznavids in the 11th century, so foreign subjugation of india was far more norm than indians would have you think

[@Andrew-ob5ij]

The happy valley racetrack is only used by the rich of hk and the rich foreigners

[@Olivalt]

Hello there

[@LordSurfusa]

I recommend Dan Carlin’s Supernova in the East for Japanese culture before and during ww2

[@AdriLeemput]

"how do you fill 5 episodes on beer?" You just name every Belgian beer that has been made in a random year....

[@pedrocruz-ds6bj]

Aaaaaa uma serie do brasil, mt foda

[@WarlordWulf]

Empire of brazil hype!

[@towrofterra]

Thank god Army's never coming back

[@Ilichburger]

As a Hongkonger you should do a topic about the story of coolies in Peru. As a Peruvian the cantonese influence is veeery present and I was surprised how Peru was present in Hong Kong museums

[@bluespaceman7937]

Interesting.

[@madisons2117]

I keep trying to go through all the videos chronologically but there are parts that break my brain. I do not think the second part of the OK corral occured before Henry Ford, while part one of the OK corral happened after. Doc Holliday will always be my huckleberry, but I doubt he travelled time that smoothly. If that's placed incorrectly, then the entire playlist comes into question, and I need to do a bunch of research to ensure I am watching events as chronologically as possible. Only because that is how you told me to categorize this. I was under the impression that this was an option I was allowed, and it seems to be the most fitting way to learn history. but if it's not chronological, then what is up? what is down? what separates day from night? truth from lie? How do I know my history from a hole in the ground if the most basic of structure can't be trusted? I did not ask for a chronological list, but on being offered one I was disheartened to find it to be more bait for my click.