If Robert only knew how many lifes he had helped with his work... Thanks a lot
@pdannysan133 жыл бұрын
This year I have been struggling with his book The Laws of Human Nature. I can only read around one of these self-help books a year. I believe it takes time and energy to internalize the messages of these books. And Robert's book is just so much more than a typical make you feel book. It is really a deep dive into human psychology with examples from history and it makes you draw parallels from your own life. A truly tremendous amount of work must have gone into it. Thank you, Robert.
@VaynerSpeakers3 жыл бұрын
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@rogueturtle3 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy I started reading Robert Greene's books when I was 14 years old. Now at age 15 I'm very happy I have a lot of time to re-read all of these books so I can have a deeper knowledge of this information. I look forward to getting my hands on the Daily Laws and enjoy reading it.
@greengame97133 жыл бұрын
At age 14. You're going places
@jalonkickz38593 жыл бұрын
Hey @PotatoTree, I'm around your age group and I've been a little hesitant to purchase some of Greene's works. I've done my research and I've heard best of both worlds. As a 15 year old does Greene's work fall in relevance in your daily life? Thank you.
@rogueturtle3 жыл бұрын
@@jalonkickz3859 Yeah I find in social situations, expeshaly when dealing with drama, it gives makes things so much easier because you get an elevated perspective and your able to find better salutations. Not only that, but using books like the 48 Laws of Power you can use the stradigies to gain a lot of respect and social power around your peers.
@VaynerSpeakers3 жыл бұрын
🎉
@gideonmuriumwangi1207 Жыл бұрын
I love Robert Green, he's phenomenon.. i like him more especially after the stroke.. he bounced back stronger and better..😮
@andilekaj23583 жыл бұрын
Robert Greene is the Grandmaster. I hope is is healthy, strong and in good spirits. People like Robert are a rare breed in humanity.
@VaynerSpeakers3 жыл бұрын
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@RobertGreeneOfficial3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the interview
@Santiino3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting conversation. You should get a verification so we can recognise you easier on youtube
@ngadv2933 жыл бұрын
Your conversations with Ryan are so insightful, I believe he has such a broad background in history that can match some of your knowledge
@refilwerammidi1379 Жыл бұрын
I started with the 48 laws of power and I fell in love. Read 4 of your books so far and I subscribed to your channel. Thank you for sharing your wisdom Robert Greene ❤
@refilwerammidi1379 Жыл бұрын
I read the 48 laws of power first and I fell in love with Robert Greene❤
@wongel39503 жыл бұрын
Robert Greene is one of my fav Author, unfortunately he has been battling he stroke that took a toll on his health but he continues to fight and live through his work ethic and book! Much love to the great!
@conversationcorner18373 жыл бұрын
If you observe him speaking, you can see that he thinks before he speaks and thinks carefully about what he says.
@nimbusspacewagon2 жыл бұрын
Robert Greene and Ryan Holiday are two great philosophers of our time. I have been working Ryan's Daily Stoic Journal for over a year now, and it has changed my life. Now, I have added Robert's new Daily Laws to my daily journal process as I loop back on the Daily Stoic Journal for another year. It will double the time I spend on the daily journal, but I consider that time well spent. So far, it is interesting how Robert and Ryan's books both sync up on a daily basis - Like Ryan said, that is likely because I am seeing what I need to see in in my personal life... Robert and Ryan are two sides of the same coin, with Ryan's inspirational Stoicism meeting Robert's aspirational pragmatism, both meeting in the middle. Thanks Ryan and Robert. Your partnership over the years has helped so many across all over your works.
@duanenavarra20393 жыл бұрын
I think it is courageous to stand up for religious and medical freedom. Robert Greene is right, it's a matter of perspective.
@nathanmoulson75523 жыл бұрын
Ryan it would be beneficial if you were able to improve the audio quality of the podcast. It sounds as though I’m listening to a really engaging conversation in a public bathroom. Directional or shotgun mics would be a game changer for the experience.
@samar14623 жыл бұрын
Agree
@davidarbelaez43953 жыл бұрын
Big deal
@Tron2473 жыл бұрын
On the podcast version of this, Ryan states that this was an impulse interview. Robert Greene was just visiting Ryan and they happened to just start talking about the book which led to this, hence the bad audio.
