Could a GERMAN-Style EU Be the Future?

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[@WorkersPartyofAustralia]

Forgive me but this sounds like the Australian government.

[@4thElementGroupPolokwane]

5:50 TELL ME what Happens and Who Do you call When all 4x Levels of Authority are hijacked....And the courts are For Sale....Who keep's The chancellor/Prime Minister/President of that Country accountable cause they are no International Organization's or unions or UN who can do anything to them except for other presidents to issue Sanctions. #PeerPresure

[@theChaosKe]

The weird part about the joke is that the 3rd Reich was the only time that germany wasnt a federation. The federational system has a long tradition in the german countries going back to the times of the holy roman empire.

[@NotUnymous]

Naaaah. Thats just BS

[@TheRealKiRBEY]

@@NotUnymous 4/10

[@justinallen2408]

​@NotUnymous so you're not capable of reading?

[@kampfmuffin3535]

@@NotUnymous i mean he is kinda right. Ofc the HRE had no democracy but the many lords voted the emperor in. And later after Napoleon the german Feudal lords ruled inside the "Deutscher Bund" in a losely federated system. AAAND after a short period of Prussian shenanigans (skipping the Norddeutscher Bund), did germany unite 1871, without Austria under the Prussians. Inside the new "second" german empire the feudal lords still existed. The german empire was a lot more centralised than their historic counterparts but the individual territories still had a little bit of autonomy with the Bundesrat, under the Prussian political dominance inside the state. After that then came 1918 the weimar republik which worked similiarly like the German empire but with voted in leaders and a strong Bundespresident whom replaced the Kaiser as figurhead. Till a failed artist came to power :)

[@holgerschurig4430]

@@kampfmuffin3535 Not only that, but governing in the "Hanse" was also done kinda-federal and kinda-democratic. Kinda, because it was not a general public decision making. But the "Hanse" had "Hansetag" und "Regionaltage".

[@Sinraye89]

The only thing I would accept is for the EU to be reorganized into the first galactic empire, for a safe and secure society.

[@dariuswong9764]

And ursla von det leyon as Empress 😂😂

[@nene11123]

A Federal EU would be a stepping stone towards that goal!

[@the0ne809]

the first thing the EU needs to do is to get rid of unanimity. Good luck with that. Orban and a few others will never let go such power lol

[@conorstapleton3183]

*THUNDERING APPLAUS*

[@muffinmendy7327]

The first European Empire!!!

[@dansattah]

Also, in Germany, the Federal Constitution always supercedes the State Constitution. One notable case is the death penalty in the State Constitution of Hesse. As long as the Federal Constitution is enforced, the state of Hesse will never execute executions again, despite having that possibility in its enforced State Constitution.

[@Blechinstrument]

Hesse has removed the Death Penalty from it's constitution in 2018 =)

[@dansattah]

@Blechinstrument Alright, it's a past example. But the basic legal principles at play still apply.

[@pranshukrishna5105]

@@dansattah same in the US

[@dansattah]

@@pranshukrishna5105 Really? Throughout the past few years of US news coverage, I got the impression that US states have some laws which go against the federal Constitution, e.g. on cannabis legalization or gay marriage.

[@EUMadeSimple]

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing

[@bjornironside72]

This is one of my favorite series on KZbin. My dream is a powerful Europe, I would love to see such a federation in my lifetime.

[@simplyGTA]

I would also love a powerful Europe, or any world country really. NOT a powerful EU.

[@MKSense1]

@@simplyGTA That has to emerge for sure. It is about securing natural resources outside the federation that will require efficient and powerful military force.

[@sprites4ever482]

German here. We absolutely NEED a European Federation. We can no longer depend on the United States for stability. In fact, it was the first Chancellor after the Nazi regime, Konrad Adenauer, who originally envisioned a type of European Union, precisely so that something like WWII can never happen again. Europe absolutely NEEDS to put its local political differences aside and become a superpower.

[@hshshshshshshs8831]

We need the opposite. We need to abolish the EU completely and return to completely independent and sovereign european national states.

[@tomasa-m5643]

at least then Americans calling people "European" wouldn't be a slap in the face to your union's cultures and nationalities

[@sprites4ever482]

@@tomasa-m5643 I identify as Western European before I identify as German.

[@tomasa-m5643]

@@sprites4ever482 And I a Briton* before a Northumbrian, and certainly not an Englishman :)

[@sprites4ever482]

@@tomasa-m5643 The British Empire killed so many, but nobody hates Brits more than Brits.

[@albevanhanoy]

I prefer the Swiss model but I'd settle for this one too

[@ilovegaming114]

Swiss system allows corruption, extremism

[@pranshukrishna5105]

What about US model?

[@Daniel-yc5fu]

@@pranshukrishna5105no way. The winner takes it all doesn’t work

[@silverbowftw5225]

@@pranshukrishna5105The US model of centralization is fine, states still keep a lot of autonomy. The main issue in the US is that we have a two-party duopoly with a shitty election system that entrenches them. If we had Germany’s MMP election model then we’d be fine

[@pranshukrishna5105]

@@silverbowftw5225 even 2 party duopoly is fine, problem is that congressional elections are non competative. There should be great diversity of choices for senate and house elections, but offering more choices for presidential candidates dosen't really makes sense(look at french president elections). US needs more independents running for Congess( less then 100 independents have won elections since 1789)

[@Grumpy_ol_Gamer]

Make Holy Roman Empire Great Again?

[@volkerr.]

🤔but who’s supposed to become the new Kaiser (Caesar) then..?! 😮

[@exti1000]

@@volkerr. Olaf, the tax fraudster, Scholz I. No just kidding, put Berlosconi in power just for the memes, I would love it

[@alessandrosassolini9161]

@@exti1000 Berlusconi is dead, this can be a problem

[@exti1000]

@@alessandrosassolini9161 Too bad, I didn't realise that

[@alessandrosassolini9161]

@@exti1000 Someone can consider it a tragedy someone else think that Italy now have a thanksgiving day

[@simon_prvxt]

This is the model I'd be personally advocating for in the EU 🇪🇺💜

[@Chrischi3TutorialLPs]

Well, he did leave out the part about B*varia sneaking past the safeguards that are supposed to prevent them from overruling everyone else and abusing their superiority complex time and time and time and time and time again, aswell as the part how the Bundestag is massive because the second vote determines the percentages of how the Bundestag is assembled, and so if the first and second votes misalign (which they usually do), more seats are added to the Bundestag to make sure the percentages are fulfilled, which is why the Bundestag is bigger than the European Parliament, and would be the biggest in the world if it wasn't for China.

[@jinglinyu5573]

Same here!

