Could Today's Stars Survive the Old School NBA?

[@TheRiggedBA]

This is the follow-up, or prequel to this video for those who still don't quite understand that hand checking was illegal in the 80s and 90s: kzbin.info/www/bejne/inapYp-MmLp3e80

[@JesusVargas-zq2uu]

Youre a lebron nutthugger aren't ya?

[@TheRiggedBA]

@@JesusVargas-zq2uu Is that your way of trying to distract from the facts presented?

[@JesusVargas-zq2uu]

The fact is u made this whole video to back up lebron's gay flopping and you're riding his weiner like they do on ESPN and FS daily.

[@TheRiggedBA]

​@@JesusVargas-zq2uu That's not a fact at all. And since everybody flops and there are many who flop more often, it's interesting how you oddly single out LeBron. When Jordan throws himself backward so hard he skids out of bounds literally head over heels, is that a heterosexual flop?

[@edcor2578]

This video is rigged. I strongly believe that you did not watch the 80s. Let me tell you that during that era those players were though like nails. Beating, pushing, elbowing, fighting trash talking and much more. It seems to me that you don't know anything about the 80s..

[@theastralshepherd4335]

Michael Jordan FLOPPED!?!? WHAT!?!? SO UNHOLY!

[@TheRiggedBA]

It's like a scandal isn't it? I like how Jordan's flops range from really good to almost clownishly exaggerated.

[@Woozie894]

this is blasphemy

[@rashidallera759]

you mean lebron...flopped king LOL!

[@changkihong1377]

Because NBA made the new rules on flopping since end of 2013 seasons. When offensive or defensive players flops the refs just ignores it, so yeah flopping is no longer useful.

[@jctslice]

The Notorious G.T.M. So does LeBron and there's NO EXCUSE for a guy of his SIZE and STRENGTH to be FALLING TO THE FLOOR for NO DAMN REASON... Jordan was like 3 inches SHORTER and 60 pounds LIGHTER than LeBron... He has a LEGIT EXCUSE to FLOP... Plus, MJ EARNED the RIGHT to FLOP because he was 6-for-6 with SIX FINALS MVPs... What has LeBron done to give him the RIGHT to FLOP ? He's UNDER .500 in THE FINALS... Maybe if he stopped FLOPPING, he could WIN MORE FINALS

[@Brianp978]

Marcus Smart was born in the wrong generation. He would have been a legend in the 80's

[@osurocks24]

Why Marcus Smart necessarily? He shoots a lot of 3's which is a modern thing and is lazy on defense.

[@scoringmachine4694]

If Jimmy Butler played in the 90s he would be a superstar and first ballot hof

[@allenxavier6073]

@@osurocks24 wtf, Marcus Smart is lazy on defense? next you're gonna say, Beverly doesn't play defense.

[@schuylersavage276]

@@osurocks24 u just said Marcus smart is lazy on D. ...u really really just siad Marcus smart is lazy on D... U didn’t say he’s overhyped, not quite as good as people say( both factually incorrect imo but I could handle those takes) But no, u said he’s LAZy on D

[@Asian2706]

@@osurocks24 Saying he’s lazy on defense is like saying Kareem is bad on offense. Such a fucking dumbass.

[@andrewcook1246]

Bron would've avg 50ppg against GSW in the 2015 Finals if 90s ilegal defense rules were in place.

[@jsgr5382]

Some of those calls on Jordan were a complete joke

[@PaulDaTruthPierce]

Which ones exactly?

[@swishdipper4362]

@@PaulDaTruthPierce are you blind? The one where sprewell is guarding him for example.

[@neiils899]

Back in the day when players only use one hand to drible and the other hand is to punch someone who blocks the way.. lmao

[@cheyheyway6244]

Players back in the day would bring swords and shields and play with them. If you tried to drive you would get tackled and body and jumped. The opposing team shot rocket launchers at players during layups . GTFO!

[@jackyourmotherisapussyassc8565]

@@cheyheyway6244 players back in the day would laugh at your unfunny zoomer jokes😁

[@rafikz77]

😂 facts tbh

[@Carvis83]

@10:03 Dennis Rodman flew back like a canon ball hit him 😂😂😂

[@ABock4]

This video is genius. Great work! Someone needs to show this to Kenny Smith. He always talks about how today’s players couldn’t survive in his era because of the hand checking.

[@inquisitive.lurker]

I know he's so goddamn annoying.

[@edjaedavid6362]

Of course.. hand checking means you can actually push the players the way you want.. let's play basketball with hand checking and I tell you you will have hard time shooting 3's..

[@bigdawg8475]

edjae david steph curry kyrie irving dame dolla would shake any guard from the 90s gtfoh😂😂😂😂😂 they wouldn’t even know what to do

[@ABock4]

edjae david Yeah, but a truly elite guard is going to find a way to get where they need to get, hand checking or not. You can’t hand check elite speed/quickness all the way up and down the court. Also, I think people like yourself and Kenny miss this point: as a basketball player, you are a product of the era you play in. So if Steph Curry, for example, played in the 90s, he would have to add a few pounds of muscle to deal with the constant hand checking. He would of course do so, and would have the same impact on the game as he does today. He would still be elite. That’s what irks me about Kenny’s argument! You can’t just pluck a player from his current era of basketball, drop him in another and say, “He wouldn’t be able to make it cause of the hand checking.” It’s totally illogical.

[@nets4life377]

edjae david You also do realize that illegal defense required you to be with arms length while defending right? Those slow ass defenders of the 90s would get blown by easily with the advancement of athleticism in guards and the advancement of skill in dribble moves.

[@alekhine80]

As a basketball fan from Greece who is old enough to remember 90's basketball both in NBA and in europe i have to say that thiw video is pure gold...

[@gaspedalghost2171]

European Basketball is the Crap us Americans gotta watch now....can't take it

[@rafikz77]

@@gaspedalghost2171 because it’s too complex for you. You should stick to watching Nascar then

[@nonamewillbegiven6847]

Shutup troll

[@nonamewillbegiven6847]

@@rafikz77 troll

[@fluffymyato3334]

​@@rafikz77 the US won multiple gold medals in the olympics in a row. europeans must be seriously stupid if they can't figure out how to beat american basketball.

[@doctoranderson2009]

LeBron would have dominated the 80s and 90s

[@FrankWarrensLawyer]

If the refs allow it

[@Fitplayer66]

I find it hilarious when people try to argue guys like Steph, Klay, Durant etc. would get destroyed in the 80s and 90s.

[@Gwenasdf]

They would survive they would probably thrive

[@josephjoestar6679]

they would destroy showtime lakers 100%

[@dynamic6645]

@@josephjoestar6679 I wouldnt say "destroy" lol, warriors would beat the showtime lakers, but not easily.

[@josephjoestar6679]

@@dynamic6645 they will beat showtime lakers very easily, chef curry will brake Magic Johnson’s ankles easily

[@markibash2689]

@@josephjoestar6679 probably but it depends what type of advantage u wanna give magic to make up for the gap between his era and currys era cuz curry would go into the matchup with all this knowledge and technological advancements while you’re hypothetically throwing magic in blindly.

[@marcusg1021]

GREATEST KZbin CHANNEL EVER. truth is everything!

[@ak740_]

This video absolutely destroys every myth about the 80s and 90s. Well done.

[@Maal7432]

AK740 I just said the same thing. Lmao

[@MrCaudilloRecords]

it don't because the flagrant was made in the 90s because of the dirty plays players was doing. that what people mean when ever they mention things like lebron wouldn't have survived because he would be really crying after every hit to the head.

[@johncates812]

These clips are so cherry picked it isnt even funny. Go search a REAL 90s physical video.

[@MistahUnknown]

john cates He used numerous examples from the Pistons vs Bulls rivalry. Everyone knows that the Pistons were the most physical team at that time. This isn't cherry picked at all. He gave you video evidence.

