CPO - How Not To Worldbuild

[@pigglypoof]

CP-0 felt creepy and somewhat ominous, especially with them wearing masks, but once CP-9 members were introduced as part of CP-0, well, it just took all the wind out of my sails

[@AmManTalks]

They were pretty intimidating at Dressrosa

[@orbboom6119]

Oda really shouldve created cool new members of cp0 alongside lucci. But i guess he's gonna do that with the God Knights, who are pretty much the same as Cipher pole😂again

[@SheezyBites]

I think the synthesis here would be to make CP-0 the leadership level of Cypher Pol (to put it in James Bond terms, the lettered agents whereas CP-9 is the 00 agents). You could still power scale things a bit by making Luuci a member of CP-0 and the remainder of CP-9 still being CP-9 but his personal team. You then just have to establish that Spandam is CP-0 by technicality, but like the errand boy who was put in charge of the operation to infiltrate the civilian shipwright organisation because the other members were taking their own CP teams and doing dangerous things like infiltrating military orgs, the underworld or making covert deals with warlords and emperors... or just regular information gathering or keeping children hostage, ya know none CP-9 things that CP-1 to 5 do, but either way Spandam was meant to have an easy job until Robin turned up and he ended up way above his pay grade very quickly. Sure it's still going to take some of the bite out of the whole Cypher Pol when we defeated a CP-9 unit pre timeskip, but I don't imagine pre-timeskip straw hats would have had even as much difficulty beating a team of Beast Pirates led by Bao Huang with like Holed'em and Hamlet as muscle but that doesn't make Kaidou any less threatening.

[@sephikong8323]

Lucci was a great call for CP0, the rest of CP9 not so much at all, it just ruins the failure that Enies Lobby was for the government if every member involved in it got promoted despite that, whereas I can buy it for Lucci as he was seen as a rare talent that they didn't want to waste and there was a whole cover story for him, same for Spandam honestly, it fits right in with his "Nepo baby" shtick that he continues to fail upward

[@snipergangdrob5940]

@@AmManTalks im pretty sure that CP0 was just created, dragon said it was augmented, so the new group was created to publicly or privately deal with the things the CP9 agents did.

[@hitbycars]

"WHOOOOOOA A HIGHER CP THAN 9! THEY MUST BE oh its just CP9 in white"

[@boyboilNEO9055]

Cp9 but racist

[@vicentematias763]

While i get your point, I think the difference is how available they are supposed to be. CP9 spent years infiltrating Water 7 in one mision, but CP0 must always have enough agents to respond to World Noble demands at any given time. The roles may overlap, but basically, the Wolrd Government can send his best agents in a secret spy and kill operation for years, but they can not allow the missions tasked by World Nobles unadressed in the same vein. I think also that's why we see more of them carrying different missions: The Lucci team was at Mariejoa and then Egghead, while the others were at Dresrossa and Wano. Multiple functions with different especial misions vs long time infiltration and assasination.

[@SalamiSelimbo]

yes true but i think lucci was also at dressrosa at the end

[@RedLights9000-f3l]

Fair enough but if that was the case then the moment when Lucci kidnapped Franky he should contact and meet with CP0 since they're stronger

[@RedLights9000-f3l]

Fair enough but if that was the case then the moment when Lucci kidnapped Franky he should contact and meet with CP0 since they're stronger

[@SalamiSelimbo]

@@RedLights9000-f3l its not a question of power but orders, cp0 only go on mission that include world nobles or a yonko crew, dressrosa was under doflamingo an ancient world noble and a member of kaido gang, whole cake and wano were yonko territory whereas enies lobby was neither world nobles neither yonko territory it was the government and marines territory, however its true that they should have fought at marine ford since white beard crew was there but i guess world nobles and the gorosei didnt ordered them to since all the amirals were there already and there were no world nobles in danger directly, plus they are a secret part of the cp like cp9 so they cant be seen on public snailcamera display.

[@RedLights9000-f3l]

@@SalamiSelimbo secret part of the CP my @$$ they literally walked in public back in dressrosa everyone saw them they're even famous since people say everytime they appear some world shaking event will happen Also nika DF is something include world Nobles but they send who's who to protect it a CP9 agent

[@schmae3503]

It's important to acknowledge that the majority of CP9, including Spandam are not Masked agents of CP0. This only applies to Kaku and Lucci. Masked agents are clearly much stronger than unmasked agents and act as superiors to their unmasked allies (as seen with Spandam in Dressrosa). This has been an understood ranking for a while. However Bleuno and Kaulifa were only included in CP0 due to the Film Red staff's insistence for the sake of the movie and likely the rest were included because of this. This is much like the case with Helmeppo in sword. My issue wiith the video, despite agreeing to some points to some degree, is the framing that it's the same as before. It really isn't based on the lineup of masked agents and the very clear dividing line. It's like saying Smoker being a Vice Admiral is the same as him being a Captain. The Masked agents are almost entirely new faces. I also take issue with the Stussy point since it removes the context that CP0 specifically have two functions. Working under the Celestial Dragons directly, and Maneuvering their way through the Emperor's. Stussy's role is indeed infiltration, but it also is closer to Geurnica's role than CP9's. Just because she had her job concealed does not mean that her role is fundamentally different from the Wano Group's. She also only reveals herself when she's not likely to lose her cover as opposed to CP9 who only do so after cover is unnecessary. The similarities are their but the assignments are in fact different. Had Geurnica's been to find Pluton I'd agree more but that was not the case. As for Geurnica in Wano, he is going there because they lost their direct Broker who was Doflamingo. It is uncharted territory in such dealings and sending people who have dealt with Doffy before is only logical. His group of course stays to oversee the events due to the massive power struggle of three emperors. They zero in on Luffy when the Elders say so but they still are mainly their to observe any opportunity to remove an Emperor from the board without upsetting the balance too greatly. Robin was basically just a side quest when it was assumed that nothing could be done about the situation. Ultimately while I do fundamentally agree that for the most part, CP0 is underwhelming in story (Mainly Lucci imo), I don't agree with the finer details of the points. I feel a lot of your issues would not exist if it was simply called Aegis, rather than Cipher Pol Aegis 0. Which that's fair enough. I think if you see this we'll just agree to disagree which is fine.

[@TheHaloDudes]

i agree with this comment (and i especially like the idea of the group just being called aegis, although i also think an alternative would be explaining that cp0 was established during the two year timeskip), although i dont think the other cp9 members were included in cp0 or helmeppo in sword just because of film red. the cp9 cover story showed them sticking together and having each others backs so it makes sense that theyd all end up in the same organization together and helmeppo was always at coby's side so it likewise makes sense that theyd both end up being recruited for sword together. i also wont be surprised if we end up seeing a little more of the other cp9 characters depending on the fallout of stussy's betrayal and lucci and kaku's fates.

[@DeathRex88]

​@@TheHaloDudes good points, I totally agree.

[@HerculesOfHate]

This basically sums up my own opinions as well. I think it makes perfect sense for their to be a Cipher Pol that would work directly under the Celestial Dragons and Elders. CP9 would obviously also "Technically" work under the Elders as they are directing the World Government, but there would be a little nuance as to when you'd use CP9 or CP0 which im willing to give some wiggle room on. I dont think this is a massive flub for world building in the slightest and I also doubt this is the last time we see them in the final saga so its hardly like they didnt serve a purpose for the story. Also would be pretty ridiculous to have CP9 trying to fight Emperors and their crews.

