Drinker's Chasers - Jon Favreau Isn't Going To Save Star Wars

[@WillFredward7167]

Star Wars is still being held hostage by the same people that ruined it. As long as that remains true, no one could possibly save it

[@fwabble]

FIRE KK

[@bartsullivan4866]

Exactly they still don't get it and never will.

[@CloneShockTrooper]

I agree

[@AtlatlMan]

Story of our civilisation, really.

[@WillFredward7167]

@@AtlatlMan 😭

[@wesrm1]

It's a blatant reminder of one of the biggest mistakes they made in The Mandalorian: having Grogu go back to Mando rather than train with Luke Skywalker.

[@rennmaxbeta]

💯%

[@motinuppi]

tbh, I would have been happy if they’d kept Luke and the SW main story out of it altogether. Just have Grogu remain along for the ride while Mando did bounty hunter stuff in the galaxy, and by the end of each season they’d tease us another crumb with the Grogu mystery… and simultaneously flesh out Mando’s history and backstory. Could have done a bunch of seasons and I would have been a happy camper… but no. They blew their load the moment the show started to gain momentum. Oh well…

[@matthewmagda4971]

Yep, I lost interest before even seeing the trainwreck that was Season 3.

[@freakshowfilmfestival3591]

The way I saw Mandalorian, it was like an Old West gunslinger type of show. AND THEN GROGU CAME BACK. 🤦 And there was a part in Season 3 when the pirates are in the city, and Mando starts doing his gunslinger stuff and I am like cool, back to what it should be. Then Lizzo and Jack Black, I was really done.

[@TheNightrider88]

I'm the one from minority who actively disliked Grogu (while it was painfully obvious that they want me to adore it) and lost all the marbles when he came back.

[@BobSmith-gl3sn]

No one can save Star Wars. No one can pixar. No one can save marvel. No one can save Disney. Because they dont want to be saved

[@liamphibia]

Andor's perhaps the one Star Wars show all of us are extremely invested in. It's not going to save Star Wars, but it's gonna be a damn good show in the end. Every other Star Wars project can go to the firey pits of hell for all we care.

[@ryanbarker5217]

@@liamphibia 'andor's perhap the one star wars show all of us are extremely invested in.' bwahahahahaha! sorry, what i meant to say was bwahahahahaha! damnit!

[@zacharymcmillan2788]

"I'm not going to kill you,but I don't have to save you." - Batman,to Ras Al' Ghul - 'Batman Begins'

[@vasheroo]

I was hoping for a Filoni and Favreau lead toppling of KK when season 1 Mando dropped. I had enjoyed clone wars the show maybe even more than the prequels, especially the last season. I would have been willing to give it a chance. To date my favorite Disney SW has been Andor and also Rogue One. But Andor is probably peak Disney SW imo.

[@ryanmatthews3609]

nothing can save league of legends and riot games (not even arcane) cause they refuse to admit they and what there doing is wrong.

[@MoodusOperandi]

I used to work in the film industry and filmed next to to the studio stage for The Rise of Skywalker a few years back. Story was that production forced the extras to work hours on end without a break. It takes ages to take off the Stormtrooper suits, so requests to have a toilet break were ignored. One poor Stormtrooper couldn't hold it and went number 2 in his red suit. Costume department had to hose him and the suit down. It's an nice little anecdote to show how bad things were starting to go.

[@OsloTime]

Yeesh, that's a grim workplace when you accidentally p00p your costume because they're not allowing bathroom breaks. 😲😳😟😖

[@NekoBoyOfficial]

Makes sense because the first 6 movies took 3 years each, while the sequel trilogy only took 2 years each. Everything about those movies screams rushed.

[@LN-Lifer]

I would be more excited for a Jar Jar movie made by anyone else than I would any Star Wars movie made by Disney!

[@superfuss1984]

The Darth Jar Jar Cut.... :SonofaBitch, iamIn! :

[@guitarlordkryss]

darth jar jar movie being plageus would be pure genius but i wouldn't trust KK to deploy a good story related to anything.

[@Jadty]

George should just take his sequel treatments and do a new trilogy. Galaxy Conflict Episode VII, or something like that.

[@rickmartin7596]

That is the deepest burn I've read in a comment section. Your perspicacity is to be applauded.

[@LN-Lifer]

@@rickmartin7596 The sad thing is I sincerely mean it!

[@nont18411]

“Somehow Jon Favreau returned.” - Bob Iger “I am all the Star Wars!” - Jon Favreau “And I am all the Disney.” - Dave Filoni

[@thisisnotachannel]

"Ah haha... my company is DEAD, ah haha!" - Mickey Mouse

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

🤣🤣🤣

[@michaelfields7088]

"Then Star Wars truly is dead." - Mark Hamill

[@Khultan]

😅

[@davfree9732]

Activist: “We need to pull off some Kennedy manoeuvres. Do some real damage.” Iger: “Don’t get ahead of yourself. A head of Studio like her is 1 in a million.” *Leslie Headland has entered the chat*

[@hanakun]

The funny thing is , they put names people like in hopes those names attract older fans back, but the problem is you bring people WITHOUT creative control. It's useless to bring anyone if you won't let them do their thing.