[@REXX-STRONGSTYLE]

And therein lies the folder on what you're saying the video not the game film the video a 14 minute presentation of Clips taken set to rhetoric the order to sway your opinion it's no different than a political rally for either the left-wing or right-wing.... And we both know that either wing has nothing relevant to say about the absolute truth you want absolute truth go watch that actual games play foreplay and then compare that takes time and effort and sacrifice something that people today don't like doing so we'll just sit back and let some loud mouth on a 10 show tell you about what you should think or watch videos on KZbin and skim through them and then leave a comment as though you're an authority on the subject after watching a 40-minute video are you kidding me get real

[@airjones45]

crazy how a new rule can change the game. Jordan couldn't get passed the pistons next thing you know the flagrant foul rule is implemented and Jordan won a championship in the same year and never looked back

[@Maal7432]

Sloan Jackson But the Stans will ignore it and bring up new rule changes lmao

[@gloedup150]

Lmao I wonder how many championships Lebron would win if somebody could WWE slam him

[@tyrasic4103]

jmaal2345 6 Bcuz no one in that era would try to fight him

[@power_upxxx3913]

darius jones he wasnt in his prime tho

[@trentf4891]

darius jones He nba needed the flagrant rule. The basketball was impossible to watch when they would drag one player to the ground everytime they got the ball.

[@ImmaMyReaction]

Man I love this channel, constantly shutting down huge basketball misconceptions

[@FallacyUnknown]

48john agreed.

[@lornacharles8645]

48john AMEN😃

[@BusinessFirst17]

Agreed *2

[@power_upxxx3913]

48john it didnt shut nothing down thoe?

[@BusinessFirst17]

PoWer_UpXx x it shut down all the lies and extra fluff being put on the history of the game by the older generation. The older black generation always acts like nothing can top their era. Rather it's music or in this case basketball; there is always an over romanced view of the past!

[@HaroldVergara]

Vet players who's saying that 80s and 90 basketball is much tougher than today just want to imply that they played in much competitive era to indirectly say that they are much better player than todays player........ they just want to brag.....thats all

[@TheRiggedBA]

It's human nature.

[@carterbilbro4615]

Harold Vergara most of them wouldn’t make a roster

[@showx_2590]

Harold Vergara you high that’s all

[@HaroldVergara]

@@showx_2590 not really, you have some???

[@Riqharris]

Most of them weren’t skilled so it was a lot of defense and physicality

[@latterdei4357]

Oldhead logic: Good defense is fouling the shit out of a player any and every time they get past you. So therefore James Harden is the most locked-down player in the modern NBA Modern logic: good defense is actually staying in front of the guy you’re guarding so you don’t have to foul them every time they go to the basket

[@robertkicklighter583]

This isn’t necessarily the intent of the hard foul though. In poker sometimes you bluff with bad cards. The whole point is to get to the mental aspect. Sometimes on defense you want someone to feel your presence even while you aren’t there. Good defense can be more than just physical presence in front of you. Otherwise why would people discuss the bad boys at all or the broad street bullies?

[@FrankWarrensLawyer]

Modern logic is to stand around doing nothing while the other team shoots open bucks and still miss most of the time lol tf you on about. Just cope for how lame your era is and how nobody watching it like they did then.

[@qdakid7776]

@@FrankWarrensLawyerthe whole world is watching now my guy

[@Rroy20]

I don't even watch basketball anymore but I find your videos very entertaining and informative. Well done as always.

[@TheRiggedBA]

Thank you

[@SickoRed72]

Great video as always. Whenever I get into an Old School NBA vs New School NBA, Ill just refer them to this video

[@TheRiggedBA]

Thanks

[@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t]

Man With Vision facts lol

[@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t]

TheRiggedBA lol I love u bro. You keep shutting old heads up. I always refer ppl to ur videos

[@TheRiggedBA]

+Steph Curry The G.O.A.T W for you as always.

[@power_upxxx3913]

Man With Vision this video dont show much? Lebron himself flopped more then everyone in here put together

[@TyroneNBAFan]

This video is the 100% truth, especially the part about 95% of the 80's/90's references to the Bad Boy Pistons (about the eras toughness/physicality). I tell people all the time; *If the game was so brutal (league wide), why was the Pistons physicality such a shock to the league? Because the game was soft AF before the Pistons that's why.* They were an exception in the 80's, not the rule. Their style of play wasn't common.

[@TheRiggedBA]

+TyroneNBAFan Exactly. The crazy thing is, the 90s were my favorite era. But it's gotten to the point where I'm almost afraid to identify myself as a 90s fan because I don't want people to think I'm one of those crazy folks who think 90s basketball was players beating each other in the face with chains and bats and that there hasn't been a good player since Jordan retired. That type of nostalgic myth-making gives 90s fans a bad name in my opinion.

[@TyroneNBAFan]

TheRiggedBA​​ Same here. 90s was my favorite era also (started watching in 1993) but social media has turned me off to it a bit. I've enjoyed this current era and the 2000s just as much tbh. But yeah, the lazy fans (who just go off myths and narratives) are annoying. The funny part is you have kids today, downing their own era in favor of the 90s and don't know much about that era. They're using 90s myths in arguments to degrade "certain" players/teams.

[@RoninWaffle]

With the preface that this isn't something I get emotional about, let me weigh in... The Pistons were a shock to the league because the Pistons were literally looking to intentionally injure people at the rim. This is something that's been discussed and admitted to by multiple members of the organization since then. Hard fouls were part of the game before then, but not like this. Hard fouls weren't uncommon before Detroit, they were just... less hard. Like I said, guys like Laimbeer and Dumars specifically set out to injure players. Injuries happened as a result of hard fouls, but mostly by accident and much less frequently. I agree that their role in the reputation of their era is overstated sometimes. What's missed in this hard era vs. soft era conversation, somewhat, is the way fouls were actually administered (the way I remember, at least). You look at guys like James Harden now, who really wouldn't have had nearly as much to offer before practically every touch on a ballhandler became a shooting foul. That's the difference. It's not like people were karate chopping each other out of mid-air. And what handchecking did, in my memory, was basically let inferior defenders stay employed. Before Jordan came along as too much of an athlete to hold back with handchecking, it was just enough of a deterrent to keep most guards and wings out of the paint. It couldn't (and didn't) stop a freak athlete if he wanted to get by.

[@xman5473]

In the 70s the nba was going to shut down because of the number of fights. Rudy tomonavich the coach for the rockets on the 90s almost died on the court getting punched in the face. There was a fight almost every game in the 70s so in fact the nba had to make the game softer to appeal to the “white” fans. So yes the pistons were a shock but something the nba had seen on a daily basis 10 years before

[@tophighlitez6176]

ZXman u just made the point and made urself look foolish lol. Again u referenced “one” incident lol. And how about malace at the palace? But i dnt go around saying this nba’s is tougher than before.

[@Ludo045]

My god, i love this channel. NBA is full of mythology. It's necessary for their business. Which is really incredible. People are whinning that the BA is soft and stuff yet TV contract, TV audience keep increasing years after years only in the US. Which is even more incredible is that Players do actually believe these bullshit.. im talking about the old one.

[@hazelboymobb6584]

Ludo045 groupthink but I'm sure if you asked those same players & coaches in private you would get different answers but the thing with the NBA unlike other leagues it's the most individual driven of the team sports the players are the attraction not the teams thus the game is built around protecting the life blood of the league which we are the stars it's unfortunate but its been that way for a long time and will continue to be that way in the forseeable future

[@Ludo045]

Well, it's not like they're going to get outcast if they dont follow that ridiculous NBA mythology.. It's basketball not some political important stuff . In fact whether or not one believe or not the narrative, renforce the NBA mythology since people will stick to the mythology even harder every it will get challenge... So How the fuck can they even believe these bullcrap ? How the fuck can they believe you can become the GOAT just by your skill and 0 merchandising ?

[@yowter8265]

Well the old one was bribe by the NBA to protect Jordan's name.

[@stevenburas3647]

LUDO045 -This has not aged well...Maybe 3 years ago was the peak before the massive drop in ratings. Because the last two years were horrible and there is no light at the end. It is a broken league. Has been for quite some time.

[@sikecar534]

Mythology? Only mythology is that LBJ is the GOAT. Todays players wouldn't survive 20-30 years ago. That's why they've changed the rules so much and made the league full of floppers and 30-40 3 pt/atts. per team.

[@epicgames553]

You Came so fucking clutch today ma dude. you're easily the most intelligent basketball fan I have ever seen in my life. Thanks for this video.

