Core i9-11900K Overclocked to 5500 MHz With Z590 Aorus Tachyon | SkatterBencher #21

[@MrFoxRox]

Great video. The best part starts at 25:35 and you're totally speaking my language, bro.

[@SkatterBencher]

Thanks, nice to hear I'm not the only one with this idea about power limits :)

[@MrFoxRox]

@@SkatterBencher you are definitely not alone, my friend. Power limits are for sissies and girly-men. CPUs and GPUs should run wild and free.

[@asdkj-gl2mq]

finally some useful meaningful stuffs provided by some kind dude. subscribed!

[@SkatterBencher]

Thanks for the kind words!

[@Svyat3027]

i bought myself an i9 11900kf instead of an i5 10400f and faced many problems. Overheating, throttling and the like, but thanks to this video I was able to adjust the processor, now instead of 300+ watts it consumes 230-240 watts and the purity in games has increased (where AVX is not used) from 4.7 to 4.9-5.1 . Thanks for this video

[@mongopoju]

Amazing work! Best information on the 11th gen intel cpus

[@SkatterBencher]

Thanks! Appreciate the kind words :)

[@jlgroovetek]

Wow this is truly a high quality video. This is the way overclocking should be done and explained. Fixed/static OC, disabled C states, etc. is not how modern OC should be done. At least not for machines that are used for purposes other than pure synthetic benchmarks. Subscribed.

[@SkatterBencher]

Thanks! I totally agree: dynamic OC is the way to go!

[@jlgroovetek]

@@SkatterBencher I have been frustrated with Gigabyte's implementation of ring ratio affecting the VID/vcore with Adaptive Vcore under AVX loads. For example, if I run above 41x ring ratio, the AVX load vcore goes higher and higher. Similarly, the AVX512 guardband voltage seems to be additive on top of the AVX guardband voltage; i.e. they are not independent of each other. Any suggestions on these limitations? It makes it impossible to tune AVX/AVX2 and AVX512 load vcore.

[@SkatterBencher]

Ring ratio will always interact with CPU voltage because the CPU cores and Ring share the same voltage rail (VccIA). That's by Intel design. The VccIA behavior on RKL is quite similar to ADL, so you might have a look at the Alder Lake V/F Curve in depth video where I explain how it could be possible that the Ring ratio pushes the CPU core voltage up. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5W6iZV8fJmGn9k. In short: both the CPU cores and the Ring have their own voltage-frequency curve. For any ratio below the maximum turbo ratio, the voltage is set using that factory-fused curve. If I remember correctly, on the 11900K the Ring goes all the way up to 43X, the voltage for let's say 42X is following that curve. Since the voltage rail, VccIA, is shared between the cores and the ring, the voltage set for the VccIA is the highest amount all requested voltages. The Rocket Lake Ring is notorious for the high Ring voltage it needs. So if you're manually overclocking the Ring, it's not impossible that the voltage requested by the Ring is higher than the voltage requested by the CPU cores. This is the kind of behavior you'd spot with AVX workloads like you're describing (where voltage is kept high to support high Ring frequency). My suggestion would be to drop the Ring ratio and first work out the maximum CPU stable configuration. Once you have your CPU configuration, then increase the Ring to the point where it doesn't require more voltage than your CPU cores. As for AVX guardband: AVX512 guardband is indeed added on top of the AVX guardband skatterbencher.com/2021/03/30/rocket-lake-overclocking-whats-new/#AVX_Voltage_Guard-band_Override

[@jlgroovetek]

@@SkatterBencher You are an absolute champion. Thank you for the detailed response and confirming some of these concepts. Ultimately I think my stability testing using OCCT, Small data set, Steady + Extreme load, and AVX2 is a worst-case scenario kind of test that is unlikely to be encountered during real world use. The result is that I've ended up with a fairly significant AVX (AVX2) offset, dropping to 4.8-4.9ghz across the cores @ 1.26v die-sense, which still runs hot (>90°C). SSE load runs at 5.2ghz all-core @ 1.37v die-sense, and remains below 80°C. Strangely, AVX512 test using the same settings (and same voltage) doesn't run quite as hot, despite what we was published via media outlets during RKL launch.

[@claylomax]

Awesome video. I was waiting for it.

[@SkatterBencher]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@RelentlessRage]

Finally, sensible information, not stock tests Thanks for the video, man!

[@SkatterBencher]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ericmafl2847]

Thanks for posting; if you're able to post an 11th Gen OC using a Z490 board, preferably Gigabyte, that would be amazing. There are all sorts of stability issues with BIOS boot looping, etc., at least in the Gigabyte realm. It's a mess.

[@papasmurf5598]

Great Video, I have the Z590 Master paired with the 11900k. Great Overclocking board also. I also put a 10900k in this board and it did very well.

[@alienproductions9948]

I have the Z590 Master too, but with the 11700k. Would you happen to know where I could get a guide to overclocking it?

[@Producnation]

I would also like to know. Thanks

[@sagerdood]

Excellent video as well, cool to see some of those older giga oc boards and the history.

[@doofesnator4913]

Your everywhere mr joe

[@sagerdood]

@@doofesnator4913 you as well ;)

[@doofesnator4913]

Do you have a 11900k yet or your not getting one?

[@sagerdood]

@@doofesnator4913 i have one yes. Just not using it yet, not to thrilled with what im seeing yet. May sell it

[@doofesnator4913]

@@sagerdood I actually can’t even do 5ghz even with 1.35v. I have looked at other people and they are the exact same. They need 1.45v for 5.2 to 5.3

[@cstkl1]

awesome videos lately...

[@SkatterBencher]

Glad you think so!

[@cstkl1]

@@SkatterBencher bro its like nowadays ppl ask question. link to your vid. you and hardware-numbers dude put in alot of work

[@GregorysBrain]

Great video dude!

