CREEP DnD Player Gets PHYSICALLY Removed | r/rpghorrorstories

[@tona4x7]

7:05 "I know violence isn't the answer..." No, it's a question. The answer is "yes".

[@jfangm]

"The idea that violence never solved anything is wishful thinking at its worst." -Starship Troopers

[@windyface9383]

Creeps keep forgetting that THAT IS NOT HOW CHARM PERSON WORKS

[@Theokal3]

It's kinda sad honestly because from what I gathered, RPG writers noticed players were using mind-control that way and made sure to make it impossible mechanic-wise; even in games like World of Darkness or Chronicles of Darkness where you *do* have mind control powers, they usually are written in a way that make it clear that the victim snaps out of it if you push them too far. But apparently players happily ignore it regardless--'

[@marybdrake1472]

It's more a matter of them not caring rather than forgetting.

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

@@marybdrake1472 I'll buy your reasoning as it is all too easy for any of us to ignore clear evidence that something is not the way we want it to be.

[@marybdrake1472]

@@davidtherwhanger6795 There are a lot of people that do that yes.

[@lordbrowning]

My inner rules lawyer was screaming the same thing. You'd a much higher level spell like Geas or dominate monster to do that.

[@scottlofty]

I love Terry Pratchett 's atheist Discworld character. He had to dodge the lightning bolts hurled from the heavens by then gods that he doesn't believe in trying to smite the unbeliever.

[@conwaysquest6961]

Dorfl is best golem.

[@amberblackwell5614]

You can play an "atheist" in a D&D or other TTRPG setting but it would be in more of a "I don't really think any of the gods are worthy of worship" or even an "I'm just not really interested in religion" way but not in a "those clerics who literally pray and perform miracles aren't real" way.

[@vampire9545]

Quite, I say it as recognizing the title of god as any more or less relevant than king.

[@MarquisLeary34]

"Crom, I've never prayed to you before, I saw no need in it...." Conan knew how to do it right.

[@ArcCaravan]

I like the idea of an "aethiest/agnostic" character who views clerics/paladins as glorified warlocks. Like if people can willingly worship demons or dragons, why not have different views towards gods? Especially since nothing is stopping the aethiest/agnostic from realizing they're wrong.

[@amberblackwell5614]

That could definitely work and could present an interesting philosophical and narrative opportunity for a GM. What *does* make them different? Are they really *that* different at all? Why do some people swear pacts with archangels rather than becoming clerics? These are all interesting questions. @@ArcCaravan

[@negljbreakergaming]

Like Han Solo "Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

[@starofjustice1]

Oh great, another "charm person" r*pist... That I have to say "another" distresses me greatly.

[@axellis8333]

Fighter had some real fighter behavior there. Kudos!

[@zacharysieg2305]

Shoutout to Druid for digging up the (now ex)BF’s arrest record as well.

[@AppleWoods6]

I legitimately laughed at "...I don't think I could kill you"

[@MarquisLeary34]

There's an easy solution, honestly, in the "atheists in a fantasy setting with gods" problem, and I've played a few characters like this. Play as someone who very well believes in those entities, but does not consider them all powerful or worthy of worship. "Where you see a god, friend, I simply see an extremely powerful being. I'll respect it as such, but never worship. Don't believe in that."

[@Juju2927]

I kinda see it as the "It's not magic, it's just science I have yet to understand" kinda way lol.

[@Jermbot15]

"Tyr is a celestial with better press, and warlocks are types of clerics who get less magic from their 'gods' but other perks. I'd wager every "god" started with a few personal relationships to some exceptional individuals like our warlock friend, but once they get enough followers, they develop bureaucracy and standardize their offerings, like for our cleric friend."

[@Isaygoodday5]

Unfortunately that probably wouldn't be enough to satisfy the *smarter than thou* Reddit atheist types

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

@@Isaygoodday5 Idk, I'm a Reddit atheist type and I love that kind of writing, I think it's clever and realistic and there's a character like that in one of my favorite indie RPGMaker games (in fact, he's the protagonist).

