CREEP DM Asks SMASH OR PASS To Female Player | r/rpghorrorstories

[@JimAbooGames]

Creep: "You look like the kind of girl that would peg a dude." 😉 OP: "Who the Fuck starts a conversation like that, I just sat down?"

[@DellikkilleD]

... he didnt start the conversation with that, they had been chatting for some time at that point. sure its weird, but lying to make it weirder is just sad

[@JimAbooGames]

@@DellikkilleD Dude it's a joke, everyone including me know that's not how it went lighten up sheesh. 😆

[@GarkKahn]

​@@DellikkilleDif you can't get a reference keep it quiet and stop embarassing yourself

[@DellikkilleD]

@@JimAbooGames if ya gotta make shit up to tell a 'joke' maybe humor isnt your thing kid.

[@sentientbottlecap]

“Wanna hear about your characters genitals😏” if I had a session start like that, you’d better believe I’d run out the door.

[@CM-wv8ns]

"Uh... No..." And GM continued on...

[@Nr4747]

Roll for chest size ! xD (There was actually an RPG where that was a thing, saw it online and can't remember the name right now).

[@sentientbottlecap]

“Women don’t treat me right ):” Nah you just don’t treat women right

[@BlueTressym]

Next, you'll be saying women are people!

[@gazblackheart4596]

That smash or pass story is a real horror story

[@DellikkilleD]

you are kidding right? guy shot his shot. he wasnt shitty, or rude, just blunt.

[@gazblackheart4596]

@@DellikkilleD If you honestly think the things he said were akin to "shooting his shot" and not totally disgusting and inappropriate then you are just as much of a creepy weirdo as he is. How is "you look like a bad bitch who would peg me" and "you look dateable not just fuckable" something you would say to someone you barely know. Your type need to understand what is acceptable to say to a woman you just met, most people would consider those statement "rude" not to mention gross. That is not normal flirting and its not being charming, thats being a total freak with no boundaries. It shows how the guy in the story and, by extension you, if you condone his actions, view women.

[@SrslyTony]

He was incredibly stubborn and closed minded as to what OP did and did not want. He was being horny on main = uncool

[@williek08472]

I wonder if the "Smash/Pass" guy has problems with how women treat him because he treats them like objects...

[@hughg.rection1421]

"Women don't treat me right." They don't have an obligation to be nice to a creep.

[@Nikodraws149]

It's so frustrating to hear about someone who just has, negative respect for their friends. That op spent so much time trying to make as much accommodations as possible for someone who doesn't like their game, doesn't like the other players, and refuses to even try to engage despite people putting forth so much effort to engage with them to the point of asking the other players to engage with the more even though they don't want to engage with the other players. Like I understand having reservations about kicking a friend but I'm not sure I could put up with that kind of behavior that long. Godspeed to them and their games.

[@galiogargoyle6295]

I feel really bad for the OP in the Owlin story, I don't know what that DM was even thinking, describing the genitals of their players and having two minotaurs do that kind of stuff to her character like that. I don't know if the other players were just as uncomfortable about that just as her, but if I was amongst them... I'd probably pack up and leave too.

[@vortega472]

Oh sweet Alice and the song of her people. Love her. That third story - Yow, agree with you Doge - with the creep exposing (sorry) himself early she Doge'd (not sorry) a bad experience. What - word play. Speaking of play, the kitties get a new climbing tree.

[@sn0wb00ts]

I’m a die hard xp guy. I award for social encounters and for good roleplay. That way you don’t condition them to be murderhobos or simply be miserable not getting xp for social roleplay and/or ingenuity.

[@Bladezeromus]

As long as you also award well for good combat performance, I don't see a problem.

[@sn0wb00ts]

@@Bladezeromus I do. It usually gets a good reaction from players too. Gets them engaged really easily and that’s a win for everyone.