[@SkatterBencher]

Thanks for the kind words!

[@TooliusTech]

Lovely video bro :D

[@SkatterBencher]

Thanks 😁

[@Falkentyne07]

Excellent Video!

[@SkatterBencher]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@techprofile3282]

Thx, for this great video.

[@SkatterBencher]

Thanks for the positive vibes

[@j340_official]

Under your adaptive voltage mode, How did you ensure that the bios didn’t set voltages TOO high? I’ve tried adaptive voltage mode before and the default voltages were EXTREME and completely unnecessary for stability. Was it possible to lower the voltage and still get the same overclock? Also, did any of the recent bios updates and microcode updates change how the chip performed both in benchmarks, as well as overclocking/voltages needed for stability? Finally, I noticed you didn’t talk about load line calibration, but you did in the video with the msi mobo. What is the appropriate load line in gigabyte motherboards for rocket lake, or is it best to leave it at auto settings? For comet lake, high and turbo load lines proved to be most stable if you were overclocking, sometimes turbo would work better, albeit at the expense of using higher voltages under load.

[@SkatterBencher]

Great questions! 1) When using adaptive voltage, what actually happens is that the voltage for all ratios below the default maximum turbo ratio follow the factory-fused V/f curve. For the 11900K that's up to 53X-1=52X. The adaptive voltage I set in the BIOS is the voltage I need for the highest frequency. In this case: 55X for 1 core. For the ratios between 55X and 52X, the effective voltage is interpolated between the factory-fused voltage for 52X and the adaptive voltage set for 55X. So, long story short: too high voltage is not something that I'm concerned with. For all ratios up to 52X I just follow what Intel fused on the chip. For ratios 53X to 55X, my main concern is temperature. Before the voltage is "too extreme", it will be too high for sustainable temperatures. That said, it's possible that the factory-fused voltage can be lowered with manual tuning. 2) I tested this board about a month ago and didn't find the courage to go through all the testing again with new microcode. So I can't comment on the performance and/or overclocking difference across the different versions. I'm sure there will be some other people who'll look into that Actually, I think the biggest impact for my type of video would be to enable Intel ABT. Maybe in a future video. 3) Generally speaking I try to avoid talking about load line calibration as I think it's too advanced of a topic to include in an overclocking guide. For most of my overclocks I leave it at default as motherboards nowadays automatically adjust the load line when overclocking. One exception for manually choosing load line would be when I want some kind of control over the interpolated adaptive voltage. For example, if I need an excessively high voltage for the max single core ratio compared to the all-core ratio AND both are higher than the default max turbo ratio. Then I might want to set a lower load line to increase the drop in voltage from 1 core ratio to all core ratio. On the Maximus XIII Apex there's a function called Vlatch that can help you identify the optimal LLC. I covered it in another video kzbin.info/www/bejne/larSgn2HhLtop8U. You'll see why I generally leave this setting to auto :)

[@j340_official]

I love your videos. Very insightful. Stuff not contained in any mobo manual. Keep ‘em coming.

[@SkatterBencher]

Thanks for the kind words!

[@sabishiihito]

Finally got mine today (6/21/21)!!

[@alcaeo]

@SkatterBencher Give this man a cookie. This does yield quite some performance increase, however, on the Asus Maximus XIII Hero you will need to use the - sign on the offsets. Firtst time trying this method out I was impressed and got quite a bit performance increase, but there is a but here; the CPU Vcore peaks at 1.625V, which apprently isn't as bad for thermals as you would think, but god damn, having the CPU boost Vcore upwards to 1.625 under single core load is pretty scary, so I will be trying this out again editng the VF offsets signs to - and see how far down I can go and still maintain stability. Note: You should have used 5.2 GHz all-core clock as reference. That is what I think is the most common and easy to obtain all-core OC. You don't by chance have a spreadsheet or document showing the increase compared to that? :)

[@CanVerniy]

So ive got an Msi z590 ace, and ive been alternating between your 11700k oc and this video to try and figure out how to do by core OC because of the different mobo bioses. Im using an 11900K that might not be well binned, but if im correct, all i need to do is Ratio Apply Mode to Turbo Ratio and set my core ratios from highest to lowest from top to bottom depending on whether my chip/cooler can handle it? Vcore on auto with adaptive voltage kicked up my vcore to 1.416V on (starting from 1 core ratio limit): 55 54 52 52 51 51 51 51. Is there a need to set a manual voltage doing that? I might be missing something from your videos about v/f curves and how adaptive voltage works. I believe you only explained that adaptive follows intel’s factory curve set on the current chip up to the highest official boost ratio, so 53 or 48. What happens when using adaptive on auto and going above that? Does setting a manual voltage just increase the max voltage range/headroom or does the mobo extrapolate the curve itself according to the clockspeeds set? Edit: moved on from turbo ratio since it sets that single core ratio to any core and not favored cores. I cant seem to set “favored core” when selecting per core mode either, so every core is listed #1 of 8. Tried per core instead, cant seem to get even 46x6 52x2 stable unless i have 1.470V LLC3, where it ends up 1.474V min, 1.480V max, thermal throttles for atleast 1 or 2 cores, and is ~300 points worse than stock on cb20 MT. Im also using the Nh-d15. 51x8 at 1.400V (1.404 - 1.410) passed cb20 with +~300 points on MT. Was i doing something wrong with per core OC?

[@lazaroszafeiriou7927]

Great content! can you please make a video for detailed overclocking settings on 11900k on Maximus Xiii hero?

[@SkatterBencher]

My next video will be the 11600K + Hero. I'll see if I have time to revisit 11900K with the Hero ...

