Mulan - The Movie Nobody Wants

[@theelephantintheroom69]

Old Mulan's message: You can be better than others, if you try hard and don't give up. New Mulan message: Women are powerful and men are holding them back.

[@antobutera]

Unless you're a woman with no special powers. Then your fate is to get married, have babies and stay silent, just like the video said, and just like what happened to the sister in the movie. Honestly, they tried for empowering and landed smack dab in anti-feminist. Cartoon Mulan was such a great role model and inspiration. It's sad how thoroughly they ruined her character in the live action.

[@melodyaustria5710]

I agree

[@Hiraghm]

uhm... the New Mulan message was the message of the old Mulan, too.

[@melodyaustria5710]

@@Hiraghm no

[@daizygonzalez4187]

Your just getting confused with mulan 2 and the new mulan movie T-T

[@potawatadingdong]

They seriously took out the parts where she has to work hard to improve herself? That's like the entire point of the story...

[@Canaris3]

Welcome to sjw writing 101. Lesson number one : self improvement and hard work is a sign of toxic masculinity, patriarchy, far right white supremacism and nazism. Enjoy your stay and please donate to my patreon.

[@edoboleyn]

Watching this movie as a little girl, that was what really resonated with me. The original doesn’t pretend that women can, as a rule, outdo men in things like brute strength or speed. (These were the old days, mind you, when we didn’t think a male could identify his way into female sports.) Instead, it shows Mulan training hard to keep up with her fellow soldiers. She truly shines, though, when she can put her brains and creativity to use. We watch as this clever but clumsy misfit finds an outlet for her creativity, from sneaking notes onto her wrist to saving her friends, her Emperor, and her kingdom. More than anything, Mulan is _resourceful_. It’s her brains that bring down the villain. Again and again, the point isn’t that Mulan can do everything the men can do and better. It’s that she has other talents and achieves her goals in different ways. That’s what Mulan meant to me. With hard work, intelligence, creativity, and the help of your friends, you can do incredible things. This has special meaning for girls, but her story has universal appeal. But that’s not so chic these days.

[@lelelew2735]

@@edoboleyn I'm just stuck on the transformation into a man I laughed out loud when I saw the remake version. They managed to take the feeling out of it and not put any effort into making her look more masculine in reality she would've been found out the moment she walked in.

[@edoboleyn]

@@lelelew2735 PREACH. I had to watch the 2020 version in batches. It was too much for me all at once. A few weeks ago, my brother and I rewatched the original, and the sequence you mention is among the most moving, beautifully executed scenes I’ve seen in any film. The music that builds in intensity, the colors, the art, Mulan and her family, the emotion of it all. That was Disney at its best, and as a little girl seeing it for the first time, I was _changed._ I don’t remember a single time the 2020 version made me feel anything. Do you?

[@lelelew2735]

@@edoboleyn no it made me more confused than anything... like why did they add a Phoenix did it help her in any way I don't remember ? Also what was the point of adding the witch who died the most basic way possible? lmao

[@The_Real_Frisbee]

The animated movie with a talking dragon and ghosts is more realistic than the live action remake.

[@kguerr197]

Neither of them are realistic straight up! This was just a different take on the original Mulan tale. Doesn't mean they were authentic.

[@michaelvalentinoyo1259]

@@kguerr197 atleast the original makes Mulan use her wits and tactics to win like in history and not i can slaughter an entire army because chi and shit

[@dyland1842]

@@kguerr197 seriously?!!! Ur actually defending it

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

a realish setting would be a family of at least 8

[@ownage11445]

The animated movie is fun and entertaining it also has a fantastic soundtrack. While the live action one just tries to bank on the fans while spewing SJW crap.

[@karli4694]

My daughter was super excited to see this movie, she ‘liked it’ promptly forgot about it and watched the original. Pretty impressive when an 8 year old can’t even get behind your movie

[@angstvision7108]

Maybe because she has her father in her life.

[@rubber89]

@@gaywizard2000 gay

[@VortechBand]

Children are more honest than disney execs and other woke crybabies

[@OG-ProfessorPongo]

Smart kid

[@HowToChangeName]

​@@gaywizard2000its sarcasm to Disney fatherless girl turned Mary Sue trope

[@kim8dk]

Original Themes: Honour, family, friendship, respect, struggle, perseverance. Remake Theme: I'm born special.

[@herheartbeats5727]

Yes, that's so much a problem with modern movies.

[@FrankCastle-tq9bz]

I only saw about 30 minutes of this shitfest and that's what I got from it too...

[@persona83]

@@FrankCastle-tq9bz You should not even watch it in the first place.

[@SugaryPhoenixxx]

This is precisely why I didn't enjoy Skyrim.

[@FrankCastle-tq9bz]

Wamauro Dentes [boka loka] At least I didn’t pay anything for it.

[@frankbelmont1565]

Remember the time when Luke Skywalker tried to face Vader unprepared and untrained and lost an arm and was scarred emotionally? Those were good times

[@Joawlisdoingfine]

And remember when he got electrocuted near death so he would not fall to the dark side and to convince his father to redeem himself?

[@Joawlisdoingfine]

@@edwardhewitt9229 That makes too much sense actually

[@frankbelmont1565]

@@edwardhewitt9229 the good part is actions have consequences (but they won't kill the protagonist) and is in direct contrast where Rey is perfect, nothing is earned and everything works out for her. The old movies had flaws but they didn't present the lead as god level at the very start of the film to fulfill an agenda. You could say Anakin was that but it was presented that way cause it was an integral part of his character. Anakin is more like Lucifer.

[@krishnarjunar2724]

@@edwardhewitt9229 he was scared emotionally realising the truth

[@krishnarjunar2724]

Remember when a scavenger girl fought a trained Jedi turned to the dark side knight for the first time and won. Mary sue

[@metallikris]

“Post-creativity era” - Drinker, you nailed the cinematic zeitgeist exactly.

[@kahn5234]

Lol that genre sounds depressing af

[@TheIDcard123]

@@kahn5234 yeah, depressingly accurate.

[@gabrielandrade9237]

--laughs in weaboo--

[@ashkebora7262]

@john egan Wrong. It's what happens _in any industry_ when the pathetic, soulless money bags execs get creative control over something so it can be a "safe bet". This happens in ALL industries, SJWs or not. Hollywood just so happens to have both execs with their uncreative hands in creating things _and_ an agenda to push. The progressive agenda has _always_ been there. It's just done so poorly these days thanks to execs in the writing room that it's painfully obvious the agenda is there. This movie has just about the same identical "agenda" as the original Mulan. Yet this movie is trash. Maybe you should take a moment to think about it and realize it's not the presence of the agenda that has ruined it, but the lack of creativity.

[@adrenjones9301]

@@kahn5234 Welcome to the Future.

[@evanater13]

"Just because people start out better than you, doesn't mean it has to end that way." Well fucking said. A better lesson is taught by a damn animated disney movie than an entire college level sociology course.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

Did you knew? LILO AND STITCH IS NEXT! This Franchise of Epic High-Quality-Levels of Quality was already Massively Mishandled before it ESCALATED: But now it did! This Franchise, close to my heart as f--k, is going DOWN sooooon!! !

[@GhostlyReeve]

I honestly hate when they take a “you can do it” story and turn it into a “born special” story that thinks it is empowering.

[@cyberswiper6317]

It’s like a person born to take a throne or position of power in politics and then compared to the person who has nothing in life but they try their hardest to get to the top and maybe eventually they do in the future in real life

[@HQuiD]

They did the same thing with live action Aladdin

[@bobcostas6272]

Its female privilege

[@karlotty]

If you ever watch Naruto, this is exactly what happened. And a character was killed because his ideology was right

[@mattn561]

@ naruto

[@HaTran-sp7pf]

Disney: EQUALITY FOR WOMEN!!! Also Disney: Women must be perfect and aren't allowed to make mistakes like men.

[@coryc8819]

B-but America is deeply sexist/racist

[@paisleepunk]

@@coryc8819 Against white men

[@VYDEOS2]

Bruh why do we care even. Like it's a movie. It's all about the story. Who cares what gender and if they're perfect or not. I'm tired of people complaining for or against it

[@confusedbadger6275]

1, it ruins a movie 2, why the fuck are you even watching a CD review ?

[@SamBrickell]

Apparently Disney can't imagine women working hard and improving themselves.

[@alphacause]

Theme of Mulan of the 1998: Skill is acquired through perseverance and struggle Theme of Mulan of 2020: Skill is something you have inherently. If that contrast doesn't tell you that we are on a downward trajectory as a society, I don't know what will.