[@chessegangsters]

Check 0:42 , there, you can also see Stussy's mask. So at least the three of them

[@AnonTDegenerate]

ngl Helmeppo in sword makes sense. He and Koby are very close, and Helmeppo would have a better sense of justice after marineford and since his father was very corrupt

[@jollybrrr2507]

I think Oda fumbled the ball. Here is what I think he should have done: 1. Merge the God Knights and CP0 2. When the masked CP0 members are introduced have it be the same except they aren’t called CP0 3. It is already hinted that the CP0 members are slaves/incapable of disobeying orders 4. In Wano let it be revealed that the masked members are slaves to the members of the Gods Knights and that they are a special grunt force for them 5. When Lucci appears have it be clear he is the commander of the slave members but that he is below even the weakest God knight Boom now the God Knights are a more active force in the verse and when Dragon presents them is a proper revelation Great video!

[@AmManTalks]

Woah! This is a really cool rewrite of the story. I think tying them into the Celestial Dragons more closely would help explain why they weren't mentioned before. And would make the Holy Knights even more hype. Great stuff!

[@dereklucks4549]

CP0 should have been renamed as God's Squires rather than CP0. A rank below the knights but still the Knight's slaves in general.

[@justaway6901]

Nah it doesn't have the current Goda spin. You need to make the reveal of those information to the readers be as boring as possible. It not yet "stretched" enough. Boom themes. Peak writing

[@yami122]

I think a big problem with the God's Knights was simply that it doesn't seem like they were thought of until very late in the story there's already been several events where the God's night should have done things but clearly didn't

[@jahrichest]

This would’ve been a great Segway into the Holy knights, + would make more sense as to why CP0 amongst all are the closest to the Celestial Dragons aswell as why they dare not dream of defying the world government

[@MatiasCirulli]

My issue with CP0 is that it feels like it was only created with the thought of bringing Lucci and Kaku back with the excuse of not bringing the entirety of CP9 with them, not only it makes no sense that this organization exist since it contradicts previous information, it also clashes with the CP9 cover story which makes them fight the marines who were there to destroy everything related to CP9, how am i going to respect and fear the World Goverment when they give a raise to the people that failed your most important mission in the last 431 years and afterwards attacked you.

[@MasquedMocha]

to be fair, having to serve the celestial dragons directly is a punishment itself

[@bg357wg]

It’s like vice admirals…so many scrubs at that level.

[@hyypio764]

Even CP9's introduction had its problems. Rob Lucci is apparently a world-renowned agent, where even random marines recognize him on sight. Yet he was somehow able to remain undercover in Water 7 for years without changing his name or appearance. And you couldn't really just erase CP0 and change them to CP9 without it also being inconsistent. Rob Lucci was called the strongest CP9 agent in history, which would clearly not work because the agents we saw in Wano were stronger than he was in pre-timeskip.

[@williamhardee8863]

Well they didn’t recognize him on sight, because the first time he landed on one of the Marine ships in Enis Lobby, the marines thought he was a Straw Hat and tried to kill him until the Vice Admiral stopped them. They knew him by name though, so I guess we’ll just have to chalk it up to Rob Lucci being a common name in the One Piece world so him calling himself that at Galley La wasn’t suspicious.

[@bluntslt8023]

The agents we saw in wano were CP0 not CP9. That means yes he is still the strongest CP9 agent

[@hyypio764]

@@williamhardee8863 The marines recognized him on sight in Water 7.

[@hyypio764]

@@bluntslt8023 This video is talking about CP0 being erased from the story and making all the CP0 agents into CP9 agents.

[@williamhardee8863]

@@hyypio764 I bring up a specific example where they don’t recognize him by sight, and you just say at some point within the arc they do recognize him. Very convincing.

[@cucumberwatermelon]

I feel like Oda could’ve at least done something cool with them, like maybe at Enies Lobby instead of the island being almost completely destroyed, he instead made it so that it fell into the ocean, then making it so that only 1 or 2 of the CP9 members survived, such as Kaku & Lucci. Then they’d have a reason to join CP0, to avenge their friends and/or to still try to defeat Luffy & steal Robin. It may be a kinda basic idea, but it would feel at least a little more fulfilling, as right now they really just seem like some unimportant side characters. I really hope Oda has some sort of plan for them, even if it’s something as simple as “oh we were bad guys but not Luffy helped us change our ways,” OR dying a graceful death. Something interesting y’know.

[@BananaHoardX]

I always took it as follows: After the Enies Lobby fiasco, CP0 was a rebranding of CP9, now with masks.

[@thelatedevelopers3253]

As a huge One Piece I appreciate the criticism your presented here. Its nice to see videos like this that actually analyze the story of One piece and point out its flaws because every story has them even peak fiction. Most OP critiques are people who havent watched the series or former fans who try to rewrite the story to give Zoro more screen time or something rather than comment on the acutal story being told

[@rickmorty7965]

really good points here. The "new mysterious faction that always existed but you just learned about and is even stronger than the previous strongest" trope never sat well with me. You see it a lot in Dragon Ball recently. You're telling me that there are these random people who just happen to be comparable to gods and no one has mentioned them until now? For the most part, One Piece avoids that and introduces strong characters or groups in a way that makes sense but CP0 is not it.

[@AmManTalks]

Yeah... I haven't seen Dragon Ball but I'd always heard that the way it powerscaled wasn't the best.

[@temaratkinson6051]

​@@AmManTalks dragon ball and dragon ball z are done master fully a masterpiece dragon ball super power scaling was done by a adult with a brain that says that would look cool for the moment

[@Prideium9001]

I think the reason why people think the power scaling is wack is because of the Super saiyan god getting absorbed into base thing. That doesn’t even happen in the manga and it’s only mentioned in like 2 arcs so it’s better to believe it was erased entirely. Once that happens the scaling makes more sense as U6 saiyans are comparable to Goku and Vegeta’s base and Android 17 in the manga is like Super Saiyan 2-3 level. Honestly, i’d advise to read the manga as it’s more concise in terms or scaling. The only out-of the blue thing would probably be the Gammas being equal to Goku and Vegeta and Cell max being a universe buster, but I think that already didn’t make sense with the androids being strong enough to destroy Stars. Time and time again it’s been shown humans have the tech to build ultra strong mechs in a short amount of time. I think the problem isn’t good but the power scaling isn’t wack, just extreme which is expected for a long-running shonen. Now try scaling heroes 🤣

[@temaratkinson6051]

@@Prideium9001 the manga isn't canon

[@Prideium9001]

@@temaratkinson6051 the manga and the anime are two separate canons. So technically the manga can be interpreted as canon.