[@Captain_Barrels]

11900k on maximus would be awesome man. If you have time

[@sagerdood]

@@SkatterBencher id love to see the hero vid.. its a great board

[@suntzu1409]

@@SkatterBencher yes please if you have time please do it.

[@truthseeker6884]

Do you recommend doing this for gaming? Right now I am at 5.2GHz All Core, will this method give me more FPS? I mostly play Battlefield V, Warzone and Valorant.

[@SkatterBencher]

I can't guarantee the performance increase since I haven't tested those games, but as you can see at 23:50 after overclocking I see performance gains ranging from 5% to 35%.

[@Metalhead-4life]

I wish you would explain what some of these overclocking setting do rather than just tell us what to set it to. Got my 11900k & 13 hero sitting here to swap from kaby lake tomorrow

[@stevek5395]

Thanks for such a thorough breakdown. Are there any other coolers you would recommend outside of your EK Quantum? (something less expensive)

[@SkatterBencher]

For the 11900K, if you're not going for custom loop water cooling, I would suggest any of the high-end AIOs. I can't make any specific recommendations as I've been using only custom loop for the past year or so, haha :)

[@stevek5395]

@@SkatterBencher hopefully this doesn’t offend...but have you tried Intel’s Performance Maximizer with this same setup? I found that it couldn’t do anymore than the optimized defaults on the motherboard.

[@SkatterBencher]

Hah, I'm not offended! Any new idea to improve my overclocking methodology is always welcome :) I have not yet tried the Performance Maximizer software. I'll have to give it a shot some time ... :)

[@charleyweinhardt]

Dear Skatter, for the life of me I can't find the right guide for an all core 5.2 overclock for my 10850 k on my z490 aorus Pro. Back when these parts came out I had it so the CPU would idle at 800 MHz on all cores using a browser with KZbin playing 4K videos and other stuff. Then in game games all CPU cores would go to 5.2. I did this rather easily but I pushed it to 5.3 which worked for a while but stupidly I lost my settings when it fell during some serious gaming on a hot summer day without AC in a congested room. I'm basically in a test bench setup with a copper lid on the CPU with silver paste and a 280 mm Arctic cooler 👍. Could you help me out? I would really appreciate it! Can I just plug in everything you do at 19:00 in this video? Right now I'm sitting at all cores 5.2 all the time not sure I did it in the right way... what you got here seems better I think I can do the Adaptive 5.3- 5.1 scenario I'm in a cooler situation and it worked for a while before at all core 5.3. What you got right here seems to be the best! I can't manually set the turbo ratios...

[@dannymiester5825]

Wow, so many youtube videos where people saying this cpu is rubbish. This cpu is a gaming monster

[@SkatterBencher]

The performance you can already gain by simply unleashing the turbo boost is pretty impressive!

[@morphtv7160]

Nice video, how did you determine your best performing favoured core or the two?

[@SkatterBencher]

I configured the by core usage to 55X for 1 active core. Then I set the Per Core Ratio Limit to 55X for one core and 54X for the other core. Then I checked stability in the OS with Cinebench and Prime95 non-AVX. While one core would crash, the other didn't.

[@morphtv7160]

@@SkatterBencher ah okay fair enough :)

[@MannyM12]

Awesome Vid

[@maxoo._]

Hope you will get the ASRock Z590 OC⚡ Formula soon !!

[@SkatterBencher]

Haha ... we'll see ... :)

[@maxoo._]

@@SkatterBencherI just hope a partnership between you and ASRock for at least the Z590 lineup ! 🙏

[@alienproductions9948]

Great video. Where can I find the numbers to use the By Core method to overclock my 11700K with Aorus Master MOBO? I am somewhat a beginner and I switched from MSI to Gigabyte MOBO, but miss the simplicity of MSI's Turbo Ratio Offset. The By Core Method you described looks to be the same result as MSI's Turbo Ratio Offset. I just don't know where to find the values for 11700k. Thanks in advance!

[@HIMBERNUUB]

A New Version off Intel® Cryo Cooling Technology its Release and Support 11900k, I hope you take a test with it :)

[@SkatterBencher]

Oh I didn't know a new software version was out! Thanks for the heads up! Originally I had planned Cryo + 11900K + Apex as my launch video, but I didn't get the software in time. I will definitely revisit Cryo + Rocket Lake in the future.

[@HIMBERNUUB]

@@SkatterBencher Can it be that the software is now also activated for older Intel generation? With earlier versions he always said immediately when installing the software that the system was not compatible, now with the new version he says I should connect the Cryo Cooler to USB and power. ( i have a 9900k )

[@SkatterBencher]

I heard a rumor that Intel would also enable it (well, "un-disable") for older platforms, so I guess it's possible. Nice find!

[@HIMBERNUUB]

@@SkatterBencher Do you have the opportunity to test it for sure that it would also work with an 8700k / 9900k?

[@SkatterBencher]

Oof, I should check if I still have those CPUs somewhere in the attic. I don't think I do though ...

[@bullrunhunter6489]

I have the Aorus z590 ultra and out of box gaming profile the cpu runs at 4.9ghz and the memory easily clocked to 3200mhz. Changed some settings and it’s running at 5.1ghz stable. The cpu is also water cooled.

[@BloodshedPanda]

Hey Scatterbencher would this guide be the same for my Z590 aorus ultra ? Notes : by core usage at 17:33 traditional 15:19

[@lostalx]

Great video and definitely agree on the 125W and Stock PL1 and PL2 nonsense most of the youtubers mention why not get the full clock speed on all cores instead chasitze it to a puny throttling power limit... I have a few questions one is can I use this motherboard for a 10900K, I plan to use DH15S, Air cooling only and B-Die 4000MHz Elite C15 32GB DR kit, should that be okay on this motherboard ? Why not 11900K because it's very hot for air cooling and I need the higher 2C4T on the CML platform and run the DDR4 at max speed instead of IMC lottery on RKL. Second is I did not see the Vdroop / LLC offset, sorry I do not know anything about this BIOS but was thinking where did the Vdroop go. Z590 DARK is another board which is on my radar, unfortunately they hare having some sort of LED burn out issues which made me to look for this board. Thank you & Subbed, Amazing channel !!

