My Thoughts on the New DC Universe

James Gunn & Peter Safran have unveiled the first part of their DC master plan - I recap & give my thoughts on the exciting, the confusing, and the future of the DCU.
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0:00 - DC's Past & Current Actors
13:30 - Future Films
23:45 - Future TV/Streaming
32:08 - Overall Thoughts

[@DanMurrellMovies]

I've received several comments now regarding the pronouns I used to refer to writer Grant Morrison. As someone who doesn't follow the comics world closely, I was not aware that Grant Morrison is referred to using they/them pronouns and will take note of that for future reference. One note I did find as I researched the topic after this was brought up: I was told by several people that Morrison personally prefers the "they/them" pronouns; in an interview with UK's The Times conducted in September of last year, Morrison said "I said that if I had been doing now what I was doing back in the 1990s I would be viewed as non-binary or gender queer. Suddenly it was taken up by the fan press and I was awarded the label ‘they/them’. I never asked for it. I come from a generation where that just doesn’t matter, even being labelled at all is anathema to me. I can’t live in a box. I’m going to let down anyone who sticks a label on me. It will drop off quite naturally." So while it doesn't seem that the they/them pronouns are specifically stated to be Morrison's personal preference, I acknowledge that it is generally the label used given their stated gender identity and because Morrison doesn't reject those pronouns, I will move forward accordingly. Thanks for your understanding.

[@originalindigodingo]

Just fyi, you haven't actually pinned this comment yet. I only found it after scrolling pretty deep in the comments

[@DanMurrellMovies]

@@originalindigodingo Thank you, I pinned it earlier but the browser glitched out and I didn't realize that it didn't pin. It's pinned now!

[@countpicula]

Wow, total lose of respect over this nonsense

[@cristhianzerimar]

@@countpicula Or just move on with your life. You weren't physically hurt by it, were you?

[@LikeGod_ButBetterLooking]

@@countpicula why? What is bad about respecting people and being kind?

[@sivakumarsa]

The fence sitting might be like DC rebirth. They rebooted the comics in new 52 then brought back elements people wanted in DC rebirth.

[@TheEliFamily]

Let’s also remember fence sitting for them as a business is good because they have options. The fans don’t like it because the “want” to know

[@matthewho4584]

Yup. This. Completely this.

[@brianng8350]

Between the new 52 and Rbirth, I’m totally lost on the continuity. There were some good comics, but even they did not have the big picture from what I heard. Hopefully, this is better since everything has to go through these 2 guys.

[@blunteastwood]

It's more like New 52. They said it was a reboot, implying a hard one, but then kept elements. Rebirth was never billed as any kind of reboot.

[@rickcleveland310]

If Captain America can work in the modern era, so can Superman.

[@Maulbert]

I disagree, not that Superman can work, but that Captain America's success proves it. While Cap and Supes are symbolically similar, Cap doesn't have Superman's OP power set, which makes it easier to write for him. You can believably write Cap losing a fight to a decently powerful enemy, you can't with Superman. Superman only loses to gods.

[@LikeGod_ButBetterLooking]

@Keith Hamman exactly Cap can want to change the world and have his ideas be a success for those around him. If Supes wants to change the world it changes for everyone. That massively changes the stories you can tell.

[@MrBrock314]

@@Maulbert And magic. Superman loses to magic. But they're referring to the tone. You can play a boy scout and it works.

[@Bfrd25]

Curious to see how Gunn balances overseeing everything while still directing/writing some movies. It feels like for this to work it needs to be his only responsibility. But maybe that's why Safran is there too.

[@15Candles]

Gunn has confirmed that he is overseeing the creative side of the DC story, Safran is more on the business (budget stuff something like that) and marketing for DC

[@NicBrandon]

