Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying on Sex, Gender, and Preparing Kids for Adulthood

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Hello again, friends! For those discovering this video who haven't seen the first part (or subscribed to the channel, which I ask you kindly to do!) here's the link so you can check out part 1. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nai0eX9-g9h-rNk In this conversation, we get into some tougher stuff, and Heather even turns the tables on me when it comes to questions of faith. I hope you enjoy this, find it useful, and stick around because we've got some awesome conversations coming up including Peter Boghossian, Russ Roberts, Wilfred Reilly... and even former NYC mayor Bill de Blasio! Here's the chapters of this video: [0:00] Why going outside really matters [4:41] Gender is the software of sex [13:45] Human flexibility vs inescapable biology [22:48] Monogamy, birth control, and casual sex [29:12] Transgender dogma undermines women’s liberation [37:21] Valuable diversity and the scientific method [44:32] The provisional role of scientific authority [46:59] How media twists true data to spread false narratives [52:29] What does it mean to be (and become) an adult? [1:01:45] Kids destroy your life…and give you something better [1:10:28] The purpose of traditional rites of passage [1:17:50] Adapting religious orthodoxy to the 21st century [1:24:13] Faith, Catholicism, and morality [1:33:43] How do we justify human dignity? [1:38:25] Be grateful for and protect what we have

[@listener523]

Great talk I learned a lot about the new weight loss trends on Ticktock and which bicycle tires are best. I think Brett and Heather mentioned something about biology in there somewhere but I'll certainly be ordering that new barbell.

[@garypotter5569]

Compelled speech. They want to FIRCE you to speak words that you know are false, to think thoughts that you know are false, to see 5 lights instead of 4. It is a FEATURE of any Communist regime that it insists that you speak lies. "Live not by Lies." -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

[@BellaMarsilioRN]

Oh my, you've got my eyes blurry! Bret, and his beloved Heather have truly helped so many of us navigate through these "funny" times. #BlessedBeThee🐦

[@endofinnocence5992]

You seem unaware that the New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant, and that the Talmud says Jesus is in Hell boiling in feces, and that America is Israel's little bltch.

[@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894]

YOU EXPERTS NEED TO LEARN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRIMARY AND SECONDARY SEX CHARACTERISTICS. PRIMARY BIOLOGICAL. SECONDARY FEELINGS MASCULINITY AND FEMININITY. YOU ARE NO EXPERTS 😂😂😂😂

[@HellCatt0770]

You can’t change sex and the legal system and laws should reflect that. Laws should not enforce fiction or lies.

[@alwayswatching4351]

You don't care about biology or law. You just hold bigotries and hatred due to your extremely poor character. Same as Bret and Heather. Do you deny the relationship between HIV and AIDS like Bret and Heather do as well?

[@nin6246]

Well, even Bret Weinstien was a bit late to the COVID stuff but he always spoke honestly which I greatly appreciated. It's a good thing that Bret Weinstien was just one of about 30+ doctors, scientists, and passionate content creators that I followed throughout the COVID debacle.

[@lisafeck1537]

I was a tomboy. I had so much freedom to literally play in the dirt and get filthy, grimy, sweaty, hurt sometimes. It was bliss, and toughened me up. I still play in the dirt, but I am a real woman, feminine, and so glad to exist/be exactly as I was created. Let girls be/exist, let boys be/exist. Stop pushing this confusion on children, not even in high school. It is grooming.

[@mattwa33186]

I wish they could see my standing ovation for everything they are saying.

[@alwayswatching4351]

Sit down, incel.

[@dorijoe]

I really like this interviewer, he's endearing and smart. He's open to learn but also self expressive. He's a bit different, his character comes through and I personally like it.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

You made my day with this lovely comment. Thank you. I understand those who are like “hey buddy, why don’t you just shut the hell up” too. Different strokes!!

[@danaveye3977]

Phew 😁

[@MizJaniceResinArt]

I think what we've lost is the idea that life is sacred. Life is miraculous.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

We lost how to objectively define and agree what life is first. After that, we lost the idea that life is sacred. Merely giving the scientific definition that "life begins to conception," devoid of any further statement, causes apoplexy amongst some people.

[@janndoe3718]

The rare joy of listening to sane adults/humans. If the Nobel prize were still worth something, I'd nominate Heather and Bret for humans of the decade. #Sanity

[@neomacchio4692]

I concur! Intelligent, lovely, American Heroes. Truly.

[@Jay-gf8tm]

That prize is just as political as the cover of Time magazine.

[@r.c.7762]

I knew Heather and Bret, would be brilliant. As usual, thoughtful, soft spoken, prepared.

[@iandevelin8183]

Been waiting for this. Thanks for the good content. These two need more eyes and ears.

[@neomacchio4692]

KZbin and the establishment won’t allow it. But that doesn’t mean they’ll stop or that we’ll stop seeking them out!

[@chrisrubio8212]

It is human nature to sacrifice everything for your highest priority. Most people do it accidentally. To me it looks like adulthood comes when one makes the conscious, voluntary decision to sacrifice everything for their highest priority. That’s why it is so often triggered by parenthood. Suddenly that child is the most important thing in the world, and every sacrifice can be made for the child’s benefit.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

Heather, starting at about 5:40 and lasting for about 8 or 9 minutes, is BRILLIANT. Everything, in under nine minutes. Perfect.