[@EndLess1UP]

Thanks so much for making this content!

[@SkatterBencher]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@mikecicciari845]

At 20:50 you mention something about avx off saving like 20C on the cpu but when I go to the setting in the bios its called "AVX Disable" and the settings are disable and enable. Im totally confused by the double negative. Do I disable AVX disable or would that enable it? Brain too smooth for this 😅

[@SkatterBencher]

If I remember correctly, you have to "enable" the "disable setting" to disable AVX :). If you're not sure it was applied correctly, you can always open CPU-Z and check the Instructions segment. When AVX is disabled, it won't show any of the AVX instruction sets.

[@mikecicciari845]

@@SkatterBencher awesome thnx for the help :)

[@OpKadao]

Great video. Still unsure about upgrading from an 10900k... Anyway, I'd like to know how to find the best performing cores? On your video you show an excel sheet, is it by trial and error?

[@SkatterBencher]

To find the Turbo Boost 3.0 "favored cores" you can usually find them marked/highlighted in the BIOS. Also XTU will highlight those cores. If they're not marked in the BIOS, you can just run everything at stock and check with Hwinfo which cores are hitting the highest frequency. To find the best overclocking cores, it's mostly trial and error. The excel sheet I show in the video is the frequency for each additional active core, not the maximum frequency for a specific core. I explained the difference between "by core usage" and "per core OC" in another video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqGafKeEaNuCntU.

[@AntiZippo]

For my 9900k I used prime95 to check each core individually. Allowed me to reach 5.4 on my best core sadly it will still clock down to the lowest core in All core workloads.

[@willd284]

Great videos! Two questions: 1) why use RAM over 3600? Considering the IMC and gear 1 v 2. 2) Do you think there is any headroom to increase the cpu freq on 6-8 cores from 5.1 to 5.2?

[@SkatterBencher]

Thanks! 1) I use this DDR4-4266 kit for all my videos and I don't have anything else decent lying around. 1b) is there any good content on Gear 1 vs Gear 2 performance that you can recommend me to watch? I only tried it out before the launch and didn't really dig into it that much other than to check the overclocking headroom. 2) Maybe! It's not that easy to check the stability of multi-core (but not all-core) loads since the cores that get loaded are arbitrary. So it's possible that the combination of some cores is stable and the combination of other cores is unstable. Testing all the different combinations of cores would take a very long time.

[@willd284]

@@SkatterBencher itigic.com/ddr4-on-rocket-lake-s-gear-1-and-gear-2-mode-settings/

[@willd284]

@@SkatterBencher kzbin.info/www/bejne/rabZiWx9iJKthck

[@bigpinot8232]

Hey! Love the content thank you so much! What’s your voltage during the final overclocking? I followed this and it was at 1.6v... to stay under 1.4v I have to use a decently aggressive offset... is the intel spec ~1.45v safe?

[@SkatterBencher]

The Intel spec is safe as it's, well, the spec! I think the situation is now even more clear with Intel Adaptive Boost Technology. When ABT is enabled, Intel warrants having all cores run at the same time at the highest Turbo Boost frequency (with the required increased core voltage). So, whatever the voltage the CPU core needs to run 51X, Intel ABT will use it. The only question is whether your equipment (motherboard, cooling) is able to keep it cool enough :)

[@soheilbarati]

So I am having issues with my computer running too hot, around 90°C while playing CSGO which feels like waaay too hot for my pc specs. How should I change my bios settings if I want a very mild OC profile? I feel like my bios settings are overvolting my cpu for no good reason. Im running the i9 11900KF with a z590I aorus ultra, with a 2070 aorus. Im using the asus ROG strix 240 AIO cooler in a phanteks p400 case. I also have 16gb of 3200mhz corsair vengeance ddr4.

[@SkatterBencher]

The easiest way to keep temperatures in check is by changing the TjMax BIOS setting. Set it to whatever maximum temperature you want and the CPU will adjust the CPU frequency to stay within the temperature limit. You can also try undervolting to improve performance at lower temperatures

[@Luckyn00bOC]

Agree on that 'unlocking' power limit parts. I don't mind motherboard vendors doing it out of the box(even AMD PBO), as long as there's clear indication/status when the performance optimization is actually being done by the motherboard, and there is enough warnings/consideration should the user choose to turn it on - one menu screen options on the first boot after clear CMOS should be enough to make the users choose. (If 'stock' settings is what those reviewers want, I would assume running XMP beyond the stated memory controller spec is already out of spec from IMC perspective as well :p )

[@TheNiRho]

Would you say that the voltage required for a stable OC is higher than previous gens? I read something like that.

[@sagerdood]

I appears so. 1.5 ish

[@SkatterBencher]

Yes, it seems so. However, the default voltage also seems a little higher. So it's not like the higher voltage will impact lifespan. That said, I never really understood why people are so focused on the voltage. Both Intel Core and AMD Ryzen will hit over 1.45V when boosting within the default specification. Voltage itself isn't really a concern.

[@deidian635]

@@SkatterBencher It's running "high" voltages and high temperatures together what should be a concern. But people normally wants to be extra careful when giving OC advice, so for example saying voltages over 1.4V(pre-RKL) are high when air-cooling works for most people: not like they can actually cool it anyway on all-core. I think the idea with this kind of statements it's more easy, safe and fast advice instead of really trying to explain or understand the full picture. Also, Intel datasheet for RKL cites 1.72V as maximum acceptable(at ambient) instead of 1.52V usual. So yes RKL runs and stands higher voltages by design. Again the catch is if you can keep your CPU at a reasonable temperature under load, because "safe" voltage changes depending on which temperature the CPU runs at. Normally on ambient that max voltage levels are hardly cool able on all-core loads anyway: I'd be surprised in you don't mash against TJmax.

