Cultish: Engaging the New Age

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[@SolaScriptura-n-cats]

This was a fascinating podcast and I’ve purchased Steven’s book. I was a practicing Pagan (witch) for 30 years. I’ve placed myself into circumstances and had many paranormal/supernatural experiences. There’s no doubt they are real. There’s also no doubt that Jesus is the only Way and my life belongs to Him. Thank you, guys.

[@BobbyRobinsPro]

I was lost in the New Age and the Lord Jesus saved me from the deception in 2016. Praise the Lord!

[@HollyJordan15]

BobbyRobinsPro Praise God. Me also, I was saved in 2017

[@BobbyRobinsPro]

@@HollyJordan15 Praise the Lord! His mercy and grace just amazing me! After coming out of the new age, this verse rings so true to me and has been such a helper..Ephesians 6:10-20

[@BobbyRobinsPro]

@@1john4six Hi, I think I follow you. Is it your stance that I must say the actual words, Son of God, when I refer to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? I'm curious how you would handle this verse? Romans 10:9-10 King James Version (KJV) 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. It doesn't say anything about the need to say Son of God. Anyway, as for me, yes, I believe that Jesus Christ is the the only begotten Son of God. And he saved me. He died on the cross for me, in my place and took the wrath of God that I deserve. And he rose from the dead three days later, that's who my savior is, the SON OF GOD, Jesus Christ. Someday in the near future, I believe that some professing Christians will demand to see MRIs and EKGs of peoples' hearts to see if they have been regenerated or not (half joking). Please clarify if I'm not understanding what you are saying. Is that your belief, that we must confess Jesus as the Son of God, or else we are professing a different Jesus. Like if I say: Jesus the Lord and Savior, are you saying that is someone else than the Son of God. Man, I don't know about what you are doing, but I'll watch a video or two of yours and see what you are all about.

[@tylerporter2171]

BobbyRobinsPro same here ✝️🙌🏻Praise Jesus 🙌🏻✝️

[@tylerporter2171]

1john4six whaaaat??? You are Confused 🤷🏼‍♂️ how did you come to that conclusion? I know that Mormonism is a cult of confusion and deception ran by deceitful men, workers of iniquity, deceiving Many , proclaiming a false Christ, a false gospel and Joseph Smith is a false prophet! At the cross ✝️ all my debt was paid all my sins are washed away ✝️ at the cross✝️ ✝️ he gave his life✝️ All praise to the king for his grace and mercy I have been redeemed His Holy BLOOD washes away our sins 🙌🏻✝️🙌🏻 🙏🏻God had the final Word 🙏🏻 👉🏻IT IS FINISHED!!!👈🏻 🙌🏻HALLELUJAH 🙌🏻 🙌🏻✝️🙌🏻GOD BE PRAISED🙌🏻✝️🙌🏻 10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isaiah 43:10

[@StevenBancarz]

Love you guys ❤️

[@travwayne4813]

God bless in Jesus name brother Steven!

[@ivelicecamilo2055]

❤️😇 so grateful to have come across your testimony , I saw your video 3 days right after I was called out of the new age abd your Fb RFJ page has helped me so much . God bless you

[@mrtheroan]

Hi Steven, I came from a non-Christian household. When I was 17 I did magic mushrooms. Which was an experience that took me out of atheism and lead me to Christ. I didn't meet any beings but I was confronted by own sin and the hurt I caused in the world and I was overwhelmed by the love of God and that I could have a new start. How do I make sense of that? Am I just lucky?

[@mc8627]

theroan That’s really interesting.... Whenever people tell me about their magic mushroom experience they don’t mention God at all. Well, not the God of the bible anyway.

[@mc8627]

Steven Bancarz I didn’t even realise you wrote this book. I just bought it and am looking forward to going through it. I am constantly confronted with people who spew all of this new age stuff, without even identifying as new age. Mushrooms, DMT and all of these things come up all the time. It is interesting how they always work so hard to make sense of life and the universe without Christ. They go out of their way to deny him 100% of the time. Again. I look forward to reading your book and hopefully understanding how to approach them about the evilness of this stuff.

[@landofplentyfarmstead4813]

After seeing Stephens testimony, I was totally convicted and burned my shamanistic items and books after which I renewed my love for Christ and the kingdom. Thanks Stephen.

[@Concetta20]

Praise the Lord!

[@saraho5846]

Amen

[@friendlyfire7509]

This is the way. Way to go

[@poppyozark]

I am so happy to hear him expose the hyper charismatic church around the 17:00 + minute mark. Many are deceived by their feelings and they have come to worship a spiritual experience instead of Jesus Christ

[@User_Happy35]

But how do you define what is hyper charismatic? What are the indicators?

[@bettyglitter4760]

& therefore not actually saved 😔

[@bettyglitter4760]

@@User_Happy35 Read up on the New Apostolic Reformation, you should find the answers.

[@MrSoundofmusic]

@@bettyglitter4760 Yeah, NRA and Latter Rain Movement.

[@DrAmber2004]

@@MrSoundofmusic I would love to know which churches?