[@kristuphergaming8390]

If I recall, wasn’t CP-9 disbanded after Enis Lobby? What could be seen is that CP-9 was merged with or made into CP-0 so that the bad rep is gone. Thus, why it feels redundant is because they are the same organization

[@justicecadet5530]

while i dont disagree that cp0 clearly wasnt planned out pre timeskip, i disagree with the idea that their current involvement is redundant or pointless. For one, all marines essentially answer to the Gorosei, even if they don’t directly speak, however not all marines answer to the Celestial Dragons as a whole, as is shown by Garp. In the same arc where the Strawhats fight cp9 they also get chased by Garp, a vice admiral, so the idea that the Strawhats are now fighting one step up from the ranks they fought before fits into place perfectly to me. Also, the fact that all of the unmasked cp0 agents are characters we already know seems to indicate that there’s more to cp0 than Oda wants to get into yet. We dont know the identity of several members, but one of their masks resembles the mask of one of the holy knights who also resembles one of the kids from Lamb’s House. There was also a long arm kid there, and Oda specifically left it to our imaginations whether or not all the kids were eaten. Cipher Pol was recruiting from Lamb’s house and Big Mom’s last words were basically “im not dead yet ill be back,” so all of this tells me that these plotlines will be wrapped up in the Elbaf arc. If u pay attention to what one piece fans consider plot holes, you’ll realize that a lot of them fill eachother.

[@moycorbin4750]

Nah don't try to defend it, OP isn't perfect and CP0 is just dead weigth

[@justicecadet5530]

@@moycorbin4750 why does everybody immediately accuse me of driding OP whenever i disagree with and interpretation of a plot point 😭😭? why cant we just wait for things to play out before we judge their impact on the story we’re paying attention to?

[@moycorbin4750]

@@justicecadet5530 not everything can be "peak fiction"

[@justicecadet5530]

@@moycorbin4750 i literally never called it that or implied that i just said i think yall are prematurely analyzing a plot point that is being critiqued in the video.

[@KingMAXIMUM-up4rz]

​@@moycorbin4750He never said that tho so hop off nuts and stop hating if you don't agree with this guy then just say your piece and move on you just being goofy

[@BabyArms]

Between this and the Wano video, you've earned yourself a sub. I tried to do One Piece videos about two years ago (been a huge fan of the series since 2007), but I don't feel like it was quite my thing so I privated them. Anyway, I appreciate when people are willing to be analytical and critical.

[@user-up1op3kz9q]

CP0 was sent to Egghead after numerous instances of lower-ranked Cipher Pol agents going missing on the island. I really don’t think that example proves what you think it does

[@AmManTalks]

It does, the point was that CP9 and CP0 are functionally the same. If the story just said that CP9's members got stronger over time and were dispatched to Egghead, it wouldn't change anything

[@re_striker3431]

​@@AmManTalksno, the story has emphasized time and time again that cp0 is used for top secret covert missions while cp9 is more for global affairs

[@Jargo_Z]

@@re_striker3431 you mean the opposite right? CP9 is the one who's supposed to be undercover, as nobody knows it exists, while everybody knows about the authority of CP0 so they have more of a 'command and control' (under the obedience of the celestial dragons) function, so they're more towards the global affairs. Because I do think they have a pretty distinctive role (unlike what the video says) but I think you're confusing them...

[@RedLights9000-f3l]

​@@re_striker3431 but making a deal with orochi for weapons isn't a top secret mission even CP9 can do it

[@re_striker3431]

@Planetdestroyer.138 no they cant because the five elders don't assign cp9 for those roles since they aren't qualified enough

[@moycorbin4750]

Based on Lucci story after Enyles Lobby seemed he would fight back against the marina for backstabed them, but no he join again and now acts like a fancy butler

[@bunthearchive2404]

Spandam Left them to die not the world goverment... They came back and proved their worth again (Lucci made spandam his lapdog instead of killing him)

[@sarafontanini7051]

goes to show how loyal to the world government Lucci is, and how little Spandam's schemes matter

[@TheUrobolos]

Luccis is a self proclamed deadly weapon of the World's Goverment. He litterally have no purpose on life outside it. So he worked hard to prove to the WG that the Enies Lobby disaster was because of Spandam, not because of him

[@christianokoye3981]

"Who ever said that Cipher Pol goes from 1-10, Cypher Pol goes from 0-9!" -Yammy

[@joesomenumbers]

CPO is exaclty like "Yammi is the 0th Espada"

[@jalapenoofjustice4682]

Oda actually wasn't planning on all of CP9 members of CP0, it was a suggestion by an editor because the fans like to see old characters return

[@miguellopes7627]

Although I don't disagree with the editor, All of CP9 didn't need to comeback

[@Sekooma]

Extremely refreshing to see actual critique amidst all the nut hugging! Omg people get so defensive and delusional when someone isn't worshipping Oda's every penstroke. A fandom should never get like this. It's like the opposite of comic book fandoms where it's nitpick central. Is there truly no middle ground somewhere between there??

[@AmManTalks]

I hope to provide that middle ground. Thank you for watching!

[@GreatNegus]

I wish there was more OP criticism out there.

[@royalfun1031]

​@@GreatNegusmost r bs

[@hyypio764]

I think the jury is still out, as it's still possible that we haven't seen the strongest CP0 agents. Just look at how much disparity there is between the Vice Admirals.

[@edy45776]

What disperity they are all about equal except garp

[@starbound100]

​@@edy45776nah, there really is disparity. The egghead vice admirals would wipe the floor with vergo, Smoker had incredible potential as a character, but powercreep did him incredibly dirty.

[@edy45776]

@@starbound100 based on what do you say that

[@MatthewHollow]

I wonder how many marines/WG people Oda can introduce around the Strawhats' power level until we eventually get an Admiral fight for Sanji/Zoro

[@justaway6901]

The CP0 Boss was one shotted by Kaido

[@xandex69]

Did not think I will ever see a criticism on One Piece's worldbuilding but here we are

[@peltycrikts6990]

And it's wrong.

[@noel2039]

Just binged all your vids, keep up the good work!

[@justin4fun490]

Now what should've happened is explaining that CP0 is different from CP9 in a way that they are assigned to missions concerning the celestial dragons, yonko and the revelutionary army. That would've made so much more sense and is an excuse for why they appeared where they appeared in the story and why they weren't shown before.

[@crocoboi7936]

Isn’t that what they are though?

[@Ahmet-yu7jr]

The moment CP0 revealed as former CP9 members the magic ended. Lucci and his crews story ended there are nothing you could add. Even in Ennies Lobby, Lucci was a one dimensional villian, he was just an obstacle in that story. Bringing back Lucci and others has no point, they did their job. CP 0 members should be new characters, they should be far superior agents work in New World. The end result is old members with some irrelevent new faces that quickly wasted in the story. That's Oda's major problem. He creates gazillion characters but do nothing with them. For example what happened WB pirates? I don't belive Weevel killed all of em especially Vista and Jozu. I expect to see Vista and Jozu in Wano but no, they probably forgotten. I'm not even mentioning the other cool ones (Doma, Whitey Bay, Mcguy, Ramba etc...). Back to CP0, the only character that was truelly interesting was Stussy. Others had no relevency. Another thing that really disappointed me was, no revenge match between Luffy and Sentomaru. Insted we get Lucc again. The only redeeming factor is Zoro get his revenge against Lucci 😂.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

CP0 Agents should've been mini versions of King, Kaido, and Big Mom, and it'd explain perfectly on why King, Kaido, and Big Mom were terrified of pissing off the World Government, yet they wanted to go war with a crackhead and his band of lunatics.