[@Boogeymanjw]

@@deidian635 where did u find the maximum voltage safe for rcl on ambient( i saw u said on the intel datasheet i cant see where in the data sheet dont know whether i am looking at the right data sheet or not)

[@deidian635]

@@Boogeymanjw You can't miss the correct data sheet: the datasheet page is linked from RKL CPUs specification pages: www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/processors/core/core-technical-resources.html Once you get to it "Volume 1", RKL PFs are on top. On the PDF go to "7. Electrical Specifications" using navigation function. I didn't said safe voltage though. I'm precisely against safe voltages: it's too complex. Pulled current, temperature and voltage interact together in funny ways in chip degradations: mostly exponential curves. When you get in danger zone it goes rapidly towards catastrophe if you keep pushing, but you never really know where you are sitting with available data. Also voltage increasing current draw and temperature makes it more complex and dangerous once you hit "red line". You cannot go around and just see voltage, it needs to be seen as a group: voltage, temperature and pulled current. Also knowing lower temperatures allow higher voltages and pulled current and higher have a detrimental effect on both.

[@TalonsTech]

Your content is top notch.

[@canberrano1widowmaker]

yea this dude can always get a processor that is able to overclock to a higher oc than many other youtubers, not sure who is/are non-stoppably providing him the best-of-the-best quality processors all these years... lol

[@SkatterBencher]

Thanks!

[@sundowner25]

I have an auros master with the 11900k, running on hardline water cooling. I want a gain in performance but I don't need to push it as hard as it can go. It's been a while since I've over clocked. Do you think doing the rocket lake method like in the video would be my best bet, or do you have a different recomendation.

[@SkatterBencher]

My suggestion for all recent Intel platforms is OC Strategy #3: Modern Approach. This allows you to maximize performance in a wide variety of workloads ranging from light single thread to heavy multi-thread. The Rocket Lake approach builds on the modern approach. You can increase the ratio for lightly threaded workloads usually by 1X as long as you restrict the weaker cores to not boost to the higher frequency.

[@sundowner25]

@@SkatterBencher thank you for the response. I have been benchmarking with the rocket lake approach, and that works well, except I am having an issue with the xmp profile. It caused my cpu benchmarks to be about 60 percent less. And also about 20 percent less in the gpu. When I disabled it it trys to run the 3600mhz chips at 2133. I noticed however when it was enabled it was trying to run them at 800mhz. That looks like it caused my bottleneck. I disabled it and then set the the speed to 3600mhz, which caused the screen on time spy to turn black with shadowy colors, freeze and cause the system to reboot. I dropped the speed to 3200mhz which seemed to help although it did do the weird freeze thing once so far. I am currently ocing the gpu, hoping the screen freeze dosn't continue. Not sure why but it dosn't seem to want to play nice.

[@ice_manz6721]

I have a Gigabyte z590 UD AC mobo. Do you think that these settings could be applied to it as well?

[@SkatterBencher]

The UD AC is one of the base models of the lineup. So while it is a Z-chipset board, I think it may be limited in overclocking range, especially for multithreaded heavy workloads.

[@ice_manz6721]

@@SkatterBencher thanks! i did try these setting out yesterday, benchmarked ok, but under heavy load (as suspected) it failed.

[@prexxzor]

Hello mate! Do you still have the Gigabyte Z590 UD AC? I got the same and I wanna know more about the best settings!

[@ice_manz6721]

@@prexxzor i replaced the board a few months ago to an Asus Z590 board. OC is much easier on the Asus

[@prexxzor]

@@ice_manz6721 awh oké. I still have the gigabyte z590 ud ac. Do you know some good tweaks for me?

[@TysonisCharles]

Anyone know why voltage shown in CPUID IS 1.4+ after setting an override voltage of 1.3 for 5.0 all core following the traditional method?

[@schwartzmatthewe]

THANK YOU!

[@doofesnator4913]

I actually can’t oc 11900k 5ghz even with 1.35v. From everywhere I have seen you need 1.45v for 5.2and is safe from what I’ve heard

[@TheNiRho]

Agreed, 1.3 seems low. Mine does 5.1 at 1.4 set 1.36 get.

[@doofesnator4913]

@@TheNiRho is it safe? I watched another video, he said 1.35v last gen is equal to 1.45v this gen

[@SkatterBencher]

You can always check what's the voltage for the default maximum turbo ratio to get a good idea of the acceptable voltage range. My results: 11900K -> 53X at ~ 1.48V 11700K -> 50X at ~ 1.38V 11600K -> 49X at ~ 1.45V So for the 11900K at 5.2G it's possible the factory-fused V/f curve is around 1.45V.

[@TheNiRho]

@@SkatterBencher seems reall high in comparison. But oh well. I got mine running @1.47 for 5.2. Don’t know if that’s good for daily use though...

[@sagerdood]

@@TheNiRho how is it? Are you a previous 10900k owner? Im debating throwing mine in

[@bmwforlife1051]

Will the itx bord from gigabyte allso hold those setting and frequencies up, or just instead of 5.5 will need to go 5.4 or 5.3 and down... or will it handle 5.1,5.2ghz all core, I will wery soon build otx build, am little tight with space... i can put full atx case but it wont look something good... will buy smaller cade and put on table... cooling not a problem for cpu... just curious about mobo...