[@sbryan060]

I am really thankful and excited about these episodes. I have been listening to Jeff and Steven for a long time now and I am thankful to see the unity here despite some minor (non-essential) differences but I am especially thankful to know that you guys will be covering the Bethel Redding movement. Back up a few years ago and following a viewing of "Finger of God" on Netflix, I was amazed to see what I THOUGHT was from God. You see I was brought up Baptist and that stuff was pretty fringe for us Texas Baptists, so I was really excited to see all of the healing and "signs and wonders" - or so I thought. It was around that time that I was visiting a local Pentecostal Bible study of seemingly sincere and passionate believers when something I'll never forget happened. One of the women who had recently been to a Heidi Baker mission trip was going through all of these visions and dreams that she had been having. She said that she saw Jesus in the flesh and that he was "so interested in us". She said that he would walk and talk to her daily and that she could see him as clearly as she sees the people in the room. She said he would often just stand next to her and be so curious and interested to see what she was up to - she said he'd ask her "Whatcha doin?" like lovers might say to one another. She also gave other accounts of angels and "Fire Tunnels" (which I found out later in a Photography Documentary on Netflix called "Tales by Light" that Fire Tunnels are used to this day in Pagan ceremonies) and healings, etc... It was all very convincing and fringe to say the least. This went on for a while and then another woman began to say "someone in this room has a spirit of perfection and God doesn't want you to have that." Well, I've been told that I take the Word of God too seriously and that I need to be more relaxed, to "let the Spirit guide" me. I wanted to be humble before the Lord and not reject what he says so I began to feel my emotions rise up as my skepticism diminished. Slowly my hands began to shake and it was about that time that I felt a spiritual entity touch my hand! Embarrassingly and involuntarily I screamed out "NO" and threw my study paper on the floor. Everyone just looked at me like I was crazy, then I began to weep uncontrollably (it was very embarrassing and very un-characteristic of me). Shortly after my sobbing they asked me if they could pray for me and everyone gathered around me and laid hands on me for prayer. I left there feeling pretty good, but also still a bit skeptical and confused because it was such a strange experience and nothing that happened seemed to line up with the Word - which also concerned me. Over the next few days my wife and I played back what had happened and we began to recall how the lady that was with Heidi had us participate in this strange game where we thought of an animal and then she prophesied over each person based on the animal that popped into their head. We also participated in some weird cold calls but they didn't call it that, they seemed to think it was the 'Holy Spirit' that was bringing things into our minds. There were also lots of strange things in the room such as dream-catchers and stuffed animals everywhere. Looking back I can't believe I was so naive but to be completely honest with you, I didn't buy into anything until the end where the "incident" happened. Guys, listen, spiritual experiences are so difficult to get over and to see objectively, but thanks to God's grace I wasn't going to take any chances, so I started digging and testing everything that happened with the Word. It was then that I also began to dig heavily into the principals and theological positions of people like Bill Johnson, Heidi Baker and the like. It did not take me long to find all kinds of red flags. So after months of study I began warning my friends and family. This movement has literally permeated the church around me here in Northeast Texas. Unbeknownst to me at the time, even some of my own family members were defending the "grave soaking" thing - and these weren't Pentecostals. Heck even the First Baptist church here has began to take notice and buy in! I share all of this to say - God's people need this guys, and we need it often. We (the Church) need discernment when it comes to the New Age because the lines get blurry when it comes to spiritual experiences so we need leaders like you guys who are sincere about teaching others to be careful and "test everything" BEFORE IT HAPPENS, just as God has clearly warned us to do.

[@AnneMaryMek]

Well said!

[@trumpetsounds8715]

Thank you for spending the time to share your experience! So many believers I know are falling into this word of faith movement and I think I would be too if it weren’t for all the research I had been doing on what my kids where following. The secret and the law of attraction is no different than the word of faith, contemplative prayer ect. It’s just in a different package. God help your people have discernment. Help us be bold and point out the dangers of these lies. Bless and cover these servants, in the name of Jesus.

[@sbryan060]

@@trumpetsounds8715 amen!

[@jenluvzya]

Oh my gosh, I went to a Todd white conference when I first became a Christian... they had the “holy spirit fire tunnel”. I saw many people there fall to their knees, laughing maniacally, and when I went through I fell to the floor too, albeit no laughing. The whole experience was really weird... my spirit didn’t sit well. It wasn’t until another seasoned Christian told me to stay stay away from those pastors. That it was heresy. I repented shortly after. The Lord Jesus has given me better discernment and I am no longer chasing after the supernatural, just God’s Word.

[@cat-bg3rv]

@@jenluvzya Wow, I did not know who Todd White was until this year 2020 but I am familiar with word of faith and prosperity movement churches and televangelists. Some are more extreme than others. I am just learning about all this during the pandemic stay-at-home orders and came across Steve Bancarz, Doreen Virtue, Melissa Dougherty & certainty not least, Justin Peters! God sent you a good friend to influence and direct you in the truth of God's word. Blessings! 🙏

[@ivelicecamilo2055]

Thank you ! Thank you for having these discussions, Pastor Durbin and Steven and the young man that I don’t know your name . I was also raised in a Christian home , but fell into the new age for about 3 yrs for the same reason I had super natural experiences that the Christian body Wouldn’t address and so the carrot for me also was they had a knowledge and I also experienced supernatural experiences another dimensions by meditating during a meditation the Holy Spirit chastise me and spoke to me strongly and the Lord called me out. Praise God . This is a very important topic and I’m so grateful and appreciative that God is using you as his vessels to expose the New Age and clarify to Christians how it has And pretrade to the church with these new charismatic churches. And I’m so happy to hear Stephen say that he himself recognize the false doctrines and these manifestations that mimic the Holy Spirit. God bless you brothers

[@regondi]

I’m always so impressed by Steven’s knowledge of scripture and ability to recall it. God bless!!

[@iablanet]

Thank you Apologia Studios for bringing content that isn't available anywhere else. God bless!

