what happened to u/Howwwwwwwwwwww?

[@Cuestar]

what do you think happened to u/Howwwwwwwwwwww?

[@nettles5058]

bro died

[@DWPersianExcursion]

🥺

[@muichirotokitou2615]

my guy got morbed.

[@DeadAlready_1248]

Bro got sent to the shadow realm

[@dumbguy4700]

this might be a stretch but, I'm saying he was murdered the smell of the clean clothes were her cover up, washing her own/the victims clothes, or maybe even together due to how strong the smell was, the cameras might have been set up for her to see anything that she didn't like, maybe cops or u/howwwwwwwwwww going up there to see what's happening and the reason he hasn't been online in 2 years is probably because his wife came across it and didn't like it or the camgirl thing could be correct and I'm just driving too deep into this

[@aquariumstudios1430]

I saw a comment under one of OP’s posts saying, “She has another husband up there & she told him the downstairs is off limits,” and while I don’t think that’s the case, that is the funniest possibility ever. (Does she not allow her other husband to leave? He can’t go downstairs, so does she just keep him locked up and bring up table scraps?)

[@ds7307]

Fantastic

[@djjhonson2996]

But there's a twist they keep a rope ladder in the back room. Everytime he wants to leave he throws the rope ladder out the window and climbs down.

[@dataexpunged93N15]

@@djjhonson2996 reverse Rapunzel, she lassos him down with her hair

[@troubleinthevalley5884]

That's freaking hilarious and I'm going with this answer LOL I won't accept anything else

[@djentile7773]

They have a side edit porch that he leaves out of so the two betas never cross paths 😂

[@marshmallowmountains4636]

He didn't want to storm up there because it would "break her trust", but like...how is someone stopping you from going into an entire area of your house and being super cagey about it NOT being mistrustful towards you already? There already ISN'T any trust to break.

[@junkoyaki5486]

thats true... the guy just didnt want to accept the truth

[@dashat3938]

i thought the exact same thing.

[@AnonVoids]

That’s not trust, she’s claimed a floor as a supposed joke than forced it to be reality, that’s demanding, trust situation my ass. OP is 100% shit posting or stupid beyond understanding

[@morninggloom8391]

Also, suspiciously not being able to go in a room, a weird smell, a lot of packages being ordered there, it’s probably not but my immediate thought was dead body or growing drugs or smthn. That’s the kind of thing you need to at least check.

[@Dontstopbelievingman]

What if it was a guy, who was setting up a 'man cave'? Would that be more acceptable? Honest question: I'm just thinking there are times when one partner bans another from an area of their house, often quite aggressively, including defending the purchase of all kinds of things they don't disclose to their partner. Personally, I wouldn't accept that or be with someone who did that. But I am aware of relationships where men expressly forbid women into areas of their own houses. But then the guy himself, if he's a real person and not a troll, sounds like he needs to go to a couples therapist, and he needs solo therapy too. If he's real, sounds like he has trauma from being raised in an unsafe environment, and it's possible that he's not a good judge of character because of it and is now in a very unhealthy relationship where he's unable to set clear boundaries for himself.

[@angeldite30]

I honestly think it’s probably her being a cam girl, she’s buying things off her personal Amazon, cameras by accident on their joint..maybe has a full set up and is afraid of his reaction. Still horribly strange but a good theory You should do more things like this I think we all enjoy the content! :)

[@maskedkitsune2686]

honestly theres a chance shes not even buying the stuff if she is a cam girl, she could have people buying stuff off of her amazon wishlist

[@angeldite30]

@@maskedkitsune2686 I thought the same thing!!

[@maskedkitsune2686]

@@angeldite30 yeah, because alot of people have those like wishlist and with that you wouldn't have to worry about like bank statements or anything

[@Sh3nan1gans]

My thoughts exactly. Love you, fellow nerd

[@MeCooper]

Exactly this. This is essentially what a friend of mine used to do when her boyfriend would stay at her house, She just had "the forbidden room" and as random as it sounds, For some reason he came to the conclusion that she was doing taxidermy... I mean yes, She was stuffing a pussy, But no cats.

[@SpaceBirbLizzy]

If this is real: I really think the Cam girl theorie is the most likely possibility and when he found out he didn't want to expose her online by saying what happened. Abandoning the account after getting what he wanted from it.

[@rfipahy]

Yeah this was my conclusion on it as well. She probably stared doing it at 18 and makes decent money so she needs/ wants to continue being a cam girl even after being married

[@KirkWilson86]

This theory is by far the most intriguing and possible.

[@starjumper]

@@MudkipsAreEpicWin Thats what I was thinking. This all seems way too extreme for just some regular cam girl stuff.

[@erosion2205]

@@rfipahy large package was Moby huge

[@erosion2205]

Also the cameras can be explained as those weird streams of people's room. Where strangers get off to watching all angles of somebody living ordinary life

[@Wiltings]

Honestly I think the relationship fell through, and it was a clusterfuck. Hence why no followup. Mainly because of trust issues and communication failure.

[@dmwanderer9454]

Yeah whatever he found made him realize he's the idiot and literally everyone on reddit was right, as crazy as that sounds.

[@slimeinabox]

Or she killed him.

[@nekuraookami]

She probably got ahold of his phone or computer and saw the reddits or his texts to other people about the issue they had a fight about it and hes either finally up in one of the rooms or they hopefully simply broke up. Or hes just not allowed to use internet anymore and is now a good obedient simp

[@iamalexwolf]

Even if it ended well then he would still not be interested as he no longer needs their help but it high likely ended terribly. If she was not a cam girl then she probably had some kind of hobby she was ashamed of which would f*ck up their trust anyways

[@xr.spedtech]

@@nekuraookami 💀💀💀

[@amandastiles6219]

It would be a crazy twist if she was remodeling the upstairs so he could have the ultimate game room or something and since his last post he's gotten the surprise. It doesn't really seem likely but it would be a nice wholesome twist to the story

[@cariyaputta]

It can't be. As he said that she told him "I'd rather not have you upset".

[@Vermbraunt]

@@cariyaputta Yeah but that could just be a red herring. But i feel if that was the case then she would have finished by now i think there would be an update saying what happened.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

@@cariyaputta I know several guys who would be upset about renovation

[@jones2984]

A super gaming house

[@BuckeyeNut123]

He isn't a gamer. He's in a serious relationship. Hard core gamers do not have time for proper relationships.

[@nixeradicatus]

Haven't you heard the tale of Bluebeard? Clearly, what she's hiding are the bodies of all the boyfriends that went into her forbidden rooms. And now she uses them as props for her cam shows.

[@TonySamedi]

This is literally what I was thinking. This entire post sounds like a genderflipped Bluebeard.

[@abbyjackson5288]

YES I was thinking the same thing!

[@MortalOrder]

Glad I’m not alone in thinking this

[@lidiyaheyheyhey3387]

Omg thats what i was thinking

[@justanothertouhoufan6484]

What did Bluebeard do again? The name sounds familiar…

[@breezypeezy2714]

I’ve seen the signs well enough, this woman is a hoarder. Her room may have appeared normal but she is most likely someone who’s tendency’s demand that her hoard is organized to her liking, to me the biggest sign for this is she wanted the floor when for sake of cam work she could have easily requested her office be off limits

[@fev3rdre4m]

That could actually make so much sense

[@yourunclered6686]

I thought the same thing, especially since he mentioned the smell. It’s not uncommon that people with hoarding disorder are ashamed of it and contain it to one area of the house. The couple really needs clear communication, and she needs to stop stonewalling, if they actually want to have a long healthy relationship

[@goofygoober1816]

damn never thought of that

[@spattykins]

Assuming this story is real, I honestly think she's a hoarder. I know OP said he saw a picture of her childhood bedroom but never saw it in person. But that doesn't mean much. A room can be cleaned by anyone for a short time.