[@RuinQueenofOblivion]

Its stories like the Cringe Athiest one that make me glad to have the group I have. My Monday campaign has a player who's character has a shall we say strong dislike of the gods, acknowledges their power, but doesn't like how they basically use mortals as pawns in their games and gets angry at them for it. I had the group cleanse a temple of Eilistraee (Drow campaign so its thematically appropriate) and had Eilistraee herself appear to thank the group and reward the Ranger/Cleric who serves her. So, yeah, this character went off on her and criticized her for using them and not more directly fighting Lolth before storming off. The player admitted to me that he expected her to smite him for his insolence, but I had a better idea. Over the last few sessions during a large scale combat encounter, a Drow Bard NPC joined the group (several NPCs joined the group to give them allies in a hostile city that was now actively searching for them after an alarm went off). Two memeber of the group had met her and learned that she was actually Eilistraee in disguise. Last session, she revealed herself to the whole group and the Drow Resistance, offering her help and saying that the god hating character had basically inspired her to get more involved and help them fight. OOC everyone knew it was her, but IC its about to get very interesting on Monday. It also led to a kind of funny moment where the Ranger/Cleric, after she healed his mate who was in bad shape, wished the blessings of Eilistraee... onto Eilistraee.

[@d34dj3d1]

Eilistraee is awesome

[@RuinQueenofOblivion]

@@d34dj3d1 Yes she is! The fact that she's awesome and wants to help Drow escape Lolth is honestly probably the only reason why that character didn't get struck down on the spot. If a player isn't a jerk about it, dealing with this kind of thing can lead to interesting interactions.

[@Theokal3]

First story: great, yet another guy who thinks Charm person can mind control people.... why do the writers even bother explaining it's not if people aren't even gonna read it?--' Though I admit I think your idea for OP to Thank Fighter by offering a dice set sounds great^^ Second story: Love how pretentious and stupid Cringey acts. Yeah, right, Wizards could pass themselves as gods to con money out of people in a setting where EVERYONE KNOWS MAGIC EXISTS! That's kinda like if in the real world someone tried to pass themselves as a god using technology, I think they'd be found out pretty quickly. Third story: not much to say except this must have been scary... Fourth story: Greg sounds like a pain.

[@ArcCaravan]

Your response to the atheist thinking gods are just wizards conning people just makes me think, "Cults....."

[@conwaysquest6961]

To be fair, If a wizard gets powerful enough, they can basically become demigods, so It's a gray area i guess.

[@vexaria7939]

For that last story, maybe the DM was a cardboard cutout and Greg was controlling it

[@damienhailey118]

Story 1: To paraphrase the comic Gold Digger: "Violence is not the answer. Violence is the *question.* The answer is YES!"

[@kevindavis4456]

Gold Digger by Fred Perry? Now, that is a deep cut. Haven't heard about that series in years.

[@damienhailey118]

@@kevindavis4456 heard it only finished like either this year or last year.

[@kevindavis4456]

@damienhailey118 I met the creator at a con years ago and payed for an art commission. He was a pretty cool dude.

[@Inkubun]

As far as I know in the second story. The Chaos Gods are essentially the same as they are in 40k and there is also The Horned Rat, I don't recall ever hearing stories or examples of events or times when any other God or equivalently powerful being has intervened or existed. Not to say that being an athiest would make much sense in that world. If you were a citizen of the Empire and didn't believe in Sigmar for whatever reason I'd think people would chastise you or even worse eliminate you for being open to the influences of chaos. In Fantasy though I think it's absolutely set in stone that The Horned Rat exists because during the Vermintide the Skaven open the Skittergate and literally summon him to eliminate all other life in the world, IIRC.

[@whensomethingcriesagain]

There's also the direct followers of Slaanesh, and the characters who become gods in their own right like Morathi

[@Keram-io8hv]

10:52 Character like this can exist in WH Fantasy, you can play some ultimate scholared wizard who goes to Chaos God shrine and say: "Yeah, you are just extremely OP being from another dimension but there is no proof you are a god" Survival is low, but you can do it

[@HobbiesGamesChillin]

Demon spawn appears and eats his friend “Well clearly it’s just some weird kind of lizard monster nothing magical about this”

[@jeanannd]

Cute new kitty Alice. All of your cats give us that needed cuteness that helps us through the horror stories and also life itself. 1st story: Good thing her friends had OP's BF do the one shot with her. She got to see what type of person he really was.