As a lifelong DC fan who was super excited to see the original DCEU plan from 2015 and was extremely sad to see it all fall apart after 2017, I'm beyond excited for this. In the interviews Gunn and Safran gave outside of the announcement video, they seem to be understanding everything that went wrong with the previous universe: extreme studio interference holding back creative vision; a willingness to give the IP out to anyone, resulting in a "cinematic universe" where none of the films feel connected and often contradict each other (WW84 doesn't really work with the rest of the universe, BoP never addresses where Batman is, TSS never addresses the events of BoP, BA introduces a JSA that has just been... sitting everything out in the past?); and an extreme lack of consistency (from the original plan to the Hamada era, in which Superman couldn't be used and a new, non shared universe Batman needed to be introduced, to the post-Flash reboot, to the abandonment of that reboot and a cancellation of all of the reboot films, to the Rock's terrible plan and strong-manning attempts, etc. etc.). These guys get the problems, and have solutions to all of them: there will now be tonal variety and a respect for creative visions (Gunn made a point that this isn't the "Gunnverse); continuity will be respected and everything will coexist, with Elseworlds stuff being clearly labeled; and there will be consistency in executing a decade-long plan. The projects themselves also sound great. I previously was iffy on the idea of having another Batman franchise compete with Matt Reeves', but man I'm down for it now. I'm happy to be getting an older-ish Batman again with the bat-family already established (Zack Snyder had the right idea with coming in with an older version of the character; if you start from the beginning, you have to make like 20 movies before you finally can use all of the supporting characters), and honestly I'm super down with seeing the two franchises coexist; on the one hand we have a gritty, younger take on the character, while on the other we have the older, family-man take on the character in a wider universe. Best of both worlds. While I was extremely sad to see Cavill go (though, for all intents and purposes, he lost the job back in 2018 when his contract renegotiations fell through), I'm excited for the new Superman film. It doesn't work with Cavill's iteration of the character, and people need to accept that. Superman is not Henry Cavill; even though he was my personal favorite iteration of that character, there's room for more. Besides, I love Cavill and think he's a good actor, but let's not pretend like he was giving phenomenal performances (not a jab at him, just saying it's possible to do better). The Supergirl film sounds great, as does the Authority, and I'm beyond excited for the Lanterns series. The big thing I love is the variety: we get big names (Batman, Superman, Green Lantern) and borderline unknown names (the Authority, Creature Commandos), as well as in-between characters (Booster Gold, Swamp Thing). Tonally varied stories with a wide array of characters, telling stories that haven't been done to death? Sounds great to me. I loved the original DCEU before it fell apart, and I absolutely adore the three Snyder films. However, I''m not one of those fanatical Snyderbots and I fully believe that this soft restart is the best way to go about things. I'm also glad that the Flash film serves as the story reboot that connects the two phases of the universe, rather than just starting cold and letting the last 10 years of storytelling go to waste. This is the best way forward, and I believe that, so long as the films and shows are, you know, actually good, we're about to enter a golden age of DC. The only thing I'm unsure of is the stance on video games and animation; while I like the idea of having them tie into the DCU, I don't think that they all should have to tie in. Some is fine, but I'd still like some standalone, "Elseworlds" games and animated content. My personal ranking of the projects by anticipation: 1. Lanterns 2. The Brave and the Bold 3. Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow 4. Booster Gold 5. Superman: Legacy 6. Paradise Lost 7. The Authority 8. Waller 9. Swamp Thing 10. Creature Commandos

[@anthonycorcino6700]

What are you writing a novel God damm man.

[@patrickmike2524]

Can you make a Superman like that. Yes, it’s called Captain America. That character completely worked

[@TheUnprofessionalReviewer]

Agree but also disagree with that comparison. Yes they both are more optimistic characters that can be called Boy Scouts. Yes they both in a lot of ways represent the best of America for Cap and best of Humanity for Sups. The main difference is how Steve Rogers is literally an old man in modern times. His sense of optimism is old fashioned because he is old fashioned. Superman is the complete opposite. He is new to humanity. He is very naive and its through that naïveté that gives him that old fashioned sense of optimism. Think of the last line between Vision and Ultron in Age of Ultron. I feel like that is a more direct comparison although Vision and Superman are also very different but that’s a whole other conversation lol So yes this is just a long winded way of saying it is very possible to make a Superman film with these sensibilities but the task is so very different at the core of what makes Superman stand out. Both a challenge in different ways!

[@thecounselingcouch68]

Doesn't work the same way. Captain America is a man in the wrong era. Superman will be a man in current times. Donner's Superman does not work in our current times.

[@botanicus2921]

@@thecounselingcouch68 read what's so funny about Truth Justice and the American way

[@thecounselingcouch68]

@@botanicus2921 Read it and own it.

[@YTKR5]

These are the same things imo - an optimistic young man instilled with old fashioned values arriving in the cosmopolitan world as a fish out of water, I don’t see any difference at its core

[@filmezki]

Gunn brought C list characters in Guardians of the Galaxy that 99 percent of people had never heard about and made them icons. I am sure his team will be able to pull this exact same thing with all these "lesser known" stories for their slate.

[@langleymneely]

That Supergirl story is amazing and effectively a cosmic version of True Grit with Kara in the Rooster Cogburn role. This is great news!

[@zacharymccoy7091]

I'm all for more Green Lantern content. You can make so many movies and shows out of just that part of the universe, it's insane.

[@mudiametokunboh2370]

Facts exactly Gunn is cooking he’s not just handing out ips he’s talking his time

[@jaredrose3307]

There's a good chance the fence sitting with characters like the flash and Aquaman are because they still have movies coming out. They can be more straightforward with Henry Cavill because he doesn't have a movie coming. They probably don't want to say we're going to have a brand new flash and a brand new Aquaman before those movies come out, because they don't want people saying what's the point of seeing those movies if they don't count. And yes, there are lots of those people out there. It just comes down to them wanting to give their upcoming movies the best chance at the box office, and then once those movies have come and gone they'll come out and say those guys are now gone just like Cavill.

[@FakeFriendsForever]

Jason Momoa confirmed he’s not going to be away from Aquaman

[@DanV900]

@@FakeFriendsForever That’s not what he said.