[@warner476]

I’ve not been astute enough to voice my opinion on the changing gender roles from the 70”s to now. Heather, well said!

[@dananorth895]

As a teen in the 70's I watched womens liberation develope and for the most part agreed with it as far as equality and oportunity. But what a couldn't help but notice is rather than develope their feminine side, women inmitated and mimicked the baser male "behavoirs" trying to be "one of the boys" right down to the vulgarity. As a male I'd be the first to tell you we have enough idiots on this planet already without woman making the same mistake. It used to be a women complimented and corrected a male (slapped him upside the head and told him to grow up and be responsible) now women are just as screwed up a men are.

[@baldeagle-cq2jl]

I finished listening to the rest of the podcast after I made a comment, but need to add, Bret and Heather really complement each other. Bret has always had a way of describing highly intellectual thinking in understandable language for everyone to grasp.

[@chrisrubio8212]

“We don’t know what’s jeopardizing it.” The jeopardy comes from misaligned priorities. Human beings will sacrifice everything for their highest priority, and right now we prioritize safety, comfort, and convenience. The species got this far by prioritizing courage, authenticity, and excellence. Those are the “traditional values” that have been lost, but it’s not too late to reclaim them.

[@llkoolbean4935]

Cooperation. Humans thrived with cooperation and social bonds.

[@roundedges2]

@@llkoolbean4935 VOLUNTARY cooperation

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

This is brilliant. Love HH and BW. And as a raised Catholic, the same nun who taught us religion (she included all major religions in senior years in a positive, never disparagingly) taught us biology, including evolution. And we had a Quaker teacher (Geography), a Jewish teacher (mathematics, commerce). They were given holidays for their "feast" days. 1970s.

[@baldeagle-cq2jl]

What a beautiful start to the conversation by Heather. She was on point and very descriptive on the subject of sex/gender. Bowie was great. A 'genderbender' was the appropriate word, but still a man. As a baby boomer myself, I can relate to those awesome times of the 70's,80's and 90's, Heather touched on. The difference was,no social media.

[@TJ-kk5zf]

The problem here is that Bret and Heather think that logic is the coin of the realm. When you're up against postmodernists, that's bringing a gun to a banana fight. That is why it is so important to follow James Lindsay

[@KGS922]

You've gotta be kidding

[@TJ-kk5zf]

@@KGS922 no

[@JustinVillemure]

The problem is logic?! Oof... I think the problem is people confusing PERSONALITY with gender/sex... Humanity is a species with a distinct, intrinsic binary divide: male(man) and female(women) - there are biological, mental, emotional differences all based on the very genetics, capabilities and body compositions of these differences.

[@TJ-kk5zf]

@@JustinVillemure postmodernists don't acknowledge logic

[@bryanbenaway5411]

This is correct. The arguments being offered by the woke are emotionally motivated rationalizations. At least part of the truth is extremely politically incorrect. Many of the conversations we must have to sort out the truth these days are, but the rise of women is society has lead to these emotionally charged illogical ideologies. Not sure what to do about that though …

[@morganxavier]

I gave this a listen because I love Bret and Heather and boy, I sure wasn't disappointed! I took a lot of notes. ❤As an ex-Christian, podcasts with great conversations like this have become church to me. It feels great to quench my spiritual and intellectual thirst at the same time. Much love from Canada, the land of the not-so-free. ❤

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Thank you for this amazing comment, even if it’s making me a little uncomfortable to be a religion replacement. A high compliment to be sure! P.S. sorry about Canada. It seems even farther down the road to serfdom than the US. Gulp.

[@lizanneward1484]

I too thought this was a great podcast, thought provoking in so many ways. I’ve read “Man’s Search for Meaning” many times over the years and that aspect of no matter the circumstances, we are ultimately in control of our thoughts has always stuck with me. I’m not religious but I can see how expanding your mind and listening to other perspectives could be so helpful. I live in Canada too and I agree, the now not so land of the free and especially so here in B.C.!

[@morganxavier]

@@lizanneward1484 Well sending you extra love then because I am also in BC! Eastern Fraser Valley. What about you?

[@lizanneward1484]

I’m from Vancouver but live in Victoria now and so we can both relate to the craziness of what is going on not just from the Federal Govt. perspective but also the Provincial Government!

[@bryanhawkins9418]

I too enjoyed this and I’m a Christian. I’m curious about your ex-Christianity though. What happened?

[@cestmoi4532]

Excellent conversation with these two wonderful humans. ❤️💛

[@gabrialjackson5878]

I would never suspect evolutionary biology would be so useful in helping to make sense of so many seemingly unrelated topics, especially complex systems. Very cool love these two

[@Theresa3267]

Imagine that… one person says “I would have to disagree on that” and the other says “fair enough” - what a concept!