[@epicgames553]

BTW that intro is funny AF.

[@TheRiggedBA]

+Nobody Touches LeBron Appreciated.

[@realatf1955]

TheRiggedBA Warriors for Psp was a great game just like the movie

[@Jason09_]

Wow i didn't know the nba inserted the flagrant foul rule in 1991. To me the only difference between today's era and 80's and 90's is illegal defense. Now you can play zone and limit scorers. The real question is could the stars of the 80's and 90's play now with zone defenses.

[@TheRiggedBA]

Yep. The flagrant foul rule was actually nicknamed "the Pistons Rule", since it was essentially created to get rid of them.

[@luissyquia]

i think stars would be able to play in any era; the rule changes affect the role players more - anthony mason has no place in today's league, they'll kill him on the PnR

[@erwin021777]

Jason Espinal softness and untouchable treatment of superstars started in Jordan's era to allow him and other dunkers to go to the basket at will. its why i dont like the bulls though he was exciting to watch. from then it just got softer and softer. hand checking was hardly called in the 80's. the ones that will have a hard time with "zone" are iso players and those who rely in going to the basket. there are those who could play or exploit today's rules like Bird, McHale, Isiah Thomas, Mullin, Cooper, B. Scott, McAdoo, M. Price, R. Miller to name a few. If players today like Thomas, harden and Westbrook could score 20-50 points in a game what would prevent Jordan from doing so? anyway, both Jordan and Lebron have untouchable and favorable treatment that is very unfair and very annoying. without it Jordan maybe 4-2 in finals and lebron 1-6 or even 0-7

[@Jason09_]

erwin021777 Not really lebron gets no calls from the refs when he goes to the basket and he gets fouled almost every time he drives to the rim. No way jordan's field goal percentage is 50% for a career against zones.

[@jmoneyfosho5092]

players would double team anyway in that era

[@Azraeluchiha999]

Notice how in the 80s and 90s, they consistently dribble with one hand and never switch. They were limited and very fundamental. It would be basic and predictable today.

[@Joloham]

@Drink Me ur that dumbass old prick that would disagree on this

[@Azraeluchiha999]

@@thenamelessyeti4583 What do you mean by adapt. I'm talking about taking 90s players and putting them in the game without tweaking their game to make them modern. If they did adapt it wouldn't make a difference. Jordan wouldn't have 6 rings, Kareem Abdul jabbar wouldn't be shooting 3s, and shaq still couldn't make a free throw. Michael could benefit the most but he'd only be as good as DeMar Derozan. Shaq would be too big and slow to adjust to the rhythm of today's game. Larry bird would be average, maybe Gordan Hayward at best. Either it wouldn't affect the game that much.

[@davidhall4401]

@@Azraeluchiha999 Jordan would still be Jordan today. He came back in the early 2000s when Kobe was in his prime and was having 40 and 50 point games and he was 40 years old. The early 2000s was right before the 2010s and current players such as LeBron were in the early 2000s. So we were able to get a glimpse of what prime Michael would do in today's NBA if he was 40 years old averaging near 25 points a game. You should never be allowed to talk basketball again. You said he would be like DeMar Derozen

[@Terror832]

To be fair the dribbling rules were a lot stricter. That’s why the players in the 80s seemed to dribble with their right hand and rarely did you see crossovers or ankle breakers. When the 90s hit the dribbling rules became slightly looser and in the late 90s when Iverson came he really changed the game somewhat. He was carrying the ball like crazy and people thought it was flashy and cool and so it led to these dynamic guards that we know today.

[@davidhall4401]

@@Terror832 absolutely the dribbling rules were a lot stricter years ago. Guys had to keep their hands completely on top of the ball. That was the rule for dribbling back then. It wasn't because they sucked. Plus coaches weren't giving players the freedom to do anything flashy. Also rules in general were so strict at one point that dudes were not allowed to dunk in games for a brief period. I know athleticism has gotten better, but there were dudes with hops back in the day too. Also the style of ball handling we see now with ankle breakers wasn't as foreign to those players as people think. A lot of dudes played street ball back then and when they played on the playground they would let loose. Back in the day the criteria for dudes to make it to the league was different, which is why you used to always hear that the best players were dudes that didn't get the opportunity to play in the league.

[@TheRiggedBA]

I knew that nostalgists were overfocused on hand checking, but I didn't know the full psychological extent of it. I made this video showing that hand checking wasn't allowed in the 80s or 90s. They can literally see hand check fouls being called, but it's like their minds can't process it. They just mentally block out the game film and send me messages with links to quotes and clips of people talking about hand checking instead, and insist that it was legal. And it's always the same clip and cut and pasted quotes. I think I might make a follow-up to this video to address it, just because I'm tired of romanticists always sending me this stuff like it's the first time.

[@MistahUnknown]

Spot on. You should totally make a follow-up video addressing it. Men lie, women lie, but NBA film don't. They can't handle the truth. Heck, you might as well use those same exact messages in that follow-up video that they've been sending you.

[@knowitall3892]

If nothing is different why didn’t they score 150 in early 2000

[@sirm.a.r.s4640]

You got a new subscriber. I'm all here for this. I'm tired of this

[@jamyateam3187]

😂😂😂 it shows u how America can brainwash ppl to believe anything literally anything

[@jordan7985]

One of the best videos

[@nonamewillbegiven6847]

Says no one

[@zack1610]

Now that I think about it, the 90s had a good collection of star players but that's it. The role players back then were so one dimensional and did not have a lot of talent. Look at all the teams. There was hardly any depth. A lot of those role players would not make it in today's NBA besides maybe Robert Horry. The only knock today is that it's not as physical as everyone keeps saying but it's not the players fault

[@BuddyMac69]

zack16 the reason they had those stars is because of illegal defense.

[@badtuber1654]

yeah , those star players, would obliterate todays nba, I think that its today there is less talent

[@nbastalgiacritic1751]

@@badtuber1654 youre joking right? there was more post play back then, but stretching the floor is all too common today. that statement was very idiotic and ignoring evolution.

[@badtuber1654]

@@nbastalgiacritic1751 kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJWspohom86rqJo

[@derekbeck7586]

Todays players on shoot 3s thats it. No post or foot work game. You cant play defense either

[@TheRiggedBA]

On a related note, the Celtics and Wizards have been physically beating the shit out of each other. Guys are walking around with blood literally pouring out of them, "accidental" blows to head on lay-up contests, and Brazilian jujitsu-style hand checking. It's only by a minor miracle that John Wall didn't crack his wrist from a(nother) dirty play by Bill LaimOlynyk. If it hasn't already happened, at some point teams may have to start executing the Dexter Pittman Protocols and just have some 12th man off the bench come into the game specifically to knock Olynyk's head off.

[@georgie2844]

TheRiggedBA do you think the script is turned on and cavs will comeback?

[@huluyeye8645]

TheRiggedBA the nba will fine those teams million of dollars for that

[@erik666111]

It's not about the rules. It's about the fuckin passion in the 90s. Look at Bulls vs Knicks series or Knicks vs Miami or Jazz vs Suns ... I mean the intense was on another level. The desire for the win was on another level. Without bitching, without quitting in 4th quarter "cause my team sucks", without flopping etc.etc. The level of that desire to win was too much for these boys today

[@TheRiggedBA]

+ hulu yeye What fines did they get?

[@TheRiggedBA]

+ makaveli g But the rules are what most old school fanatics lie about to prop the 90s up. In terms of physicality, the 90s were nothing like the tall tales people spin about them today. As far as intensity, that's a different issue and I would agree that it was higher in the past. Players were allowed to show more emotion. But there's no need for such revisionist history. Players didn't bitch in the 90s? Really? C'mon now. That's just a silly thing to say. Of course players bitched in the 90s. All the damn time. Even more than they do today because today you get fined for it. And obviously they flopped in the 90s too. I'm a 90s fan, but that doesn't mean you have to try to romanticize it into something it wasn't. And you don't have to cling to the past by trashing later eras. I personally like the 90s more than current NBA in terms of entertainment, but I wouldn't ignore three decades of sports evolution and act like 90s players were actually *better* and today's players couldn't hang with them. The skill sets and athleticism of today's players are well advanced beyond the 90s players. It's a natural progression.