[@SkatterBencher]

The main disadvantage of the ITX board is that usually the VRM solution is not as high-end as the full-size ATX boards and that the components are much closer together. So, in high-load scenarios it's likely that the VRM temperature will be quite high and thus limiting your OC. The settings itself won't really be the issue, just the thermal throttling I think. IMO, for ITX you may want a monoblock solution to keep the VRM cool.

[@Captain_Barrels]

Is it possible to overclock a 11900k the same way you did in the last part of the video on the asus maximus hero xiii

[@Troint]

Yeah

[@Captain_Barrels]

@@Troint yeah thanks I'm getting there

[@christopherjackson2157]

I love my z87 oc. Never getting rid of that one

[@n1kobg]

I completely agree on the unlocked Power Restrictions. I also noticed you use very conservative voltage. These chips has bigger cores & need & can handle more voltage. The entire platform is made that way. Delidding (liquid metal) drops the temperature more than other soldered CPUs exactly because of the wider cores & bigger surface area. VCCSA is by default around 1.6v & even though its high thats not early bios mistake (pls correct me if Im wrong). i think RocketLake VCCSA can use 1.5-1.6v for everyday use. Coffe lake also can handle higher voltage than 8th & 9th gen. I would like to see a more in-depth video with GearDown Mode because this is one of the strongest points of this architecture. ps. Its not strange that enthusiasts have good scores & talk positively about it while more mainstream tech youtubers compare apples to apples. Ofc 11900k is stupidly expensive.

[@FortuneSeek3rz]

So I did the Turbo ratio offset 1+ on my MSI Z590 Godlike. That gives me two cores loading at 5.4 GHz. Seems to be working well with a core voltage of 1.42. This is keeping the LLC on Auto, disabling v clipping and turning off adaptive boost. Now I'm curious if I can do +2 with another .15 volts.

[@SkatterBencher]

The core voltage is a fixed or adaptive voltage of 1.42v?

[@FortuneSeek3rz]

@@SkatterBencher Adaptive. I just bumped it up to 1.45 because I got a random watch dog error. It passed User Benchmark yesterday at 1.42v Incidentally, I noticed MSI posted some new Intel Z590 chipset drivers today on their support page for my motherboard. I'm going to download them and see if there are any noticeable differences in benchmarking.

[@Bl3s5in]

all of these big channels didn't overclock the 11900k or 11700k, only saw gn overclock the 11600k. It was very frustrating because it's an extremely expensive cpu, people who are willing to spend $600 on a chip aren't going to use it stock and I certainly would not. Also curious to see how far you can get the chip if you turn off half of the cores and overclock it as a 4c/4t and 4c/8t. The game I play show no benefits past 4c.

[@SkatterBencher]

I have videos coming for the 11700K (April 6) and 11600K (April 9), so stay tuned for that. If you use the modern approach to overclocking ("by core usage") then you should be able to max out the overclock for limited core use as well as maximum core use. While enabled cores will still consume some power and generate some heat when idle, the impact on the final overclock will be negligible. So I wouldn't expect to see much higher than the 5.2GHz for 4 cores I achieved with my settings kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3-5gXV-Zceah7c (yellow block for 4C)

[@bas3361]

How much vcore you drop by disabling ht? And also if possible can you tell how much vcore you can drop if you switch from lets say some mid/low end z490/z590 to tachyon? Dumb requests i know but maybe tantalum capacitors and 100 amp power stages do something magical like 0.30mv less for same chip xD

[@SkatterBencher]

Ooof, good questions. I didn't check the voltage without HT, but I believe the default V/f curve is not affected by HT on or off. So for ratios below 53X disabling HT shouldn't result in lower voltage. I'd need to check though. I didn't try this CPU on a different motherboard.

[@Mikeosooie]

Would this work with the GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS ELITE ?

[@light_senior]

I stick with my 10900k on my Z590 Aorus Ultra. Compared to 11900k, it's a beast.

[@stinkyty7508]

Hey I have a 11700k and a aorus z590 pro ax, I have been having so much confusion trying to get a proper cpu clock that doesn’t make my room insanely hot, please help

[@alienproductions9948]

The 11700k uses a lot of power, as I understand it. I have it too. I upgraded my power supply and that stopped the heating up. What PSU are you using?

[@minglee4207]

10th gen is better in my opinion so easy to oc and its not generating a 3080 in watts and heat and barely any fps difference

[@minglee4207]

compared to 11 gen

[@timmothyheroux]

@@minglee4207 Do you have a link to a page or video showing the OC settings for a 10600k?

[@frostybe3r]

If you have to overclock your new Intel CPU to match AMD at stock, you should return it.

[@godslayer1415]

AMD Stock - so OC'd from the factory?

[@Boogeymanjw]

u cant overclock shit on amd. its a junk on overclock ( i mean overclocking for gaming perf). intel shines only when overclocked like supra mark 4.

[@frostybe3r]

@@Boogeymanjw Oh? Is that why my 5950X at 4.8GHz is significantly faster in rendering than at stock? Also yeah, gaming has a very marginal performance increase but it's still higher than Intel's, we don't even need to overclock to be ahead of their garbage. ;)

[@thinkinges2497]

You actually have to, the unique way the Ryzen 9 can beat the Intel i9 11900k is using an overclock app for windows(ClockTuner) so you can get up to 5.0Ghz and get enough score to reach single-core performance of not OC Intel i9 11900K. I know you want to feel good for your purchase, but we don't care, we know how it is. 🤷

[@SatyajitBhuyan]

why did you set PL1 and PL2 both to 56 ?

[@mongopoju]

Is 1.5V safe for daily gaming?

[@SkatterBencher]

1.5V for few cores, not continuous, during light workloads, and properly cooled is no problem. (in fact, some CPUs have a factory-fused V/f curve with full warranty that goes up to 1.5V for the favored cores)

[@mongopoju]

@@SkatterBencher Thank you. You're the best in the industry!