[@fr0ck360]

Sam Raimi in MoM basically

[@chrisb9960]

Skip the production entirely. This is the way.

[@kri249]

Came to the comments to say exactly this. They want the directors name tied to it because they earned their reputation for directing. But they didn't want them to actually direct.

[@DensilGrant]

Favreau is an idiot the same as Kennedy he has creative control that's why they like him he peddles the same garbage they do

[@TheWarmachine375]

Jon Favreau already dropped the ball with The Mandalorian Season 3 by making Din Djarin a sidekick of Bo Katan and sidelined from being a main character of his own show.

[@chasehedges6775]

That was Dave and KK, not him.

[@nont18411]

“I was isolating the potential to wield the force!” - Darth Gussy Fring

[@JS-sv4ol]

They’ll do the same with the movie; some kind of realization that “Mandalorian” isn’t owned by mysognistic white men blah blah blah Bo katan beats everyone blah blah

[@Shaejin]

@@chasehedges6775 Favreau let it happen. Season 2 neutered Boba Fett, introduced the strong and brave Asoka and had few moments of excellence outside of memberberries.

[@tiptap2352]

and also the rest of the show, yeah

[@ggt47]

"Let Star Wars die,kill it if you have to." - Kylo Ren.

[@agenticmark]

Those words were straight from kk mouth. She wrote that line talking about the prequels and the originals. And we agree. Let it die. And without the old the new has no meaning and is garbage.

[@gcrosheffielduk]

I walked out of watching The Last Jedi at the cinema and swore never to watch Star Wars again. And I haven’t. Any Disney Star Wars = Bobbins.

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

Then you were a fool.TFA was absolute crap.

[@gcrosheffielduk]

@@naamadossantossilva4736 to be fair I gave their first effort the benefit of the doubt. But for me TLJ was the straw that broke the camels back.

[@lukeannettdj]

Did the same thing. But Andor is worth watching.

[@SuperSpamGuy]

Pretty much same. I came back to check out Obi Wan just to confirm I made the right choice lol

[@amitmeena2961]

Pirate Andor... Atleast season 1 escaped Disney's evil shadow. After those Emmy nominations, kk and suits are going to knock on their door so there's not much hope for season 2.

[@Nickle_King]

How many times has Star Wars been "saved" now because of X thing? It's really sad how others keep saying that. It's like a person trapped in a desert telling themselves "over the next sand dune there will be water."

[@edgarbm6407]

Just like the desert, the oasis in the distance is only a mirage.

[@NarrativeArcade]

Star Wars is dead because they never passed the torch properly. I did a video breakdown of this, a what if they gave Star Wars the Cobra Kai treatment. They would actually have somewhere to go. But they burned the past, they abolished the EU, and they never passed the torch to a new generation. Hence why we're stuck on the same planet with the same people in an ouroboros of diminishing returns. It's dead.

[@chasehedges6775]

Soooo true

[@thisisnotachannel]

It's been dead... but that doesn't seem to be factoring in to whether or not Diz-nee decides to continue shitting out movies under the SW banner... or whether or not the mindless masses will pay to go see what they shit out. Diz-nee will continue to do so indefinitely, until the shite they release is no longer financially successful... and THAT part is all up to the consumer. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if they kept on going even AFTER the fact...

[@Jarbels]

Checked out your video! Great breakdown & some insightful takes.

[@NarrativeArcade]

@@Jarbels Thank you! It's a bit different from the usual takes and I had reservations if people would appreciate it. But I was wrong, I use my screenwriting experience to point at structural issues. There's a lot more on the channel (and more on the way). I got a big 60-minute-long documentary planned in February called 'Why No One Knows How to Adapt Halo for Screen.'

[@Pneumanon]

Yeah I think that was a common opinion among people who were commenting on Cobra Kai when it started. It actually continued the stories of the original characters (in interesting/unexpected ways) while introducing new ones. It should be utterly basic stuff, but Disney Lucasfilm clearly did not want to honour or respect the existing (male) characters. It’s a shame Cobra Kai degenerated into basic teen melodrama, but it had a good start for a season or two.

[@chasehedges6775]

It’s weird, I remember back in 2019 how Rise Of Skywalker had been the one thing to kill Star Wars and then The Mandalorian brought some of the magic back for a while

[@LN-Lifer]

For about one season you mean

[@janelleg597]

I couldn't get over that stupid Yoda creature. Useless, no personality, marketing ploy, cheesy stupid magic crap. Give me a break..

[@thisisnotachannel]

There was no magic. It was only marginally better than the Kathleen Kennedy films, and that was enough to get fans hopes up... then Diz-nee pulled the rug from under your feet, you landed hard on your ass, and you asked yourself "Again? SERIOUSLY? How did I NOT see this coming?" As a Star Trek fan, all you SW fans have my sympathy.

[@TheEvertw]

The only decent Star Wars movie Disney produced, was Rogue One. All the rest are various levels of bad. Even TFA, though somewhat amusing, established Rey as a Mary Sue. TLJ was a mess that contradicted the Universe, TRoS was a boring mess of a fetch-fest, and Solo was click-bait with a ridiculous plot and a ridiculous droid posing as a ridiculous feminist. I haven't watched any of the stuff that requires a Disney subscription.