[@LukeSmith1984]

At the end of the day, the only thing I care about is us europeans being united against common enemies

[@diegopenavilchez]

Same, furthermore I would add "white people being united against common enemies." 🏳️🇪🇺🇷🇺🇺🇸🇦🇺🇦🇷🙌🏻

[@user-tj5yo1hz1i]

@@diegopenavilchezkinda racist not gonna lie

[@tommyjohnson9176]

@@user-tj5yo1hz1i Europe is white, mostly. Nothing racist about the people of the land.

[@DummyUseless-er3dn]

Nope, mind your own country. I will not care about other countries until EU countries get a common link language

[@AbbasKhan-ey9kv]

What enemy?

[@straussi4]

5:48 The representation of the Bundesrat is wrong. There are only the parties ruling in the states; So the AfD has no seats since they don't rule anywhere, but on the other hand, the Freie Wähler have two seats since they rule in Bavaria.

[@goiterlanternbase]

Then the AFD should stop hunting down everyone else and start collaborating🤗 Because that's what all the other parties do, even if it costs them votes.

[@AkselGAL]

why should a party which is not ruling a federal state have a say in the Bundesrat? They are not ruling. They are not responsible for any gouvermental deceisions. The Bundesrat is a version of the us-senat.

[@ichliebeketchup8284]

I think you confused the blue dots for the AfD, but I guess they are supposed to represent the CSU. Also there are two other bluish dots representing FW.

[@FonFreeze]

What Im confused about. Why EU adopted same political system as Polish- Lithuanian commonwealth? They dont know history? Its repeating itself already. Outside forces corrupt some of the members and decision making is impossible. Yeah Slovakia and Hungary are the ones what Im looking at.

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

The answer is France. DeGaulle threatened to essentially nuke the EU in the crib if France didn’t get a veto

[@Swedishpolymath]

We have been subjugated to American dominance that will end soon. That's the biggest problem that Europe has had for decades.

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

Id rather there be no EU than people in Brussels whove never stepped foot in Latvija being able to pass laws for us without our consent.

[@diogorodrigues747]

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Given that you literally live on the Russian border you should be more careful about what you wish.

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

@@diogorodrigues747 NATO =/= EU

[@boristihon4896]

I would prefer the Swiss model, but the German model is still better than the Status Quo

[@Emanon...]

I'm all for it. But every "state" with a 5 million population minimum. I don't want these micro-state tax havens allowing the entire EU to be held hostage by corporations and foreign interests. And while we're at it, a federal level minimum tax rate on capital gains and taxes on revenue, not profit for corporations above a certain size (so they can't smuggle their profits out through subsidiaries).

[@MKSense1]

Any external relations are ruled by federal constitution and laws. So that will not be possible.

[@MyReiners]

So a countries like Slovenia, Croatia, all the Baltic States would disappear? If you want wars in Europe, you should propose that

[@AleaumeAnders]

Uhnm a minimum doesn't make much sense, as it works against cultural diversity. A maximum meanwhile is a much better idea, to reduce the influence of the larger national states. If there was a max population size per state of lets say 15 million, the following countries would have to be separated into smaller states: Germany (6), France(6), Italy(4), Spain(4), Poland(3), Romania(2), Netherlands(2). So Europe would have a minimum of 47 states.

[@CLeo-ku3lk]

sorry but i think you don´t realy understand the system - the "Bundesländer" don´t have the power it´s the political partys (yeah and the rich company´s) - so even if ie. Irleand wants lower taxes they can´t implement them because the taxes are the same in all member states

[@AleaumeAnders]

@@CLeo-ku3lk That's complete BS. Ireland can and DID lower taxes to attract companies. Yes Ireland is or at least was a tax avoidance state. And no, taxes are NOT the same across EU member states. German Bundesländer can and do similar things to a lesser degree, as indeed their ability to influence taxes is smaller. So while not absent, this problem is smaller in the german federal system than across the european union.

[@kayf7073]

Aren’t the other two models you have covered so far, USA and Switzerland, federal states as well? So after already covering two federal states, there is no need to explain the features of a federal states again. It would be more interesting to compare what is different between a German style, USA style or Swiss style system. I guess I would like the Swiss model best

[@texasgermancowgirl]

The US is a failed model and I say this as a US citizen.

[@EUMadeSimple]

Yes but new people might watch who dont know. Maybe i can use time checks next time

[@Noname6589]

​@@EUMadeSimpletime checks would be nice next time.

[@thealphafox64]

I really like the prospect of shifting the focus on common international politics instead of supporting your own country’s parties.

[@fritz-66]

Certainly the best model for a Federal EU. Trust me, I’m unbiased.

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

I like the sarcasm 😂

[@thestormcrafter]

1:49 The Bundesrat (basically the voice of the states on the federal level) actually decided that they don´t want to be referred to as "Bundesländer" but just as "Länder". Weird detail that is stuck in my mind.

[@PuNicAdbo]

The video I have been waiting for.

[@simonemezzacapo6544]

Waiting for Yugoslavia style Europe and soviet style Europe. Would love to see von der layen with mustache

[@LubomirPotocki]

You already have soviet style Europe man. EU regulates everything this is how Soviet Union works.

[@simonemezzacapo6544]

@@LubomirPotocki shutup

[@aurelije]

Yugoslavia style was German type in some domains more strict in some less. Foe example in Yugoslavia even secret service was pushed on levels of republics unlike in Germany where 1 BND exists. But in Germany education is not on federal level at all and in Yugoslavia the content (books and plans for schools) was on level of republics but framework was on federal level so no stupidity like in Germany that Gymnasium can last from 4 till 9 years, in one republic school is dumb as in USA in other much harder...

[@mnessenche]

@@LubomirPotockiyou have no thoughts at all 😂

[@kubazachara6392]

@@LubomirPotocki Bracie w Chrystusie, regulacje =/= centralne zarzadzanie wszystkiego. UE w dużym stopniu wolność osobistą ci poprawia a nie jak u Sowieta. Proszę popatrzeć trochę krytyczniej na narracje konfederackie. UE ma problemy i potrzebuje sporych reform, ale takie porównanie to demonizacja i nonsens.

[@Sirclassic]

Markus Söder is a foodblogger wdym???

[@MoLauer]

And Shrek cosplayer

[@Aviqu]

And alcoholic

[@spittylama]

Actually he doesn’t like beer because of its taste. At the same the he frames himself as the most Bavarian person of Germany.

[@Aviqu]

@@spittylama Realtalk? He doesn't like beer? Source?

[@ninototo1]

​@@Aviqu you can easily google it. He doesnt drink alcohol at all

[@ZannerIn]

If you like european parties, vote for Volt 💜

[@hegyitaho]

Should be Swiss style

[@SeArCh4DrEaMz]

Works for a population of 10 million but might not for half a billion. I see a federal system like they have in Germany (or the US) as a more practical one.