[@pLanetstarBerry]

Yes, this! When I do xp, combat isn't the only way I award it. On top of social encounters and good roleplay, I also like to give xp if my party advanced the plot in a way that significantly changes what I figured would happen if they didn't get involved. Or if they do things that give me plot hooks for future sessions. Involvement is the behavior I want to see from my players, so I gotta reward that.

[@mirir5475]

the fact that there's one guy responding to every comment about smash or pass guy defending him and yelling at people amkes me very suspicious that smash or pass guy might in fact be among us

[@AuntLoopy123]

"Smash or Pass?" "The very fact that you ASKED smash or pass makes it a solid pass. If you want any hope of smashing, don't ask. Just a tip for the future. Surely, I'm not the only one who responds that way. Pity. It might have been so good. Ah, well." I like this response, because it shuts them down, while also hinting that they might have had a chance, and they blew it. That should at least teach them not to do that ONE THING with future women. If everyone teaches them not to do one thing, then, by the time they are 50, they might just be ready to marry an age-appropriate woman, who won't stand for their garbage, and makes sure they take the trash out, on the daily.

[@sherylcascadden4988]

I never heard this term before... Maybe it's my age or background, but smash is what you do to a cockroach..... And in this case seems appropriate.

[@yomin2162]

If steeds get XP, I want to know that a level 20 horse is capable of.

[@TigerW0lf]

Never award NPCs xp unless that is part of the quest to help them train

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

I could see the NPC's that do participate in the combat be in for a cut of it. But the horses? I seriously had a "WTF" moment when I heard that.

[@realdragon]

What's even the point of awarding NPC XP? DM can just say what happens to them and you don't need to track XP

[@TigerW0lf]

@realdragon maybe to explain the rise in power from battles, and even then, that doesn't make sense. I was just spitballing, I don't do xp

[@Inkubun]

Bro that last story is heartbreaking, that character sounds so damn cool and then the DM makes them get r*ped?? wth man...

[@sherylcascadden4988]

There is a really good book called "Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do"

[@CallMeKes]

On the topic of the XP story: In one of my currently running games we keep completely skipping whole parts of the poor DMs story by either being sneaky or diplomatic. You don't what the DM does about it? Rewards us for finding out of the box ways around the issue before us. We went up nearly 2 whole levels last time it happened. We felt bad when we found out we skipped months of story but he said he was impressed and proud. I also find it a little funny that our fighter is the one who almost always comes up with the diplomatic solution.

[@WinteryNeighborhoodWinterspell]

These reasons are what usually stops me from playing female characters, even though I have an awesome Warlock Character named Dorothy that I want to play

[@unluckyone1655]

Alice has a lovely singing voice. Also lone wolf characters can be done right. I have played LW characters before and i just played them as being a bit shy but willing to speak with others when they feel comfortable and only wanted to go out and scout ahead. Though over the years i have played more social characters as i got more comfortable w RP and wanted to expand on my character and not get stuck on a typecast and get bored.

[@AuntLoopy123]