[@CopycatNinja875]

You do a good job disputing narratives that are constantly being spewed by most fans and analysts. Its funny how a lot these old heads and basketball elitists love spewing their crap about the 80s and 90s defense being tougher when they ignore the fact that their idol michael jordan was the most protected player in nba history. If you look at the stats, teams from the 80s and early 90s have higher FG%, PPG, and Offensive Efficiency compared to the teams of the today which nullifies the nostalgic crap that most old heads spew.

[@TheRiggedBA]

+The Copycat Ninja When I started watching 80s games on KZbin, I was immediately shocked at how porous the defense was and how generally soft the games were called. I was expecting to see a bunch of rugged guys grinding it out in a slugfest, but it was mostly just touch fouls and out of shape players(relative to today) running up and down the court shooting with little resistance. The game scores were astronomical compared to anything I was used to seeing. It was almost like they weren't even trying to stop each other. So I just couldn't take the "physicality" myths seriously anymore.

[@CopycatNinja875]

It's ironic how fans complain about the lebron era heat and current warriors team having an up tempto and finesse style of play. Teams in the 80s played the same style of basketball

[@stonejackballer482]

Most protected? Youve celrly not watched many games of his where he is slammed and hammered by defenses.

[@bruhmomentwhyamidoingthis4687]

StoneJackBaller Half of those times were from the fucking bad boy pistons

[@N-Ice_]

@@bruhmomentwhyamidoingthis4687 probably even more than half

[@frankdux3605]

3:56 Laimbeer would have been ejected for sure today. Then Adam Silver would have had him arrested in the tunnel on the way out

[@TheRiggedBA]

+Frank Dux Or not. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKOohXmdq6uqj5Y There is no real consistency, which is one of the reasons the "soft" generalization falls short of being true.

[@jmarcguy]

Just a matter of taste which style of game you prefer. I grew up watching guys constantly post up & attack the rim. The best shot is a close one. That was the thinking. The players today are amazing but I'll never get used to the outside shot being so dominant. Teams are much deeper today. If you don't know a team, it's tough to identify the stars because it's much more of a team game. Not knocking it at all but I love my 80's & 90's NBA.

[@JohnJohn-pm9wq]

Ever wonder why a sloth like Luka dominates the overrated athletic NBA? Because defense sucks, and Luka is a sound basketball player, he mastered the footwork and fundamentals. Luka Doncic said it is easier for him to score in the NBA than in Europe because of the 3s violation. This is proof that 90's NBA was much tougher compared to today's NBA. That's how disgraceful today's NBA is

[@genny9410]

@@JohnJohn-pm9wq bro you clearly didn't watch the full video...

[@zimbobway3137]

spoken like a true casual @@JohnJohn-pm9wq

[@amattchronism]

enlightening stuff, as always

[@user-oi9dn4ej5g]

I think it’s that most players back then weren’t afraid to get physical or dirty in comparison to modern players

[@Gwenasdf]

You gotta take into account the endorsement deals they lose those they lose majority of there money they signed a contract

[@markibash2689]

Yeah but then again refs don’t allow them to. Some might say, “big deal... commit the foul and move on if you really love physical basketball”. At the end of the day, players play to win. Physical basketball can only go as far as the refs allow them to go considering they can literally eject someone with two consecutive whistles. I think it says a lot when today’s league, though so player driven, is not enough to confront or change the officiating of the game. I’m pretty sure Damian lillard would’ve loved to build up some muscle before his playoff matchup against westbrook and going at it all series long instead of settling for a series ending 3 point shot on Paul George to do the talking for him.

[@carterbilbro4615]

@@markibash2689 Jordan is the reason for that. They did everything possible to make him win so when he left they were stuck with a “softer” league

[@markibash2689]

@@carterbilbro4615 yeah Idk perhaps that is the case but there was still room for physicality in the 00s all the way until Adam silver became commissioner and Stephen curry helped revolutionize the game with insane efficiency from deep

[@DemonKing-oi4jd]

@@markibash2689 The league got soft after Kobe retired. Simple as that, he was the last of the old school superstars. Just watch an all star game with Kobe in it and one since he retired. The only competitive one was after his passing in remembrance...

[@danotarola111]

More people need to see this. Just today I saw Tim Hardaway talking about how the NBA is "soft" today and how it was much rugged back then. I've seen plenty of games on ESPN Classic back in the day, and besides Flagrant fouls, it's really not that different than today's NBA.

[@JohnJohn-pm9wq]

Ever wonder why a sloth like Luka dominates the overrated athletic NBA? Because defense sucks, and Luka is a sound basketball player, he mastered the footwork and fundamentals. Luka Doncic said it is easier for him to score in the NBA than in Europe because of the 3s violation. This is proof that 90's NBA was much tougher compared to today's NBA. That's how disgraceful today's NBA is

[@dynamic6645]

@@JohnJohn-pm9wq and Michael Jordan said that zones would have changed his NBA career, he averaged 30 in an era of no defense, and got tons of phantom foul calls

[@dynamic6645]

@@JohnJohn-pm9wq Luka is averaging 26 ppg with better 3 point shooting in an era of zones where penetration is harder, he is averaging 35 ppg in the 90's, there was no handchecking and no zones

[@JohnJohn-pm9wq]

@@dynamic6645 Penetration is harder? do you study the game or you just know things in theory? we don't have flagrants today as legal defense, game isn't tightly contested like before. Defenders are very limited to what they can do therefore making way for easier offense, we are all time low in blocks, steals and DPYO. Luka said in his recent interview that it is easier to score in the NBA than in europe due to change in defensive rules. Euro still uses rules from the 90's like no 3s violation that makes penetration harder

[@genny9410]

@@dynamic6645 and also playmaker and getting rebounds, instead of just giving a fuck about scoring like MJ. You gotta watch the short on KZbin where Phil Jackson admits that Pippen is a better player than Jordan, and Jordan is just a scorer when he has the ball. Searching on KZbin

[@denism.2590]

Nice video, dude. Step-by-step destruction of "old school" NBA stereotypes) I actually also thought that back then bball was much more tougher. Thanks for the clarifications!

[@johncates812]

These clips are so cherry picked it isnt even funny. Go search a REAL 90s physical video.

[@ericxu1242]

@@johncates812 Stop copying and pasting the same thing

[@madmartigan8774]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXfJoGScj7l-ebc That's 90's basketball. Most of the techincals in that video are harder than the flagrants call in the these cherry picked clips.

[@TheRiggedBA]

@@madmartigan8774 Um, 90% of those are just regular fouls and ordinary contact. Some of them are just players literally running or jumping into standing defenders. There are a few actual hard fouls, but they got penalized accordingly as flagrants. Weird how that happens.

[@madmartigan8774]

@@TheRiggedBA They're not regular fouls by today's standards. You get called for a foul today by just brushing up against a person driving to the paint. Numerous retired nba stars and commentators have agreed that the nba is no where near as physical as it used to be. But I guess you know more than them.

[@Stunt877]

Man you need to come back players today are so much better now it’s ridiculous

[@tyrasic4103]

I love this. Old heads are Delusional. Subscribed 👍👍 Keep the Content Coming

[@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t]

Highschool LBJ better than Overated prime MJ facts they are seriously the most retarded group of ppl ever

[@TheRiggedBA]

Some of them really are. The claims about the level of physicality just get ridiculous at times. Nostalgia has almost completely detached them from reality.

[@shauncameron8390]

I'm an old head and I approve of you post.

[@stonejackballer482]

LMao....your screen name is as ignorant as it gets. New heads are are soft and love defenseless basketball.

[@tartuffethesprywonderdog5883]

Wow. The idiocy is strong in this thread.

[@huluyeye8645]

Bill Laimbeer=Kristaps Porzingis with kung fu moves

[@Maal7432]

The 80s 90s era got exposed. Lmfao. Jordan was flopping too. Lmfao. TRUTH HURTS.

