EP29 The Handmaidens of the Apocalypse

[@HerpeGonnorSyphilAids]

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[@vercingetorixavernian8978]

Lol “Danny boy”

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[@GHatzis-g8t]

My dopamine is shot from carnal pleasures

[@happypuppie]

Dan’s stuff is always the best! Thank you sir!

[@tomnps1671]

Ms. Jacobsen is a top author on the US intelligence community.

[@thomasmitchell4128]

My heart absolutely does a cartwheel whenever I see a new Dan Carlin joint has been released. I don't know a better way to say it

[@alexdockrill]

It's always a good day with a new Dan drop!

[@krisspkriss]

Such an appropriate time to discuss these things. We need some level heads getting this back into the minds of Americans. Thanks Dan!

[@HonorableBeniah-A]

Thankfully the adults are back in charge. Could you imagine 45 handling the current situation?

[@r.s.richey9956]

sigh, ya spoke too soon I'm afraid

[@thomastaylorjr.6366]

Annie Jacobsen is amazing, her work has revealed a lot of wtf dark and mysterious information. Really cool to hear Dan chat her up!

[@RebelVsRebel]

I found her audiobook Phenomenon on KZbin... I can't find it anywhere now...she knows EXACTLY HOW INSANE this is..how it all works

[@vaiker.]

@@RebelVsRebelit’s all on audible, Amazon prime subscribers get a free book per month I’m pretty sure. Used several of my credits on her stuff

[@foopus]

Thank you Dan, your work has educated me across millennia of history and a decade of my life. You have my sincere gratitude 🙏🏽

[@ThatswhatsupTWU]

Literally watched Lex and Anne’s interview today and now this amazingness

[@ottoginafiel5468]

Lex is a mossad construct

[@GAB-vq7re]

I could binge watch Dan Carlin and The Why Files all damn day. Just wanted to share that is all thank you.

[@Scientist_Salarian]

Why Files, hell yeah.

[@MachielSchrijver]

What's why files?

[@GAB-vq7re]

@MachielSchrijver A tv production quality yt page about all kinds of conspiracies. Page is called The Why Files. I cannot recommend it enough. It's so well researched and is literally one of the best pages on KZbin. Check it out if your into that kind of stuff. It's up to 4 mil subs so they're doing something right!

[@GAB-vq7re]

@@MachielSchrijver It's one of the greatest show on all of KZbin. It's truly one of a kind with how top notch the quality and presentation is. Show goes into everything from mk ultra to ufos to ancient mythologies and goes into some of the more goofy and fun conspiracies as well as real ones. I cannot understate how good it is. If you enjoy the stories that Dan weaves together you will love this channel! Give "The Why Files" a chance you won't be disappointed!

[@TheRandomOne911]

A youtuber who talks about conspiracies, aliens, hollow earth, etc. He'll present the story as it's usually told and then debunk what he can from it while giving food for thought. Seems like a cool guy

[@Shamman_komanch]

Just finished the book on Audible and here's my favourite Podcaster/interviewer with more. Nice

[@JabbaTheAmerican]

I did as well, absolutely fantastic and relentless in driving home just how bad it's going to go the day someone presses the button

[@markb8468]

Did she do the narration for the audio book? She does have a lovely voice.

[@Shamman_komanch]

@@markb8468 Yeah she did, i like her voice also.

[@assassinactual1]

The GOAT is back!

[@kernthorpe864]

This author's own words undermine her credibility. One minute she is talking about SSBNs then 5 minutes later she has forgotten them completely and claims the US doesn't have ICBMs that could hit NK without them overflying Russia. The land based stuff is irrelevant. The USN could park a SSBN 50 miles from Pyongyang and the Dear Leader would never know. Later she doubled down, stating that this was a "huge hole in our national security". My Spidey Sense says someone pushing for longer range land based missiles that nobody needs spun her this silly scenario that anyone with access to a map could see through by observing the proximity of NK to both the Sea of Japan and the Yellow Sea.

[@Connor8609]

Fucking exactly, the sheer stupidity of that leap in logic in successive order was hilarious.