My niece is playing a "lone wolf" character. She has literally been cut off from human society, since the age of six (she's a druid, and basically talks to trees for her social needs), and so she has "Doesn't know how to work with a group" as her character flaw, with the goal of learning how to work with others, for her character growth! It's great! It actually happened, organically, because my niece, who is on the spectrum, and doesn't really know how to work with other people, joined our ongoing family game (after many invitations), on the spur of the moment. We did a quick build, and while playing, she just randomly blurted out some things that became the basis of her backstory and character traits in our one-on-one "Session 0" before the next session. We were doing Curse of Strahd, and she was trapped by the Mists, and she blurted out that she HATES MIST AND FOG! So, that's a character trait. WHY does she hate mist and fog? Well, she blurted out something about it killing her parents, and BINGO! This person, who doesn't know well how to work with other people, is an orphan, who witnessed the SAME MIST killing her parents (because they resisted it, wanting to get back to their small child). She was just outside the mist, and could almost see them, but could definitely hear them. It was traumatic. She's been "Protector of the Forest" ever since then. Now, she's with a party, in Durst Manor, and decides to Wild Shape into small critters, be it a gecko or a spider, in order to get up to the next level of the house, all alone, because she just wants to get on with the exploration. So, she was the first one in master bedroom spoiler that just happened to have a Smothering Rug, which she decided, in her gecko form, to WALK UNDER. Then, she wild-shaped into a bear, to try to use strength to get free. She howled, and the party heard the howl, and rushed (or tried to) up the stairs from level 1 to level 3. Later, she decided to be a small spider, and crawl through cracks in the ceiling to explore the attic. Alone. Because she could. The rest of the party had to rush upstairs to find her again, because of it. This way, the PCs can, in character, teach her character how to work with people, and out of character, the players can help her learn how to work with people, so it's a win-win. And it makes for some INTERESTING role-play. Sure, it's annoying now, but we KNOW she is WORKING on it. On purpose. For character growth. And I told the other players, "Try to think of ways for your characters to address the issue, and help her character understand that she should try to stick with the party." We're patient and love each other. We know the difference between "I had to do the thing that everyone hates, because it's what my character would do," and "Heads up, players! My character would do this thing, so take precautions, OK?"

[@ShadowsOfEssence]

Played plenty of xp campaigns back in my younger days, and we usually got RP exp as well.

[@marybdrake1472]

Any DM that give XP that don't help in battle has run off the rails. I have to question whether or not that DM even understood how XP is supposed to work.

[@brianvance1178]

I think XP leveling in DnD works like it does in video games: you gain XP by killing monsters, fighting bosses, solving puzzles, completing quests and side quests, and even for reaching the ends of chapters for the game’s story. Well, that’s how it works in GoW4 and GoWR anyways. In the Persona and SMT games you only get XP from battle while side quests only give money and items, and further your social links and social stats

[@realdragon]

In GW2 you get exp for many things, killing obviously but also finishing part of the story, helping npcs and other players, mining, crafting, exploring and probably I missed something. You just do what you like and game rewards you for that

[@johngleeman8347]

You can even get XP for finding and bringing treasure back to your base of operations. That's how 1st edition D&D worked. You actually didn't get XP for killing monsters, and thus the emphasis for play was on evasion.

[@DellikkilleD]

xp leveling best leveling. milestone is dumb unless the players understand that not everyone hits milestone at the same time.

[@realdragon]

@@DellikkilleD The point of milestone is that everyone is the same level

[@DellikkilleD]

@@realdragon NO, it actually isnt. most DM's loop it into a group thing, but the character that does nothing useful hasnt reached any sort of milestone, unless milestone and dead weight are interchangeable to you. You dont gain power because your friends did. thats not how any game worth playing works.

[@KentaroMiyamoto21]

The idea of a "Lone Wolf" might SOUND cool, but in nature, a wolf with no pack will eventually starve to death.

[@realdragon]

I'm sure some lone wolves can survive on their own, but it's expression about character

[@sentientbottlecap]

It can work in a story but not well in DND since it’s really all about teamwork

[@RiveroftheWither]

​@@realdragon Not really no, "lone wolves" in the wild are almost always sick, injured or old. They're going off precisely to die and not be a drag on the pack. However humans initially entirely misread why these wolves split off and instead thought it was a challenge to the "alphas" authority. Then writers began basing characters off this false concept, making lone badasses that challenge the status quo.

[@realdragon]

@@RiveroftheWither And lone wolf in nature and lone wolf as a character are completely different things. Big fishes in nature aren't the rulers of the waters but big fish as a character have a lot of influence. It's just an expression it's stupid to say it's wrong because aCtUaLlY iN NatUrE it's different

[@RiveroftheWither]

@@realdragon What are you talking about? The op and me are talking about actual wolves here. Regardless you can very much say it's wrong because the character concept is directly based on nature or rather a false interpretation of it. Lone wolf was based off of how humans perceived actual lone wolves in the wild, just as the concept of "alpha" was. Big fish is mostly based off sharks and how humans typically perceive them as the "rulers of the ocean". Take a damn chill pill.