[@aritrasaha441]

I think we will know where wb pirates are when we learn of payback war more. Wano didnt feel like the time to inquire that. Maybe we get to knownwhen we get to weevil. Stussy and Guernika are good cp0 members. Honestly im happy we dont get too much cp0 bc god knights will be enough , dont need tooooo many factions. Oda did create many wb pirates but lets face it. One look at them and its clear many were there to make the war look more active and grand. Im pretty sure we werent gonna et anything with them.

[@Ahmet-yu7jr]

@@aritrasaha441 You can say this for minor members but Vista and Jozu were important members. At this point, I really don't trust Oda. How he cream all of that in that supposed last arc is conserning. Hope Vista and Jozu return during Marco's Impel Down raid. Which one was the Guernica? I honestly no idea what new ones names. CP 0 was so irrelevent that, I'm questioning why they were exist in first place? Even Stussy didn't need to be CP 0 member. Hope Godknights won't be a disappointment.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@Ahmet-yu7jr , Guernica was the person that posted the Devil Fruit powers of the Sun God Fruit on the Wanted Poster of Luffy.

[@MasquedMocha]

this is a story about the strawhats, the whitebeard pirates just aren't relevant enough at this point to justify bloating the story even more than it already is by taking a deep dive into them. and about cipher pol 0, you admit yourself that oda has a problem introducing too many new characters, so it would be a BAD thing for him to introduce even MORE new characters for cipher pol. we are at the point in the story where we're dealing with admirals, gorosei, gods knights, and the yonko. we do NOT need to bloat the story even more by adding unneeded new faces for cipher pol. cp0 just cant take the spotlight at this point in the story, its not needed and adds even more bloat. also luffy would one-shot sentomaru, there's really no need for a "revenge match"

[@altermann1991]

To be fair, Vegapunk did catch a bunch of other agents that were sent to egghead before the government sent CP0 agents, so its possible that the government did sent Cp9 agents first and they just failed and were captured. Alternatively it is also possible that CP9 effectively does not exist after the timeskip anymore. After all the cover story showed how the government was training children to be the next generation of CP9, so its likely they just aren't ready even after the timeskip. But yeah CP0 seems to exist to just be Cp9 but stronger. Granted I feel like this problem already existed in the original arc as the other Cipher Pol units were essentially just presented as being simply weaker and less cool versions of Cp9. At least they could have said that CP0 is the unit that deals with everything on the red line and the new world, while the CP1-9 operate in the blues and the paradise.

[@RealCGH]

Honestly looking back at it, the fact CP-9 had no Haki despite being a government trained organization that are also tasked to protect a judicial doesn't make sense in retrospect. CP-9 should've honestly been new world threats in terms of world building and what we know. But that's just hindsight bias.

[@justaway6901]

To be fair, they have powers that acts like precursor to Haki. Especially Tekkai (similar to Armament Haki) and Rokuogan (similar effect Advanced Armament Haki)

[@АлексейЮрловский]

​@@justaway6901I'm pretty sure Rakushiki is supposed to be a martial art based on Haki, especially considering that first time Haki powers were shown and set up as mistery was exactly after Einies Lobby. Also this is supported by the fact that Sanji learned Geppo (flying by kicking air) during his Haki training on the Pink Island. Many people think that on the Egghead CP0 were using Rakushiki with Haki, but I would suggest that we were just shown how these techniques actually work, and Armament Haki was always used to perform them, its just we only now can see them in action and also see Haki at the same time

[@Jordanne-ox1pb]

Nigga they had haki. Oda just didn’t create it yet, tekkai is literally armament haki oda said it would be lame if he introduced it as tekkai since the straw hats definitely them. Pre time skip with no haki

[@nandotnt5678]

Oda basically used them as that buffer before the God knights. They are cool in concept and execution, but they like Law and Kid were ment to be on the choping block for runners in the final war.

[@Zeni-Pincher]

I feel like it is loosely implied that CP0 exists but is not always active the way CP1-9 were. I feel like they were “reactivated” around Dressrosa because of Doflamingo and what he knows.

[@yuxtasein]

I still wonder why Cypher Pol 0 ignores most of the time their main task: Intelligence. Just to mention their role in Wano, they were in the Flower Capital which means they got there somehow, in other words, valuable intel about Wano's waterfall, and Wano's main entrances and defenses. Also, they moved throughout the capital to get to Orochi's castle, that is, more intel about Wano's main city (guards, locations, etc.) and "leader" (personality, devil fruit, ambitions, etc). Later, the same happened with Kaido. They had to reach Onigashima somehow and stay there during the party; in other words, more intel of Kaido's crew: number of weapons, crewmembers, ships; main factions and members; schedules, weak points, DFs, etc.). Even information that concerns the World Government like the One Piece and Road Ponegliphs when Kaido and Big Mom made the announcement. For an unknown reason they stopped informing of main events happening in Onigashima once they got rid of the Marys surveiling them. With the exception of some reports on the Alliance, and Joyboy/Nika. Regarding Egghead, they were rare instances where CP0 did their intel job, though better, still few. Imo, Lucci answering all of Mars' questions is a good example.

[@aritrasaha441]

Guernika dying but taking luffy's g5 photo is a great example of cp0 doing thier main job even at death's door😂😂

[@yuxtasein]

@@aritrasaha441 You're right, once Luffy/Nika became the main target of the WG. That's why I said "most of the time". I had high expectations from them, especially with Robin's quote: "when they're on the move, nothing good happens". So, I expected characters that wouldn't be fair players and they wouldn't hesitate to get the job done, just like young Lucci or young Bege. Well, at least, we still have the Holy Knights.

[@mystic_absol7808]

There's one simple difference between cp9 and cp0, who they deal with. All cp0 interferences directly deal with world nobels or yonko, whilst cp9 dealt with things pre new world, I will say it's a little clumsy to have everyone in cp0 but that one isn't odas fault as he was asked to promote bluno and califa for one piece film red

[@shreyassilwal4805]

My guess is that CP0 was only created after the timeskip, in which case it'll make more sense because cp9 became public knowledge due to the strawhats and so, they needed another cp to become the "main cp" since, I'm guessing, because of the change in the world during the time skip, maybe the gorosei needed assassins' to do their dirty job because it was becoming difficult for them to handle the huge influx of pirates... and also I believe that the only thing cp9 has is that they're the exact same as the other cps, but the only difference is that they were hiding BECAUSE of their mission... I believe that they were only undercover to the public for that one specific mission and they're the exact same as the other cps, and cp0 is also the same except they only take orders from the world government? Now for my opinion on your points... I agree, I think the cp is just really irrelevant. They should've just kept the old cp0 members to make it feel like cp0 are actual assassins' that aren't exactly a "fighting" cp. I think the whole cp0 thing up to wano was really cool, and the entire thing got fuked up in egghead. I thought the mystery and ominousity was sick and I agree that making the cp9 members into cp0 was not good. I just feel like oda did it to add stakes to egghead... My reaction to seeing the cp9 as cp0 was the same as you when I first read it tbh

[@tristennorris3725]

i agree

[@draconicmeta846]

In fairness allegedly Oda’s editors forced him to put the CP9 members into CP0

[@wedding2710]

Even if that is true, it doesn't matter. One Piece isn't Oda, One Piece is One Piece, and problems within One Piece exist independently of its creator's will. If Oda was forced at gunpoint to write Gaimon back into the story as the secret Pirate King, it would ruin the story just as much as it would if he did that without being coerced.