@RobbenBanks1533 жыл бұрын
@@Tron247 excuses!
@GregRichardson19763 жыл бұрын
Yawn. Come here looking for insight. Leave comments moaning about the audio. Really don’t understand the core of what we’re tackling here do you…..stoicism my friends. Less you tube comments more actions
@pixelart01243 жыл бұрын
Conversations between Ryan Holiday and Robert Greene are always my favorite. They're most enjoyable and engaging.
@VaynerSpeakers3 жыл бұрын
👌
@liambeatz31583 жыл бұрын
Ryan is so happy whenever he’s around Robert
@raymondtendau27493 жыл бұрын
True.You can feel the Master and student Relationship and its just lovely how Humble Ryan always is.🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
@mat70833 жыл бұрын
Ryan: You’ve all bled with Robert. Now, BLEED with me!! 🗡
@VaynerSpeakers3 жыл бұрын
♥
@dabidoe3 жыл бұрын
Ryan is obeying "bow to the master" by having his book bowing down to Robert's book.
@dabidoe3 жыл бұрын
*don't outshine the master w/e lol
@pano63913 жыл бұрын
@@charliecho5392 nah it's obvious but what does it matter anyway
@henrikadewell77113 жыл бұрын
Over reading often leads to misreading, and steer the conv towards a unecessary direction.
@True382 жыл бұрын
That is actually a nice subtle touch right there XD Robert is definitely the Master and Ryan is playing his part.
@rodrigoayala90513 жыл бұрын
Courage does not apply only to people who are doing what you like or think is right. It is more about following your own core values and what you think is right, despite the risks and negative social or phisical consequences. I believe that nurse is courageous.
@andydufresne2993 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful dialogue. The last 20 minutes especially stimulated my mind in a positive way. I particularly loved Mr Greene's explanation of 'Amor Fati'. This has been a very insightful video that I will save and return to from time to time. Thank you, Ryan and Robert. Peace.
@rschmidtzalles3 жыл бұрын
You guys woke me up and I feel stronger than ever. Specifically “The obstacle is the way” by Ryan and “48 Laws of Power” by Mr. Greene
@donblack15713 жыл бұрын
Robert Greene is a hero.
@devonrumpel3 жыл бұрын
I always appreciate when Ryan and Robert speak about their craft and upcoming books. Such a treat. And very inspiring. Also, Robert's personal stories in The Daily Laws are indeed fantastic. Thanks for this!
@stewartxp24003 жыл бұрын
Robert Greene is the wounded healer and a wise man. He's like the modern day version of a noble advisor, I could see him wearing a cloak and standing there providing insight into some concerning situation for a troubled person.
@CRFSUIGENERIS3 жыл бұрын
Well said. A lot of writers are smart, but few are this wise and warm. He’s an unselfish man with genuine heart to help humanity with his intellect that sees the patterns. A true mentor for any soul in front of him.
@sirphilipgreen3 жыл бұрын
Wow, what a great discussion about courage and conformity around 27:00 onwards
@osep558110 ай бұрын
GREAT Listen. Thank you both
@tammy6452 Жыл бұрын
Like the content of the video and also love the fact that while you listen, you can imagine yourself being able to sit on a chair just across from them at this angle and listen. Cemetaries have different meanings in different situations. My mother told me of having grown up poor in a very large city the cemetaries were the place where she could go that there were vast amounts of grass and trees.
@shahriyarkalhor3 жыл бұрын
Dude I have read all his books at least twice... And in fact I think one should at least read them twice...! Roberts content is priceless... I think the world needs junctures and new methods, ideas for studying and exercising . We live in such times that we wasted a great period of our times doing nothing.... For an example, time wasted in traffic...tv... Driving to the gym 😂 that's the most rediculas one...and so on... I personally ride my bicycle and listen to Roberts audiobooks it's like total meditation, entertainment, enlightenment...and exercise for my body soul and mind... People need to be though and understood that their isn't a multivitamin and easy fix to all the shit that's out their in life... An when someone has condensed and gathered all this great content for us.. the least that we can do is to find freaking 1 hour time per day to read or listen.. I think Robert should writer his next book on this topic!! The art of ...... !? Hope this last book covers it 🙂. Can wait till I read it We truly live in times in which we are drawing in information and dieing from the lack of wisdom..and know how of finding ourselves in these fast changing times.. This was meant to be a comment 😝😂 not a freaking article 😂😃 Sorry hehehe 😂
@nicholaskearney6782 жыл бұрын
Great men, of honest influence. Me, love my stoic path, despite the past. The past? Where is it now? Go forward human,and enjoy you. Nicko New Zealand.