[@firefairy717]

Although I agree with your advice for the last story, that they should get to enjoy the character still, it's hard to imagine myself doing that right away. This would be enough for me to not feel comfy playing that character, at least for awhile. It's jarring, and will take time to get over. Or they could do a character swap online instead perhaps. It came off as a little callous to me, to assume they could just get over it right away. But I don't think you meant it as such. It's just a little thing, and I do love your videos and feel like you have solid well meant advice almost always. I look forward to the next one! ✨

[@DellikkilleD]

acting like shit that happens in a game, to a character you are playing is somehow traumatic. This new batch of gamers is something fucking else.

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

Totally agree with doge on the first story, I have no clue how OP came to the conclusion that the answer was anything other than kicking the problem player. If they'll throw a fit over an item they are straight up TOLD both in and out of character has no value mechanically but has plot info the DM needed to get to this NPC for the players, who everyone agrees skipped past plot-relevant details multiple times already, to understand what they missed then they'll throw a fit over anything and everything. If they can't play nice with others than a collaborative game like DND is not for them until they can fix that part of themselves.

[@phatcavy98]

We have the same kitty tree for our two monsters! Great minds spoil kittens alike.

[@7thsealord888]

1. War Cleric was a spoiled child. Speaking as a Referee, If I DID 'give' him the book, it'd only be because there was some heavy-duty curse on it that only he gets to deal with. 2. Accepted that Lone Wolf had communications problems. But there is a very very big difference between having problems and BEING the problem, and he's managed to achieve the latter. This individual is poison to the group - tell them so and if they still won't accept it, drop them HARD. 3. Red flags about this DM straightaway. Should have called him out, nicely, with his very first remarks. One big problems with this mindset if that if you start letting this pass or slide, they'll just assume it's all OK. 4. Whut????? Thinking this DM had never actually played a game before. 5. Red flags at start. Really should have objected immediately. Total agreement that OP should not let this microbrain ruin their character, which sounds pretty cool.

[@knottheory79220]

Whiskey for my men, and XP for my horses!

[@blesper3415]

I'd be cool with an ally's horse getting xp if it meant that it scaled with the encounters and became less likely to die. On the other hand, I'd rather that it just automatically leveled with the party without being part of the xp.

[@Darklight689]

If my players in general have a problem with another player's lifestyle choice and it starts to effect the game it might not be any of their business but i'd remove said player from the group. Pull em aside tell em they don't mesh with the rest of the party. I've had to do this before and honestly, no one needs a reason not to like someone. If you don't fit in with the group it's better to find a new group than keep playing with people who make each other miserable. D&D is supposed to be a fun time with friends. If someones lifestyle/disability/appearance/smell whatever makes me enjoy spending time with them then why would I spend my relax time trying to include them. If it's the odd one out and they are causing friction in the group, it's better to cut one person than to have the group fall apart.

[@AmazingAutist]

Normally there's one or two takes that I disagree with, but all of them were 100% hits couldn't have said it better myself. I'm always so surprised how people just keep bad people around them, or don't just immediately leave a bad situation. Not blaming the victim because it's entirely the creeps fault, but I can't imagine not only sitting there, but let's say that I'm not the one being picked on. I used to be bullied, and the worst part of bullying is all of the people staring at you and not saying anything making you feel even more isolated. So whenever I see someone being singled out or bullied I can't *_not_* say anything.

[@SrslyTony]

First 3-4 stories: typical creeps being creepy and cringe Last story: either an uplifting glory story or the most rancid acts of villainy to date.