[@J0HNWICK]

Did u use aircooling or watercooling?

[@SkatterBencher]

Custom loop water cooling: - www.ekwb.com/custom-loop/quantum-magnitude-cpu-block/ - www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-quantum-power-kit-d-rgb-p360

[@J0HNWICK]

@@SkatterBencher Thx.

[@mrrooster4876]

I can't figure out how you got this to be successful. I just upgraded to this cpu from the 10700k. I had the same set up aside from that. z590, 3090, Biggest Corsair AIO I could find, 5 internal fans, Seasonic 1000w, Corsair Vengence Pro 4x16 3200. No matter what settings i try for OC I can't post. My 10700k was running 5.1 across all cores no issues. Ram oc'd, no issues. I switch to this cpu, update all drivers and bios and doesn't matter. Engage XMP won't post. Leave ram alone and up settings you and others have given me to complete an OC and won't post....I'm lost and this is the first time in 30yrs I've been lost like this....

[@mrrooster4876]

Only default settings are stable...

[@SkatterBencher]

What motherboard are you using?

[@mrrooster4876]

@@SkatterBencher Z590P, I finally got something similar in settings to work but was volting up ridiculous 1.55-1.65 and my turbo was stating it was hitting 7.4mhz. I know that sounds crazy but every program I ran for monitoring would report these spikes. The final touch ended up being that this mem controller doesn't like 4 sticks of ram? Reduced to 2 sticks and everything worked like a charm and all voltage's magically corrected themselves. I'm back at 5.1 across all cores. No spikes in voltage or freq. This system is now running beautifully. Hitting 200fps in warzone with ray tracing off and shadows and tessellation turned down. Still max texture settings. So far I've been able to run everything I've thrown at it with stellar results. A lot of people talk bad on this processor and I was close to being one of them. Turns out it's just very fickle, definitely not for beginners. But it's a beast!

[@NorySS]

What the Heck man? I thought you were an ASUS SHILL only? I guess you gotta diversify your bonds. smart man.

[@SkatterBencher]

It's always fun to expand your horizons and try things you may be less familiar with!

[@bastordd]

This video should be called the waste of our time when watching gamers nexus 🤣🤣 Now speaking my opinion I can't understand how some people change default motherboard values and say is a stock review 😒😒 If "80%" people don't know how to O.C a cpu for sure that same amount of people don't know how to change cpu limits on motherboard thats why I only see O.C reviews and make my decisions. Good job man

[@SkatterBencher]

Cheers mate!

[@morphtv7160]

What would you say the safe range/max range of core vid voltages are for 24x7?

[@SkatterBencher]

Do you mean the safe range for Core VID or for Core Voltage? VID is what the CPU requests to the VRM in order to achieve a certain effective voltage. The requested VID can be higher or lower depending on the board VRM design. For example, for my 11900K during Turbo Boost: - Frequency range: 4.8GHz to 5.3 GHz - Vcore range: 1.199v to 1.510V (AVG: 1.296V) - VID range: 1.271v to 1.544V (AVG: 1.320V) Every core on 11900K has a factory-fused V/f point that sets >1.45V when applying the highest ratios. So, it's more likely you'll be limited by temperature due to increased power consumption when overclocking than you're limited by unsafe voltage. For all-core full load I think you'll find around 1.30-1.35V to be hitting the limits of stability.

[@morphtv7160]

@@SkatterBencher So after doing a similar overclock method to you with RKL approach based on core usage but with my twist: 1 core = 54x 2 core = 54x 3 core = 53x 4 core = 53x 5 core = 53x 6 core = 53x 7 core = 52x 8 core = 52x My core vid ranges are within my expectations and comfort of 1.38v idle to 1.44vmax and 1.26v on load vmin. However on idle now it looks like my "Vcore" has jumped up to 1.543v on idle. This all okay, admittedly it's set on auto but feels uncomfortably high. Running a Maximus XII Formula Z490 board with an uncore ratio of 45x and running with LLC 6. CPU SP85. From a cooling perspective, I 'm fortunate enough to have a custom loop consisting of 2x ekwb PE360 radiators. Thankyou.

[@pierredufour328]

Elo its look extremely complicated i have 2*8 go ripjaws 3600 mhz (i bought a 2*16 go but the memory have problem) + an Elite Ax gigabyte z590 . power supply 850 W + a 6950 Xt xfx. I just bought a water cooling 360 . the 11900 k can you make a video or give an eplanation about overclocking for me . without crazy overclocking .

[@pierredufour328]

is it possble to overble like that with an elite ax or i will burn everything ...

[@Squeezitgirdle]

Any chance of a walk through doing this on a z590 taichi with water cooling (aio)?

[@SkatterBencher]

Maybe in the future. I haven't touch an ASRock motherboard in a long time and usually stick with custom loop water cooling though

[@Squeezitgirdle]

@@SkatterBencher ahh thanks anyways. This is my first asrock board

[@stevesharpe1648]

Hi. Could I use the same settings for my 11900KF and Gigabyte Aorus Extreme Z590 ?

[@SkatterBencher]

The overclocking process will be very similar with the Aorus Extreme! Just watch out for perhaps some differently named settings (though I don't expect it) and of course your results will differ based on the CPU and cooling you're using.

[@stevesharpe1648]

@@SkatterBencher I'll give it a go. Thanks 😊

[@Metalhead-4life]

I agree, I'm so tired of hearing youtubers cry about MCE etc. I won't name any names but it starts with GN

[@pinoyprince26]

Gonna sit down with my ASUS prime z590 and see what happens…

[@yayantomcat]

Next video Aorus z590 xtreme 👍

[@SkatterBencher]

Next video will be 11600K + Maximus XIII Hero! :)

[@yayantomcat]

Okay 😅

[@sagerdood]

Im still not sure what i want to do with my 11900k. I have my 10900k in a z590 ocd with 11th gen just chillin. I really dont think its going to perform better. Maybe with time hopefully, asus is still under beta bios

[@gregscott8383]

Hi any advantages apart from future proofing having your i9-10900k in a z590 board?