[@chibi4069]

I went into the new age searching for truth, and ultimately it was the true truth that pulled me out. After I came out I couldn’t believe the influences that esoteric knowledge and the mystic teachings permeated our culture! Wow God bless you all for the work that you do. I was also very excited when steven was saved what a great thing you are doing steven God bless you all in Jesus might name! May God be glorified and may the truth be revealed to those who will listen

[@DawnHub666]

which truth pulled u out ?

[@Val-fl3eg]

Thank you for thisss! It was so hard to come out of the new age after I too had experiences that I linked with the Holy Spirit. People just told me they were my emotions and that argument never truly settled and I battled coming out of it. I remember crying out to God in fear of being his enemy! Thank the Lord for his WORD! His Word is all that I needed! Scary to look bad now and think of the kind of spirits I was welcoming. Praise the Lord for his mercy and sovereignty over his elect !

[@dfourquet]

Very informative interview. I've dabbled in New Age thought, and it's a slippery slope to darkness. We should only turn to Jesus Christ for our guidance and protection.

[@cherylsmith233]

God bless all of you, and your unique perspectives and ministries. I was wiccan for decades, was very well versed in Tarot, dream divination, "white magic/spells" candles mainly, but as the entities/demons gained more and more access to my various homes/area's in my life, things, of course, got way dark. I actually "got so good" at all these practices, including all the occult practices you guys, and Steven in particular, discuss. Many obe. Met my archtype, premonitions...everything you can imagine. My daddy was a free mason, my mom practiced some minor witchcraft, there was a big demon in our house who repeatedly attacked me in a very specific way, not sexual, but more intimately than I've ever encountered again in my own experience, or heard about. Anyway, Jesus came to me, and discipled me, and I am 100% out of all of it. I really want to help people too, but Idk how to use what I've been given yet haha! But it's excellent to hear people, intelligent, rational people who believe, and who know, and I'm beyond thankful for these discussions. Thank you.

[@thorn9351]

God is in the darkness. Jesus, being theologically God, picked up his cross and went out into the darkness, outside the city gates of Jerusalem, and screamed out, "my god, my god, why have you forsaken me?" He asked those who follow him to pick up their cross and go out into the darkness.

[@busybody1474]

@@thorn9351 were you there ? No, you weren't you damn fool

[@brandonburrell8517]

@@busybody1474 We all were there. He died on the cross for our sins, and rose again from the dead three days later by the power of the Holy Ghost, for our justification before the throne of God our Father.

[@busybody1474]

@@brandonburrell8517.. do you hear yourself? None of us were there, Jesus was there taking our punishment but no, Brandon wasn't there two thousand years ago. I know my savior well, Jesus invites us to walk in the light, not go out into the darkness... don't ask me to be okay with blasphemy, the scriptures reveal the truth so we don't need Thorns version or yours

[@AlexanderosD]

Man, Steven Bancarz really resonates with me, I have a similar past in dealing with the New Age mindset. It's fantastic to see him really standing strong with the banner of Christ. Love ya brothers! Keep doing what you're doing.

[@elizabethwillard989]

I only started listening to your shows late last year. By now I've listened to about 20, clearly addicted. Love what you do! I must say, this one shook me. I actually had trouble falling asleep. When Steven mentioned that he would read this book until he felt a shift in his spirit to put it down....I was feeling a shift in my spirit hearing it. 😅 I prayed for a long time before I was finally able to fall asleep. Also, when you mentioned the family who had an unsettling spirit in their house and they had a dream catcher....I bought my 6yo daughter one and hung it in her window for decoration. But I was so struck while listening, I went to her room and took it down. Love your shows! I am now listening to them daily. I have a lot of catching up to do.

[@johndaniels404]

Thank you for the show. This is great material. I've also had a run-in with a spirit imitating the Holy Spirit when interacting with a cult. At least in my experience as a Christian I could hear the still quiet voice of God at the same time telling me that I knew what the truth was. That REALLY made the false spirit mad and it tried to force me to believe. To my shame I let it overpower me (there was a girl involved and I really wanted to believe that certain things were true) but God didn't abandon me. He allowed me to practice free will even though it was destructive free will, but He was there waiting when I came to my senses and helped me rid myself of the false spirit 2 years later. One awe inspiring thing about the whole experience was as the false spirit kept forcing itself on my more and more to overpower me, the still quiet Voice never changed a bit and was infinitely stronger. There was zero way that the spirit could out shout it or remove it. The only way was when I made a bad decision myself.

[@laurenwinston2837]

God has opened my eyes, I had a feeling something wasn’t right but I was holding on to the teachings. I’m happy to hear these things and see other ppl that have gone through what I have also!

[@systemrevolt7309]

Great Job guys, I’ve listened to this twice in the podcast. Now I’m going to watch the videos. Steven is a blessed brother.

[@disaj7460]

Thanks so much for this vid, brothers! It's so eternally vital; many ppl, including Christians, are deceived. May your work, your ministry be eternally fruitful!

[@valeriehorner5854]

I was in the New Age/Occult in the late 70's & early 80's. After reading Dr Martin's "The Kingdom of the Cults" chapter on Theosophy, I realized that either the New Age movement was true or Christianity was true, but that they were NOT teaching the same thing (which is what the New Age movement claims). Constance Cumby's "Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow" also clarified so much for me but mostly immersing myself in the Bible and the church. Bless you Steven and thank you, Apologia. It is strange for me to see how the things I was into when young were very fringe. Now being a Bible believing Christian is on the fringe.