[@LN-Lifer]

@@TheEvertw I couldn't even get into Rogue One. Probably because even though I have always been a fan of the original movies I was never so fascinated as to be a member of the real fandom. I just didn't know enough of the lore and couldn't bring myself to care about the characters. Honestly, I don't think I made it halfway through. But my hatred for Disney and all things woke has me feeling a kinship with the nerds (if I ever belonged in a group myself it would be the nobodies). And since then I have been introduced to a lot of great things I would not have known about otherwise. In short. If so many of you say Rogue One is pretty good then I owe it to myself to give it another try

[@LN-Lifer]

Disney doesn't really have to micromanage directors like JF They just have to put in a bunch of dei rules at the top that must be adhered to. They don't have to be right there on site...they castrate the product from the start

[@julioacceus253]

Makes you think how creatives under Lucas didn't have to deal with this kind of bs before he sold it. To a respectable degree.

[@arramon777]

Whats worse....DEI rules or a rant from Cruise about not wearing a mask? Maybe Bale coming down on you while still in character... =b

[@LN-Lifer]

@@arramon777 DEI is worse. If you want to know the truth, I don't think Cruise personally gave a s*** about masks. He just didn't want the whole damn thing being shut down. That's work ethic there!

[@ab-hx8qe]

@@LN-Liferwell said!

[@bluemutt9964]

Favreau has the talent that people all give to Filoni, its unfortunate he was probably forced by the studio to steer away from his vision. We can't have someone with one coherent vision nowadays without a committee's approval can we

[@Matthew10950]

Pussification destroyed everything. It's our fault.

[@DensilGrant]

No one forced him to do anything he's an utter moron 🙄

[@stevewhite3424]

Shame he didn't have the balls to walk. He's just another sycophant hoping something falls off the star wars table just for him "Waaaah! Those mean people MADE me do it!"

[@jamesthecat]

Favreau was brilliant.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@jamesthecat Yeah, that man's basically why we got the MCU in the first place, since he was a big driving force behind the first Iron Man movie and pushed heavily for RDJ to be Iron Man.

[@george1914]

This is definitely damage control, if there's no positive "buzz" they'll just drop the project 😂

[@krissteel4074]

'looks at the burning train wreck of star wars over the last 10 years' yeah nah mate, its f00ked

[@snakedogman]

How many Star Wars movies have been announced and then quietly cancelled by now?

[@osets2117]

If Jon was actually in charge and had nobody else behind the scenes then I would be excited for this movie. Unfortunately he's not

[@BillPeschel]

The discussion about the director's authority reminds me of Kevin Smith talking about his experiences directing an episode of the Flash. He wasn't brought in to turn the episode into a Kevin Smith-style product, but essentially to sit in his chair, yell "action" and "cut," and let everyone else do their jobs.

[@InterestedAmerican]

It feels like Jon Favreau being announced as the director of the proposed Mandalorian movie was a bate-and-switch to get attention and controversy of the Rey movie and its director. Jon Favreau knows how Disney and Lucas Film is being run. When Favreau, a male, was working to restore Star Wars in the minds and hearts of fans, he was promptly overruled and everything he had in mind for the Mandalorian got destroyed. The result was a disappointing Mandalorian season three. Jon Favreau is a contracted free agent, and would most likely refuse any position at Lucas Film with Disney in the midst of complete and utter IP distruction for all their entertainment properties.

[@Mouse_Metal]

I very much hope he walks away and takes the characters he created (Mando and Grogu) with him, so Pissney wouldn´t be able to use them. Good luck with Bo-Karen, Dangerhair and Ahwoka! :D

[@bartsullivan4866]

The only way to get the Mandalorian back on track would be for the character actually to go back to bounty hunting and actually show some of the New Republic full of crooks and ruthless individuals as well. Get away from baby Yoda and him fighting storm troopers and like The Man With No Name go after bounties. But they'll never do that. Doesn't fit the Disney M.O. that's why it would work.

[@reelfishstories]

They keep doubling down on what’s ruining them financially. But the most offensive thing is that they’re shooting on digital, or super diffusing the lighting to the point everything is underexposed. Mix that with awful and over reliance on cgi and you get absolute sh!t

[@voodjin]

If you think The Mandalorian and Grogu will be bad, wait until the Sequel The Mandalorian and Grogu and Asoka gets released..

[@jiggycalzone8585]

You're making the assumption the movie won't actually be about her and mandalorian is just marketing

[@voodjin]

@@jiggycalzone8585 You're right, how silly of me..

[@jiggycalzone8585]

@@voodjin I've learned to always anticipate the dumbest outcome when it comes to Disney's movements

[@frocat5163]

Don't forget Grand Simpmiral Thrawn!

[@Garoslol]

@@frocat5163 and the girl bosses

[@CloneShockTrooper]

I once believed in Dave Filoni.. later on I lost faith in all of them. The only series I really liked was Andor. For some reason this show resonated with me. Especially the part of it dealing with ISB.