[@shelleycandelario2162]

I raised three kids. And as environmentalists, we lived very simply. Education and experiences are the things we spent money on. We unschooled. They shared rooms. Spent time outside. Kids are not that expensive if they don't need a new iphone every year. And then we have three adults who live light on the earth and can follow their passions because they're resourceful and know how to support one another and live in community. And you know those kids with iphones and the latest games. They now don't seem to know how to work and have relationships. Raise your kids close to the Earth.And they will help solve the future and they will be happy. Also we come in this world with death as a known outcome. So why bring children into the world??? Enjoy and bring goodness and peace to the world while you're here. There are never any guarantees.

[@unreadlibrarian]

neat little slip into anti-natalism there.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

​@unreadlibrarian Don't bring them into the world to do as the corporatists want them to do, and ruin their own lives and then also the lives of others. That was what I heard. Made sense to me.

[@louiseparker1915]

No such thing as gender! Let’s stop using this unhelpful term. Sex is the correct term to describe the TWO types of human.

[@scottfranson4215]

love how respectful Brett and Heather are of each other. Notice how they never interrupt each other. I knew Heather and Bret, would be brilliant.

[@IxHATExUCLA]

Polished! Thanks everybody. Great convo

[@allanparker20]

What a relief to actually see and hear some sane and aware adults for a change.

[@owensclock]

Thank you for this marvelous video! Three exceptionally learned people NOT trying to sell me an ideology But instead candidly offering their personal observations and insights and offering well thought out suggestions on how to approach the pressing issues of our time. And leaving me with much to think about!

[@robertmacaulay3051]

Thank you so much for a fascinating and stimulating conversation. I’m a British man, lucky enough to have been married for nearly 51 years, with three daughters and seven grandchildren. I’m increasingly aware that their world is very different from the one I grew up in. How do we ensure that they live productive lives with hope and belief that the society we live in, though far from perfect, is far better than almost all others and it’s worth trying to live full lives and ones in which they will bring up their own families?

[@saqu7143]

I guess be present... care. Love. Ask. Build a family culture that will draw them to meaningful things and people. Don't let them withdraw into their own little worlds and show them that THEY MATTER. At least I hope that's gonna work, other than trusting God that's pretty much the plan over here.

[@central_scrutinizr]

24:29 re: the birth control pill: “Instead of encouraging more men to act like women at their best, it has encouraged more women to act like men at their worst.” This is an amazing thought.

[@pigetstuck]

mainline protestants and even more liberal catholics have tried to modernize and that backfired spectacularly

[@big_red_machine3547]

Yes, trying to change the natural order of things is never a good idea

[@pigetstuck]

@@big_red_machine3547 Do you know why it backfired?

[@barboglesby2162]

I believe these religions have modernized significantly. Can you explain some of the reasons you feel that has backfired? I may agree.

[@pigetstuck]

@@barboglesby2162 Sparkle Creed. Cratering of attendance.

[@grannyannie2948]

I also believe it has backfired, I know my reasons but I'm in a different country, I'd like to know your reasons.

[@mariedelozier2530]

Heather nailed it on her analysis of woke science. A RELIGION based on a warped and erroneous view of science.

[@livefreeprintguns]

I love Bret and Heather... I could listen to them talk about recipes for apple pie and be thoroughly entertained and engaged.

[@valerieanderson7967]

I just discovered this channel; I’ll be listening to more. At 1:40, you just blew me away! And Heather’s answer: “I don’t know how to answer that question.” Ha! Nailed it!

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Welcome aboard, my friend. Glad to have you here!!

[@Theresa3267]

Nothing makes me sadder for people than when they say they’re not believers 🥺

[@lisablanchard8915]

Bret and Heather are Brilliant....I am always amazed by how much they know and can articulate in words that I can understand and learn...thank you for shared intelligent conversations...keep it coming

[@JaneDoe-hk9kj]

Had no idea these 2 were partners. What a wonderful couple. I could listen to them for hours

[@JayEs31]

why do we need the "gender" concept at all? why not just "sex roles"? Heather gave an elaborate academic answer but didn't really answer the question. just in case you are able to follow up on this.

[@big_red_machine3547]

I think the reason for the gender question is that, if the radicals can make everyone believe that there’s no such thing as male and female- then you’ll believe absolutely anything else they cook up. There is no more fundamental truth in the entire universe than “male and female”.

[@daisyviluck7932]

As far as I can tell, the work “gender” got substituted for “sex” decades ago because it seemed more neutral and less emotionally charged (“hehehe teacher said, ‘sex’”). So because we already had two words for the same concept, one of those words could be co-opted by people with agendas.

[@thedaythatendsinY]

Because if you done use gender you can't play the silly word games if base and switch where you start by discussing presentation through gender and end up using gender to describe sex.

[@Jay_Hendrix]

Or just "personality"

[@robertmarshall2502]

The only plus I can see is in pointing out regressive unscientific roles and norms, calling them gender and then working to eradicate them

[@maddywilcox9012]

We need to stop criticizing each other, put our own houses in order, but we have a social responsibility to criticise the institutions...