[@cameahwear3247]

Wow its about time Christian do their community a service by talking about these realities and correct the record of where these experiences come from so good Christian can be informed and people falling from the church can understand the dangers and feel understood within the church. Great work you guys.

[@moonman5543]

Probably the most relevant topic to soulwinning among millenials and younger generations. New age is pervasive among them

[@billbradleymusic]

No, it's not.

[@billbradleymusic]

I have a 20 and 24 year old. Male and female. Tell me I'm wrong.

[@billbradleymusic]

Not only not prevalent but not practiced by many. Humans figure it out. And... adults are the ones perpetrating these ideas toward the public in general. As many as they can gather.

[@hisnameisiam808]

@@billbradleymusic interesting.

[@busybody1474]

@@billbradleymusic you have two kids so you're an expert on anything ?? You sound like a damn fool

[@believethegospel9788]

Wow, always impressed when Steven exposes the unfruitful works of darkness. I am blown away by the statistics he quoted on the number of Orthodox Christians in the US. This makes me believe that John 16:2 is closer than I thought. Its fascinating to witness the level of occultism spewing out of hollywood on a daily basis, while the person next to me is oblivious. What breaks my heart is the lack of discernment of the lukewarm Christians I know and try to discern. For instance I had one "Christian" friend comment on FB, " what a great man, the founder of Burning man, (who's name I don't know) was and that she hope's he rests in peace after he passed away". I tried to explain that (burning man) was nothing more than a massive pagan ritual steeped in occultism. I assured her that unless he gave glory to Christ, was a born again, sanctified and justified that he was most definitely not resting in peace. Another example of blind so-called "Christians" I have came across, now get this, this guy is a Christian youth camp directer, when I asked him how he felt about the CIA finally admitting and taking responsibility for the tons of cocaine they brought into the US, his response was, and I can't make this up, "WELL MAYBE THEY HAD A GOOD REASON FOR IT". With "Christian leaders" like this, no wonder a majority of our youth is turning to new age.

[@MaryanneBrunetti]

I was in the new age for many years. I was also a fully certified student of Doreen Virtue. Thankfully, I followed her exit from na and conversion to Christianity. This conversation is extremely important, not only for those still ensnared by the trappings of na, but also Christians who are under the illusion that they will inherit Heaven by their good works.

[@MaryanneBrunetti]

@WillBeDone Coach Thankyou :) Yes I would not trade for one second... not to say that It's a bed of roses ~ it's a process for sure in this broken world but #JesusISTheONLYLoveAndLight God Bless you!

[@lunamaharuni]

Yes! I was very angry when Doreen Virtue renounced her new age beliefs and path.. But it was finding out WHY she left that brought me to truth and Jesus Christ!

[@cat-bg3rv]

May I ask what made you a fully certified student under Doreen Virtue? I am just curious and am a Christian that is learning about New Age and how it crept into the church. I did not know any better until this year 2020. I did not know who Doreen Virtue was until earlier this year and just loved her testimony. Are you seeing that many new age people have come to know Jesus by both your and Doreen's testimony? So happy for you! 🙏

[@MaryanneBrunetti]

@@cat-bg3rv 👋 :) Doreen held classes and provided certification for her students. The classes were expensive and extremely popular and were marketed as a means to self-employment. I never 'made it' much to my chagrin and disappointment. It was suggested to me that my Christian brother's prayers had protected me. Though I had some evil stuff happen to me while I attended those workshops. I couldn't understand what or why at the time but must have been satanic. But as there's no such entity in na I didn't know what to do with the experience. I thought that I had failed at being spiritual at some level. Just more na satanic deception. Like how could someone who went to Angel Intuitive be evil? That was before I learned of lucifer being an angel of light. Doreen taught us that evil could not appear as love but we both know differently now of course. Like I said I had no context for the evil I encountered so I tried to focus on 'love and light.' Hope this makes sense :) I know Doreen has helped many others find the truth in Jesus Christ.

[@cat-bg3rv]

@Maryanne Brunnetti Thank you for your reply. This actually helps me understand where people are coming from in this na so called light but are truly deceived. I was in some of the word of faith and prosperity teachings. So grateful these things are being brought into the light of the truth of the gospel. God bless you, Jesus is our Saviour! 🙏☺👍

[@AnonMedic]

I live in Berkeley California, and this place is nothing but an occult ran, pagan city. I've studied on spirit science. After being saved the Lord opened my eyes to how the enemy operates. I know exactly what is being said on this video, is so true. I've had out of Body experiences surfing large waves, when I was in a constant state of prayer to Jesus. Left my body and saw the Galaxy pass behind me in the blink of an eye. Saw the light, and felt the holy spirit. Then he said "you haven't done my will on Earth" and went back Just as fast, to 60 feet under the Pacific ocean, where I was able to anchor to the sand and get out of the rip current. Went into study and prayers about that word from the Lord. At the time I was living for adrenaline, money, and self. Living like a devil but called myself Christian. I was a baby. But thankfully he who started a good work will finish it... I started living for others, and found true spiritual freedom helping those on the street in the ghetto of northern California. Sharing Jesus's love, and gospel. I have to thank apologetical ministries for teaching me so much to defend the truth against some of the "smartest" atheists around UC Berkeley... But ultimately all Thanks and glory to our father and king Jesus.

[@kupferlilie2653]

inutemen... Listen to Derek Prince.He helpt me a lot- ...!

[@cat-bg3rv]

Alistair Begg is a very good Bible teacher.

[@AlexisLeffew]

Ahhhh, I love that you guys are doing this! Expose them all!! The world needs to hear the truth, amen!