[@marchmonarch1684]

Gotta love the Doge it’s funny how listening to these stories I become a better DM little by little

[@GalacticPossum]

I hope he realizes what a big compliment that is. :)

[@symantares9171]

If Cringey hadn't been a jerk about it, an atheist Warhammer character could work if you played them as a crazy conspiracy theorist type. Might be a little ridiculous for WH but it could be done

[@ArcCaravan]

I doubt it was even about being atheist, just trying to "outsmart" the DM by predicting something that wasn't going to happen. Personally I like the idea of an atheist/agnostic who sees gods as another kind of extra powerful magical creature just for philosophical reasons, probably learning the difference later on.

[@Isaygoodday5]

It would pretty much be the Warhammer equivalent of the reptilian conspiracy theorists

[@zacharysieg2305]

23:49 SupPosEd tO be A leAdeR A GOOD LEADER KNOWS WHEN TO SHUT UP AND LET OTHER PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY’RE GOOD AT!!

[@TigerW0lf]

Facts, now if only the story wasn't written with so much missing information that I can't help but think he's lying

[@unluckyone1655]

Honestly Greg should just play 1 on 1 DnD with DM if he's just going to always do everything the other characters do but better regardless of class and level

[@PrideOfFantasy100]

I'm an atheist, but that ain't about his atheism. That's about him being a jerk. It would be the same as a religious person asserting there are gods in a sci Fi game that doesn't have religion or gods in the setting or something.

[@JupitersTears]

Or either side calling you an idiot for believing or not believing in something I'm kind of religious but that's all I tell people we all exist it doesn't matter who or what put us here if all it does is cause a pointless fight ya know?

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

Exactly. I'm a Christian, and I have never once been conflicted as a player or DM running a game with or without gods. And I have yet to run into a player or DM, atheist or not as I have played with both, that had a problem with it either. So definitely this dude was being a jerk just to be a jerk. OP dodged a bullet on this one.

[@vampire9545]

Atheist here - yes he was just a bad player. My perspective for DND at least I never touched a another ttrpg, atheism would be about recognizing the title of god as not relevant.

[@JupitersTears]

@@vampire9545 or used as a comedy device of not believing in any God when you can literally meet one like brain from family who's met God and Jesus several times lol

[@PrideOfFantasy100]

To add to this, it's a Role Playing Game! Play the role of someone who lives in that world. And those people would believe what they can see and interact with. If I played a Space Marine, you bet your left butt cheek I'd be shouting about the glory of the Emperor every chance I got. Cause that's the character. Character =/= player.

[@johnthecrazedsskull81]

Ironically in Warhammer there is a god of atheism called Necoho. Which I think could have been a funny twist if it turned out cringy had been trying to disprove the gods without knowing he was becoming a champion of a god. But he does sound like a problem players so maybe not.

[@ArcCaravan]

Seemed less like caring about atheism and more about trying to "outsmart" the DM.

[@jfangm]

Fourth story: Greg reminds me of my friend's wife. In both my L5R campaign and my friend's DnD campaign, she wanted to play a good-at-everything character who could negotiate, fight, AND do magic, while using weapons and skills ill-suited to her class.

[@t.k7five084]

Maybe she was afraid to 2 thank him normally. Because she might have been intimidated by him ( or his actions). Even if he was helping.

[@cgathunder2]

Fighter popped action surge 😂😂😂

[@indumatipngtuber2790]

Damn son, actual "I have 140 IQ!" fedora tipper!

[@megatronjenkins2473]

Yours is a house of chaos, sir!!! Cats and (at least) a doge living together?!? 🤣🤣🤣

[@WandererCayne]

8:21 Anxiety can make us worrisome or illogical in the eyes of others, among multitudes of possible reasons. I believe her last experiences, trumped by this last one, have made her slightly more cautious. Best we can do is hope that she gets the chance and that fighter is truly as he was during their game, thereby giving OP some much deserved friends.

[@stephentaylor356]

I wonder if the high player was talking about killing their characters in the game and thats why he didn't think he could kill the DM.

[@Klaital1]

That last story sounds to me like it was more the DMs fault than Gregs. Seems like the DM just let him do whatever he wanted.

[@SageDarkwind]

Cringy Atheist: "Gods don't exist!" DM: "And then along came Zeus..."

[@Zucca101]

Typical Brit. “Violence isn’t the answer!” Spoken after being saved by violence. Violence *shouldn’t* be the *first* answer, but it’s a good final answer if all else fails.