[@PeeGee85]

The idea that all humans are equal didn't come from religion, except perhaps the retconned story of religion we use these days, where it's all peace and love, rather than persecution, mass murder and xenophobia as it was for a long time when the religious were in power. The reason we can consider everyone equal these days is, it seems to me, because we've discovered how we all share an evolutionary origin, how all of our thoughts and actions are (increasingly) connected, and how horrific the results of hate and violence (whether motivated by tribalism, nationalism or religion) can be. We've learned through living with the consequences of our own mistakes, and by discovering the origins and nature of ourselves and the world around us.

[@jasonbutton9639]

How do you think this country was founded? it is a overall good country because of the Christion beliefs and values. With out Christion values and beliefs you end up like we are now, lost and confused.

[@blakereid5785]

I think something that is really common(true for most of my close friends) is that many people think that to be human is to transcend nature. They don’t see themselves even partly as animals or part of a nature. These are self proclaimed “inside cat” types that say they’d be happy to never step outside again. Its a transhumanism thats values avoiding discomfort and seeking pleasure as high virtues.

[@oneperson5760]

There is nothing new under the sun. Traditional faith does not need to change to suit the times. Modern people need to read and understand how to apply its wisdom. I am also becoming more Catholic. For me, that means I am actually learning and loving God, improving my prayer life, and cutting things out of my life which are offensive to God, and completely having trust in Jesus.

[@gj1695]

You are a role model, perhaps without even knowing it.

[@kathytodd319]

I theorize that biological realities were basically denied in psychology after WWII due to fear of what happened in Germany...And Skinner's black box, with the Blank Slate theories dependence upon social constructionism became the gold standard...

[@HellCatt0770]

I was adopted (my mother was coerced) I believe the confidence of removing babies from unmarried mothers for placement with more ‘suitable’ couples and making contact between mother and her child illegal was also due to the ‘blank slate’ belief. It’s just not true, I was nothing like my adopted family. Total misapplied theory that one!

[@grannyannie2948]

​@@HellCatt0770Certainly when I was at university, the nature side of the nature/nurture debate was a No No.

[@grannyannie2948]

I agree

[@SwordAndFern-mw3ke]

On the having kids thing, a lot of us can’t afford it, we have been priced out of existence let alone raising kids. You can make an argument for doing it anyways and figuring it out however raising kids in poverty usually dooms them to that same poverty and a life of unfulfilled potential. I personally refuse to raise a kid in that environment.

[@big_red_machine3547]

I’ve always thought the same, plus the idea that I didn’t want to bring a new life into such a disgraceful world, and have the child blame me later on

[@brek5]

I mean, do you expect to be poor forever? And I don't mean in a "I'm gonna turn things around and be a millionaire" type way but like, you know, figure out a way to live a reasonably comfortable life in a place that doesn't come with the costs of NYC or some other expensive place. I mean, I think a lot of the "kids cost so much" is built up by a bourgeois sense of having to pamper kids to the hilt, but they don't actually eat much, haha, until they're, say, teen boys, but there are solutions for that, too. They don't take up much space, can get 'em a room when they're a little older. It's mostly this keeping-up-with-the-Jones' idea that you have to pay $25,000 a term for private school, buy them designer things, update their iPhone every year, and send them on ski holiday's in Vail or whatever, lol. They mostly take time and attention. Anyway, I'm not even arguing that people should have kids, but I do think a lot of the talk about expense is driven by people who want to sell something (and then scared parents believing them).

[@daisyviluck7932]

@@brek5this. It’s always useful to figure out who is behind the push to discourage people from doing perfectly normal and natural things (reproducing) and what they would get out of it. Especially hen they have you thinking it’s really *your* idea.

[@oneperson5760]

Kids actually cost very little. Its you, the parent, wanting to have name brand goods, expensive cars and a big nice house that is expensive. Children are happy with some legos or dolls or Tonka trucks and hand-me-down clothes and things from Goodwill. What they really need is food, shelter, water, and love. Healthcare and education are provided in this country. So it's not the children who are expensive, it's your personal ideals and the lifestyle you choose. We were poor when we were first married. We lived in low income housing, and drove an old car with no air conditioning. Our children never cared, as long as they were loved and not hungry. If you shove them into a mentally ill society based on materialism, then maybe they'll be unhappy, but you can avoid that by choosing your friends and choosing your media consumption. Don't blame expenses on the kids. It's YOU who wants it to be too expensive. People also try to list higher education expenses as a cost of having children. I call BS. If your children are worthy to go to university, they should have been smart enough and worked hard enough to earn scholarships. If they didn't work hard and earn scholarships for themselves, then they are not fit for college and should just get a job and/or go to trade school.