[@arnoldbrolin2947]

Ai knobhead 🖕

[@RKNancy]

This mindset is the result of all those participating trophies. Cause you learn to win only when you understand to lose.

[@welovepopculture5821]

I agree 100%

[@aguyfromnothere]

The original Mulan was not a ninja. She was not extra capable. She was extra clever and worked extra hard.

[@diagonals792]

yeah exactly. the Chinese govt doesn't like rebelling against social norms or self-belief so they took that all out.

[@StaubZuStaub]

"Why?" "Don't know" is the cornerstone of blockbusters these days.

[@tlotpwist3417]

Animated Mulan: self-made woman Live action Mulan: empty-shell-made woman

[@TheSlammurai]

Disney-made woman

[@jdunnatl]

This is what happens when you grow up receiving participation awards.

[@willmungas8964]

barry herpes lmaooooo

[@frozenkilt]

@barry herpes Thank you for this.

[@dublinoseven3279]

Maybe it’s Maybelline?

[@canuck21]

The worst thing is that in Chinese stories, nobody is born knowing how to use chi. In every freaking Chinese stories, no exception, the characters have to train to attain a certain level of chi. The Disney version of chi is like the Disney version of the Force, which is women with chi/force can use it from the get go without any work or training. That's the 3rd wave feminist chi/force.

[@Mr-Wisdomthief]

in Chinese stories, characters had to train for so goddamned long and go thru so much hard work and sacrifice to attain their skills, wtf disney

[@NGRevenant]

it's not real chi it's feminism power

[@Driver-Nephi]

@@whitealliance9540 no

[@azureascendant994]

Even the Jade Emperor had to train and he's a fricken god.

[@vickerandflips8061]

Kung Fu Panda 3!

[@rienjen]

Unfortunately, as a woman, I see your points. These Mary Sue's are getting out of hand. I want a flawed female character who is allowed to fail sometimes. 90s heroines were the best. :(

[@elennapointer701]

Watch the first four seasons of Babylon 5 and enjoy the sight of Susan Ivanova progressing from faintly nerdy, by-the-book second-in-command to Death Incarnate and realize every step of the process was earned, worked for and hard-won. Then go back to garbage like Chibnall-era Who and lament that nobody knows how to write female characters anymore.

[@carljohan9265]

Go watch The Expanse. Fantastic sci-fi series that is probably the most scientifically accurate space story I've ever seen, and it's full of great characters with amazing arcs. The characters are all well written and their genders don't matter at all. Both the men and the women are treated with respect by the writer, and I don't think there was a single character who's inclusion in the story I didn't like. Case in point, a white, lesbian woman who is a priest and married to a black woman. She has a very important effect on the plot, and neither her gender or sexuality ever plays a part in that, and she is a VERY human character that feels real. It also manages to be a story with a plot that revolves around the political tensions between the different factions without beating the audience over the head with politics. What I mean by that is that you see every side of the conflict (with plenty of grey areas) and are then left to make up your own mind about who you think is right or wrong and why. I binged the entire third season in one go, something I rarely do.

[@elennapointer701]

@@carljohan9265 I'd never heard of this series but a quick look at Wikipedia saying it's won an Hugo and three Saturn Awards was enough to convince me to buy the box set, so thanks for the recommendation :D

[@carljohan9265]

@@elennapointer701 You're welcome :) Small tip, read up a little bit on how certain things work in space, because there are a lot of scenes that are correct when it comes to gravity, acceleration etc in space, and if you understand them a little you will like those scenes more imo. For example, ships travel from point to point by accelerating half the way, then flipping themselves around and decelerate the other half of the way. The reason they do this is because if you accelerate or decelerate to fast, you pull to many Gs and can harm or even kill the crew. Gravity inside the ships is generated by the accel and decel thrust, and so the ships floors are internally oriented accordingly. When the engines are of and the interior of the ships are effectively zero G, the crew use mag boots to stay on the floors. Also, when ships do combat maneuvers, everyone needs to be strapped in to their chairs because when the ship rolls and flips, the internal gravity orientation shifts accordingly. There is also a scene early on where two people are floating in zero G, so the guy attaches a wire to the girl and then uses her back as a springboard to launch himself back to the floor, where he engages his magboots and then pulls her back down to the floor using the wire so she can attach her magboots as well.

[@franohmsford7548]

90s? What 90s Heroines exactly? Other than Sarah Connor in T2 {Came out in 1991 and the character was created in 1985}, Sandra Bullock in Speed & Demolition Man and Neve Campbell in Scream I'm having trouble thinking of any!

[@deborahblackvideoediting8697]

I was actually kinda excited when I found out they were doing a live action version of Mulan, as she's one of my all-time favourite Disney heroines. Then I found out there'd be no music and no silly sidekicks. After thinking about that, I figured maybe they were going to do a more realistic version of Mulan, more along the lines of a gritty historical drama. And I found myself pretty pumped for that. Then I found out that Mulan has special powers she was born with? And there's a witch in the story? Ug. Having Mulan not be just a regular girl with incredible determination ruins the whole theme of the movie. Even in a movie like Matrix, where Neo is "the one", he doesn't just magically know how to do everything right. He starts off not knowing anything and fails multiple times. If our central character doesn't have any type of growth arc, and can do everything perfectly right from the start, what's the point of the movie?

[@obijuanquenobi1911]

There is a much better live action version of Mulan years ago. It was very dark and gritty.

[@deborahblackvideoediting8697]

Thanks Obi Juan, I'll have a look for it!

[@maddiesiegmund5623]

The Chinese film of Mulan follows the actual poem of Mulan. In the story Mulan was at war for 12 years and rose five ranks and became a general (or something). No one ever found out she was a woman until she reveled it at the end. Then she returned to her village and lived a quiet life as a woman again.

[@deborahblackvideoediting8697]

@@maddiesiegmund5623 - I'd love to watch that film. :)

[@funkpunk37]

Disney can make a movie about paint drying and will still get 1 million or more people (who are literally hypnotized into a false reality) to buy it instantly.

[@TheClevera]

They took Mushu, a character designed in the specific style of ancient Chinese dragons, out because "dragons are unrealistic." Replaced him with a shapeshifting witch and a Phoenix, a mythical creature which has roots in other cultures as well.

[@jadajefferson2492]

Makes total sense

[@hazardeur]

the new viewers won't give a shit. because they are mostly stupid and don't care.

[@Garrus1995]

Don’t forget that he was voiced by a Black dude (Eddie Murphy). Black folks aren’t particularly well-liked in China, just look at how they had to alter the Force Awakens poster for Chinese release.

[@ThaCouchpotato]

Mushu was male. Can't have a clever and funny male in a movie now. All wise, smart and strong characters has to be female. Or black. Preferably both. Bonus points if it's a muslim.

[@x43902467]

The Chicoms have a weird relationship with the supernatural. Probably because they spent decades stomping on their own culture and history because it got in the way of the glorious utopia.

[@jessicajones641]

My 6 year daughter was disappointed the moment Mulan went to take the sword and suddenly she was in the armor ready to go. My 6 year old turned to me and was like “wait...we don’t get to see her get ready??” That was one of her (and my favorite parts). Mulan sitting in the rain, struggling with what to do, then gaining the motivation to go, steal the armor, cut her hair, etc. The whole scene was emotional, impactful. It brought depth to her character. This live action movie is missing the soul of what made Mulan great. It was a waste of $30. Even my 6yr old was bored.

[@DerMelodist]

Your 6 year old understands how stories are supposed to be told.

[@kratos.8151]

Lol this should be submitted to the didn't happen awards. Like hell your 6 year old said that.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

@@kratos.8151 i mean i get what you are saying, but i dont see how (wait, we dont see her get ready?) its that far fetched.

[@wesleywarsmith1113]

30$?!?! Is that what movies cost now? I haven't been in a decade. Not since the Hobbit movies.

[@Wanda711]

@@wesleywarsmith1113 Yeah, and that's to watch it at home, on your TV, through streaming. Not in a big theatre with all the crowd atmosphere that can make a movie special.

[@malekiththeeternityking5433]

I'm tired of 90 pound women beating up proffessional soldiers. There I said it

[@wisenige]

I think we all are at this point.

[@futureflash6331]

At least black widow used gadgets and her ENTIRE body weight to knock them down and finish them with dirty tactics BUT these new movies where they beat them hand to hand, no tricks, and beats them with no sweat it's tiring and annoying

[@malekiththeeternityking5433]

@UCqJRGTxduNKXFg6efpKBdDA Or maybe make it realistic she gets away and the dad destroys him.

[@cmbaz1140]

Thats why i love gina carano...