[@fatrat92]

A small minded man resorts to violence first, but that sure as hell doesn't mean there isn't a time and place for everything.

[@Spartan135]

Violence isn't the answer,it,'s a question,nd the answer is yes! 😂

[@Kavewolf1989]

I'd say in their case, violence probably wasn't the answer, unless it was fighters house. If that would have happened in my house and one of my guests tried to kick out another one of my guests and violence was involved, both of them are getting booted

[@UltimatBlitz]

When they said the dealer and roommate hated each other it made me wonder if the dealer could have like spiked something of his to get him back for the bed peeing

[@doan2300]

The idea of an atheist in a setting where Gods are as provable to exist as cats, reminds me of the discworld setting, where atheists exist and are always getting zapped by random lightning but still refuse to take the hint. The things I've heard some people believe, I think this is realistic for humans.

[@doan2300]

Also I've had a bad experience with another player thinking charm person would seduce my female character.

[@MarquisLeary34]

Again, it's easy to justify if one puts some thought into the character. "Aye, there are beings called gods, and they are far more powerful than I. But if I worshipped everything more powerful than I currently understand, it'd get rather tiresome and time consuming."

[@doan2300]

Not worshipping a deity but acknowledging it exists is different.

[@whensomethingcriesagain]

​@@doan2300What about acknowledging that the entity exists but denying it the status of deity?

[@iank472]

The Chaos Gods love atheists! Particularly Tzeentch. Nothing makes contracts for your immortal soul easier than someone who doesn't even think souls exist!

[@That3th3]

I'd love to run an atheist in a dnd world. Its like a conspiracy theorist in the dnd world and would be pretty wild

[@Agamemnon-w9x]

How does BF intend for anyone to copulate with a mermaid, don't they have a fish bottom? 😆 It's funny how he got 'bounced' by the Fighter 😂

[@ArcCaravan]

I assume the same way as any couple that can't breed with their partner.

[@Troublethecat]

Often times they'll just somehow have a vag anyway.

[@dakotastein9499]

13:32 Its never a good idea to indulge the ego of somone like this,if they are acting like a jackass,call them out on it...otherwise thier innability to read the room will only become a problem again,if not for you,then for someone else.

[@Pyrothebored]

THE SPICE MUST FLOWWWWWW

[@lechecbb]

Funnily enough in warhammer 40k, there is an atheist character named Fabius Bile. He uses science to rationalize the chaos gods not being real, and when the god of pleasure literally spoke to him, he called them an abbreviation and denounced them to their face. You would think that wouldn't work, but somehow the writters did with him, and it's really fascinating. So I think it can be done, but cringey was clearly not being smart with what he was doing and just wanted to feel superior. I'm not sure if the op feeding cringeys ego was the right way to go, but yeaah, a definite bullet dodged there.

[@bradymenting5120]

I think it'd be a funny premise for a character to actively believe that gods aren't real and that they're just a massive conspiracy to fleece people with magic and illusions in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. basically a fantasy flat-earther

[@kingfreedom160]

That's why you don't do drugs, kids.

[@Infovorousness]

Being an atheist in most D&D settings and especially Warhammer is like being a flat earther IRL

[@HobbiesGamesChillin]

It’s not unheard of in WH or WH fantasy to be fair But dude was such a douche it was not an option

[@sarsapong]

Horay dodge is back

[@Orsonfoe]

story 1) big red flags with this one. not just mind controlling but he tried to make it all op fault. it was her choice. story 2) creepy seems like the type who thinks cause he is an atheist and doesn't believe in any sky daddy he is automatically big brain smarter than everyone else. depending on the setting in WH an atheist could work but not in a way the real world work. he would basically be at the mercy for the chaos gods or be targeted by the imperial as a heretic. story 3) well hat was wild. glad no one got hurt. story 4) what if greg is the DM and no one knew.

[@brianvance1178]

An atheist character wouldn’t make sense in DnD or any other tabletop games, especially when clerics and paladins can literally ask their gods to come down from the heavens and to destroy their enemies for them. Now a Kratos-esque character with a grudge against the gods or seeks the death of one god in particular would be possible

[@Theokal3]

Yeah about that. I don't mean to contradict you, just asking sincerely as someone who's not that familiar with either DnD's or Warhammer's lore and is curious about this.... is it really THAT far-stretched? I mean, those worlds are huge, surely there could be isolated areas with people who have never seen gods or divine magic or the Chaos? I am not even an atheist, I am mostly just asking out of curiosity.