[@autumn557]

Like Monica’s closet in Friends!

[@checkmy_paperclips]

this one probably makes the most sense, actually.

[@larsland]

Ooh I feel like this makes the most sense.

[@hazelevans2881]

This! thank you, the entire time that's all I thought. The musty smell and hidden Amazon (online spending) explains not talking about finances either.

[@kayladunaway7101]

The aggression, deflection, and constant secret online purchases (of what sounds like EXTREAM amounts of clothing items judging by the cloth smell) all fit very snugly into an internet enabled shopping addiction and hoarding

[@RatedFforFUGlenda]

OP is a writer with writer’s block. He is using reddit to brainstorm idea on what his fictional love interest is hiding.

[@lonelystarslibrary9326]

Oh damn that would make sense

[@potatoman7594]

and he liked the camgirl idea I suppose

[@dellenga]

Honestly yes, it really feels like it

[@nori_jpg]

Why make it seem real then? They could have just put it under a thread for made up /warm up stories

[@potatoman7594]

@nori_jpg he's freaky

[@wyatt864]

OP needs to claim the bottom floor to open a pet store and make her use a ladder

[@guguedaniful]

I loved your "its fake. Reasoning? Michael Jordan" hahahahaha

[@CatsOverBrats]

"It smells like old linens." Oh, so she's selling LuLaRoe? That would also make the many packages make sense. If she's in an MLM, spending all her money (and probably his too), she doesn't want him to know because deep inside she knows how fucked up it is.

[@groobs]

Coulllld be thiiiiisss and im surprised no one else is saying this 👍👍👍

[@1faithchick7]

Huh. Interesting. Could be!

[@thatsyaboi8185]

can you explain the situation with MLM. and why it would require all the money?

[@CatsOverBrats]

@@thatsyaboi8185 MLM's are pyramid schemes. They suck you dry and make you scam other people for money as well to try and get back what you lost.

[@animeloveer97]

except its amazon packages

[@Oatmilk345]

It’s really hard to feel sympathy for this guy when he’s doing everything to disrespect himself and make his situation worse.

[@dalekasylum8227]

I'm not tryna play armchair youtube psychiatrist but like if this story is true it could be that he had an abusive childhood or some shit so he was conditioned to do the utmost possible to be nonconfrontational and make the other party happy. this could also be supported by the growing up around meth labs thing. but again im just a youtube idiot.

[@Oatmilk345]

@@dalekasylum8227 thanks for your input tho!

[@canada1529]

Doesn't have to mean thet had an abusive childhood. Honestly his girlfriend sounds like a massive control freak with severe boubdary issues and I really do get the impression that this is just the tip of the iceberg of the innerworkings of this relationship. I think the most likely scenario is that she'a an abuser, given how ready he is to defend her.

[@Oatmilk345]

@@canada1529 he might’ve smoked some of that meth he mentioned when he was a kid and it fucked his brain up 😂

[@Yipyipyay]

It's called a b u s e

[@olivinemage4233]

Camgirl (+maybe OCD and definite boundary issues) sounds like the most realistic answer to this weird post. The big boxes, cameras, and secret Amazon account make sense if she was ordering show lights, toys, outfits, etc. If she is a camgirl and she is doing so behind his back, that's a big breach of trust. Some couple's are fine with that sort of arrangement and no judgement. But that only works if both parties know and are cool with it. Also, I've heard of people who never had any privacy growing up who then overcompensate when they're adults by never letting anyone in "their space" but that usually only applies to their 1 bedroom. Which is why it would especially make sense that she might also have OCD if she's taking it to this extreme. If her setup upstairs has "everything in its proper place" and she doesn't want him or anyone "messing it up" to such an extent she refuses to let anyone up there, the least malicious thing that still makes sense would be some form of poorly managed OCD. Either way, she definitely needs some therapy. Preferably couple's therapy so he can get some answers and she can have a professional let her know it's completely unreasonable to disallow her someone from accessing an entire floor of their house. And if she keeps this up, she's likely looking at a divorce sometime in the not so distant future.

[@kirbylover5418]

I agree with the thought on OCD! I’m currently dating someone with OCD and we’ve talked about if we bought a house that he’d want his own room to keep to his cleanliness standards (washing hands before entering, removing shoes/clean feet, etc). He’d like to share a bedroom, and not impose rules on me he knows are extreme in shared spaces, but wants a space that reduces anxiety. The inability to discuss feels like the biggest issue here, tbh.

[@ucgghbvbhfd]

Yeah, my mom has ocd and freaks out if anyone goes in her room. Maybe the gf doesn’t want the op to know because she’s worried he’ll think she’s weird or leave her.

[@evangelionfan69]

If this story is real, I 100% believe this is what is happening here

[@rr0sewater]

My immediate thought was definitely that she's a cam girl, that could explain why she doesn't like the topic of money bc if she was she'd be making a TON of money on the side that the boyfriend would have absolutely no idea about. And she said it would upset him to see it which would also make sense if she was a cam girl. What I wouldn't get is why does she need four entire rooms? If her bedroom was secret before she could've just kept it all in there and be way less suspicious.

[@puchipuchi808]

The 4 rooms could be extra space for more kinkier stuff?

[@devind4781]

So my thought was the same, and my guess is the 4 rooms are just to ensure he doesn't walk up and hear her or something of that sort.

[@MassiveSwordAndCards]

Yeah, it seems like he intentionally left out a lot of obvious details, like not only do we not know what her job is; we don't even know if she works at all. Everything about this screams insecurity from both of them, and deep shame on the part of the girlfriend. Even if it's something as innocent her having safety/privacy issues, refusing to even say what's up there isn't compatible with those explanations. She's doing something she knows people will negatively judge her for, and probably rightfully so. The most bizarre part to me is that she even wanted to be married and share a home to begin with if she needs this much space to be alone all the time. Maybe she's just using him for money; he was a way for her to get her own whole ass home. I mean, four rooms is a LOT. That's as big as my house, which has FIVE people in it.

[@Zenikai_]

i thought the same thing BUT, he's able to hear her walk from room to room. if you can hear them walk you definitely hear her moaning unless she's extremely quite which most cam girls aren't. i also thought about the rooms as other sets but again, he hears he walk from room to room often. Cam girls don't move rooms unless they're on phones or move the entire set up. (aka moving to a new place) he smells cloths not laundry but cloths. in order for him to smell that she'd need A LOT of clothing like thousands. what else makes the clothing type of smell? why did he specifically say cloths and not laundry? the second thing i thought was a hoarder. This is likely due to him never seeing her take anything back down. meaning the boxes and packaging is still in the room(s). this could also just be him not seeing her do it and it doesn't smell like trash which he says in the posts. my opinion is this is a troll that wanted attention. he probably got too much and backed out when people kept calling him out for not just walking upstairs. On the other hand, he could have also gotten murdered by his girlfriend after he walked upstairs.

[@cariyaputta]

@@Zenikai_ he can hear she walks from room to room, but she can have sound isolation installed inside.

[@_SquishyShark_]

"We are so open to each other except for this huge tiny detail that im not allowed in my own house" this dude is on some hardcore copium

[@UltraMarineBlue]

OP sounds like such a pushover ಠ_ಠ it sounds like she can do absolutely anything at the cost of his boundaries, wants and needs, but the moment anyone says something about it and stands op to her up for him - HIM - he'll lose his marbles and defends her actions no matter how unreasonable they are..

[@LightYagami-xl1wz]

It’s called abuse. I’ve had an abusive girlfriend before… not fun.

[@UltraMarineBlue]

@@LightYagami-xl1wz yeah, there's definitely some kind of abuse going on

[@ninjireal]

I see myself in him. A direct goddamn mirror.