[@soradev3254]

@@DanV900 sort of, they are doing a third movie and apparently they are tying in the 2nd and 3rd with the reboot or smth

[@Trekkie46]

The Authority. My hope is that they'll be a stand-in for the dystopian dark "modern" side of superhero media, i.e. The Boys, Invincible, Man Of Steel, Zak's concept of a Batman that kills, etc. If I'm right (again, hoping), The Authority is the dark example that The Justice League uses as a return to form for what superheroes SHOULD stand for. As they announced, Truth, Justice and The American Way. I really want that zeal and good feeling to the core brought back.

[@shanetaylor761]

I think something really important gunn can do is feed the fans enough classics(batman, superman, green lanterns) but also really delve into Lessor known characters. Maybe not unknown but we are so over due for a swamp thing movie it's crazy. I hope they first introduce Constantine in it like the comics. Now i just want to see people like etrigan, the spector, Solomon grundy, zatana, or plastic man(not goofy though full strength).

[@donkeydarko77]

Why did you leave out Wonder Woman?

[@everythingharsh]

Etrigan movie plz 80's medeival plz

[@SumDumGy]

Seems to me he has held on to completely the wrong writing staff to deliver the classics to audiences.

[@mudiametokunboh2370]

@@everythingharshwould be dopee

[@richardlyons3849]

Lanterns is actually on HBO television as well, which means probably in their primetime 9:00pm Sunday slot. Feel like that should give a little more confidence instead of it being something thats streaming only.

[@TimothyMReynolds]

Love the set dressing for this episode 💚

[@awwa2]

Most excited about Booster Gold. Has the potential to be really unique in the superhero genre if executed properly.

[@AlvinWazHere]

Its DC, its gonna flop

[@jacksauce]

Completely agree with you. He’s one of my favorite DC heroes and I was unbelievably happy when Gunn announced his series

[@mudiametokunboh2370]

@@AlvinWazHerenah it’s gonna be great

[@electricfire621]

14:50 yes you can still have a hopeful and optimistic Superman even in modern day. A great example of this is All-Star Superman, Superman: Birthright, and Superman vs The Elite which are great comics which I highly recommend.

[@donkeydarko77]

Wonder Woman was hopeful & optimistic in her first film, and it made over $820 million. It DOES work.

[@Josh123376]

All Star Superman is criminally underrated. Could make a spectacular final entry in a trilogy.

[@ravissary79]

My concern is that these creators don't have a good track record depicting smart, effective yet idealistic classically good characters.

[@thisguydan]

I’d like to see Guillermo del Toro direct Swamp Thing. Exactly the kind of character/film he loves to make, even winning an Oscar for The Shape of Water. Having Gunn and del Toro on the roster would give DC two of the best directors for the crazier and darker characters of DC that Gunn will favor…I can already picture del Toro’s Solomon Grundy.

[@jermhoosierfan]

del Toro had a whole concept for a Justice League Dark all mapped out from what I read and heard, but WB said No to him. He would be perfect for that area.

[@daywren7511]

Leave Guillermo Del Toro alone best for him not to be wrapped up in all this bullshit

[@AnferneeMyers]

I think the most interesting thing that the press releases have done are teasing how good of a team Safran and Gunn seem to be, together.

[@Maximo_ari]

I didn’t know if a Supergirl movie was gonna work. But I just finished reading Woman of Tomorrow (it’s free on Hoopla), and my god thats gonna be a crazy good adaption! Everyone needs to read that comic!

[@boxtupos7718]

Tom King is amazing His Mr. Miracle and then the War of Jokes and Riddles (A story where he made Kiteman relevant) are amazing; Prolly the best writer in DC right now.

[@Maximo_ari]

@@boxtupos7718 I’ve been reading Human Target monthly and I love it! Just started his Mr. Miracle last night. Any chance you read Gotham City Year One? Been debating if I should pick it up.

[@SumDumGy]

You may think the comic is a great story. You have no basis on which to declare the adaptation will be good.

[@SumDumGy]

@@boxtupos7718 If Tom King is so amazing why do so many comic book readers despise the man’s work? I’ve never heard a positive thing about him until reading your comment.

[@boxtupos7718]

@@Maximo_ari I say he's the best, mostly because of his "Hits", he is a great writer but he is very hit or miss; Prolly just need a good editor to reel him in. I also was pretty specific on his Batman run, War of Jokes and Riddles, because other than that most of the stories were meh. He is hit or miss, but his HITS usually become one of my favorite run on a series.

[@jefnyssen1937]

My list of anticipation -Superman: Legacy (Very important this one is BIG for the future of dc) -Lanterns -Swamp Thing (Love that they do different genres -Brave and the Bold (Would be nr 1 if Battinson didn't existed) -The Authority -Supergirl (The way Gunn described it sounds really cool) -Paradise Island -Booster Gold -Waller -Creature Commando In the end, I'll watch em all anyway

[@Vadahann]

It's a good first step and what DC needed: a vision and a plan. There's some bold choices who fit very closely to what Gunn already created in his previous works, it's risky but it also comes with it's own identity. And there's that statement about bringing back stories and directors on the foreground, distancing it furthermore from the formulaic MCU. We still need to see how that will actually materialize but I'm intrigued.