[@brek5]

@@daisyviluck7932 @oneperson5760 Yeah, I mean, I didn't want to seem like I was encouraging OP to have kids or that it's some kind of moral imperative, but having raised 2 and, I mean, not poor but not anything resembling rich, haha, we came out all right, and we're also half raising my niece (long story). But yeah, for the most part, like, I'm making myself a pot of spaghetti, and my 3-year-old niece eats a little bowl that I am not worried about, haha, and it's more about her wanting to stir the pasta or add salt, plus play time with me whether that is with toys or her climbing up and jumping into my arms, that is more the "investment" than any worry about too much spaghetti getting into the pot or if she ganks my brocolli and breaking the bank. Similarly, with education, I mean, there are expenses, but I found them all manageable, but again, the biggest cost in terms of my life was time... like when your daughter comes home at 11 years old and says, "Well, we learned about this thing in class today," and you engage with them and the material, not even "help" with homework (although that's a thing) but just getting them to think about things, making them discover their interests and deal with hardship/obstacles. Yeah, you have to turn off your podcast or whatever and read with them or have a discussion about some issue. Anyway, I'd say any economic hardship I've had (which there's been some--again, I want to make it clear this is not a "Don't be poor" post) has been mostly of my making and not due to the kids. And the pro tip for teen boys (especially if they are athletic) is buying in bulk and buffets, haha. Fill 'em up at the buffet, even if you'd like to be eating a dainty meal at a boutique restaurant, haha.

[@risteardohaodha23]

Thank you all three of you for such a wonderful, in-depth and lengthy discussion. 🙏🏻💜✨

[@duanekeith7816]

As you have implied, another part of adulthood is eschewing the thrills and chills of Catastrophism.

[@MrUntapishtim]

This was amazing. Thanks guys.

[@janineclancy4697]

Truth is so important and needs to come forward

[@aileenroberts8568]

I love so much what you said about faith. The lighthouse was an amazing analogy.

[@akap_987]

Great to hear logical sensible analysis on a ridiculously emotional issue. Great couple, respectful to each other. Love it!

[@TheNewGent]

I agree with the conversation, but I would even suggest that feminizing of men and masculinizing of women started earlier with radical feminism. Radical feminists would be very derogative about male behavior while “empowering” women to have male roles. Not to say a spectrum of behaviors, but they would say man bad, woman good but traditional woman bad, only radical feminist woman good.

[@MizJaniceResinArt]

It's possible that it has something to do with the endocrine disruptors in much of our food.

[@TimothyRooney-u4h]

This couple are both accomplished scientists, researchers and parents whomever would be of great benefit to civilization must have a response to their point if view concerning the questions of: "What is the reason I am here, what is the meaning of existence, why does it matter what I think, or what I do in this expanse of a cosmos?" Considering the trajectory of the lives of these two educators who in instances have uncovered real issues that challenge modern thinking about science and scientific ideology itself, are still being ignored or actually canceled by those who were challenged, it is rewarding that the average person like me is able to hear and understand this point of view that although counter to what I may have had or still have as biased beliefs, to become more critical of my own logical conclusions and able to entertain even the most ludicrous of the post modernist's spaghetti logic, but still can discern truth and a signpost to the way forward, with courage to take that path.

[@pigetstuck]

how does "bisexual" make biological sense?

[@nynoah]

For women it gives pair bonding to care for the children

[@big_red_machine3547]

Makes more sense for women, biologically and emotionally speaking. Historically, they could still enjoy sex and companionship when men were away for war, and still procreate if the opportunity arose. For men, perhaps they get double the fun 🤭

[@pigetstuck]

@@big_red_machine3547 Pleasure without procreation?

[@big_red_machine3547]

Considering the topic, our host says “I feel” a lot. I really notice that men who have a feminine proclivity say “feel” and not , the masculine “i think”. Goes to show that men have a feminine side and women have a masculine side. It doesn’t mean that a sex change needs to happen! Just something to ponder

[@barbaralbrehm9967]

Heying admits she doesn't understand why all mankind individually deserve the dignity of respect and equality because she conflates economics with it. Those who have faith in a higher being realize every person was created equally. Perhaps without faith, this is harder to believe? We all don't deserve the same economic status: largely that is something for each person to strive to obtain. For this purpose we offer education to all children in the more advanced cultures to offer the young a starting place.

[@thedaythatendsinY]

I like and respect Bret and Heather but I can never get over the oxymoronic stance that they and so many like them take which says in essence "we recognize Problem. Problem stems from aspect of modernity. This Problem doesn't exist if humans function as humans are designed to function. So solution to Problem would be to reject the aspect of modernity which causes Problem and return to functional human existence thus alleviating Problem. But we aren't advocating for a return to tradition." As if for all it's obvious and observable benefits "trad" is a dirty word and a bad thing..... You just got done speaking at length about how it's a benefit and works better but you despise the idea so much regardless of it utility as to shy away from it. I'm not sure what I would classify this kind of stance as but it reminds me very much of the technopilic stance that I see so many people adopt today which says for every problem there is a technological solution and more over that for every problem the preferred solution must be technological. Stop being so progressive that you can't see what is right in front of you.

[@Dogheadedchris]

“How do we justify human dignity?” Brett the scientist: “I don’t want to answer that because it doesn’t require an explanation.”

[@mackenshaw8169]

I am glad to hear Bret distinquish between the environment and climate.

[@nancybaumgartner6774]

Absolutely love Bret and Heather . Great conversation. However - human nature never changes. People are - as the Bible describes -weak, evil , selfish , and sinful . It’s why we need God Himself to save us from evil . He did this through Jesus Christ . We are dead in our sins and trespasses and are born at enmity with God . He paid the ransom with His own life so we can a right relationship with God through His sacrifice. God is the same yesterday, today , and forever. Human nature doesn’t change . The only things that change are our fashion and toys .