[@VillagerJeff]

I don't know about D&D lore, but in Pathfinder lore, atheists are a recognized thing. It's different than real-world atheists, though. They're instead people who don't worship any gods even though they know they exist.

[@brianvance1178]

@@VillagerJeff that’s about the only way an atheist could work in fantasy settings

[@Juju2927]

​@@brianvance1178Either that or as one who reject the authority of the gods, like, they recognize their existence but refuses to acknowledge the power they have on their plan.

[@JupitersTears]

​@@brianvance1178 isn't that agnostic believing in God's and choosing not to worship any?

[@idontconsenttoinfobeingsol3041]

Id have ran the campaign for that 40k nonbeliver. Get labled a heretic first five seconds. Imperial guard arrest and then turn them into a servator.

[@randallgpreston]

Bringing in an atheist character would make sense. In 40k lore almost all of civilization worships the emperor as a god, but the emperor is known for denying he is a god. The church of 40k works hard to convince everyone that the emperor is a god. The chaos gods are called gods by chaos followers, but not by the empire. The empire refers to them as deamons. It all comes down to what definition of god you are using. Dnd gods can be treated the same way.

[@pumpkinicing]

Yay!! Always look forwards to Doge

[@pumpkinicing]

Heh, my current D&D group helped get me out of an abusive relationship. It's always really cool to see how good groups help each other.

[@Zathurious]

That story made me wish fighter was my boyfriend. Such gentlemanly behavior. But, that's just a flight of fancy. I'm relieved that the op got spared from a potentially toxic relationship.

[@ramirezthesilvite]

"Cringy atheist" stories annoy me. I don't doubt people like that exist, but they often come across as caricatures by a religious storyteller, even if that's not necessarily the case. But then I've also seen stories of it being the other way around, where a religious person can't reconcile their real-life beliefs with the fantasy world, so I guess it's just a thing some people struggle with.

[@dakotastein9499]

I'm Christian and having played TTRPGs for a good portion of my life I can say I've ran into both... They are just more specific examples of players bringing their own biases in the game,which is a lot more common than one would think.

[@krystlvines]

tzeench would destroy that guy

[@eldritch-rage]

UM, DOGE? Are you really not gonna elaborate on the actual drug induced child murder you casually dropped?

[@simonO712]

The atheist story made me think of what could be a fun character concept: a conspiracy theorist who denies the existance of gods in ways similar to for example flat earthers and moon landing deniers.

[@dakotastein9499]

A Warhammer version of rusty shackleford.

[@Kavewolf1989]

I cant remember whos house it was, but if it was the fighters house he was in the right. I think if fighter was in someone elses house, starting shit and kicking other peoples guests out is out of line imo.

[@7thsealord888]

Story #1 - Kudos to Fighter for shutting this sicko down as thoroughly and decisively as he did. His texts afterwards only prove that OP had a very lucky escape. Story #2 - Starting out as a non-believer in a Ghod-rich setting shouldn't really be a problem. After all, many Gods tend to take that sort of thing personally, so would probably single out such people for **special** attention. No problem. Then again, what this DM did was probably the smart move, as it sounded like that person was going to be nothing but trouble. Story #3 - Not really an RPG horror story as such. Main take away being, Don't Do Drugs. Story #4 - Ditch Greg, and probably the DM as well, since he is obviously allowing this cr#p to happen.

[@marybdrake1472]

I don't know about that second story. It kind of sounds like that guy might have some kind of episode. It's really hard to say though. People can get weird from out of the blue at times. As for the third story, yeah, the DM/GM was enabling Greg really hard.

[@ArcCaravan]

Greg was the fourth story, third was the guy acting crazy (whether it be by drugs or an episode), second was the smug guy acting like he predicted an atheism twist that was never a thing.

[@marybdrake1472]

@@ArcCaravan I'm not very good with numbers Arc, more so really early in the day. 😆 But yeah, there was a particular brand of crazy during this episode.

[@ArcCaravan]

@@marybdrake1472 Fair. Part of me thought you got the format mixed up with Crispy or other channels that have a short intro story before the "actual" first story.