[@rahjahknows]

Great video, Dan! Appreciate the breakdown and background research

[@kyleparry7559]

This is hands down the most rational, measured, and reasonable take I’ve seen on a KZbin channel thus far.

[@alexandelsosa7718]

I will say Hippolyta and Zeus scheming either together or against each other and other gods would be pretty entertaining tbh. All of the chaos, fights, and arguments coming down to a sand sculpture built by Hippolyta and struck by Zeus's lightning on a beach at night.

[@oddcreatureX]

Gunn’s only going to be able to be directly involved to a significant degree with some of these projects, it will be interesting to see how they all do.

[@mnoir7257]

I am worried about the ones he is more involved in honestly. His style is very particular. Based on everything I have seen him write he is a terrible choice for Superman.

[@Bfrd25]

@@mnoir7257 I think writing could be fine, it's just who directs it moreso

[@brianng8350]

@@mnoir7257 He is more a Brightburn guy. He can write touching family/human emotional connections between characters that is very grounded. But he has a humor that you would not call wholesome… , which is what Superman needs… haha…. I was trying to defend him, but ended up agreeing with you… 😂

[@peternystrom921]

All Will be canceled after a few years.

[@ac14cmpunk25]

he is totally directing The Authority

[@chesareroach]

That LANTERNS TV Show has all my attention, stylized as a Sci-fi version of True Detective....I definitely can't wait.

[@chloeclarke9495]

The thing that I’m iffy about is having the animation actors play the characters in live action. Someone could be the perfect voice of the character but not the best choice in live action. For example, I loved Nathan Fillion as Hal Jordan in the DCAU but I don’t know if I’d pick him for the show.

[@devverma144]

Obviously, if they follow through with this plan, they will only cast voice actors that can potentially be part of live action.

[@Midv1322]

I think they will be looking for live action version of these characters and then that actor also has to to voice work for animation and games.

[@hiimchrisj]

I think the idea is that they're going to cast for live action first and target actors specifically that are more open to also taking on voice roles. That being said, Creature Commandos is the only animated show announced so far and most of those characters are monsters so you can still just hire creature performers for any live action appearance and just have the same voice actors dub over the lines.

[@devverma144]

@@hiimchrisj true. Like how Brenden Frazier only did the voice over for Doom Patrol.

[@owensanfordstuff]

And actors reprising their roles for videos games? That's a huge commitment to undertake and it's something I don't see happening. Going back to the actors voicing their characters in animation, it really didn't sound right in what if? It didn't feel like they were acting, just reading lines

[@bluesdjben]

Great breakdown. I can always count on you to dive thoroughly into the details while also clearly conveying the big picture.

[@mudiametokunboh2370]

Plans mean everything and story thank goodness with James gunn

[@johnscott6984]

Competed scripts? Consistent characters played by the same actors? An emphasis on telling stories (rather than checking boxes to satisfy “modern audiences”, hopefully) that fit in a general continuity? Hope springs eternal, I guess, but I’ll believe it when I see it - best of luck to Mr Gunn and his team!

[@hezekiahramirez6965]

Yeah... I will believe this when I see it. I don't have faith in this company. It sucks because I really do love DC Comics and I also still hope it will be great, but I just don't believe this is happening at this point. Some of it probably will. Much of it I don't believe will. I guess it's my fault for wanting a great DCU so badly and keeping the hope alive, and I do get that it's reasonable to feel that way, but I'm sick of getting burned by DC movies. I just want to have something I love. I won't die without it or anything but I do love DC and I want it to be great. I just want it to be great. I think it's fine to want that. I just don't expect it

[@lifeline.6144]

just a heads up midnight ear and apollo from the authority are both gay in the comics so don’t be surprised when you see it

[@fatdingo8251]

@@lifeline.6144Well, at least it was already in the comics and not changed just for shits and giggles

[@SIMON_SAYS_SO]

Alexander Skarsgard (The Northman) as Batman since he is right age and build. Bill Skarsgard (Pennywise) as Joker. Jensen Ackles as Hal Jordan Green Lantern.

[@electricfire621]

Not bad but Alexander would be better suited for Aquaman or Apollo (member of the Authority).

[@scottsummers4234]

Very ambitious plan. Let's see if they can achieve it.

[@ohyeahitsthatoneguy]

Been looking forward to your take on the news!

[@louisberry4403]

Loving this and hope Gunn delivers something special with these.

[@Skeletal33]

Im not sure how I feel about his plan. Its a very strange plan. But…eliminating everything except Suicide Squad & Peacemaker? How does that make sense?

[@MrBrock314]

The rest of it didn't work or had controversy around it. So, they moved on.

[@BigBossMan257]

He never said what would be staying or going lol let’s not make assumptions now

[@thebortthe]

Flash will reset things and some things will remain, likely James Gunn’s projects. They’re not super connected to the rest of the DCEU.

[@boxtupos7718]

Because SS and Peacemaker were already soft reboots. In Peacemaker, Chris comments on how Batman is a pussy for not killing his super villains.