[@NickFrom1228]

Nailed it.

[@Hiraeth-zq8ze]

What did you expect she is a journalist after all

[@justinsmith4157]

Journalist doing what a journalist does.

[@DanBlackburn-jh5ro]

An additional problem with her logic is her statement that an ssbn is undetectable until it “returns to port.” We have known for at least 30 years that a sub-launched missle immediately gives away the submarine’s position and since they can only fire one at a time a sub can only get of maybe as many as a half dozen before an incoming nuc takes out the sub. (It can’t move fast enough to get away) Why have a boat with 90 ssbnms ?

[@masterofallhesurveys]

Love to see you are back. Total respect for your work.

[@TheRumbles13]

You're the best Dan please don't ever stop what you do! Massive fan from Canada.

[@ricktalbot1995]

Heck ya. Everyone buy some merch so Dan can keep this up forever!!!!

[@Rudi-xd1bp]

I love Annie Jacobsen ! Especially the fact that she reads her own books with that soothing and soft voice.

[@dutchmiracles]

Oh man, I wasn't expecting this one. Thank you so much Dan, your podcasts are amazing for during chores and trying to fall asleep. Absolutely awesome, keep up the excellent work❤

[@jimcameron9848]

It's 2 am here in Mexico. Its time...time for the hard-core history!!!

[@IrfanKhan1]

Made my day. Thanks Dan

[@krempelritter9950]

Great video!!! For my taste she was your most interesting guest so far.

[@Briskl]

@DanCarlin Comment and question: First - fantastic as usual! I love your interviews and perspectives, especially on nuclear weapons/war. You’ll always be the GOAT. Second - have you ever considered doing videos? I’d love to actually see these sit downs or video calls! I think it’d be fantastic. Keep up the great work! As a student of history and contemporary military, I’ve learned so much from you. Blueprint of Armageddon is still my favorite podcast series hands down!

[@SecretMarsupial]

And here i was thinking we wouldnt hear from you in months. What a treat

[@Shinsei01]

The authro's supposition that an American counter attack on North Korean would require an ICBM and not simply a sub based launch from the pacific so as to antagonize Russia seems like a end of the spectrum poor choice for the US president who by the author's own admission has a menu of retaliator options available to him. While it may make for a impactful story telling mechanism how many sub-optimal choices does the author really need to string together in order to make the book work, as if real nuclear launches aren't bad enough.

[@AS-gz8oe]

I noted that too, given she not long prior to this mentioned how much shorter the window of action would be from a submarine based attack.

[@NickFrom1228]

Indeed. She had so many issues I started making a post to list them but had to give up half way through the video so I didn't end up writing a book of my own.

[@paigezuccarini3967]

Longest sentence ever

[@jmass4207]

While I’m guessing that would be the utilized option I doubt anyone would admit that concretely to a journalist. So it ‘could happen’.

[@workingguy-OU812]

Moreover, I'm GenX, so I've already deakt with dying any millisecond due to nuclear war for decades on end. It's really not book worthy at this point.

[@btw6301]

Your most important subject Dan. Thank you. Clockwork Orange force this message into the ears and eyes of all the people foaming at the mouth for a war they can't even imagine.

[@thomasdurham7978]

Holy shit 2 new episodes now? What a good way to start my day. Thank you Dan!

[@OnniPaints]

As always, Thank you Dan!

[@miked2232]

"In a real scenario, that acting president isn't going to be a 92-year-old man." I don't know if this quote is gonna hold up, the way things are going.

[@discordantduck1808]

they'll hypothesise endlessly about a NK situation but will never ask if a subverted democracy that has installed nominal leadership serving interests besides those of the voters might pursue an escalatory war path on an unrelated note, the USA is currently occupying a third of Syria, selling arms to saudi, and the list goes on for quite a while.