[@jaxsonburch-eo1vz]

Because it’s well written. GilRoy knew how to use characters we’d never met before and make us care about them. There was tension and risk In almost every scene. Complete opposite of Mandalorian.

[@agenticmark]

Agreed. And it is the best Star Wars post rogue 9.

[@f1jones544]

​​​@@jaxsonburch-eo1vzAndor was insanely poorly written; uninsulated electrified prison floors with water taps nearby but no armed droids. Talk about convenience lol. Or even Andor going to his adoptive mommy's funeral as the only proactive decision he made for himself in the entire season? He's a moron. It could have existed in any universe. It just wasn't comedically stupid, which I guess in this day and age is confused for good writing.

[@jaxsonburch-eo1vz]

@@f1jones544 Terrible take, literally every action Andor took was proactive. He only cared about himself until the very end. It’s showing us how he becomes the man in rogue one who is willing to sacrifice everything for a cause he knows he won’t live to see the end of. And the lack of droids is no mistake, it’s meant to show how cocky and arrogant the empire is that they believe that fear alone is enough to stop any form of rebellion. Also if you think Andor is terribly written then what is something you consider well written?

[@f1jones544]

@@jaxsonburch-eo1vz lol, And/or made zero "proactive" decisions until he decided to go to Mommy's funeral. I mean, literally, he didn't unless you also want to include opening the water taps. Until then he was along for the ride in his own show like every other recent SW protagonist. "Cocky" governments don't typically become empires that rule 90% of any known territory, so that copout of an excuse doesn't fly, nor does it jive with Palpatine's multidimensional chess that he played to assume his position in the first place. And/or's Empire is like "Hogan's Heroes," a feckless joke that occurs only in fiction. And yes, the fact we all know that And/or plank is going to die soon in a spinoff reduces the meaning of this show as a whole and renders it as just set piece that attempts to convey living conditions under the Empire, which really don't seem nearly as attrotious as they should. To that end, again, that prison... Immediately after the episode where it was introduced, the loyal SW fandom declared how "brutal" the Empire and its penal system were (replete with all you can eat food that tastes good, lmao. More "cockiness?" To what end?). I know from personal experience, though thankfully not as an inmate, that US prisons are infinitately more "brutal" than that place, never mind the brutality of less humane countries right here on Earth. Empires that dominate 90% of any given known territory aren't generally known for going light when it comes to penal institutions, no matter how incompetent or "cocky" they might be politically. In a world/galaxy where droids are as ubiquitous as TV monitors are in ours, you'd need to make a conscious decision to eliminate them for an easily telegraphed escape plan that surely one of the tens of thousands of inmates would have figured out long before this And/or schlub accidentally got randomly picked up - real criminals are pretty imaginative, but I'm SW this drifter's the only one who knows how electricity and plumbing work... The only reason you'd eliminate any secondary security system was if you were a lazy writer who wanted to quickly telegraph the only escape route from the minute we arrived (honestly, all someone else need to do is steal a pair of insulated boots off a guard and they couldn't even shoot you lmao). Bottom line, "brutal" but "cocky" prisons don't jive. Neither does the one guy (And/or) in the galaxy who seems to truly understand how evil and threatening the Empire is for some reason risking everything just to see his mommy's funeral. He couldn't even "sacrifice" that much, much less "everything." Going there was the last thing he'd do, but this And/or did. Lastly, we're talking about the "And/or"show here and I'm not in the habit of arguing with myself, but there have been plenty of prison/escape stories with great writing in the past: The Great Escape, Papillon, Cool Hand Luke (all Steve McQueen movies, coincidentally), Escape from Alcatraz, Shawshank Redemption, etc., etc. Star Wars EP 4 paid homage to many great cinematic influences and had its own spin to exceed them in many ways. And/or paid homage to those other prison movies (each told in the save or less time) by showing how to literally and figuratively water down even that tried and true formula. I could go on about undercover espionage war stories too, but you should get the drift by now; in general I've seen better writing in video games. Aside from all of those details, I'm still trying to figure out what And/or's story is even about in this series, other than it being more content filler about a dead man walking whose name no one remembered from said spinoff movie because surely he has a backstory too that we can make a meaningless prequel about, as is Disney's only MO. Again, it just serves as an underwhelming set piece for the Star Wars stories that actually mattered but which are now ignored.

[@Pepesilvia267]

When I saw the trailer for “cowboys and Aliens” I literally laughed out loud in the theater when the title was shown. “What should we call it? It has cowboys and aliens in it?”

[@danjonmills]

It was a play on cowboys and Indians - a beloved childhood game and term - so that one was actually a good title. This one is not.

[@NucleaRaptor]

That was a fun little movie, too.

[@chasehedges6775]

The Mandalorian ended after S1 and S2.

