DANIEL 7 & 8 - The Pre-Advent, investigative, Judgment - Doug Batchelor 12/14

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I've been studying with the SDAs for the past few yrs, and was receptive to what they teach. Though I've not read much of EW and was a bit wary of her, and the 1844 prophecy seemed a bit strange to me. So in recent months I was listening to a few challenges to adventism, but nothing really stuck, and I got no clarity. So I was praying sincerely many times, and I mean in a deep and sorrowful way, a sorrowful longing for the truth. Then whilst preparing a study for Sabbath school I came across the cleansing of the sanctuary. Then God led me into this, and opened my eyes so clearly, was amazing. My conclusion, and I spent many hrs and days going over Daniel's prophecies, is that there is Zero substance to the 1844 prophecy. No connections between the little horns, nor the vision in ch 9 explains ch 8 vision. I read the acct of antiochus and he fits perfectly. He was trying to wipe out the faith in Israel. I did several word studies, which every one of them even further removes any supposed connections. The word used for saints in ch7 is different to the holy people in ch8. The word for vision in ch9 vs 23 is different to the ch8 vision. Ch 8 days is broken down into literal mornings and evenings, whereas the prophetic days in ch12 vs 11 is a word that can be figurative for a period of time. Cleansing in ch 8 means to restore, and is different to the cleansing of the sanctuary ceremonially. And clearly the little horn in ch8 comes out of Greece, and cannot be Rome. As in ch7 rome is it's own beast, and the little horn there comes from within it. Also how does Gods heavenly sanctuary get trodden underfoot?? Or how can a transgression make the heavenly sanctuary desolate?? Was rome doing away with the daily sacrifices for those hundreds of yrs before Jesus came? The SDA interpretation is entirely false. It is assumption built upon false assumption, that builds an entirely false structure. Regarding the investigative judgement, well that collapses because 1844 is a lie. But just to be sure, which sanctuary is being cleansed by Jesus's blood? It is the sanctuary within us, that the Holy Spirit may dwell within us, and we are born again. Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Sprinkled with the blood of Christ

[@ChristopherHarle41048]

Thank you for sharing the results of your prayerful study. Instead of answering each point, I refer you to x2 playlists, 1) "1844 made simple - INVESTIGATIVE JUDGEMENT" kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHOkdIhrd82ap9U 2) "1844 end of Daniel's 2300" kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5XUlK2OaNaMfJY Sincererly, Chris Harle.

[@k3630]

@@ChristopherHarle41048 I have listened to many videos regarding 1844 and the investigative judgement, both for and against. My study of Daniel 7,8,9 and 11, show absolutely no support for 1844. Every single point that Adventists use can be easily refuted. I'm actually amazed and annoyed how such a theology has passed inspection. Now I can see through it so easily, praise the Lord. It is based upon many assumptions, each one building upon the last to create a false structure. I can list at least a dozen points that easily refute 1844.

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Hi again @kwahu3630, you say you can find a dozen points to refute 1844? Know that William Miller himself struggled to find the truths in Daniel, and was unwilling, at first, to proclaim what he had found. And then the whole thing came crashing down when the interpretation failed and Christ did not return. And yet this "great disappointment" has led to a worldwide Church with 21 million baptised members. In those "past few years" you gave of your life studying with Adventists did nothing come across as "truth"? Like yourself, Dr Timothy R. Jennings questions some conclusions the mainstream Adventist Church has come to. You won't find "all truth" from his mouth either, but maybe a fresh look at those studies you took part in, 1) comeandreason.com/ 2) "Come and Reason TOPIC" kzbin.info/door/sXwRDn6AAva9Di-P4PP4dg Wishing you GOD's continued guidance as you seek (not theological nuggets but rather) a living faith in Christ, is my prayer, in His name, Sincerely, Chris Harle.

[@ericfolks1503]

Antiochus was not the little horn of Daniel 7:8, and Daniel 8:9. Follow the sequence of Daniel 2. Gold (Babylon) silver (medo Persia) bronze (Greece) iron (Rome) Same sequence in Daniel 7 and same sequence in Daniel 8. Daniel 8 names the silver and bronze kingdoms, the best and lairs kingdoms, Medo-Persia as the “Ram” and Greece and the “goat” The little horn of Daniel 7 is Rome in its papal stage. Therefore the little horn of Daniel 8 is the same power, follow the sequences. Think about this for a second. Antiochus does not come anywhere near close to being as powerful as Rome let alone Greece. In Daniel 8:4 the Ram “became great.” Daniel 8:8 the goat “grew VERY great” and Daniel 8:9 the little horn (Rome) “grew exceedingly great” Antiochus is not fit at all for being the little horn. And yes the 2300 day/year prophecy fulfilled in 1844. The angel came to give Daniel understanding of the vision (Daniel 8:4-14) in Daniel 9. He gave Daniel a time prophecy starting from the “going forth of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem” That date was 457bc, when Artaxerxes gave the decree for Israel to go back. Read it in Ezra 7. Given in the 7th year of Artaxerxes which was 457bc. Please read this small book titled “1844 Made Simple” by Clifford Goldstein www.anym.org/pdf/1844_made_simple_clifford_goldstein.pdf

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