[@ninjireal]

@@LightYagami-xl1wz relate

[@UltraMarineBlue]

@@ninjireal I wish you the best and I hope you heal your inner child (◡‿◡✿)

[@jmichaelb3632]

This is 100% a failed nosleep or some type of ARG horror story, this is honestly what I figured it was when I clicked the video. He probably backed out because no one liked him or his logic and he probably started it without an end goal and gave up.

[@lonelystarslibrary9326]

Yep

[@nin_tendo6458]

That makes sense, honestly.

[@cjenui]

Yeah lol, if this was really happening why would you include every single detail about your lives when they're not needed

[@hadleem2557]

this was my first thought as well. just the way op told the story is a pretty giving tell

[@loslingos1232]

Agreed

[@darthslain]

im reminded of a story about certain man whose daughter disappeared and he banned his wife from going into the basement. now she is probably not doing anything near as bad as he was but she is 100% up to some shady shit up there

[@NunyaNomi]

Fritz is his last name I know who you’re talking about

[@someguy4384]

This is abusive behaviour. Everyone has their own spaces. Everyone has a room in their house they feel is for them. My wife has the upstairs study (gamer-girl haven) I have the far end of the basement (man cave). However, neither of us exclude the other from our spaces. I don't typically go to her room unless she's in there, and when I do it's to clean the house or whatever. She doesn't typically come into my man cave, and when she does it's to do much the same. Clean, come tell me stuff, snuggle, whatever. It's healthy, I think, to have a private space just for yourself. What isn't healthy is to gaslight and control someone through emotional manipulation. Walking into a room, or an entire floor of a house, shouldn't feel like a violation of trust. Regardless of the reason. This is some cultish behaviour and the beginnings of what I can only assume will be a violent and extremely abusive relationship. Possibly from both sides, though I have no doubt that the woman here will be the instigator. Coming to Reddit was a mistake for this man in only that most people on Reddit don't really understand abusive relationships. Most people don't. He will eventually see this as normal, get used to this weird and quirky behaviour, and then she'll push the line further. Then it'll be an issue again for a year or two, until that new line is the new normal. Then it gets pushed further. Again and again until either he breaks and accepts every restriction and rule she sets down, or snaps and violates them all in one fell swoop. Both would result in violence. This man needs to go upstairs. Not because he needs to see what's up there, but because to do otherwise is to doom his relationship.

[@laurenc4138]

This! It made me mad when he’s like “I don’t want to step on her boundaries” Um, sir, no…. She stomped all over yours by claiming the majority of your house as her own and forbidding you from going in there. That rationale to me seems too stupid to be real, but if it is real this guy is a moron. My condo is large and has 2 big bedrooms, so I turned the second into like a game room/office/we joke that it’s my second closet, and our shared bedroom is my bfs sanctuary, but I would never think to tell him “don’t go in there” the only time I’ve ever banned him or our dogs from that room is when I’m giving a training for work, which I think is a reasonable request, and it’s still just a request. He’s popped his head in a couple times to bring me food or a drink and I just quietly thank him, I don’t lose my mind about him “invading my space” because all of the house is shared space, we just so happened to kind of divide it But hey what do we know, you and I sound like normal healthy functional adults lol

[@pancakes8670]

And also doom his own mental health. If she learns she can keep him from going up stairs, how else will she be able to control him?

[@LittleLotteWanders]

Well said, my guy.

[@CoolerGuy121]

👏👏👏👏

[@metademetra]

I think his relationship is already doomed. I think he needs to go up there to make sure she's only doing camgirl stuff and not doing anything scarily illegal

[@sunshinem.7741]

I have a hunch that the cam girl idea could be right. If her teen years were very difficult, maybe she started a cam account at 18 to save up and get out of the house. If it was extreme enough, she may feel a compulsion to continue it even though she doesn't need to. Maybe she feels like it's all she can do to earn enough money now and she's stuck. Or she has trauma from her younger years and hoards something up there. Maybe there was some kind of instability that has caused her to hoard clothing, or towels, food, etc. Either way, it feels like there is some kind of trauma response going on to cause something like this. It is very suspicious and it would be nice to get closure on this. Also, nice to see you Cue!

[@Thomas_Winters]

How do you know about all this? Is this something you study? Have you or someone you know experienced this? Passing knowledge?

[@Bimbologyexpert]

@@Thomas_Winters it’s all true, I was the Amazon package

[@markuslouw3727]

I think the hoarding theory could be right. She’s buying tons of stuff, things are a touch smelly, she’s very private abt it.

[@sunshinem.7741]

@@Thomas_Winters These were just my best ideas regarding the curious situation. Though I don't know anyone personally who began making online content in order to make money to escape a bad home, it's not too uncommon because they can do it privately, don't need transportation, and won't be going out every night and drawing attention from controlling family members. I do, however, have personal experience with both trauma and hoarding. Growing up financially unstable with a hoarding single mother has been very impactful in my adult life. Over the years, several friends have also had their own troubles that we could identify effects from and they've worked very hard to undo what they didn't like. The ideas in my comment were a combination of first and secondhand experience. There's reasonable suspicion, but I certainly don't know for certain what the woman was doing or why.

[@Iconoplastt]

It seems to me a lot of people seem to not realize SHE is the one who broke trust initially. Keeping a secret, claiming a floor of the house and keeping secrets with cameras, is a HUGE trust issue. Him concerned about BREAKING her trust is a bit backwards. But not everyone has a spine or brains. This woman could be living a whole different, spending all types of money on BS. The Amazon account is CONCERNING... this guy's marriage is breaking down and he's concerned about overstepping bounds, what an idiot.

[@meilee8554]

I think she's just overbearingly toxic and he's used to it but this made him realize how bad it was. Even if what she's hiding isn't that bad, it's the fact she hid it and the way she's doing it that tells me how toxic she is. I'll be damned if my partner tells me I am banned from going into a certain area of my own house without a really good reason for it. She's treating him like a dog with dirty paws.

[@Iconoplastt]

@@meilee8554 secrets and breaking trust are often huge issues in marriages and relationships. His heart is in the right place, but his spine and brain are not.

[@meilee8554]

@@Iconoplastt True. He's a doormat. Marching up there is precisely what he should do but he's refusing to out of poorly hiden fear for what she might be doing.

[@Iconoplastt]

@@meilee8554 Absolutely!

[@nekuraookami]

He doesnt even need to just march up there just sit her down tell her that if she cant trust Him enough to have access to all of his house or at the bloody least let him know what shes doing up there then maybe they need to re evalaute there relationship. I beet if he claimed the entire basement or a room and for id HER from ever entering it or know what went on it it shed throw a screaming fit

[@weewooweewoo906]

>"we are open about almost everything" >"theres a ton of things she wont fully address"

[@seducedbysasquatch]

Honestly, I think his gf might be a hoarder. Constantly ordering packages from amazon, the smell of linen... she probably installed the cameras out of fear that OP would figure out that she is a hoarder, or out of fear that someone would steal the items she is hoarding. I grew up in a house in which my mother hoarded, and she would refuse to let anyone besides our family in the house. I assume that OP's gf may predominantly hoard clothing. Just my 2 cents

[@jesssuspiria2131]

Good lord this guy is infuriating. Asking what to do, then getting mad when anyone suggests going upstairs. You only have 3 options. Go upstairs on your own, relentlessly force the subject with the wife, or just ignore it. What other help could you possibly get?

[@amyestes6671]

Drone + camera, while he stays on the bottom floor?

[@dellenga]

​@@amyestes6671 genius

[@generalmarkmilleyisbenedic8895]

@@amyestes6671thats equally ridiculous as not being allowed to go up there lmao. Hes still finding out whats going on

[@theplagueboybunny6794]

Cam girl or devastatingly bad shopping addiction we’re my first thoughts - shopping addiction because of the weird cloth smell, could be excessive clothes she has piled around the four rooms. I couldn’t imagine a cam girl would need four rooms as set ups, but it’s a possibility. Super weird story either way!