@guitarinmartin Жыл бұрын
Courage is willingness to sacrifice something if necessary. That's why it's so rare.
@__somnii3 жыл бұрын
Thank you especially for that last bit on Amor Fati. Really needed to hear it. And congrats on the new books my dudes!
@bostonbrown64963 жыл бұрын
Thank you for what you do Mr. Greene, started my day with Daily laws this morning.
@later_daze_40803 жыл бұрын
Vinyl collection looks pretty respectable!
@jordanerdman903 жыл бұрын
I feel like Ryan should remember he is teaching lessons to guide us not absolute rules. Courage and what is right is defined within us, history may prove some to be standing on the wrong side that does not mean they did not have courage to stand in the first place. Even as a person who probably wouldn’t be welcomed in the civil war south the men who fought and led had courage, that’s undeniable.
@wisewina2 жыл бұрын
The next thing you going to say is that 'the good is in all of us' like a careless naturalist of 'highest nobility', if I were to give rules from my rule book I'll will tell you to rather say 'truth is that, even a sociopath, psychopath, serial killer etc. have an innate potential of being good or courageous' but I think you might prefer to say 'we were all born good, courageous etc' which has a great point but that can be carelessly spiritualized and mislead. Now I argue with myself and tell you that I know you do not really believe what you say about the 'rule book', and that's just my claim; and I go on to forge you to rather try to be about courage as in **your** deepest heart, and then you could go further and embrace limits of our perceptions and understanding. Right here, I think they did an amazing job to synthesize our foamy reality.
@GIJake-oo9ir3 жыл бұрын
Loving these figting analogies. As a boxer I convince myself I'm invincible until I get the ring I'm terrified which makes me more aware. So far I'm 2 - 0
@azhaanebrahim48873 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ryan holiday for this amazing interview you two are my favourite authors Amor fati is my favourite idea from your books not just to accept life but to love the hand you been dealt and turn everything into fuel we don't choose what happened to us what but we choose how we respond there lies our power keep up the amazing work thank you😁🙌🏼💯👍🏽
@ninevaliant85833 жыл бұрын
I know this is a Daily Stoic video but the title of the video implies that it is an interview with Robert Greene. However, Ryan spoke about 80% of the time and Robert spoke maybe 20%. This is why I miss professional journalism- they knew how to focus on the subject they are interviewing. On these KZbin platforms, the host usually spends equal amount of time or more time chiming in and talking about themselves. I didn’t play the video to listen to you- I came here to listen to the guest… in this case Robert Greene. It seems like Ryan broke the first law of power and was attempting to outshine the master by talking about and trying to impress us with everything he knew.
@zarifrasul79423 жыл бұрын
I also noticed, especially in the first few minutes, that when Robert Greene was speaking, Ryan seemed like he was thinking about what he was going to say next rather than listen to his guest.
@aramuses3 жыл бұрын
Felt the same!
@joseph42s3 жыл бұрын
It’s hard to do both. Ryan speaks for a living basically, so I imagine that this is a bit of a blind spot for him. This is good feedback though, hope he takes on the challenge!
@pkmessick3 жыл бұрын
I look at it more of a conversation than an interview…
@bryguy073 жыл бұрын
Didn’t feel like writing it out, but you basically summed it all up nicely.. “Ego is the enemy” yet much of what I hear him talk about comes directly from his ego. He has great material, not taking that away.. but damn.. it’s not always about you.. listen a little bit more..
@KyleKranz3 жыл бұрын
Just ordered the daily laws, I'll probably save it for the new year but I'll have it when I'm ready :-)
@wendyplear823 жыл бұрын
Great idea!
@KyleKranz3 жыл бұрын
@@wendyplear82 Thanks :) Are you going to buy it, Wendy?