[@LN-Lifer]

I didn't really even care for season 2... Actually I think it was already falling off before the end of the season one

[@russ254]

it ended at Jaba’s barge

[@chasehedges6775]

@devodevo-ti8pg YES IT DID

[@finkamain1621]

@@chasehedges6775 Credits will do fine

[@chasehedges6775]

@@finkamain1621 These are not the droids you're looking for

[@joshimura1995]

9:20, that happened on Star Wars too. To be more specific, it happened on "Empire Strikes Back" and especially on "Return of the Jedi" with Lucas letting Kershner and Marquand shooting the principal Photography, while he was doing the VFX scenes and later forming the movie with his editors in post production and doing the pick ups+ADR. It worked beautifully on "ESB" with Irvin Kershner - who brought his own flavour to it as well, while Richard Marquand was completely overwhelmed on "Jedi". Lucas had to go down there watching the shooting, with cast members Fisher and Hamill coming to him for instructions, because they didnt know what Marquand wanted from them in certain scenes. Sources are J.W Rinzlers Making of Books for ESB and Jedi.

[@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2]

I love the "going to save Star Wars" joke/trope/running gag

[@Spinal_Pap]

It's stunning and brave, isn't it?

[@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2]

@@Spinal_Pap And diverse 🤣🤣🤣

[@Spinal_Pap]

@@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2 diverse like Rian Johnson

[@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2]

@@Spinal_Pap Not brain dead ... diverse 🤣 🤣🤣😜

[@stonecoldprose]

The Mandalorian was bait and switch. The idea was we were getting an unexplored area of the SW universe, but one also free of the KK-verse. Instead, it was used as wallpaper to cover the endless plot holes and logicial deficiencies of the sequel series. Then they added insult to injury by making The Mandalorian irrelevant on a show called...The Mandalorian.

[@chasehedges6775]

Utterly insane.

[@NomadMonkey396]

It started off as that. Then after the first season was a big success that's when the suits came in, and now instead of being a standalone story now it has a bunch of pointless cameos in season 2. Now they don't know what to do ever since they fired Gina and replacing her with some boring replacement. Shame the first season had flaws but it was solid enough.

[@snakedogman]

and then trying to tie it all in with the original story again anyway.

[@arbhall7572]

I really liked the first 2 seasons of Mando. It earned my respect and i actually had some hope. But then BoBF and season 3 happened. There is no hope left now, they have assured us that no joy will last, no hope will last. It will all be taken away in short order, so checking out is the only real option.

[@Klee99zeno]

Jon Faveau is a false prophet. He made us think he was going to correct the mistakes of the Disney sequels. But he did not. He gave us hope, then took it away.

[@matthewmagda4971]

You were supposed to bring balance to The Force, not leave it in darkness!

[@krzosu]

I like Favreau and he is capable creator but he is playing for the doomed team - any success he would create would be wasted by other fools - in the current situation it would be best to let it all faill so utterly and completely that they would be forced to clean up the house and fire Iger, KK and any other woke fool employed at Disney - which means even if Favreau creation would be good we simply can't support it because people who wrecked it are still there and still doing the damage - and the Favreau knows this he had the taste of it when they wrecked Mandalorian S3 and when they've fired Gina Carano which wrecked S2.

[@nononono3421]

The reason they get unimpressive directors is because they know they’ll just be glad to have a job and will do whatever the top executives say. Everyone is just glad to have a job.

[@TheMetalAllfather]

You know the veil is beginning to lift when even Daisy Ridley herself says that she damn near ruined Star Wars and said that the sequels are the worst thing she's ever seen.

[@YouLousyKids]

If Favreau insisted on rehiring Gina Carano it might make the movie worth it and be a sign that Disney is doing SOMETHING to try to rectify things.

[@libertytree3209]

So maybe the reason they are hiring these inexperienced directors is because they want no interference. They want a Disney product, and they don't want anyone really strong-minded trying to put their vision in over the conglomerate. I keep thinking of what they did to the new Percy Jackson, and how they changed all his characters into the classic race swapped Disney trio (a white, an Asian, and a smart black girl) into people unrecognizable from the book and he -Rick Riordan - insisted it was HIS idea. It's like every person who gets involved with Disney submits themselves to brainwashing for modern audiences - putting their babies on the butcher block and chopping them up for Disney consumption.

[@turtleextraordinaire5435]

I remember Riordan had an interview where he was asked if he watched the original movie and he said no, because it would mess with his view of the characters, because they were different from the books. Yet here we are with more extreme changes. Quite a shift in opinion

[@aldunlop4622]

There's no maybe about it.

[@dragon_slayer2026]

My prediction: Unless we hear rumors of heavy studio interference, it will be the best Disney Star Wars movie aside from Rogue One, but it won't be enough to draw the fans back in. Boba Fett and Mando Season 3 killed the enthusiasm. Favreau does good work when given the room (Filoni proved that he's a good supporting creator, but not a good lead).

[@KneelB4Bacon]

Whenever you see a headline that says, "Will be the thing that saves Star Wars?" No. The answer is always "no."

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

Jon Favreau had a lucky strike with the first two seasons of the Mandalorian and that illusion was quickly wiped away with how badly he screwed up with Boba Fett and season 3 of Mando. I don’t know if it’s because of studio interference or if the guy just isn’t as good as people think he is but there is a staunch difference between what’s happening now in comparison to season 1 of Mando and he’s not doing well right now.