[@sagerdood]

@@gregscott8383 no unfortunatly, it was better than the z490 i had so im using it for the time being.

[@sagerdood]

@@gregscott8383 i was hoping for more out of 11th gen but just not seeing it yet

[@bingbing3464]

I guess a lot of these tech-gurus who had difficulty overclocking the 11th gen actually dont know how to overclock these 11th gens.

[@SkatterBencher]

I don't think Rocket Lake overclocking is that difficult, but it does require decent cooling!

[@schwartzmatthewe]

I thought it worked but I kept getting crashes 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@SkatterBencher]

Ah too bad. Every system is different and overclocking mileage may vary!

[@schwartzmatthewe]

@@SkatterBencher I actually got it to work by increasing avx to 150. So 1.50. Tried 1.25 and then 1.5 did the charm. Thanks a lot for the video man. Best video on here by far. Thanks for your work and willingness to share.

[@skoopsro7656]

Comet lake successor. Not coffee lake

[@dh123ize]

Please do this with a msi motherboard

[@SkatterBencher]

I have a video out with the MSI MPG Z590 Carbon EK X and the Core i7-11700K kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmLdaZieiNCNn80

[@suntzu1409]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2O2eqWMlJlgmq8 Why dont you use external radiators? External radiators if used properly will give the best cooling. You can get Prime95 small FFTs at like 70-80 degree C (i did not try it; i am only guessing). Jay used 4 rads, but since we are ignoring gpu, you can get away with 2 rads also

[@SkatterBencher]

I'm using an Open Benchtable, so the radiator is also mounted "outside" the chassis :)

[@suntzu1409]

@@SkatterBencher consider using 480mm rads, if possible, even bigger rads. Bigger rads are better. If you have time and money, also consider getting multiple rads.

[@suntzu1409]

@@SkatterBencher bigger and multiple rads arent as complex and expensive as LN2 and still give much better cooling than AIOs or custom loops.

[@SkatterBencher]

The limiting factor of my system is not so much the lack of thermal capacity. The water temperature with radiator fans at low rpm is not much higher than at default. The limiting factor is transporting the heat from the chip to the radiator. Since it's not fast enough, the chip gets too hot and limits the overclock.

[@dh123ize]

I don't see how you can even get 5.5ghz I can get over 5.0 with enemax 240 AIO

[@r3drumg33k3]

The motherboard that they made less of than anything else this year......ofc it is the best.....

[@SkatterBencher]

I guess the best way to encourage Gigabyte to make more with the next generation is being vocal about it on social media! :)

[@dinos22]

You sound like Pan the organiser 😆

[@SkatterBencher]

I don't think I've ever met Pan, but they sound highly intelligent and are probably very handsome too 🤣

[@dinos22]

@@SkatterBencher defo got it allllll wrong 😂

[@dinos22]

@@SkatterBencher well done on this video, this is pure quality

[@CanaldoUltimate]

Hey,

[@leotheevinci]

With power consumption of a whopping 550 watts! (at 8 cores) 🤡

[@SkatterBencher]

Highest CPU package power I've seen is ~330W at 4.8GHz 1.268v in Prime 95 Small FFTs with AVX enabled. This is still lower than the 355W with 10850K at 5.0GHz 1.322v but higher than the 280W with 10700K at 5.0GHz with 1.376v. However, not quite 550W.

[@leotheevinci]

@@SkatterBencher But the title says 5500Mhz (5.5Ghz) right? Not 4.8Ghz? Most likely 5.5Ghz (5500Mhz) would consume 550 watts 🤣

[@SkatterBencher]

5.5 GHz is set only for the best of the 8 cores. The other cores are running at 5.1 to 5.4 GHz (non-AVX) and 4.8 GHz (AVX). So the power consumption will reach maximum around 330W when all cores are active and running a heavy multi-threaded AVX workload.

[@scottc2455]

The proper title of this video should be, "5.1 GHz all core with -5 AVX offset (-6 for AVX512)" = 4.6 GHz in anything with AVX; so most modern games. The guy seems to know his technical stuff, but then always spoils it with AVX offsets and silly voltages. I don't get it. Might as well set 4.6 GHz all core with much lower voltages, power, and temps. That's gimping the CPU, not overclocking it. Just because the highest core frequency set is a big number doesn't make it a good overclock.

[@SkatterBencher]

My settings maximize the performance in a wide range of workload scenarios, ranging from light single-threaded SSE to heavy multi-threaded AVX512. I don't see why I should sacrifice 900MHz of performance in the light single-threaded workloads by setting 4.6G all core? Even the default settings would boost it to 5.3GHz ... Also, note that the AVX offset behavior on Rocket Lake is different from previous architectures: kzbin.info/www/bejne/larSgn2HhLtop8U. So, in this case a -5 AVX offset will result in 50X for 1core, 49X for 2c, etc.

[@genergia]

This 11900K is a shit. Look at benchmarks. Better keep a 10900K, go to Ryzen 5000 or wait for 12thGen and Zen4.

[@SkatterBencher]

From an overclocking perspective, the 11900K is actually pretty exciting! :)

[@scottc2455]

With -5 AVX offset?

[@SkatterBencher]

I never thought I'd say this but even AVX offset is kinda interesting on Rocket Lake kzbin.info/www/bejne/larSgn2HhLtop8U

[@iRudx]

Amazing Video thx 🙏🏻

[@SkatterBencher]

Glad you liked it!