@nourhanebn693 жыл бұрын
Two of my fav wisest modern men ever ❤
@VaynerSpeakers3 жыл бұрын
💯
@skionen17813 жыл бұрын
Awesome!!! book. I just picked up a copy of the daily laws today at my local Barns & Nobles. really enjoying his books
@GameScenes4K3 жыл бұрын
Why is nobody talking about the red rash in his eye, I hope he's in good health.
@Johnwilkinsonofficial3 жыл бұрын
you should see the other guy
@susanbyron64993 жыл бұрын
He's had a stroke and some serious health issues... wishing this prolific author every opportunity for full recovery and well-being.
@davidarbelaez43953 жыл бұрын
Why does that matter?
@hassanosman35103 жыл бұрын
@@davidarbelaez4395 it matters alot to know, knowing someone situation can help you remember to pray for him nor her
@bed76103 жыл бұрын
He had eye surgery, not sure what for
@difigo19452 жыл бұрын
43:15 reason of reading older books
@jellygurl273 жыл бұрын
Interesting he said he did not experience success until he was 38. Steve Harvey said the same thing. 38 must be a magic number for men.
@johnmwangi87063 жыл бұрын
Some truth
@Francisco_Manos3 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to reading this book. All of Mr. Greene's books have been illuminating.
@orsotheshadowspear74243 жыл бұрын
I like to learn new thing's.Here different perspective's,stories and beliefs.When people start trying to Illumimate me though it's makes me want to stab them.
@jamesledger88292 жыл бұрын
Yes wrap it up!
@kaptainh55383 жыл бұрын
Ryan - Say less than Necessary , young buck .. Listen to the Master . Robert Green .
@im_that_guy3 жыл бұрын
36:03 I'm glad Robert called you out here because you have decided to be the arbiter in this situation based on your own subjective opinion. Not what the teacher felt they needed to do, based on their own principles.
@DrProgNerd3 жыл бұрын
Great interview. Just ordered his book.
@Clydeus3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Just what I needed before going to sleep.
@stopmocking2 жыл бұрын
I love and admire Robert Greene. He and his books have been incredibly inspirational to me. I am so grateful for his wisdom.
@KingOFFLINE3 жыл бұрын
Is Ryan Holiday on the spectrum?
@lindonnikprelaj54033 жыл бұрын
Robert Greene was helping connor mcgregor train for his fight
@Starshot12982 жыл бұрын
What’s the song in the beginning
@aaronwimberleymbamsf57763 жыл бұрын
Great meditation to start the day=] Also, a great start to international stoicism week.
@Booster853 жыл бұрын
2 great minds in one room 👏
@VaynerSpeakers3 жыл бұрын
💯
@AA-hb6sc3 жыл бұрын
Greene is a true Grand Master Strategist. I personally don't like Ryan Holiday, he is a copycat. I read his books and he copied Greene's style. He was aggressive and looked insecure in the beginning of this interview. Somebody should remind him that it is not about promoting his books and passive-aggressively attacking Greene. This book is a great synthesis of his work and he wanted to make it more accessible to people.
@fibrofog37263 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure Greene mentored Holiday in a way, he references him constantly and usually refers to him as one of the major figures that got him to where he is, I'm not too surprised they're similar in style, but I don't think it's 'copying', more 'inspired by'. Might be wrong though.
@UMNightlife3 жыл бұрын
The 49th law is known only to Robert, who will use it on his opponents.
@khariboy95373 жыл бұрын
Love this man
@utsavop34182 күн бұрын
14:05 - ROBERT ON STEPHAN KING.
@ahaanamaan71503 жыл бұрын
Robert is like the proud mentor who saw his apprentice grow to this level
@bennyballard62193 жыл бұрын
Courage is independent of virtue. Both the good and bad show courage at times
@heronchambers38243 жыл бұрын
Must have daily videos.
@OGCOPELAND3 жыл бұрын
Robert is the best dating coach there is 😂 it all translates in any area of life really
@VaynerSpeakers3 жыл бұрын
😂
@giancarlo_films3 жыл бұрын
Get lav mics. Thanks
@Anas-qv3wm3 жыл бұрын
That music in the beginning. what is it ?
@sickindividualelectrolytes53363 жыл бұрын
Ryan is being mentored luv itt
@jay679373 жыл бұрын
I know authors don't take requests but I would love a Robert Greene book just on alive time vs dead time.