[@phaeste]

If she is a cam girl she probably doesnt need the 4 rooms but has them so that it is way harder for op to notice her washing clothes or of course hearing noises

[@Gerben0]

My main issue with the shopping addiction, hoarding and murder theories is that they don’t explain where the money is coming from by themselves. She often spends most of the day upstairs and her work is never mentioned, so I’d think she doesn’t have a job. Yet she still makes enough money somehow to buy all those packages on her secret amazon account.

[@ayajade6683]

@@Gerben0 credit card fraud is very likely or even just opening then maxing cards out

[@MakingHellmakeup]

She could have multiple setups in different rooms 🤔

[@isthatbraised]

@@Gerben0 Couod be both honestly, one room for cam stuff and the other rooms for hoarding. Needless to say, if this story was true and not fake, OP really needs to man up. There IS no trust left to break in this situation, he would not be risking anything at all.

[@Dimetropteryx]

By order of what I consider most probable: 1. Camgirl, and not necessarily the vanilla variety. 2. Can't deal with the commitment that comes with a marriage. She's uncomfortable and is trying to fence off a corner of their shared life that's hers alone. 3. Extreme need for safe space due to past trauma.

[@LocalTorchwoodIntern]

4. possible MLM seller (explains multiple packages and the weird old cloth smell?) 5. Shopping Addiction relating to her trauma, also explains multiple packages.

[@BottleOBile]

6. She's Walter White and makes meth

[@animeloveer97]

@@LocalTorchwoodIntern it wouldnt be amazon boxes if it was mlm

[@jumpvelocity3953]

6. she’s psychotic

[@harrydavey9884]

Those should be 2,3 and 4. Most probable is that it's been made up for attention. That's what people on Reddit do. Make up silly stories because they're bored and want attention.

[@RaccoonWithRabies]

"She's very open" ..EXCEPT when approached about literally any topic of conversation, all the stuff she's been hiding or when asked what she does all day. I'm gonna go with "fake" just for the sole reason of every story on Reddit being fake. That, the camming thing and/or some serious undiagnosed mental health issues. (But the former is by far the most likely IMO)

[@AsymmetricalCrimes]

There's been some real ones like the cheating wife who ended up murdering her kids.

[@lollertoaster]

I want to believe this is a true story, especially since what kind of person would create a fake post and then disappear after 5 replies. But it's awfully convenient that out of all the things she accidentally ordered from shared account it was a camera. Not a huge, horse-shaped dildo or costumes if she is a cam-girl, not 20 different shirts if she is hoarding clothes, not some kind of furniture, if she is refurnishing the house. And we have no idea if that was a security camera or a tripod. I feel like the mystery would have been solved if she accidentally ordered anything else, to the point that making a Reddit post asking about it wouldn't make any sense, but out of all the possible things, it was something that keeps the solution ambiguous.

[@hvkoutlaw7326]

The kind of person who doesn’t have a plan as to where they wanna take this story, and knows that realistically any serious development will either ruin the mystery or completely expose them for being fake. It’s much easier to only release a little bit of info where there’s just not enough to go off of to make any serious conclusions, and then disappear leaving people to wonder. If it had been real I would have expected OP to be a lot more receptive to advice they were given, and maybe work on developing a solution that works for them based off of that, instead of just shutting everyone down harshly and leaving it there. Pretty much all of their responses are just them trying to avoid making any progress on the situation by coming up with excuses to avoid simple solutions so they don’t have to progress the story at all.

[@sameman6884]

I think just saying "fake" for every reddit story is kinda boring. Of course there's a large chance that it's fake, but everyone who's been on the internet should already know that.

[@chloskyskies4399]

Idk, this is one of the more plausible ones to me. Ofc it could be fake, but you could say that about most things online. Outside of misinformation or other harmful hoaxes, I don’t think there’s much point in just going“fake.” Especially if you don’t really provide something to back it up. (Not hating, just offering something to think about) Best case: you possibly help someone. If nothing else, you exercised your brain and possibly you help someone who actually runs into a similar situation in the future. (This being about a plausible story I mean. I don’t mean you shouldn’t be critical, you should. If you do come across something that is inconsistent or a red flag- you should point it out and question it)

[@Halfendymion]

"I don't wanna break her trust" MY GUY SHE'S BREAKING YOUR TRUST

[@aylapantswb]

I think (if it's real) it's a little of column B and a little of column C. She's a cam girl using the 4 bedrooms for different scenes, and she also has some deep privacy/control issues stemming from her teen years, which it seems were 10 years prior at most. I think the only reason she agreed to move in with him was because she recognized in him that he could be pushed into going along with her forbidding him from the rooms with her shutdown tactics.

[@isthatbraised]

If that's the case? Why dont they just break it off? Unless she's just using him to pay off the bills, so she doesnt have to worry about that.

[@aylapantswb]

@@isthatbraisedwell... she seems perfectly happy with the situation, and he seems to really, really not want to split up, he just wants her to stop acting weird. I'm not saying it's logical. I, myself, would have been too weirded out to say after the first day.

[@isthatbraised]

@@aylapantswb Yeah but the OP said it's been a couple months now, and tbh, if he isnt going to talk and access it with her, trust me he won't need to worry about breaking it off. It'll just happen naturally. Every problem that this couple with experience later on, can be probably traced back to this (If this is real ofc, and not just fake story or ARG or something)

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

@@isthatbraised i know in some cases where the cause is trauma, guilt is a major factor. i dated a girl who was unable to really be intimate due to trauma, bro i fucking hated myself when i finally decided to end it. but those are just some of the hard decisions of being an adult. you have to have faith that there are better people out there for them

[@dio1627]

i can't fathom how op could just. live his life knowing his gf/wife has a huge secret like that. if my partner refused to let me in a certain part of the house and wouldn't tell me why it would literally nag at me 24/7 like i couldn't be a normal person again until i found out

[@hiimcrazyfordrwho]

To me, it sounds like she's a girl with extreme trauma, especially around privacy. It sounds like someone prevented her from having privacy and so she slingshotted the other way to insist on having privacy in an extreme way. The story I weave from the banned topics is that her father abused her in her teen years. He didn't let her have privacy or her own things. He killed her pet or she was abused at the thought of wanting one. With him out of the picture, the trauma response took over. She wouldn't let her privacy be taken again and so she wanted her space to be hers without judgement or intrusion. She won't talk about some things because they remind her of trauma, or possibly the reaction is a trauma response itself. To me, this best ties the upstairs and the taboo topics than the other theories. And OP didn't share any more because their private life was none of our business.

[@LittleLotteWanders]

I was thinking the same things! Especially about the pet. Just the mention of someone else's pet is such a weird subject to be triggered by, so there's clearly something deeper there.

[@skylarthompson299]

Eh I thought it was CSA. But oof emotional trauma.

[@BoopSnootAndTroubleshoot]

As someone who grew up with traumas and is still dealing with them. This is a good guess, but absolutely not how one should deal with them. It ruins everything more than just keeping this up

[@wolfetteplays8894]

Could be it

[@skylarthompson299]

@@BoopSnootAndTroubleshoot (Not trauma like this but just regular everyday traumas.-

[@catscatsca]

Honestly this reminds me of a friend I had who responded like this to some childhood trauma, not to this extent, but still. Just being able to have absolute control over certain possessions or areas seems like a not totally uncommon response to trauma, and if that is the case, it would probably be healthier for him to talk to her about that, like trying to get her professional help so it doesn't keep spreading to an unhealthy degree. May have started with certain toys or clothes or something, expanding to her bedroom as a teenager then to a whole floor in her new home and maybe it could grow to where she would obsessively need to control every aspect of their relationship and home. Seems most likely to me if this is real.