[@MichaSennin]

Its not only him, its Pascal and most of the side actors who basically gave up. He doesnt really show interest in actually playing Mando. he literally said he is fine with Bo taking over as the mandalorian. like what amount of horsesht can one actually say as a leading actor.

[@Drqins]

where did he say this

[@aldunlop4622]

I don't understand some people's fascination with him, he's in everything, but he doesn't rock my boat. Christ he was awful in WW84...

[@andreassinats6432]

As much hope as I want to have for Favreau, unless he were to be given complete creative control with no input from KK or any other Disney executives, anything he produces is likely to be more of the same.

[@earthlingcarl3179]

How much more can they possibly squeeze out of this story?

[@Mr_Smith618]

First, it was Filoni was saving Star Wars. Now it's Favreau

[@chasehedges6775]

It was never Filoni. Faverau was the one carrying the barrel

[@ch4z_bucks]

Filoni has shown he can deliver what the fans want, his animated shows have done well and his live action stuff has been better than anything Disney made without him. Part of me believes that the shortcomings of his live action shows have been the result of poor writers and decisions made by those above him.

[@bjrnhalfhand2258]

Well first it was Favreau but BoBF and Mando season 3 happened. Then Foloni was saving Star Wars but Ahsoka happened. Now Favreau is getting a movie suddenly he's the saviour again.

[@bjrnhalfhand2258]

​​@@ch4z_bucksnah the Ahsoka show was all Dave. On the animated shows he had a lot of help from others. Loads of other writers. Dave barely wrote anything.

[@stormcutter59]

I really think people just need to accept things for the way they are. Clearly......none of these Hollywood "talents" are being held accountable for their failures at even the most arbitrary tasks. Hollywood is no longer a place where the best people are successful at their craft, but only those who know the right people and have the right connections to survive. Everyone knows each other in this industry, and they all hold each other up, swapping to and from projects depending on what they feel like doing. Today its just a club, not a job

[@FearlessFreap]

My understanding is that Favreau is doing this movie from his own company and may be insulated from the worst of KK's interference.

[@jeromesanta6307]

I came to realize that as a GenX I was priviledged to have live through a period were cinema was exciting to go to with filmmakers pushing the envelope in creativity and freed from today's committee check boxes. Kathleen Kennedy was there during that time and i am quite intrigued what happened to her life for her to basically dismantling the movies franchises from the 70's and 80's when she became the boss. Very intrigued indeed. But it's today's kids and teen who have to deal first time with sub-par products. It's a lost generation for creativity's sake.

[@craigbrison4241]

The 70s and 80s were a magical time for movies. Sustained greatness.

[@CloudStrife-zk6uv]

Fellow GenXer, we were blessed with great cinema and left alone....such bliss!

[@aldunlop4622]

Same here man, we were lucky to grow up in our time where all the modern franchises started, where creative directors were given license to bring their visions to life. Many of them wouldn't even be made today, because they're too risky. Oh well, at least we have the 80s and 90s...

[@exitwound3931]

Drinker pretty much nailed the Mike Zeroh scoops.

[@syndrax8554]

Mike is one of the few losers that spouts bullshit on YT. lol

[@George-de6hd]

I’d love to see a list of every Disney Star Wars movie that was announced and was never made from 2013 til now it’s got to be at least 15 or more movies and a list of every director that’s been attached to a Star Wars movie that was never made

[@Jarbels]

Really good video, alot of the points made were textbook & beautifully so. Great job man

[@thelastmotel]

Am I the only person that remembers that Phoebe Waller-Bridge was also a producer and writer on Dial of Destiny, but that she knew way before release how it was going to go, so had them remove her accreditation? You can still find info on it from around 2 or 3 years ago, but everything about it beyond about 2021 has been zapped.

[@lexmyster2580]

Bets on how many times the flute noise is played.

[@VirtualHolocaust]

Chef was way better than i expected.

[@donniethedealer2623]

The biggest problem is the Star Wars extended universe has so much good stories to pull from, but because they aren’t gay and lame enough, Disney don’t use them

[@Kiárán92]

Can I ask, as I’m genuinely interested and curious: See if you have a bad script, and you hire two directors. One very good, and the other very bad. Can the the good director really save it or make it salvageable? I ask, because don’t directors have to follow everything on page? If that makes sense?

[@BurtGjr]

The Mandalorian & Grogu feels like a pretty obvious titular reference to Lone Wolf & Cub.

[@ChatBot1337]

There is nothing left to save. The original puppeteer of the corpse is simply puppeting a new puppeteer. Nothing changes.

[@aldunlop4622]

Yeah, it's fucking dead, the whole canon is fucked, it's done and done....

[@thewildcard600]

the full episode got somehow age restricted

[@classreductionist]

I'm sure Jon Faverau learned he was directing the Mando movie when he read the news during his breakfast.

[@cosmicbarrilet86]

Hey Drinker, could you please make a review of Society of the Snow?