[@DehydratedDarkness]

​@@SeArCh4DrEaMzFor the last time, German system is nothing like the US one, it's purposefully dysfunctional to hamper German potential. 10 million for the Swiss model is big enough of a scale that we know it scales up indefinetly as long as the infrastructure is there. It is there for EU countries. People just need to be educated, so worst case scenario it would be some short-term pain for the most functional democratic system currently around

[@Slithermotion]

@@SeArCh4DrEaMzwhy should a system for 10 million not work for 100 million? I can have linux on my watch and in the biggest super computer. A good system can adapt. Switzerland has a proven system that works since 1848 very well.

[@AECH_CH]

@@SeArCh4DrEaMz This comment has no evidence, despite the feeling that it may wouldn't work. Why wouldn't it?

[@Janoip]

nah

[@boristihon4896]

The most important for the EU is to only care of its own interests. The nowadays poor nations will not start helping us after becoming stronger than us. Some of them will always hate us for our colonial history

[@maximus3178]

What federalists don't understand is that these entities aren't born out of good will, money, by hugging each other dearly etcetera. For these to be a reality there has to be a real bond felt by everyone, and these kind of bonds only growth when you share a struggle or a suffering or a blood spill together. Our countries where born in that way because human communities work in this way. No Portuguese would die for an Estonian town, no Norwegian for a Greek, no French for a Romanian and so on. You can't wipe off 1000 years of conflicts just because you really wish for it.That is why a European Federation in my opinion can only arise from the ashes of another war, and honestly I would rather avoid it. It is not worth the risk for me. Tell me I am a Russian bot, I don't care

[@HelionDark]

That is one way but I can tell you if we had beter politicians and program people would unite more even without "real" war cold one would be enough we already have more then enough enemies.

[@santostv.]

A Portuguese is more distant from the estonia struggle,we were even neutral with various spies in the territory apparently , we would do it for countries like Spain despite disliking them centuries ago,the french,Luxembourg there 1/3 are Portuguese,Switzerland it’s neutral but you get it,Italy,the uk,I think even for the superiority complex filled Germany. If nato orders us we will go but on a national level what I said is the more of the general sentiment in my anecdotal evidence , same reason our government isn’t even bothered to increase our gdp spending on the military while everything is falling apart and various national embarrassments have happened ect,still we do exercises with nato in the Balkans.

[@Qnexus7]

you're forgetting the spanish civil war where people from all over the continent went to die for their ideas of which political model for the world should prevail. i really wish not to die in some stupid war, but if things go south, i can see myself going to protect whatever border of my continent is at risk, be it estonia, greece or portugal. i am not living under a rock and i think many people also don't. we're just all frustrated with the overall stagnation and bs hopeless politics.

[@MDP1702]

Many already feel very European, I know I do and many I know do too. And well, your entire argument can also be made for already existing countries, like that a Bavarian never would die for someone from lower saxony, and yet they do and Germany exists. Most large countries aren't formed because people grew attached to eachother, rather they grew attached to eachother because they were part of the same nation and developed national feelings overtime. It is very rare for the opposite to be case.

[@johngrimes93]

None of the minority groups or states in Europe feel European over their country, it’s only a few Germans and Dutch who have profited hugely from dominating their industries and enforcing them on everyone while crushing the industry of smaller states.

[@Shakemon]

I think it would be great to see a video by you on an Indian-style Federal EU (of course, not including the electoral system), given the great diversity seen in India and the EU.

[@boristihon4896]

A Swiss model is easier to achieve and more rewarding economically

[@Janoip]

The more rewarding part not really and a too strong currency would harm that EU to much in exports and make it even less competitive, i mean for alot countries in the EU the € is already to expensive them than they had before kind of even for greece or tourist based ones. But overall a Federation Union + would mean the wealthier countries would have to shift alot of wealth to get the other regions a lot of nearer in infrastructure + wealth overall and will create alot of resistance, the giving away even more money would be a big no no for germany, austria, Netherlands + that already have their anti EU, Nato, USA+ parties collecting votes with that

[@xxxxxx2072]

Agreed

[@PeachDragon_]

"the EU is not a country" Not yet...not yet.

[@Cech2233]

And hopefully never

[@firefox39693]

I think the Belgian model is far too messy and dysfunctional for the EU to want to replicate. If anything, I think the German, Australian, or Indian models are worth looking at. I'm also interested to see how the South African system works, as well as Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, and, again, Australia. I live in Canada. Take it from me. We're not worth looking to for inspiration, but Australia is. Their system allows for things to get done.

[@MKSense1]

Sure but they grew from the British model and they are still part of Commonwealth, not to mention that they had the same language and are culturally tied to Britain.

[@firefox39693]

@@MKSense1 That's irrelevant because the UK is a unitary country, Canada and Australia are not unitary countries.

[@MKSense1]

@@firefox39693 The point was that Australia can't be a model for European federation.

[@wbytb]

Would a final episode on a hybrid system, picking the best from the different countries be useful? For instance, Australia's government is a hybrid of the USA's federal system and the UK's Westminster system. What was considered the best 100 years ago.

[@tyrellalexander-f1i]

USA federal system? I think you mean Presidential system? Or do you mean US Federal system vs the UK's Unitary system?

[@wbytb]

​@@tyrellalexander-f1i Australia has appointed Governor Generals (GG) rather than Presidents; one GG at the federal level and one for each state. The UK has the House of Lords and the House of Commons. Most Australian states copied this bicameral model, but some states abolished the upper house. A senate rather than the House of Lords is used in the Federal level and remaining bicameral states. Australia has a strong permanent civil service advising the ministers similar to the UK Westminster approach and dissimilar to the USA where the top positions in the civil services are picked by this new president. I will omit a comparative discussion of the UK's Overseas Territories, the USA Territories and the Australian Territories in the Antarctica, the Northern Territory and Australian Capital Territory. As an aside, it could prove devise, trying to implement an EU federation and abolish the royal families role in politics at the same time. Adopting some aspects of the Australian system could help solve the this issue. Technically, Charles III is the still head of Australia. In a referendum in 1999, Australians voted on republicanism to keep the monarchy at 61% to 39%.

[@tyrellalexander-f1i]

@@wbytb I need glasses. lol Reading your original post, I read America, not Australia. Sorry, my bad.

[@wbytb]

@@tyrellalexander-f1i No problem. Misreading America and Australia is common, especially with acronyms. The acronym for the United States of Australia was already taken by another country at the time of federation, but Australians often refer to their country as the 'States'. Equally confusing is the official name the 'Commonwealth of Australia' abbreviated to the 'Commonwealth', a term used to refer to the countries in the old British Empire, excluding the USA and a few others.