[@ThomasIverson-o3w]

You never fail to impress with your videos.

[@debblouin]

“Hyper-novelty spiral” Great phrase

[@markrittman2437]

This may sound strange, but I have rediscovered my faith multiple times after it had waned. I have undertaken several extended water-only fasts, refrained from engaging in sexual activities, maintained purity in my thoughts, prayed, and immersed myself in spiritual readings. Like clockwork, on the 29th day of fasting, I consistently experience a connection with God. I believe that those who have never experienced a connection with God may find success by following this method. It is important to exercise caution and possibly consult a healthcare provider while engaging in these practices.

[@johnd2533]

I loved this!! Bravo Dad, Bravo!

[@BellaMarsilioRN]

...Oh My, I just LOVED this! #BlessedBeThee🐦

[@jasonankin744]

What really bothers me about conversations like this is that we never hear of anyone talking about "Natural Law Ethics". Natural law ethics is the ethical foundation of Christianity and it was the application of these ethics that in large part made the west what it was. As Christianity has become weakened our collective ethics have become weakened. If we're going to reform Christianity we have to outgrow the theology and realise that the ethics is what we need to bring back. James 2:14-26

[@6663000]

Brett is totally wrong about the religious stories being "outdated". As an evolutionary biologists, he should know that human nature is unchanging since antiquity. I don't even consider myself to be a particularly religious person, but I still recognize that the biblical stories and biblical morality are fundamental. By their very nature they will never be outdated. Sure you can spend time reinterpreting them in order to understand them properly in our modern context, but the underlying stories are just as relevant now as they have always been... perhaps even moreso given the public's ignorance of them.

[@oneperson5760]

I think Brett and Heather are backed into a corner. If they agree the traditional texts are still valid, then they would have to see LGBT lifestyle and abortion as all wrong, abominations in the eyes of God. I don't think they can make themselves agree with God on this, so they discount the validity of God.

[@daisyviluck7932]

Bret would like to have the benefits of a religious society without having to shoulder any of the responsibilities. His “The Bible doesn’t mention uranium so it can be completely dismissed” schtick is a convenient hand wave. In his defense, Hhe’s not the only one. There’s a bunch of conservative atheists who are caught in this dilemna. Problem is, Christless Christianity is only a bandaid, not a cure

[@johnsallie3181]

Except those morals are just internally human -appropriated externally by religions, then they divide the humans

[@daisyviluck7932]

Yoo toob is removing comments again

[@gracechapel2464]

@@johnsallie3181 Can you explain how they just got to be internally human?

[@ExecutiveZombie]

“The Science” phrase is equivalent to the 80s horror movies that blamed evil on “The Comet.”☄️🎬

[@Namelbmert]

Trust the Voodoo!

[@caracre]

James Lindsey is excellent and complicated at times

[@orihoola]

Generally a great interview. Not sure why the interviewer felt the need to cut off Heather when she was very respectfully expressing her opinion on the human population versus the resources required to express it. I was wondering what the end of her sentence was.

[@scillyautomatic]

18:56 LOL Heather couldn't help but laugh.

[@thedaythatendsinY]

Shame on Heather for referring to the unborn as a "parasite". She should know better from both a scientific and zeitgeist stance.

[@thefishinthemirage]

Heather makes the argument “don’t destroy something until figure out what you’re destroying” 4:30 Brett does just the opposite with religion insisting it be thrown out unless its uselessness can be upgraded. I have long said don’t destroy a person’s religion unless you have something better to replace it with.

[@MaxThomas-l1i]

Great debates from them but now and again he exposes the limitations of his 'liberal'/'progressive' past. I'm not a practicing Christian and supported our secular society ideas (in New Zealand) but now in my late 60's and see we laid the pathway for the now out of hand transhuman push.

[@barbaraseville4139]

Bret doesn’t understand religion’s underlying function*. Chesterton’s Fence. * just a cultural blind spot, not a personal fault.

[@tomasof5291]

Superb discussion but unfortunately Dad doesn’t know much about Catholic Religion, hopefully he will learn one day, and we Catholics believe that Word of Good doesn’t adjust to anything ,it is Word of infinite Wisdom and it is not about rites

[@scottspence9178]

This was outstanding. I applaud you and your guests. Excellent. I would say the response to modernizing religious belief based on the current way of thinking is the problem not the solution. Your guests suggest that orthodoxy is a pattern linked to its time and place and can’t be used outside of that. Those truths, rights of passage for example are processes transferable to any time and place Science and scientists have a place in our world but its amazing to me two extremely intelligent people don’t engage in conversation with intelligent religious people. I am catholic too and you gave a great testimony that fell flat at their feet as to say the science is settled. At the end of the day this was fantastic. Thank you very much

[@2Question-Everything]

Justification for the equal dignity of everyone-BECAUSE THAT IS THE WORLD YOU WANT TO LIVE IN.

