Crusader Kings 2 - Which Religion is the Most Barbaric?

[@windwind3170]

If you're playing Crusader Kings and your mother is not your daughter, you're doing something wrong.

[@kingdoge8916]

W H A T ?

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

how can your mother be your daughter?

[@Valla686]

@@Cecilia-ky3uw reincarnation.

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

@@Valla686 ahhh makes sense now

[@UkrainePatr1ot]

@@Cecilia-ky3uw You can marry your grandfather/grandmother and your mom would be your step-daughter.

[@snakeenjoyingacanofbeans5219]

Zoroastrianism is known for incest in game but it’s more sympathetic in history when you consider their belief that their enemies were servants of ‘The Lie.’ It’s more interesting in those wars with the Greeks when you know their perspective.

[@SirBallsDeepOfHouseManthrust]

I’m not an expert, but from what I understand, the actual practice of incest in the Zoroastrian nobility was deemed acceptable and holy in mostly theory only, and that there is like little to no evidence of it ever actually happening outside of texts just saying that it’s okay to do. The actual practice had a name I think but I can’t remember.

[@DETCTDLGPE]

Did you know that it is the oldest religion that did not make sacrifices?

[@verrave9022]

@@DETCTDLGPE It's funny how the romans considered the gauls to be barbaric for practicing human sacrifice, meanwhile the persians considered the romans to be barbaric for practicing animal sacrifice. Zoroastrians are so utterly fascinating for possessing one of the most coherent yet ancient religions on the planet that is still practiced to this day. What is more fascinating is that they had an understanding that their god is uncreated, which is a stark contrast when compared to most sedentary cultured civilizations of the time period that practiced idol religions; swapping out their idols and adding new ones every so 30 to a hundred years.

[@scorpionfiresome3834]

@@SirBallsDeepOfHouseManthrust Yes, Xwedodah.

[@salamantics]

Makes it a little confusing the way the parthians dealt with Crassus then.

[@son_of_the_heavymetal1142]

For me, Aztecs wins the list as most barbaric not for the little differences you have listed but these things: Hemophiliac traits and bloodline Flower War CB

[@dr0g_Oakblood]

Technically Muslim women can inherit with enough tolerance technology and status of women laws, but it takes enough effort that only players would realistically ever do it, so I suppose that it wouldn’t help the Muslims’ scores much.

[@foolsgold5588]

Yeah i didn't really make it clear in the video, but for the gender equality points I was running off of what the default gender laws are like for these faiths at the count-level without any tech or player interaction

[@scorpionfiresome3834]

Would you make another one on the After the End mod? These kinds of videos are incredibly entertaining, great job my guy.

[@foolsgold5588]

I was thinking about it! After the End changes up its religion mechanics quite a lot, and there's also less information out there about the specifics. I think I'd want to wait until they're more solidified. But if people really wanted to hear my thoughts on the current state of the mod, I might go for it.

[@scorpionfiresome3834]

That sounds like a good idea, the only risk is, well, that it’ll take years for After the End to “stabilize” and have it’s mechanics fixed in one place. One thing you could do is get in contact with the modders themselves and get all the info you need from them, i might just be asking too much though.

[@mateuszslawinski1990]

I don't see a reason why Meritocracy is a factor, but Eldership is not. In Meritocracy you can nominate your child (in a hereditiary succession), but with Eldership you can nominate anyone from your family and you have to get acceptance from the elders. Not a modern democracy, but still better, than Meritocracy.

[@El-xh4tz]

Jajaja povrecito democracia mejor que una verdadera meritocracia

[@brimstonesulfur5013]

Fun fact Zikrisim is completely anachronistic as it arose in the 15th century, the only reason it is in CK2 is to import it in Europa universalis as its one of the better faiths in that game

[@yeezyyankie324]

10:59 Man Imagine being a manager in that country

[@diamondinthesky4771]

POV: You manage a franchise store in [Karen Persia's capital] and the Shahansah's wife demands to speak with you.

[@bioio2154]

I was brought here from your stunning work done on the in depth synopsis of the fall of Jerusalem story ark. Your content lives up to that work. Well done.

[@danshakuimo]

The Sunset Invasion is a meme in CK2 but not having it as a special game mode in EU4 is a missed opportunity

[@Madokaexe]

1 year later, but if you make a save with ck2 sunset invasion and then move it to EU4 the Aztec empire and the Inca empire will start united and much more powerful than European nations

[@s.a3081]

damn, i thought this is gonna be some half-assed explanation video because of how little view it got, but god damn it actually pretty damn good and props to you man... hopefully with time the algorithm god will grant you views. keep up the good work.