[@marybdrake1472]

@@ArcCaravan Yeah, I just had some trouble due to the early hour I watched the video. I know that Doge doesn't use the same format as Crispy and Jacob Crowe. I just messed up a bit. 😅

[@ArcCaravan]

@@marybdrake1472 Figured. Just a thought I had. Not trying to bust your chops over a mistake.

[@fred_derf]

I'm familiar with War Hammer 40.000 only in the sense that I know it exists and is a miniatures wargame, but what's the problem with a character being an atheist? So what if he thinks the gods are just powerful Wizards, it doesn't change what they can do, even if it was true, right?

[@zeogold]

In 40k gods are known and intervene with all sentient beings in the milky way galaxy thing is four of the the most powerful gods are the last ones that you want to worship. The Emperor saw how dangerous these four gods were and did what he could to get humans to not worship gods in order to weaken the four bad gods but it back fired and now humans see him as a god and have spent ten thousand years worshiping him and causing him to turn into a new god. A run of the mill religion bashing atheist would not stay alive for very long in that universe.

[@kevlonk]

Actually, it absolutely matters in Warhammer Fantasy. In this instance, the gods being gods absolutely matters, as not only do they play an active role in the setting, but they also imbue their followers with power.

[@vampire9545]

So they're the US government when they toppled so many regimes during the Cold War? I was unaware that the US government was a god. Just because their reach is so wide doesn't mean they deserve the title of God necessarily to be recognized as such.

[@MarquisLeary34]

@@kevlonk "You say it's a god, I say it's a powerful being I do not understand, at least yet. I'll respect their power, but never worship them." that makes more sense. Naturally, this wouldn't be much of a shield if the pious overhear you and get indignant.

[@fred_derf]

@@zeogold, writes _"In 40k gods are known and intervene with all sentient beings in the milky way galaxy thing is four of the the most powerful gods are the last ones that you want to worship."_ OK, I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, but how would that affect a character who believed the "gods" were just super powerful sorcerers and not actual gods (what ever that means)? If the player wants their character to be a vocal atheist, that might result in them not living for very long, but that's the player's issue. All I see is that giving the DM (does War Hammer have a DM?) more plot hooks.

[@HobbiesGamesChillin]

Ah to be young and taking copious amounts of hard narcotics again

[@justinbradford6086]

I smoke a blunt of spice working at 711 im just fine some people can handle it some cant but i have a higher tolerance i do acid 7 hits at a time

[@SnaxTheSnaxolotl]

Alice!!!

[@GarkKahn]

To give you some info in Warhammer Imagine living during the middle ages but with god literally intervening on the events one way or the other, that should give you an idea on how unlikely being atheist would be in the setting

[@ArcCaravan]

That just makes me imagine how either you take the cleric's word that it's their god doing it or the god showing up in person.

[@ThroughTheThornvine]

7 seconds jeez. morning yall

[@gnollsuwu3861]

Bro came from the atheist subreddit, you can absolutely tell lol

[@tmacm2237]

Greg sounds like a real man baby.

[@SrenHolm-k3o]

10:58 Not an option? He cannot decide what his character does or doesn't believe? Whether gods exist in the setting or not is irrelevent; It's about what the character believes. You think average Joe adventurer can tell the difference between monsters, demons, gods and wizards? Is that weirdly colored light caused by a wizard, a god, a warp effect, a demon or something else? You think every single person in the Warhammer ingame universe can tell and knows objectively how the world works? OP is cringe in this one.

[@vortega472]

It's little Alice, it's been a long time. What's up girl?! I'm happy the OP got away from the jerkoff before things got bad. This is why I prefer cats over people.

[@Mgauge]

If this was 30k, then the character being an atheist would make sense. The gods are still real, but the main human faction deliberately enforced atheism in an attempt to weaken the most powerful, evil ones around. It's one of the biggest ironies of the setting in 40k that the guy who set this policy and hated religion as a concept is now worshipped as a god and is well on his way to becoming one against his will after his "death".

[@vegeta002]

Atheism and gods being confirmed to exist work fine together, you can acknowledge they exist without worshipping them. Just ask Batman. People act like they're mutually exclusive, but every religious person is already an atheist towards any gods other than the one they follow.

[@MarquisLeary34]

Warhammer Fantasy, not 40k. Gods are very much a thing, but only the Chaos gods do much more with humanity than Sigmar, Moor, Ar Ulric, ect....