[@captainawesome2226]

I studied agricultural science (and graduated). The thing is, you can't say "a little bit of warming here is ok because we are in a cold period". What is ok in one region might be devastating in another, for example an average temperature increase on land might have minimal impact, but the same increase in an aquatic environment like a coral reef would be catastrophic. It's the loss of biodiversity that is the threat, not the warming or cooling itself and there are many causes for biodiversity loss. A changing climate is but one source. Human activity such as logging, agriculture, urban sprawl, over fishing and exploitation of the natural environment impacts biodiversity just as much if not more than climate change, but you generally don't hear about it because of profits and greed. That's why I left the agricultural industry. It's a powerful cartel that has one goal, and it's not to provide people with food. We have the technology and the means to preserve nature and live harmoniously with it. The real cause of biodiversity loss is economic, so in order to preserve what is left we would need to invent a new economic system, which just won't happen. Humanity is far too greedy to save itself unfortunately.

[@maddywilcox9012]

As a mature female i personally fear for everyone but most especially girls and women, with what is occuring around the world at present, the lack of protection afforded women and children, is opening the door for mass abuses, or women going rouge and breaking away from simply being corralled and farmed. We need men to awaken because we like it or lump don't have our voices heard like uz do...

[@dananorth895]

Ideals are nessessary, but like infinity or perfection they can never be fully attained/reached. One still must strive for improvement. In the real world " down in the trenches, or reality" one should never confuse the two. I see people confusing the two all the time, and then calling out their opponents for not having or being "ideal/perfect" which is absurd.

[@michaeldavid6832]

There's a book called Future Shock that describes the psycho-pathologies which one would expect when change becomes extreme and the levels of information a person would have to integrate go parabolic.

[@BramleyStafford]

I would argue that art, science, math, music, any kind of spirituality or religion are, in your terms, 'a lens' into seeking a truth, the one truth we are all seeking. The answer is the same. it is the approach, how we question that truth, that is our argument.

[@MrLaulaulaulau]

Ok 15 minutes into this I actually like it. Heather didn’t pretend gender somehow really exists and used the term role. Now let’s see what Bret does.

[@singerd0697]

Wish I was as articulate as these two

[@mcmosav]

Great video

[@maddywilcox9012]

I believe presently the social contract needs exploring re evaluation and the work of Virginia Held being taken into consideration.

[@MaxThomas-l1i]

Surely a significant aspect of this excellent debate is the critique of Brett's statement (at about 25mins) that our civilisation has been advanced by the creation of the pill and 'freeing up' of women from child birth. Eg Mary Harrington's debates on 'progress' and feminism. Leaving aside the ideas that ALL of THIS is just another arena of created conflict for the plebs while the fleecing of all of us continues at pace!

[@DadSavesAmerica]

I think it’s a question of what is and is not “progress” from a human perspective. And the answer is complicated… and there’s more than one. Material progress is one thing. Progress in psychological/spiritual health and well being is related but distinctly different in kind. And not everything that has empowered the former has been wholly good for the latter.

[@barbaraseville4139]

@@DadSavesAmericawell said!

[@CM-sy3to]

​@@DadSavesAmerica explain how birth control brings prosperity. My husband and I married as teens, he immediately joined the Air Force to get training while earning a living. He used these skills throughout his civilian career and is near retirement age. I had our 10 kids and homeschooled them. They have all been out of the home for over 10 years now. Most are raising their own big families. All make between 80k-300k per year with one income homes. That's a lot of productivity coming from our marriage. My husband's brother stayed in college 10 years for his 4 year degree. He married but they didn't want kids. His wife worked. Together they had a nice life, investments etc. But they are also hitting retirement age. What now? They are bored with traveling since they have always traveled. Me and hubby can now start traveling. And we have 30 grandkids and counting. In a few years we will most likely have great grandchildren because we started our own family young. On a strictly financial basis there is no comparison. And why limit a family to 2 or 3 kids when the mom is staying home? Why not have 5 or 6 or even 12? Being a homemaker doesn't limit women but enriches all facets of their lives.

[@dmbr111]

I'd love to see a respectful debate between Mary Harrington and Bret & Heather. I respect them both deeply and they both bring excellent points to the table. I am conflicted between the 2 positions and a debate with them would be very interesting and I think useful.

[@stefc7122]

There are a lot of reasons to not have kids today and I would have liked to hear more pushback from Bret. As an evolutionary biologist it would be nice if he approached the possibility of our near term extinction due to overshoot and loss of biodiversity instead of simply saying that “the models are trash”. Which models are trash specifically? IPCC models? Sea surface temp models? Loss of biodiversity models? I think it’s possible that he wants to believe they are wrong because he has children and wants grandchildren, etc. He may also be hiding the fact that we are unable to solve climate change because he may think if people knew the truth that mass chaos will ensue and will cause collapse even faster. It’s no different than what the MSM is doing by distracting us with all sorts of divisive rhetoric. Personally though, I think people should be informed especially when making decisions for other people such as we need to do for our children. They don’t have the choice to be here in this mess. Only we can make that choice. I think we should be able to make it an informed one and most young adults have some time to wait. Take an indicator like plastic pollution or world wars or collapse of the food chain, or addiction etc. and every year evaluate whether or not they are improving or getting worse. If the future looks bright then maybe it’s ok to bring up a child or maybe they will decide it isn’t. What’s important imo is to not pressure our youth into having children if they don’t want to do so. It’s not fair to our youth nor the children they most likely won’t be able to take care of in a world that cares more about profit than people and nature which we all depend upon in order to live. Also, I think Bret and Heather know collapse is possible because I recently saw them in another video where they discussed the possibility of collapse with a different host where they discussed it from an evolutionary biological perspective which makes a lot more sense than discussing simply as an emissions issue.