[@phatcavy98]

I've never liked XP leveling. To me the the best way to manage leveling is milestones. 1. You can skip calculating XP in encounters or figuring out how to control your players growth. 2. You can base encounters around a party level exactly sessions in advance. 3. If a player misses games due to adult life being more important than pretending to be a wizard, they don't ekd up 1 to 2 levels behind the others. 4. Players are encouraged to just enjoy the game and resolve conflicts creatively without wondering which method jets the best XP. 5. I build my campaigns to be long form stories, I like to write in arcs based on level of play. So I will write level 1 to 5 and end it on a boss fight, then take some time to review decisions the players made and write level 6 to 10.

[@ChobinoftheFunk]

1 is just replaced with determining what constitutes a milestone. Math vs planning. 2 you can do with XP anyway based on what you plan on throwing at them 3 Easily solved by XP going to any missing players' characters as well instead of only participating players. 4 You can do that by awarding XP for for resolving conflicts creatively. 1e and 2e awarded XP for gold and NOT for combat. 5 If you're writing arcs anyway, you can plan out encounters/events designed to keep players within a certain tier.

[@phatcavy98]

@@ChobinoftheFunk all valid points. I'm not against XP, I just find milestone is more to my liking. However, your solution to 3 can be seen as unfair and lead to issue between players. As a player I can see how if you spent 6 games actively working to get XP, doing hard fights, doing all kinds of roleplay to gain that extra XP to get the next level, and all of a sudden you see someone who never did any that get the XP reward as well. It could discourage you to put that extra effort intovthe game, since you'll get the XP anyways. With milestone it's understood that no matter what you'll all get next level together.

[@ChobinoftheFunk]

@@phatcavy98 I fail to see the difference. I also fail to see how not having someone get screwed over by giving them XP for missed sessions is equivalent to giving someone XP for sitting at the table and doing nothing. If the person is clearly taking the piss, boot 'em, but, otherwise how is not punishing them for things presumably out of their control in an XP game any different from doing the same with milestones?

[@phatcavy98]

@@ChobinoftheFunk in a perfect world it isn't. Watching these videos has taught me that not everyone that plays Dnd is mature and understanding. I have seen people squabble over XP, no one squabbles over milestone. Again, I'm not saying your wrong or attacking your stance, just giving my opinion on XP leveling.

[@lexcentrique2554]

Man, OP said "The usual" as usual triggers and the DM still included exactly that? Did Margarat Atwood's book accidentally lost a character who became human? Cuz to consider r%%% as something which wouldn't trigger OP is pretty much concerning.

[@DellikkilleD]

why would someone get triggered by a common story element? especially in a violent fantasy world. jesus, what is wrong with yall. 'trigger warnings' in dnd, just.. wow.

[@lexcentrique2554]

@@DellikkilleD What? R%%%'s a 'common story element', now? Get real, bozo, you're playing in a game where there's orcs, elves, where you can cast magic, and when most of the way you're dressed up as doesn't always match with the time period. Besides, DND had no aspirations to be historically accurate at all costs. The DM just wanted to include r%%% for no reasons and undermined OP's demands of not including the usual of bad stuff.

[@annageorge8406]

If I did EP instead of milestone and my group chose to go diplomatic I would reward them by giving double the xp

[@BlueTressym]

Re. the book story, I definitely wouldn't have given the War Cleric book, BECAUSE he was being such an arse about it. Dude, I'm not rewarding you for that kind of behaviour. How old was War Cleric, three? 'Don't approve of some of their lifestyle choices...' Translation; problem player is a bigot. Of course, the other players don't want to engage with her; she's being an arsehole. She's abrasive, bigoted, and disruptive. What good qualities does she possess? Only, there's nothing in the description of this player and what she does that suggests she brings anything positive whatsoever. Loving your friend and doing your best to be understanding about her issues is lovely and shows that you are a decent and compassionate person. However, this person is making everyone else at the table miserable and at that point, you have to put your foot down. Pandering to her at the expense of everyone else is not OK, especially since she's still complaining about everything. Enabling a person's bad behaviour is not what a good friend does because ultimately, not only is it unfun for everyone around them, but it's not actually helping that person in the end. Furthermore, she is not acting like a friend through any of this. I have severe, chronic mental health issues and I've said and done some bad stuff and upset people I care about but I have the decency to own that and make sure they know I respect and value them as people. XP For Horses: FFS, it literally states in the DMG (p. 260) that you count NPCs when dividing up combat XP only if they GAVE SUBSTANTIAL ASSISTANCE IN THE COMBAT. It also specifically says (p.261) that the Gm can decide to award XP for challenges outside of combat so NOT doing so was entirely on the GM. Not to mention, as OP already did, that getting them killed was also his choice. Owlin: I hope OP does play the character again in the future but Doge, don't underestimate the effects of having something like SA happening to a character. It can be incredibly traumatic and that's not something someone can be expected to just 'move on' from.