[@lollertoaster]

And if that's true, going upstairs without her permission would just worsen her condition. The guy is smart for not treating her like a freak and respecting her reality but if he didn't go to therapy with her ASAP after making that Reddit post,. I'm taking that complement back.

[@DeadAlready_1248]

Do more of things like these, I like going to over Reddit user mysteries!!

[@laurenc4138]

I love these! I feel like cue used to do a lot of videos like this back in the day (I feel like I remember watching a couple and falling down the same rabbit holes lol) I agree though it makes me mad this is open ended but I loved the journey lol

[@Thomas_Winters]

Yeesss. Only the real stuff though.

[@Tapirrr]

camgirl with a 24h "house view" and she doesnt allow him up there cause it would break the illusion she has a 24h cam in her home and shes a single girl

[@Dudewheresmyspider]

Fuck this is tough. I've dated former "cam girls" and people with complex PTSD and this story smacks of both especially if the the PTSD is related to the former. One Ex of mine had similar emotional responses to things like that but more in line with possessions and money rather than physical space, but a similar "shut up I'm not talking about it" attitude I've never dated a cam girl who was currently at that time doing it, but for those who had a history of it, they kept it very private, only telling me the bare minimum in the beginning for disclosure and honestys sake, only to open up progressively over time about it once more trust and comfort was built. Either this girl is in a massive breach of trust with her new husband, or, she really needs to see a therapist, not in a patronising way like genuinely needs a professionals help to address these boundary issues

[@Am_I_really_not_really_I_AM]

Why is there a scrollbar underneath your comment?

[@Rightly_Divided]

It is not tough. No trust no relationship. If they are about to spend their life together then she should have nothing to hide.

[@Joybuzzard]

If she's doing something illegal he would be in serious legal risk because he wouldn't be able to prove he doesn't know what's happening in his own house.

[@NunyaNomi]

I don’t think that’s how that works. My grandma let someone live on her property that unbeknownst to her was selling/making/doing drvgs and was busted. Grandma just got a “sorry that happened ma’am” change your locks from the cops. For all they knew she was aware but cannot prove that. You have to be involved in the crime taking place. Child and elder abvse is probably the only ones that have repercussions for staying silent. Another person she let stay there died so grandma stopped helping people lol.

[@falconaltair7953]

I was sitting through most of this video going "cam girl cam girl cam girl" in my head. Possibly with some sexual abuse in her past thrown in there to explain why she's cagey about her dad and pets. But I think Cue's theory about her just having some serious issues when it comes to privacy and liking to have space to herself is the more likely option. I don't think it's healthy at all for u/Howwwwwwwwwww to be out and out banned from not one but four rooms in their own home. I also think it's possible that u/Howwwwwwwwwww was setting up for an ARG but got bored or frustrated with the project and abandoned it. This really feels like too perfect of a set up for an internet mystery to be true. The thing that sticks out to me is the boxes of stuff from amazon. I don't think the normal use of four rooms explains many large amazon packages, even in a new house. I don't think amazon is really the right place to be buying... equipment... for com girling, but I'm also not an expert, and she might also be choosing to order from amazon in order to somewhat disguise what she's buying. I'd love to know more about the size and frequency of said packages, but alas, I'll just have to wonder forever.

[@amandastiles6219]

I totally agree this feels so much like an ARG. It's too bad if it is and he did get bored with it because the story is quite intriguing. It's one I would keep up on I think.

[@ohioanfishman]

I like to look at every other possibility before the ARG, andd honestly it’s probably an ARG

[@rubydarling7564]

I dont think its the privacy thing, because she literally said to him that she doesnt tell him what shes up to up there because she knows it would upset him

[@wolfetteplays8894]

As I said in another comment, The Amazon boxes could be a decoy for either illegal shit or kinky shit

[@isthatbraised]

Amazon is actually surprisingly good place to buy some pretty good equipment. Maybe not tables or chairs, but as long as it fits in the stairway, anything is possible

[@LittleFoxInTheBox]

She was definitely murdering pets in her mid teens and keeping their bodies in her room/closet Jeffrey Dahmer style, that's why she doesn't like those topics. Now she's either keeping a torture or a killing room up there, because pets aren't enough for her anymore. She doesn't want him to get any pets either, because she knows she'll murder it in front of him and she'll have to explain herself. Her dad either left or she killed him for leaving. The girlfriend has probably moved on to a bigger, closer target, since quarantine didn't allow her to kill freely.

[@Cuestar]

this is definitely an interesting theory

[@junkoyaki5486]

she said the cameras were for her mom... im thinking if she had her mom upstairs

[@MassiveSwordAndCards]

@@junkoyaki5486 This is a seriously disturbing theory... imagine her mom is a prisoner up there, and no one even knows. That's some Fritzl dungeon shit.

[@starjumper]

@@MassiveSwordAndCards Lmao I was thinking she mightve pulled an Ed Gein and just left her corpse up there

[@YoshiAndTheTardis]

This is a dumb theory that'd only happen in some bad saturday night crime show.

[@ConejitoPequenito]

I 100% believe in theory 3. I think if the genders were reversed people had an a bit easier time believing this, and OP sounded very authentically like the typical prey of abusers. I've met a mother who felt powerful locking her daughter out of half the house for no reason, so I can see the abuser-angle

[@wolfetteplays8894]

Feeling powerful is a good thing.

[@extremelyhappysimmer]

Idk if it's real. Also the stuff about the smell sounds like setting up a murder story

[@pancakes8670]

Yeah, that part raised my alarms for the story being fake. After all that set up, and then noticing a weird smell. Feels too convenient, and especially since he doesn't even consider the possibility of a murder. It's almost like OP is setting up a story about a guy who's too dumb to notice his GF is an obvious murderer

[@LittleLotteWanders]

Thing is, he addressed that the smell was like cloth, not anything gross. Like when you leave clothes around and they get that musty smell or the smell of brand new clothes that have never been washed. They both have a certain odor.

[@js7934]

That detail and the one about her not liking the topic of animals being brought up. Like what else are we supposed to think? This story is very fishy. I almost wonder if it's something with a basis of truth that the Redditor built on for fun and then just got bored with

[@js7934]

@@LittleLotteWanders but how would you be able to smell that from another floor of the house with all the doors closed upstairs? There is a smell, but that would have to be an extremely strong smell to travel down the stairs

[@emilybarclay8831]

@@js7934 I can smell what’s being cooked in the kitchen from my bedroom very strongly. Some houses just have odd ventilation. My mum once had kimchi for dinner and it smelled so bad in my room I had to spray deodorant

[@sati-mariefrost4131]

I reckon she’s got a kid up there. Probably one that she had before she met him, possibly from abuse (from a family member?) as a teenager. The kid’s old enough to have been brainwashed not to make a sound. Amazon parcels are food, clothing, a few games and toys that don’t make noise. She spends half the day up there because she’s home-schooling and because she wants to spend time with her kid. Cameras are to keep an eye on the kid when she’s downstairs (are they the type that you can watch on your phone?). That, or I’ve spent too long in the social work field. Or read too much Virginia Andrews as a teenager.

[@vee8080]

I personally think that based on her doing the same thing with her previous bedroom that she just has some severe privacy and control issues where she feels she needs to have her own safe space where nobody is allowed but her. Edit: To add to this having thought about it further. I think the fiancée seems to have serious issues with control in general and gets off on the control she has over OP. OP is like a broken record in the replies saying how he "doesn't want to upset her", his fiancée knows she can put this emotional hold over him and literally create a physical barrier that he won't cross because even if OP won't admit it it sounds like he's afraid of her. I think it's the same thing with the topics she won't talk about, it's not necessarily cos she's uncomfortable with those topics as much as it is that she knows she can shut down any conversation with him. She can control what he talks about and even where he goes in there home. She's a huge control freak and OP has such a passive nature that he unintentionally enabled this behaviour and allowed it to get to this point. I still stand by that she also has privacy issues and wants a personal private safe space just for her especially seeing as she did this before with her previous bedroom. But I do think there's some serious control issues at play here. The fact that she decided to ban him from the entire upstairs and not just one room almost seems like she's seeing how big a boundary she can create and how much she can control him.