[@matpk]

INVITE SCOTLAND AND WALES JOINING EU A MUST

[@chrisalex82]

*_and cornwall and united ireland 🗣🗣🔥🔥_*

[@ItzWhiz_]

Rent free

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

If the EU is a federation they wont want to.

[@JimmyJr630]

Wales voted to leave

[@yasharfarzaneh4695]

So why don't you upload the review of each EU country?????? You promised earlier that the uploading of this series of videos will start again, but it has not happened!!!!!!!!

[@fiorino4554]

Swiss model is better

[@PauxloE]

→ 7:28 Currently, in Germany the second vote is still for state level candidate lists (though these are linked together to federal-level groups of lists for determining the total number of seats). If we really want to copy this, we'd still have national lists, which then can connect to european lists if they wish (e.g. to share leftover votes). So, not so different to right now, where these groups are formed after the election. I guess the difference might be that the weight of the larger countries grows (currently they are slightly underrepresented so also the small countries like Malta can have multiple members of Parliament). (And of course, who gets to pick the EU "government".) → 9:10 Nowhere in the German constitution the number of ministers is defined. It certainly doesn't have to be 14. And it also doesn't say that the chancellor needs to be the lead candidate of one of the parties, that's just somewhat of a tradition.

[@michaelhauser8897]

How about a union modeled after the Danish Realm, where every member state is an autonomous region similar to Greenland or the Faroe Islands?

[@deutschermichel5807]

We would have to have a king for that

[@HD-mp6yy]

Having and Emperor be elected by the Heads of States for Life isn't a bad Idea, look at any European Monarchy that isn't Britain.

[@OrolesMagnus]

I think that a future European Federation should took the best from the US, German and Swiss Federations, and maybe add a few things extra to differentiate from the others.

[@HelloworldWelcometoMylife1]

swiss option is the best in my opinion

[@EUMadeSimple]

which country would you like to see next? If any? :)

[@18meter]

EU with electoral college lol

[@EUMadeSimple]

haha ill see what I can do

[@Firing_Line]

​@@18meter very cursed

[@thomasshirrefs5331]

@@EUMadeSimple first French Republic? 😁 or more realistically Scandinavia?

[@TurliAlbaneze]

Federal Europe is a must. As fair and representative as possible towards the member countries. German version or the swiss one are a good start. This federation should start now. Not necessarily turning EU into e Federal Europe - But Federal Europe as a new political European layer.

[@marcothebarber764]

As a Portuguese, I firmly support a Swiss style for Europe, and most importantly, it is to outlaw the extreme left and extreme right.

[@TheGoukaruma]

The big Swiss party is pretty far right itself.

[@marcothebarber764]

@TheGoukaruma What I mean in the Swiss style is ethnic and linguistic respect, in Switzerland there is Latin and Germanic... And Europe has to put Europe first, second and third!

[@marcothebarber764]

Western Latin Europe alone has 185... Million inhabitants and a GDP of 7 trillion,

[@teyrncousland7152]

@@marcothebarber764 Which parts of Europe are more important? Would Greece be equally important as Germany for example?

[@marcothebarber764]

@teyrncousland7152 In my point of view we are all equal, today it is Greece tomorrow it could be Germany, and Countries using the euro should move towards integration

[@KarlKarpfen]

The "lead candidate" isn't a legal thing, though: Parties can participate in the election by one list per state in the federal vote and one candidate per municipality (more correct: per Wahlkreis). So a party that participates in a federal election legally has 16 "lead candidates" of which their proposed chancellor isn't even necessarily one of them. It's just German political tradition to announce a party's reccommendation on which of their members should be the next chancellor if the chancellor is from their party.

[@junbog]

I am from Germany and I like the German system with Bundesländern who have autonomy, the Bundestag and Bundesrat sytsem and the two votes in election. However in an EU wide Federation in that style the 5%-Hürde definetely needs to go and the states should stay as the current nations, not like in the thumbnail.

[@AteliusMapping]

As a fellow German I wholeheartedly disagree with the last statement

[@junbog]

@AteliusMapping Du willst Deutschland aufteilen?

[@c.j.shotgunangel8905]

As a german i can tell you this system works somehow but it has many flaws. For example school subjects differ and are worth different in different states.

[@Hansmitdemflammenwerferr]

German model isnt much more centralized than the current EU model. If you want an actual country that holds together there would need to be a higher level of centralization in my opinion. The reason germany holds together is because its one cultural and linguistic entity, wich the EU simply isnt.

[@EloNaj]

Germany is many things but not an cultural entity (Lock at maps of the Holy Roman Empire and you know why). And even linguistical we are divided by a variety of low and high German dialects.

[@Hansmitdemflammenwerferr]

@EloNaj Germany has alot of regional dialects, thats true, but its still one single cultural entity. The diversity in germany is nothing special, its just that provinces are more autonomous than they would usually be. If you ask a german outside of germany where they are from, they'll tell you they are from germany like everyone else, not from say Bavaria or Thuringia. There is a common german identity in germany, even if there are also local ones, something wich cannot be said about europe as a whole.

[@EloNaj]

@Hansmitdemflammenwerfer732 With that argument you can say Europe also has a cultural identity. We are all European and call as as such some of us are German, some Spanish, Polish... so what. All of us share influences of the Roman Empire and nearly every language will have some Latin / Greek words in it.

[@JayTeeEN]

@Hansmitdemflammenwerfer732 Its a common misconception that Germany is culturally unified. There are still massive differences between the more secular North and more Catholic Bavaria. There is a reason there is a CDU/CSU. CSU is special in a Bavarian context. Also the West and East have incredible cultural differences due to East Germany being a puppet of the Soviet Union and being cut of. Regional dialects are also a big factor. I am from the North and its sometimes hard to understand people in the South. Even cultural celebrations like Octoberfest are only really a thing in Bavaria (aparently there is one in Hannover but I grew up near Hannover and it isn't really a thing). A Swiss person would also tell you they are from Switzerland despite linguistic and canton diversity. I would also say I am from Germany but mainly because thats the current political unit. I think someone from the Sorb minority would probably also say they are from Germany despite not being ethnically German. Conversely the son of the last Austro-Hungarian Emperor and conservative politician was VERY big on identifying as European over everything else.

[@suevialania]

The Swiss federation is an example for European Union! 🇪🇺🇨🇭

[@wertzuilopo2626]

Imagine making a video about Germany but talking about Bavaria

[@ScythoBoyNm4856]

I swear im moving to a different continent if this happenw

[@JonasKrl-h3e]

That's your right. And I wouldn't stop you.

[@ScythoBoyNm4856]

@@JonasKrl-h3e thanks, im just really stressed about this "eu uniting" thing

[@Qnexus7]

@@ScythoBoyNm4856 just chill.