[@rafaelneumann8365]

CP9 as introduced was far beyond the capabilities of the Straw Hats, as basically each had the capabilities of Enel minus his Devil Fruit and Enel was only defeated because Luffy lucked out in the type advantage. But then suddenly they were defeated nevertheless by the Straw Hats. Sure, with some new important techniques like Luffy's blood pumping gears. My opinion is that the best way to handle it, considering what the CP9, was to first introduce Cypher Pol at a lower level, like 7 or 8, to then get the CP9 into the picture taking over their lower ranking members to get Nico Robin, and THESE be really beyond the capabilities of the Straw Hats, absolutely beyond. But that's when Luffy's ease to make allies come in and, for the CP9, they are bailed out and allowed to escape, not defeat them. One thing I thought was genius was giving devil fruits to two of the members as a reward but having them be awful with these devil fruits because the have no experience or training with them. This could also be an out, as the devil fruits effectively downgraded them instead of improving them at the time.

[@Cyricist001]

Maybe CP0 was established after Enies Lobby? It could also be that departments were reshuffled, after CP9 was defeated it's not impossible that CP9 was disbanded. In any case, I don't find much fault with CP0, in real life secret services constantly expand and rebrand.

[@TheUrobolos]

Nope. We have the flashbacks of Carmel trying to sell his orphans to the CP0 so they could raise them as powerfull marines. That's over 60 years before the current events

[@krealyesitisbeta5642]

CP0 feels like just a world government tangent. I think the reason they aren’t made important is because they’re pretty cooked now.

[@sarafontanini7051]

plus they're like jsut another branch of the world government, which is already being represented via Imu and the God Knights (and the marines) hence they arne't included in that big page spread

[@laningsmith9163]

Do we even know when cp0 was formed? It may have been formed after enies lobby and the cp9 members were all made a part of the group. All with some others as well

[@terranman4702]

CP0 could have been inactive for years and reactivated after understanding through Enies Lobby that they need agents who use haki etc.

[@peltycrikts6990]

Part 2. Countering the Video’s Misunderstandings- The narrative in this video fundamentally misunderstands the roles and distinctions between CP0 and CP9 in One Piece, failing to explain in detail that Cipher Pol and the Marines, who serve as the World Government's military strength, are entirely separate and distinct entities. This distinction is clearly explained by the Gorosei in Chapter 793: "(THE NAVY IS JUST THE OUTWARD FACE OF THE GOVERNMENT. WE'VE PLACED THIS MATTER IN CIPHER POL'S HANDS!!)". Cipher Pol consists of multiple factions, from CP1 to CP8, each tasked with specialized functions such as intelligence gathering, espionage, or assassination. Not all factions share the same authority, nor do they undertake the same missions. CP0, unlike CP9, serves a more elite and politically focused role within Cipher Pol. The story distinguishes CP0 as akin to the Admirals or Fleet Admiral of Cipher Pol, directly serving the interests and plots of the Gorosei. This mirrors how the Fleet Admiral follows the Gorosei’s orders within the Navy’s chain of command, while Admirals execute broader World Government policies. Yet, curiously, the video doesn’t critique who the Navy takes orders from, despite this similar hierarchical structure. As such, the video draws misleading conclusions that are based on multiple inaccuracies: 1. CP9 and CP0 Serve Different Purposes: The video argues that CP9’s defeat by the Straw Hats undermines CP0’s existence, which is both illogical and inaccurate. CP9 and CP0 serve entirely different purposes within Cipher Pol. As Rob Lucci explains in Chapter 346, CP9 is a secretive faction dedicated to intel gathering and eliminating threats, particularly in matters concerning the Ancient Weapons and the Void Century. Their authority even extended to initiating a Buster Call. CP0, introduced in Chapter 705 and further elaborated upon in Chapter 1003, operates directly under the command of the Celestial Dragons and the Gorosei. Their primary focus is on protecting the interests of the highest authorities, manipulating events during Dressrosa, the Onigashima raid, and the Reverie, as seen in Chapter 1086. These high-level political maneuvers are far beyond the scope of CP9, which makes the video’s claim that CP0 serves a “redundant role” completely absurd. 2. The Straw Hats Defeating CP9 Does Not Undermine CP0: The video suggests that because the pre-time skip Straw Hats defeated CP9, CP0’s existence is unnecessary. This argument is flawed. The Straw Hats faced the strongest generation of CP9 history, like Rob Lucci, who was widely regarded as a prodigy (Chapter 422). In chapter 474 the reveal of his defeat shocked many, but that doesn’t mean CP9 was the strongest faction within Cipher Pol. CP9 and CP0 fulfill different functions, and the defeat of CP9 by the Straw Hats doesn’t diminish the necessity or strength of CP0. 3. Cipher Pol’s Structure is Clearly Defined: The video misrepresents the structure of Cipher Pol and who they take orders from. As clarified by Lucci in Chapter 346, Cipher Pol operates through several factions worldwide, all answering to the World Government. CP9’s mission in Ohara was sanctioned by the World Government but did not involve the direct interests of the Celestial Dragons, which is why CP0 wasn’t involved. Furthermore, in Chapter 793, the Gorosei make it clear that Cipher Pol and the Navy operate separately, with the Navy serving as the outward face of the government while Cipher Pol handles covert operations. CP0, as the elite faction, takes on missions that directly serve the Celestial Dragons and the Gorosei. This key distinction is overlooked by the video, which conflates CP0 and CP9’s roles, leading to false conclusions. 4. CP9’s Strength Doesn’t Define Cipher Pol: The video overemphasized CP9’s strength, incorrectly implying they were the peak of Cipher Pol’s power. While agents like Lucci were exceptionally powerful, there’s no evidence that CP9 represented the pinnacle of Cipher Pol’s strength. The fact that Lucci and his team were reinstated into CP0 after their defeat doesn't diminish CP0's role or strength. Instead, it highlights Lucci's unique abilities as one of the strongest of the Cipher Pol agents. CP0 is not portrayed as a stronger version of CP9, but rather as a faction tasked with political maneuvering and protecting the World Government’s interests at the highest level. Their involvement in shadowy deals and safeguarding the government’s image, as seen during Wano (Chapter 1003) and the Reverie (Chapter 1086), shows that CP0 operates on a different level than CP9 ever did. So in conclusion, the video’s argument rests on a fundamental misunderstanding of Cipher Pol’s structure and roles. CP9’s defeat does not undermine CP0’s existence, as CP0 serves a distinct political and covert role that CP9 was never meant to handle. By conflating the two factions and ignoring their clear distinctions in authority and responsibilities, the video draws inaccurate conclusions. The notion that CP0 is redundant due to CP9’s defeat is not only flawed but shows a lack of understanding of the World Government’s elite forces in One Piece.