[@Jay-gf8tm]

It looks like you drank too much of the climate propaganda. Antibiotic resistance if far more scary. The first world should be having more children than the 3rd world. Don't buy their bs. Have kids.

[@chrisowen2618]

Have you explored the possibility that climate change , food shortages , gender confusion , the replacement of native population, and the removal of ownership, are all being created to fit a narrative that encompasses population reduction , complete control and coralling of remnant populations , the destruction of national pride, the destruction of countries and of religions.

[@debblouin]

Adulthood is self-ownership.

[@roberth2627]

You should have Robert Sapolsky on your show.

[@thomasjpuleo8112]

All three of these people are socially conservative, and that is fine with me, except that they allow their social conservatism to inflect their scientific views. Why is being generally open to sexual encounter men acting at their worst and being highly choosy women acting at their best? If you take the ‘it takes a village’ philosophy to its reductio ad absurdum or some kind of communist or other collectivist philosophy to its ideologically purest form, the responsibility for the consequences of sexual activity evolve to the state or some other collective body. Richard Dawkins falls into the same trap. This might point to the idea that few if any people are actually purely scientific. Underneath the objectivity there is always a burning passion to exert one’s subjective understanding of how life should be.

[@krs1968dec]

I completely relate to what Jonah says about religion. Really angry with Christians right now, still believe in God, and find that I am still surprised that I take great comfort in the thought that it never changes much.

[@BKNeifert]

No, they drink the water in the book. It just got tamed for the movie. Cannibalism's common among pagan cultures. The water belongs to the tribe, explicitly to nourish them. It's part of Paul's catalyst to becoming a tyrant. That's typical Hollywood. May even be remnants of the Haze Code still being used. Yep, Paul definitely is meant to cannibalize his friend. The water belongs to the victor. They'll probably ruin the ending, too. Paul's the villain, that's what makes Dune a Masterpiece. The point is a conflict of the Ethical with the Moral. That's what the book means. The Ethical is what's universal, and the Moral what's necessary. They weigh and store it as currency. I meant this to go in Genetically Modified Skeptic's video on Dune, but I feel someone may enjoy learning about the novel, here, too.

[@americannightmom183]

Heather, GO OFF. ❤

[@sirriffsalot4158]

1:32:04 I almost lost it when they cut back to Bret and Heather. I was surprised they chose the very diplomatic responses that they gave, to say the least, cause it looks pretty obvious from that cut that they're dying to say something a bit more unwelcome to someone who is that religious, lol!

[@notloki3377]

you and putin should have a competition for world's longest answer (referring to the last one at about 1:30 i jest, i loved it, such raw honesty.

[@tomzeman5964]

All life is perfect, male & female He created them.

[@akichler]

Nobody is willing to say we need to go back to men's and women's roles that we lived by for the last 10,000 years. This says everything you need to know about how we got to this point in the first place, because we all are of mindset that it would terribly for women to go back to being women because that would mean they would be less than not equal in that roll, which is the lie that got us in this mess in the first place. Women are not less than for having babies and tending to families of the human race, it was never true and we must stop caring this idea forward or there won't be a human race to make anybody feel better than or less than because we can not survive with the women. Which makes them pretty dang important and it is about time we start saying it.

[@ClarkPotter]

13:47 "I like dogma." I feel philosophically minded as well, which is why I despise dogma. Almost everything of central significance has at some point been upended and overturned. After the host said this, he has an uphill battle gaining my confidence in him and his thought.

[@tracieschneider1633]

Outstanding! 👏👏👏

[@christwisted]

How you could say there are not too many people on the earth to all eat a proper diet and have a life of meaning is utterly beyond me. Is there enough space, of course but the obstacles in the way and too much.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

I can say it because it’s true. “Too many” is a relative claim. Compared to what? Why? We have 8 billion people and most are living wildly better than the entire planet’s population 200 years ago. Meanwhile, we’ve broadly been doing a BETTER job of returning land to wild, greening the earth, and cleaning the environment in the first world than 100 years ago. We functionally have unlimited resources because humans don’t merely consume. Biologists get this wrong all the time. We create and rearrange. We invent. We substitute. This is why Malthus and Ehrlich all the rest of overpopulation cranks got all of their predictions 180 degree wrong every time.

[@donaldrobertson1808]

Bret has gone off the deep end thinking that successful cultural behavioral adaptations are much more unconstrained than they actually are

[@donaldrobertson1808]

Monogamy is possible, but arguably, has its difficulties, because it doesn't necessarily vary all that much with human sexual instinct

[@kimparke6653]

Can we stop calling children kids ( baby goats) and go back to, young people, teenagers and youth??? Let children be children