[@ScythoBoyNm4856]

@@Qnexus7 yea, i geuess i should just startnplanning my trip to another continent if the eu unites.

[@Qnexus7]

@@ScythoBoyNm4856 isn't orban protecting you enough from evil EU? besides hunexit is always a possibility if you don't like it.

[@dominiklehn2866]

Using bavaria as a "shining example" probably pissed off so many Germans watching this lol

[@boristihon4896]

Germany is way to bureaucratic. The Swiss model would only be agreed by its people

[@Janoip]

Nah direct vote would be bring alot of trouble Easily to be influenced by outside powers, not beeing able to make good long term planing and with the aging population a even faster way to Gerontokratie/Gerontocracy and old people having biggest voter share and blocking many future investments while shifting it to pension boost and not touching housing. + just look at villages where old people+ "special ones" blocked 4/5G or Fibre network expansion for "it makes us sick, we dont use it " reasons and than crying about young people leaving it and why dont new people or businesses wont settle there

[@gelbphoenix]

The system of the Bundesrepublik (federal republic) was created to prevent extremists to easily usurp power like in 1933.

[@amirroslan2545]

close enough. welcome back Holy Roman Empire

[@DoodleDan]

I understand why this video is a thing but maaaaan, I do NOT want to imagine an EU that works like Germany, we would be centuries behind in everything except alcohol poisoning

[@JonasKrl-h3e]

Fair point 😂 Biste auch Deutscher?

[@Grimmiges_Ranarrkraut]

Blabla Bundesländer, german style government- oh and by the way, have you ever wondered about your past? Damn, all germans start shivering right there

[@slavianalbanovich9025]

Just don't take the German model when it comes to energy policies (German ones are the worst in the Western world).😅😅

[@EUMadeSimple]

Agreed haha :)

[@ZaZaSamariter]

Why?

[@timwiesler6365]

Why do you think that?

[@slavianalbanovich9025]

@@timwiesler6365 highest energy cost in Europe (or second after Denmark) and with very high emissions due to the coal which they will not be able to do without.

[@gelbphoenix]

@@slavianalbanovich9025 Germany's energy mix was made of ca. 63% from renewable energy sources like wind, solar and biomass.

[@cwcoc170]

There's actually a little unpreciceness: in Germany, you dont directly vote for the Kanzler but yust for the party, so technically, they could still come up with someone co.pleytley new after the elections (tho this is quite unlikley to happen). I would really enjoy voting for a eu party istead of a national one, but thos would probably kill some partys like Die Partei.

[@mukkaar]

Personally, one thing I do think we need to do is standardize financial system across EU. Despite us being in EU, we are still very much different nations. So it's quite hard to compete in big industries that require scale and heavy capital investment. Also, this would help outside money to come in. Other part is this would be great degree of help in keeping some countries bit more honest. Ultimately, this would not be about less control, but about same standards for smoother business. And other one is what everyone knows, reform EU internal voting system. I would say these are actually both things that should be done before expansion is to be considered. Also, related to financial reform, I think if it's decided on, everyone has to do it, and also adopt euro. Since cons of euro would be mostly gone if everyone used same financial system standard. I mean personally I think it's overall beneficial even now, especially to EU as a whole, but I do also get some people's notion it's best not to adopt it. I think these are realistic things that could be done relatively short term, that have hugely beneficial effect on EU and it's member states. I think if some type of federal Europe is to come, it's probably not in short term future. Honestly, it's just not worth spending effort on to think or act. Much better and workable solution is gradually making decisions that make block more powerful, which in most cases means making it more unified.

[@pascalbaryamo4568]

I’d rather suggest a Russian or Spanish style federation if any - different levels of autonomy and different sizes for the constituents. For example, Poland could choose to become a unitary, highly autonomous state like Navarra while Wallonia moght choose to be a sort of direct department

[@robertrusiecki9033]

Unnecessary scheming. The problem of the EU is not the method of electing authorities, but the unanimous method of making decisions - "liberum veto" has already once in European history ended in a spectacularly scandalous failure of the fall of the powerful state of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth - and the dispersion of key "state" competences outside the structures of the European Union, i.e.: NATO, the Council of Europe and the OSCE. This "dispersion" means that decisions crucial to the security of the European Union are made outside the electoral control of European societies. This or another form of federation will not change this without including the EU in the structures of NATO, the Council of Europe and the OSCE (or them in the structures of the EU). Now the EU is structurally somewhere between an international organization, a confederation, a federation, and a unitary state with all the ills of this undefined state. The EU still has a long way to go before it can say about itself that it is at least a little bit of an ordinary state.

[@MDP1702]

I assume that with a federal model the EU would replace all its members position in NATO, Council of Europe, ... as it should get competence of defense, international relations and policy, ...

[@Janoip]

OSZE + Nato are completely different thinks from EU, just have close cooperation with it EU also has article 42.7 that is like Article 5 of Nato. They will stay even after a EU Federation or so Nato also because of non EU Members like Turkey, some Baltic Countries or future members like Ukraine, Moldova+ They have in big parts different Task than the EU and alone for all the Standardisation, Networks and different Bodies of Nato it wont be ended so much work put into that and many many hours of negotiations

[@robertrusiecki9033]

@@Janoip It is impossible to build a European federation without including the competences transferred to NATO, the Council of Europe and the OSCE. However, these organisations are intergovernmental in nature and are not subject to the electoral control of European voters. In other words, we cannot vote on whether more money should go to build tanks, a fleet or to build the Death Star. There are preparations underway to build a European military-industrial complex based on the American model, but this will not be possible without the support of the electorate for building a common defence mechanism. "Winter is coming" and we are like children of the summer of peace...

[@Janoip]

@@robertrusiecki9033 Than luck in the Nato Strategic Paper or Minimum Capabilities Requirements that are Goals set and will still be a thing in an United EU to share Specialisation under basicly that Guideline in most part. +Nato will Stay with than EU as member. OSZE only if realations with Russia get better as Talk Forum

[@siegechamp2295]

9:46 I'd like to correct here: it doesn't necessarily have to be the party with the most votes, if they can't form a coalition, other parties may try to

[@ander_41]

Video idea: Europe in a spanish-style: autonomous communities

[@mariotomazzoni6523]

Great idea, this is how it works in Germany: the Federal Parlament creates new laws that bind the States and Communites, for example by granting childcare to each kid after its 3rd birthday. The States and Communites now have the obligation to spend money on that, despite didn't get more money from the Federal Taxes. Some states like Berlin that have so little income that they are basically poor get subsidised from the richer States and make the childcare even free, while the rich States don't have enough money to do this after the subsidaries have been transfaired to the poorer states. Sounds like a great system, right?