[@rothern3761]

I wonder why the fact you can declare a religious war against your neighbors wasn't talked about, only jains and taoists can't declare holy wars, would have thought that'd get the taoist some cred. That eastern religions are tolerant of each other(Not causing any religious rebels with culture being the big thing) not being talked about was strange too.

[@foolsgold5588]

Those are good points. Because CK2's religion mechanics are much less structured than ck3's, while making the video I repeatedly encountered small exceptions like that, including mechanics that are straight up not listed in the religion tool tips.

[@espirireis8396]

"A list of religions from the most based to most cringe" here I fixed your title Spoiler: Aztec religion is the most based religion with 14.5 points and the jain religion is the most cringe with -3.6 points

[@foolsgold5588]

Based comment

[@Granzteelvids]

I once had an aunt Asa in game set as benefactor in a crusade and has successfully got her a fief. Playing as her after transferring all my wealth and the ring (if you know, you already know what she is), I had her rush taking Arabia (with 25 martial, 72 personal combat and wealth that puts the Pope to shame), and "take care" of her son outside the dynasty. The problem is she's already 46 but by some "miracle", she had a son and needless to say, the dynasty continues. The Hag of Gotland is only one of the fun stories I get to produce out of my Gotland Republic run, and I had multiple runs 😉 Point being, the barbarism is truly not exclusive to the most savage religions

[@thirteenthdemon1204]

This video is so soy, it made me lactose intolerant.

[@henrykkeszenowicz4664]

As someone who tries to practice Zoroastrianism in real life, I can say that it's a wholesome religion with values which I genuinely share. Good thoughts, good words and good deeds are just a way of life, God will hear your prayers if you're a genuinely good person. In ck2 howevet, it just allows me to start an incest party right away, but that's exactly what this game is made for.

[@ch.o0480]

Isn't zoroastrianism inherited from the mother, like Judaism you can't just convert to it ?

[@milantoth6246]

i disagree with the fact that you counted in having a singular religious head, but otherwise i mostly agree.

[@sungi7814]

I wonder, why they made it possible to go hunting for Jains in CK 3.

[@foolsgold5588]

Literally unplayable

[@gh0rochi363]

Many Islamic game mechanics were more Arab things. Many of those things are considered a sin. Just as insight cool video

[@redmenace5536]

Very well done!Thanks for this video

[@KaneCold]

I know, not really a reason to start a dispute ... but I think that the additional taxation of non-Muslims when playing Muslim characters isn't really more barbaric ... actually, it's quite the opposite. Rather than outright demand conversion, you can keep your faith if you think it's worth the trouble. And as a ruler you get the extra funds and interested you need to defend minorities. Of course, this mixes real-life intentions with game mechanics but it's nonetheless interesting for an Muslim character to own some non-Muslim vassals.

[@foolsgold5588]

As far as game mechanics are concerned, infidel tax religions don't result in better quality of life for religious minorities - at the end of the day they're losing more money to inequal taxation than they would be if they converted, and they can still be forcibly converted/title revoked for being an infidel if the ruler wants it, same as any other faith.

[@KaneCold]

@@foolsgold5588 well it's the same in real life ... the ruler can still enforce its faith but has to wager fewer taxes. I also remember a situation when Arumba mentioned that it's nice to have vassals of a different faith for more taxes. And when Arumba thought your nice to have because of taxes, then I think it does it job xD

[@khadimazouz1285]

@Ronaldjump stop playing eu4, your Brain IS rotting

[@fishboy2831]

wouldn't having a religious head make you less barbaric?

[@foolsgold5588]

power corrupts

[@fishboy2831]

@@foolsgold5588 it may corrupt but does that make the religion its self barbaric

[@prs_81]

Your narration is simply amazing haha

[@Predator_Magnus]

Great video, brother.

[@Unwichtigmail]

wow only 2k views, this one was really good

[@r.o.b8728]

well i'm going aztec next game i play in ck3 oh wait

[@StaP876]

Awesome content :D

[@StephanthePelted]

IMO if you were judging the Qarmatians based on real life events, probably you should take into account the Muslim events and theology behind it, particularly on Houri and Jannah... Its pretty barbaric from an outsider POV...

[@camelofsiberia962]

Insider too

[@ibn_adham]

Huh?

[@Someone-by6jm]

Atheist propaganda

[@foolsgold5588]

Yes

[@Nikwunu]

*tips fedora* how do you do m'lady?

[@PCGameNerd917]

Do one for CK3.

[@rifkinr4660]

nice analysis !

[@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522]

Shouldnt iconclasism be a hair moee barbaric for vandalism?

[@foolsgold5588]

vandalism has no representation in game mechanics

[@peterlewis2178]

@@foolsgold5588 I know this is replying to an ancient comment, but it actually technically does sort of have a game mechanic, in that as Iconoclast, you can't hold icons in your treasury. So, if you were to inherit one, like the Image of Edessa, it would be destroyed.