[@Reiman33]

​@discordantduck1808 Syria is a failed state so who cares? At the end of the day there is no such thing as escalation unless it is a direct conflict with a parity power. Name a single desert nation with parity to the US? Maybe Iran? There is no nuclear war possible unless america is struck first. Given there is no power that could hope to win in a first strike, there is nothing to worry about. Let me reiterate: unless you are speaking of scifi story level of nonsense like an american president launching a first strike for no reason, there is no enemy to america that can facilitate MAD. Without that, no nuclear war.

[@compassioncampaigner728]

Look at the colossal threat quietly standing just off stage and effectively looming over us. Now. Look at the individuals who can influence or control the unleashing of these horrors: ....ButcherBiden ....Antony Blinken ....the orange ape ....Lloyd Austin .....Tillerson .....Pompeo ....Bibi Netanyahu ....Kim Jung IL ....the amorphous, faceless, little known leadership at NATO Anyone have any confidence in our longevity ?

[@Tim9460-o9t]

Nice bedtime listen. I just hope it takes me out instantly. I have no desire to live as a hunter gatherer. Sweet dreams and hopefully peace.

[@MyYTaccountName]

Thanks for everything you do, Dan. Your thought provoking content is just what I need when winding down for the night.

[@CL-kn1rq]

Bless you Dan and team 🎉🎉🎉

[@Niko-bb4bg]

Really loved this. Such a smooth, informative conversation with depth to it. Thank you both.

[@ArabicNameGuy]

The most eye-opening thing for me is apparently the average American doesn't know it could all end, horribly, in a matter of minutes. That sure explains why we live the way we do

[@INTEG17]

I feel like most Americans live like they are aware, even though they comically aren't.

[@PaigeWayland-r1d]

Recently I watched a lecture series on Prime about pre-Inca cultures in the Andes. It described an ancient urban culture that lasted a couple thousand years. The amazing thing was that there were no defensive walls around the cities, and no evidence of warfare. It was the most hopeful thing I have ever heard

[@AS-gz8oe]

Should it be? Given that those people were wiped out by the ruthless, inhumane actions of our current over-seers perhaps you should rethink what about it is so inspiring to you

[@jakeb3157]

Personally I think it would take more than just an absence of evidence of warfare to support the notion of an entire civilization was completely without it. It's a bit like telling me there's no evidence that they spoke, I think it's still a much safer bet that they did. We are almost certainly the least violent, most politically unified human beings in the history of the world, unless the Atlantians show up. If there are conditions in which human beings can live peaceably we are much closer to those conditions than ever we have been. I think we easily beat any of our ancestors in regards to any metrics that I would imagine make peace easier, extreme material abundance, highly unified and stable political units on a scale our ancestors couldn't imagine, relatively clear lines of authority, unprecedented cultural exchange, mutual respect and knowledge, technologies of communication that allow people across the planet to communicate. Yet we still have wars, so I'd say a bunch of dudes who can't just call the police when someone is bothering them probably fought quite a bit more.

[@PaigeWayland-r1d]

Yes, it does take more than an absence of evidence to determine whether this culture had no warfare. I would recommend the lecture series because it was very convincing. I'm 62, and believed that war is the human condition. That is why I was so impressed

[@compassioncampaigner728]

Convetsely.......... Look at the colossal threat quietly standing just off stage and effectively looming over us. Now. Look at the individuals who can influence or control the unleashing of these horrors: ....ButcherBiden ....Antony Blinken ....the orange ape ....Lloyd Austin .....Tillerson .....Pompeo ....Bibi Netanyahu ....Kim Jung IL ....the amorphous, faceless, little known leadership at NATO Anyone have any confidence in our longevity ? Given your point, I think we have de-evolved.

[@playtoyx]

This was haunting. Well done.

[@i_dream_of_memes]

As the child of parents who went through the Cuban missile crisis- this was the most horrifying thing I've ever heard. It's never been more real the gun that has been pointed at all of our heads our whole lives than now! Many thanks to the author here for spoiling her book, I think it had the intended effect.