[@angusstewart6791]

I was 3rd generation JW, and so led astray. Thank you for your ministry! God bless you all!

[@tonybhoy1881]

I’ve been hoping for a while now you’d have Steven on 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@JenniferJayneJ]

Tony Little in case you weren’t already aware, Steven was on Apologia Radio once before. Such an awesome video. Please watch, if you haven’t yet. ❤️ God bless you!

[@tonybhoy1881]

Jennifer McElfresh Thank you Jennifer. I’ll definitely have a look. God bless you too. ❤️

[@bettycarmella1127]

Thank you guys for this! Love brother Steven's work❤ I was a yoga teacher for over 15 years, and work as a Massage Therapist. This field is full of landmines. So appreciate how you shine light into the darkness- ❤

[@Amy_Vieira]

I used to live on the north shore of Kauai for about 20 years, and I know the hare krsna lady, and even talked to her about Jesus- at the time I think I must have truly believed what she said, and I also remember the visiting Buddhist monks. I practiced yoga regularly, but was always praying to know Lord Jesus with all my heart. That said, it wasn't until after I left, about 5 years ago, that the cloud of New Age started to dissolve, and the Bible became real to me. I'm watching this podcast, praying now, because I realize I still have a lot of the underlying new age junk in my head, and I think I sort of use it as a crutch that keeps me away from being closer to Jesus. Have been watching all the episode with Steven Bankarz (spelling! Sorry!) Thank you!

[@Saint_2487]

Thank you for your ministry. I’ve been blessed so far and I appreciate your willingness to talk about these topics. Dr. Walter Martin’s ministry has also been foundational in my Christian walk for many years. Thank you for having Steven on the show as well.

[@catbee1452]

EXCELLENT book!!! Talk about an eye opener...every Christian needs to read it!

[@callingallhandsondeck]

Good job, having Steven on. He knows first hand what this is truly about. The youth are heavily targeted & they need to know what the New Age is.

[@PaulSmith-pe1kh]

“Jesus isn’t their Lord, the supernatural is their lord.” Wow, framed it.

[@Concetta20]

Hit the nail on the head. I have a friend who got sucked into charismania and it follows the same pattern. He was once reformed and then he “surrendered” himself at a charismatic meeting and now he reads Bill Johnson. It’s sad.

[@susanparker9085]

Great. Now go out and tell them.

[@lauracummings3437]

Thank you for your dedication my faithful brothers. Such a needed podcast. Thankyou.

[@Concetta20]

It’s interesting that he had a spiritual experience that was genuine, that almost sounds like a mystical experience, but he doesn’t chase the experience like the charismatics but instead pursues God through His Word! That’s fantastic.

[@howardhare8702]

I've never heard of Steven before this episode. So many things continue to run through my mind.

[@jamie_ej1]

Idk if this comment will be read but I’m gonna post it anyway. Thank y’all so much for this episode. I am a reformed believer but I was living in sin for a period. I was given some spice/synthetic marijuana and vaped an entire 8ml tank full. This resulted in a supernatural experience that made me think I died and went to hell. I had no other way of describing it but it felt like people brushed it aside as a simple hallucination. What y’all described as demonic oppression really resonated with me. God used that experience to bring me back. Now what he said about hyper charismaticism and how their supernatural experience is their god really got to me. I have family in the UPC and their supernatural experiences they claim in Jesus name is their god. It breaks my heart and I’m overwhelmed at the idea of witnessing to them. But I know there is power in the true Holy Spirit and there is power in His word far beyond my feeble attempt. I’m am encouraged to share the gospel. Thank you

[@katsarn27]

Would love for you guys to talk about the enneagram and resurgence of Roman Catholic mysticism in the church

[@starlingswallow]

K S are enneagrams bad? 😳

[@katsarn27]

@@starlingswallow Based on a lot of research and searching scripture yes. Research origins and history. Looking for knowledge apart from God and His Word in particular about ourselves is dangerous scripture is our mirror not any occult tool no matter how much Christian lingo they use. Scripture outlines clearly the process of growth or sanctification and shows us our sin this replaces scripture even if people won't admit it they are looking elsewhere to define sin and grow into their "true self" not becoming more like Christ.

[@amyrobert]

This is exactly what I am looking for. I have a friend who swears up and down it changed her life. That's what concerns me. I don't need the road back to me, I need the road to Christ. All the buzzwords around enneagrams are bad news.

[@gainesdominique]

This was interesting. We need more discussion on the topic so we can help everyone.

[@kathyborthwick6738LakotaEmoji]

I so agree with this young man! I too have experienced many of these things and We to be ever vigilant and ask the Holy Spirit to help us discern the Truth!

[@player12hello14]

X New Ager here....WE ARE LISTENING STEVEN...THANKS ❤

[@Shiboys]

I like how humble Steven is! seems like a nice sweet guy

[@RAM-eq1pn]

I would like to hear more about what Steven discovered recently regarding hyper charismatic churches

[@bigmike5785]

I'm assuming he realized that its demonic and he should run away from it. I've been following Steven since the beginning. About a year in he made a video about his pentecostal experience and how wonderful it was. I was concerned. Glad to see him doing well. Praise God.

[@karenpierce6424]

You should have understood, don't go there; so don't. That's all you need to know!

[@bigmike5785]

@@1john4six do you really thing John 1:1 is talking about the KJV?