[@InquisitorBot]

By the emperor such wisdom teach me your ways my lord

[@tailcatch5704]

I actually thought 2D Mulan was pretty smart: using weights to help scale the pole, maximizing damage through inducing an avalanche, the ending fight where she disarmed Shan Yu with a fan and blew him up with fireworks, etc... Sure it might have just been plot convenience to get the story going, but the movie chose to depict her as someone who thought of another way to win rather than just "believing in yourself and you can do it". She worked hard in whatever she did and if her training wasn't enough she had the brains to push through it. Really admire that girl.

[@Ranadinn]

Well 2D Mulan was based off of a real person. Where as Live action Mulan is Violent Lady Jesus.

[@spectroelectro3772]

@@Ranadinn I am pretty sure Mulan is a myth not a real life thing. But I am not the best in these things so.

[@Ranadinn]

@@spectroelectro3772 you appear to be correct. Most scholars view her as fiction. Back in the day when I read up on her, that fact might have been a bit buried with the disney hype. (When the good Mulan movie came out)

[@spectroelectro3772]

@@Ranadinn Ah I see

[@silu7969]

Agree！!!

[@adityadharmawan7193]

" we want to make it realistic so we remove mushu" Add chi and witch bullshit and papermache phoenix anyway

[@TheTrueLordOmega]

apparently chi BS fits well into chinese propaganda, i remember a video on fake martial arts talking about it.

[@VYDEOS2]

It would've been worse if they added mushu. Imagine a cgi dragon talking to you

[@Itried20takennames]

“Conscription, but her father was old...and wouldn’t last 5 minutes”. Except the new movie made clear that sub-par soldiers were only at risk of being sent home, as her father would if he showed up, so she doesn’t save her dad in any way -- invalidating the whole plot.

[@rebeccaconlon9743]

The cartoon also did that too, but it was also a matter of family honour too

[@Dudaxful]

Chinese culture is heavily based on honour. Bringing dishonour to your family is HEAVILY shunned.

[@murphyjack90]

The animated film did something similar. Mulan ends up washing out of training and Shang tells her to go home. It should be good right? Mulan has accomplished her objective: save her father, and she doesn't have to risk her own life to do it anymore, and because the army doesn't know shes a chick, her family's honour is secure. But then she looks at the tall mast with the arrow stuck on top of it, the challenge Shang set for the recruits. Nobody else had managed it but Mulan decides to try it one last time. By this point, its not about her father anymore. Not her family honour, not glory or any of that. She completed the challenge and made it through training to prove to herself that she wasn't a screw up or a liability to her family, that she could do something right for once.

[@kitschquixote]

@@Dudaxful I don't think it mattered for peasants.

[@silvergrove8517]

@@kitschquixote it did. Imagine being the only family in the village that has no tale of a son or father fighting for the Empire. That could be reason enough to be shunned and even deprived of certain things. "Why should we help that family of dishonorable cowards with their crops?" and such...

[@zur137]

My favorite part of the original Mulan was when she was sent home because she couldn’t keep up with the rest of the men. Instead of leaving she used the weights to climb the pole no one else could and get the arrow no one else could. THAT is an empowered woman and for me as a six year old girl, that was what made me feel like I could do anything through perseverance and determination. The new version tells girls they can accomplish anything if they have magic bullshit powers.

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

Exactly. Apparently Disney thinks people would rather watch a bland and flavorless "chosen one" character than watch a real person struggle and have to make herself be smarter and better than those around her. The weights scene in the original flat out MADE that movie for me. Catchy songs and slick animation aside, that was the scene that made me love that story. ...and now it's gone...

[@Volkbrecht]

I wonder if the wokists who write stories like that ever stop to wonder what they mean for girls who already know they are not blessed with whatever magic it takes to be awesome. I mean, this is basically empowerment for the empowered, fuck the weaklings and the idiots.

That's your internalised mysogny speaking. You've been brainwashed to hate yourself by the White CiS Hetero Normative Patriarchy.

[@lubossoltes321]

You see that's actually preferable for a lot of governments (not only China). Determined people are dangerous. People believing in fantasy magic to help them in their misery is exactly what they want ....

[@renonouvello4011]

It's called plot armor. Specially made of scenarium, it boost your luck & your resistance by 1'000%.

[@snowyrabbitofinle1764]

Disney: "The live action Mulan is more *realistic* than the animated one." Also Disney: *makes Mulan into a superhero, adds in a shapeshifting witch, has characters defy physics by running on walls, etc.*

[@marinavasquez8813]

@Vick Murray agree

[@verdanthyborian2322]

"If you have a little girl, have her watch Aliens." I like the way this guy thinks.

[@rebeccaconlon9743]

At least Alien first right?

[@LostOneOmega]

There are at least two female archetypes in Aliens. One is Ripley the other is Vasquez. Both strong but Ripley gains strength from maternal instinct and Vasquez from fraternal. Nobody would doubt Vasquez as being strong or competent but she fights for herself (or her unit) while Ripley fights for Newt.

[@amanibob1416]

Mosty, people watch Aliens first... Mostly.

[@SiegAgus]

@@amanibob1416 heh good reference

[@franohmsford7548]

@@rebeccaconlon9743 Aliens is the better movie and much more kid friendly to boot. Alien was a straight up horror movie whilst Aliens though it does have more than its fair share of Horror is much more action oriented. Ripley is also more proactive in Aliens and more obviously the Lead whereas in Alien she was one of an ensemble and not revealed as the Lead until half way through the movie. TBF either are probably way too much for 99% of children under 10 - They're not Jaws. Whereas the Live Action Mulan is heavily sanitised and aimed squarely at the 8-13 demographic that are unlikely to make it through ANY of the Alien movies. Of course the more obvious female empowerment model for CHILDREN is Princess Leia in A New Hope, Empire and Jedi! Yes Luke is the nominal Lead but Leia is written and portrayed fantastically in those three films!

[@hebruixe9125]

Just to mess with Disney we should accuse this movie of being racist for having no black people in it.

[@drawapretzel6003]

what? you didnt know? theres dozens of them in every scene, theyre just shot separately to the main characters so that the chinese release can cut them out.

[@violenceislife1987]

yes

[@the.joaquin.d3ad]

I'm surprised to see how SJW have actually been so quiet about it

[@hohenheim1403]

but what should disney do? chi brightens up your skin or something!

[@MrJeffcoley1]

The BBC would have cast a black trans actress as Mulan, with loads of other anachronistic "diverse" characters in Han China. Because justice.

[@briankaplan6248]

Disney has managed to do the impossible: Make a movie with Jet Li and Donnie Yen that I don't care about watching. Well done, Disney, you cultural cesspool.

[@ScorpionP2C]

Hah I was thinking the same thing!

[@juicebox7372]

I love Donnie Yen and they screwed him

[@LookHereMars]

Mate I know... Donnie is class but i was really looking forward to seeing Jet back on the big screen as a fan of his since my youth and especially after all his health complications. Instead i got a truck load of fresh shit dumped on my lawn.

[@NexusKin]

Jet Li was my idol back around the turn of the new millennium. I even bought the PS2 exclusive game "Jet Li: Rise To Honor" because I loved him so much!

[@nwoudochiobinna3673]

@@NexusKin Rise to honor was one of the most awesome games i have ever played

[@primaryschoolbooks284]

These reviews are more entertaining than the films.

[@ararepotato1420]

Disney: "We want the movie to be more realistic!" Also disney: "shapeshifting witch and chi powers go cha-ching!"

[@asmajalis]

Bryan Ott I know! Over 1 million Muslims were captured there and held against there will! And yet Disney decided to not only film in these “re-education camps” (really just concentration camps), but to also give a special thanks to the people that let them film there! Plus the girl that played Mulan came out and said she supported the Hong Kong police brutality, so idk what Disney was thinking!

[@zaleost]

It also fucks things up from a historical perspective as well, as what we see is more of a mishmash of elements from different periods in Ancient China rather than them sticking to one era specifically. This is also the case in the original animated film but its less of an issue since they were more open about the fact that its a fantasy movie rather than one that is trying to be historical.

[@finnheisenheim8274]

Makes the removal the mushu more painful

[@lema618]

I think what they mean by realistic is more like the original poem of mulan

[@Ozzie_Mandias]

They don't even know how Chi works. I have never heard of Chi allowing people to subliminally perform superhuman feats. And seriously? China being invaded by the Mongols? Weren't the Chinese THE Mongols? Did they decide to invade themselves.

[@mupoxa]

Well... this piece of cinematic vomit perfectly fits new criteria and should get an Oscar...

[@FutureAlien]

Not enough diversity - only Asians in it!