[@clairebear-96]

Okay i think he probably confronted her about the cam girl thing, it turned out to be true, and their relationship subsequently fell apart so he just abandoned the account…. although I still like my mad spouse locked in the attic theory 😂

[@iamalexwolf]

With the amount of space, being a hoarder seems more accurate. I think she is the type to not want to throw anything away

[@perrysteyn489]

this would be the perfect setup to a shitty r/Twosentencehorror story

[@lilfizz1619]

Reminds me of the one about the silly room

[@jadynmurrell80]

@@lilfizz1619 howd it go

[@lilfizz1619]

@@jadynmurrell80 "I told him not to go into the silly room, but he didn't listen. I guess we won't be hearing from David any time soon."

[@TailsDoll-ot7fq]

This story sounds eerily similar to a creepypasta I read about a guys wife never letting him in the basement Odd smells, her getting defensive One day, he goes down there to reset the braker when his wife wasn't home, and found a laptop He took it upstairs, and it has snuff films of his wife torturing and murdering her former husband and kids

[@InformerMaz]

Sounds familiar, what was it called?

[@harrydavey9884]

Lmfao yeah the thing they have in common is that they're both fictional

[@bluemagician9724]

@@InformerMaz The Dating Game

[@VidGirl88]

My money's on either camming or trauma-induced hoarding.

[@MassiveSwordAndCards]

The fact he never mentions anything about her working or having any sort of profession or hobbies at all makes me lean very HEAVILY toward some kind of NSFW workspace. It seems he has no idea where her money comes from, so my guess is she does something depraved (i.e. illegal or shameful). Maybe she's one of those diaper wearing camgirls, maybe she's running a Very Legit Microsoft Tech Support™️, or maybe she's an artist who makes nasty furry art. The fact she needs four entire rooms is especially concerning. Assuming he works and she doesn't, she could be inviting over a whole ass crew to rail her when he's gone lmao.

[@IDoABitOfTrollin]

"illegal or shameful. Like one of those diaper wearing cam girls" Bro... You really gonna compare that?

[@MassiveSwordAndCards]

@@IDoABitOfTrollin That example is certainly one of those two things lol.

[@javabean4383]

OP sounds the exact same way I did when I was in an abusive relationship - Always trying to defend their partner, not wanting to break their trust when the partner is already burning them and doing their best to not rock the boat and hope things just turn out well. I don't see many of these replies as malicious, I see them as someone who's being faced with the idea that their partner isn't a great person and not allowing themselves to accept it. It's very sad and I hope he got out of that situation.

[@Localbisexual]

Perhaps she has a hoarding issue, and is trying to hide it? It would explain the packages, and the smell of clothes up there

[@alexanderjakubsen2198]

If its a troll (and it very well could be) then its a damn good one. Enough subtlety to at least be plausible. Kept me entertained in this video at least.

[@bekaboo3531]

I don't think this was fake. In his replies, he acts way too defensive kinda makes me feel like he has deep emotional attachment to the situation. If you're in a toxic relationship and people start pointing out cracks sometimes you pretend not to see because if you choose to see then you'll have to change.

[@Yipyipyay]

I'm glad to see someone else understands that

[@Yipyipyay]

When I was in an abusive relationship, e eryone was yelling the red flags at me, but I just couldn't see it. I loved him too much. I can't do any better. He's just having a bad day. Any excuse. Until it finally escalated a LOT and I was able to understand.

[@LittleLotteWanders]

Exactly!

[@TammyTheQueenBee]

This dude did NOT want help. He just wanted to complain. He shot down all of those people's suggestions. He wanted someone to tell him how he could figure out what she's doing up there without him actually doing anything.

[@thecoolaxolotlnova8523]

it kinda seems like shes making all of her problems his problems instead of finding a healthier way to deal with it.

[@PrincessPink433]

I’m not on Reddit but this is interesting. There’s red flags everywhere and the OP even admitted he’s not experienced in relationships and would just “wing it”, but there’s also something called intuition and common sense. My intuition in this case would tell me that I needed to get out of the relationship immediately if my partner wasn’t going to come forward about their secret because they could be doing ANYTHING, even illegal or dangerous activities. I wouldn’t take that risk. I’d always be sleeping with one eye open and I couldn’t live like that. This isn’t how relationships built on “trust” is supposed to be. He’s mentioned “breaking her trust” when it’s clear that neither of them trust each other. Furthermore it seems that the OP isn’t interested in truly seeking help and is just enjoying all the attention his post was getting, otherwise he would’ve sought help outside of the internet. People really need to get off their devices and be in the real world.

[@pixelz330]

then again, common sense can be heavily distorted if you grew up in a toxic environment. ex. op could have had extremely controlling parents growing up, so he considers it "normal" and sees no problem with it since he's used to it

[@Cellybeans]

abuse and gaslighting twists your brain in weird ways. It wears you down incrementally and skews your frame of reference of what's reasonable and it takes getting out of it to be able to really comprehend how fucked up things were. A lot of what he's saying is probably parroting conversations with her and she's convinced him he's the one in the wrong, that he's the problem. The fact he apologized to people for his kneejerk reactions not wanting to hear what needed to be done I think is a sign he was being genuine in needing help, not just farming attention. As a survivor, I recognize the patterns of making excuses and rationalizing away that things are okay when they're not. The OP also said he grew up around meth making so I can't imagine his home life was an example of what a healthy relationship looks like. People assume what they experience growing up is normal, and OP is at an age where he's starting to be exposed to it maybe not being normal after all.

[@yellville]

My first thought when he mentioned that she kept people out of her bedroom as soon as she turned 18 was that maybe her parents or whoever wouldn’t have the legal right to go in there anymore. But in reality, parents who are intrusive will go in either way. So, I think that it really jives with the sex worker idea.

[@animeloveer97]

except they would its their house

[@YuriNikolajavič]

>Goes to Reddit to ask for help/advice >Gets suggestions and asked questions >OP gets defensive

[@chrisk5985]

My first thought was that maybe she pregnant and is redoing a room up there to be a nursery to surprise her boyfriend with it. Would explain the cameras, as they could be baby monitors, and the other packages could be stuff shes using to renovate and decorate the room. Maybe that's too hopeful and innocent of an answer, but idk, sometimes it's fun to entertain less sinister answers.

[@cariyaputta]

Then why she told him that 'I'd rather not have you upset"? I don't think their child would upset him

[@chrisk5985]

@@cariyaputta Hmm good point, I forgot about that. Maybe it's an unplanned pregnancy? Or she wants a baby and he doesn't? That makes things feel less innocent for sure.

[@Em-fz5uh]

It’s a good possibility too, if we want to stay positive. Or maybe she renovating a room for him (to make his little area) but it wouldn’t have stayed hidden for so long and she wouldn’t have talked about it this way, Idk

[@wolfetteplays8894]

The fact she isn't co-sleeping with her child is 100% abuse

[@quertie420]

YES REDDIT MYSTERIES. I would like to see more of this!

[@enoughofyourkoicarp]

This dude saw some shit he wasn't supposed to and is now part of her taxidermy collection.

[@johntaylor7029]

Sounds like she suffered a child or teenage trauma, and her room was her safe area from that, and her floor is now that safe area. If she had a troubled upbringing her having control of her room might have been a huge part of it, so if she never resolved she could designate a whole floor as her space. I could be wrong, but only thing I'd suggest to OP is talk to her, assure her she's safe and can trust OP, there will be no judgement etc he just wants to understand. Bc yeah that's a very specific and unique thing.