[@physicsman23]

Bethel church in Redding California would definitely fit

[@cristinamendoza7792]

The Lord has used Steven's life to redirect me to Him too! ❤️🙏😊

[@kathyborthwick6738LakotaEmoji]

New Age is so old age! .... The Dark Ages are upon us- pray and May the Lord have mercy upon us!

[@UnlimitedMercy]

ALL of the ads in this video are from New Age channels or have some connection to the New Age movement/meditation. The enemy hates that you’re exposing him. Praise the Lord for the work you’re doing. Praying for y’all.

[@OTTOAUDIO]

UnlimitedMercy yep and I report every ad as inappropriate

[@redheadjedi2653]

I can never get enough of Steven, great brother of the faith

[@Tetisize]

This is so relevant right now, I just finished reading "Oprah, Miracles and The New Earth" by Dr. Erwin W. Lutzer, he addresses exactly this. This is very important for us to know and be very aware of today as this is infiltrating the evangelical church more and more. We need godly discernment!

[@Sara-rr1lu]

Anna-Maria Lopez what’s the difference between evangelical and charismatic??? I’m asking in sincerity. I feel like I’ve linked the two, so I want to make sure I’m not being insnared.

[@choctawlove6060]

Wow listening to y’all made me start thanking Father GOD in Heaven and JESUS CHRIST my LORD and SAVIOR that I had JESUS CHRIST in my heart and soul, and know Father GOD in HEAVEN as a child.

[@lycanhunter5622]

Glad I watched this. Really opened my eyes to things going on that I haven’t noticed, or was immune to.... either way, my eyes are open now.

[@sumar392]

Guess what the ad that popped up after refreshing the page was: A NEW AGE MOVEMENT ad.

[@gracemaina6593]

For me too

[@akbrooks70]

I appreciate this interview. I've never taken drugs, but psychedelics have always held a fascination for me, but I always stayed away because as a Christian the ramifications of taking them in context of my faith made it not worth it. I would've rather refrain than be mislead by something that nobody really knows how to properly interpret. Listening to the Alex Jones/Joe Rogan interview a few weeks back blew my mind and this really helps put all of it into perspective.

[@yqafree]

Steven yet again is so on point, as well as a great facilitation by Jeff, bravo guys-all of you!

[@cgoolsby1797]

I love apologia and am so glad yall brought Steven on! I would like to hear more about his experience with charismatics thst he felt convicted of. I grew up charismatic/Pentecostal then unknowingly attended a Baptist university and my world was flipped upside down. I have so much to say about that and the occult. If yall need a cohost let me know!

[@dirkhoekstra727]

Wow, brilliant video! I saw that testimony video a while ago and it was by far the most amazing testimony I heard in my life.

[@amk1689]

even as a professing Christian i have to be vigilant about how new ageism can creep into my mind. i was raised by a new ager

[@consideritalljoy7960]

A M K me too friend, me too! Remain in the works and in Him! Let’s be encouraged by our marching stories and our Saviour, Jesus 🙏❤️ Amen!!

[@Sara-rr1lu]

A M K same here. I grew up with new age/metaphysical influences. I’ve found myself struggling more recently with it, but then life has been taking presidency over my time in the Word. I need to make it a priority to renew my mind every day. Seemingly little things I’ll find creeping into my mind. This has really motivated me to get into the Word again.

[@OTTOAUDIO]

Renew your mind every day with Gods word and you will be fine :)

[@lunamaharuni]

I raised my girls in the new age teachings.. And now I'm trying to show them the truth.. I have repented of my sins and all i do now is Work on saving my 3 daughters souls

[@sitathisfeet5797]

@@lunamaharuni Hi Debbie, I may be wrong, but I wanted to ask, are you a friend of Serena Davis? From Arizona? Your name sounds familiar to one of her close friends : )

[@Alex-yd9pf]

Great interview! Thank you Apologia for having Steven, very informative. Reread John chapter 6, 4:13, maybe even over and over again, and hopefully find your way to Jesus' one Holy Catholic Church! If you can, I also suggest reading the book "The Last Supper" by Scott Hahn.

[@leavingtheupci239]

We appreciate your hard work and comments! We left UPCI after 30ish years and it was very interesting!!!💖😊😊

[@timrileyj10]

17:00 imitation Spirit, when I was LDS i felt the presence of a false Holy Spirit, warm fuzzy powerful , would bring tears to my eyes and overwhelm me emotionally, releasing endorphine like a drug. It was a familiar spirit, fraud. Great guest!

[@JCGlory]

Me too, I was saved from Mormonism too, had the same demonic experience, false holy spirit, thank god for the false holy spirit can't last, because its a demon, my torment led me to the Real Jesus!

[@coxx0040]

Simply incredible...this man's testimony is amazing. Thank you...

[@dillonbradford3190]

The enemy disguises himself as an angel of light, the best “looking” angel but all that glitters is not gold my friends.

[@twilitesparkle2704]

Vampires aka demons glitter in some popular movies. Lucifer comes as a deceiving light

[@DJRoll15]

This is such an interesting subject for a podcast Can’t wait for the next episode I’m learning a lot and it keeps me on guard of what to look for

[@cat-bg3rv]

I have just started reading the book by Steven and Josh as mentioned at the beginning. I think it is important to read information on the New Age because of the church accepting some of the practices and hoping to address the issues in the church and outside of the church reaching those that desire to get out by and in the name of Jesus.

[@terrybear5398]

You, Steven, are Amazing! So inspiring, intelligent, sincere and have such integrity....you're also very handsome....coming from a 70 year youngin. God Bless You

[@peterfrancey637]

Praise God for all He has done in your life Steven. Please remember my sister when you are going into the throne room of grace before our beautiful saviour. She is trapped in the new age movement and is big into astrology she has a KZbin channel and her name is Hannah. Thanks and God bless.