@Nathan-ls4xt3 жыл бұрын
Cat's tail at the bottom right of the screen at 07:53 Here kitty kitty!
@gilbertvillanos25263 жыл бұрын
What happened to Robert greene left eye? First the stroke than this?
@jayanthgurramkonda56953 жыл бұрын
Robert greene ❤️
@warrenbertrand2902 жыл бұрын
Greene: Can you make sure the camera gets my good side? Holiday: Sure, sure...
@donblack15713 жыл бұрын
Saw Ryan look like he’s twitchy and looking impatient to say something and wondering why he almost looks like he’s tweaking. Realized I left the speed at 1.25 speed.
@mertcakir6613 жыл бұрын
Why does Greene have the red swollen eyebag on the left and all the other things? Is he well?
@dailypro20233 жыл бұрын
I love this!
@ZiplineShazam3 жыл бұрын
I wish I lived in a world where "positive affirmations" were absolutely unnecessary
@truenorthaffirmations70493 жыл бұрын
Make power a habit. Make it your creed stronger Sharper solar
@rodgerbane38253 жыл бұрын
Maybe I missed something. 40 laws of power seemed..... flat out evil to me. When was "The Daily laws" published? It dosen't show up on his list of published works.
@deathdeathington3 жыл бұрын
Machiavelli already did "Use religion."
@Dust4Vomit3 жыл бұрын
Could you have sat to his left?
@KarmasAbutch3 жыл бұрын
I feel like I’m trapped in a University washroom at lunch time unable to leave because the door is blocked by some mouthpiece trying to outshine our Professor and I don’t want to be rude in case the Professor is enjoying this. But WHERE IS THE CONTENT ABOUT DAILY PRACTISE …. Please. Because I have things to do…
@Davidcorner1113 жыл бұрын
the audio lol
@550w53 жыл бұрын
So good
@Lost_In_LA3 жыл бұрын
Thinking of the sponsor-I wonder if there is any concern that Athletic Greens contains spirulina blue-green algae.
@SpidermanInLondon3 жыл бұрын
Robert's cat 🐈⬛
@serveemall33783 жыл бұрын
What happened with his eye? is he okay?
@raymondtendau27493 жыл бұрын
He had stroke after writing his previous book the Laws of Human Nature.We pray for his full recovery moving forward.His works has been a guide for some of us in a very tight situations.Get well soon Mr.Robert.🙏🏾
@serveemall33783 жыл бұрын
@@raymondtendau2749 Most of us know about that. But he had the stroke in 2018. This thing with his eye is recent, as the recording is recent.
@raymondtendau27493 жыл бұрын
@@serveemall3378 oh kk...sorry about that.i don't know about his eye🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
@gracefitzgerald22273 жыл бұрын
He had minor surgery for his vision or eye. He explains it in another video. No one punches out the author of the 48 laws of Power.😊
@jamief88363 жыл бұрын
Very sad to hear Ryan imply that a person standing for something THEY feel is important isn't courageous... it is absolutely a matter of perspective and personal. Because YOU believe the virus is the worst thing ever in history does NOT mean everyone does... and SOME people do not want injections as a " savior " of Self or OTHER. Much respect to both Authors. I have been a fan of both.
@nemtom203 жыл бұрын
Exactly, I was so shocked when Ryan said a couple weeks/months ago on instagram that people who do not take this experimental vaccine deserve to be treated poorly and be discriminated against. Goes so much against what one would think he stands for based on his daily posts.
@oakinwol3 жыл бұрын
@@nemtom20 standing up for yourself selfishly isn't courageous. It's selfish. Being willing to take on difficulty or fear for others, that's courageous. I'm a pharmacist, the vaccine is no more experimental then getting a brand new virus that your body has never dealt with. The virus killed or caused the premature expiration of 600k people in the US, and the vaccine definitely hasn't. I work at a hospital and we were exhausted, while so many called us liars and simply did not care to become vaccinated to decrease their likelihood of coming to the hospital. Now that cases are down I don't think it should be mandated, but when hospitals were full then it was just truly selfish to not get vaccinated, at least the J&J, which was based on standard, basic vaccine technology
@ehrenthompson78913 жыл бұрын
@@oakinwol well said
@ehrenthompson78913 жыл бұрын
Being a stoic is about taking care of your fellow humans and understanding that circumstances are bigger than what you may believe; especially when the science says different.