[@skogbear]

i think this, plus all the amazon stuff could be for decorating 4 whole rooms, then she spends her time on hobbies and just wants to feel safe/alone. but then she shouldnt have 4 whole rooms. just one (and let him know all this/let him see it). i can see myself doing this, but she's really sus with a whole ass floor and pet thing

[@windyday6850]

It's insane how safe men feel in general so they allow situation like that without reacting to all the red flags. Their survival skills are usually very rusty ig.

[@paulatan420]

10:40 "I am not IN danger, u/Howwwwwwwww, I AM the danger. A guy opens his door and gets shot, and you think that of me? No. I am the one who knocks!"

[@donnavincent2004]

As a homeowner, he is legally responsible for what is going on in his house. He needs to know this. And also, there is something seriously wrong with him.

[@MrBrassporkchop]

My theory, nothing too weird is going on upstairs. Both he and his fiancée are INSANELY socially awkward and on the spectrum. I'm not joking. A brief story. I once worked with a guy. Super fat and weird. He was 45. He was also obviously on the spectrum. He was engaged to a 23 year old. Super weird and gross right? Well...she was fat and weird and on the spectrum as well. It wasn't really weird that they were together because both were super f'ing awkward and strange. After you see them together you're like "oh...okay that makes sense" One day when talking to him we find out he lives with his fiancée and her family. AND her parents refuse to let him sleep in her room. You know what his "room" was? Under the dining room table. He slept under there. It was completely normal to him. Didn't seem weird at all. When we started laughing we saw that he was confused and it was one of those situations where everyone quickly stopped laughing and changed the subject because we all at the same time had the thought "oh crap he doesn't realize that's weird.". When we hear stories on we automatically copy + paste some generic normal well adjusted person as a place holder for them in our minds. Every cheating story involves beautiful people and every story where some guy did something cool the dude in our minds are clean cut and shaved. Maybe it has something to do with how used to seeing these types of people on social media. But the reality is that it's far more likely that these people in these stories are Walmart people that ride Greyhound busses because they never were able to get a drivers license. Why do I say this? Because the "normal" and "beautiful" people I mentioned before have real life people to show off to and real life people to go to with their issues. Most reddit users don't even post. The very fact this dude is going online to ask a question like this is proof that he doesn't have friends and family to lean on for this insane problem. My theory then, he and his girl are very socially awkward. Neither have many friends. Given the "quirks" his girl has she very likely has some level of autism. In addition the fact he grew up around meth and she had a troubled childhood just compounds their issues to socialize. In addition this Howwwww guy doesn't even see him or his girl as weird at all. He sees themselves as completely normal as anyone else. He mentioned the camgirl thing being a possibility but if I were a betting man she isn't the type any dude would pay for that sort of thing. And the clueless sweet guy that OP is doesn't even realize it. So what does she have up there? Likely just normal stuff. Maybe a little weird like a room full of porcelain unicorns. And maybe a room is filled to the brim with trash. Maybe she just keeps buying stuff she doesn't need and is filling the rooms. But nothing like sex work or corpses or stuff like that. For her it's probably her autist safe space of sorts.

[@jeffersonk8619]

Title: what happened to "how"? Actual video: reading the reddit post and the comments

[@angelaengle12]

This story infuriates me, because no normal person would just accept not being able to walk around half of their house just because their spouse says. He is just constantly deflecting and doesn't really want help. He asks for help but then when real solid advice is given he just defaults to "i DoN't WaNt tO bReAk hEr tRuSt", which is a total bullshit and weak ass excuse. This guy needs to be renamed "Door Mat". This also isn't asked, where does he sleep? Do they have their bed room downstairs and just empty rooms upstairs? Is there a bathroom down stairs too?

[@emilybarclay8831]

Hey look guys someone who has no idea about domestic abuse

[@KerriB]

As someone who highly values alone time and considers my room a safe space, expecting a partner not to have access to rooms in OUR house is absolutely ridiculous and they need couples therapy.

[@vedantdinkar9682]

Seems weird & fake. What kind of person buys a house for two, with 5+ rooms; 4 upstairs, and more downstairs?

[@Afish8me2china]

The funniest part is him getting absolutely ratio’d in the comments

[@DeWah]

"Break her trust" How has she not already broken his trust by not allowing him access to his own house, by not allowing him the knowledge of whats going on upstairs?

[@Dilligara]

Taking pictures of her dead mother that she dresses up with cloths she is buying on amazon? "Mommy, you are a good dolly. It's ok that you never bought me a doll when I was a kid mommy. I forgive you now."

[@TheJestersDoor]

Definitely a half baked arg of some sort. If you're married to someone and having these issues, why not talk to her parents or friends about this?

[@emilybarclay8831]

She isn’t close to nor appears to have a relationship with her parents and it’s very likely she doesn’t have friends either

[@phoenixashes0013]

Weird. I initially thought maybe she’s a shopaholic/hoarder or something and is hiding it bc of past trauma or embarrassment. But what a mess regardless

[@pierrotlehonque5084]

honestly my theory was that the wife was an extreme shopaholic and was trying to hide it, but that wouldn't make sense unless she has a separate bank account

[@cariyaputta]

Maybe the 1st room is for drug cooking. 2nd is for camgirling. 3rd is for getting railed while him out for work. And 4th is for pet murdering.

[@JaggerSWright]

The OP is such a pushover and would rather get upset with some randoms online than charge into that place.

[@Yipyipyay]

So another person who doesn't understand abuse.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

@@Yipyipyay exactly

[@JustClaribel]

I’ve cleaned houses of sex workers, and they usually have several empty rooms in their house with a camera set up, set, and costume in each room

[@Moxypony]

Dude doesn't want to break the trust with his wife, but somehow fails to comprehend how thoroughly she shattered that trust with this situation in the first place..

[@pabriela]

imo it might be one of those things; >cam girl >embarrassing kink sex room >something related to drugs other idea that is way less possible but popped into my mind is that someone lives up there with her

[@sunnyandthechlo]

I was thinking she had someone else living up there, especially about the laundry-ish smell. Like how other people's homes just have that certain smell. And the amazon account she's using is that person's, buying things they need. I even thought she could have had a kid in her teens, but I really doubt a kid could stay that quiet. And before the cam girl thing was mentioned I thought of that too. The money she doesn't want to talk about could be coming from that job, maybe she started it in her teens, also leading to that topic being closed off. Not sure why she needs 4 rooms for that though. And third, she has some sort of trauma leading her to feel like she needs a safe space. In that case, she definitely needs to talk to a therapist because it spread to the whole upstairs instead of just 1 room, and she defends it instead of just telling him she'd rather have 1 space to be alone if she needs it.

[@extensioncordgaming8266]

For the first part of the video my assumption was meth to be honest.

[@saram3449]

I know simply breaking up especially after just having gotten married isn’t a great solution for most people but holy shit….if my partner acted like this my feelings toward them would INSTANTLY change - at that point they don’t respect you and are completely secretive and controlling

[@rwaggs81]

Yep. Exactly. Instant deal killer. Pulling out of this house sale before the 3 day rescind period, losing the earnest money and going on my way.

[@pmmmAMV]

Honestly I'm not convinced the photos he saw of her room were even her room at this point.

[@erin9377]

Based on what OP said, I think it's possible his wife might be a victim of some abuse or unaddressed trauma. She has sensitive topics she completely refuses to talk about which relate to childhood or family such as her experiences during her mid-teens, pets, and money. She also has a bad relationship with both her parents. The fact that she refused to let anyone enter her room from the age of 18 leads me to believe that enforcing an absolute safe space where nobody else is allowed, not even close loved ones, could be a coping mechanism or trauma response. Since moving into a new home with OP, the upstairs floor of their house might serve as the new safe space. As for the Amazon purchases, that could be totally benign - maybe they're just normal things and opening a second account is an extension of her desire for privacy. It's hard to tell exactly what it could be since we hear very little from OP about what his wife is actually like outside her issues. It's possible she's doing something she wasn't want OP to know about, whether it's camgirling or hoarding or something else. I definitely doubt it's drugs though. In regards to the idea of just marching upstairs and seeing what's going on, I agree with OP in that it will only make things worse. It won't snap her out of it, it'll just make things worse. But OP does take a very passive attitude towards this when she's being absolutely unreasonable and treating him poorly. He seems very out of his depth and refusing to assert himself out of fear about her reaction, which is a very toxic relationship dynamic.