[@realatf1955]

jmaal2345 Jordan was in a watered down league

[@Maal7432]

Bean SquadReflex Facts. Beat no all-time teams. No wings players in the 90s was even close to him at scoring skill set. If he played in the 00s and 10s, he'd be playing a whole lot more defense against prolific scorers. Kobe, LeBron, Durant, Melo, Vince, TMac, Pierce, Ray Allen, Harden, Wade, DeRozen, Iverson, PG, Butler, Kawhi. No wing player in the 90s averaged 30, except Jordan. That's crazy.

[@Woozie894]

jmaal2345 Bruh so the supersonics Jazz rockets suns 1980s lakers pistons and etc wernt challenging over this 17 year span the only teams being in the finals is was Spurs lakers and miami and nets and dallas all of those teams were the first seed the rockets and sonics wernt even in the 1st and still destoryed the nba

[@Maal7432]

Demarioshow1 The Jazz, Rockets, Sonics and Spurs were not all time TEAMS. Idk why you mentioned The Spurs. David was the only player on that team would would make the league now. Rodman, yes. That's it. Overrated squads.

[@Maal7432]

Demarioshow1 Lakers were old and hobbled in '91. Pistons were old in '91.

[@Hoop_World]

The players back then were not as skilled as today i dont care what anybody says

[@ezekwu]

FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@korimaoist1122]

exactly, but its a different era

[@modo3154]

Well, Jordan is more skilled and better than any player today, yesterday and tomorrow...

[@charleslockley9264]

In what way? Post players back then were waaaaay better than today's post players. Plus they had as many, if not more superstar players back then: Jordan, Bird, Johnson, Olajuwon, Drexler, Iverson, etc. Their superstars could more than hold their own against today's superstars, plus they didn't have to try to team up and create super teams just to win championships.

[@Noname-fr8rz]

modo 31 not Kawhi lebron Giannis kd curry Paul George Anthony Davis embiid Jokic klay jordan is better than all but they are more skilled yes I said klay is more skilled than mj

[@Smartboi302]

10:35 that was the worst flop I’ve ever seen lmao #90sdefense

[@nonamewillbegiven6847]

Thats not a flop you m/oron

[@legendarywiimaster]

That’s a Marcus Smart flop

[@nonamewillbegiven6847]

@@legendarywiimaster thats not a flop 1d1ot

[@144Souldier]

​@@nonamewillbegiven6847 Flopped his ass off clown

[@TheRiggedBA]

I haven't seen Game 1 yet, but watching Game 2 and now 3 of the 2018 Finals I couldn't help but chuckle at all the times I see people say Steph Curry and LeBron James wouldn't be nearly as good with hand checking and how they only do so much today because "you can't touch'em!". Meanwhile, in reality, Curry is getting hand checked every time he catches someone on a switch. Cross-defenders are so afraid of getting shook that they immediately reach out and try to bar his movement. Hand checking is part of the game and typically not worth mentioning, but some of this stuff is a little extreme. They're hand checking LeBron like they're trying to move furniture.

[@YoutubeSugit]

TheRiggedBA are you ever gonna start uploading again?

[@TheRiggedBA]

I plan to, yeah.

[@MistahUnknown]

Do you think you can make a video pointing out some of these handchecks from these past few final series?

[@TheRiggedBA]

+Mistah Unknown I think I will.

[@MistahUnknown]

TheRiggedBA It would be nice to have a video to link to people who want to make false claims of "you can't hand-check in this era like back in the good old days". Thanks for taking into consideration. I love the content you put out. Keep it up.

[@Chairman7w]

This is wonderful! I've been saying that for years and it's great to have a video to back it up. Well done, OP.

[@TheRiggedBA]

Thanks!

[@predragmarinkovic2716]

One can find 50 Lebron James mid-range field goals made, on videos, collect them, edit them, show it to some kid 20 years from now and say:''Look, he was the king of mid-range game''. Just like one can, in a same way make a video of Kobe Bryant with his 50 drives to the hoop that he made (mostly dunks) and his 50 missed shots after ridiculous attempts from mid-range, show it to the same kid and say: ''And as you see, Mamba new only how to drive to the hoop, and did not have a clue on mid-range game''. Lesson learned.

[@bucky90269]

Good video, thanks for putting the time in. Make more!!!

[@inquisitive.lurker]

9:59 I always always mention REggie Miller, for one, as a huge flopper. There was no flop of Miller bigger than during the final game of Pacers-Pistons 2004.

[@kiethan4100]

The question is can the old stars survive now

[@Terror832]

Some players from the 80s/90s can still be great but the majority of them would not be as good as they were back then. The 90s were largely dominated by big lumbering centers who dominated in the post. But due to the implementation of zone defenses it’s made post up play much harder and iso play much harder in general.

[@kenoihall48]

@@Terror832 the answer is no

[@vadimslarionovs5422]

The real question is - is your IQ higher than the likes you received on this comment?

[@kenoihall48]

@@vadimslarionovs5422 yes

[@kristion9774]

“Brawling 76ers, Pistons Fined $162,500 : NBA: Laimbeer, Barkley draw $20,000 assessments, one-game suspensions in the record punishment package. April 21, 1990|From Associated Press Detroit's Bill Laimbeer and Philadelphia's Charles Barkley, the main protagonists in a brawl during an NBA game Thursday in Auburn Hills, Mich., were suspended for one game and fined $20,000 each Friday as the league assessed a record $162,500 in penalties. The Pistons' Scott Hastings was suspended for a game and fined $10,000 for punching Barkley. Five players from each team were fined $500 each for coming off the bench to enter the melee, which began with 15 seconds to play, and each team was fined $50,000 for failing to control its players. The league also fined Detroit's Isiah Thomas $7,500 for throwing two punches at Philadelphia's Rick Mahorn in an incident that resulted in Thomas' ejection with less than four minutes remaining. "I don't care if I get fined," Barkley said before the fines were announced. "I make $3 million. What's a couple of thousand dollars?" NBA Vice President Rod Thorn said Laimbeer was suspended and fined for instigating the altercation and fighting. Barkley, who has been ejected five times this season, was penalized for fighting and Hastings for coming off the bench and throwing punches. It was a sour ending to a sweet night for the 76ers, who beat Detroit, 107-97, to win their first Atlantic Division championship since 1983--the year Philadelphia won its last NBA championship. The brawl came when Mahorn scored and was fouled by Dennis Rodman. When Laimbeer retrieved the ball, he shoved it in Mahorn's face, then stiff-armed his former Piston teammate in the chest. Barkley then landed punches to Laimbeer's face, and both benches emptied. Hastings punched Barkley during the melee. "It started when Laimbeer put the ball in Mahorn's face," referee Jake O'Donnell said. Said Piston Coach Chuck Daly: "I think it has been brewing since early in the season. Barkley has been challenging Laimbeer. Mahorn got in a couple of fights." "I guess it was just the intensity of the moment," said Mahorn, who also was involved in a shoving incident with Joe Dumars before his fracas with Thomas. "I guess it was going to happen. I felt they got frustrated. Isiah swung at me and hit me, so I mean, hey, just got to keep playing and keep focusing. It's that type of game." "I've never seen anything like that in the NBA," 76er Coach Jim Lyman said. Pistons reserve guard Gerald Henderson, a former 76er, called it the worst fight he has seen. articles.latimes.com/1990-04-21/sports/sp-1312_1_nba-game

[@dynamic6645]

Video doesn't lie mate, handchecking was illegal in the Jordan era, quotes aren't proof, you just throwing out a bunch of people talking. turth and facts hurt 😂

[@kristion9774]

@@dynamic6645 he fase down, as up, that’s the way you like to get but fked 🤷

[@dynamic6645]

@@kristion9774 Don't be mad cos truth and facts hurt 😂😂👌👌

[@kristion9774]

@@dynamic6645 MJ avg 15.0 more points per game in 92 playoffs with Pippen > Pippen’s 2.6 more rebounds, .9 more assists, .4 more blocks. What are you, someone suffering from a learning disability? MJ also lead in steals, FT%, 3PFG%, and FG% in the 1992 playoffs. The 3rd bulls scorer didn’t avg 15.0 points per game for the 1992 playoffs.