[@RealHufflepuff]

@@FutureAlien na as long as they aren't white it's diverse

[@TankHunter678]

@@FutureAlien It's got max diversity - no whites in it! Remember: Black Panther was touted as being diverse when it had only a few token white characters of which only 1 was considered a good guy. The exact opposite of typical movies they say are not diverse enough when it comes to skin color.

[@leafybean]

Well if your shitty movies can't play game, just change the rules of the game so you always win.

[@markuhler2664]

@@TankHunter678 that would be Tolkien characters. Bilbo Baggins & Gollum/Smeagol.

[@johndoe5432]

Disney is just the EA of film at this point.

[@medjrikais2419]

16x time feminist

[@Blueflag04]

And making remakes nobody cares for

[@LookHereMars]

Disney have lost most if not all of the talent that once made them a Global household name. They are now an extremely shallow near talentless politically driven mess of a company. The parallels between them and E.A are remarkably similar.

[@rogerborg]

Big oofs. Harsh, but accurate.

[@lessismore8533]

@@LookHereMars yah! I miss 90s Diseny. They must've list many great writers years ago and hired those who care about quantity over quality

[@CEAsfg]

Mulan 1990s: 😂😮😢😅😊🤪🥰🥺😡😨😱🤯🥹 Mulan 2020: 😐 👁👄👁

[@Minotaur-ey2lg]

Spoiler alert: The mongol horde was far more “diverse” than the chinese kingdoms, because of the people they conquered along the way.

[@anthonykeller1957]

Ahh good old Genghis

[@TESkyrimizer]

Maybe the real Mongol conquests were the friends we made along the way

[@greenknightofwar7024]

Considering the size of the empire and the fact that the Mongols we’re only specialists in hunting, horses, and warfare they needed the people of the land they conquered to fill the missing roles in there society.

[@Cancoillotteman]

@D Lu thanks for the precision, saved me the effort ^^ At least in the cartoon they said "Huns" which is closer since the Huns may very well descend of the same ancestry as the Rourans

[@Sic-Semper-Tyranniss]

Minotaur1776 And from what we can gather, if you could ride and fight well in the mongol horde in Genghis’s time, you were respected throughout their society. A true warriors social meritocracy, regardless of race or creed or culture. More diverse and tolerant (unless you crossed them, then you got murdered) than the Chinese kingdoms who worshipped their emperors basically as gods and a nobility that sneered at the sub human peasantry. Still, an extremely brutal Darwinian society though.

[@Maladjester]

Rey: Born more powerful than everyone else, i.e. just an accident, nothing to do with her. No flaws to be expunged, no arc to traverse, no setbacks to overcome, just perfect good all the time. Captain Marvel: Made more powerful than everyone else by accident. No arc, and the idea that anything could be a setback for the strongest being in the universe is laughable. Closest thing to a flaw is ignoring all the perfectly valid advice about controlling herself and her feelings, but even that is presented as a virtue. Mulan: Born more powerf.......wait a minute. Am I sensing a trend?

[@Xehanort10]

@Cherry Mae Raviz "And also if anyone doesn't like you they're just sexists who only hate you because you're a woman." Anyone who points out that a Mary Sue character has a horrible personality, a bad attitude, shows no emotion or feeling whatsoever, doesn't have any personality or character traits and never struggles at all gets accused of being intimidated or feeling threatened by strong women. Even though actual strong women are different from what Disney thinks strong women are.

[@phousefilms]

Rey: I mean, isn't that Anakin as well? It's only in "Rise of Skywalker"that they tied her into the Emperor so people would stop crying about how Rey got her powers from the Force itself like...you know, the majority of Jedi(Yoda didn't have a long bloodline of Yoda's before, nor did Obi Wan, Qui Gon or anyone until the Skywalkers.) Could have had a good arc by learning that she couldn't save everyone in ROS, but made it so she COULD save Ben all along, so the whole ending of TLJ where he turned Supreme Leader was completely pointless. Captain Marvel: Made more powerful by accident, brainwashed into killing innocent refugees trying to find their families. Arc is learning what she's done and trying to make up for it, even though it means abandoning the family that she found once more. Constantly put down by the matriarchal super computer and her commanding officer/fake saviour so they can control her and made to believe her powers were something they gave her, not something she gained on her own.

[@Xehanort10]

@@phousefilms Yoda, Obi-Wan, Qui Gon and all those other Jedi learned how to use The Force and trained over many years. Rey instantly masters it a few days after only just learning what it was even though she didn't previously believe it even existed. And is portrayed as the most powerful Force user ever not because she actually trained and became strong and powerful in it but because she's a Mary Sue. Anakin had flaws like anger issues, he was a hothead who'd rush into things without thinking them through, he was arrogant and overconfident and believed he'd be the most powerful Jedi ever. He was also gullible because he fell for Palpatine's lies that there was a way to save Padme and Anakin's own issues with the Jedi not granting him the rank of Master and having to hide his marriage to Padme and her pregnancy from them and also Palpatine's weak innocent victim act during his fight with Mace Windu allowed Palpatine to convince Anakin that the Jedi were trying to take over the Republic.

[@a.t.o.mworkshop6409]

@@phousefilms read what a Mary-Sue is. Juste go and read it. Then watch the movies you are talking about and just do the math. Simple example : Anakin spend his time taking bad decisions. A Mary Sue never does. She knows the way, like healing a snake with power she never knew she had.

[@dontgiveinfo]

@@phousefilms ahh at least Anakin knew he was a bad guy, and a murder making many mistakes and in the end making it up to his son Luke. Rey? where do i start

[@RecoveringLoLAddict]

tfw a 22 year old movie for "children" has a better message, plot and characters than a modern remake with a way bigger budget.

[@kboid5919]

also the villain was much more scarier before.

[@rodrigobogado8756]

@@kboid5919 it should be a crime making a hun/mongol leader being boring and weak, those guys would had made Hitler shit his pants

[@sephandremanticore5438]

A villain being legit scary would diminish the message of whamen power. They don't need a man. Thery're better than men. They fear no man.

[@luckyspurs]

Well duh, original animated movie better than action remark shocker. Lets be honest here, Disney was peak animation in the 90s, Disney certainly is not peak live action in 2020.

[@TheOnlyKingBee]

Why didn't they go with the original script??

[@derkaiser420]

The interesting thing about the original story was Mulan had a younger brother, but he was too young to fight. She fought in the Army for 10 years and they never found out her true gender. Her comrades only found out when they went to visit her and thought her brother was her. When they saw her for the first time, she was married and had children. They still respected her and her commanding officer let her keep her armor and medals. I think they all got drunk and had a party. The end. I would watch a movie about that.

[@jackhyatt7739]

Disney: we have to remove Mushu because we want the movie to be realistic Also Disney: Let’s throw in a shape shifting bird lady 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@ashkebora7262]

I think they did it for the same reason they do a lot of stupid shit: China didn't like it. Dragons are a caricature of Chinese culture, not anything terribly significant in it. So in a pathetic and unsurprising attempt to appease Chinese audiences who are never going to like Disney drivel, they swapped him out for a phoenix.

[@frankmerker630]

Also Eddie Murphy is the Aunt Jemima of the movie industry. We can’t have that anymore

[@JonyTony2018]

Dude, seriously, if this were a live-action adaptation of the animated picture, I’d pay to see it. Mulan was a masterpiece, with wonderful story and songs. This shit however? Fuck it.

[@jackhyatt7739]

Just so y’all know, it doesn’t even matter if Mushu was agressive to Chinese Audiences because the CCP banned it from being shown. So all the pandering they did for them was pointless.

[@JorgeGomez-kt3oq]

@no, as a matter of fact credit score +40

[@ElVlogdeBob]

Mulan 1998: A normal girl that improves Mulan 2020: an untouchable Super Saiyayin Ugh

[@Gaia_Seraphina]

@snowy the snowman Actually the promotion of Mulan is banned as it seems, not the movie itself. Don't spread half-truths/half-lies!

[@YoungSkullKid1990]

I like the correlation, but The thing about super saiyans is that most of them (save Broly, Goten, Kid Trunks, and Caulifla) had to actually work hard and get a severe ass beating before even getting to that level. And even the naturally gifted ones that got super saiyan early got a severe beating soon afterwards.

[@NallaDlanorGomez]

nah more likely saitama

[@bryanmerel]

@@NallaDlanorGomez atleast Saitama do realize the downside of his Overpoweredness, we even see it. This Marry Sue thinks its all shit and Giggles "Hurdur i'm so Independent, take that Society!" PS: He did 100 Push-ups, 100 Sit-ups, 100 Squats, and 10 kilometer run, EVERY SINGLE DAY! FOR 3 YEARS! To get that power.