[@russdarracott395]

Doge, I agree with you on your thoughts on the third op playing their character with a dm whom isn't an a**hat.

[@deepseastonecore3017]

Thanks 4 all the hard work.

[@rynowatcher]

Exp to npc story: I am not really against this, particularly if the mounts and npc's can level up, they become more hearty in combat so your horse or the quest target does not die as easy. This is kind of a petty thing for the pc's, but the dm seemed to be kind of incapable of running basic elements of the game.

[@41dn]

That thumbnail is going to haunt me until I finish the video isn't it

[@novasiri7809]

I do milestone leveling myself, I despise XP. It makes sense in a video game way, but it's just another resource to keep track of for the DM which adds to the stress. But this whole 'giving it to noncombatants and mounts' bit is bullshit. I love how the DM literally self-destructs at the end there and tries to blame their bs on the players. Just.. yikes.

[@DJ_Kalyan]

Yeah, about the XP thing. I find it a very simple thing to fix. If you want to run XP, you should run it based on the total challenge rating should it break into combat. Even if it is talked through, the encounter was resolved, and the EXP is gained. Opens up the ability to play characters that aren't combat focused and you'd be surprised at how character will try to resolve things... At least in my games.

[@DellikkilleD]

Thats how its supposed to be run. you get xp for overcoming the challenge.

[@broke_af_games9661]

Hey, I can't speak for everyone, but we appreciate you too. 😊

[@valivali8104]

Lovely kitty has lovely voice! 🥰

[@johnthompson8580]

I would of given him the book and made it a cursed item :D

[@violinfanatickamraz1403]

I love your cats doge!

[@sunny1salvage]

wasn't RPG hell campaign of the seven on here?

[@informitas0117]

Lone wolves die in the forest...

[@alanbear6505]

I can’t help but notice that you use cats to pander for Likes and Subscribes. …it works

[@GodOfPlague]

My horse needs its share of the xp how else shall it become amazing

[@starbird3939]

“Lone Wolf” I get nervous when I hear someone say “I don’t inprove of your lifestyle”… because that is usually codewords for “i am a queerphobe” (since LGBTQA was often labeled as a “lifestyle”).

[@Cryptiddies]

Ooh, some fresh Doge.

[@emilianovagnoni3397]

I am the biggest fan of Alice in the world!

[@SnaxTheSnaxolotl]

Next to me!

[@REfan2002]

Lone Wolf, just stop. This is not good for you or the group.

[@slagarcrue85]

The girl in the third storey has this fox my complete and total sympathy and compassion. No I’m not a fury my KZbin user name after slagar from the sequel to the original red wall was done out of respect and admiration for the sadly long deceased mr. Jacques. Rip for 12 years coming up I think maybe in fall. I don’t have his specific date of passing but it was sometime in 2011 close enough to rogues crews publishing that no audio version was able to be made. Shame on mouse guard and it’s creator from starting to steal credit from red wall which was expired by water ship down which is sadly way to graphic for me to read yet alone watch the movie for

[@starofjustice1]

Like, where do you find the art for these thumbnails?

[@MrGrimjaw]

Tuesday was my first ever dnd it was fun oh can you do avatar the last air bender table top horror stroys?