[@ShiKageMaru]

"I know violence isn't the answer." It is and it was. People need to stop saying shit like that. Fighter's violence was 100% necessary and if it weren't for that we would've had a real horror story. Also I don't think story 2 was handled well. You gotta call people an asshole when they're being an asshole or else they'll never stop. "You don't believe in gods irl? That's fine. Do you believe in wizards? Trolls? Orcs? No? Weird cuz the game has those. It has gods too. So if you can believe that it has wizards you can believe that it has gods too. Now quit trying to outsmart/accuse me of lying and engage with what I'm telling you about the system if you want to play."

[@vfa-2126]

As someone pointed out in another comment thread; violence actually ISN'T the answer, it is the QUESTION...And in that situation the answer was YES.

[@CooperAATE]

Glad I won't get the boot!

[@lamiahunter]

Theres a big difference between atheist and antitheist

[@ArcCaravan]

As much as I sympathize with the idea of an athiest character in a fantasy setting with religious-themed magic archetypes (just for plot and philosophical potential regardless of results), that guy from this atheist story is incredibly aggravating for acting like he predicted the campaign would be about false gods. I do not support OP choosing the "you win, you're right" lie and would just tell him that they're real in the setting and they can choose to not play a non-aethiest game.

[@werebuffalo]

I hate it when my game sessions are interrupted by police brutality.

[@prinnyramza]

Violence isn't the answer. It's a question and in that situation the answer was yes.

[@timelordhero7026]

lol that 1st story sound fake as hell, but a good story.

[@l0stndamned]

Much respect to fighter.

[@vampire9545]

Atheist dude was just being a dick. And op did right by saying he won the campaign. However Atheism does fit within TTRPGs because at the end of the day atheism is about recognizing the "title" of "god" relevant. And why should they, it sounds slightly meta but objectively factual - a group of 3-5 random creatures around lv 15 defeat taimat a "dragon goddess". That's a pisspoor "god". With myself an atheist, I play atheist PCs but it never comes up and if does it comes out as "alledged god". Ive played only rangers so far, I see their magic as a gift on loan by both nature itself and by manipulation of (meta)physics. Thus drawing a sigil with some words has an effect. Personally I see this no different than the sun given us the gift of light and loaning its warmth to allow us to exist on this planet. Is the sun a God? To some cultures, and clearly judeo Christian and many other popular religions have such a sun god within them If it is just metaphors. Within dnd lore the Athar are an atheist faction with Clerics and paladins.

[@paulman34340]

That right there! I think it came down to him wanting to "Win" then because he was Atheist! The smugness of how he claimed he "predicted OP plot" says it all! Also add Narc to his list of flaws with how OP acted "Submissive" when he "admitted" that the dude "figured him out" and missed how he was being "dis-invited" which showed he was "too high on his own farts" to realize he just GOT EJECTED from the game! He's a different type of Problem! The Player with the "DM vs Player" mentality where he has to WIN DnD by outwitting/smarting the DM! Such as SPOILING "plot twists" (what makes him stupid is, that isn't even the plot twist, how the hell did what OP describe get the conclusion the cringelord present! So their all just Wizards in a world where everyone has magic somehow tricking everyone to make them LEADERS and such "for some coin?" Yeah he most definately did NOT think that through! he's either still ignorant, or realized after he humiliated himself and only says HEY to OP in hopes OP never realizes what an ASS the idiot made himself out to be!)

[@TigerW0lf]

1st: Why do I have to keep telling people, CHARM PERSON DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!?! Also I hope that creep is in jail, he seems like the kind of guy caught dropping the soap.🤬🖕 2nd: Dude, don't argue with the source material like you think that the DM is trying to do a gatcha story. You can literally look it up ANYWHERE to confirm it. 3rd: JFC, it sounds like someone needed to snitch on more than one person in that college. 4th: I'm sorry, that rants a little sus. It feels like there is some information purposefully left out (i.e. why the DM wasn't involved in ANY of this) in order to make themselves look innocent

[@dragonturtle2703]

Violence isn’t the answer. It’s the question, and the answer is yes. Seriously though, we need less pacifists in society. It’s more about why you use it.