[@bryanmerel]

@@NallaDlanorGomez also, no Air-conditioning, only Banana in the morning...

[@markarato8034]

Its so sad, the original Mulan was one of the best of Disney.

[@rubenmorales4863]

I agree, had one of my favorite quotes, "No matter how fierce the winds may howl, the mountains cannot bow to it."

[@rhyscallinan4402]

Same with Aladdin band Lion King. Moral of the story; don't make remakes. They'll never be great, just terrible. Same with Ghostbusters.

[@damienthorn1340]

I thought it was a terrible misrepresentation of the Mongols tbh. Racist even. Ignorant and lazy at the very least.

[@johnkarakash]

Part of the genius of the animated Mulan was her motivations. Her NUMBER ONE goal was to help her family. She replaced her father out of love of family. She wasn't UNHAPPY about getting married because a good marriage would be good for family. Her personal goals were entirely secondary. It was only later that she expanded 'family' to include her comrades and the entire country.

[@iankent1665]

“Re-education camps” where people learn to concentrate

[@nihilism6226]

Kdrop _ It's not a real Camp without flatulence chambers.

[@olivemarinade]

'Re-education' is just a tone down version of brainwashing. I watch a documentary about the camps. The Uyghur neighbourhood became eeriely quiet and silent with many houses left empty. The authority of the camp claim that the 'occupants' (read: inmates) are happy and there are bunch of joyful activities can be done in there. But their faces say otherwise, with empty gaze. It reminds of Nazi's claim about their concentration camps. Even when some of them are released, there are police or spy watching the closely.

[@arnold3768]

@Char Aznable tbf, China during Mao Zedong's reign arguably commited even worse atrocities than those two...

[@arnold3768]

@Char Aznable yeah

[@arnold3768]

@Char Aznable omegalol.

[@TheBrendon67]

My eldest girl watched the cartoon of this. She saw how hard Mulan had to work to become better at handling a sword and fighting. My daughter struggled with just falling apart whenever she came up against any sort of obstacle at the time. This was a good chance to just chill and watch a cartoon while also trying to help her understand that adversity, hard work, and failure can help you develop strength and skill. I have shown her movies with “Mary Sue” protagonists. It’s my wife that normally calls out this as bull shit while we watch... Funny how a cartoon holds more reality compared to the live action.

[@Wp-jv5ed]

Yeah well the old saying goes "nothing beats the original and that's defo the case most things these days

[@spectroelectro3772]

@@Wp-jv5ed Why is it everyone forgets about the " at the end of what they wanted to say that was between the ""? It ticks me off. Sorry for bothering you though

[@ArrowValley]

Disney, go home. You’re so drunk you make the Critical Drinker look sober.

[@destructomaniac2540]

They ain't drunk. They spend half the budget on cocaine

[@aliminator1310]

I know, right!?!? He doesn't even MENTION what he had to drink that morning!

[@bemotivated8443]

What if they are purposely making bad movies to get critical drinker to make more videos

[@router9717]

This unironically true. Drinker seemed perfectly reasonable in this one despite the drunk facade

[@tomanderson558]

Rimmer not eating his gazpacho soup is the last thing I expected to be referenced in someone's username but I'm not complaining. As long as he realises it's supposed to be served cold there's no problem

[@Gudda16]

Animated Mulan was my hero as a little girl, she always will be. She was a relatable and charismatic character. Live action is nothing what made her amazing, just a hollow shell dressed up as a beloved character.

[@ereshmi6908]

“It’s a re-skinned captain marvel.” You’re damn right it is

[@dublinoseven3279]

“Crouching Tiger, Hidden Agenda”

[@JoakimOtamaa]

Not so hidden...

[@gregsmith7949]

Bwahaha! Brilliant!👍

[@madkilla707]

*Crouching Woke, Hidden Agenda*

[@nont18411]

*Hidden Auschwitz

[@AroundElvesWatchUrselves96]

@@nont18411 based

[@kglistless]

Original Mulan: a character who has to risk her life and build her strength to achieve her goal. 2020 Mulan: the chosen one who doesn't have to do much by virtue of fate.

[@DoffyDogg]

Hollywood life in a nutshell

[@Irishman9988]

Sounds kinda like Star Wars Episode IV and Episode VII....

[@Foxtrotwolf]

WAI WAI WAIT.... SO.. REY WAS ASIAN ALL THE TIME?? :O

[@jblps]

Mulan 1998: Perseverance is the key to success Mulan 2020: Everyone else is the problem

[@herheartbeats5727]

@@Foxtrotwolf It seems to ^^

[@eyeofeternity2469]

It’s hilarious how they think strong female characters should have LITERALLY NO WEAKNESSES OR HUMAN QUALITIES.

[@kevviking6612]

The actress playing Mulan has the same bland, emotionless, dull, expressionless look on her face in every scene. She even has the same look with a tear running down her cheek. Reminds me of the Brie Larson in Cap. Marvel.

[@BingBong67489]

I'm pretty sure it's intentional. Rey and Captain Marvel are just as bland, no doubt because Disney is trying to be as "inoffensive" with their OP heroines as possible.

[@kevviking6612]

@@BingBong67489 Yeah, I guess that's what Disney considers as "empowering."

[@polyhymnia701]

@@BingBong67489 That's exactly it. They think that women who show normal emotions are weak. They're selling girls a very unhealthy ideal.

[@DeadKraken]

@@kevviking6612 Nah, it's just her. She's a terrible actress. I have chinese and east asian friends whom already knew her, and they all told me the movie was gonna be shit the moment Disney chose her, because she's fucken BAD..... "as expressive as a plastic cup" bad. The only real possibility of it being a choice is with Cptn Marvel, because Larson is not a terrible actress and the character kind of required it the way they wrote her. With Rey it was just Daisy being a lil wooden in some scenes, she got much better after TFA, so you know it wasn't a direct request from the directors.

[@Evil.Totoro]

Gotta imagine they cast her for name recognition in China, and not for her acting chops. I found it hilarious that the young Mulan in the film spoke with a perfect American accent while grown up Mulan spoke with.. whatever accent that was.

[@fullmetaltheorist]

*We live in a post creativity era* Truer words have never been spoken

[@Dingo-wk5ed]

Charlie Kaufman is sitting in the corner pissed

[@Ramsey276one]

FULLY AGREE

[@amanibob1416]

1: "How does it feel to live long enough to watch all your favorite franchises go down in flames." 2: "Feels great!" 3: "😖..."

[@fullmetaltheorist]

@@amanibob1416 Great indeed

[@aguyfromnothere]

I think Tenet was creative as could be.

[@FrayAdjacentTX]

"message over story" - the problem with modern entertainment. Ugh.

[@hades4438]

And the message is wrong..

[@dorionite1378]

Having a message is good, any proper art is meant to convey a message through meaning. The problem is that this movie doesn't have a good or even relevant message at all. You are right about the story being sidelined though, that's the even bigger crime.

[@N7gamer1337]

Not so much of a message but shoving political bullshit down our throats

[@gypsywoman9140]

Doesn't it stop being "entertainment" when its no longer entertaining?

[@elpretender1357]

I think the problem isn't that, but the impatience and imposition of the writers. If I can know the moral of the story from chapter one, you've already dissapointed me. And if you repeat it ad infinitum to "emphasize" it, even worst.

[@VolvoImpala]

The original Mulan was smart, brave, and resourceful. And that played out many times across the pretty short film. There was no fat or filler sequences. It was tightly scripted and well voice acted. So it is my second favorite Disney animated film of all time.

[@prashanthb4565]

What's the first?

[@VolvoImpala]

@@prashanthb4565 Beauty and the Beast. I actually re-watched it not too long ago and holy sh*t the lyrics in those songs are whipsmart. You have to watch the movie multiple times to catch it all! And I love any movie that praises books the way it does but this particular movie was the best at it. I think it was their only animated feature to be nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars- BACK WHEN THEY MEANT SOMETHING.

[@prashanthb4565]

@@VolvoImpala Nice ♥️

[@paranoyd70]

Oh look, another movie about a Mary Sue that is perfect in everything and struggles in nothing. Its not like I haven't seen this before.

[@strikeforce1500]

Empowering women movies went from - Character, who happens to be a woman, has to face struggles and grow up to overcome and success. To - Woman are perfect, and no matter how much the other characters put actual effort in grow up or train to do something in specific, the female protagonist can go and do it x100 better without previous knowledge

[@GoBuckeyes554]

The Mulan trailer went just like the ROS ones it showed Mulan pulling off gravity defying stunts just like Rey and that's when I knew exactly what kind of movie it was going to be.