[@Mouse_Metal]

It´s too late for Mando movie now because everyone knows it will be Bo-Karen movie with a 5 minutes cameo of Mando and Grogu. 4 minutes of it will be used for the trailer. Notice the placeholder title (yep, it IS a placeholder title. They don´t have the real title yet because they announced the movie to cover up the mess caused by the announcement of the Rey movie) is "The Mandalorian & Grogu", not "Din and Grogu". Pissney tries to pretend they care about the fans and want to give them what they want, but it´s too late now. People care about Mando and Grogu, but they hate the evil Mary Sue Bo-Karen, which is the reason why the viewership of S3 was so low. Everything wrong with it is directly caused by that villain who keeps failing upwards being hammered into Mando´s rightful place like a square peg into a round hole. There is no way forward from the mess Felony deliberately caused to the show. S3 has to be decanonized first and remade with Din as the new Mandalore and Bo-Karen as the villain she is, always was and always will be.

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

I'm still flabbergasted at stupid Din Grogu. They're saying Djarin is his first name? 😮😢

[@Mouse_Metal]

@@АлексейМомот-щ7о Apparently they do. Why not to add one more pointless retcon after three and half seasons of people using Din as his first name and never being corrected? Even the official databasis Moff Gideon quoted had his name listed as Din Djarin. Even if the reverse name order was some cultural anomaly the intergalactic databasis would list his name in normal order. It sounds like trolling from Felony: "Jon, I will rename your character now because I can! Unlimited powaaah!" I didn´t get that far though. I was out after that insufferable villain who keeps failing upwards took the darksaber illegitimately again, and went to write my own S3.

[@jeromeisaacs4428]

The same Jon Faveau who said putting Lizzo in Mando was his idea that Jon Faveau 😂😂😂

[@g.sergiusfidenas6650]

They mentioned Beverly Hills Cop and a random, forgotten fact appeared in my mind, John Ashton, who played Taggart, was only 35 or around that age when the movie was made, boy, he looked like 15 years older than that there, so either props to the make up team or John Ashton had a most unfortunate case of old man face.

[@SnakePit6517]

“Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact same fucking thing over and over again, expecting shit to change. That is crazy” - Vaas from Far Cry 3.

[@adimm78]

As long KK is still at Disney, and as long Disney owns Lucasfilm, SW will never be saved.

[@colinwest3301]

Oh, Joy! Without the Joy parts. The one that made me laugh most was season 2 of Ahsoka is happening, here's a 1 minute sketch we drew at lunch. She has no more IP's to ruin. Everything Lucasfilm had she's ruined. Unless you count the Ewoks movies. It doesn't matter, you can't get the shit back in the horse.

[@kellyfreas]

It's an obvious PR hack to prevent the Snow White-scenario. The fact that The Mandalorian is the only product which has wider popularity potential, which also has been flushed down into the toilet with Se3, is the proof of Lucasfilm (or Disney) is waiting hunkered down in the outskirts of Berlin while Kathleen Kennedy is angrily drawing arrows on maps in her bunker I don't think there's going to be any Mandalorian movie in the near future. And it's not a bad thing.

[@petermarking9388]

I love that Northern English B’stard was downing some liquor. The show is called Open Bar - drink up people! I don’t watch Critical Drinker’s reviews much any longer because he clearly isn’t making them with a buzz. It was a good schtick.

[@stupenzo]

me and northern english bastard get effed up every week on bluecollarloser and my shows. check em out if youre into more buzzworthy programming

[@lwivv9052]

As someone who enjoyed The Clone Wars and Rebels, I really thought Dave Filoni could pull it off. The guy is clearly CAPABLE of telling a good story. He's done it before. Twice. I don't know what the hell happened, but he's shown in the past he can do it. Can't believe how much he's crashed and burned with all his live action content.....

[@The_Burning_Sensation]

Eight or more years of entryism has left Disney packed with untalented, woke hacks, from top to bottom. It's basically a zombie. Even if you do get some talented person in a key spot who knows what the audience wants, they're gonna be swimming up stream and have their work sabotaged, from the first script to the final edit.

[@net-42]

Any chance that Ms. Marvel being a villain/bad hero is a big push to make a high-quality Rogue?

[@b.chaline4394]

2:00 A little bit like Lord Grantham learning the engagement of his own daughter and heir in the neswpaper in Downton Abbey season 2^^

[@imthedevilkys536]

It's dead, there's no saving anything. Old fans are done, and young fans don't exist.

[@aproudamerican2692]

*I'm excited.* I can't wait for Drinker, Nerdrotic, disparue and many others take on the Dumpster Fire that is Disney Star Wars

[@konkros7495]

I never liked Dave Filoni. I've always felt that Asoka was basically a fanfiction oc.

[@educatedlaziness3268]

I used to hope Dave Filoni could turn things around, but he somehow managed to make Thrawn, one of the most interesting, capable villians Star Wars has had, into a feeble, preening moron, and made an appearance of Darth Vader cringe worthy

[@raptorshinryu]

Boba Fett is supposed to be a man obsessed with the rituals of the hunt: get contracted, kill, get paid, next target. Jon Favreau was the one who wanted to turn him into a "Godfather esque crimelord" who for some reason gave a shit about a random town on a backwater planet.