[@harryfeuerbach6472]

Thank you, Dan

[@JayBrown-z9b]

Another fascinating episode but I just wished they touched on Israel’s arsenal and the likelihood of them using it

[@darnchacha1632]

There are some criticisms you could lay on the author about technical aspects of her scenario, plenty of people have mentioned it in the comments so I'm not going to reiterate, I would caution them to remember though that the igniter of this whole scenario, The Bolt out of the Blue attack is not in debate, that is a scenario that can happen, I would also remind the critics that the ICBM response might be technically a suboptimal response but with a decision window under 10 minutes, it's not a hard stretch to imagine a sub optimal response being ordered. Change the scenario around as much as you want the primary statement the scenario is trying to make stands, We still exist in an Era of extreme risk from nuclear weapons. I think the wierd hostility against somone for being a journalist as if somehow being that profession justifies dismissing legitimate concerns is the actions of very immature minds.

[@fujibosco]

Dan Carlin. You’re the man!

[@TheFistytheCLown]

That was a great conversation. Thanks as always

[@vifee3408]

I read Nuclear War: A Scenario in one sitting after listening to this. Incredible and terrifying book. There's a couple 'just-so' moments that ensure that the situation continuously worsens that do not feel entirely plausible, but the idea that the fate of the entire world can rest on, say, whether or not the President of the United States can get in contact with the President of Russia in the next ten minutes, is utterly terrifying.

[@jlv11b]

Came here from Rogan mentioning you on his interview with Sebastian Junger.

[@Netotrefirefem]

Loved the episode! Great stuff as allways, Dan.

[@aydenkallevig659]

Hell yeah! Glad to see this

[@TonyAguilarFigure-atively]

Thanks for the interview and book recommendation. I just finished the book on Audible and enjoyed it.

[@rustygoldentv4049]

Thanks for the new show 🎉❤🎉

[@jimc.goodfellas]

Bout to hit 500k subscribers...well deserved

[@BillyBoggle]

Her book was incredible

[@Str8Flossin]

Ordered her book. Great show, Dan!

[@frankknudsen842]

Mr. Carlin ,irrespective of the topic and whether a deep dive or addendum you could provide 75 hours of content because it's absolutely wonderful . Thanks ever much

[@superlative7confusticate335]

The Shawn Ryan Show brought me here. Look forward to buying her book.

[@oberstul1941]

As a wise man once answered an alomst tone-deaf question on facebook (ikr): What would you do if Putin would decide to nuclear attack your country? "I'd try to be as close as possible to the bomb blast." PS: truly horrific scenarios - good job. Cheers!

[@NickFrom1228]

I love Dan's stuff. Supernova in the far east was spectacular. But on this topic I have to say I have significant issues. The authors opening sentence gave me concern, and then throughout her discussion it was only confirmed. In her opening I had hoped that her reference to saber rattling was the lead in to what deterrence is and how nuclear weapons play into that. But no. While she touched the topic tangentially there really was no solid addressing of the topic. This really became evident when talking about the number of bombs created. Anyone who is truly briefed on the topic, as she claims to have be, would fully understand the numbers aspect. The short summary of this is: A nuclear war, whether life ending or not, is still a war. Therefore the US and Soviet union both created enough bombs to destroy the targets they deemed necessary to win the war. She speaks with a lot of dramatic language but lacks a lot of the knowledge one would expect for someone who has thoroughly researched the topic. Case in point. She is in awe about the bomb design where a fission bomb is used to initiate the hydrogen bomb and that this is somehow significant. The kilo/mega ton numbers do all of that without the dramatics around design. The reality is the fission bomb is the spark plug and is unrelated, more or less, to the magnitude of the hydrogen bomb. She was right about man and machines failing. That is the key and scariest part of the nuclear situation. Sadly, she fails to mention that we used to think nuclear wars could be won, but does not mention the absolutely crucial details that Russia STILL DOES. They have extensive bunkers and a plan to do a first strike which has become more enticing to them since they have the hypersonic missiles. They only need a reason. This is why the approach the US and Nato have taken with Ukraine is utter insanity. We keep poking the bear in the eye, at some point they are going to take a swipe in return. Overall she seems to have talked to so many experts but missed so many critical details. Dan asked some really good questions but honestly I'm not impressed with her answers. Granted I'm a little more up to speed than most on these issues but still she missed major points that many people understand. For instance, the 6 minute window to issue the launch order. That is incorrect. That time is not about deciding whether you are willing to launch. That decision is made when you become president and are briefed on the nuclear procedures. Those 6 minutes are about determining if the situation is real etc. Next she talks about launching missiles over Russia to deal with North Korea. This was incredulous giving she had just talked about submarines. We have boomers positioned near North Korea since Eastern Russia is a target and we would not risk starting a war with Russia by shooting over them when we have a sub sitting within a few hundred miles that could do the job without risking a confrontation with Russia or China. Over and over and over she misses the mark. The horrors or nuclear war are real, the threat of war is real, all of that is true, but this authors interpretation is significantly off base in so many key ways. I'm half way through the video and have to quit or this summary will become a book. Overall, I'm not seeing value in this book if it has the same inaccuracies as her interview.