[@TheKgr1967]

Some bloody space film um, I can't remember the damn name....fcuk :(

[@fattiger6957]

Fits perfectly with the participation award era. You don't have to work and train to be achieve your dreams. Everything will just be handed to you because you are just so naturally special. You are right always and anyone who criticizes you is an evil -ist. No wonder young people are completely unequipped to deal with adversity.

[@OK-yy6qz]

It's not Like The Original Mulan Was A Much Better Character or Anything Anyways

[@benjamindover2601]

She's just like a man! except without the charecter, hard-work, suffering and duty of her male counterparts, exceptional writing. Here take your CCP money.

[@rowo175]

why you bring CCP here.

[@RedeemingAngelBarb]

@@rowo175 because it was revealed that Disney filmed in Xinjiang, where the CCP has multiple concentration camps containing Uyghur Muslims.

[@MoonJung82]

CHYNA knows that woke doesn't work, but they are quite happy to fund our self-destruction.

[@magnuscritikaleak5045]

@@RedeemingAngelBarb that was a lie, because it was told from Steve Bannon's lying Goldman Sachs neckhole.

[@RedeemingAngelBarb]

@@magnuscritikaleak5045 no it wasn't. You can see the camp in the movies background and they give thanks to the people running it in the credits.

[@thepsychicspoon5984]

"WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO YOUR CHARACTERS?" We all know the answer to that question.

[@sammonereau2645]

What is the answer to that question ? Just asking out of curiosity, i cant keep track of everything ! X)

[@moistmeathateroffurries8621]

*M O N E Y*

[@lmh1989]

it's money money money

[@Black8White]

@@lmh1989 it's not money, if it was they would make a good product that the masses would enjoy rather than target a small demographic.

[@zespechulvan88]

Wokeness

[@HAL-bo5lr]

Mulan is my absolute favorite Disney movie. The animated one of course.

[@Spacegoat92]

The Critical Drinker saves me money yet again...

[@Person1................68]

The drinker is a constant true north in this shit storm of tripe these days.

[@boozeandbullets6997]

And saved me what few remaining brain cells I still have

[@BVDsGoneFishing]

You pay for movies?

If you needed his review to tell you how bad this movie was gonna be, you're not doing it right.

[@Randystudio217]

If you actually WANTED to see this, there is no saving you lmao

[@bruhdon4748]

Disney has honestly become one of the worst movie makers ever, everything has become so politically driven in their movies that it makes me feel sick watching them, they’ve ruined Star Wars & over saturated the super hero market to the point I never want to see a super hero movie again in my life, Pixar is just Idk what anymore? Just pumping out prequels and sequels of older movies.

[@yeetboy9103]

To be fair. I hold Pixar as being completely different than Disney. They can still make a good fucking movie and are still making new ORIGINAL movies, albeit yes they do many sequels.

[@peteratkin3788]

The answer is simple really, don't watch.

[@AvNotasian]

Pixar is hanging in there they managed to keep toy story at passable levels despite a 4th sequel. The Pixar format is just better, think of Wallee barely any talking at all and yet they managed to convey a full story.

[@Knightmessenger]

@@abidakram1159 watch Brave Was A Disappointment. It was ok but could have been much better had the studio not taken the story over from the original female director. Unfortunately Disney seems to think the patriarchy they promoted at their company was representative of society and they had to overcompensate with Rey and now this. Neither approach is good for diversity, feminism, empowerment or any of that stuff. Disney would be better off looking at Studio Ghibli for how you do female characters right. Or Sailor Moon or buffy for lgbt stuff

[@tamiK6]

I wonder how the world will receive their next original movie (Disney's not Pixar's). I would think, people will go see it anyway. I mean at this point, even Illumination is theoretically better then Disney, because at least, with their soulless movies and money driven motives, they manage to make original movies, with their own ideas and universes. I hoped I would never see this day come, but here we are.

[@donwhiteley3293]

"Post-creativity era". Couldn't have said it better.

[@FromtheHerts81]

The original Mulan had genuinely funny and likeable characters. Mulan herself worked because she not only fought, but was good hearted and fallible and had understandable doubts. Mushu was a proper laugh, Grandma was too, and even the Ancestors were likeable. I haven’t seen this version yet but I doubt it will be anything like as special.

[@ryanvandoren1519]

"A post creativity era..." damn that hits deep.

[@MelindaColden]

the saddest thing is: there is SO MUCH creativity in the world and always will be but its just the wrong people in power and they wont let any of the creatives in

[@frankmerker630]

Um it’s because they didn’t get accepted to the proper Theatre programs at Julliard or wherever. Where you have to have a cloistered echo-chamber cultivated worldview and a non-white heritage in order to have a chance of acceptance

[@haillobster7154]

The Critical Drinker:- The reviewer everyone wants.

[@marcmerchant135]

Not the one we deserve, though.

[@crazyjoe_gaming7465]

The review we need

[@justsomeguywithaforeheadmu6209]

The review that reviewers need to be reviewed by reviewing themselves

[@bemotivated8443]

These live action movies are great without them we wouldn’t get more critical drinker videos

[@ronniea.4830]

Amen

[@ivofixzone6410]

"You Witch..." "No, I'M A WARRIOR" A woke quote from a woke Disney movie Mulan.

[@spacecowboy1438]

"It's Ma'am!"

[@leenaleewitch3731]

Witch? But the original wasn't even a witch! The only magical element was Mushu

[@parthin]

Spoiler: the Mongols conquer China. I guess she wasn't all that.

[@damienthorn1340]

The Mongol empire was the largest territorial attainment in human history. Basically one of the least understood empires to ever grace this globe.

[@Anonymous72686]

@@damienthorn1340 yeah the only Empire than ever conquered China.

[@Mate397]

I love how this movie was claimed as "realistic" and yet we have a witch using magic and Chi macguffin...

[@256alexdt]

Yeah they use that dumb "Realistic" excuse to remove Mushu because china was saying it was an insult to history of Mushu.

[@Mate397]

@@256alexdt Really? But chi powered Mulan Sue isn't an insult? Sounds like bullshit excuse from China.

[@MrHawger]

YEAH, EXACTLY!

[@doryfishie2]

​@@256alexdt You're full of shit. History of Mushu? It's not a place or a historical figure. How does that Eddie Murphy cartoon dragon have anything to do with China? This movie is shit because Hollywood wants to peddle the same girlpower bullshit, not because China did whatever. I've watched that movie. Nothing in there would appeal to a mainland Chinese person, and probably not the CCP either. This movie is basically Captain Marvel without the snark, and Frozen without the ice and the princesses. Super powerful girl being told to suppress her power because patriarchy or honour or whatever. Trying to blame China for this movie being shit is like trying to say that Chinese food is shit because fake Chinese food served in America is shit. It's full of baizuo ("white left" aka leftist) influence, and anyone can tell you that Chinese audiences are very resistant to that. If Disney was trying to appeal to China, that shit wouldn't be in the movie. This was a mess of stereotypical Chinese action movie tropes on the surface, and the usual generic Hollywood girlpower bullshit on the inside. It's very clear that it's a superficial Western view on Chinese culture. They also seemed to think that stereotypical Japanese traits were interchangeable with Chinese ones. People in the movie would also apply heavy foundation like they were geishas. I don't think it takes a ton of research for anyone to know that China isn't Japan, but that shit still ended up in the movie. They were clearly not trying to appeal to the Chinese market, from the obvious "feminist" narrative. And all the other bullshit. It seems obvious that this was tailored for the Western market. If they were, they really need to do better research because this movie was a shitshow.

[@RyuuRider]

@@doryfishie2 Certainly tailored for the Western market, but two things can be true at once. I make no assumption as to which one had the greater priority, but they certainly also had to cater to the CCP's demands since they wanted to film it in China.

[@cnoevl67]

Mary Sue translates in all propaganda messages - as boring as hell.

[@ConanCnutKicker]

If you want to watch a children's movie with a strong female, asian lead, then watch Spirited Away.

[@fumomofumosarum5893]

not Princess Mononoke..?

[@reisen9235]

@@fumomofumosarum5893 Why not both? I think alot of miyazaki films are pretty good examples of strong female leads to be fair

[@HarryH987]

Nausicaä anyone? Awesome movie.

[@jeremytitus9519]

Just watch the Ghibli canon. They're not all Asian protagonists, but they're almost all female. And I will take any one of them over anything Disney has produced since the turn of the century,

[@normadgarmez7026]

Or any of the Studio Ghibli films ( Kiki's Delivery Service, Castle in the Sky, Whisper of the Heart...)