[@kristion9774]

@@dynamic6645 Asked in July if he could defend Jordan under today’s interpretation of the rules, Dumars first laughed, then offered a long pause before replying, “It would have been virtually impossible to defend Michael Jordan based on the way the game’s being called right now.” Rod Thorn “It’s more difficult now to guard the quick wing player who can handle the ball,” Thorn said of the change. “I think it helps skilled players over someone who just has strength or toughness. What the NBA is trying to do is promote unimpeded movement for dribblers or cutters.” Pippen: The defensive rules, the hand checking, the ability to make contact on a guy in certain areas, the ability to come over in the lane to stop guys from getting to the basket, that's all been taken away from the game. There is no contact up on the floor. The way I played Magic Johnson in the '91 Finals, I would have fouled out the first time down court. To compare how someone would have played Michael Jordan, Chuck Daly would send someone to wear him down. Even though he may get 30 or 40 points, they're going to be a hard 30 points. But in today's game, you can't put that physical wear and tear on a guy. Stu Jackson (the man behind the new rules) The hand check has always been a part of pro basketball. What we have done is interpret the hand check slightly different in that, if a defender has what I’ll refer to as a “stayed hand” on the defender, e.g. with a stiffened elbow, a foul on the defense would be called if it affects the offensive player's speed, rhythm or balance. It's been five years since we really began to interpret the hand check in this way, and we continue to focus on enforcement. Three years ago, before the ’04-05 season, we also began to really interpret and enforce the forearm and body check, where by we had defenders either placing a hand or a forearm on an offensive player’s shoulder or hip in an effort to slow them down and give them a defensive advantage in terms of sliding in front of the offensive player. When we disallowed that - the use of the hand, the use of the forearm to the shoulder, the hip, the body - that in conjunction with the hand check interpretation started to give offensive players on the perimeter more offensive freedom. It doesn't. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim.

[@emmanuelenyinwa1443]

Watching the Warriors manhandle the Blazers yesterday, you could clearly see that Jordan's brand of iso ball would not work today. The Warriors made a DELIBERATE effort to "ut a wall of defenders" in front of both Lilliard and McCollum, just like the Mavs did against LeBron in 2011. THAT LeBron struggled against that, but he adapted by studying it and finding a way to beat it. Jordan may well have eventually done the same, but he would have had to develop other skills from those he had, which was jab step and open 15 footer or post up against quick little guards. Whether he would have been able to do that is debatable. One thing that is not is that Jordan would not have dominated the NBA without a reliable 3 point shot and a higher offensive IQ, both of which he never exhibited.

[@mylesjones3134]

2 years later warriors still manhandling those boys

[@charleslockley9264]

Don't forget, Phil Jackson was Jordan's coach back then. One of the greatest coaches of all time. He would have found a way to dissect the Warriors wall defense. Plus when you have Jordan, it will draw attention to him and give others open shots. He did have several 3 point shooters on his team you know. You're thinking the Bulls won with one player. Not so. They had good teams.

[@carloconopio5994]

@@charleslockley9264 90s game more iso.modern game team play

[@nbastalgiacritic1751]

Charles Lockley oh, i forgot. Jordan can go up against 4 hall of famers and he can “just finall a way to win?” Foh. The bulls would’ve been swept by the 2018 cavs.

[@natayeholyfield9877]

Greatest video I've seen every time my dad wants to say anything about The 90's this will be brought uo

[@traevonhennessy2813]

Please tell me how anyone from the 80s or 90s could check LeBron 6'8 250LBS, Karl Towns, KP, Curry, Durant a 7 foot SF with guard skills. Come on it's absurd to think that. The game is so skilled now a days . I would love to see Karl Malone or Hakeem try to come out and guard Towns on the perimeter he'd have 50

[@TheRiggedBA]

Well I'd say that's the problem. Skillwise, I think a lot of old school fanatics would acknowledge that 80s and 90s players wouldn't be able to guard those modern players. So to make themselves feel better about it, they create tales of an increasingly imaginary level of physicality to counter that. That way they can say that in the 80s and 90s defenders would just clothesline the modern player or kick them in the face to stop them from scoring.

[@traevonhennessy2813]

TheRiggedBA for sure they want to make it seem like they were in the WWE back then

[@TheGaara802]

Some of the people in the comment section is so butt hurt that their little myth is proven wrong, whether you are 5 or 50 years old, you provide video evidence that can't be disproved, while the sad big babies cry about their fake cage fighting basketball myth. Of course some of them are trolls and fake accounts just to start arguments.

[@johncates812]

These clips are so cherry picked it isnt even funny. Go search a REAL 90s physical video.

[@MistahUnknown]

john cates Did you watch this video at all?

[@TheSands83]

Myth..cherry picking a few calls...we watched the actual games n not highlights n a few plays here or there. Reason why they started callin cus it was so physical n getting out of hand. Guys like kobe who played in 90s and modern nba straight up say 90s was morw phtsical n today is weak

[@irishjuwan]

Spoken like a young buck .... u don’t know what u don’t know ... typical of this generation to take out of context clips and somehow craft a bullshit hypothesis around them ...

[@hpmlucci7553]

Video evidence > an old head’s exaggerated experience to make his life seem more interesting

[@samtimokereke]

You bouta start consistent uploading?👀

[@TheRiggedBA]

+Scary Sight Heh. You never know.

[@TyroneNBAFan]

Thank you for this vid (seriously). It's much appreciated for fans who are sick of the BS myths about 80's/90's physicality vs. todays game.

[@HdTr1cKZzZ]

TheRiggedBA what you think about the playoffs now and the finals a while back I had asked you and it's changed a lot

[@terrellcole6281]

TyroneNBAFan I know right. That shit irritates me. You remind me of this nigga I know from G+. Hes a knowledgeable NBA fan too

[@nbastalgiacritic1751]

Alfredo Duro cuz the Jordan cultists broke it.

[@resttrashtalker1413]

Another example of ESPN brainwashing people is how there's an attempt to bring back that Kobe>LeBron after Stephen A. said it or sth. For those 2 past years Kobe has been downgraded to "Kobrick" and "Shaq sidekick", but all of a sudden there are Kobe highlights videos with the top comments saying that it was never unclear that Kobe is better than LeBron. Lol if ESPN can dictate what people think is true with just one month of propaganda, I have lost every hope for basketball intelligence on people..

[@TheRiggedBA]

To be honest, I already lost my hope once I saw ESPN successfully propagate the idea that LeBron carrying his team to the Finals and losing is somehow worse than Michael Jordan not being able to get his team out of the 1st Round. They had/have some people literally thinking that not being good enough to reach the Finals is better than being good enough to make it. If you can make people to believe that, then you can make them believe anything.

[@elfullin]

Yup and Jordan was going up against all time great teams, with not 1 other allstar. LeBron was going up against who in the first round? or even second? You can say anything to make someone sound better than they actually are. Jordan had incredible stats and put up insane numbers but the teams he was going up against were just better. LeBron took his team to the Finals in 07 because the East was weak. The Detroit serious was amazing for him, but go look up the game to game box scores and tell me he didn't have help. He had people that stepped up, so don't get it twisted, and then he shrunk in the Finals, where other starters had better averages and games than him in the previous series' that the spurs played against. Then he loses to Dallas, with horrible averages again, comes back to beat the Thunder which he played amazing in, then wins to Spurs, and I won't bring up and fully talk about that Ray Allen shot, then he loses to the Spurs, and gets 60% of his stats when being down 15 or more, while other stars played better than him when the game was close, he leaves Miami and goes to the Cavs, he loses vs the Warriors and yes he had an amazing finals because he was the only one playing, very true, but statistically that warriors team wasn't better than 2 finals teams that Jordan played against, and to be fair LeBron didn't have any help, so he went nuts and I liked that, then he comes back the next year and wins vs them, and I won't say nothing about Draymond getting hurt and Bogut and all that because honestly that's just what "ifs" and he won it so he deserved it, and then he lost to Golden State last year, and Durant to me played extremely well vs him. Durant wanted to guard him while LeBron didn't, and you can watch the whole series to find that out for yourself. He had an amazing finals but he lost so. All great players want to do one thing, and that's to win. For years we'e measured greatness with rings, and skills, and by far Jordan is still #1. Kareem has the most points but we know Jordan is the better scorer and player, Stockton has the most steals but we know Jordan is the better defense. So LeBron will end up with more points than Jordan even though he's 2,000 away and Jordan got 32k 32 games less than it took lebron to get 30k. LeBron has more rebounds because he plays the 3 and sometimes the 4, and the league is shorter and more flexible than before. He is a better passer than MJ out of consistency, but Jordan is a great passer as well, and defensively it's not even close, Jordan is better. The man had more skills, LeBron is in a league where you legit can't touch no body, the floor is extremely open, which makes everything easier on you. While I do think LeBron will be great in the 90's, I think that mentally he would struggle, the point is that, you are wrong on some occasions, and right on others, but ultimately, I don't think you're being honest, people have an agenda when they talk, or make videos like this, it's clear what yours is, and you can say I have one also, because to some extent, that's true, but LeBron is my favorite player, and even I know Jordan is better, so I know I'm not biased. I love the way LeBron plays, and I model my game after him, and it's easier, I've tried to copy Jordan, and it's legit impossible. Just too good at fundamental basketball, and too purely athletic, it's scary.