[@gelbphoenix]

Then on the other hand there is also the possibility that a state can turn around the situation for itself. Bavaria did that for example.

[@gabriela3174]

i love my europe and it should stay european for europeans only. God gave us our own land it so it should be. not racist but alot of people i know from other countries believe the same except some.

[@JonasKrl-h3e]

Sorry to blow your bubble, but we all came from Africa at a point in history. And exchange was always a reality since, although probably at a slower pace in past days.

[@teyrncousland7152]

@@JonasKrl-h3e New studies suggest an earlier European ancestry before going to Africa and like you said exchange in the past was never as bad as today, which is why it need to be stopped by any means necessary.

[@violinosion]

This is why i don't want to have anything in common with people like that, even if they are my " neighbours"

[@FaithfulOfBrigantia]

​@@JonasKrl-h3e If we all came from Africa then that means we all have a claim in Africa (hence colonialism is justified) but Africans don't have a claim anywhere else. People make this silly argument that doesn't even defend their own position if taken to it's logical conclusion.

[@Creepex]

they hate you, it's okay to hate them.

[@NotanEmpire]

A model like this is maybe more inevitable than we realise. If Germany and France remain ungovernable until a revolution happens eg in France, this could bring a EU level revolution with the final result of a EU federation with popular ( parliamentary) European sovereignty. The precedent is the German revolution 1918-19. France is Bavaria in my analogy. So this video is very relevant to structurally how it could all work when everything shakes out and settles down.

[@jemalo-cszweitausend]

I'm German. Please don't.

[@volkerr.]

Wieso? So schlecht finde ich unser System nicht. 😊

[@Creepex]

endlich normale Leute

[@Creepex]

​@volkerr.wenn die grünen verboten werden dann kann man nochmal darüber reden

[@volkerr.]

@Creepex da bin ich voll bei Dir. Und teile der spd und die Linkspartei gleich mit dazu.

[@maxstirner7566]

Political decentralisation has brought Europe out of feudalism. Political centralization as you propose will bring Europe back.

[@deutschermichel5807]

“Political decentralisation has brought Europe out of feudalism” What? No

[@ninototo1]

Nationalism and democracy did that. Nothing to do with decentralisation.

[@ArmHope]

Literally the German style was made by the USA, it’s based off the US system

[@kianlakchi7182]

It turned out quite different for some reason then.

[@MrTohawk]

It was made by a parliamentary council which was elected by the Länder parliaments. But yes. It is a much improved version of the US system. After all they had almost 200 years of American history to look at and see the flaws in that system

[@Blechinstrument]

Federalism has a long tradition in Germany, tracing back to the late middle ages.

[@theChaosKe]

Its based on the holy roman empire

[@enysuntra1347]

No, Germany does not work that way. The first vote isn't for a "regional party", but a regional candidate. In fact, the German system is a chimera of a representative democracy with a first-past-the-post representative system. A "lead candidate" is not accepted by most countries with a true seperation of power (in Germany, the system is called "joining of power"); and with good reason. Germany will have eventually to assimilate and also reform its election system (which is already breaking down) into separate elections for government and parliament; and as a German, I am looking forward to it.

[@deutschermichel5807]

Election for government? Are you on crack? How cringe would it be to elect a chancellor

[@enysuntra1347]

@deutschermichel5807 No, I am living at the German-French Border, where the PRESIDENT is elected directly and the "chancellor" is the chairman of the parliament. Apart from that, the world will NOT "get healed by the German spirit". Germany will have to adapt to the rest of the EU. The majority of the EU elects the president directly and parliament separately.

[@oberstvilla1271]

The influence of the EU on the member states must be reduced and not increased further. No one in Europe wants to be coerced by unelected bureaucrats from Brussels.

[@MKSense1]

So you can have nice deals with autocratic dictatorial country like Russia and China from back door?

[@thealphafox64]

As a German I feel the need to mention that the actual head of our state is the Bundespräsident. The Bundeskanzler is the head of parliament

[@PixelGamer05HD]

The Bundeskanzler (Chancellor) is the head of government, not of parliament.

[@gelbphoenix]

You mean head of government. Heads of parliament would be the presidents of the Bundestag and the Bundesrat.

[@sailor67duilio27]

The model would destroy each nation in order to make it uniform and remove national cultural sovereignty. It's ok for Germany, but not for a whole continent with different national variations. Furthermore I would not like to have a climate policy at the top of the pyramid. We have seen how the green policy has destroyed European automobile industry and economy. I think a confederation still has a place where joint policy like defense, foreign policy may be a joint effort. Free movement of goods and open borders with the proviso to reduce movements in emergency is still a valid proposition. Individual countries cannot ba taken as a region of a country. We've had enough to be uniformed from the left, it resemble a communist state.

[@oerthling]

Apart from the fact that we need climate change policy to survive in the future, this is not what's destroying European car manufacturing. Even without the need to switch away from fossil fuels (and that absolutely needs to happen) EVs are just better cars anyway. Quieter and less polluting. Even acceleration is better. Overall much more efficient. And with the right infrastructure even more convenient. The charging time vs refueling is a temporary speed bump. ICE cars are just technologically obsolete. The reasons European car manufacturers are currently in trouble is mainly due to 2 things: 1) China is just a very big market and has been maturing fast during the last few decades. Given the large population it was always going to be important and a big new competitor. 2) Our manufacturers had their heads in the sand for too long. Missed opportunities to invest into battery production (outside of China) and cling to stupid delaying tactics like hydrogen and efuels. They've been sitting on their laurels for too long. They have real problems to solve (retooling, investing into software, training new engineers for new engineering challenges, etc...). But they wasted time chasing quarterly results while China saw the opportunity and grabbed it. Everybody has decent EVs on offer now at least. If they manage to iterate and get more models on the market that people are willing to buy at the price some of them might make it and not follow Nokia and BlackBerry into the has-been champions museum. If they continue with your kind of thinking Chinese companies will just buy the brand names later.

[@sailor67duilio27]

@@oerthling Nothing wrong with electric cars,apart that in winter lithium batteries discharge quicker and you can remain hanging and waiting. The problem is that a EU policy to switch from oil to electric within a time limit irrespective of considering the effects of decisions without thinking on the effects to the population, industry ands infrastructure. You sound liker someone who lives comfortably and has an electric car and everything within distance. I think that you should think about the people that: a) have been working in the automotive industry and they have based all their livelihood on a job (not caring about the product, b) the cost of conve4rsion to an electric automotive, c) the cost of conversion of traditional housing to another power/heating system, d) the cost of converting and producing electric cars in Europe for a large population that has to convert, because of blind ideology in a short time. You mention China, well Chinese do not have a welfare and a tax regime like in Europe. I don't want to go and discussing further, because obviously you do not have a clue how normal people live. The beef on my comment was the decision making by a number of people that are driven by ideologies and by pragmatic thinking. These are the same people that have caused the european voters to switch to another direction which ,to these european voters, is better because it does not damage their livelihood. Hard ideologies lead to the people affected to revolt, as it is happening. The EU cannot federalise into small landers as it will be even slower than it is now and it will not support individuals but instead remove individuality and become just like russians...sheep.