[@MalkuthSephira]

theory: OP actually IS the girlfriend. she went on reddit thinking she could somehow drum up support against her boyfriend who selfishly wants to enter the top floor of their house, where she does all her camgirl stuff. the reason i think OP is actually her is the weird "she's a full person even with her flaws" thing, which struck me as deeply strange phrasing for anyone in OP's position. it's not something a partner would say! the partner would be like "well she's flawed but i do love her". that sentence to me REEKS of her using her own bizarre, insane justification that doesn't really fit the scenario. at the end, someone finally pegs that the biggest thing she's currently hiding from her husband is camgirling, she admits that's plausible, and then vanishes forever. it's also just possible that he really is this dumb and beaten down and he confronted her at the end about the camgirl thing and that was correct and he just never came back. but that one line, and the way he keeps coming back to the same statement of "not wanting to start out the marriage breaking her trust". like... either he's secretly her, or he's repeating the insane shit she keeps saying to justify her weird abuse. either way, i do not buy for a second that either of those key sentences are something the husband generated on his own. *edit: also the smell of clean fresh cloth is definitely coming from Febreze air freshener. they literally have this smell, i've used it. she's constantly febreezing everything because her camgirl job... uh... generates its own... workplace biohazards **edit again: i also think another person's theory that she's in an MLM and is hiding it from him is possible, but i'm still mostly on the camgirl train, and i still suspect that either way, she's the actual author of the post and all the hostility to commenters is coming from her being upset that the internet didn't validate her craziness the way the people around her who's she's battered into submission have all gotten used to doing. then, a commenter finally pins that she's hiding the camgirl thing, she gives that person a Reasonable Sounding Reply to discourage thinking about this further, and vanishes from reddit forever

[@chloecalvincooper9467]

My theory is that he was trying to troll but didn't have his story sorted all the way before hand so when people started asking questions he didn't have consistent awnsers to he got frustrated and realized it would be more work than he was anticipating so he abandoned it.

[@NunyaNomi]

100% same. Homie didn’t have the chops to see it through like a good shït poster does and fizzled out.

[@AshtaAJ]

I think what seems to be the obvious elephant in the room (or rather, in the entire upstairs) is that u/How is a victim of emotional domestic abuse by a controlling partner who suffers from her own trauma. Kelsey’s triggers not only demonstrate her likely history of being a victim of abuse but also illustrate her willingness to manipulate u/How into feeding into her own trauma. Based on u/How’s lack of discussion regarding reaching out to friends or family around him about this issue, he has likely been completely isolated by his abuser over the past 4 years. His mistaken mindset that they “have an extremely close and open relationship,” while not being able to recognize how severely one-sided the “sharing” of their personal history is, indicates the typical “brainwashing” from which victims of spousal or domestic abuse typically suffer. Additionally, the mere idea of intruding upon their shared space -or more accurately, the mere idea of disobeying Kelsey- causes u/How to lash out angrily as a defense mechanism to justify his passiveness to himself. Sure, the mystery of what is being hidden is fun to ponder. But it’s no mystery how severely isolated, manipulated, and abused u/How truly is.

[@RDR2Jammy1337]

He keeps saying he 'just wants help' but then shuts out people offering actual and good solutions.

[@HandsomeLongshanks]

He should have claimed the downstairs for himself and barred her from leaving the upstairs. Fight fire with fire.

[@Itosalix]

When you start seeing a security guard at the stairs, that's a red flag. "Sorry, you're not on the list."

[@sunbowrainflower]

The fiancée/wife found out and banned him from Reddit, too

[@arc00ta]

If my money is involved I'm kicking some doors in. Then again, this is obviously a reddit weirdo who enjoys being a doormat, so maybe he gets off on the suspicion. Nobody got an update in 2 years?

[@Yipyipyay]

Tell me you don't understand abuse without telling me.

[@chipcrit3673]

@@Yipyipyay I mean obviously if it's real it's abuse. But also when like hundreds of people are saying the same thing like wouldn't they dormat that instead of just getting mad each time? Idk clearly abuse but this is a special case

[@arc00ta]

@@chipcrit3673 Yeah I don't see any abuse here, just a guy thats likely a heavy-duty simp and does what hes told. I mean, privacy is one thing but if my name is on a house and you're telling me I can't go to an entire floor? Oh hell no. I agree with the comments on his thread, she is probably a cam girl and doesn't want him to know. In my books that a reason to call off a marriage because if you're doing that behind my back theres no telling what else you might do. Why not just be upfront about it and let your partner know? EDIT: I'm not saying theres anything wrong with being a cam girl. I'm saying its wrong to try and do it secretly living in a house with someone you're supposed to have mutual trust with for the rest of your life.

[@Yipyipyay]

@@arc00ta hun, abuse does things to you. You don't see the issues and you just let things happen because you're used to being hit or verbally abused when you do something "wrong". Like I said. You don't understand abuse.

[@Yipyipyay]

@@chipcrit3673 abuse does things to you. You don't see the issues and you just let things happen because you're used to being hit or verbally abused when you do something "wrong".

[@asherael]

it sounds like she had some childhood abuse that made her extremely private to the point of pathology or she's doing some kind of sex stuff that she considers even more private than cam girl stuff, likely something related to engaging with how she was hurt, that she just can't let this guy in on. Just given the insane ways I've seen people fetishize the worst kinds of abuse in online RP communities, she could be doing all kinds of stuff up there with someone online, by herself, i don't know i do know this one had me absolutely terrified. No other video like this left me with such a horrible pit in my stomach....

[@chezmix64]

Something worth noting is the fact that the story he tells about jer old bedroom sort of feels like its implying that she was still living with her parents up until they got a house. Meaning, if shes had this deep rooted trauma about keeping a space to herself and having her privacy but has never had a chance to live on her own she may be taking advantage of the fact that this is technically half HER house to finally feel a sense of independence. Of course, this still is a very maladaptive thing and she needs to learn that she has to let people in if she wants to have a healthy relationship, but i think it makes the story seem a bit more legit

[@MichaelHollandCollins]

I did some investigating on a possible novel written about a woman who forbids her husband to go upstairs. I asked ChatGPT and it said a book written in 2021 by someone named J.E. o’Connor called “the House on the Cliff” was a psychological thriller about a wife’s mysterious restrictions on her husband. I could find NO RECORD of this author or this particular book, aside for other books with the same title, written long ago. I do think it’s possible that this was an author writing a novel during Covid and wanted to use the hive mind for ideas.

[@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg]

This also took place after 21 and ChatGPT is not a valid source

[@MichaelHollandCollins]

@@SubtotalStar850-uh8pgno, it took place in April 2020. Read the description. Also ChatGPT is just as good a source as any Google Search. It uses all that information that is readily available online. It’s similar to the AI that pops up when you do a google search.

[@MichaelHollandCollins]

@@SubtotalStar850-uh8pgno it took place in April 2020.

[@Elysian40772]

I wish someone would tell me I cant go onto an entire floor of a home that I'm paying for and have signed the deed to, no way.

[@gunkbuggie]

This guy is annoyong tf out of me ngl. "I have no idea what shes doing." **disregards everything everyone says**

[@Jordan_Giese]

He says "I don't want to start the relationship off on the wrong foot" as she bars him off from half the house. If this post is real, this has to be the most clueless man alive