[@KennyBare]

I thought I was a convert from agnosticism but I remember delving into marijuana spirituality and alien metaphysics before Christ saved me. It is pervasive

[@KennyBare]

@Bo Kuen Tao it's what Joe Rogan was doing on his podcast before it became a hit with normies

[@tskjesusfreak]

When I think about cults is the Christian documentaries of the 80s/90s that explain what the new age stuff that I watched while I was home school. Video quality was crappy, but the information was extremely valuable. I'm glad that I watched a bunch of this type of stuff that warned me about this. Thank you New Age Christian documentaries that warn me about the dark stuff of the new age.

[@immortalfool7627]

Thank you Steven Bancarz, I have experienced some of that when I was converted into Pentecostal Christianity. Intense emotion. Supernatural awareness of some. I had a personal possession experience and was subsequently admitted to a psychiatric hospital some weeks later.

[@twilitesparkle2704]

Share your testimony. God bless

[@chalinechurch9808]

I agree, share your testimony, to many churches are leading Christians into supernatural experience instead of Jesus

[@InfinitEternaLovEmmanuel]

EDIFYING!!! Thank you and God bless you all for sharing this invaluable information!! 🙏🏼 May the Lord continued to be greater glorified through your dedication to truth, knowledge and salvation that comes only through faith in Jesus Christ!

[@elizabethdavis2779]

Right on in your description about what is going on in the body of Christ around minute 17. Immitating spirits. So true. We need to have a discerning spirit so we know what is of God and what is not.

[@aysajaysa133]

Thank you for this series. Love you all!

[@lisaedgett8714]

When I was a teenager, I looked for ways to find out about the afterlife because I had lost my mother when I was nine years old and I needed affirmation that she was ok. My mother had been an avid church goer and was very serious about her faith and I truly believe Jesus was with me when I lost my mother because I felt this peace inside that got me through.. but I lost it as time went on as i grew up under an atheist Jesus hating father...because I no longer had a religious influence I sought out different ways to seek answers, being completely ignorant at the danger at what I was trying. I began using a ouija board and ended up bringing something into my house that shook my bed the minute I would begin to fall asleep, and I would feel it around me no matter where I was in the house. Things would fall and move in other rooms and a couple of times I witnessed a mist at the end of my bed. I became very depressed and started sleeping with the only bible I had every night..eventually we moved and the activity stopped but I think it took a long time for that entire experience to be behind me. This stuff is real and i wouldn't recommend the new age way to check it out..i couldnt write a quarter of the things i went through without this post being a mile long...believe me, dont try it..without Christ u are powerless against this stuff and it is a miracle that I went through it in the shape that I did. I got baptized when I came back to faith and completely repented of all of this. 100 years ago we couldnt see bacteria either..doesnt mean it's not there..it is..dont be stupid and assume the same thing about stuff like this.

[@waveexistence3512]

I need to see/listen to Steven Bancarz talk with Joe Rogan. This has to happen please 🙏🏻

[@edaguilar1798]

Jeff looks deeply considered in this God bless all of you guys

[@mmdishman1]

Thank you for your information on kundalini. I see it all of the time and I don't know how to deal with it. I seem to be the oddball that just keeps to myself during these types of services. (I pray against it while its going on. I leave if I feel God want me to leave and intercede if He wants me to intercede, but I am not sure how to tell my brothers and sisters that its happening. I feel that it is best to wait for God's timing, otherwise, it will just start a fight). Thanks so much for addressing it.

[@mmdishman1]

@Pusalieth yeah, you're right. I'm not afraid to fight, but too many times I realized after the fact that I fought in flesh instead of spirit

[@cat-bg3rv]

Keep praying without ceasing and let His Holy Spirit convict their hearts. You are a good influence even though you don't see change yet. Maybe now, since you shared this. 🙏

[@philstarr6746]

Steven B is such a good dood. He goes deep. Great interview fellas

[@timcook4552]

I am so proud of you!

[@throughhumaneyes7648]

Great vid, the world will change if there is more content like this. Just remember evil doesnt win in the end.

[@Bobbyhiddn]

Good stuff! Looking forward to the next video.

[@lorivossler248]

Thank you guys.

[@catbee1452]

I brought up the dangers of meditation and yoga to my Bible study group. Now I'm talking about very well read, mature and loving Christians who looked at me like I had 3 heads. A few of them said yoga was fine because it was merely stretching and that God knows the intentions of their hearts and that 'meditation' is actually what (Christian) prayer is. I replied that they are opening the door to Darkness because yoga positions are physical, Hindu 'prayer' poses and praise to 'Hindu gods', which is a pagan practice and idolatry. The mere act of doing these poses gives justification for that which is NOT of the Light, to occupy a space within them. ALL of them had half smile smirks on their faces and a couple members told me it's important 'not to read into things'. My heart is heavy. Long time brothers and sisters in Christ (who know me quite well), immediately put up a wall and changed the subject. I will be photocopying pages 311-317 called, 'Yoga in the Church' from Steven and Josh's book, 'The Second Coming of the New Age', and handing it to my Bible study group for discussion. Please pray for The Holy Spirit's guidance over me in presenting this to them, so that eyes, minds and hearts will be opened to this real and ever-present danger to Christians everywhere.