[@flourishd1]

You should make videos

[@Frost500-e3i]

They should’ve just been called Aigis-0 and been established during the timeskip to counter the new pirate era. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE

[@muffinfighter3680]

Similar problem I have with the Holy Knights. The Gorosei were already introduced a long time ago and I was always a believer of them being powerful fighters but where do the Holy Knights come from?? Lmao

[@pokekiller787x]

What's wrong with the inclusion of the Holy Knights? The only people who know about them are near the top and their importance specifically ties to Imu. Why does everything needs to appear hundreds of chapters before for it to make sense?

[@vincentlara2448]

For a long time I just thought there wasnt a cp0 until after enies lobby, because after enies lobby spandam got the original cp9 kicked out so they probably had a new cp9 lined up so when lucci and the squad pulled up they had to make a new rank for them

[@Johnny_Rebell1]

I somewhere read that additionally only Kaku and Lucci should be in cp0 but editors wanted to add the other cp9 members , I guess it was the time when film red was releasing. Maybe it was purely for fanservice with Khalifa and others mini statues and etc.

[@creekburn1918]

I would accept that CP9 no longer exists after their utter collapse at Ennis Lobby. So a new group was founded called CP0, which was rebuilt with previous members of CP9. This could be true until it's shown that CP0 existed before Ennis Lobby or if CP9 is still around.

[@dolomitilino9015]

Two unfortunate abbreviation Cipher Pol CyberPunk

[@justicecadet5530]

3:12 i assumed this was related to the sea stone that the navy uses since it originates in Wano.

[@Guac0_G]

For me I always thought that the big distinction between cp0 and cp9 was simply that cp9 operated in the grand line/blues, and cp0 operated in the new world. This would explain the difference in strength of the two groups and it also just makes sense overall for efficiency, it be merely logical to have the two groups placed in two different areas more accuratley representing their strength in order to cover more area.

[@victorespisoler9117]

Now Oda replaced them by these Holy Knights... CP0 has not the strongest WG men anymore.

[@risky5940]

I guess oda wanted them to wear white suits after time skip but that change would've been weird so he just made CP0 (also cp as the abbreviation)

[@bluntslt8023]

Hello there you deserve way more subscribers

[@AnonTDegenerate]

Honestly kinda feel bad for Oda, he did plan on Kaku and Lucci joining CP0, but I heard he got convinced to let the rest of CP9 in by some film staff. Fault lies with him sure, but damn. Having the top 2 of CP9 join as the unmasked, weaker members, would have made CP0 feel a lot more elite

[@nikkof5384]

Liked the video. My thoughts below are long. I agree Oda should have some cover series for more of the CP9 to CP0 transition but CP9 being disbanded makes sense, a group that “shouldn’t exist” is now widely known by civilians in Water 7 after the failure of a buster call that wasn’t meant to be called. Both full names and faces of these secret agents is public knowledge post Ennies Lobby. They didn’t even use fake names, they were amateurs lead by an idiot and it shows. CP0 functions more like the DEA/FBI in being a known entity specializing in operations for the World Nobles directly as opposed to MI6 from Bond that CP9 appears to be modeled after(secret last intel agency with the best of the best). I think the bigger failures are CP1-8 appear to have no job besides existing in the story as opposed to being regional cells similar to CP9. In fact they should probably have 1 of each of them working in each of the 4 seas especially with the surge of strong pirates in both Ace and Luffy’s generations. The other 4 should be dedicated to intel around the Emporers and attempting to infultrate crews like Stussy was doing on WCI. Just seems like an organization that has 10 intel cells seems to always be lacking in actionable intel. Or at least don’t have the spies go by their government name, at least Doffy and Crocodile had callsigns damn.

[@TopBurger239]

6:27 Gods Holy Knights basically are the "super admirals" lmfao

[@MasquedMocha]

cipher pol zero might have been formed recently in-verse. but even if it wasnt, it doesnt really undermine the previous world-building. considering luffy's bounty and ennies lobby being in the first half of grand line, the WG probably just assumed cp9 would be sufficient to send in. and to be fair, they almost won against the strawhats. as for cp0 having the same characters that were in cp9, i think its fine. we already get a bunch of new characters introduced every time we go to a new island, so the last thing we need is even MORE new characters. we're in the big game now, dealing with admirals and gorosei, so it makes sense that cp0 is only here to accent those threats.

[@kylestewart2829]

Finally someone that likes OP and is able to see it's flaws. Thank you for being so awesome and be prepared to have hordes of fanboys trying to find excuses for Oda

[@catoflado4977]

I heard that Oda just wanted Luchi and Kaku to be on CP0, but then the editor forced him to bring all of them because of a movie... I have these movies so much. Having all of them on CP0 really is bad.

[@sebastiancarias4647]

Also, this may be a nitpick, but isn't it strange that the CP9, the most lethal assasins at the service of the World's Government, didn't know how to use HAKI? (when battling with the strawhats at ennies lobby)

[@pokekiller787x]

So you expected another cell of ciphor poll to act differently despite the fact that it's the same organization that fulfills a similar role. Dont know what you expected, lol.

[@caison8759]

local one piece fan cant go 5 mins without a group or organisation being 100% consistent throughout a 25+ year long story

[@SalamiSelimbo]

All the cps can assassinate and go to the new world, they can all be directed by the celestial dragons but only cp0 works for them and the gorosei directly, they are the only one that can go to unnafiliated government zones like wano, so they weren't necessary at Ohara since it was a free zone. Cp0 got nothing to do at enies lobby, Rob lucci was not known by name before water 7 but only after the cp9 finished their mission for pluton, after they lost at enies lobby they were fugitives which made them known by face thus why the marines post ellipse recognized lucci plus i guess if people can hear rumors about cp9 existing it's only natural that marines being closer to the government can hear more precise rumor about cp9 especially when you're a marine working at enies lobby. Cp0 aren't necessarily the strongest but they are the only government agents that can be directed to attack a yonko crew thus why they are also directed to assasssinated like cp9 but it's who'swho from a yonko crew, stussy infiltrate a yonko crew too , cp9 are a secret part of the normal cp, im sure the member we met at enies lobby weren't all of the members or it would make half of them absent for 3/4 year, since they were discovered they couldn't be in cp9 anymore even if they aren't strong enough to be cp0 preellipse they can still be of use like litteraly the weakest government member spandam, and in the end like he said what's important is connection thjus why he gets where he is without surely the 6 power or haki. It's normal that they are not a part of the final one piece contestant because like we saw in wano and mariejoie they are only glorified slave of the government, if stussy or lucci would get more important it wouldn't be as cp0 but as emancipated people, the cp0 is not redondant because we saw at enies lobby all the cps but none of them talked about the nobles raising question that cp0 answer. You're kinda saying fake fact as question but oda never said any of the thing you said it was only said from the perspective of unaware character in the story for some part, I guess you didn't understood how Oda's making his world but it's not an excuse for saying he was in a corner, for me it all seem logical in terms of one piece world building, i didn't get your point.

[@rorococa]

i think that cp-9 was disolved and cp-0 was created after, thats why they do the same shit

[@svz1345]

Good video. I think cipher Pol in general got replaced by the holy knights.