[@Mac1Camp]

TheRiggedBA Don’t forgery the teams Jordan played in the playoffs had losing records. Nobody brings that up though 😂. Won’t fit their narrative on Jordan

[@MistahUnknown]

Melvin Olaverria goo.gl/RNbf8F

[@ravenpanganibanlim8170]

Yes they are so unlucky with the fans with so much hate on them. If they make a certain wrong move literally all fans will hate u mj is lucky tho.

[@fanofthebusiness2666]

You are doing great work

[@mikem591]

That Flagrant foul rule was the key to Jordan getting passed the Pistons. It basically ended the Pistons reign and hindered the Knicks from becoming the ‘New Pistons’, though big part of it was they were simply less talented. The Pistons were sort of ‘talented thugs’ who had a superstar/leader in Isiah Thomas and a lot of tough clutch player who did well in crunch time -VJohnson, Dumars, even Lambeir. They were mentally tough and had talent. The Knicks had great players, but were ‘shaky’ during crunch. You put Hakeem, instead of Ewing, and a clutch shooting guard on the Knicks and they win a couple championships.

[@Ma1q444]

Defense was way worse back then just look up mj 63 point game on the Celtics and just look at the defense

[@treyvonnerobinson]

It’s not the defense; it’s the fact that they just couldn’t guard Mike because he’s too good

[@jamyateam3187]

@@treyvonnerobinsonor because everybody is slow and not athletic compared to him he had easy competition u just said it yourself

[@yowter8265]

It means it is harder to defend in the 90's but it is easier to score, but now it is harder to score and it is easier to shut down star players.

[@TheRiggedBA]

Exactly.

[@fangzification]

Well, after watching this video, I think the only players allowed to talk about handchecking are George Gervin, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor etc. to name a few.

[@izraeltoo8509]

old insecure men tryna keep their era the best

[@TheRiggedBA]

Basically.

[@inquisitive.lurker]

I hate the physicality argument. It assumed people are soft because of the generational difference and not because of the SYSTEM they are working in. Of COURSE today's players could play back then, and potentially be more effective.

[@gstack5739]

U jst earn new subscriber bro...We all deserve to know the truth behind all these myths🥰

[@showtimenick824]

Great video although I thought hand checking actually became illegal after the 2003-04 season. At least that’s what I found when I looked it up myself.

[@johnconnor210]

The NBA was much harder in the 80s and 90s. Yes fouls were called but now if you just look at a player the ref blows the whistle. Today's league is soft.

[@Terror832]

Touch fouls are nothing new. Sometimes referees make errors and did you know there were *more* fouls called and *more* free throw attempts per game back then versus today. Not to mention superstars always get superstar treatment and Jordan is the biggest example of it. For your last statement, 60s players thought the 70s was soft, 70s players thought the 80s was soft, 80s players thought the 90s was soft and so forth. I bet 2010s players and fans will say the 2020s is soft.

[@kylejones4152]

I swear people act like 80s and 90s defense was like UFC...

[@thetruthaboutthemostoverra2795]

The real question if those guys could survive in todays nba

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

If only someone could stop MJ from averaging 30 ppg from 1984-2003 lol.

[@thetruthaboutthemostoverra2795]

@@NothingElseMattersJM ur delusional if u think that

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@thetruthaboutthemostoverra2795 Think what ?

[@nonamewillbegiven2826]

More like are today's nba surviving those guys. Troll

[@Terror832]

Of course. Lots of 80s and 90s star players would do just fine. They have the athleticism and skill to play with very little adjustment.

[@cbreeze864]

I came here for the massive Jordan flop @9:43 Lmao!

[@domonicdecoco2410]

Shows how the rules were changed specifically for Jordan. Absolutely disgusting. Jordan has 6-7 teammates on the court every game. 4 players and a few refs. This is why guys like Barkley and Ewing could never win championships. Their style was always at a disadvantage with the refs. This is also why guys like Olijawan won rings. Their style of finesse took advantage of the soft rules. Sad in my opinion.

[@MossadJShilling]

lmao MJ is literally not allowed to be touched

[@TheRiggedBA]

Not being allowed to touch Jordan is what makes the Jordan era brutality myth so laughable. You couldn't even come near Jordan in the 90s without getting whistled for a foul. And a flagrant if you actually touched the guy.

[@nonamewillbegiven6847]

He sure got touched when he clotheslined you i/diot

[@nonamewillbegiven6847]

@@TheRiggedBA delusional troll

[@realtan9026]

if i was commissioner id remove all the rules and just have 3 simple rules 1- no double eye gouging (single permitted in overtime only) 2 - no kicks to the groin while player has both feet on the ground 3- no kicks to the face if opponent has both eyes closed . i bet attendance would be up

[@joweebird1993]

Doubt it everyone will be injured and everyone will say how bad of a commissioner you are.

[@courylanders4142]

3 years ago Vince Carter said Alot of NBA players in 2018 weren't tough enough for the game back in the day. Carter played from 1998to 2019.

[@dynamic6645]

and kg once said that the 2010s nba is better than 2000s and 1990s nba, and kg has played from 1995 to 2016.

[@nbastalgiacritic1751]

Yea I mean anyone who grew up In the millennial age was forced to indulge in the dogma of mj being way better than anyone else at basketball. It’s a religion and I think that a lot of the new basketball fans who call mj the goat arent aware of that fact. The ultra jordanites aka 90% of jordan fans will never call lebron the goat. To them it would be like telling a Christian that God doesn’t exist. It would be blasphemy to them, literally.

[@TheRiggedBA]

The 1st Commandment of the Jordanite religion: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYHVfoNthqacg5I

[@nonamewillbegiven8228]

Spoken like a salty millennial. Choke on it kid

[@nonamewillbegiven8228]

@@TheRiggedBA so salty you are troll

[@legendarywiimaster]

@@nonamewillbegiven8228 c/rybaby

[@nonamewillbegiven8228]

@@legendarywiimaster crybaby

[@DMACAVILLION]

Those guys did have their hands on Jordan , so the refs called it right

[@gororasu]

It's not being softer it's being more professional.

[@TranquilAura77]

What a delightfully insightful video, always knew that defense wasnt tougher back then ahahah

[@kennethmotes8439]

LondoMc Steezy ignorant cherry picked slides

[@masonmetcalf4322]

so what we can take from this is that NBA officials have historically been inconsistent with calling fouls

[@blackreign351]

why doesnt this video have a million views?! people are so obsessed with the 90s saying is was the best era of basketball, (which is a lie) and always say it was the dirtiest and that it was a real man time and today's star like LeBron couldn't handle it like.....lebron is 6'8 270 lbs.....he would own that era. especially with its mostly man on man defense lol. but anyway. people need a reality check. NBA is mostly softer so it can protect its family brand and make more profits.

[@TheRiggedBA]

As I often say, if you put LeBron in the 80s and 90s he'd be so far ahead of everyone athletically and technically that he would appear to be an alien.

[@goku7297]

TheRiggedBA average triple double for career

[@rajon5146]

Teams were physical in the 90s more than today

[@TheRiggedBA]

That depends on what you mean. But a foul has always been a foul.

[@rajon5146]

TheRiggedBA Play was physical among bigs

[@TheRiggedBA]

There was more post play in the 90s, yes. Before the NBA began allowing zone defense which basically crippled traditional bigmen and turned the NBA into a jump shooting league.