[@blarg0-f3l]

Was pulling my hair out throughout this conversation. Thanks for writing this comment.

[@coopdam3721]

Didn’t like it when she made up stuff on Joe rogans podcast. Not a real historian Dan even said she’s for the dramatics

[@Connor8609]

This woman is a charlatan on the topic. She hammers home already known and understood fears like they are revelatory new information for society to digest. Realistically, it's to sell some books.

[@markb8468]

I only made it thru about 30 minutes of her 3 hrs interview ok Lex Friedman for many of the reasons you've listed.

[@diggysoze2897]

@nickfrom1228 “the approach the us and nato have taken with Ukraine is utter insanity.” This is a remarkable level of cowardice. Let me ask you, why was Ukraine a red line but Finland was not? Your yellow belly is showing

[@i_dream_of_memes]

Absolutely bone-chilling episode

[@Chinamen]

The biggest fan of annie jacobsen is annie jacobsen

[@joshualebron9552]

Everyone should read all of her books. Shes a fantastic author.

[@GlennMarden]

Annie Jacobsen's book is really well done. I am just about finishing it on audible, and will be buying a physical copy for my library. Can't recommend it enough!

[@danieltouring]

What are some insights you got?

[@GlennMarden]

​@@danieltouring Short answer: How little many of us understand about these weapons and the consequences of using them. Also, how little time leaders have to respond in the event of a surprise attack. Long ranting answer: It made me think about a lot of things. I've been interested in military history for years, but I see war as the ultimate horror, and it terrifies me. War steam rolls over combatant and non-combatant alike. Nothing exemplifies this more than nuclear weapons, which cannot help but to kill countless civilians. I always cringe when I hear people spout out that we should just turn such-and-such country into a parking lot or field of glass with our "nukes". I have to imagine everyone has heard someone say such a thing, or maybe have said it themselves... And I know many people might not mean it, but do any of them ever think about the implications? Do they think about a fireball that is well over 100 million degrees F? Do they understand what radiation does to men, women, and children alike? This book went to great lengths to illustrate the indiscriminate horror of nuclear war. It is irreversible, lightning fast and endlessly tragic. Can we defend ourselves against such an attack? Not very likely, especially if the attack is carried out by a nuclear submarine, quite possibly the most devious weapons-system ever created... All we can do is retaliate in kind. Will FEMA save us after an attack? They can't... The "leaders" of our world will have minutes to make decisions. These hasty decisions, made in adrenaline fueled moments of apocalyptic anxiety, will determine everything and nothing all at the same time. 8 billion human beings are being held hostage by a handful of individuals who believe the survival and continuation of their government is the first and foremost priority. "The living will envy the dead..." Nikita Khrushchev

[@danieltouring]

@@GlennMarden thanks for getting back :)

[@HOWBAZARY]

HARDCORE is the only way to do History! Thank you Dan!

[@Trevorpartington-yc6ri]

Wonderful and scary at the same time. cudos dan and More to the point Annie.