[@blindoutlaw]

Original Mulan: work hard and don’t give up and you can achieve your goals = good story and Drinker drinks happily. New Mulan: You’re born special and will automatically win = bad story and Drinker becomes angrier drunk

[@liamn.watson4867]

Until i'm proven otherwise, politics ruin everything.

[@HunterMearo]

@Joe Blow in trumps voice: sleepy Joe only brought on Kamala because she uses a nice conditioner

[@johnsmith651]

Movies have always been political. The problem is these days it feels like movies are written by Twitter users

[@dianebrooks1859]

Politics ruined the only reality TV show I enjoy: Big Brother. This season is all about virtue signaling, micro racial aggressions, subconscious hidden biases, BLN, and "the cause" which is a joint effort of some players to disregard their own gameplay to help the first black person win. Nevermind that the show doesn't actually cast any good black players (the producers always push for the "angry black lady" stereotype)! I friggin hate it. Also, all the non whites are racist and need to be educated on how to handle black women apparently. Let's just not mention the one black lady's temper tantrum where she PUNCHED A FRICKIN WALL.... Yea, the show sucks

[@kingkilla777]

I agree my thing is why do they constantly have to push politics into everything when I play video games and watch TV amr movies its to get away from that stuff not to be constantly reminded of it. Its annoying cause it seems like I can't enjoy anything anynore without seeing something about politics

[@thejbo777]

Well everything is political so i guess everything is ruined

[@evanellis9178]

Disney: “We proudly stand against racial discrimination” Community: “Then why did you film near an Uyghur concentration camp?” Disney: Uhhhh........

[@DickButtox]

Money! *Mr crabs laugh*

[@TheFatMob]

It is funny to have all this outrage with Uyghur concentration camps coming from the country which has places like Guantanamo, though.

[@eldavid8774]

TheFatMob doesn't it make worse? The americans at disney are helping a regime that repeated the mistakes of their own government, they are correct in condemning them, americans have learned

[@automaticcaptions]

@@TheFatMob Guantanamo needs to be shut down too... But they aren't putting women and children in their based on their religious status

[@normadgarmez7026]

Community: That's what I thought

[@Iomeces]

That awkward moment when the version with the talking dragon is the more realistic version.

[@Yuzakkong]

Chinese government: guys China’s image isn’t so good right now, pls make a cool and realistic live action of Mulan Disney: heheh magical chi

[@loturzelrestaurant]

...Did you knew? LILO AND STITCH IS NEXT! This Franchise of Epic High-Quality-Levels of Quality was already Massively Mishandled before it ESCALATED: But now it did! This Franchise, close to my heart as f--k, is going DOWN sooooon!!

[@thefonzkiss]

Surprised Disney haven’t erased the original film version for having Asian characters that look Asian.

[@schmidtythekidd]

And for having non-Asians voice those Asian characters.

[@dudeinoakland]

But given the new rules to even be nominated for an Oscar it's a "virtue"...

[@PossumReviews]

If I recall, I don't think they ever identify the invaders as anything other than "invaders". They never use the word Hun, Mongol, or Mongolian. They're just unspecified "northern invaders".

[@Cheeki_breeki6]

Holy shit it's awesome finding you in the comment section, I love your videos and I think you and the Critical Drinker should team up to make some awesome content.

[@tadpolegaming4510]

Well hello

[@nicripolas816]

Oh, hey dude.

[@aidanmattys7488]

"Rorons" were what they were referred to as. If that means "northern invader" than touche

[@alextar_h_lobo5188]

will you give your own thoughts on the new Mulan ??

[@rodrigofaria9109]

"The Chi is female!" - Kathleen Xing Ling Kennedy

[@waltercomunello121]

lmao

[@613harbinger316]

Scary

[@st4ne4rmthevill63]

You deserve a cookie for this

[@613harbinger316]

But more importantly, you can't spell Kentucky Fried Chicken without 'Chi'.

[@chi7818]

so background, the original Mulan was a folk poem written in ancient China known as Ballad of Mulan. It was a simple poem about a girl who was worried about her father, hid her identity and found for 10+ years. then instead of receiving a government position from the emperor, Mulan only requested a horse so she can go back to her family. the ending lines of the poem are her going into a room, changing into feminine clothes, putting on makeup and surprising her comrades in arms because they never knew she was a women. she then says something along the lines of "if you see 2 rabbits running on the ground there's no way you can tell their gender just by looking". i like the animated one because even though they added some shit (like romance and marriage) it's still the same plot and kept the major points in tact. the live action Mulan completely shits on the source material and is a completely different story. it's like all those movies based off video games that have nothing to do with the original source material like the infamous Super Mario Brothers movie with Bob Hoskins.

[@AegisAuras]

Animated versions message: hard work, dedication, and conviction will bring success This versions message: being born privileged with magic powers that make you superior to others in ways they could never hope to compete with will bring success Wow Disney, thats uh... a really relatable and open minded message. Just be born better than others. What true visionaries we are blessed with over at Disney.

[@Noplayster13]

No, no, no. You don’t get the metaphor. It’s “women are born superior to men in every way. They don’t need to work hard at anything, they just need to stop holding back to appease the weak and jealous men in their lives.”

[@a27wang]

For all the young girls that didn't born with great powers of Chi, they're not hopeless! Disney is implying those girls can be like Mulan's sister..

[@jothecocopop]

I'm so sick and tired of the "strong female character" trope, but I'm also sick and tired of the fact that we just aren't allowed to have female antagonists anymore without there being some morally justifiable reason for them to be antagonists. It's never that they're just bad people, there always has to be someone else to blame for their actions, whether it be a man or other circumstances. I'm tired of it.

[@tackyman2011]

Watch the remake of "Dredd".

[@blaze4metal]

The GI Joe movie did this as well with the Baronness. Her evilness was part of her charm and the actress played it well. But nope, turns out she was just brainwashed (and was actually blonde). It's like the idea of a woman being evil because she loves it can't ever exist in a story these days.

[@mish375]

@@tackyman2011 Mama was one bad b*tch. Totally evil to the core and used men to claw her way to the top.

[@MjolnirsPower]

That's Precisely what they did with Maleficent. She was an Evil Sorceress, who committed to acts of unmitigated hate for hates sake. One of the Greatest movie villainess' of all time reduced to "awe boo hoo I'm mean cause mens was bad to meh women roar gggrrrrr"

[@pCeLobster]

What's comical about the strong female trope is that they've interpreted it to mean literally physically strong. Like, able to beat people up. That's what makes a woman strong to them. Not "strong" in the sense of well written and depthful.

[@jsprite123]

"What's your name, soldier?" Mulan. Mulan Skywalker.

[@masterstacker2833]

Ouch! That hurts.

[@codyduncan6801]

Captain Mulan Skywalker Danvers. And I...have vagene!

[@natebush8217]

@@codyduncan6801 *[Screams in Sam Neil]*

[@codyduncan6801]

Oh...oh that's nice. Now scream in Gary Bussey. Make me loins tingle!

[@ChrisBrown-fx5uk]

Haha

[@darkstock5103]

Like you said in one of your videos: “Because we can’t have a woman taking directions or lessons or wisdom from a man in 2019 now can we?”

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@Vick Murray Did you knew? LILO AND STITCH IS NEXT! This Franchise of Epic High-Quality-Levels of Quality was already Massively Mishandled before it ESCALATED: But now it did! This Franchise, close to my heart as f--k, is going DOWN sooooon!! !

[@kuuttinen]

True. Ripley didn't have to yell at every turn: "hey look I'm a girl and kick ass! Look at me!".

[@bragod]

She just kicked ass and did not accept Game Over :P

[@gregket]

The Alien franchise is just a big Cat Fight in every movie. :P

[@provalone]

Man, I really hope they don't remake Alien with today's toadies at the helm. Can you imagine the jump-scares, sass-talking, and 'empowerment' they would -cram- artfully insert into it?

[@jespacey]

but the ripley in real life now does "every woman is born a hero..."

[@kuuttinen]

@@provalone Unfortunately, I can. Surely they'll make one at some point.😕👌

[@philduran3676]

"Don't forget, the Chi is female"

[@RyuuRider]

@@amazingbakingsoda6811 I'm a childish man that chuckles at this kind of nonsense. Thank you.

[@dublinoseven3279]

Chimale?

[@ju2au]

Actually, Chi is meant to have Ying and Yang with Ying representing "cold" and "female" while Yang is "hot" and "male".

[@doaimanariroll5121]

In daoism qi is masculine actually haha”yang”. Blood is feminine, “yin” Blood and qi make life. Chi is basically the energy that blood carries.