[@davidsandoval1068]

so hyped to see this!! love your content fan!! been watching you since movie fights :’)

[@imoutotrash390]

Please let me see Booster Gold and Blue Beetle's bromance

[@mark2graves-movies689]

Yay! I was hoping you would chime in on this announcement 👍🏻👍🏻

[@naodamdetsyon6929]

I think having a more experienced and fleshed out Batfamily is a wise choice considering the fact that they aren't scrapping the Reevesverse. Most audiences dont listen to these announcements so they'll just go off of what they see. I imagine many would just assume these two are the same Batmen just at different points in their career

[@emilminchev5573]

I was waiting for this take 😁😁

[@DeathStarKitty]

The All-Star Superman version of Supes is, for me, the best version. In 1978, the hokey oh-golly-shucks-maam, was what set him apart from the cynical world of the changes in society in the 70's. In today's world, that would translate to what the MCU did with Cap and it works. The character is good to the core and will always choose the right thing to do because they know they have the power to do it. The character has to be founded on the fact that Clark would never willingly allow harm to come to anyone.

[@danielwright3929]

I hope they make fun of Man of Steel in Superman Legacy. Have him battle an over powered brute who keeps on risking the lives of countless people and Superman is sweating his ass off making sure he saves every last one of them and when he finally topples the bad guy the bad guy says:” You know, you could’ve saved yourself the aggravation by simply snapping my neck.” Superman laughs and says,” That’s true, but I’m not a psychopath.”

[@verlisifiancesatire6344]

I'm really just excited for Swamp Thing.

[@iamnotbatman1218]

Love how you changed up the background to have a bunch of DC stuff!

[@Invalidspin]

Momoa is Lobo. You literally will never find a closer match. Aquaman shouldn’t be too hard to recast lol.

[@justinriley]

Maybe this time we can have a Superman movie where he enjoys being Superman.

[@cameronmitchell8180]

Man of Steel was a great movie

[@edencantu6599]

@@cameronmitchell8180 shut the damn door

[@originaldelta]

Mind of a child.

[@donkeydarko77]

It sure was a movie!

[@magnifique909]

I don't understand the lack of respect for arrow verse! Many long-lived shows, well connected and full of fun characters!

[@runbaa9285]

Considering Kang's upcoming rise to fame in the MCU with all the movies involving him, Booster Gold sounds really exciting. In concept, Booster Gold is essentially Kang's foil. Both use technology of the future to time travel and use said technology for their own gain. The difference being that Kang uses it to conquer. Booster Gold just wants some love and attention. Maybe to feed his ego a bit, but in comparison, Booster Gold's a kitty compared to Kang, lol.

[@moviereviewsbyjoshbuck4879]

Thanks Dan for this video

[@chuckvalentine]

Keep up the good work!

[@bluesdjben]

I think Creature Commandos is actually the one I'm most excited about for multiple reasons. I love animated superhero shows. I have a good idea of what it's going to be like. It's already in production, so I probably don't have to worry about it getting canceled before it sees the light of day. It totally fits the kind of storytelling that James Gunn excels at. I think with a lot of the others, they are too far away for me to really know what to expect, although I like a lot of the ideas. Whereas I have a pretty good idea of how fun a show about a bunch of weird misfit heroes and antiheroes getting into a whole bunch of wild and weird situations and trying to work together can be.

[@ricebrown1]

they didnt fire henry. they pulled a "your position is no longer available." on him.

[@jermhoosierfan]

It's not Gunn's fault that Cavill was told he is back only to then have those people get fired and replaced. They were both put in a bad situation with that, but I would think if they do a multiverse saga of some kind, Cavill could possibly come back.

[@ntcnetwork9934]

I’ve been waiting for this for two days! 😂

[@Troygdesign]

Exciting stuff

[@obara7366]

BOOSTER, GOLD! BOOSTER, GOLD! I'm so excited to see Mike's story come to the mainstream. He's my favourite superhero of all time because insecurity/imposter syndrome is the core of all my favourite characters. I also hope that the show will include Ted Kord's Blue Beetle, who ends up becoming Booster Gold's best and most treasured friend. Their bromance rivals that of SuperBat for me. Thank you once again for another great video, Dan, it's been a rough week.

[@jezziah2]

I don't know that much about Booster Gold, but (I mean, superhero name alone) the idea behind his character has a lot of comedic potential, as well as touching perhaps lightly on the sadder side of a hero with insecurities & imposter syndrome. Hadn't thought of the Blue Beetle connection (haven't read the comics aside from Booster Gold's first appearance) but it makes perfect sense to bring them together and build on that relationship. Is he a bit like The Tick, in the sense he's most often getting into situations he can't handle alone/gets out of his depth, with his 'sidekick' bailing him out ..?

[@riverlynnxo]

I dont really watch super hero stuff, but we do enjoy any superman and batman movies that come out, those tend to be really enjoyable. Thanks for all the updates. I would like a nice hopeful / cheerful focused superman, and of course more of The Batman would be nice too!