[@cseymour88]

Great content as always Dan! Thank you

[@painrm]

Her voice is amazing! Lex Friedman has a great interview with her, where she explains this issue in detail! 100% recommended

[@menwithven8114]

Great immediately complaining about Trump. Not a Trump fan personally but im so tired hearing about him and how scary he is.

[@AS-gz8oe]

Not a fan yet immediately triggered by a objectively factual reference to his, at times candid belligerence

[@NickFrom1228]

@@AS-gz8oe Who says he was triggered? Sounds to me like he is just tired of hearing about him. Frankly, I had a discernible issue with her all the way through. From her first sentence she raised alarms then all the way through her interview she demonstrated a lack of understanding of multiple issues. And none was related to hearing, or potentially so, about Trump. Frankly it's hard to imagine how someone could interview so many top level people and still get so many things wrong.

[@secretsoundband]

How dangerously stupid Trump is can not possibly be overstated

[@menwithven8114]

@AS-gz8oe first of im not a fan. Seriously you ALL HAHE to stop doing that!!!! It's astonishing how many voters are pushed away from Democrats because the party of "agreeance" immediately outcast anyone with the skightrmmmmm

[@jl696]

​@@AS-gz8oe We are closer to a nuclear war now than we ever were under Trump's administration. To which facts are you referring?

[@Erik_Arnqvist]

Love you and the team, Dan

[@conner6417]

Annie’s operation paper clip book is one of my personal favorites

[@bott3849]

Dude i need a 4hr podcast minimum. You are just teasing with these hour episodes. Stop it. 4-12hrs, that's what i need.

[@Jamedia66]

You got a huge shout out from Elon Dan. Baller!

[@michaeljones-official6372]

As always, the best of the best

[@kimberleywarren8679]

Good thing the Secretary of Defense is always at the ready...oh wait.

[@short-leggedturtle1315]

Such a calm voice for such a disturbing topic

[@mjzenbar]

This is a great interview

[@aptpupil]

She's great. Very much on point

[@julians7268]

Thank you Dan. Anytime you speak its a pleasure.

[@wileyschmitt]

You can find a lot of truth written within fiction too, Dan. Just got to find the right authors.

[@SnakeBitesApe]

What are some examples?

[@wileyschmitt]

@@SnakeBitesApe Huxley, Orwell, Vonnegut, Hesse, Joyce, Hemingway, Dostoyevsky, Steinbeck, Kerouac, Lovecraft, Kafka, Asimov, Bradbury, Tolkien, George R. Stewart, Neal Stephenson, Anthony Burgess, Dan Simmons, Colin Wilson, Michael Talbot, Herbert, Heinlein, Philip K. Dick (and a ton of other vintage sci fi).

[@SnakeBitesApe]

@@wileyschmitt no, I mean what is an actual example of truth that you found in one of those authors works of fiction? Just curious.

[@wileyschmitt]

@@SnakeBitesApe Many fictional stories take place in our world, so there are often facts and real world accounts that are mentioned in most of those stories, and some are often littered with info and history that authors share with their readers, along with realities and circumstances of the times that younger readers can learn about and/or imagine more clearly despite their ignorance of such things by not having been a part of that era.

[@SnakeBitesApe]

@@wileyschmitt love that. What is your specific favorite? What truth did you learn?

[@Sophistry0001]

Got this audio book. It's pure insanity that we all live under this sword of damocles and we all just go to school and take the kids to soccer like 3/4ths of the human population couldn't just disappear. Nuclear powers should be giving each other a wide berth, but instead we are fighting a proxy war in Ukraine. Anyway the book is honestly wild and fantastic. Cannot recommend it enough.

[@Tetrach_4]

Annie Jacobsen made a fool of herself on JRE, hope her book on nukes is better than her work on operation paperclip

[@briandeaton36]

Great timing putting this book out in 2024 during the Biden Administration when everyone is staring at the TV waiting for nuclear Holocaust

[@compassioncampaigner728]

Look at the colossal threat quietly standing just off stage and effectively looming over us. Now. Look at the individuals who can influence or control the unleashing of these horrors: ....ButcherBiden ....Antony Blinken ....the orange ape ....Lloyd Austin .....Tillerson .....Pompeo ....Bibi Netanyahu ....Kim Jung IL ....the amorphous, faceless, little known leadership at NATO Anyone have any confidence in our longevity ?