@theblackswan183 жыл бұрын
What happened to Robert's eye?
@welshreaver3 жыл бұрын
Someone just mentioned he had a stroke so maybe a fall?
@ascensionbias7528 Жыл бұрын
Wow...some of the views didn't age well.
@piercethehans22393 жыл бұрын
43:16
@deaglefly43383 жыл бұрын
This set looks uncomfortable. Two separate chairs slightly facing each other would be more comfortable and in turn allow better conversation
@raymondtendau27493 жыл бұрын
The 49th Law of power is "you do not talk about the laws of power".There is a reason why Robert greene decided to leave it out.Dont go running your mouth about the cool manipulative techniques found in the book.You will only draw resentment upon yourself. MY QUESTION:How true is the above statement.??I read it randomly from a site.However,never seen Robert make mention of it anywhere in his podcasts or videos.I hope he or Ryan responds to this.I will be really glad.🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
@bobgoodnoe45833 жыл бұрын
Was this guy interviewing himself? Good lord. He needs to re-read some of Robert’s books and do some self-assessment . (chuckle)
@kennethgalan68433 жыл бұрын
What happen to sir Robert’s eye sir ryan?
@chrisabram84163 жыл бұрын
So does thisbguy actually follow the laws of power? Or is the point to be aware of them? Not ready the book but the ones I have seen are not the kind of rules I would want to live by
@bodybydre14703 жыл бұрын
It’s about awareness. You need to learn how to fight to avoid fighting. Bullies usually fight ppl they know they can beat and most ppl manipulate those they know they can control, once you learn how to fight , the likelihood of you being bullied goes down by a lot. The more you know about manipulation, the less likely you are to be manipulated
@wendyplear823 жыл бұрын
My son(16) asked for the book ( the 48 laws of power" and I bought it for him. I have read through all of the laws and was kind of scratching my head... Asking myself, Do I want him(16yi) to read this? I read Something that said it isn't a book that is allowed in jails. So thanks Body By Dre for your comment to help me understand the why behind this book or the proper perspective of it's good use in life and to Chris Abram for your concern as well. It helps to frame things. I didn't realize it would link my back to Ryan. The book didn't seem to stoic but we chose to let our last child out of 6 find himself and walk according to his own interests in this life. Funny how life flows lol.
@gomez433 жыл бұрын
Greene & Holiday are like Jordan & Kobe
@williamtsanders3 жыл бұрын
did my man Bobby Greene get in a fight?
@4twindad3 жыл бұрын
2 icons
@thearchangel98353 жыл бұрын
The eye!?!?? What happened to his eye???
@barbaradace79523 жыл бұрын
Hey, don’t shoo away the cat! We wanted to get its point of view on the subject... ;-)
@dezzmand1233 жыл бұрын
Ryan be quiet damn let the master talk
@JPBotero7173 жыл бұрын
I don't know why Robert does not look to me powerful, seductive or a strategist
@jaylenhutton46403 жыл бұрын
Looks can be deceiving!
@praveenbabukommu24653 жыл бұрын
Reed his book laws of human nature to understand why he behaves that way
@mark86253 жыл бұрын
Oh shit, the left eye club. Who gave him a black eye.
@jmt21923 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I think it was probably something to do with healing from his stroke. He definitely seems a lot stronger and healthier overall now compared to immediately post-stroke.
@mark86253 жыл бұрын
@@jmt2192 time will tell. Narratives are easily excepted, what were told and shown is what we believe.
@LuIsSaNcHeZ5102 жыл бұрын
Your channel has been a massive value in my life, but take a “stoic” look at vaccine science. Dr. Drew has been extremely courageous when it comes to talking about the science with other doctors who have lost their jobs just for speaking about the scientific evidence.
@brantcunningham43333 жыл бұрын
Courage gets lumped with honor Wich has people killed on the road to the wrong side of history . Nobody wants that .
@dhi20063 жыл бұрын
Slow down Ryan, stick to your philosophy. I know your young and excited, but stop and THINK