[@Longshanks1690]

Also, the movie filmed in a province of China where there is a literal genocide going on by the same company who won't film in Georgia because of an Abortion law. Because...standards or something? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@corsijtsma3546]

If they'll get money from the chinese goverment then they'll look away.

[@futureflash6331]

Tells you alot about Disney huh

[@jbj27406]

@@futureflash6331 Poor old Walt must be crying himself to sleep each night in his coffin.

[@futureflash6331]

@@jbj27406 yup started out wanting to make movies to entertain but I guarantee you in a couple of years they'll become a real life Umbrella corporation they're already kneeling before and taking the money of regimes next step the D-virus

[@DrearierSpider1]

But that can't be true, Edward. it was only 3 months ago that Disney posted black jpegs all over their social media telling me they care about human rights.

[@noelv1976]

Dang bro...thanks for spending that $30 so we don’t have to. You’re our real hero

[@docblade3270]

A real hero's journey is offensive now!

[@fattiger6957]

Earning your accomplishments and skill through hard work and perseverance is an oppressive tool of the alt-right patriarchy. Women and 'people of colour' are born with superpowers that naturally make them perfect in everything without any training. I really hope parents aren't showing these movies to their kids. Else the western world will collapse in 20 years due to sheer laziness and emotional fragility.

[@puzzled_pelican3626]

Something to note in the original Mulan, Shan Yu (the villian) never cared that mulan was a woman. The huns had woman in thier armies so to him it was nothing out of the ordinary in fact he addresses her as the soldier from the mountain

[@drawapretzel6003]

right? everyone in china was like "omgwtfbbq youre a woman?!?!" and shan yu is like "fuck you im gonna kill your ass for kicking my ass" and its clear who takes her seriously.

[@Radley1982]

@@drawapretzel6003 Wow, so her enemies take her more seriously than her supposed allies? That's sad. I need to see the original, beats the "remake" hands down from the sound of it.

[@skits_3d824]

Well now I have to go back to that scene in the original Mulan and see

[@dr.j.h.1070]

The best part is at the end of the movie, when someone asked her name and she reply: Mulan. Mulan Skywoker!

[@thehowlingmisogynist9871]

Brilliant comment !

[@captain-chair]

Mulan. Mulan Jinping.

[@s.kterrorwolf8409]

How about Mulan Soywalker

[@baskingball6107]

my dad was getting really sad about them "ruining mulan" when this movie was announced now i understand why Edit: im starting to figure out why they took "Be a MAN" out of the movie

[@MrOrcshaman]

So a cartoon, with a talking dragon, was more realistic then its live action counter part. Edit: I wasn't being sarcastic, the animated movie IS more realistic then this crap remake

[@codysingh2572]

Yes because they had relatable emotion Mushu having more realistic emotions. He offered comic relief. Many people are upset because it deviated from the original in having magic chi powers than actually having to work hard it.

[@capthavic]

Pretty much, which is pretty hilarious and sad at the same time.

[@JLConawayII]

Giving this comment a ❤️

[@NexusKin]

The key is that it was a lot more "relatable." A movie doesn't have to always be "realistic" to be relatable.

[@GeorgeMonet]

It was more realistic in its portrayal of its characters and themes.

[@jwnj9716]

It was bland and forgettable. Didn't have the same energy as the animated film. Gosh Disney, either its different but forgettable and dull or its the style of Gus Van Sant's psycho, a complete waste of time. Just rerelease the classics, show these new young audiences the past and why they are regarded as classics.

[@tonym.8069]

Jw Nj hell if they're so desperate they should just remake them in their weird new style and get new celebrities to voice act in them. Either way they don't realize its management and studio interference that leads to most if not all of their inhouse studio ips to suck

[@tonym.8069]

Sorry I house live action iOS to suck and now even the ones under other labels

[@scheve332]

@@tonym.8069 what is this sentence?

[@BerserkerCade77]

Fans of Disney: “create original stories!” Disney: “nah, it’ll be fine.”

[@WOranos]

Honestly, would you trust an original story from modern Disney? Imagine the woke when they aren't hemmed in by non-woke source material.

[@sanjayraju988]

Disney: “No I don’t think I will.”

[@sanjayraju988]

Disney: “We don’t do that here.”

[@RickyRiq89]

@@WOranos We already have Wreck It Ralph 2 unfortunately, almost forgot Frozen 2.

[@herheartbeats5727]

@@WOranos Probably a Marvel's New "Warriors" level yes...just appalling.

[@yo8102]

Disney in the 80s: ugly and poor woman gets the handsome rich prince.... Disney 2020: women are perfect in everything... 🤷‍♂️ why? Don't know...

[@mechajay3358]

_"This movie is a Dishonour! Dishonour on your whole family! Dishonour on you! Dishonour on your (cash) cow!"_

[@HeatherMareeDesignStudio]

And the fact they got rid of Mushu because it offended the CCP... 🙄🙄🙄

[@aurex8937]

These movies are just like Coronavirus: they're everywhere, they spread between stupid people and make some very heated.

[@yatharthjain2273]

they're course rough irritating and gets everywhere

[@danielhawthorne1838]

There are several types of CoronaVirus. You mean to talk about Covid19 huh? The most magical. Most unique one of them all. That was fed to us as complete and utter fear porn. Also lies. By the governments of the world. In order to establish a Global financial reset. As well as tag, and vaccinate us like chattel.

[@pablorages1241]

@@yatharthjain2273 ... like sand

[@MotownShaker]

They're also both fiction

[@a.edw.160]

Windigo Jones yeah, I buy that it isn’t anywhere near as dangerous as we were told. But those people that think it doesn’t exist...holy shit that’s a new kind of stupid. Like flat-earthers and anti-vaxxers

[@SaiIor_Moon]

Mulan now has Force chi. Why? "A good question....for another time."

[@mathiaswilhelm1902]

I actually saw a tweet praising this movie for “historical accuracy” Yeah because T-1000 shapeshifter witches are all the rage in middle age china

[@Heoquayvlog]

"We want to make a Realistic Movie!" - So you call Witch transform, flying people, walking on wall, flying on horse is very realistic huh...oh I forgot, Chinese. Sorry sorry

[@sleepyrowlet]

Exactly, they said they're pandering towards the Chinese culture but then they also claim on making a realistic movie. Decided to cut down Mushu and the cricket, but then add a shapeshifting witch instead. Like how drunk are they seriously you know....

[@EndellionQT]

The things you listed are quite common in Chinese theatre. My friends and I went to see Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon when it released and at points we burst out laughing at how ridiculous some parts were.

[@sleepyrowlet]

@@EndellionQT But it doesn't work as a realism aspect. If those kind of stuff are real in humans, we all be able to run on walls and jump off a cliff then be perfectly safe or kicking hundreds of people's butts on your own. It works on Chinese movies because they're silly but also cool looking, where Mulan is not even about that in the first place. She's not Captain Marvel or Rey from Star Wars.

[@NoName-ji9mb]

As a representative of the CCP I must request that you stop with this phoney news. We have witches and flying horses and everything else you listed. Unfortunately these things are reserved for only the highest in our government and lowly peoples such as yourself will never gain access to them. As such you are mandatory invited to one of our camps for reeducation. Please pack your bags as a representative will be visiting you shortly.

[@VALENTINEBEAMS]

That rhino horn and dehydrated tiger's tears solution is some strong stuff.

[@papillonvu]

Batman was the hero Gotham deserved, but not the one it needed! Mulan was the movie nobody needed, and thus the one Hollywood deserved!

[@ShaunTheCHB]

There was a real life Mulan film in 2009 and that was a genuinely good story starring Zhao Wei. It was not a Disney film, it was made for adults. It had violence, struggle, tragedy, the sacrifice for family, the sense of kinship with the soldiers. A really damn good film. If people want to see a real life Mulan, go watch that one. It's called Mulan: Rise of a Warrior. You can find it on dvd & blu ray for far far cheaper then what Disney expect you to pay for this by the numbers remake of the animated film.

[@rachelknodel5435]

that movie is one of the best ever made....please please please watch it

[@RyuuRider]

Thank you for the recommendation! I was about to go rewatch the animated one, but I think I'll check out Rise of a Warrior instead! **Edit:** Nevermind, apparently it's not available to people living in my area, lmao. I'll vpn around it or something later.

[@TH_Sofa]

Huh cool, thanks for the recommendation.

[@rachelknodel5435]

@@RyuuRider here's a link to watch it online: www.veoh.com/watch/v19697192DZSkejpc

[@zychoo6245]

Its been uploaded on KZbin 3 week ago! With English subtitles!

[@memymomalex]

As a huge fan of the original Mulan, and believing it to be a beautiful movie----thank you. I completely agree with your assessment of the new one.