[@bucky6700]

Hey dan i have listened to you for years and was wondering, is there a way to get some of your old shows . Like wrath of the khans or blueprints for Armageddon, or even prophets of doom . Cause its enjoyable to go back a relisten to them .

[@pfleming20]

They should be available for purchase on his website.

[@BaronOfHell666]

Just watched fallout and this drops. Great talk.

[@RasputinGandini]

Love Annie’s voice

[@sarcasmo57]

With such dirt poor leadership in the modern world the amount of doomsday weapons laying around is just crazy.

[@scotniver7180]

Good to be informed Thank you

[@limabravo6065]

I've worked with nuclear weapons for most of my life, from my time in the air force through my time at Sandia. And the EMP part of the horror show is in fact the first act. When the soviet union went belly up their nuclear doctrine was leaked and their strategy was broken into 4 parts. Part 1 was to detonate several medium yield weapons at about the altitude of the ISS over the continental US, which would devastate everything from the grid to communications, followed by all the strategic targets, command and control, and the population centers

[@ShagShaggio]

Great show. Cheers!

[@MaximoToro]

Christmas came early 🙌🙌

[@byronwilliams7977]

Excellent talk!

[@JimWorsham]

Her book was awesome in the way that awe is

[@Formally-known-Prince-Andrew]

Nice one Dan

[@msMagoo825]

Gwynne Dyer, Dan Carlin, and now welcome Annie Jacobsen (I recently only discovered her on Lex Fridman’s podcast) to my short list of favorite voices on human conflict history and journalism. I tore through her new book in a day…frustrating and depressing but damn is it a brilliant page turner.

[@PFWoody488]

I've thought a lot about this topic, but icbms having to go over Russia to hit North Korea never occured to me. I always get something to think about from these talks. Thanks Annie.

[@Connor8609]

It doesn't make sense , or is left completely unexplained in the interview. She said 90 nukes per sub are able to park right off an enemy coast about 5 mins before this.

[@PFWoody488]

@@Connor8609 I thought of that. The icbm thing hadn't occured to me. I like learning new things.

[@twonumber22]

Some can be launched from subs, but others require silos located in the lower 48 (and god knows where else)

[@StillBigWill44]

@@Connor8609while true the does not mean we would indeed have these subs exactly where we need them at the time of a surprise attack.

[@BugsyMac]

Her voice is hypnotic

[@NickFrom1228]

Her over dramatic approach and poorly understood issues was too much. I had to stop half way through. It's astounding that she interviewed so many top level people and understood so little.

[@J_P_]

Every day we get to live is a blessing. The potential destruction is just minutes away Every Day

[@JDM_FD]

Great stuff like always

[@stevecosta]

You say N Korea is the only country not following nuclear guidelines Or inspections? What about Isreal ? And in light of their recent war crimes, I’m MUCH more concerned with them having nukes. PS Dan, N Korea cannot fire their primitive nuke on a missle, let alone hit the US. Most of their nuke tests were duds. Isreal on the other hand, with the stolen plutonium from US and advanced technology probably could and would hit the US. See Samson option.

[@Rody_le_Cid]

Absolutely. Funny how this can't be a topic of discussion, because if you do bring it up, you're antisemitic. no matter what. That's the new definition. Dan won't talk about that though, he no longer has "Common Sense".

[@NickFrom1228]

Delusional.

[@T25de]

Great show

[@nickb.235]

Still waiting for the Dan Carlin takes on the Thirty Years War and the Crimean War.

[@mikek9297]

An hour ? Now THAT is a „blitz”

[@franktothemax]

Absolutely a treat!

[@LIYW]

Love Annie.

[@dac554]

Oh that the “you will have to read it in my book” lady from JRE 😅

[@dadotitosafaklfj]

Every new Hard Core History comes like the first gulp of water to thirsty man.

[@chrisschmid5212]

Power Overwhelming