[@Cotsos88]

It all depends on the quality. I'm not at all excited about most of these, but I wasn't about Peacemaker either and it's one of the best things DC has done post-Nolan.

[@peterm.fitzpatrick7735]

I am really looking forward to what they are going to do with "The Authority" franchise. I have about ten graphic novel collections of the story, and it is quite good!

[@kenyabrunson4985]

I think Creature Commandos got the greenlight in response to Marvel's Werewolf by Night and the upcoming Blade; and funny how another go round for Swamp Thing happened when Marvel had Man-Thing show up in Werewolf by Night! I know that DC and Marvel have always had competing superheroes along the same themes for DECADES -- but in the movie and streaming space, it just feels like follow the leader. (And yeah I know Feige didn't approve Civil War until BvS was announced, folks.) I just think that this late in the game it doesn't feel like Gunn is offering anything different. Just more of the same with different casts.

[@lincolnbeverly6586]

Paradise island should introduce queen Nubia and the split from the main faction.

[@Person70519]

Thank you so much Dan. A lot of channels I watched only spoke on the video Gunn made and nothing from the actual news conference. Appreciate it Dan! Definitely agree on starting film development on an unfinished script. Where is the DAKOTAVERSE. I want Icon, Static Shock, and Hardware!?

[@joeg4043]

17:28 YUM

[@TVandManga]

Really interesting video!

[@asan1050]

ThanksMuch!

[@CharlesEdmond79]

Cool hoodie

[@intotheunknown6736]

Regarding Batgirl, it got the identical test screening scores as Shazam 1 and Black Adam, so I call bullshit on it not being "releasable" unless he's saying those films are also unreleasable.

[@kpcappy51]

And what a slap in the face to the creatives- praising their work in front of and behind the camera just to turn around and say the movie they made is unreleasable?? Something else has to be going on there.

[@thevikingbear2343]

I'm so used to Marvel making these announcements with Logos and presentations that in comparison the DCU Announcement felt like a starting youtuber that doesn't have its crew just yet. Nando V Movies as an example has better visuals for his pitches. Why isn't even a GOD AND MONSTERS logo? Or at least a DCU / ELSEWORLD Logo?

[@The0Kiyubii0Kid]

All Marvels logos and gimmicks hasn't stopped it from being trash lately. Who cares? If the content is good thats literally all that matters.

[@thevikingbear2343]

@Tyler Ray publicity and social awareness matters. Everybody knows the McDonalds Logo even though the food is not high end. When speaking about the Eternals I know exactly who they are because of the recognizable logo. Even "The Batman" instantly recognizable because uaes the regular Batman Logo but red. Somebody puts that on the screen and we already know we are talking about Robert Pattinson. NObody confuses that with any other Batman Movie. Even Man Of Steel had a very distinctive Alien Looking "S" Logo that highlights the new suit. It is instantly recognizable. Nobody sees that Logo and thinks we are talking about Superman Returns for example.

[@ronniemontero7110]

just because Marvel does thay style, so DC should copy? there's a reason why they did this because this was just a teaser for Chapter 1. gosh, Marvel has really corrupted some of ya'll and it shows. 😆

[@iwilder94]

I think James Gunn's bread-and-butter is creating misfit teams which is what a lot of these projects seem to be based around

[@Invalidspin]

Would love to see him do Hitman and introduce Section Eight.

[@juliescott4473]

Oh on animation carryover - Arrowverse introduced several characters by having them in animation first and it worked pretty well. And Matt Ryan has been both the life action and go to voice actor for Constantine for years. I feel like if they do it managably, it won't be ALL animated projects but probably key ones that fill gaps in stories or let them intro more obscure characters without making film projects shoe horn in cameos that don't service the film.

[@kalibarpr144]

Only a few seconds into the video but gotta say, LOOOOVE your sweater!

[@tomkadams]

I'm sure they are being vague about the futures of Shazam, Flash, and Aquaman because those films haven't come out. Gunn may not have made them, but he doesn't want to torpedo them by saying they will be rebooted until after people go and see them.

[@michaeljaymarshall]

James Gunn- "You guys like Wonder Woman?...Wanna see a show with no Wonder Woman in it??"

[@SimonBuchanNz]

Sure.

[@tenmark7055]

Oh yeah, because when you announce Waller and Booster Gold projects the excitement cranks up from zero to nearly +1.

[@mitchellmobley9952]

I 100 percent agree with the James Gunn being hesitant to throw out his own show while throwing out all the rest of the old guard so easily. And I even liked peacekeeper a lot but it seems like he needs to commit and do a full overhaul to me and not halfway do it if that me the direction they wanna go

[@ESMITH4]

I 100 percent agree

[@mosesoftheblock2311]

The casual viewer was never confused. It was just that the Snyder films were bad. Joker and The Batman showed having self centered continuities work as long as the media is well made.

[@brianmichaels8093]

I feel the opposite - I am far more excited about the more obscure characters like Creature Commandos, Booster Gold, and The Authority than I am for yet ANOTHER Superman, Batman, etc...