[@AmManTalks]

In a sense they did. I do think the Holy Knights were always planned even when CP0 were introduced, but they kind of occupy the same existence

[@RedLights9000-f3l]

Holy knights are the celestial dragons who can fight back so it's not a replacement when you think about it

[@yakirchernin6015]

Umm. I have a headcannon, but the problem, is that I have to headcannon it. But here it is- CP 1 to 9 works for the Goverment. CP 0 are more personal agents of the Celestial dragons and more focused on the New World and Mairoja. I think their commitment/loyalty to the Celestial Dragons is their main importance, rather then their power. So in my headcannon they recruit *failed* CP agents, who are more vulnerable to lose their free will, and be more like slave warriors. And then they train to the next level- if it make sense.

[@ringthatbell9597]

Oda should’ve just had CP9 put under the direct management of the world nobles after enies lobby, fire a hand full of CP9 agents, hire a few more and train all of them up, that way they can make an excuse for why CP9 was so weak by showing how ineffective of a leader spandam (or whatever his name is) is, also I don’t think CP9 agents need to be powerful for them to for fill their place in the world building because their main things are being under cover and assassination, they aren’t supposed to be direct fighters like the admirals however with the embarrassing defeat by the straw hats the world nobles might want to ensure something like this doesn’t happen again and so replaces spandam as the manager of CP9 and has the new guy who works directly for the world nobles revamp the team and have them trained up to be on the same level as an admiral, thereby giving them the power to hold their own in the new world.

[@Yormolch]

Whaaat, Oda is bad at world building? Nooo, that cant be right. All his world building so far has been flawless.

[@emberpowertcg7692]

Honestly as an anime only watcher in Wano, they dont really feel like a major threat, I hope it changes but still Id anticpated more

[@shavebunny]

I guess they just fell off the power scale. When they were introduced in Dressrosa, the biggest threat was just a warlord. At the beginning of the new world, everyone assumed that warlords were too weak to compete with the new threats. If Luffy was defeating warlords before the timeskip, in the new world he would be facing Admirals, Yonkos, bigger players, right? So when Doffy is defeated and says that government assassins are trying to kill him cuz he knows too much, we immediately assumed he was talking about CP0, right? But then WCI happens and we're introduced to a new level of power scaling, Yonkou commanders. So CP0 should be around that level, since we always take the Admirals as the strongest power at face value. Then Luffy goes up against Kaido, Big Mom, Tobbi Roppo. The scale just keeps getting bigger and bigger, and at some point the CP0 power level becomes irrelevant. If luffy beats Kaido, the remaining threats are Admirals, Blackbeard, Gorousei, right? WTF cares about CP0? Even Akainu mocks her at Egghead and after Dressrosa, if I'm not mistaken. My bet is that CP0 is at most a YC1 commander, if we still use that nomenclature. The YC are no longer a threat. What are they going to do with Luffy and the gang? Luffy just beat Kizaru a few chapters ago and Aokiji just shot a cracker. I guess they became like the warlords of the new world. Bragging about being strong and just running away after seeing someone really strong, like Doffy vs. Aokiji. I wish the other Supernovas would fight CP0 members. That way we give them real fights to grow and develop in power like luffy did with his fights. Then the masked ones would be the strongest and fight luffy and gang instead. It would be much cooler to see Lucci vs. Kidd, Law vs. Stussy, Urouge vs. Kaku, idk man.

[@nateislate5551]

Is there something im not understanding? The whole point of CP9 was that they work undercover, no one knows who they are or where they come from outside the marines and World government. Thats why they're so effective and can be used in multiple areas. I not sure what this video is complaining about. CP9 not being all Cypher Pol has to offer in terms of strength actually adds to the world building, CP0 being the heighest ranked doesn't undermine the usefulness of CP9. Yeah they were not thought about by Oda during the Ohara flashback but again CP9 not being known is a huge advantage here because if the World Goverment wanted to sweep Ohara under the rug, it being public knowledge that even the heighest rank of Cypher Pol went to Ohara, more people would have questions about what happened as opposed to what actually happened where technically it would be public knowledge that no Cypher Pol agents or only lower ranked ones went to Ohara.

[@jamieagnad1918]

1:40 Forget the worldbuilding, I get it now why her name is *Stussy.*

[@Sunaki1000]

The power difference between the Admirals and Luffy at the start was so uncertain, Luffy after G2 and 3 could have easily be written as comparable. I hinestly wonder when Oda decided to make a trainings ark. Because im pretty confident the Sichibukai Croc, and Moria where probably closer to Yonko Commanders, before Oda decided to increase the Power sealing. When introduced, CP0 was probably intended to be strong, but inconsequencual. But Oda needed them to fullfill certain roles in Onigashima and that kinda butchered there reputation. Im very certain the Gods Knights where intended to replace CP9 & 0 after this groups got compromised.

[@lancestewart9013]

I mean ain’t that just what the government be in reality, basically the same thing except maybe it but more powerful and of higher rank.

[@yonkodyoshiii2897]

Wasnt cp0 created during the 2 yr timeskip? I promise ive seen that said somewhere in the story

[@AmManTalks]

Couldn't find anything saying that in the manga

[@justicecadet5530]

mother caramel is shown talking to cp0 when big mom was a kid so im assuming theyre about as old as the rest of cipher pol

[@justicecadet5530]

mother caramel is shown talking to cp0 when big mom was a kid so im assuming theyre about as old as the rest of cipher pol

[@adarshsridhar6051]

They were made before actually. CP0 was talking to Doffy post MF

[@sweggysuperduperswag]

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[@GameBreaker1055]

If CP0 was just this ominous force, cleaded in white that signifies the will of the celestial dragons moving about the area, that would be fine. But them also being CP9 again is just weird because it makes it very unclear what exactly they now are. Moving CP agents around the overall organization, I can see, but just them also doing it... It does not help that I am still cluless what exactly the difference between 1 through 8 is

[@AmManTalks]

Besides CP0, the higher the number, the more important the tasks given to them. That's all it really is. CP9 is kept a secret because their jobs often require killing people, which could make the World Government look bad if the public knew.

[@GameBreaker1055]

@@AmManTalks CP0 being part of the same organization and doing all the dirt jobs does not lead to the WG looking bad?

[@AmManTalks]

@@GameBreaker1055 I'm not vouching for CP0, I don't get them lol. I'm only giving the explanation for Cipher Pol as we understood them before CP0 was introduced

[@TrueReverse74]

I agree to an extent but I think context is missing on a bunch of this, the majority of the cp0 members aren't just cp9 with a new coat of paint and they serve the celestial dragons specifically and "work" with yonkos to better work their resources in line with the government which is different from cp9. The whole thing in wano wasn't to kill luffy or get robin, that was just happen stance. It was a "Oh, well since you're there anyway, try and do this". Again I somewhat agree with the premise that they aren't really utilize that shows off a distinctly unique branch within the government the way cp9 did after the whole doflamingo thing but things are different now, I personally would like them to be more intertwined with the god's knights since they serve as more direct opposition to the revolutionaries, I disagree that they are cp9 with a new coat of paint, especially when only 2 of the masked individuals are formerly cp9.