[@arielgaray302]

Loved the monologue at the intro hahaha. So true

[@b.l.0427]

In kali puja not human sacrifice its a mahish(Bull)

[@foolsgold5588]

Yep, just talking about the game here, not real life

[@yeezyyankie324]

Lib right be like 0:36

[@OneMoreDesu]

Underrated video

[@JanSolil]

Lmao I didn't expect Hindu to take such a high spot like they're 3-4th When I imagine a hindu person I imagine someone peaceful tho I do tend to forget about the cast system which iiiiiiiiis... yeah it's internal religious segeregation Doesn't matter if you're also a hindu you have to be the right kind of hindu They're not even tolerant to their neighbours...

[@foolsgold5588]

Opinions are not intended to reflect real life, only the game mechanics

[@tmo_117]

Definitely don’t agree with having a singular head as a bad thing at all, but when they have powers over countries and have the ability to call countries to war for any reason, Muslim or catholic or any religion with one, then I can agree lol

[@ZiraRisasi]

Cathars, not even once. Also women clergy is not a good thing and goes against Peters succession

[@mikeoxsmal8022]

Women clergy good

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

imma start the protestant revolution

[@lv-gamer2568]

Meh...I just behead anyone who does not agree with my absolute monarchy. Which other game allows you to imprison children of your enemies and publicly execute them as a lesson to anyone who thinks about making a move against you? CK2 is awesome!

[@alexandresilveira6905]

How having concubines is barbarian but having consorts is civilized?

[@foolsgold5588]

Concubinage as a whole is barbaric, but I reduced the penalty if both genders can take concubines because at least the power inequality is reduced

[@euboean3079]

Concubines are usually (though not always) sex slaves and consorts are women who voluntarily fuck rulers out of wedlock.

[@KubernetePirata]

Ah, so no matter how much tolerance points I invested, I still can't directly grant my daughter a county, I have to change my religion to do that? Shame...

[@foolsgold5588]

Tolerance tech allows you to upgrade status of women laws available in the Conclave DLC, I believe at full status they can be granted land in religions that normally disallow it. I'm basing these scores on the religions as they exist at the start of the game at their defaults, but this can be changed through the player's effort.

[@KubernetePirata]

@@foolsgold5588 Really? I played like 2 serious Catholic runs & I can't grant titles to my daughters. The only way I see women gets their own county is when she inherited it from her father. In an Orthodox game where my character is an emperor. I gave 2 kingdoms to my son & he had 2 daughters. He died, his 2 daughters each got their own kingdom & immediately went to war at each other. So what did I do wrong?

[@willnorman-bargo]

Could you make one for eu4?

[@foolsgold5588]

I don't play eu4

[@willnorman-bargo]

@@foolsgold5588 that's fair enough, not everyone does. Would you mind of I take your format and do one for eu4?

[@foolsgold5588]

@@willnorman-bargo go ahead, it is all yours my friend

[@willnorman-bargo]

@@foolsgold5588 thanks, I will tell you when it's done, and mention you in the video.

[@pashagolshan6490]

were can you get this tier list maker

[@mingchina4499]

Think you did the list the wrong way round

[@antonnemkov989]

Wait why is a high priest barbaric? Isn't organisation the root of civilisation?

[@youngoutlaw5150]

Lmao I don't understand why concubines is it negative thing?

[@foolsgold5588]

You can take prisoners as concubines without consent, that's rape

[@youngoutlaw5150]

@@foolsgold5588true

[@Nikwunu]

@Dmitry TKR based

[@andrew2715]

Your analysis is pure soy

[@foolsgold5588]

Yes.

[@bernardcornellisvanmeijere4375]

Don't the Jewish heresies and Judaism have the exact same features considering that they all lack features?

[@foolsgold5588]

Judaism has the ability to create an absolute religious head with powers similar to the pope, which gives them some barbaric points

[@bernardcornellisvanmeijere4375]

@@foolsgold5588 from what I've read they all have the same features, admittedly there isn't much to read about the subject and the info is old, maybe they where changed in a patch... For me it's odd that they don't also restore the priesthood, considering that it's highly important in all three, hell in the 'standard' faith in game (simply known as Judaism) it would arguably be less important than in Samaritanism and Karaitism...

[@bernardcornellisvanmeijere4375]

@@foolsgold5588 I just scrolled through some r/crusaderkings and it's suggested that if the Jewish heresies go mainstream that they will literally have the exact same mechanics as the now heretical Judaism.