[@rajon5146]

Bigs' physical play sometimes trickled down on guards

[@oofoof6821]

@@TheRiggedBA shut up ur just a modern nba fan lmfao

[@josephjosephjoseph9192]

LeBron would dominate the 80s and 90s but he would wear down, only cos teams would foul him hard

[@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t]

Joseph JosephJoseph he gets fouled hard a lot

[@power_upxxx3913]

Steph Curry The G.O.A.T L he flops and makes them seem hard

[@kgv4272]

Nigga He cant survive that shit

[@nickjaramillo8005]

Joseph JosephJoseph actually The old school guys would wear down Lebron oh yeah! guys like Karl Malone, Oakley, Mason, Thorpe,

[@kingposse1]

KGV 30 lol you’re an idiot ...

[@nemanjap1445]

When past NBA champions and Legends of the game say that they think the NBA has become soft, then it REALLY is soft.... James Harden would be crying at the end of a playoff series against the Lakers, going against Michael Cooper/Byran Scott and James Worthy...

[@Rohan_Mehta]

Harden would put up 50 on them lmao

[@TheGrindcorps]

Best NBA channel On KZbin!

[@JesusShuttlesworth]

This vid needs so much more views smh

[@alexandrecancio]

Hand checking was the norm in the 90's, everybody did it all the time. In any case comparing eras is pointless, everybody is going to like much better the players he grew up watching , that's the same now and them

[@TheRiggedBA]

Hand checking was less normal in the 90s than people remember, and more normal today than people admit.

[@italianstallion2012]

Lefraud Blames would have chosen to play soccer instead of playing against the bad boys.

[@TheRiggedBA]

LeBron outweighs the biggest Bad Boy by up to 30 lbs of solid muscle, but moves with exponentially more speed and thrust. The Bad Boys would get freight trained.

I think someone like Bill Laimbeer would disagree with you, given Bron's size and strength advantages He believes Bron would be harder to stop getting to the cup than MJ given those two advantages alone, and being a more gifted athlete in general.

[@Azraeluchiha999]

I don't know why it's so hard for people to realize that modern basketball players are trained in a way that makes them better then their predecessors. Only the best players historically can still be considered better than players that got drafted or started playing after they retired. Kobe still holds his spot as one of the best players of all times and so does Jordan but they are still not close to being the best players ever because in order to know if that was true we would have to look at every single player that ever played the game. I don't believe that LeBron James is the best player either but I do believe however that LeBron is better than Jordan. it's very clear to me that LeBron is better than Jordan because he is bigger and faster than Jordan, he jumps higher than Jordan and he dunks better than Jordan does in game, he has a wider variety of different shots that he can take from anywhere, he's just as fundamentally sound as Michael Jordan but also has a modern mixture to it that allows him to compete at the highest level every season. Jordan, Kobe, and LeBron all have a hard work ethic but that's where the comparison stop.

[@thedangerwich5476]

it's strange. when you type in riggedba and this video shows up in the search , it says it only has 700 views but then when you click on it it shows it's real views, 20,044. very weird. youtube's up to something.

[@TheRiggedBA]

When a video gets a lot of views really fast, KZbin lags behind for awhile instead of posting the numbers in real time.

[@jamanwashington902]

Lol I know some old heads mad that the 80s and 90 been exposed. The 80s was tough until Micheal birch about the piston and flagrant fouls came in the 90s. Benefit Jordan. That's when the league started getting soft. Oh i from the 90s so I dont want to hear u never seen nba games from the 90s. No media much back then, but micheal Jordan bitch about the hard fouls. Last thing, even the bad boys said lebron james could be great because they never physical specimen like him. No more saying it was tough in the 90s again

[@stevenjohnson4207]

It was only one member of the bad boys who made that claim plus he is an obvious liar. You had giants like Brakley, Shaq, Larry Johnson, Malone, etc etc who where physically imposing animals, Rodman was even an animal.

[@nbastalgiacritic1751]

Steven Johnson yea, those players used to tombstone piledriver players back then, and they would even let live lions and tigers on the court! I like how when someone dickrides mj, he’s telling the truth, but when someone is even slightly critical of him, he’s hating. What a moron

[@jbloun911]

NBA today= a women's 3-point shooting contest

[@cheyheyway6244]

Players today are much better shooters compared to the 90s so if it was a “3 point contest” the 90s era would be the women and today’s would be the male shooters.

[@jbloun911]

@@cheyheyway6244 they played Defense back then... no threes. Curry would be a glorified 6th man specialist on the bench

[@cheyheyway6244]

@@jbloun911 If you actually watched the games you would realize defense may have actually been worst back then. Everything was man to man you didn’t really get much help after you got beat. People tend to over exaggerate the defense of the era. It all started when Jordan claimed his era was the toughest era and people like you will follow anything that comes out of his mouth. It’s almost impossible to stop Golden states screen offense with a healthy . Klay and Curry who are two of the top 5 best shooters of all time. You only have to hope they’ll miss which isn’t likely unless there having an off day.

[@cheyheyway6244]

@@jbloun911 The physicality excuse is the lamest excuse in history. Every stats points to players being better now. Please come up with a bs ass excuse to defend that.

[@cheyheyway6244]

@@jbloun911 kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5yriquKfap7nJI Now tell which era was really Garbage and Watered down.

[@learnteach2learn729]

Why do they all look like they are my 40 year old uncles playing ball

[@sportsfanatic1936]

Great video

[@TheRiggedBA]

Thanks!

[@sportsfanatic1936]

TheRiggedBA No problem. These videos you make are well put together and it’s hard to deny the truth. Too factual for these people

[@juanbutront]

The players before tried to defend, that the opposing team did not score, now they do not make the attempt to defend. Before a team scored 100 points now a team scores at least 120 points

[@dynamiteSANTA]

Juan Butron in the 80s teams averaged 110 points per game. So are you saying they played no defense in the 80s? The game is faster paced today and players are shooting more.

[@thedangerwich5476]

damn, this video fucking amazing.

[@broly.8899]

Great video. I’m still going with MJ over James, but I have a new appreciation for the basketball I grew up watching! I still think that from 2012ish - today the league has gotten ridiculously soft calls and blatantly ignoring traveling lol

[@jackjax7921]

LeBron is better than MJ.

[@MrUrlanjedozvoljeno]

so basically, when the NBA decided to make the competition a pussy one, the bulls could win the NBA title... before that... their asses were beaten by the pistons ;)

[@rafikz77]

exactly What a tough guy that MJ, but only after the rule changes

[@ddp5406]

And the 80's superstars and teams died down, and the nba entered a massive expansion of the league, and scottie pippen became an all star, and phil convinced jordan to play within a system that put more trust into teammates.

[@electricapple23612]

PLEASE START UPLOADING CONSISTENTLY!!!! MY FAVORITE CHANNEL BY FAR!

[@michellerobinson4451]

Ah the old days when you could be more physical if you weren't the better player such a shame

[@Gorgonyte]

this needs more views

[@kennethmotes8439]

King Gorgonyte stupid as usual anyone can make something to fit their narrative not long no valid points anyone who likes is probaly under 25 say yourre not yourre lying

[@AJ_Preme]

King Gorgonyte damn right it does

[@dynamic6645]

This video has been on youtube for 4 years and it doesnt even have 200k views, I seen a lebron flop video getting 300k views in 2 weeks only, jordan jockers really suck man.

[@joshuajackson7691]

Thank you for making this videos, exposing the lies!

[@dynamic6645]

Are you still gonna make Jordan vs Jordan series videos or something new ?

[@TheRiggedBA]

Probably both. I'm making Jordan vs Jordan, and I have some other stuff in mind too.

[@nonamewillbegiven1217]

Awww does someone need their troll fix?

[@nonamewillbegiven1217]

@@TheRiggedBA doesnt

[@nonamewillbegiven1217]

@@TheRiggedBA troll

[@millabasset1710]

I don't know why your channel is hated, you're well researched and show footage for all your claims.

[@patrisio3]

The problem is he cherry picked footage just to try to convince his point. Anyone could easily go back and pick footage that would counter his.