[@phillee427]

This may sound like a weird question but isn't dungeons and dragons based on kill loot xp repeat? Killing things is how you've always gotten x p in that game correct? I've only heard of milestone leveling over the past couple of years.

[@KnightsRealm98]

Early editions, yes. 1e was very heavily inspired by war games and the like and the "role-playing" part was less about being a character and more about playing a role (as in Tank, Ranged, DPS, Healer, Mage, etc) in the party. However, as D&D has moved away from hack-n-slash dungeon crawls and more into story-and-character-based epics, milestone fits more. If one is running a hack-n-slash game, then XP is the better option, though. *EDIT: Spelling

[@phillee427]

@@KnightsRealm98 Thanks for the insights

[@iank472]

I really think milestone xp is, in the majority of games, the best way to handle xp. It keeps all players on an even footing, it makes life far easier for the DM and even the players and it allows for players to do what they think their characters would do rather than desperately trying to do the "optimal" thing to max xp gain. A player who has a coward character can fight for a short while, get injured and then run and hide without being penalised for doing exactly what the character would do in those circumstances.

[@DellikkilleD]

No.. just... No. what it does is discourage creative or out of the box behaviors. if im gonna level regardless, and wont get recognized for carrying the party, why should I bother.

[@iank472]

@@DellikkilleD then you had better hope your DM is considerate enough to reward you if and when your out of the box plan fails (if they can work out how much xp a failed plan at your character level should reward). As to the "Why bother?" question if you can't be bothered to engage in the game then why on earth are you playing a TTRPG? This isn't level grinding in a video game.

[@DellikkilleD]

@@iank472 a 'failed' plan awards nothing. you dont reward failure lmfao, what are you even talking about? and well, no its not level grinding in a video game, the goal for most pc's is to become more powerful and *spoilers* leveling is the main way you do that rofl. which is why xp system gets the best results, as it it encourages the 'what will gain me the most' mentality.

[@iank472]

@@DellikkilleD what TTRPG do you play where bad rolls never happen? I've had plenty of great plans, both as a player and DM, fail spectacularly after a terrible roll or two by those trying to complete it. So yes a well thought out, clever plan that blows up because of bad luck should DEFINITELY be rewarded because you want players to be encouraged to TRY! Oh and you and I look for different things in games (which is fine). I play to have fun with my character and see what kind of nonsense my buddies and I can get away with. Leveling or becoming more powerful is a side effect of our tomfoolery.

[@ss3nm0dn4r8]

@@iank472 the ones where they gatekeep anything involving 5e and anything they deem simplifying or coddling the players

[@Doodle1776]

I personally hate milestone leveling. The idea that everyone levels at the same time regardless. Even more so with games like C&C where each class levels at different rates to maintain some balance. I give out XP for killing, capturing, driving away, or avoiding a fight the same. There's also XP for helping NPCs, finding locations, rescuing someone or something, picking locks, or diplomacy.

[@MWH12085]

I think milestone is much easier for first timer players and DM's.

[@auburnkeyblade2491]

As a DM myself, it's really helpful that everyone levels at the same rate, especially for balancing purposes. It also helps to unify the party, no one feels like they're weaker than someone else

[@realdragon]

The problem I see with this is that support characters won't get as much XP because they don't kill as much even tho they do so much

[@starbird3939]

Meh. I tend to play support and I do not get as much XP. It’s easier to just have leveling done at a set time so everyone can level up equally

[@andreacallegari7137]

Milestone leveling also helps with encounter balance in certain systems- a 4th level character in DND 5e is very different from a 5th level one. Also, players don't want to be left behind while the rest of the party progresses, and it could encourage spotlight hogging or murderhoboing. If a player interacts more with the world than another, his character's reward doesn't have to be experience points: the Dungeon Master can allow a character to have a better reputation with NPCs, find new items, grant Inspiration or Hero Points...

[@DellikkilleD]

dude shot his shot. he wasnt a dick about it. not sure why it was ok to shame him for literally nothing worse then some bluntness