[@JupitersTears]

Pacifism isn't avoiding violence completely more avoiding unnecessary violence in my opinion

[@dragonturtle2703]

@@JupitersTears Sounds like we have different definitions, since that sounds more like non-aggression to me (not starting anything), and even that isn't perfect since it can let things snow ball out of control before effecting you directly.

[@Nomorehero07]

Of course, violence isn't the answer. It is a question, in this case for the what the BF did. The answer is obviously HELL FREAKING YEAH!

[@Nesseight]

My theory is that the guy from the first story was always getting cuckolded. This is why he was arrested for beating his last GF. Then he tries to take his frustration out in game only to be cuckolded again when someone slightly less nerdy than him carried him out of a D&D game like a trash bag and stole his girl. In a sobbing rage, he did some fentanyl and took it out on his roommates and is in fact the SAME guy in that third story.

[@ayrtonsoaressenadasilva5561]

Too scared to thank him? Sorry, I don't get it.

[@Djanck000]

Of all the things that never happened "creep gets the boot" never happened the most.

[@makinganegg-tempt1986]

tho it would be so funny to have a character that is whole on tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist flat eath-er type, who really thinks gods are just a hoax in a world full of actual gods ... Just saying!

[@eriknelson901]

Ok saying violence isn't the answer after finding out the guy has an arrest record for domestic viloence makes you sound like a clown. It shouldn't be your first response unless that's what you are presented with. Just saying violence isn't the answer as a blanket statement makes you just sound ignorant.

[@paulman34340]

Or Naive! Many assume Violence doesn't need to happen. But frankly, despite being a peaceful person. I've LONG accepted (back in my mid 20's) that Violence is just ONE of many answers to problems! And sadly can end up being THE ONLY Answer as people aren't nice, many being assholes who can't stop (nor want to stop) themselves from being MAJOR assholes! I also love this one asshole commenter up here before I replied to this comment who was "honest to god" trying to be a "devil's advocate" for the BF and make Fighter the bad guy, up to including ignoring how EX got into Fighter's face FIRST, being the aggressor (hate to inform the idiot commenter....actually I don't. But the moment you get in someones face and make threats of violence! You ARE the aggressor! That "making people flinch to make yourself feel big because flinching means fear" are idiots and I don't feel sorry for them when they get ATTACKED because Intimidation tends to have that result! You'll get people to fear and back down! Or you'll get confused as acting aggressive and bring about a VIOLENT response! No one is going to "shot last" So like when you pull a gun on someone! ALWAYS do so while EXPECTING to fire it! Don't just "point it and think you're playing around" as no one who has a gun pointed at them is going to think "you're playing") This person ignored everything else because I doubt they care about the EX and more like the Cringelord from Story 2, they just want to be the "outlier/smartest person in the room" and instead come off as an "idiot who just admitted their siding with a domestic abusive alpha male wannabe to look important when their not!"

[@KeiserenTheSlime]

I hate the way the comments and narrator decided that the guy from the first story is a bad person, while he didn't do anything wrong and his girlfriend didn't deign to stop him or say that she didn't like it. And suddenly everyone decided that a Fighter was a tough guy when he demanded that another player not do something and then demanded that he leave someone else's house, as if he had the right to do so

[@Troublethecat]

What do you mean "He did nothing wrong?" He tried to force a sexual situation on the DM and another player, made everyone at the table uncomfortable and turned aggressive when he was told no.

[@KeiserenTheSlime]

@@Troublethecat As I remember after 6 days, he turned agressive only when other player demanded him to leave, and he have right to be mad at this point. And he was not "forsing" anyone, he just gave the opportunity to his girlfrend, because he thought this was sexy. Players and GM after one mistake became so hostile to him, and nobody mentions it, and that's what I'm talking about

[@stephentaylor356]

Gotta be honest, i dont believe the story about the athiest. I've heard too many totaly fabricated stories that start with something like 'let he who is without sin...' and end with '...then, I totally destroyed the athiest professor-doctor-lawyer and sent him home crying...'. the whole thing stinks of bullshit to me.

[@dakotastein9499]

There ARE players like this just as there are overzealous religious players.. It's not so much of an atheist vs religion thing as it is an example of smug assholes that try to impose of the DM.

[@stephentaylor356]

@dakotastein9499 and there are also people who lie about the other side of an argument to make themselves look good and their opponents look bad. The story stinks of BS to me, don't know what to tell ya.