[@foxocommando2728]

I think if CP0 was created during the 2year gap it would have been better without undermining the importance of CP9, probably use Maha and Guernica as admiral candidates who were transferred to CP0 instead of coming ot of nowhere

[@jrk1666]

Cp-0 (Awful naming scheme in English btw) Should have been an emergency unit created after the cp9 debacle giving it a reason as to why its zero, its a prototype with vegapunk tech. In my opinion it should have been even more secretive than 9, in fact so secretive that even its agents aren't aware of it, being composed of sleeper agents that can be turned on or off like rumored MK-Ultra agents.

[@justicecadet5530]

I think you raise some fine points but overall there are a lot of points where you talk about an assumption like its canon. “All the cp0 members are just cp9, Guernica did jack shit and died” imo the jury is still out on these.

[@AmManTalks]

A majority of them are from CP9. I do of course talk about the members who weren't in CP9. And the Five Elders spoke as if Guernica died, if he isn't then that opens up other problems about One Piece not killing characters

[@Justanormalperson777]

They will still glaze them

[@sonofcronos7831]

Cypher Pol 0, Smoker (in my opinion) and a lot of other characters that Oda kept alive because he cannot kill them, is one of the biggest problems of one piece. It bloats the story with characters that dont fill any purpose besides taking time and space that should be for other characters. Is especially bad for these ones, since Lucci and the others FAILED, but got a promotion? That dont make any sense.

[@re_striker3431]

Lucci got a promotion because of the achievements he got after he failed. This is stated in the sbs

[@johndarksouls4566]

CP 0 is just CP 9 with a Different name.

[@adffdvh8492]

I think the cp0 just replace for cp9 because they failed

[@AnchorCrab]

I was so disappointed that the mysterious masked members of CP0 got unceremoniously bumped off in the Wano arc without any devil feuit reveals or at least some interesting feats. Yeah, it would have bloated the Onigashima arc too much to give all of them full length fights there, but they could have at least been saved for the final saga.

[@chrispolo25]

One Piss is trash now, sadly.

[@luminiumbytes9586]

Didn't ask

[@chrispolo25]

@@luminiumbytes9586 cry, Blitch is trash too.

[@MatthewHollow]

True. It's just Nika Piece now.

[@Glatier]

I find it really funny that on any video analyzing and applauding One Piece's characters, themes and/or messaging everyone under the comments praise Oda and call him one of the best writers in our time, a goat, and a god (and at the same time saying the haters (and criticizers by extension) just can't understand the story), while on any video criticizing (no matter how constructive they are) any aspect of the series, the commenters down there will always find a way to dunk on Oda, calling him shit like a hack and a fraud of a writer and storyteller (and at the same time calling people who love the series "angels" and glazers). I can only wonder what the psychological term to describe this is, man. Also, I have 0 idea as to why, but seeing all this just makes me wish I was taught how to critically think when I was younger, I don't know if it's possible for me to learn it now, I don't know if the way I was raised has affected my ability to learn such a skill, but still, I'd kill to have that skill, bro.

[@ricniks4619]

I have to agree I was pretty let down by CP0 I was expecting Oda to somehow top CP9 by showing us how different they can be from them but instead we just got CP9 but they wear white now! & we learn even they aren't the most important authority when it comes to the world government that being The God Knights who seem to have the highest authority outside of the Gorosei & Imu.

[@noahschwarz318]

about ur argument with "the super admirals" well the gorosei...

[@izzybar9470]

W vid i agree completely

[@chijiokenwanosike1419]

Have you tried reading kingdom its basically one piece but without the issues that u hv

[@adarshsridhar6051]

Kingdom also has a bunch of issues tbh. It’s great but I have op above it.

[@chijiokenwanosike1419]

@@adarshsridhar6051 I love one piece but how can u say it's better than kingdom. I mean kingdom has higher peaks and is more consistent. To me that is...

[@adarshsridhar6051]

@@chijiokenwanosike1419 I think one piece is a bit more consistent and higher peaks but kingdom is also really good. But kingdom also has some issues with it. I haven’t read it in like 2 years atm but I’ll try to recall some of the issues. The reactionary characters are present a lot more and take a lot more space than they should and react to everything minor like it’s earth shattering. The more minor characters of units tend to be forgotten or shoved to the side to show more of other characters, making them feel almost like background fodder, making Qin always be a sort of disadvantage via numbers (which was especially a problem with riboku as he had more numbers+Home advantage) and despite most of riboku’s feats and hype being built by telling and not showing, it made him seem not that much more powerful, the sudden focus on supernatural, especially with the Houken fight where Xin ‘died’. Also, one piece is more closely examined imo. Like in this video, I don’t think cp0 was badly implemented at all, it’s just that they’re not comparable to a Yonko’s crew. They are different from CP9 in that they are more focused with direct and close relations to the elders, with some of them even taking Lucci seriously and with respect. CP9 is a lot more distant in comparison and with CP9 essentially being disbanded in Enies, CP0 has to take their work now. Also CP0 was hinted at since PreTS, which he didn’t notice. The thing that makes one piece great for me, is the small details. CP0 being hinted at in Marineford, Minks being referenced in Sabondy, Binks sake’s relation to the one piece, etc. Comparing stories will always be subjective but with details like these, it’s a cut above everything I’ve read.

[@BeginningStarDarrenYKim]

I think they are only shown in the new world my guess

[@moonlight2870]

You can't say any of that. Oda can do no wrong, he's a genius 😉

[@ubergoober25]

Bro gots pop-rocks in his mouth or something lol

[@gptguy3125]

Well said

[@TopBurger239]

lol honestly i agree but it just didnt bother me that much /shrug

[@markhumphreys4496]

SPOILERS !!!!! !!!!! After Saul was confirmed to be alive I cannot see death as a real concept in one piece. like unless we see a funeral nothing is real.

[@XxXStoneFingerXxX]

you really need to improve your audio setup. sounds way too processed and hollow. Audio is the most important production value

[@rafe100]

I’ve been saying thy from the start cp0 have been such a let down there strongest member is probably just lucci I don’t even Believe god knights because of this dragon hyped cp0 and now the god knight that will probably only have like 2 real strong characters

[@Packirup1234]

sounds like cope u say one thing then disprove urself with your own evidence..... this shits wild

[@moycorbin4750]

Bro You are the one coping

[@Packirup1234]

@@moycorbin4750 let me guess u didnt understand what parts of his cristism i was reffering to and just decided to act like a keyboard warrior and defend your favourite youtuber without wanting to know wether im right or wrong?? no need to thank me for pointing out ur mistakes i understand and im not angry ur welcome just do better next time

[@moycorbin4750]

@@Packirup1234 now you are projecting yourself

[@Packirup1234]

@@moycorbin4750 whose coping now? let me guess u will try to throw this one back at me too come on i dare you prove my point send another reply trying to defend your mistake rather than actually understand what i was saying ill wait

[@moycorbin4750]

@@Packirup1234 who's coping? Still You

[@RJMacReady1]

Cp0 was a storytelling device to bring back lucci, purely for fan service. He has no place in the story anymore. Hes weaker than all the relevant players on the field right now, and hes not tied into anything interesting plotwise. Vivi is an example of an old character return done right. Lucci is the opposite

[@jjcandelabra6164]

well its bin evident that Oda can't write, ever since Post Timeskip started