[@thingamajig]

Mando S1 was basically Samurai Jack in space. But exactly. The writing was on the wall with the final directed by Waititi, complete tone change straight to Marvelization.

[@crash7098]

The best thing to do is to continue to NOT support Disney Star Wars. Don’t watch next Star Wars product, cancel Disney plus accounts, let Disney continue to LOSE money on the franchise, and encourage Disney to sell the Franchise to a smaller company looking to build, with actual heart, with the franchise.

[@JohnDoe-sr1dd]

The Disney/Marvel/Star Wars directors - cast, not hired.

[@jrobertlysaght]

I'm still not convinced 'the Mandalorian' in the title isn't referring to Din, it's going to be Bo Katan.

[@_Ciaran_Maher]

I didn't watch it but didn't they finish his arc in season 3 anyway?

[@jrobertlysaght]

@@_Ciaran_Maher In a way that didn't preclude him going back out there, but yes, where they left it would fit as an ending for him.

[@Fecker_Carlson]

Jon Favreau can't even save a sandwich

[@chasehedges6775]

😂😂😂

[@thehunzz]

How about The Mandalorian: Swingers?

[@lJ0blixen]

No way John can do this under Disney’s watch

[@matthewcollins4773]

I remember jangling keys Rockets shooting from the knees Shadow of a man No face through a helmet Pointless in his show The show goes nowhere Nowhere is there character Each season just gets shittier Grogu in our face I see a cashcow I never realized How little hope there is now Oh Mando Well, you came and you wasted potential Now nobody cares Oh Mando You wasted three seasons on Grogu Noone needs you today Oh Mando.

[@cvzanikos1]

The time to save Star Wars would’ve been with the beginning of Mandalorian. At that moment is when Star Wars was on life-support, and could’ve had a miracle.

[@bard8903]

I can't believe that when i first saw Mandalorian season 1 i was like "yooo Star Wars is back" now look what they did with it years later.

[@FelixDeluna]

I figured that the end of Mando season 2 would see Grogu go away for a season or more…then bring him back as a neophyte Jedi, to be put into direct conflict with the Mandalorian. That would have been a proper arc.

[@timwhite5562]

It's not really titled "The Mandalorian and Grogu," is it?

[@VersusArdua]

Is that the guy from The Sopranos?

[@inventgineer]

Man, hats off to Az; he's clearly been goin hard exercise and/or diet wise, and it shows 👌💯. Good on him 👍.

[@ryanbarker5217]

didn't favreau basically build di$ney? between his early live-action remakes and essentially starting the MCU's success, *then* re-invigorated SW at least for a minute, why would they *not* put him in charge of LFL... assuming he would even want it with all the other hats he wears outside of di$ney. if they gave him a pixar project, it would probably actually make tons of money. him and walt would probably be pretty tight.

[@andyl1118]

There aren't many people currently active in Hollywood that I have changed my opinion so hard about as Favreau and Filoni. I have no idea if they can not do better or do not care at all, but everything they have a part in is an absolute disappointment.

[@Sven-w6o]

A few days ago,surfing thru You Tube,and landet on a Reaction Channel.A Young Guy age 16 or 17 and He is a Fan of Star Wars,BUT for some reason He only know the Disney Star Wars Stuff. So Here is the Thing.he does a Reaction on the Video secuences from the Force Unleashed Video Game.I saw Hope,when He See the Lightsaber fight's.that was real Reaction in His Face!! 👀🤯He was Blowin away. Because before He knows about Vader's DARK Aprentece ,The Asohka Show was high Level Star Wars Action for him. He Made the First step in a greater World. He Said He has Idea that Star Wars can look Like this.... It was interesting to See that Hope is Not lost for this Generation🤜🤛

[@wambutu7679]

It's over. The only reason I'm even watching this is because you guys are funny. Trust me, it's not the topic.

[@Idealdeath8304]

So glad George was here! Have him back!

[@darthlaurel]

Nothing says quarterly earnings report quite like sudden announcements of future, potentially positive projects. If the investors are so naive that they don't see through this, then anyone with even a single share should divest.

[@gameragodzilla]

Respawn, so far, has been the only thing producing consistently good Star Wars right now. But in the meantime, I have a bunch of great Star Wars from the old EU. I was playing Jedi Outcast yesterday and it’s still amazing.

[@nnknkable]

There are three movies. These are not the movies you are looking for.

[@VolvoImpala]

There was so much potential for creativity after the original trilogy and some at least near-classic novels came out afterwards but I think the thing came toppling down with the prequels. A lot of people think Episode I was the worst because that's where most people realized the dream was over but I really do think Episode II was the worst.

[@jaredjohnson7960]

At the Mandalorian panel at Star Wars Celebration 2019 when The Mandalorian got unveiled in greater detail, Favreau made it a point to say that he wrote half the show and sold it to LF as a finished product and *not* a concept. That way he’d be true to his vision and retain creative control. What happened.

[@taudvore259]

You used the word yourself; sold. It doesn’t matter how it began, once it’s sold it belongs to the mouse and all his minions.

[@EvilDoresh]

This franchise is beyond hope. We have to give it the Emperor's Peace.