[@oerthling]

@sailor67duilio27 I don't own an electric car. Like must people I live in a city where we don't actually need any car that much. I bought a new bike instead. I occasionally use EBs through shared fleet services like Miles. I AM thinking of the people who work in the car industry. What do you think will happen to their jobs when current braindead industrial policy clings to ICE cars and the world car market goes completely to China and Tesla. The winter argument is silly. All it means is that that you might recharge slightly more often. But for commuters who just drive to work and back to suburbia it makes 0 difference. Norway is cold I hear and totally does have winters. It also hardly sells ICE cars anymore. There's just a lot of FUD around EVs - thanks to Dr Fossil and his far right climate denial buddies. EVs require some infrastructure investment and a bit of change in habits. Then it's fine and has a lot of advantages. Even charging is eventually more convenient than driving to a gas station when you can just charge either at home or at the office parking lot. And if you don't drive to an office - why even have a car?

[@sailor67duilio27]

@@oerthling I'm retired and live 10km from a small town with 3 buses per day and none at the weekend. the shops are in the small town. As I have said, you know nothing John Snow.

[@oerthling]

@sailor67duilio27 And you just explained to me why the winter range of an EV would be 0 problem for you. Besides, 10 km is easy bike range. And even less on an ebike.

[@HalfEye79]

The german style of elections has some clear downsides: - The chancellor isn't elected directly. - The Bundestag grows and is still growing because of "Überhangmandate" and "Ausgleichsmandate". - The non-voters don't are considered. The parties don't care, if there are an attendence of 80% or 60%.

[@gelbphoenix]

German here. The Bundeskanzler is somewhat directly elected as they are the lead candidate of their party for which we vote. But as it isn't a personal election so personal preferences (as the charisma of the candidate) doesn't count as much as in a direct election and the parties values and goals count.

[@HalfEye79]

@@gelbphoenix I'm German, too. I would find it better, when in Germany would also be such a thing, like the pre-elections, which are in the US.

[@XY-uc1tw]

EU can not exist longer, if always same countries pay for the same other countries. Greece, Poland etc... are getting huge benefit over 20 years and Germany, Nederland etc. paying huge amount of money for EU over 20 years...

[@rafavince]

Well If you consider the fact that a big chunk of that money comes with strings attached ... I see many projects that require machinery and services that are mostly sold by let's say German or Dutch companies so the money circles back. Now if you factor direct non EU (e.g. Chinese) imports that change the calculation a lot

[@sandrokick7777]

Greetings and „Servus“ from Bavaria :) fun fact: our minister president markus söder is from the bavarian region called „franken“ and the inhabitants of franken are not seen as true bavarians from the rest of bavaria. This is because franken has its own different culture, dialekt (regional language) and also became historicaly late a part of bavaria.

[@deutschermichel5807]

Wir sind keine Bayern

[@Gravitatis]

whats the point of having a local government if the federal government always beats it

[@MDP1702]

The federal government can't beat it in competences that are given to the local governments?

[@Gravitatis]

@@MDP1702 you mean given by the federal government?

[@MDP1702]

@@Gravitatis The formation of this federal structure can't just be done on the federal level, it needs support from the local level. The federal level is nothing if most local level governments/people don't support it and refuse to obey/support it. This is one of the main reasons why you need to put into law the competences of each level, a law (constitution) ratified by all (or at least most) involved parties (ie. mostly local ones). It is actually more the opposite of what you say: the federal level is given competences and jurisdictions by the regional levels who willingly give those up to the federal level. The opposite would need something akin to a dictatorship or such.

[@Gravitatis]

@@MDP1702 if all the power granted to local governments is done so only by the will of federal authority, then local autonomy is nothing but an illusion

[@silverbowftw5225]

@@GravitatisI feel like there’s this whole perception of the federal level being alien to local problems… You elect your representatives and decisions are done at the national level where not just your local government but also the many other local governments across the country have a say in *national matters*. A federation outlines what the federal government can impose on all member states and what it cannot do. For instance, immigration is something that has to be done at the federal level for efficiency, so the federal government takes care of that. However, local police force, local healthcare, etc. are things that are explicitly left to the states and the government can’t coerce them into submission on their areas of autonomy. Federation does not equal unitary republic.

[@marius-mueller]

Another nice thing is the "Vertrauensfrage" question of trust... Which is currently in action. The government fucked up and now there are reelections in February.

[@Yogi5D]

no more like a swiss style canton solution for EU

[@Morboxx]

We have a very good system. The US really should've taken some notes and updated theirs in the 50s...

[@wurf5336]

no

[@mrcnwk]

Yes

[@wurf5336]

@@mrcnwk germany is failed country

[@teyrncousland7152]

@@mrcnwk No

[@Janoip]

yes

[@Chrischi3TutorialLPs]

As a German, i can answer that question with a resounding no. Just ask anyone outside Bavaria what they think of Bavaria, and you'll soon know why. In theory, the system is designed so one state cannot overrule the others. In practice, Bavaria circumvents this by having their own party (Well its complicated, there's the CSU which exists only in Bavaria and the CDU which exists everywhere else, but because they always do a thing where they go into elections together the CSU always gets in and demands Bavaria gets special treatment, which they usually do) Also, the Bundesrat is more complicated than that. The Bundesrat does not get to have a say in a law unless said law affects the rights of the states. Otherwise, they can file an objection, but it can be ignored by the Bundestag. And don't even get me STARTED on overhang seats. While the two vote system sounds great, the issue is that the percentage of party representatives in parliament is determined by the second vote. The problem is that the votes from the first vote rarely, if ever, align with the votes from the second vote, so every party writes up a list of candidates that are then added to the Bundestag to compensate for the difference. As a result, the Bundestag is currently the second biggest parliament in the world, superceded only by China's. Yes, even if you include the European parliament. The Bundestag is supposed to 598 members, two per electoral circuit, but in reality, it currently has 735, so in a German style model for the EU, realistically, the number of seats in parliament is gonna approach something like 900-1000 people.

[@philip2205]

In the past, I would have preferred a unitary EU. However, now I have come to realise it would be much better if my country could have all the benefits of the EU, but none of the downsides. I have come to realise this is much better. (Sarcasm.)

[@Lawrence4000-s3k]

The benefits do appear to be getting thinner and the downsides greater, though.