[@chalinechurch9808]

I have had a similar experience, Christians need the info, Pastors need to warn and Christians need to not excuse themselves doing things that have pagan roots

[@DeepTruth180]

Much love. God bless

[@Maison1990]

Well said, looking forward to learning more on how to help the lost.

[@jdfleblanc]

Great discussion. Steven is extremely astute. Really great stuff here.

[@1of650]

I love how Steven is constantly learning and is open to the Holy Spirit. I’ve not been comfortable with some of the phenomena in the Charismatic Movement, such as gold dust and feathers! It’s good to hear Steven recognize the source of this. Deception is a problem in the church today. People want the feel good and not so much the conviction! BTW I like your haircut, Steven, and I liked it long too!

[@mollynoneofurbuisness3099]

But what is wrong with gold dust and feathers, the bible talks about signs and wonders. The question you need to ask yourself is are these signs pointing people TO JESUS? If they are encouraging people to worship and give JESUS Glory, then it is not from the devil. He will never do that. I taught a bible study to people who we witnessed to on the streets, and a hindu man asked me, why do I need Jesus? I see punjabi healers heal people all the time. (We were praying to Jesus for healing for someone) I told him, "If I offered you 1 dollar or a million dollars, which would you take? All of us would take the million of course. So why would you turn to satan for healing, when his power is limited, and one day he will bow to Jesus? Why not go straight to Jesus and be saved? He did end up repenting from idol worship and sin, and gave his life to the one true God, Jesus Christ!

[@1of650]

@@mollynoneofurbuisness3099 im not against healing etc, but gold dust and feathers? some of those who experience that also grave suck! too close to strangeness!

[@mollynoneofurbuisness3099]

@@1of650 I don't "grave suck" and I have experienced gold dust. It was after hours of worship in a corporate setting where all of us who were gathered believe in repentance from sin, biblical teaching and salvation in Jesus alone. I live a holy lifestyle, have been to bible college and follow Jesus with all my heart, soul, mind and strength. The whole grave sucking thing is really ridiculous it's like a bad game of telephone...Bill Johnson went to wigglesworth grave to see it, they may have said a prayer there and now all of a sudden he is a necromancer? Seriously ppl are ridiculous for spreading such nonsense. Read 2 kings 13:21. There is a such thing as residual anointing that can remain on a man or woman of God. Praying to God Almighty in heaven at the gravesite of a man of God who was heavily anointed is very different than summoning a spirit of a dead person through witchcraft.

[@kittymccaffery]

Steven! Yes! This will be good.

[@300pzl]

Steve is very well spoken.

[@liezlsmal9151]

These video's and interviews have lifted a very heavy burden for me. I have several friends and family that have embraced Eastern Mysticism and New Age principals ALL their lives. Now I have more courage to approach them with the Gospel and highlight the fact that they are on a very slippery slope and in real danger. Thank you and God Bless you. :) South Africa

[@tylerarmstrong5599]

What is so ironic is that every ad that pops up is a New Age philosopher inviting me to play with the Universe.

[@omamikels7091]

Ads to appear are basically selected by algorithms. Because the 'New Age' is named on video, it results with ads of same interests.

[@Candy-sx7os]

Thank you for this Guys !

[@janeaustere]

Love that you mentioned the term “holy spirit”. I have noticed this as well, from Jenn Johnson and Heidi Baker. And it goes along with them saying false things and invoking strange chaotic experiences.

[@Concetta20]

I have a charismatic Christian sister in Christ and she says this all the time “Holy Spirit” “that’s Holy Spirit”- no “the” and that always disturbed me, among others things she says. Now I know why.

[@joshsotelo5559]

I love when I hear the truth are lord is it the king of kings Jesus Christ loves you and all amen 🙏🏻 thx 4real talk

[@matthewjames9209]

really enjoy these. thanks guys

[@justinmcnaughton3016]

Just read that verse today "sin will find you out" I think it's in numbers. Epic

[@Zilam]

As someone super far removed from the extra-spiritual/hyper charismatic world view (If there was a boundary marker between Christian and naturalist worldviews, my toes would be on the line), this video is very eye opening into a worldview that I often dismiss out of hand. Thanks for sharing!

[@joannehart2433]

Constance Cumbey's book about the New Age - also written in the 80's - is an incredible piece of research into the movement, including accurate political predictions.

[@joannehart2433]

She delves deep into the roots based in Theosophy, the founders and the intent.

[@savedwretch]

Amen!, amen!, amen! At last this and the hyper charasmatic movements are being exposed. Thank you Lord Father 🙏.

[@EzekielsCall]

It’s possible that the “symptoms “ Steven had were because he was participating/yielding to false teachers. When I say “false teachers” though, I’m not referring to their motives, but their actions. Sadly slot of well meaning people are getting lured into pagan practices via books sold in Christian bookstores, DVD”s , “Christian” television etc etc which promote pagan practices as “ Ancient Christian & Hebrew practice” , specifically things like”soaking” (a form of Eastern meditation dressed up to appear Christian). Contemplative “prayer”, “Practicing the presence” , “the Silence”, “Cloud of unknowing “, breath prayers and more. People like Richard Foster, Bill & Beni Johnson & their crowd (NAR, Patricia King, Todd Bentley, Shawn Bolz etc etc ) and other authors I can’t even think of at the moment are selling “Christian”books and holding youth conferences etc leading people into these practices. Too many Christians don’t know the Word of God for themselves, or have no discernment to recognize false teaching of false unbiblical practices. Too many fall for the twisted arguments of these “teachers” and authors because of ignorance.

[@joshroy5670]

Interesting how the ads for this video are in stark contrast to the content of the video.