[@foolsgold5588]

Just checked in-game myself to confirm. Jewish heresies can create Israel and build the third temple, but they cannot recreate the high priesthood and give themselves a religious head, even if they're the dominant faith and Judaism is a heresy. It says it right in the tool tip for both heresies: "There is (and can exist) no religious head."

[@bernardcornellisvanmeijere4375]

@@foolsgold5588 thanks for checking, I own CK2 but unfortunately a smartphone is too weak to run the game. Man I cannot wait to see how they improve on all religions in CK3.

[@Romaboo453]

The chad chatholics

[@Tleanantz]

Give tierlist

[@foolsgold5588]

Linked it on my Twitter twitter.com/Fools_Gold45

[@Hoheinohonryo]

Do you chose your religion in ck2

[@Hoheinohonryo]

I never bout ck2 I want to buy it

[@johndover2491]

It’s free on steam but you need to buy DLC to play any other religion than catholic also if you sub to their newsletter you get pagan dlc free

[@Hoheinohonryo]

@@johndover2491 ok

[@Hoheinohonryo]

@@johndover2491 all dlc or a few dlc

[@grammysworld5449]

So it's only fine to have concubines when both genders have it?

[@foolsgold5588]

It's not "fine", but it's at least fair

[@Jan-nl6kq]

HEHE CHRISTIAN GO DEUS VULT! son...

[@foolsgold5588]

*racks shotgun with religious intent*

[@yonathanrakau1783]

SONS OF RAGNAR WANTS TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION

[@Real_gandalf]

As a swede i am proud of my country

[@foolsgold5588]

Barbarian moment

[@worldwidepolls7464]

Why are you using barbaric instead of fun to play as

[@foolsgold5588]

Point taken, next time I'll use based and redpilled

[@maleexile9053]

Work both ways you know

[@DugongClock]

Bro improve your writing skills. You said the word today 4 times in the first 20 seconds, and multiple times redundantly.

[@foolsgold5588]

Noted

[@denniswilkerson5536]

“It is hard to see how a great man can be an atheist. Without the sustaining influence of faith in a divine power we could have little faith in ourselves. We need to feel that behind us is intelligence and love. Doubters do not achieve; skeptics do not contribute; cynics do not create. Faith is the great motive power, and no man realizes his full possibilities unless he has the deep conviction that life is eternally important, and that his work, well done, is a part of an unending plan.” - Calvin Coolidge Men whom believe in no God(s) or those who do not have any divine influence in their personal lives are more likely to selfishly act out in ways that regard their own personal prosperity, historically atheistic leaders who have been in power in recent decades have upended worldwide stability to breaking point and have spread atheistic ideologies that have killed more people through warfare in 20th century alone than the religious wars of the previous 19 put together. I guess we all have our biases and our own ways of looking at things..... I was interested in watching this vid until I heard that most unnecessary disclaimer at the intro.....

[@foolsgold5588]

Bruh moment

[@denniswilkerson5536]

@@foolsgold5588 I love you

[@denniswilkerson5536]

@@handlessuck777 Depends on the theist

[@stanisawzokiewski3308]

Shouldnt incest be progressive?

[@foolsgold5588]

Understanding why inbreeding is bad is a mark of scientific progress and thus civilization

[@stanisawzokiewski3308]

@@foolsgold5588 why is it bad (no religious arguments)

[@foolsgold5588]

Because multiple generations of inbreeding lead to genetic deformity? What are you even trying to argue?

[@stanisawzokiewski3308]

@@foolsgold5588 im not arguing for anything just advocatus diaboli. Incest and inbreeding is not the same thing. Incestual sex can occur without concieving children. Birthcontrol or abortion for example. So again what argument apart from religious would make incest bad?

[@foolsgold5588]

@@stanisawzokiewski3308 I'm not interested in such a deep philosophical discussion. The rankings are based on game mechanics as I said, and under most circumstances marriage between two characters in the game always carries a chance of reproduction. There are no birth control or abortion mechanics that the player can directly control. Please don't bang your family members.

[@tr1084]

Not having female clerics is good actually.

[@foolsgold5588]

Why's that?

[@tr1084]

​@@foolsgold5588 The absolute state of Episcopalians and corporate HR departments is answer enough. mb (hit enter too early, left out the rest of the comment) Jokes aside, the paternal role of priest respects the theology of the body and acknowledges our sexual dimorphism. The mother remains one of the most important roles as the mother is the one who catechises her children. This would be a complementary approach to sex as opposed to a kind of gender equity that is a perceived virtue that may be a product of the time and place of your birth.

[@foolsgold5588]

@@tr1084 I can't agree with that. A societal refusal to open up career and life paths to certain individuals based on anything other than lack of ability and merit is inherently unjust.

[@BucketBoatable]

Cringe