[@JonasKrl-h3e]

​@@Lawrence4000-s3kIn how far? Without the EU, we won't be able to compete with China or to maintain our welfare states against the US-american model...

[@DehydratedDarkness]

I prefer the Swiss model and US model in order, but I must say I love the way you split Poland. Half of Silesia moves to retire in the Southeast anyways

[@DenUitvreter]

No, more democracy and therefore far less EU is the future.

[@carlcramer9269]

I think a problem trying to implement this might be that it is from Germany. :) An interesting issue with this is that the länder are smaller than many nations, implying large countries like Poland, France ad Spain would be subdivided into "länder", which I think would be hard to swallow, but very popular in regions like Catalonia. A level between the "länder" and EU would be needed, creating a 3-tierd structure. Finally, Germany's tradition of only having majority government should go, even in Germany!

[@TreyMessiah95]

Somebody is a German native thinking the German model is great, no biased their lol

[@EUMadeSimple]

In case you are referring to me, I am not GErman :)

[@qwidium]

I do believe that any form of federation at EU level is better that we have today.

[@Diego-de6dq]

I wish this was possible, but currently nationalism is going too strong in most EU countries for this to ever be possible. I think why the German-style perfectly fits only Germany, is exactly because they mostly lost this specifically unproductive Nationalism post WW2 and unity was more important.

[@DylanIE_]

Unified EU.... lol. No thanks.

[@adamkaczmarek4751]

​@@DylanIE_what do you expect from the channel focused on the EU propaganda

[@Diego-de6dq]

Y'all just proving my point lmao. Might as well be bots making these replies lol.

[@Carthodon]

@@Diego-de6dq There are other reasons to not want centralization of power besides nationalism. Can you see a problem with a world government? If you do, then there will be variants of those concerns if applied to Europe.

[@thomasshirrefs5331]

@@Diego-de6dq not sure why you think it’s a perfect fit for Germany… looking at recent elections and economic figures would suggest otherwise

[@julianbrabsche728]

I think forming a federation would be to only sensible thing to do if you were to unite the EU into a single country, because firstly countries would probadly not be willing to just completenly give up their independence, on the other hand it just makes sense because of the sheer size, population, but also because of the different languages, history and culture.

[@gamesmappers9740]

No.

[@NuckerIThink]

I would be really interested to learn about Russia's system, and how such a large and diverse country doesn't just fall apart.

[@Qnexus7]

centuries of russification plus all the money goes to moscow then moscow decides what region(what governor) gets the money and how much. the whole system is on moscow leashes. it is federal only in name.

[@robertgaspar7521]

No thanks, I don't want bicameralism or a single head of government for the eu, a swiss based model without the second legislative chamber would be best

[@lipingrahman6648]

I’ve often wondered why Bavaria doesn’t become its own Germanic state. It’s too good for the rest of Germany.

[@twofaceofinternet1027]

The German model is very bad for Europe, it will lead to a lot of tensions because it will want to centralize too much diversity by force.

[@theChaosKe]

A federation is the oppositive of centralization. Most countries in europe are not federations but unitary states with a central gouvernment.

[@atharvaveda87]

YES the 1st European Empire. Secure and free and with good safe food good education and respectful of everyone

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

That would be horrible!

[@goiterlanternbase]

It needs an intermittent level on neighboring provinces. It would provide forums and of course, they overlap. Although they increase the number of EU members, the opinion should get smoothed out, so that a EU parliament would inherit only representative powers, like a company representative not has a saying in the corporate goals. As this would make Ursel cry rivers, it is clearly a good idea😁

[@frankmcnally5993]

Swiss option

[@RationalAndSkeptic]

While I like the federation analogy, my problem with the german system is the lack of real separation of power. The executive and legislative are one and the same, the chancellor is in charge of both executive and legislative. The president has no function, like a king in other european countries. Afik the parties also elect the supreme court equivalent judges.

[@azelucy1798]

Nooooo

[@nienke7713]

I feel like it has too much national/local influence, as it gets it both in the local representatives in the bundestag-like system, and local representatives in the bundesrat-like system. I would get rid of the local representatives in the bundestag-like system. I would make it a ranked choice open list system. People can rank the entire list (which is considered as ranking all unranked candidates on that list in the order they're on the list) but also rank individual candidates to put them higher or lower than the list they appear on. That way, people can prioritize particular candidates based on aspects they care about (whether that's local representation, minority representation, just candidates that they feel are doing a particularly good job, etc.), but you don't force local representation. Your vote will go to whoever is ranked first, candidates who have more votes than they need will pass excess votes on to their voters next choices, until at some point no candidate has an excess of votes, at which point we start eliminating candidates with the lowest amounts of votes and redistributing their votes to their voters mext preferences. Additionally, this system would also allow independent candidates to gain seats without being on a list, even though party lists are still part of the system. The bundesrat-like system, I would have directly elected by the nations, rather than indirectly through their governments, to give more direct local representation to the people. I also dislike the Spitze kandidaten type stuff. We have something similar in the Netherlands where typically the first candidate of the biggest coalition party becimes prime minister, and it just turns elections that should be about voting for the party that fits you best so that it gets more seats, into an election that's about the few big parties trying to become the biggest so that their candidate can be the coalition leader. In addition, a member of parliament and a member/leader of the executive are quite different roles, and I think it's better if someone is specifically chosen for their role, rather than becoming leader of the executive as a result of being elected as a member of parliament (whilst they're first for their party, and their party wins) when they may be more suitable as parlimentarian rather than executive leader, or parties fielding someone they intend on having as executive leader as their first candidate, and possibly ending up as a parlimentarian, when they're not particularly suitable as parlimentarian. I think it's much better to have a seperate election for a leader of the executive, using a condorcet method (using rankings to determine a candidate who would beat all other candidates in a 1 vs 1 race) to find a candidate that has broad support, who can then try to assemble a cabinet that is supported by the seperately elected parliament.

[@0ptic0p22]

im a programmer and why would i stay in germany WHEN THE HIGHEST STUDIED COURSE IN GERMAN PUBLIC UNI IS *GREEN INITIATIVES* IMAGINE GREEN PARTY FIGHTING NUCLEAR, imagine that

[@shyzunk]

There is no way I am giving the EU control of climate change and foreign policy. The less they have of each, the better. It's not some cute local curiosities we ned control of, it is precisely the topics you deem "in need of coordination" where individual nation states are impacted the most and need stronger tools to defend themselves, not any more delegation to EU-wide bullies.

[@claudium6769]

the EU needs a president directly elected by the people.

[@10hawell]

Directly so that 3 most populous countries decide and all other have to put up with it? Or would voted be weighed like US electrical college? - maybe more like Nebraska and Maine not like most states but still underpopulated areas get slightly overrepresentation to balance against dominant and detached from small town concerns urbanoids.