[@mysterylover9546]

But I think those kind of characters should mostly be streaming platform exclusive content. Both Warner Bros and DC are very low in money, and need to increase profit. Fans say they love these characters and want more movies/shows centered on them, but then no one shows up at the theaters. Business-wise they need to get the attention of casual watchers as well. Also, let’s not forget that the public and even comic book fans have become exhausted with superhero movies and shows. This slate just won’t get people talking or butts in theater seats.

[@Fade2BlackSS]

@user-sk2cx8ub3k I feel like the difference between DC and Marvel is that Marvel does have characters who may not be as popular but are still well known. DC pretty much has the Trinity. Characters that they expand on are branched from those characters in the movies and media. Harley Quinn, Joker and even Killer Croc are usuals in the Gotham universe. They tried making a Batgirl movie and a Batwoman TV show. Titans had all 3 Robins in it as well as Batman and the Scarecrow as a villian. It seems like the mainly bank off Batman because they know the name will put butts in seats. Superman is THE most well known superhero in the world and they just can't get the guy right. So while I am excited for Lanterns and Swamp Thing, so I do think they need a good Superman movie as well. I think the biggest problem is that DC feels like they need ro follow Marvel and have all these interconnected stories when you don't. Get your main players out there first and then have that big crossover later when they're established. That's what made the first Avengers so good IMO.

[@BradyHargettOffical]

If Guardians didn't already Peacemaker showed that James Gunn can take the D-ist of D list characters and make them a compelling excellent story with them. I think that DC has tarnished their big characters a bit with the past 10-15 years and propping up some interesting but lesser-known characters is a very smart move. As far as Booster Gold I'd love if they could get Vince Gilligan for it, I think there is a lot of potential for Booster Gold to be funny but also a great character study.

[@cBe9999]

24:42 - well, we already know James Gunn's got nards.

[@HalE14]

A lot of these ideas actually sound pretty interesting! The only idea I am VERY skeptical about is the voice-acting (I have a friend in the industry so this might be why I have these thoughts). I feel like this takes away jobs from people who’s life work is voice-acting! I can see that he’s using that as a way to sell people on the animated stuff but I guess I just don’t think it’s fair. Truth is, I think the exact same audience as before is gonna show up for the animated stuff. Americans either love the medium or they don’t and no amount of voice power is really gonna get them in the seats. Too many people view animation as either for kids or just childish. If Gunn and Saffron prove me wrong, I’ll be impressed!

[@MsZeeZed]

MCU did not used A-listers to make D-list charters popular, instead A-casting the D-list & made some good movies. Its really that simple.

[@smithsb]

If we are getting Wildstorm films then please throw Helspont into a movie.

[@bobthegrinch]

There are things I'm really excited to see. I love that they seem to be taking inspiration from Grant Morrison for Superman and Batman. One of the things that got me excited about Man of Steel was the use of dialogue from All Star Superman in the trailer fooling me into thinking they were going to be taking tonal inspiration from that book. I'm also excited for Swamp Thing if they can see what worked about the recent TV series and deliver something of that quality. I'm not hyped about Booster Gold or The Authority because I don't know much about them, but I have an open mind. The Waller series could be good Viola Davis is great and I liked how Gunn wrote her in The Suicide Squad but it's not a character I have a long standing love and am excited about. But I was the same about Peacemaker and loved it. Themiscyra prequel series I could do without. I don't know if it's just because I haven't read a lot of comics that feature it, or if it's the idea of a 'Game of Thrones style show' set in the DC that doesn't appeal, but unless the reviews are amazing, I'll skip that. Generally I just hope they make good content and set their budgets appropriately so that they can make business sense. I am excited that DC finally have someone in charge who has genuine affection for the comics and what works about them rather than people who seem embarrassed by them and think they know how to change them and make them 'real' or 'edgy'. Although I enjoyed the first two Nolan films, I feel like since Tim Burton they've regularly given their movies to people who don't actually have any interest in the comics.

[@solidsnake3962]

How has Gunn proven himself a bigger fan of the comics than Snyder? As much as I love peacemaker and suicide squad nobody was comic accurate in it. I think Snyder is a fan of late 80s 90s comics after crisis.

[@bobthegrinch]

@@solidsnake3962 It's more the tone and spirit of the characters than being slavishly faithful to the events of comics. Snyder was always banging on about he'd made Superman more "real" or explaining why Batman was a murderer. He couldn't even keep the alien squid in Watchmen (which the HBO series managed to reference without it feeling silly). There's no way Snyder would've included Starro for example and Gunn managed to make The Suicide Squad feel more like a recognisable adaptation of DC comics despite it having to work as a follow up to the original which was firmly in the Snyderverse. That's not to say he didn't make changes to characters, but it's not like he took liberties with the nature of their characterisation or fundamentally changed the philosophy of major characters.

[@solidsnake3962]

@@bobthegrinch when I rewatch Snyders movies they are a comic put to screen. I only had a few comics with peacemaker in them but in those comics he wasn’t anything like what we got on screen(which worked great) Tim Burtons Batman killed a ridiculous amount of people. Superman killed Zodd in Reeves movies. Just even off of the filmmakers resume Snyder did 300 when Gunn made Slither(nothing wrong with slither) it wasn’t until guardians of the galaxy that Gunn was even known. Gunn has shown me that he is really good at taking obscure characters and bringing them to the big screen. In no way has he shown me that he’s a super fan of the comics or that he has a better track record then Snyder. I am not a toxic Snyder fan I just don’t understand this narrative that Gunn is a “true fan” of the comics. If anything with Gunn I feel he would want to deconstruct these characters way more than Snyder based on his past movies and his upcoming projects.

[@bobthegrinch]

@@solidsnake3962 I knew Gunn before Guardisns having seen Slither at the cinema and Super on DVD, but yeah, if you think Snyder made good comic book films I'm not trying to change your mind just because I hate them and think his interpretation of Batman & Superman were horrendous. I followed James Gunn on twitter when I had an account and he's always displayed himself to be knowledgeable and interested in comics so I think he has more respect and understanding of the characters. But obviously you're entitled to disagree.

[@solidsnake3962]

@@bobthegrinch for me I like both directors. Visually for comic movies I like Snyder more. I think Gunn will have a better story per each movie but as a whole I am not nearly as interested in as I was the snydervese especially after the Snyder cut. We were so close to darkseid and just off the wall comic stuff. I do prefer Superman from the 90’s(death of Superman and after) not much the golden era Superman, same with Batman. Like I said I just think Snyder was/is a fan of late 80’s 90’s comics.

[@Smallgirl24]

Hi Dan! I don’t know if you’ve had the chance to watch an episode of Superman and Lois but I think Tyler Hoechlin really captures the Christopher Reeve charm you were talking about without coming off as cheesy. So I think it would be feasible for sure.

[@anthonystewart3915]

Post-presentation I’m actually excited for mainline DC movies for the first time in years

[@kingofthesharks]

26:38 You could say the Gunn got those fans...triggered

[@hiphopvid8]

Never knew what I felt about Gyllenhaal as Batman, but it makes sense here

[@danielwright3929]

Gyllenhaal would be perfect for this version of Batman. I can see him getting stressed and losing his shit struggling to rein in his psychopathic son.

[@djmileski]

Alternative, well said

[@Maximo_ari]

2025 gonna be a good year for Box Office. - Superman Legacy - Batman Part II - Fantastic 4 - Avengers: Kang Dynasty - Possible Star Wars Movie

[@deanlewis6109]

Do you think it's risky announcing Supergirl before seeing how well Superman does? I feel like this whole house of cards could come tumbling down as soon as something underperforms and WB start doing their whole reactionary bit again.

[@cedarandsound]

Swamp Thing has been the one DCU property I've always wanted to see done well.

[@MrHanbam]

32:20 WAS THAT A YOUNG JUSTICE REFERENCE DAN!

[@crudleydrawn]

If America can’t fall in love with midnighter and Apollo’s love then there truly is no hope. I’m so hyped for the authority to be included in these movies

[@UncleKeith567]

IKR!

[@LikeGod_ButBetterLooking]

@Sup why? What is the issue with their love story? As someone that has no idea who these characters are, why on earth would people liking a love story mean there is no hope? Is it an abusive relationship like Harlie and Joker?

[@anthonyfrank7655]

The Authority is a NC-17 version of the Justice League. Seems weird to have them with interaction with the Justice League. A bit like Watchmen but even darker.

[@UncleKeith567]

The Authority!!!!! Oh My Eefing Gee!!!! Apollo & Midnighter (swoon). Pass me the smelling salts!!! I AM HERE FOR IT!!

[@sublind4225]

I've seen multiple people on KZbin talking about these plans and I'm starting to think that I am the only person that is excited for creature commandos 😅

[@StorytellerStudios]

They're taking risks but his track record is good. Other than Batman, recent DC Comic sales are tanking which is an interesting headwind. I agree that casting, as always, will be crucial. I think the problems with Ezra Miller are not going away and will be another difficult obstacle to overcome. Regarding lesser known characters, Guardians of The Galaxy proves Gunn can do it!

[@FakeFriendsForever]

It’s been 11 months since Ezra was in trouble with the police. I think it’s safe to say that he’s gonna be okay from now on. He’s getting help

[@brianng8350]

The Suicide Squad was a fun movie, but it was a box office flop.

[@ronniemontero7110]

tanking? Supergirl comic was sold out in Amazon just hours after the DCU announcement and now they're back in stock.

[@MrBrock314]

@@FakeFriendsForever He might be getting help but he ain't coming back.

[@DocEonChannel]

The Authority is a big swing if it's anything like the original story. Haven't read the one where they meet Superman, so not sure how they tried to integrate it into DC.

[@jameszetterman4487]

I am sort of incredulous that the same conglomerate that released the Velma show judged anything as too bad to release.

[@luckyday8522]

Excited for what’s to come!

[@MrTwessel30]

Dan is a St Louis Cardinals fan?! Let's gooo